The Group Chat Episode 24: A Family Matter

member of the group chat. Matt drops the line that I don't think could have been delivered any better in the moment, The line was, um, are we not going back to the hotel? It was more of a whisperer. We have those things and so much more. On this week's the group chat, You've been added to the group chat with your friends Caroline, can Max Sensen, and Will Brian. Here at the group chat, we're a family. We feel that right everyone here we agree we're a family. Faking

the head. Yeah, we're a family here, and in a family, sometimes you have to deal with family matters, which means embarrassing a member of the family. Normally, I feel like I do a good job of embarrassing myself with some segments, so I don't feel bad when I turned that embarrassment. I'm a member of the family. And today we have a great story about producer Matt. Yeah, not about me

or Wills. It's definitely not about me. We have a great story anyone out there that has had something happened, maybe in the first year or the first moment of a job, and you just it just went wrong, everything went wrong. We have a moment like this for our dear, sweet producer Matt, who already has the microphone in front of his face so ready too. He can't defend himself, so I think, maybe just clean up the story. So

here we go. We're in Atlanta. Everyone, We are on our way back from Atlanta, and this is Matt's first time traveling with the team, but he has been told about the procedures of this process. And one of the biggest things that maybe people don't understand and don't know is that immediately following the game, I'm talking fifty nine minutes after that game ends, the buses pull out of the stadium and they go directly to the airport where you board a plane and you come right back home

to sleep in your own bed that night. Now, one thing I want to make sure we clarify. Did Matt, had you ever been told that and it just slipped your mind? Or he had been told it had been made very clear that that this process. I think that's like I think David took me aside like two or three days. My boss took me aside two or three days before we left and was like, this is what's going to happen before, during, and after. Because I was immediately going to point the finger at David and be like,

how did nobody tell him? David is the most thorough in prepared person. Sound like David. I wish he would. I wish he was listening right now. He's sitting in the room, but he's not listening to this. I wish he was. So but you were told multiple time, multiple times. Okay, okay, good, Yes,

So Matt knows of this process. And I I feel so privileged to have been sitting in the seat behind him on the bus going to the airport and d L David, this boss that we speak of, is sitting across from Matt and there's there's no one else really around us. That was about it. And you know, when you pull up to an airport or you know that you're at an airport because of the signs that are on the runway, so it will be like a random or you see the planes. What sparked this is because

it's it's nighttime. What sparked his mind to think, oh god, we're not where I think we are is there's the signs. I say, like am dash like letting the pilots know where they are and how they're going, and you see the runway lights. Matt drops a line that I don't think could have been delivered any better. In the moment, the line was, um, are we not going back to the hotel? It was more of a whisper because you weren't saying that's anyone in particular. You're just da, He's

the only one I trust. Because Caroline was sitting right behind me, and I knew I knew she was going to laugh at me. You could definitely not trust Caroline in that moment. Yeah, So I was just I was like, yes, we're not going to the hotel, right, and and David was like no, Now, you have probably been worrying about that for a while before saying that, right, because you had to realize that suddenly we were leaving downtown Atlanta.

The hotel is not this direction. Well, you guys are used to the just incredible pace that everyone's on, and I am like, I think I'm the only person on the trip who isn't a full time employee. So I'm like the bottom of the food change is not knowing what's going on. I've never been to the stadium as a fan before. I've never like it was. I hadn't been to Atlanta a couple of years. It was crazy. So We're moving really fast to get out of there, and I'm just eating my barbecue because they give you

this thing a barbecue. It was really good, by the way, So I was just I should have just noticed that everyone all day had both bags and I only had one. That was I guess because I had one bag, people didn't ask like, hey, where's your bag? But yeah, I if it was one of those was one of those things where if I had just taken three seconds to been like, Okay, we're leaving very fast and very quick after the game, I should have my bags. But I did ask two people, and the fact that I can't

remember who it is doesn't help my case. But I did ask two people, and I think I asked the only two people of them, and one of them was the only person that was actually going back to the hotel. So out of the I think we travel with around a hundred and twenty, maybe a hundred people, but a hundred people. He asked the one person that was going back to that And what did you ask that person? I said, we're coming. This was in the morning, before

we had left for the stadium. I said, we're coming back to the hotel, right, And I think they thought I was asking if they were coming back to the hotel, which for them the answer was yes, and for me it was definitely not. That's a really tough break. I mean, I think the question is who was the second person? Yeah, I don't know. The first person was Harold. I'm pretty sure when Harold was staying behind, he actually thank you, Harold. I don't think he listens to this, but he did.

He didn't. I don't think he listens any of the podcast, but I do appreciate what he's bringing back my bag. So he's not rude. Well, it gets better, it gets better. So not only does he realize he doesn't have his bag, the next sentence out of his mouth is I have nothing. And that's when I realized how hilarious this story was about to become. Because d L is very much a handle it yourself kind of person. He's going to task you with something like these podcasts. He wants you to

make it great. But then he's going to leave it up to us of what we want this podcast to be about. So he puts it on. Matt called the hotel. Call the hotel and Sue, see what see what you can do? So it isn't very much. Here are the consequences of your actions. So Matt's on the phone. Everyone is just you know, it is a very fast paced process. So you get off the buses, you immediately bore the plane and maybe in twenty minutes your airborne. So he's

on the phone with this hotel. Now think about when you leave the hotel room and you think you're coming back. Is your backpacked? Absolutely not. Your stuff was every everywhere, is in the bathroom, is in the hallway. Chip to the SEC Championship game, which I just gonna say it wasn't the best set up for this. Do you feel good when you woke up on Sunday morning, actually yesterday when I got to the office Mick. Mick was like, I'm not a doctor, but if I was a betting man,

I'd say you were a little hungover. And of course I was like no, no, no, But he he had a great weekend that really benefited more than just him because of this story. So I think you missed the best part though. I don't think I told you. When I was on the plane, I was like on the phone and they didn't believe it was me because apparently we didn't check out until the next day like on paper. But they were like, this isn't the real Matt Hogan. You're still here at the hotel. And I was like, no,

this is me. So they had like fight them to get Harold access to my room. They thought I was like faking. Yeah, it is a great moment in this story. It's a long story short. He ends up having to call the hotel and asked him to pack his bag. Yeah, you have to go in there and pack the bag, because I did in everything is everywhere. And then did you get your things? How did this end? Because I lost interest after I found out what really happened. I'm

sure you got your things correct. I did get my things. They would not go in my room because of I hadn't checked out yet, so Harold had to go in there and pick up my dirty clothes and put them in my bag. And I left my keys and my medicine, like I left just everything I needed except for my laptop in a hoodie which was my back. Oh, this is brutal, dead and it was just it was more so embarrassing. That's happened to me before. I have left bags places the first time on a trip like this. Absolutely,

but like I've left things. I I lose my wallet and keys every day, so I lose things all the time. I'm very unorganized. An entire suitcase or have you left it out? I wouldn't rule it out. Wow, it's possible, Max. Would you have packed my bags in that situation? I mean, and you would be you would never hear the end of it, obviously. Yeah. I think I would have put your suitcase somewhere obscure getting back. There's no way I would have just walked in this room and given you

the suitcase. No way I would have put it. Yeah, I would have put it somewhere where it was. The embarrassment would have continued for you to have to go get your bad You've lost your wallet multiple times, multiple times. This is like my ninth wallet in the last You have to cancel all your cards and all of that. Yeah, I have a spare license in my center console in my car, just like in drive. Still that's my anxiety to think about all the stuff you'd have to do

to replace. Oh my god. Yeah, you live a crazy life, man. It's it's a radical way to live. But it's weird because I'm not disorganized with like my work or anything else. But when it comes to like my personal items or like my apartment, it's it's pretty rough. Your apartment is not a clean place. It is now. But when I had a roommate that was also a man that was not your fiance has elevated. She does a very good job. Good good job finding someone that would elevate. Uh yeah,

but that that's that's producer Matt for you. Right there. He left his bag in Atlanta. Now, the good news about all of this, and what makes it so funny is that there's a happy ending and that it wasn't that big of a deal. It was just pure embarrassment for Matt as he sat on this plane thinking could this have been worse. All I want to know is do you think I will get another invite for a trip not this season? By not going to Indie. I don't think you're gonna get on that one. I don't know.

We'll talk about it, And by we, I mean, well talk about it. You're saving grace? Is that it is? It just affects you. It's not like you relate to the bus or anything like. If you do anything so I hold the team up, then you're in trouble. I was perfectly at the time. But yeah, this is just you and Harold. I mean, those are the only characters the story may need to talk to Harold to make the decision if you're going again, so you better be in good graces. Does Harold get a thank you card

or thank you? I had to do something getting something from you, man. We got to do something for him. And at least although you were not alone, you were not alone this weekend in in the not so. I guess suitcases were involved in this, but didn't. Was it the Chiefs? The Chiefs equipment went to the wrong city, Yeah, to the wrong went to New Jersey. Yeah, I went to New Jersey. They actually had a time cut off where they had to get into the stadium or they

would have had to forfeit the game. So thank goodness. Yeah, forty minutes forty minutes into the flight, it was just dead quiet, and I'm just stewing an embarrassment. And then I get a text from Caroline and it just it's a picture of the tweet of the Kansas City Chiefs and he was like, you're not or she was like, you're not the only one who the bag. I couldn't help, but I was just trying to make him feel better, because we all know how that feels when you've done

something and you're wondering, is everyone mad at me? Oh? I thought everybody was mad. No one was mad. I was. I was sitting next to Matt in the plane, and you look pretty content. I mean, in came the first of course of food, ice cream bar. Then came yeah, he seems like he was trying. He was eating all that stuff, and I said, Max thinks I am a pig.

He looks like a guy who'd been on his first road trip, you know, because like when you're first on the team plane, it's like, oh my god, there's a lot of food, Like I can take hog does ice cream. I can take this candy bar, I can take chips, like all the grapes, And he looked like like a kid who was like, I'm not going to say not any of this because that might have been your only one, but do you say you might as well get everything

you can? All the food? The whole weekend was great and they were like, would you like flame Mignon and I was like, wow, yeah, and they brought it and it was like microwavable still airplane. Yeah, but I didn't know. I assumed it was assuming that Ruth Chris was catering like steak and chicken at breakfast, like it was crazy. Oh yeah, that the breakfast is oh I would love. What was your favorite part of this first time traveling

with the team. What was your favorite part of the experience Now that we've steak and chicken to breakfast, obviously it was pretty good. Um, I don't know. I just really enjoyed the stadium and being on the sidelines. Borrowing your phone charger because before I left Atlanta, so um a charger to he didn't even that didn't even make it to it. Oh my god. I had to borrow one from Mick and then I had to borrow one Caroline man, so I was, I don't know. She can only go up from here, l s u one. He's

a happy man. It can only go up from here, Matt. If I get an invite back, I think I'll be prepared next time. Oh man, that's just phenomenal. Well, I'm glad we got that out of the way. Thanks for the feature. You're welcome. It all works out, Matt. Congratulations on completing your first trip with the team. Um, and let us know if you get the fight back. We

can't wait for it. But for this podcast, we are going to talk some football, not just embarrassed Matt for an entire forty minutes and talking football right now for the Carolina Panthers. Where do we rank this on enjoyable things to do? Just as as a collective group, there are plenty of topics to talk about, but as far as enjoyable, what this talking about? It is just talking about Panther football right now? Where's the where the excitement? Excitement? Well,

you guys, the excitement. I mean if you were you were in the stadium in Atlanta Sunday, Um, yeah, it was. It was not exactly a sizzling electric atmosphere. Well, what did you think of from from watching the broadcast version? Did you feel the energy? Yeah, it was there. There is a level of conversation here in the in the Sunday crew as we call it. You're in the stadium um in Bank of America Stadium as we're watching the game, and it got increasingly quiet after a couple of plays.

That sounds about the same as it was in the stadium me, Mercedes Benz, it's not the most exciting football right now to watch. We'll be honest with you. We're going to keep it real on the group chat. But this leads to the conversation of what does this team do? And Perry Fuel was asked this week how do you balance the evaluating young players and looking ahead to and still having to win football games. I think that is the topic of conversation for the next three weeks for

this football team. You're not going to the playoffs. There's a lot of guys that are up for contracts, big players on this team, and they're upper contracts after this season. You're doing this whole new regime of you know, Ron River for the past nine years now, Perry Fuel is getting his shot, Scott Turner is getting his shot. Interviews and conversations are being had away from that coaching staff

with David Tepper of finding this new head coach. So then you get into how do you evaluate the talent you have first trying to win games? Because there is a fine line there and I thought what Perry said it was nice. It's a little bit of both, and I think that's why we saw Zilstra in the game late in the game, Um, you know Dorge being back at kick return and point return. I think that was also an experiment there. So there's a lot going on.

But one thing that is exciting is puns. I think we can all get excited about a good pun and Perry fuel come on, like fuel up. We already jumped on that one early. We jumped on the fuel up early. So for the exciting segment of this podcast, we're doing Perry Fuel puns. Go ahead, who's going first? I want to hear Will's Will is excited about his Well. So here's the thing you guys each week, and we've we've

heard y'all, sorry y'all on the podcast. We've heard about y'all's epic rant from Max A couple of weeks back about you know, kind of in the max mentions on on Twitter, you know, Carolines. You know, we we've we've gone into some of the things Caroline's experienced on the Twitter. So this week I got to experience a little bit of that on my Twitter. Panthers panther stat guy, um, and I have to say that for all of the barbs, for all of the attacks put on me, Barbara, there

could have been a barb. Yeah, all yeah, all of those, all those stinging attacks on me. I thought that I did a pretty good job and i'mna continue to do that job here on the podcast of parrying the attacks quite well. Mm hmm, oh my god, oh god. Honestly I missed it. So maybe it was such a good pie and that I didn't catch us it was such a terrible I'm not sure what that means perry to ward off a weapon or attack with a counter move Perry. So that's not really a pun, just using it in

a sentence. Well, it's it's the it's the name, but used differently. It's the same. Well it's spelled different. Yeah, so it's a different word completely, but it sounds the same. It's a hominem. I want to know why now you're you're under attack again. I want to know why you were under attack in the first place. All right, here's the original, the premise of what I was trying to get to about football. So I was tweeting about some

Christian stats, your favorite thing to do. I mean, it's it's easy, and got a lot of attacks, especially after um a certain Twitter account retweeted me about, um, get him out of the game. Why is he in there? He should not play another down for the rest of this season. Why is he playing at all? Like, you know, sit him down, take his pads off, get him out.

And this is Christian who didn't you know, obviously didn't score, didn't have no one really had a great day offensively, fourth quarter with three minutes left, you have the ball. He's trucking people on the side, angry runs, you know, and certainly there's a there's a level to be you know, to be careful and to make sure you're not putting yourself out there. But he's a competitor, he's a football player, you know, he should be angry about the way that

that game and this season is going. He should want to show that you know, he still has some competitive fire in him. I we were listening to the Jake and Jordan podcast from last week, and one of the things Jake said was when John Fox took over the one and fifteen team, one of the first things he did was looked at the last game of the year from the year before and saw who was still fighting, like, who was still trying, who still wanted to to prove

something to themselves and their teammates into the fans. And I think that Christian obviously is still doing that. I think the number of players on this team that are still doing that, and I I want to say, I mean week sevent team, We'll see the next two weeks. Yeah, he should go out there and ball out and do his best. All these guys should. Yeah, And I mean, look, Christian is putting together a pretty spectacular season. You know, I think he wants to finish it the right way.

I mean, this is a team sport, but individually, Christians got goals, He's got aspirations, and yeah, you better believe he's going to continue to go after that. If we know one thing about Christian, every time he's on the football field, he's trying to make a count, and I think that's I was now on the sideline at this point, sitting next to Caroline. The game is decieted, and I'm just waiting for it to end and get in the

locker room for interviews. And I mean I was, I was right there on the sideline when he trucks that dude. And I mean just the way he got in his face afterwards. I mean, I think that's a way of Christian leading there. It's very easy for guys right now to kind of just, you know, this cliche goes pack it in, um, But when christ McCaffrey's doing that, if

I'm fighting for my job, are we doing that? If if one of the guy who's playing at MVP level is playing like that, and I think that's kind of a way that he can lead without being a raw ra guy. The talk is over at this point. It's who's going to go out there and do it at this point, right And you can count a Christian. I think he's definitely doing an all offensive side of the ball.

On the defensive side, Luke Keikley was still pressing Matt Ryan to take a time out late in the game because of a coverage that he switched to and I think that's that's what you're talking about. Of Yeah, you can't say anything at this point. This team is not going to the playoffs. It's going to The team is going to look very different next year as far as his team makeup, and obviously the head coach and the

coaches that are in that locker room. Change is coming and they're going to have to start playing for their jobs and paying for their security. And I still go back to I think in this entire process of coaching change and culture change here, I go back to a quote that Ron Rivera said in his media car wash farewell deal that he did last week, and he was asked, what's something that you regret, and he says, not having the time or not re introducing the culture that he

did when he first got here. And then the fact that there are four I believe they said, four guys on this team still on the team from when he took over. So that culture that was so important to his reign here and his run here is gone and you have four guys that remember what that culture is like. That is what you're seeing play out now. You're seeing

a different culture than what you know. The Ron rivera era was in the early years that he was here, and now you have the Christian McCaffrey and the Luke Keithley and the Greg Olsen and those guys that get it, that were there for it and then heard about it, or you know, Christian, this is who he's been. If you talk to any of his coaches from college this that's just always working hard, hard to pull back the reins.

So I just think that's what you're seeing so obvious, and what we're going to see so obvious in these last weeks is who's going to jump on this culture train train that is coming for this ORGANIZGM Yeah, and and who should be left behind? I think that's what're trying to find. You find out a lot about people when they go through something like this, and I think that's kind of a Christian Luke. These guys are kind of looking around the locker room and it's like, Okay,

who's with me? Who's gonna be And you know, you saw Shaq Thompson rewarded with a four year contract extension. The Panthers believe he's a guy that is a core piece they can build around that they're trying to figure out who's going to be along for this ride as they go through the next chapter of Panthers football. And I mean that's gonna lead to some tough conversations. And you know, I think, Caroline, the earlier point you made about Perry saying young guys versus trying to win games,

I mean, like Perry doesn't have a choice. Perry's gotta when. I mean, Parry has got no guarantee who'll be here, you know, like this is his opportunity. It's not like he can play the young guys, watch them develop, and then suddenly they're like the fruits of that labor next year. Paris got no guarantee he'll be here. The entire coaching staff is in that boat. So I mean, these guys

are trying to win games. From a player's standpoint, it's is the locker room and this is this is my pun is does this team have any fuel left in the tank? And I don't. I don't. We're gonna find the answer to that question these next few weeks. But in Atlanta and Perry came out and said this yesterday, Um, it was bad football. It was bad I mean this, and the score said this, you know, told story Um. So it's one thing to have a few leaders who

are still out there kind of busting their tail. But this is a team game, and if you don't have eleven guys doing it, it's gonna look like it did Sunday. Um. And so that's that's the situation this team is in. Is again Jerald McCoy talked about in the locker room, not gonna tuck our tails. We're not gonna pack it in. You got to move on to Seattle and we'll find out, I mean, we'll find out if this team is going to continue to fight for Perry, for this coaching staff,

and if they're gonna you know, snap this losing skit. Otherwise, this is looking, unfortunately, a lot like last year did where it was, you know, a slide that never stopped. Um. Obviously, they've had a tough challenge this week with a Seattle team coming in that's playing for more than just pride. Yeah, my pun is fuel up the young guys. I'm on this train of you have to see what the talent on this team is made up of. But this doesn't

necessarily mean that you're trading out players. I'm on the school of thought that I don't think Will Greer should see a snap this season. I I think you would open him up to failure if he's put in that situation. And I think Kyle is still a young guy. I think he still has a lot of room where he can improve. He understands what this offense is trying to do because he's been out there this season doing it. I just don't know if I want to see Will Greer go in there and be put in this situation.

So I think Kyle is in that young guy. I still think the Curtis Samuel is in that young guy, and you saw him get a handoff earlier in game. I think those are the moments that I want to see, not so much, you know, the zilstra is needing to get in there, or these young practice squad guys. I don't want to see them pulled up and given a chance. There's a reason that the guys that are on the

roster are on the roster. I want to see j Botafan maybe get more involved, maybe even see if there is a practice squad guy and maybe it's Allijah holy Field, to see what put you know, pull that guy up and see what he can do. But I think that's what this team ask, did you over these next few weeks? But that puts Perry fuel in this coaching staff in an interesting dynamic of Perry even said it, If those

work out, they're all geniuses. If it doesn't work out, they're a terrible coaching staff, and that you know, he said something along those lines in the press conference, and he's right. But I almost what do you have to lose at this point? If you're Perry fueling this coaching staff, they're already on the hot seat. Normally, what happens with coaching staffs. We know if the head coach goes, there's

many many to follow. So I think right now you have to show that you can coach, and why not get a young guy involved and show that you're willing to take the risk and and that you've coached him up to be successful. That's why I want to see in these last three games because of who you're playing too, it's Seattle. This is the game though that when we looked at the last four games of this season, this is the one we have no business winning, but for

some reason we might win. Like these these are the games that completely shake up the NFL because They're all talented players out there, it's just the team that's working the best together. This is the game that we have no business. But I mean, look, they just a few weeks ago they were down in New Orleans and had that Saints teams on the ropes. My question that I'm gonna, I'm winning to see this team answer is it did

that loss take it out of them? You know that that seemed like one of where it was like that was that just all of the air went out of the balloon in that one, just because of how gut wrenching it was. Um, they haven't. They haven't been able to quote unquote bounce back from that. And maybe they will against Seattle and put together another really good performance

against a playoff bound team. But that Saints game and in the locker room afterwards, I think we said it on the show, it felt like a playoff loss, Like it felt like it it ended there because they had given really everything. They had suffered some major injuries throughout the course of that game and to still come out with a loss. Here we are a few weeks later

and things have kind of gone downhill from there. So that's what I'm waiting to see is there an uptick coming or will that Saints game proved to have been the one that was kind of the nail in this team's coffin. And I think a lot of has been made of the you know, backed up on the seven, send all your blitz and and you see saw what

happened there in Atlanta. But I think that type of attitude is the attitude that this team has to have going into the rest of this season, just because you haven't seen that, and that that mindset of we can get to this quarterback before he makes a play on us is something I think this this is the the over the fence moment for this team, if you and get a couple of guys to do that. I think that's where Perry Fuel was saying. If we pull it off,

we're a genius. If it goes wrong, we're terrible. And I think that's honestly, that was the most telling thing I think Perry Fuel has said so far is we're aware, we know we're talking in these meetings of how do we make a moment in these last few weeks to show what kind of coaching staff we are, the type of players that we think we have. Now that one

could not have gone worse for them. Yeah, that the play, the comments made after everything was terrible, But I think those are the moments that I want to see this team fuel up on moments like that, fuel up these young guys, find some type of fire in these last three weeks and win a game that you have no business winning. I think there are two on the schedule that I don't really think you have any business winning.

I think number one is this weekend against the Seahawks, and I think the Saints, depending well, depending on what the Saints have to play there at that point to play for it. But I think those are the two. I get the logic behind what Perry did on that play too. I mean he's trying something, trying to do something to just give this team a spark and welcome to being a head coach. I mean, play goes wrong on you, you're gonna have to stand there and answer

the questions about it and take the accountability. That was a call he made. It completely backfired. Um, But I understand, and I think he should continue these next few weeks to try to do that for this team, try something to clear what what they what they've done clearly for the past five weeks now has not worked. So why not try to inject something different into the equation. And if it means being a little bit more aggressive in a situation, I don't I don't mind that aggressiveness, especially

right now. I think that way what that's what makes this team potentially dangerous for a Seahawks team is they can play that nothing to lose card in some respects and try something different and see if it catches Seattle off guard. I also want to I want to see them not only make those play calls, but then just have those moments where it feels like they're still enjoying playing football that's been gone in Atlanta. Atlanta is what

a four win team? There were three wins coming into the game, and they're out there celebrating the they won the Super Bowl. When their kicker recovers a fumble, Yeah, I mean it was, you know, obviously like the ball bounced to them. It felt like and it's been bouncing away from the Panthers for weeks, it's felt like. But it just feels you know, you want to just go

out there and it's backyard football. Yeah, and I want to beat the guy across from you and I think you you're you're in control of that to a certain degree, right And I think in this league you kind of make your own luck. I mean, Eric Reid drops an interception, Ian Thomas bobbles the ball that ends up being an interception. I mean, you gotta make the plays. If you want to have fun playing the game, you've got to make

the plays and get everybody excited around you. And instead of this team, it's been drops, and it's been blown assignments, and it's been miss blocks, and of course it's going to look kind of sad out there at times instead of what Atlanta was able to enjoy Sunday, which was taking turns making plays. You gotta you gotta make them. And right now this team, I just rattled off a few,

they're not so we need the fuel. Give us some fuel injected into the veins of the Carolina Panthers for these last few weeks, and give Matt some fuel to stop losing stuff. Matt, we hope you enjoyed this podcast. We will be back next week after hopefully talking about a game that even the the Panthers may not I'm just feeling I don't know if it will be a win but I feel like we will be still in the fourth quarter with something to play for a win,

not the playoffs, but a win. I just I just have this weird feeling something has to turn for this team, and a team that has nothing to lose is a dangerous team. That's what I feel like it's happening to the Carolina Panthers. They have nothing to lose. I think when they got a new interim head coach, there was still this sense of, oh, we can like prove that. You know, we're gonna play we heard it, We're gonna play for wrong, We're gonna play for ourselves. That didn't work,

so now they literally have nothing. Everyone is expecting them to go out, I believe, to go out and not have a good performance, and they're just gonna run through these last three games and everyone's on and all these things. I think that is the exact Unfortunately, that's the exact motivation that some of these guys needed on this team. Please prove me right, because I just feel like it's gonna be a good one. I guess the Seahawks to

you guys, don't look like you agree. Will has a look on his face that just thinks you're an idiot. I don't think you're an idiot. You're an idiot. I think I think Sunday will I think Sunday will tell us some things. I think Sunday will tell us something that's profound interesting. Guys, thanks for listening to the group chat. We will be back next week. Wo