Happy Half Hour Episode 75: Team Baker

Happy half Hour with your friends. Kristen Balboni, Will Brian and Darren Gant. Good Morning NFL Week one regular season. I'm your host, Adrian cron Hour. No I'm not. I'm Darren Gant. And that's a dated pop culture reference that nobody in this room gets. I didn't get it. I'm sorry. Go look it up later. Kids, It'll be funny then. Um, it is the Happy half Hour. We are thirty three

percent less happy today Kristin Balboni's own special assignment. But I'm here, and Augusta Stone is here and oh look the bad an he turned up again. It's Will. I don't get that reference either things that turn up often. Ah, there it is here, I am man. We'll come back. We're off to a roar and Starry Will Brian's here. Everybody, Panthers Stats guy. It's it's it's nice, it's been it's been good listening to AUGUSTA fill In. I mean it.

You know, we have real reporters in this room now, more than just the guy that you know hits buttons on a website and says, lou look at me, I have a stat I'd say the numbers thing you do is quite it's quite real reporting. Honestly, it's at that customer reporting because you know the journalists hate math thing. You know you got that going. They're not good at math. I will tell you that fin in fact about me.

I can tell you this without any hesitation. Um, this website don't get put out if it's not for Will Brian. I can write stories all day long. The the greater website and app product that so many of you people enjoy it, Panthers dot Com and the Panthers I am would not be the same without this guy. So um that being sad, That's about as nice as I'm gonna be to you today. It's week one? Is it? Isn't it? Weird?

Am I the only one that's in a in a kind of funny headspace because it's like we're spinning a hundred miles an hour all preseason building up to the thing, and now that the things here, I'm unusually calm because we're in a good spot. Our plan has now carried through to its logical conclusion. The game is here. We've written some of the stories. More of the stories are coming uh this week on Panthers dot com about all the stuff you want to read, but it's it's like tangible.

Now there is a team that a lot of people are interested in coming here with a quarterback that everyone's interested in. My wife included NC State grad and Howard Brian loves her some Jacoby Brissette. She's been following his career all through the cults now with the Browns. Very excited to see him. Oh wait, is that what we're talking about. That's Kobe Brissette. Yeah, everybody's fired up about Jacoby.

Ber said, I actually kind of thought about setting up this podcast and and seeing if we could do a Baker free podcast. The answer is no, we will not do a Baker Free podcast, because it's Baker Mayfield Week. Everybody, it's the thing. And you know, yesterday he has a press conference and you know who says the things he planned to say, and he's not gonna light any fires Baker's and his best behavior. But here's what we know for sure, Baker Mayfield would enjoy beating his previous employer.

This is a common motivational ploy used by football players, but especially this guy, and it's it's kind of funny, and it's against what we are conditioned to expect because Baker's not up here frothing at the mouth, you know, screaming like lunatic, planting flags, doing all those things before the game. Is he gonna do anything after the game. I don't know. That's why we've watched, just to see what's gonna happen. But he has been from markably restrained

all week. I mean, you were sitting there yesterday. I mean, it's funny to me how he's running against type. It's he knows what everybody's expecting and he's just blatantly refusing to play along. Right now, It's kind of hilarious because in a way, is that not more interesting than like what you'd expect, you know what I mean, like when he's up there and he's all buttoned up and yesterday, I mean, one of the juiciest, most interesting things he said about the Browns is that he wanted it wanted

to hug from Nick Chubb more than anything. Nicholas Chubb. That's what he said. That's what he closed off with. He was like, I want a big hug, he saiduld be a great gift, a big hug from Nicholas Chubb.

But it's like when you say, like Baker on his best behavior, this is like Baker like going to his grandmother's house, you know, letting a crochet something for him, and it's he's just he's it's it's kind of it's kind of funny against the grain in a way where it's like, I don't know, I think I think it's fascinating because everyone's waiting on to see, you know, feeling dangerous, all this hype and he's just he's not giving it to the media at all, and I kind of love

it in a way. He also made a comment about how he's not here to make T shirts, which I think was a dig just at Darren. As we know, Darren is pretty much just here to make and give out T shirts to his friends. That's very true. That's true. Do you have a friend of the mail Bag T shirt? I do. Do you have a friend of the Maile Okay, then that's you know. And I don't want to hear anything about my T shirt, so almost, but you know, and Team Baker has a T shirt of their own.

And you know, he kind of laughed about the subliminal messages, but that one's right up there in everybody's face. I mean, it's the low hanging fruit this week. It's the thing that's going to bring national attention to this game. Um Oddly enough, the NFL schedules certain things certain ways. Now this schedule came out months before Baker Mayfield landed here, but this was gonna be interesting one way or another.

And I just there's so much about this game that in the non Baker category, and that's kind of wanted. What I wanted to hit on the day is what is the non Baker thing you're most interested to see? Damian Wilson tell me more. I think this run defense and obviously, you know, there's a lot that has to do with with the guys up front with that defensive line with Derek brown Um with with Burns and need

tour with how they're going to be set up. But yet again there's a new name at middle linebacker ever since Luke Keikley retired that no one really knows. And it's like, who's that guy? I remember when Luke was stopping the run and when TV was out there stopping the run? Who is this guy? And I think Wilson and Corey Littleton and having shock back that group right there, and obviously Frankie Luvu who can make a lot of plays there. There's gonna be a lot of eyes on them.

I would put my eyes on them because this is a very good running team. Cleveland finished what fourth, fifth and in running and rushing last year, Like we we already said it, Nick Chubb, I mean, Kareem Hunt. Those guys are good and can this team stop the run?

Because as much as they talked about the second rank defense last year, a lot of that kind of fell in its face when they really needed to stop and people put the ball on the ground, right, I mean last year, it's so easy and so misleading for them to talk about, oh second rank defense in the NFL because it was Yes, statistically speaking by total yards allowed per game over a seventeen game season, that is correct. But run defense last year was not good, and it

they got caught playing small. They strategically wanted to play fast rather than big, and it worked for a while in the sense that Hassan Reddick and Brian Burns got a bunch of sacks. But once the Dallas game came and went, the book was out on the Carolina Panthers and it was you can line up and punch them in the face, right up the middle, and they are not necessarily equipped to stop you. And and I think that is I mean, you mentioned Damien Wilson. He is

a bigger version of the guy they've plugged in. I mean, you Will's heard me talk a million times. There's not a city in the NFL l other than Chicago that can even compare with the Carolina Panthers lineage of middle linebackers. You go, Sam Mills, Michael Barrow, you know, John Bees and Dan Morgan, Luke keik Ley. I mean, those are

five iconic names right out of the shoot. And for the last couple of years, it's like, Okay, what happens after Luke, there's just been guys, I mean nothing against the here why he had nothing agains Jermaine Carter and Damien Wilson is not one of those guys, but he's a bigger version of tow here and and Jermaine, and I just think that's that was by design. They wanted

to be more solid against the run. So you go get a two fifty pound middle linebacker, you go get big old Henry Anderson, who we haven't heard a lot from yet, but he's just gigantic, and he is a run stopping defensive end who adds a little bit of something that they didn't have. So they've got kind of mix and match parts to try to combat what's obvious obviously a big issue, and Phil snow talk about it today and I'm sure that's going to be one of

the main topics when he hits. But all right, Augusta, what is your non baker being you're most curious to see. I appreciate the emphasis on non baker um. I don't know if this is also a low hanging cruit, but obviously, with ikey A Kwanu having his first Welcome to the League moment, up against Myles Garrett. I mean, I think that's been written and talked about ad nausea, but it's hilarious,

or it's not hilarious, but it's wild, right. I mean, you you come in to the league and it's like, all right, buddy, here you go have fun, have have fun with one of the most intense, uh just defenders in the league. I think it's one of those things where I think Panthers fans should expect growing pains. You shouldn't expect Ikey to come out and and be just

an absolute beast immediately. But I think you know, you wrote about it, and I think it was really well done about him going up against Brian Burns and how that that's helpful. And I was watching him yesterday in practice, you know, going up against Brian Burns, and I mean, they're just gonna get him as many valuable reps there

as he can. And and I mean it's a moment for Icky, even outside of that being the Charlotte guy getting his debut, but it's like, get your debut, have all these emotions, and then also have one of the toughest matchups you're going to have in the league. First game. And I think it'll be interesting to see how he how he shapes up. And I'm not I don't think anyone should go in with these like crazy high expectations. But like also understand that he was six overall for

a reason, So I'm excited to see that. I think that'll be exciting for from reasons off the field. His whole family will be here. He told me he had people here from his from his life in Charlotte. I mean, just getting that moment, but also like on the field, and is Grandma gonna be here? Oh my goodness, I don't know. I don't even know if he knows. I asked him about it. I was like, so, are you all having like, you know, a get together anything like that.

He was he said, I'm not handling any of that. He's like, they'll be here, It'll be great. I'll see him afterwards. My suspicion is the then diagram of people who listen to The Happy half Hour and people who WATCHT Panthers Camp Confidential is a pretty tight circle. I'm guessing there's a strong overlap between our audiences. Grandma Quanta

makes me happy. Grandma a Quantu is the greatest thing that's happened, and just seeing her down in suits watching Ikey's first game and go and go panther, it was the greatest thing. If if you do, if that does not make you happy, you are not a person I want to be friends with. So call him the pancake man.

She doesn't know and I love. Whether it was Kyle or Dan, one of our guys behind the camera had to explain to her that pancaking was the act of picking up a person and putting him flat on the ground. And her reaction was like, oh, you do he did that? He picks him up, And yes, Grandma, that's what he does. She is delightful. That was you know, there was so much good stuff in Camp Confidential this year, but Grandma, a quanta just makes my spirit happy. So it's, uh,

you know, it's gonna be exciting. And that's the thing. If not for that one thing over there, Ikey in his first game would be probably the thing we would be beating into the ground over and over and over. And it's obviously a huge thing because again that's Myles Garrett over there. Play hard kid. Uh, it doesn't get a lot tougher than this. He's gonna see some dudes.

Over the course of this year, he's going to have to get better, and there were some there were some hiccups through the off season in terms of the pass rush and that kind of thing, and and learning how to pass protect at an NFL level. We know he's physical in the run game. We know he's able to dominate people and pick them up and put them on the ground. There you go, grandma, um. But until he gets out there against a Miles Garrett and keeps it from turning into a three four stack game, you know

that's gonna be a question mark. So how Ikey plays is going to be obviously central to this game. What about that other first round pick, the guy that got the red shirt, first round pick, j C. Horn. We will have some more about him coming up this week on Panthers dot Com in his first game back and how he's handling the emotions of it all. But j C is fascinating to me because I just love the fact.

Earlier this week, Matt Rule was sort of talking, you know, stream of consciousness, I think it was on Monday, and he said, we got a lot of veterans on this defense. You know, even though they're young guys who have played a lot of football, like Brian Burns, like Jeremy Chen, like j C. Horne. And I'm like j C. Horne is not a veteran. J C. Horne has not played a lot of football. You just included him with old people. He has played three football games and you know, unfortunately

last season ended because of injury. And it's like one of those things you're almost afraid to talk about because it's like if we don't talk about it, it's not real. Um. But j C just exudes football guy. You know. It's the thing the kids say he has that dog inside of him, you know, or something like that. Um, that's j C. Horne. And he just carries himself as an adult even though he's still really brand new at this.

And it's been kind of interesting watching him this week because he's sort of I think he wants to kind of blend into the woodwork and and let this thing come and go and and be in it. So it started and then everything can be normal again. He Uh, I was looking yesterday. I didn't realize in those three games he only allowed a thirty nine point five NFL passer rating against. I mean, like he had that interception against the Saints, which was a huge, huge moment, then

only allowed one reception. I mean, he's like he was on the way, you know. I mean, yeah, he was on his way to being one of those guys. I mean, I don't want to be the one that coaches jail at for creating high expectations, but every team wants him at Jalen Ramsey, every team wants somebody that you can just put over there in a race half the field, and football coaches hate expectations when they're created outside the building. But j C was on his way to be in

one of those dudes. J C was. I mean, he's in those three games. I think he kind of opened a lot of people's eyes like, oh god, that's what it can look like. And I just think it's a function of him being born to the game. I mean, he grew up in Joe Horne's house. He had those workouts every day, He did all that stuff when he was eight years old that normal eight year olds don't do because they didn't grow up in an NFL household. And he just he's I think because he grew up

in that culture. That's why he seems so natural in it. Now it's just I'm Jacy Horne. I've been here all my life except only three games exactly like you mentioned. I mean, he just has that presence about him, like he's he's out there with like Dante Jackson and Jeremy Chen and he just hangs around him and it feels like he's been here. Like it's hilarious. It's so interesting

to me. It's like, oh, it's a second year because it feels like he was like he's been embedded in these walls forever, like just the way he carries himself. And and I noticed that too, and that rule was like, oh, yeah, the guys have been here three four years, and and like you said, j C. Horn played three games last year. But it's just the guys. The guy's general to use my word vibe, you know what I mean, he just has that that feeling about him. I think he's twenty

one years old. If I'm not mistaken, twenty one or twenty two. He's young. That's crazy. I mean, that's just I just I love it. I love it says younger than me, But yeah, I know it's I don't know, I just I find that so that and like what you said to about him like seeming like he almost wants to like embed himself. He doesn't want to be

a storyline. He's so I'm one of the veteran guys. Yep, love me there, you know, And it's like and I love that he's almost like trying to, like, you know, be like Okay, yeah, j C. Horne, you know, don't don't hype up too much, but how can you not? It's it's it's really tough. So one of the quiet big things that happened in the last two weeks that listeners of this podcast probably picked up on but may

not have fully grasped it, grasp its significance. This is the first time since twenty nine that we've had open locker rooms, and Darren has been around this game a long time knows what happened when we lost that. So I want to pull this up for you guys, what has that been like in the last week or two and describe for people that were like who cares? Like

why does it matter? Right? And just so people know what happens is and it's kind of written into the league rules as part of the media access policy, we're supposed to have three opportunities of about forty five minutes at a shot to go into the locker room to be able to interview players in their natural environment. I know, when we start talking about open locker rooms, everybody thinks it's weird and you guys want to go in while they're trying to take a shot. That's not it. Guys

are in there. It's during the lunch period after practice is when it usually happens. So guys are checking their messages on their phone, they're relaxing. Some people are playing ping pong on one end of the him. It's kind of that break between YAH practice and meetings later in the afternoon while they're changing gears and everybody is just getting a chance to rest and recharge a second, and we can go up to guys. We can get them one on one. A lot of times there's group interviews.

Christian was talking yesterday. Christian draws a crowd. Dante Jackson draws a crowd. But you can also stop and talk to somebody on a one on one basis and actually get to know someone. You can learn about what they're thinking about a particular topic beyond the fifteen second SoundBite that TV cameras might want to keep it moving. I mean, there's certain people that walk in the locker room and all they want to know is, Okay, I'm writing a

story about Cleveland's run games. Say everything about Cleveland's run game, and then they keep moving. But if you're in that setting, in a more comfortable setting, you can actually find things out that are interesting to me if they're instant. Yesterday I started talking to Eddie Pinera, and Eddie Eddie say, as he's fine. Eddie's name popped up on the injury report.

He says he's okay. Hopefully he is um. But I started talking to Johnny Hecker, the holder and J. J. Jansen, the snapper, and it was like, how weird is it adjusting to a new kicker? What do you have to do? And they both explained to me. JJ said, listen, it's way weirder for me to snap to a new holder than it is to snap to a new kicker. And I started talking to Hecker about it, and Hecker is like, oh, it's way tougher for me to adjust to a new snapper than a new kicker. And I didn't know that,

and I didn't expect that. And I've been knocking around here for a while and it makes sense to hear them explain it. But if we're on a zoom call and Johnny Hecker's talking to everybody in the world for a prescribed seven minutes, I don't know that we get to that point. I don't know that we get to that understanding. It's not the biggest story in the world.

But we're gonna find stuff out from guys this year that we're gonna be able to put in the streets on Panthers dot Com that fan are going to be like, Oh, that's so cool. I didn't know that. And that's the key. It's getting to know guys at a different level. And Augusta, this is I mean you were you are of a generation that COVID took a lot of valuable reps away from them. Mean, a lot of young reporters didn't get a lot of shots at locker room access and having

this kind of protracted conversation with guys. So this is still a little new for you too, But I mean you jump right in. I mean there are days when you can talk to seven or eight guys at a time and come out with three days worth of stories. What's it been like for you exactly what I wanted to point out, just like you mentioned with there's fans want to know like every little detail about their favorite teams, you know what I mean, And so I sometimes, like

I sat back. It was Monday, so it was the first open locker room of like you know, just practice regular season kind of thing, and I was watching Kim Irving put on a sweatshirt and FSU sweatshirt. Florida Stay and his teammates were just going at him about the game the night before at the LSU game, and it was so fun to like watch that whole you know, back and forth. And then that's a way for reporters.

I mean, I'm very new and very young, and so that was a way for me to be like, oh my goodness, you watched it, and then we just talked about the game. And it's like when you create those relationships with people, they trust you and then you get to tell really cool stories. And then also, you know, the fans, when you are able to encapsulate things like that, understand the vibes, friendships, dynamic stuff like that, fans eat

that up. I mean, as a fan of sports teams, I'm like, oh my goodness, it's so fun that they do this or they're interested in that, and they you know, shoot the crap about that. I just I love that whole dynamic of it. So that's been really interesting. But I am very very new to this. UM I graduated in so there's a lot of differences. But UM, it's

really cool. It's really cool and like getting Like there are times whenever I don't even you know, go into it thinking about an interview and I'm just like, hey, you know, what's up? How are you? And then it becomes something where they just say something that's really compelling or really interesting, and and I'm getting to know the roster better that way. You know, people that they haven't brought up to the podiums have been some of my favorite people to talk to. Ian Thomas, like talking with

him yesterday. He's awesome. He has not done a press conference since I've been here, and he was such a nice, cool, insightful guy. And I have some really interesting tidbits about things that he learned from Christian McCaffrey in a story that will be publishing very soon. Um that it's just fun. I just you get those little details, You get to get to know people, and that's like the whole reason that I think a lot of reporters want to do it is you just wanna you wanna get to know that.

You want to share it with the fans so that they can also, you know, feel like they know their favorite athletes a little bit better. I think that's fun and it's extremely valuable. The job is to tell good stories, and we can tell better ones when we've got that kind of access to guys. So we don't take it for granted, and you know, a lot of players view

it as an imposition. J J said something interesting the other day previously while Ikey was talking in a big scrum, and he's like, listen, this fan base is going to get to know Ikey in a way they never got to know Derek Brown and J. C. Horne because the first round picks can be out there on camera every week. They're good people are going you see Ikey's face a

lot more often and seem in his natural environment. And it doesn't hurt that Ikey is very good at talking and he has things to say, and he's interesting and you know he's he's got a certain thing about him that he is not necessarily uncomfortable in front of a camera.

I mean he he has a charm, he has a wit about him that he's able to communicate on the fly and you can ask him different things, and you know it's not like let me think about that, let me think about no. I mean, Icky's good on his feet. So um, I think it's a win win for everybody. So that's our inside baseball, inside the locker room media policy thing. That's just gonna drive our ratings through the

roof people of all the click stuff. You know, you know what people will come to this podcast for on a regular basis. Panthers stat guys, staut of the week. Hit me, what do you got? I know you have? You can here with one in your holster? Yeah, do it? Alright. So we made it through, or we tried to make it through a whole podcast faithfully of not talking about Baker Mayfield. But we almost made it through a whole podcast without talking about that other guy, Christian McCaffrey. Remember him. Hey,

he's good at football. Remember that guy. We should talk about him more. Since two thousand nineteen, Christian McCaffrey a hundred and thirty six scrimmage yards per game played. Oh my god, that's a hundred and thirty six scrimmage yards. That's a lot of yards. When he's on the field, he moves, He matriculates the ball down the field at high rates, a hundred and thirty six yards per game.

When you put it in that context, I mean, you understand, hey, that he's good at football, but be what they've been missing one out there, and it's and it's not that's not the kind of thing one guy can replace. I mean I feel bad almost at times for guys like Chewba Hubbard trying to fill in last year because two expect Christian McCaffrey production out of anybody, especially last year rookie like Tubou was unfair, and I mean not anybody else in the league. Not very many people are able

to produce at that kind of level. So you know, I think we're all kind of it's almost like the j C thing. It's like maybe if we don't talk about it, it won't be real and just kind of slide them through and get through this one. But obviously Christians a huge deal for these guys, and and Matt said it the other day, you know, we're not going to be scared of what might happen because he's good. So we're gonna hand him the ball for for for reference,

that's first in the NFL. Just in case anyone was wondering. Uh, fifth in the NFL is Nick Chubb at a hundred and five. That's a lot fewer. Can you do? You want to guess who to three and four are? This is since since twenty nineteen album Chamara, Nope, you see not on that list? Who who are two, three and four? Tell me? I was gonna let you guess. You want to guess one? I'm good? Uh, Derrick Henry second, Dalvin Cook, yeah, third, and Jonathan Taylor. Yeah, that's pretty good company. That's what

we're talking about. In one. Christian McCaffrey good at football. So Panthers that guyst that of the week? About that? You know what? I like that enough. I want that to be a part of this podcast every single week. He's doing it. He's pulling me back in. Will is a busy guy. And here's the thing. Will has been on special assignment a lot lately, a lot of assignments

that are very special, many many special assignments. Uh. Will wears a lot of different hats in this building, to the extent that I think he needs about seven heads to be able to wear them all at the same time, and he gets busy and helping us out on the podcast isn't always in the schedule. We're really glad he's here.

And because he's here and giving us that of the week, it just occurs to me that even if I walk around with a tape recorder and I'm like, all right, we got two minutes stay out of the week, hit me, what do you got that? We're going to make stay out of the week a routine part of this podcast experience. So even if you're not sitting in this chair every week, and I'm gonna remain in denial because you'll be back. Uh, you're gonna be here every week, whether you're sitting in

this room or not. MAT's gonna look at our analytics and find that at the seven minute of every podcast when you play my recording, there's a big spike, big spike up. Given the people what they want, that's what we do, right, So can I end this one? All right? So Augusta, back in the day, in the heyday of of this podcast, not that we're having a new heyday, but in the old heyday, we used to have kind of like our our random fun whatever thing. This isn't all that random, and it may not be that fun,

but I think it's interesting. Um. I recently put up an album on panthers dot com in case you're looking of some of the best photos from Panther's winds in openers. So I know Darren remembers most of them. Darren has been around for all of them. Can you remember not a Panther's one, but maybe an opener through your athletic career playing following watching first game sort of oh my god, what a game, what a moment? Oh my goodness. Well, first of all, I I was a band kid, so

that's the first thing. So personally, I'm trying to think of like an opener. Oh my word, that's so tough. The first thing that came to my mind wasn't an exciting game per se. But I'm thinking about my first season opener when I was in the marching band in college and it was against Austin, PA, so Georgia like absolutely crushed up. Hold on, what did you play? I played trumpet? Trumpet? I did. Yes, I'm actually extremely proud of it. And I will talk about marching band all

day long. If anyone loves me. But um, the thing I remember about it most it was very, very hot, and the game got so out of hand that they did a running clock in the fourth quarter and half of my buddies were like having to leave the stands

to go behind. But and it was like one of those like we were talking about with aike, like welcome to, you know, welcome to It was like my welcome to being in the college marching band and those long sleeves and performing and it was super hot and everyone I survived it and I did not have to go underneath any bleachers. I stayed hydrated. But um, I remember whenever the fourth quarter came around, everyone was like, please do a running clock, and they actually did in the season opener.

I thought that was hilarious. But that's like the first thing that comes by when I think of season openers, because everything after that was a breeze because I wasn't burning. So yeah, but I'll talk about marching Man all day long. Shout out to anybody's listening to this that was in marching band. We're all together sick always. Um I'll go

next and I'll let you take it home. So my very first game I wasn't there, but my very first game as a Panther's intern was the two thousand and eight season, and I'm on the couch of my buddy's house that I was renting and watching this game out in San Diego, having followed this team all to the preseason, you know, knowing all the players, so excited. It's my first time working in the NFL, and this game is going up and back and I'm like, oh my god,

what is happening? And they finally get this this last drive. They're wearing the blue jerseys. Ron Rivera and North Turner were on the opposing sideline, which is incredible um in hindsight, and Jake Delme pumps and this is actually the only time the Panthers have ever won a game at the buzzer. There's always been at least one second left. There was no time left on the clock when he pumped and found Dante Rosario a k A. Rosario Dawson in the back of the end zone. For that win, everyone talks

about two thousand three. Obviously it was incredible the Jacksonville game, but that one was an incredible moment. I I jumped over the couch with screaming like that was a really

really cool way to start what became a playoff here. Yeah, there's been some stuff and you mentioned oh three, I mean, you know, they're down at halftime to the Jacksonville Jaguars and they pulled their starting quarterback and some kid named Jake Delome comes in the game and things got weird and things stayed weird and they were exciting all year long, and we'll see what happens this year. We do not

know what's in store. We do not know what we're going to get from Baker against this whole team, but you know what then not knowing, that's why we want and that is why we listen to the Happy half Hour each and every week. We appreciate you guys joining us