Happy Half Hour 46: Building Confidence

the roof. But uh yeah, now there's football and stuff. We've actually seen things and there are things to count and measure. So and despite all that, we're still going to spend this podcast talking about Darren Sandals whole, the whole. So go ahead and just fast forward. We'll be talking about Darren Sandals to shame. There's not a video component of this to see the there is on Twitter if you follow Panthers Bill. I'm pretty sure he puts some

stuff out there. Yeah, he's probably putting my feet out there into the universe if nobody really wants that. Not a line I thought we'd say in the first two minutes of this podcast, he's probably putting my feet out there to the universe. Derailed it. I'm sorry. No, that's what people come to the Happy Half Hour podcast. If you want, you go listen to Jake and Jordan. If you want real football talk, we're here to talk about Darren's Sandals. Oh man, all right, let's start. Let's just

go chronologically. I mean it feels, I'm sure to you guys, it feels to me. I don't know what it feels like to anyone listening. Feels like the game against the Jets. The home opener was approximately seventy five days ago at this point, and it's been what four Let's go back there, and then we'll talk about what we've seen in practice and then and then look at the Saints game. So um,

let's first, let's over the defense. Right. All the storylines I felt like coming in the national storylines were, of course about Sam Donald facing his former team even for the Jets. No definitely done something about Robbie Christian McCaffrey's returned, all of those very valid storylines. All those guys played great, But man, this defense, what a great game. Shack Shack and Jermyn Carter come out in single digits, and that was great, and Shack looked like a new man. I mean,

he was running around with an energy. I mean, it's not that he doesn't play with energy anyway, but Shack was clearly fired up, and he was clearly playing at a higher level than we've seen him lately. And it was kind of interesting. Rule was talking the other day, and you know, the thing that stood out to me

about that defense was how broad based it was. And I mean, you you've got ten quarterback hits on Zack Wilson by eight different guys, you know, five guys with six sacks, and it was just such a a broad based, collective effort. And when Rule was talking about Shack yesterday, you know he mentioned when Da Kwan Jones is in his gap, shot can run free. You know, that's what Shack was doing. It's when guys aren't in the right place,

and that's when you see people shuffling around. But because he knows Da Kwan Jones is going to be in the right place at the right time, he can fly to the ball. And my god, was he flying to the ball. He absolutely was. He was around it the entire time. You know, it's it's funny when you think about you could name how many guys on defense that that had a great game. Like I was thinking about another guy was flying around to the ball, hasan reddick.

He's probably gonna get mentioned like seventh on the list of guys who had a great game, which is exactly what you want if you're Phil Snow or Matt Rules. Brian Burns gets a sack in the first drive, and it's like, no one talks about Brian Burns for the rest of the week because Derek Brown flattens him in the fourth quarter. I mean, it's just like that was seventeen sacks in a month ago. We don't even remember anymore.

But yeah, a lot of dudes. And and that's the thing I mean again, I feel like throughout this offseason, we spent six months talking about the way they did things, in the way they put things together, and when you finally saw it on Sunday, it's like, Okay, well that's what an eight deep defensive line looks like, that's what you can do with one of those. And suddenly you know, Derek Brown has always been a guy. Even at Auburn, he was a guy who got more pressure than Sachs.

And he's never been a big sack guy, and I don't know that he's ever going to be a big double digit SAT guy like Aaron Donald or anything like that. But to see him contributing like that late in a game is a function of, oh, now you have more than three qualified defensive lineman. This is what can happen when you have that put together. And give the back end some credit to I mean Jackson, Yeah, Dante j C and his first first real game. I mean, Jeremy

Chen's back there. Like those guys on third down, you know, last year they couldn't get off the field, and obviously a big product of that is Zach Wilson running for his life on third down. But I mean they were doing pretty good coverage until you know, I mean, obviously a couple of things are gonna happen there in the fourth quarter, but it was still really good coverage from

the back end. Yeah, it really was. And and I think, you know, to me, it's kind of funny here and Matt Rule talk about it because he's like enough went wrong late that he has coaching points and things. I mean, of course, you don't want that to you don't want them to potentially mount a comeback. But he is always looking for those coaching moments. So the fact that he gets to say, are two minute defense was not up to scratch, that's what we're gonna be focusing on is

perfect for him. I'm glad doctors don't view their jobs that way. This patient almost died, but he didn't, so this is great for us. Um Yeah, I mean, I just it. That's how coaches think. But he's got so much material to work with based on some things getting loose in the fourth quarter. But it's just hard for me. And I know it's easy to say Abbodus the Jets and and that's true. It was just the Jets, and the Jets are a long way from being uh at

the competitive level they hope to eventually be. But to still to see all of that stuff happen in succession, just pressure after pressure after pressure and turnovers, it's like, Okay, that's what it's supposed to look like. That's what they were drawing up all off season. And I don't know where you guys stand on momentum and belief for you know what, players believing in themselves, but but you could feel it. It would against the Jets or not against the Jets. I was, I was back by the locker

room doing interviews post game. You see the guys coming out of there with confidence, They're excited. That's gotta feel good all week long. That's got to instill in you the things that we worked on. We showed, um the guys that we brought in, but also you know, they brought a lot of guys, some really great veterans. You mentioned de Quan Morgan, Fox and the list, a j boy who will eventually see play for the play for

the team in a couple of weeks. But but also there's young guys who are perfecting their craft, getting better, and they got to show that off. Like like we just said, we mentioned Derek Brown, network Rosmatos, Jeremy Chin playing at safety this year, and we see the fruits of their labor paying off. And I think that does something to you in in in week one, that because they were pretty maligned last year, even though I thought they improved towards the end of of last season. I

mean the numbers beared out as well. So it's just really happy for them and you can see the confidence that they have that now, Hey, this works. Um, I'm doing well and and and I'm excited about the next game, which is going to be a tall task for them with the Saints. Um So I'm I'm whether it's against the Jets or not, I think everyone is feeling good about what they did, especially on that defensive side. Positive reinforcement to start the season is never a bad never,

regardless of the opponent. I mean, I think it's easy again because it was two hundred years ago last season that team lost nine of its last eleven games, and it and it was rough coming down the stretch, and and they were caught without a lot of guys. They didn't have enough people, you know, so the best efforts of some of these individual parts were going for naught

because the results weren't there. So I mean, just to be able to walk in, take a deep breath and say, alright, got one, I mean that is huge for those guys. And it is still kind of a young team, and having that kind of positive energy has to help. And kind of a young team will the one of the youngest, if not thengest, were they were last week and coaches say, I mean, I think he's been asked four or five times already this week. You know, how much does the

momentum help? You know, and he doesn't know plays it off. It's not momentum and execution. It's real. Let's be real it. We're human beings. And as much as you play call, as much as you it's day to day. We've we've watched it, we're onto the next one. And that's true, but it I'd much rather be doing that than the other. You know, well, yes, and I think there's something to

be said. And you know, Matt Role has not said that this week, but it's something that he has said, which is and and Darren you brought it up talking about deck one Jones being in his gap allows Shack to do his job. But there this coaching staff emphasizes doing your job, and specifically with young guys, not trying to do too much. So if if they can take this game and say, look at what happened when everyone is doing their assignment, look at how good it went.

I mean, there's there's momentum in that, whether or not you want to call it that, right, there's there's there's positive reinforcement in and obviously you you temper everything one way or another. You know, if you're If you're too down, you gotta temper yourself up. If you're too up, you

gotta tempt yourself down to the middle. But it helps to be just a little bit over the middle, you know, just a little bit positive, a little bit really confident um to the extent that you know you can do this, whether it's against the Jets or the Saints or the Bucks or whoever it is. That you're confident yourself. You're confident in that guy over there. You know he can do it too, because you just proved it last week.

Now this is gonna be harder. Every week is going to be a new challenge, but you know in yourself you can do and you know exactly how to do it. Let's switch over to the other side of the ball, the offense. As I said, plenty of storylines. You know, there was a storyline every which way you looked coming in to week one. What stood out to you the most about the offensive performance? Hearing all Christian all the time at first half? It really was. I mean, thirty

touches is a lot, and it's probably too many. I mean, if you extrapolate that over seventeen games, that would be for the season. And that would be a record. Um, I don't think Christians going to touch the ball thirty

times a game. I think as I went back and looked at parts of that game, in particular, Sam Matt talked about Sam has been blessed by having this checkdown option and Christian McCaffrey, and you could tell that there was such an emphasis early on on being careful, not making big mistakes, that there were times when there might have been another guy and it's like, oh wait, or I can just drump dump it off the twenty two and he's gonna do something with it. That's a comfortable thing.

I think as Sam gets a little more at ease in this offense and a little more experienced in this offense, you will see some of those numbers kind of organically drop. I think when Robby Anderson has more than one catch, Christian McCaffrey is gonna carry it fewer than thirty times. You know, those kind of things are gonna work hand in hand. But I think it was important for Christian too, at a certain level to get out there. I mean, guy missed thirteen games last year and we've always hurt,

so getting through one like that was good news. And you know, I mean, it's Christian mc caffrey. He's one of the best players in the league. So yeah, give the given the ball. I I kind of laugh in the in the mail bag and on Twitter, people keep saying, shouldn't they use Cheba Hubbard more? No, because Christian McCaffrey is better than Chewba Hubbard. He's better than most people in the NFL, so he should get a lot of touches. Yeah,

your best option. But I do think we started to see it correct itself, the numbers start to balance themselves out going into the second half. To right, That's when I mean it really felt like every ball was going to Christian. As you said, I don't know if the safety net or whatnot, but it was okay, all right, this is gonna work. We're gonna keep doing this in the in the first half, Sam season right there. You know,

he's great. Um, But it felt like even as they moved away from from that first half and got deeper and deeper into the second half, we started to see a little bit more DJ. We saw the big play to Robbie, you know, um, so we'll see, We'll see what happens against the Saints. I think DJ Goes continues to go down as one of like the quietest big time receivers. I mean, you know, when do you look down and you're like, oh, he's got eight yards already. I feel like every game. I feel like we do

that every game. He's he's just a guy, and he comes up with big first downs, like he he knows where the sticks are, He gets catches, he gets a little bit of you know, maybe it's not like a big eye popping highlight yak, but six yards of yak to go from third and one to first down are huge,

and he knows exactly how to do that. I mean, he's a guy that you know, you hope he gets six, seven, eight catches a game that Sure, there's these sideline catches that are incredible, two on each side, but you know, the stuff going over the middle where he's able to you know, to kind of to split the defenders um and on the jets, yea, it's really important to have him. And I think with all the stuff of of Donald to Robbie and Christian all that, I mean, DJ is

just he's he's so important for this offense. I also like it when Will talks about Yak yeah, he just says it is. Yeah, yack is a what's the collective of yaks? Is it a herd of yaks? Is it a priv Somebody who's listening to this podcast will know that, and they will tell us I or is it or is it just yeact like RBI because yards is the is the plural? Alright, I'm going down, Yeah, going down a rabbit hole. Well, let's let's turn our attention to

the third unit, which is special teams. We've had some movement there. We saw Ryan Santoso as the kicker for the Panthers in one game miss that extra point made what two short field goals? Right, um and um, and the Panthers, you know, But I think the big thing was that there was an opportunity for what was it a fifty two yard yard field goal early in the game, and the Panthers elected not to go for it, which

kind of told you what you needed to know. And and I don't think it was a surprise that they've now moved on brought in Zane Gonzalez, and I don't

even think that it's necessarily a negative towards Santos. So he was fine, he was you know, I don't know that he's materially different than Zane Gunzalis in any way, but he doesn't cost you a seventh round pick now, and if there's not going to be a gigantic differ, you want to explain just in case, I mean, you've written about it, but just in case anyone hasn't heard

that what that was. When they traded for santo So, it was termed a conditional seventh round pick, and the condition was he'd be on the roster for two weeks, so basically that he had the preseason game and one week of regular season to sort of sell himself. And short of that, I mean, if they weren't I mean, if they were absolutely convinced santos So was the guy and he was gonna be a nine kicker and bury every kick off into the back of the end zone

for a touch back. They had given up seventh round pick for that. But anything short of that, I think they kind of opened the door to them, are we sure we want to do this? So by him not being on the roster for two weeks, I don't know what the Giants anything. It was like it's like when you sign up for Apple TV and binge watched Ted Lasso in one week and then you cancel it after the free trial because you're too cheap to pay five

bucks for a month. Um, it feels like a personal attack on me, Aaron, Okay, but them, yeah, I mean they just decided not to spend the thing to keep Santos so and and we'll see basically, and here's another one of those kicker minutia roster rule things. By signing Zane Gonzalez off the lines practice squad, he's basically going to be here for at least three weeks. When you sign a player off somebody else's practice squad, there's a

salary guarantee and a roster spot guarantee. Now, if Sane Gonzalez stinks, can they just make him inactive and go get another kicker next week? They can, but they're probably not gonna. So I think we've got three weeks of Zane Gonzalez in our future if you were a betting man. Now, granted, we've we've gotten to see him what one day in practice as of right now. So, UM, I know this isn't the most fair question to ask you, is it

gonna be? Do you think that we'll see more than just Zane Gonzalez, or do you think he might be the answer for the Panthers a kicker. I think for the short term he's the guy, I mean, but I also think they've kind of reached that spot where it's gonna be somebody until he starts screwing it up. And you know, they've proven already this season now that they're on their third kicker, that you know, they're not afraid

to make a change. So I don't think Zane Gonzalez has an incredible amount of rope, but you know, I think they would really prefer to not change kickers every week. Yeah, you know, to make that call, Scott, you want in the business of doing but that's kind of where you are. I mean, if if you don't have the guy, you're just parading through a bunch of guys as long as it works. And there have been points in Zane gonzalez career when he looked like he might be the guy.

He was on field goals two years ago for the Cardinals, um and pretty good. He missed some he missed some kicks down there, and you know, eventually every team just gets to that point kind of the way the Panthers got with Joey of all right, we gotta do something. Even you know, we like you, we think you'll work through this, but we got to change something. And he got caught on the other side of it out there.

And for Panthers fans that kind of feel like in their fields about, oh my god, how can we never get a kicker? I missed John Casey and you know John Casey's don't grow on trees. And you know, sorry, Adam Vintaria had such a long career. You find a guy, yeah, they're they're not letting him gone. Justin Tucker's out there and we're the only team that can't find one. You know that this is not this is not unique to

Carolina in a lot of ways. There's there's been teams in the last five years that just can't can't quite find the guy, you know. So it's not just like

a Carolina thing. It feels like and I don't want to quate a kicker to a quarterback necessarily in terms of importance, but it feels like the very same thing that happens with quarterbacks, which is you try to find the guy for your team and then hold onto him, and if you can't, you try some different options, right, and the importance of having someone who is at a certain threshold or better is paramount right at that position, um, and you're just trying to figure out who that is

unless you have the Justin Tucker, you know. But we'll see what happens. And not too many people do, I mean, And you know, it's interesting. Greg's eerline is supposed to be one of the good ones, and he goes out there in the opener last Thursday night and misses a couple of field goals in an extra point and it's like, oh my god, what hap But I mean, that's just that's kind of the nature of that position, and those

guys are used to it. And in Zane blessed his hard he's got a good perspective on it, because when he was talking yesterday, somebody asked, Yeah, when you're on a practice squad, do you kind of hope guys miss because and every time a kick or misses a field goals, some guy on a practice squad gets your wings, you know, and they go get another job someplace. And he's like, oh man, that's bad karma. You don't want that. You don't want to be in a position of rooting against guys.

But uh, you know it's that's there a little fraternity so well, And that's a great perspective from someone who you inherently have about half the people in a stadium or depending on where you're playing, or have the people at home rooting against you every time you walk on the field the other team's fans. So he's like, I'm not going to put that on anybody else. Yeah, we got enough of that as kickers. You've got you've got a fan base rooting against you every single time you

step on the field. I like it when the kickers a self actualized human being. I think that's a good thing. Darren market down here now. Darren is a zing Gonzalez fan. Alright. So a great way to start off the season for the Panther, There's no doubt about it. Um. But now this week they are focused on the Saints. You know, it's great. I saw the I was like I said back in the locker room after the game, and uh, there are these signs you know that let's say Jets

the opponent this week. Immediately after the game, those come down. The Saints signs go up. This is the opponent. We're not We're not waiting. We are focused on this, this next um, this next opponent, this next challenge. And it's a good thing too, because the Saints looked very, very good in in Week one against the Packers. Yeah they did.

Jamis Winston not throwing a hundred interceptions, That's that's different. Um. A lot of people remember him as the thirty and thirty guy, but I think being around a lot of people remember him for some other reasons as well. But I think, you know, being around Seawan Payton makes you a better quarterback, whether you're Drew Brees, Tasty Meal, Jameis Winston, whoever it is. We've always known the guy's talented, but putting him in that system has turned him into a

different looking cat. And I don't know that Jamis is going to go through the entire season throwing five touchdowns and no picks in each game. Uh, that also would be a record, UM, But he looked pretty sharp the other day. And if they can keep him in a clean mode, if they can keep him protected, and they should. They have a very good offensive line, you know they've got a shot. But I'm curious to see with the Saints.

I mean, it's the ultimate football cliche, You're never as good as you look when you win, or as bad as you look when you lose. This Sayings still have a lot of stuff going on. They still don't have Michael Thomas, they still aren't at home, they're living in a hotel in Texas because of Hurricane Ida. Um, they're still without half the coaching staff for a good chunk

of the coaching staff because of COVID. There's all this stuff going on, and you wonder, can you keep that level you were at against the Packers for two weeks in a row while dealing with all that stuff in the middle. I'm worried because I feel like they will for this week. I mean, there's something about them, and there's something about the way that all that stuff just feels like so much fuel. You know, well, and and

we saw it now. Granted, this is an entirely different team as that Super Bowl winning team, but but that is that is who the people of New Orleans and their identity I think, as as a football team comes from. And they do thrive when when things are are going wrong and they and have to overcome them. And Darren and I think that's a mentality that's built into that organization no matter who is out there on the field.

And ben Sean Payton Darren brought this up earlier the week talking to me about like that that season of hurricane training. By the end of it, Yeah, in O five, by the end of it, when they were playing an LCU stadium and it was just so much and it just by November December, that stuff wears on you. But week two you're still kind of writing. And we talked

about the positive reinforcement or a momentum debate. Look at what they did when all of the when all of that was was facing them in week one, the O the O five Saints come in here week one and beat the Panthers, who would go on to the NFC Championship game that season, and then go week two to play the Giants, who were a playoff team that year and lost and proceeded to lose thirteen in the next fifteen. You know, they weren't a good team that year, but they were able to rise up a time or two

against all those circumstances. And yeah, that OH five game in l s Ue where there's about ten thousand some people in one of the biggest buildings I've ever been in my life. Uh, that was strange and that was weird. But yeah, I mean that was also sixteen years ago and a coach Ago and Sean Payton. As it turns out pretty good at this What would you be telling the team right now if you're if you're Matt Rule, Darren, you know he's going to continue. Oh god, I almost

did a Matt Rule impersonation and nobody wants them, especially me. Um, But Matt's going to keep doing his normal Matt thing, which is we're gonna work on Thursday, and on Thursday, we're gonna work on third down stuff and we're gonna polish that up. I think they've got an opportunity, um, because I can't again, the Saints defense is very good. They're also walking in this week without Marshawn Lattimore, without Marcus Davenport because some injuries, and that's where I wonder

about all those things stacking up. I mean, suddenly, when you're without a ladder more level corner, then what are you gonna do with DJ and Robbie? Right? You know, how are you going to cover him? When Tarris Marshall's on the field. Knowing that Christian still exists in this system. It creates a unique problem. And I'm curious to see if they're able to hold up defensively as much as I'm curious to see I mean, I just kind of expect Jamis to regress to the mean a little bit.

I expect that he's gonna throw some picks at some point, and we'll see if they're able to keep the kind of pressure they had last week, you know, whether that forces him into some of that stuff. It's it's a great point, um, and I don't think anyone is going in saying, you know, James Is gonna have another five touchdowns. But the reality is you went up against a rookie quarterback of a new head coach in a team that had but two wins last year for the first game.

And now, as you said, Darren, you got a Sean Payton trained quarterback who has experience as a veteran in the NFL and knows, we know he has natural talent. And that's the pointed. This week very different and they have my stat of the week, they have Alvan Kamara holds of the week a K a K forty one. As as they say versus CMC two. These guys I think will be forever linked. You know, they came out

of the same draft class. They played each other twice a year in the division, and heading into this game all these years later, they have the exact same number of career receptions. Wow, how is that possible that they both have exactly three and twenty nine catches, which is tied for third most by any running back backs through

the first five seasons of a career. Like these two are there, there's something about they're very different, but there's some similarities that that it's it's really fun when they and that they're both great. They're great. They do a different way. It's great catch the ball, they make people miss, They have a no is for the end zone. Their playmakers that you have to dedicate people to that you

always know where they are. Um, and it's it's it's sad they don't actually get to like run at each other, because that'd be kind of fun to see whether they could tackle the other one. Um, but it it that's gonna be a matchup, or that's gonna be you know, the thing to watch. We don't know about a lot of these New Orleans playmakers. A lot of those guys are gone, like Jawn Johnson two touchdowns. The returner had a fifty five yard touchdown that no one's ever heard of.

You know, obviously Michael Thomas is not out there, but they have Kamara, and they have a great offensive line, and and you know that that's enough to win in this league right now? Absolutely absolutely, And the exact same amount of catch, exact same three nine. That's interesting, especially considering Christian mccaffreys only played three games last year two and a half. Really, right, so that's how much of

elite he had on him. But I mean, I still think I mean to have that exact same number in any way. It's just it's crazy. That's why. What did you do when you looked that up and saw that? Did you stand up and walk around for a second, like, WHOA, I looked at it. I looked at it again because something's wrong. Yeah, you go back and check a couple of games. You're like, am I seeing this? Right? Does

someone not update anything? People don't see this outside. But when Will comes up with a stat like that, he'll usually thump himself into just a couple of times, put the arms up as for a chess bump. He'll start looking for high fives in the room. Yeah, he's not like Tom Brady, though. I won't leave him hanging and he's out there looking for one. It's a great stat I mean, I am kind of like Christian. I'll tap myself up. I just want to be very clear that

you said Christian, not not me. I don't do that. Christian McCaffrey can get away with it. I cannot, so just in case anyone heard that wrong. All right, let's end this with the weird question of the week. This is really just has nothing to do with anything kind of going back to our weird question. Roots are specially something that I've been thinking about, um aside from Darren sandals, Um, when's the right time to decorate for howman guys, because

I'm I've been waiting. I've been waiting to well. I think it had something to do with the amount of heat at training camp in Spartanburg, where I am just so ready to uh to flip the page and and have it befall. It also could have been the game on Sunday, which was so hot and and humid that they actually had equipment staff in turns down on the field holding up shade over the benches. Um. I tried to get in there a couple of times. I was like, oh, this feels nice over here. Um, but when's the right

time to decorate for Halloween? Because it's still hot in Charlotte. I I think whenever you feel comfortable enough pulling the plug on pumpkin beer and pumpkin spice latte, then you're okay, never never had a pumpkin spice latte, Well, then you try one, Uh, if you feel comfortable enough diving into that, and then sure, go ahead and start decorating. I I

have not done the pumpkin beer yet. I'm waiting for October one to do that, so I'm hoping it's it's not completely no need degrees October one, but very well doing that. Then the appropriate time to decorate for Halloween is never. I know, we could we combined a question and they stay off my lawn at the same time. Don't you didn't carve a pumpkin with your kids? I did when my kids were small. I can imagine Darren

telling his kids absolutely not. Yeah, but I I think I think we've gone overboard with like all these yard decorations and all these people with skulls hanging in trees and stuff like that. You haven't seen your neighborhood. That neighborhood is neighborhood pumpkin wall. I'm looking forward to see, not just that the whole thing is nuts, but I

think it's easy to go overboard with. And I and I'll say that because I I used to live in a neighborhood where people had like the big animatronic spiders out there. It's kind of like my neighborhood. Yeah, and it's like it's so a little goes a long way. But I also think, you know, and again, my kids are teenagers now, so we're kind of asked the Halloween phase of it. When kids are small, yeah, it's adorable, it's fantastic. Nothing's cuter than that. But when kids become teenagers,

it's like, Okay, you're just out there harvesting candy. Get off the st I mean, I was gonna come trick or treat at your house. You're saying I can't do that. Now you can, and we'll probably you know, I'll move the drink fridge out on the porch and I'll hand you a Pumpkin's at an appropriate time. But yeah, I just a little Halloween goes a long way with me. Wow, Darren said, never, that's like never. I don't know. I'm

trying to find out, That's what I'm like. I said I would have done it at the end of August because I was so turned to the heat, you know. But I'm just I'm like, when's the time. I don't know I would say. I mean, I think, yeah, the beginning of the beginning of the October one. I'm walking in here with a pumpkin spice slot see for you. I would love that. I'll take you up on that. I've never had one. I don't think them ana love it.

I'll try. We'll see. Let me know. All right, that's gonna do it for us on The Happy Half Hour podcast. Thanks for listening. We'll see you next week.