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boy chair today for Shannon, our illustrious leader. He's not feeling well, says he's might be coming down with the flu. But I'm wondering if it's uh A couple of weekends of Mama Gross and Yeah Yeah, they're recovering. Obviously, joined by the star of our show, the Great Nate Newton. Sir, how are you wish? I was great? But I am used to be here. We've got Mickey Speck No listen in with us, Yes, sir, what are you coming out of the bullpen? Yes? All right? Like you to Mickey.

We tried to get just Ted. He's not fish killer anymore. He's just Ted. How you get just Ted to come on for a little bit? And he was regaling us with stories of hunting earlier. But alas we could not say a ka f k huh, I said, Do I dare ask what that stands for? Yeah? You can't. What is it saying? Fish Yella? We've got Douglas behind the wall back there? How you doing, Douglas? Hey there, you'll free jump in today. Without Shannon here, he might actually

get a chance to talk a little bit. Well, we'll see that might not be a good thing. Oh thanks, Mick, Yeah, you're not in it. Hopefully Shannon's not been hanging around with a woozya because he was ill today and practice I'm starting to go through the Yeah, better watch the hope somebody sprayed these microphones feeling woozy? Okay, what did I say? All Right, you had your chance, Douglas. That's just Mike off, that's for Mickey. That's an old school

newspaper headline right there waiting to be written. And we we want to be joined by you guys on the show today as well, So feel free to call in eight eight eight eight five five twenty two ninety seven, eight twenty two ninety seven. So normally we talk a little cowboys offense Eagles defense today. What do you think about that? Nick or Mickey? I'm good with that, all right, And my question then right off the bat for you guys go there yet please okay, let him give us

the injury report. How did you know that's when you say it's something about a woozy. We don't need tec, you don't need his TVC. Yeah, at least it's still it's not an injury, right, if that's a good thing. Guys that didn't practice, just David Irving, Tavon Austin, Shawn Lee, Uh,

Jeff Swain. I mentioned a woozier. Tyrn Tyrn Smith was dressed, he had his pads on, he did all the stuff beforehand, and then after they did a couple of their little drills and they were actually going to get into something, he went outside and he was doing conditioning work with strength and conditioning coach Mike Woissick. So at least he was dressed, and that's more than he did the prior to the Saints game on on Thursday night. So I

guess that's a step in the right direction. I think there's some optimism that he can play, But maybe their thought was you guys there's no sense him banging that shoulder in pads. You know, if you're gonna do it, do it in the game. Let's not wasted in practice. So he was he probably I guess they'll probably list him as limited. Zack Martin was out there, he did the early stuff and Jason Garrett said in the press comment he probably would be limited. Uh, same with Sea A.

Philo was out there. It has a little bit of a hank ankle. And then also MALIEK. Collins might be a little limited. He was still trying to work through. I guess it was the knee thing he had and the good nos he is as Cole Beasley was out there and looked like he was getting ready to do everything they asked him, So I think there was some worry about him with his foot that came out of that game, and I think he's he looked like he

was moving pretty well. He was working on the cards early and then kind of moved into what everybody else did. So Tyrn, there you have it. Tyrn is. I got the impression that they had hoped Tyrn would be ready to go. If he's not, are we starting to get serious concerns? Well, the last couple. I mean like last week when he when they kind of knew he wasn't ready to go that early portion of practice when they kind of do some skeleton drills, Cam Fleming was out

there with the first team. He wasn't out there with the first team. This time, Tyrone was out there. So I think that's a good sign that he's probably moving closer and closer to playing on Sunday, and they need him out there. By the way, David Irving, man, you know me me personally, I think he's done for the year. But what's your feel you a little bit closer to the team. Yeah, I look at him as you know, when you order an ice cream Sunday, the Sunday is

pretty good. If you get the cherry on top, sometimes it's better, right, So I think he's the cherry on top. Yeah, they're counting on it. Yeah. I mean, it's a high ankle sprain and those things are usually four to six weeks and then you know, whatever else he's got going on. Who knows, but yeah, somebody said that they he's been seen in the building at least on Monday, which is more than I've seen since he left on the scooter. That day kneeling with the bad ankle on the scooter

one of those little electrical things. So hopefully he's not going too fast on it. What's uh, I haven't heard really a specific timeline on Swam. It was gonna be I'm trying to remember, because I was sure was a dad thing to say, like, oh, he's not going too fast for four weeks. Maybe he had to have screws inserted into the fracture of the bone in his hands.

And I was told, until the screws come out, he's not going to be able to play, even if they pad it up, because obviously you don't have much padding in your hand back at your hand, so those screws have to come out first. So maybe by the end of the season, maybe another week or two, and then he would see if they could play with a pad on. You know, I just want people I want I want people to see how good he is. But you know, and I said this about five years ago, I said,

I want people to know how good Sean lives. And I don't think Swain is as great as Sean lives. But the injury thing, man, yeah, say, helped saying yesterday Swains one of the better tight ends in the league. If you it's it's and Mick probably can name him better than I can. But it's four or five great tight ends in this league, and then there's the rest of the guys, and Swain is at the top of the rest of those guys. That's just what I believe. I don't know what other teams can develop in their

tight end position. But he run his routes and he's better than an adequate blocker, and he run his routes and he catches balls. What he does need maybe that Kelsey don't need, because Kelsey was by kind of doing his own thing for a long time him and grown is. He may need other pieces around him to where he can be a compliment piece. But as a tight end, as I look at tight ends, he's a good more

than service was tight end. To me, that's just a complete tight end, not just a guy you're going to send out in the slot and throw passes to like zach Ernst h So, uh yeah, and I think they missed they missed his blocking on the line of scrimmage. You think that, you know, there's so much concern about the tight end position coming into this year. Obviously we're not getting twenty five twenty seven year old Jason Witten production. But are we getting the same production we would have

gotten out of Jason Witten this year? I think they would have scaled back his snaps uh this year to try to preserve him number one. And you know, I don't know that you know the last year or so that his blocking on the line of scrimmage was what he'd been used to seeing. It's came out with like two or three games because every year, memmy, be like, Jason ain't doing it, and then as the season go on, you get better and better. I'm like, wow, it takes him a couple of games to get warmed up to

that speed. And believe it or not, because they he didn't practice like you know they're saying with SHANNIEMI took Shanny one or two games where he just stopped being Sean Lee. That happens with time. Yeah, And I think that the more that Schultz has played, I think the better he's he's become. Yeah, he seemed like a guy

that they like, almost a wasted traffick and training camp. Yeah, and again you gotta remember these are rookies and they're all of a sudden going from playing against the twenty year old guy to thirty year old defensive end. Yeah, and see Jason, and what that is? This is one thing I like about Jason. They saw, okay, he ain't where we thought he was. And then and instead of them see instead of them saying, okay, he's just gonna

beat him down, they brought him alone. And a lot and a lot of people don't like that, but they brought him alone. And so now he's starting to come in Like Blake Jordan, I'm like, I'm like, why is they even putting this dude in the field, because you know how, you know what I started calling the guy seeing man, he's snake bit, He's snake bit. Yeah, but now things are starting to come in and sometimes you

just take that time and uh shouts up. Thing gonna be all right, But Swain is better than all right. And uh and if if we gotta go I don't think we have to go out and uh, you know, David Hellman may think a little different, or a few other guys. I don't think we have to go out and make drafting a tight end a priority. I just don't. I don't believe that. Yeah, I was one of that too.

If we've made so much about the weakness at tight end, but is it that much weaker than I mean, I think the tight if you have one of those guys the Kelsey's yeah, hearns, Hey, that's great. Yeah. But if you don't have that guy and you just have a complete tight end, if you get to the end of the season and you tell me I didn't make the playoffs because I didn't have a good enough tight end,

all right, listening, right, Yeah, that's weak. It's only two tight ends in this league right now, and it's never been more than one that you can say, Hey, that guy that can get me to the super Bowl. And that's just how it goals. I mean, it's been some great tight ends that came through these but you still needed them outside guys to make that great tight end greater, you know, you know what I'm saying. I mean, think

about what Ernest did the first time around against the Cowboys. Yeah, fourteen catches for one hundred forty five yards, and they really didn't score the get to twenty until that last drive when the Cowboys were trying to make them milk the clock to down the field. So despite fourteen catches for one hundred and forty five yards. You know, with a few minutes left in the game, they had thirteen points.

So because tight end the traditional tight end, and even if he in the slot, he still brings the extra man into the box. He still you know, people said, And the only time he can really help you is if he's legit like that. Now, he really helps the slot receiver because they got to make this decision on on who they're gonna double on the inside. That's why I think, now, you know, the outside guy really helps

Cold Beasley. But if outside in, if we had sway somebody that we can just really have in there now Cold Beasty, because I'm like, we shouldn't lose on Cold We shouldn't, you know. And now I didn't know he was hurt, you know. Yeah, he finished the game though, right, so that was the good news. But he did kind of on the play that he dove for the first down. Yeah, he kind of sprained his foot a little bit. But I saw him doing the cord work out there and

he looked like he was moving just fine. It's just uh, Cold Cold. She was having some outstanding games now, I mean, going down the stretch man I wanted to be surprised. He should have averaged at least five catches, not no. Five charge. He should average five catches, sixty or seventy

yards just first downs every game. He should. At this point it seems it's obviously because of Cooper his targets have dropped though, So yeah, but you gotta remember when they was willing and he had the seven hundred yards season, we had witting and Dad's doing well. So h man, I believe that you can beat people with a complete package if you're if you got a Marie Cooper and you got Zeke in the backfield and your office line

is starting to trying to be something. Now, all you need is a good slot, a good tight end, and a good other receiver. You don't need them great, You just need them to be good, be consistent. And I think cold Bees is on the upper end of slot receivers, so we should be. We should. Yeah, because I got so helme in it showed a happy out. They meet twenty eight points shouldn't be an issue for us. Now, I mean, do you think I think you're right there?

I'm right there with you, you know, and as long as you as long as you don't keep wasting firsting goals at the four and having to kick a field goal, you know, and that's happened far too many times last four or five games. I mean, okay, yes, twenty eight points shouldn't be an issue, but it is. So why it is at all about the red zone? I mean why? I mean, it's what We're still twenty fourth in the

league in points. Yeah, and I don't know if if the New Orleans game was an outlier because the offense was starting to roll, you know, the amount of points they were producing in the during this four game winning streak. The other three games the offense was rolling, the guy's numbers have been high. U So I mean yeah, I mean, what are you want against Washington? Twenty two against the Falcons points and then what was the other seven? And

twenty seven at the Eagles. So if you're right around that twenty five to twenty eight, you're you're doing fine. If I offensive line can just take away four sacks, four or five, I'm serious, you're gonna give up one or two sacks just on mistakes. But when you start getting the four or five, that's you got to stop about seven? Yeah, yeah, I know you gotta stop. Even I don't even want to go to six or seven.

You you have to find a way to not let him get hit that many times, and he has to find a way to get that field back so he can drop to the ground or something close, you know, to protect that ball. But I know in this league now, you can give up some sacks and you can still have a success passing game. But to be plummeted, you can't be plummeted isn't expected to perform, you know what I'm saying. I mean, think about it. What he what did he'd he throw for against the Saints? Like two

hundred and forty yards? Yeah, he got sacked seven times times. Yeah, they and four in the first half, three and the second. The sacks don't don't show or haven't harmed what they've done. Because you get sacked seven times, they still win the game. Right over the four game winning streak, he's been sacked seventeen times and they've won all four games. That number suggests you should lose. Yeah. Yeah, in their history they've times when they've been sacked seven times, they've won six

out of their entire history. That don't even make sense. Yeah, well, how about the eleven sacks when I mean when they've been sacked seven times, they want they won six games. They usually lose those. Yeah, they didn't win those games when they got sacked eleven times. Newton. But the think what you're trying to do is and a lot of it's kind of like the NBA is like you can shoot forty five percent in twols, thirty nine percent in threes,

thirty nine sent in threes, gonna wine, you know. So people saying now they need plays, they just want more and more offensive plays. They need to plays. We can get enough plays, we're gonna score some points. Well, we're not built like that. We build on efficiency. So when we get inside the rid zone, that is truly truly big for us because we ain't striking anywhere on the field. Besides what Cooper has done, you know, we ain't. We just not as by this much with Gallop right, Yeah,

those big plays, Yeah, haven't quite hit those. Well. We mentioned the offensive line a couple of times with the injuries, the guys that were kind of banged up, and then with the other Travis missing totally. But if you've all seen her to now John Owen, The Morning News Today had an article that from his film review, he thinks that Connor Williams should now be put back in over Suefila. I know we've talked about before. You gotta let these

young guys play, You gotta let him go. But how do you find that balance between not messing with a streak and giving your young guy chance to get in there. Well, if if if, if Xavier's playing that bad, coaches will make the change back. If he if he's playing that bad, they will make the change back. Yeah, you know, because they they feel like Connor is their future. If he if he's giving you just as much as the older guy, they'll put him back by the same tone. If they don't,

they won't. His reasoning was, Williams is a better pass blocker, excuse me, although he's not as big as Suephila, he's a little quicker in the run game, and he's healthier right now, which I was. I thought I saw diminishing returns with Sue Philo, and I thought it was him, bade him a couple of times. I thought it was time to put Connor Williams back in there. But again, we don't know that he is totally healthy. You know it's a he did have sir jury, right, had his

knees scoped. Uh, and look how long it You know, Taco kind of got back, but he hasn't really played a heck of a lot. So I don't know if maybe he's not totally ready to go back out there. Now. You can go out there and and be jumbo, you know, Jumbo Connor and the three tight end deal. But it's only a couple plays a game. It's not sixty. So I don't know if that has anything to do with it too. But Jason made it sound like that they

were rolling with Sue Filo. When you're facing a team like this, it has such a strong defensive line, is it the time you don't mess with? Yeah, keep a bigger guy out there that might be a little more sturdy. Yeah, it's Fletcher Cox will cause you a problem. And you know, watching watching the way they play just a little bit, I didn't watch just deep into that D and D lines against Washington, but you know, Fletcher finally started gets a push and and Graham got a sack. You know,

it's just I don't know what's besides lacking the intensity. Uh. You know, people can say the injuries and all that. But when you coming off of the Super Bowl intensity you thought you had the year before, you know, when you didn't realize what was happening, and now you're gonna now you can measure that, Like you said, you can measure that pressure now, and it's there. It's like a cloud when they walk into the facility. It's like a cloud coming down on you. You know. He wore me

out about that pressure yesterday. You know, but Mick, you were here twenty five years right, you were here our first year. Did we ever think about pressure when it just it wasn't there that that's surprise. My assumption being on the outside is that, you know, this Eagles game is bigger than the Saints game, and the closer you get the playoffs, some more pressure these young guys especially, you're gonna feel. But Nate said that's not the case.

I found that fascinating. Yeah, I think it's kind I know how the head coach, yeah, presents it because ye that if you guys heard in the press conference today, that's that was all the questions, you know, how do you handle this is a big game? And he answered the question, and I swore when he said it It's like I thought I was listening to Troy Aikman, Yeah, because he said something about if this is the big game and I do something different than did I cheat

myself in the other games? Yeah, that wasn't a big game because the question was it was, I'm not gonna make this game bigger than another game, because it's only sixteen of them. And so if I make this game bigger and we lose that game, what was I doing all the rested? Again? Yeah? Or what do I say next year? You know, that's what one one couple of weeks ago brought us and I got into yet pretty bad. Yeah.

But but my point was you can't just say okay every game, you know, and act like, okay, we got to ratchet it up because this one's important, because, as you just said, Kurt, when you get to this point in the season and you win one, now the next game is even bigger, yes it is, and then you win that and the next games even bigger. So you can't come in and just declare this is the big one, because and then what if you lose, then what's the

next one. I'm gonna tell you something, even Keil, And and that's why I think that's how you get away from pressure, if you know. And the only thing I can equate it with is, uh, you know, you're you're you're playing tennis, and you know, as you get closer to closing out a set, well, yeah, and the pressure goes up. If you're just thinking about the result more

than the point, you get yourself in trouble. You just got to play the point and see, this is what Because Kurt was like, it was like, because I didn't you know, me and Kurt, God, I don't want him think that I'm griping a moment. You know what I'm saying. It's him put me to think it. And then then I look around the league. Well, if that's the case, Jerry Golf should fall apart. Uh, Patrick Mahomes should be crumbling. You get what I'm saying. But some guys are some

teams depending on who the coach is. That's what I was setting curtainer. That's the curt I said. Jimmy wouldn't let it be about us. He let it be he He made it big and fun. He's like man, y'all boy, y'all won last week. But this game here, Oh, you really want to show the world what you made out up, you know, and it's just about yeah, you up the ammy, but you don't make it like pipe or death. And I think Jason does a good job of that. And I know everybody probably got bored with his answer. Oh

they didn't like it. But that's that's that's I turned off for. That's the reality of it. I turned off. I said he, I said they they asked for it, and I'm going to turn off for the next minute because he gave it. Because when you asked that question, you should know what the answer is gonna be from at least. Yeah, it's coming like the one question about the Cowboys are in the driver's seat. Yeah, it's like

what driver's seat. It's a little small driver's seat if if they are, because there are only one game ahead of two teams and they got to play the Eagles on Sunday. But you know what's kind of driver's seat. You know what's so amazing, it's the fact that it's one on two men. Yeah, oh sorry, yeah, no, no, you can stay as long as you want. Uh. You know what's so amazing though, is uh? And I brought this up yesterday. Rivera coach, rivera how he's taken over

the defensive calling. Dude in firing PA and you see and see this is what you You don't panic too soon, and this is when you start panic because coach that okay, we're on a four game s kid, we got to change something. Now it's time to change. If you're gonna change something, ain't gonna go fire your head coach. I'm talking about if you're gonna change something within your staff. Now is that time? Because everybody is within a game up of six orn or over six. You either six

and five or six and whatever? Are you seven and whatever? And it's crunch time. It's crunch time. And this is how you mess up your team. It's when the coach starts panicking. I want to see what the Panthers do because the coach it's panic. I'm serious. So now how is the team to respond? Yeah? Right? And since you got red, it reminded me of you know, Oklahoma trying to fix their defense right right, Well, they didn't really fix it, nah nah nah, changing defensive coordinators. That's what

I said. When you see your studs, your star players, and your coaches start getting nervous, that not the young guys. What what's the issue here? Now? Yesterday we was cool. But what's going on here? So now you got everybody doubting everybody. That's when they started Mountain. I think it's okay for us to understand and point out the ramifications of the game. Yeah, they just need to play and they know right, they know where they're at. They understand.

But if one game away from the Bears losing, yeah, you one game away from taking over your division, and you one game away from being back in the wild card hunt. Oh you're in all one game yep, and that's this game coming. All right, let's we're past one o'clock. I don't Mickey, you want to stick around and A yeah, you can sit around. We need to take a break just to eat. That's okay, So we'll be right back. That's amari for us. Yeah, that ain't happening. All right,

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What's something man? Bring it to us? How you doing certain? What was you trying to bring to us the other day? What was you trying? I thought I told you I thought I told you okay too, he thought he told you too. What's that tell me? Yeah? Yeah? But here, Uh, I told you many he wouldn't have nowhere to run. You got him? Yeah, But I meant to say Kamara didn't have nowhere to run either, because really nobody runs the ball against us. It's just not you really don't

do that. I mean, it's that's supposed doing. I mean, two years ago he was the number one run defense and y'all said he had a couple of days ago on the show. If I you know, I was playing with that plan with a mediocre, mediocre defense a couple of years ago. And that's what I'm saying. Those guys weren mediocre. I think our you know, our front seven Wassid it, but our corners from mediocre, so you know

that's why we were number one and run defense. But you know, but our corners weren't great, so we sent its like top fifteen overall. So you know, that's that's what it was. So what you think about these corners right now? Give us your rinkings on that, y oh man. I mean, you know Byron Jones is lockdown. I don't want him putting his gun out until we're running off the field celebration, you know what I mean, Wait till, wait till it was fourth down and it was about

the pump because you put your gun out. That's what I don't want to tell Biden. But other than that, man, he wanted the best, you know. And Tito, I mean we talked about Cheto, but the only person I've seen beat Cheeto really is is Hulio. And who then Hulio be right? So what you know? So we you know, he yung, he cadn't go get better every year, so you know we gotta ride with him, you know, But just real quick, let's look at the staff. For me. I don't think we're scoring in the red zone because

that ain't running. Man, you can't run every other time. I mean, you'll run on third down and put your head down, your bulldog and you a ride. And we know that once we get inside the ten, that's faked to Zeke. I mean that hand off to Zeke, it ain't going nowhere. If you ain't a threat to run the ball, it's just gonna crash down on. That's why we ain't run that play to Beasley. When Beasley dropped that play, run that play. You won't keep dropping that.

What are we saving stuff like that for? I don't get it right. Yeah, that's twenty points out there with that stuff like that. And you know that one throw to Gallup, I mean that's twenty points right there. If our defense keep playing like this, if nobody, nobody Curtis all right, he brings up something I want to ask you guys, and that I mean right now, let me drill some stats into the beat you down with this stuff. But we're second in average time of possession per drive

three h five. We're fourth in the league in average yards per drive six point three three. But those aren't turning into points really, we're seventeenth and points per drive. How it's all coming down to the red zone. Right, and how does that get fixed? Yeah, and they just haven't been good enough inside the ten yard line. I think four of they've only scored touchdowns on four of their last nine first in goals and that's not good enough. And three of them have been first in goal at

the four but you just mentioned one of them. Beasley dropped the touchdown pass a heck of a call, wide open, you know, and then you struggle they leaked pass coverage this pass game or the game before. Right. Uh, Noah Brown's wide open the left side of the end zone. No one covered him, and Dack's back pedaling and he's got to throw the ball up because he's gonna get

sacked and he come up short. So they've had some good plays in there, they just haven't executed or you know, caught the ball or protected the quarterback and you know, and what happens is you're four yards away from the goal line. I get it, and yeah, just hand Zeke the ball. Well what do you think the defense is thinking too? They're gonna stock the box. And the one thing that Cowboys don't have, well, actually two things we

talked about it this morning. One, you know, you might not have a savvy enough tight end to figure out the congestion in there like Witton did to get open and number two the back shoulder fade. They don't really have a wide receiver. They can jump up high and go get the ball. Now, I think Gallup might turn into that. He's a little bigger than everybody thinks, so they're a little limited in that close end stuff. But they need to figure it out because it's got to

be better. Back in the day when you were playing it. I mean, everybody knew you're gonna run. Line up, line up, and you run and the Jim Schwartz, the Eagles defensive quarters coordinator, said yesterday that they pretty much know what Dallas is going to do. You know, it's a pretty simple run game in his opinion. So a lot of fans wonder, and I wonder too. Are they just getting too cute on the goal line? Do they just need

to line it up and go? I mean, it's why has Zeke ever come off the field, whether he runs the ball or not. I mean, they just need to get up, get up and get in there. I wish they would if if they were going to just get up and go and hand them the ball don't come in with three tight ends because basically you're saying, you know, it's like that big neon sign that says, yeah, like okay, we're gonna run, are you n run? We got three

tight ends? And sometimes you got to back people off and say, okay, are you sure all three tight ends are blocking? You know? Are you sure we're not going to throw it at you? Otherwise sometimes you just beat your head against the wall. And I think the misnomer is is this line is so good they're gonna blow people off the line of script when you got when you got three backups in there, I'll tell us here, man, it's gotta be fixed. I mean, whether you're throwing it.

And more important, we can't take sacks down there, Yeah, just cannot or penalties. Sacks and penalties. That's that That has happened to us a couple of times. But when it took sacks and penalties, and it's just it's that's that's a bad thing. You know, I don't care how you get it in there. You gotta you gotta get it in there because uh, you gotta pay attention to you got to realize if I'm gonna make a mistake, it just cannot be down here. You gotta pay you

gotta pay attention to detail. Man, This is this is this is the most this is the least UH worked on deal because it's so physical. Goal line, it's so physical in such a small area. But it's most important when you get down there. It becomes you know what everybody tell us about. Hey man, they're terribling the rid zone. They didn't get down there before times, but those were four great times that you needed to score seven, you know, And the other guy called and said, you know, the

dack's got to run the ball more. Well, okay, you you go empty. And and now people have seen that, right, they've seen the quarterback draw. I think he wanted the the oh he wanted to run option. Yeah, but a lot of times everybody's saying one, they just call that draw. Well, you've got to set it up. It's not like, okay, let's just go do it, because at some point the middle linebackers going oh, not against me, You aren't you know, you can do something else, But I'm watching this to

take them two techniques over your guards. They're just gonna sit there. Yeah, they're just gonna hold ground. And then when he take off the ferry job. Yeah, it's like, don't worry about rushing them, just make sure he doesn't run right up the gut. Yeah. So here's another static attention to detail, random thing to throw aut you on the road scoring touchdowns in the red zone, we're at

fifty seven percent. At home, we're at four percent. Is there any kind of conservative play because you're got a home field advantage there would maybe there's too much noise from another team. I have no idea. It's just a lot of that. A lot of those things are it's like, well, who you playing against? Yeah, you know, and how good is that is that defense? Because I think overall in the red zone they're like forty eight percent. Yeah touchdowns, Yeah,

and that's not you got to be over fifty. Yeah, that's kicking too many field goals, are giving your opportunity to missfield goals from a short distance. So yeah, it's got to be better. We talked a little bit earlier about Phillies defense, just a little bit about what's changed. I mean, they seem so much better last year. They haven't lost a ton of guy they still they've had so many injuries in the secondary, right, Yeah, I mean,

and it started in the Cowboy game. They started, they were down guys and then they lost guys in the game. And I don't think they've gotten everybody back yet. So yeah, their past defense, I think it is ranked like twenty six. There's something that they're pretty low down. They're just just havn't Journegan didn't play the first game on that defensive line. I know he's kind of rotational guy. Does he make any kind of difference at all? Or yeah, I mean

it helps out. I think their key thing is if they're not getting pressure on the quarterback, the back end is gonna hurt them right right, So if you can protect your quarterback, so is the whole key to this game stopping Fletcher Cox. And it's a good word, it's a good place to start. You know, Brandon Graham found his legs last week, you know, and it's always Chris Long. You know, It's just I don't think I'm just being honest. I really, in a game of this magnitude, it don't

matter they they have. They have been in this spot war not not the losing part, but you know, they've been in this spot before where they knew they had to play well. And the thing about they got the talent and see I'm waiting on I'm waiting on Michael Bennett. We don't need to let him show up. Michael Bennetts just been an old K guy all year long, just an old K guy. We don't need for Michael Bennett

to show up like he did for Seattle Can. A team that was has maybe been on a I mean, you talked about coming back the next year after a super Bowl and that's when it really gets tough. Can they figure it out midway through and find their legs or is it just Yeah? Because the reason I believe it make the reason I believe that the Eagles can find these legs because this ain't all about Carson Wentz. That's why I believe they got a chance. Because it's

Carson Wentz. I think it's it's a nice quarterback, always have even this rookie year. I blamed him the receivers he was he was hitting too many people in their hands. You know, if you got a quarterback of this magnet two, you always got a chance. And now they quite uh the cowboy killer, you know, Tate, Yeah, I finally had a good game. Yeah, this is how we used the Cowboy killer right before our game. He gets gets almost a hundred yards in the touchdown. I mean, think about it.

You go back twenty five years when you guys tried to repeat. You know, you were just seven and four eleven games, That's what I'm saying. But there were two games without Emmett. Yeah, the pressure was on and Jimmy basically told him if we don't run the table, we're not getting home field advantage. It's like Jimmy had to tell Jerry, you better sign Emmett after that. Oh and two stars Charles Hayley does Oh it was Charles. Yeah, that's right. Yeah, Jimmy's been talking to him all day.

It wouldn't have been seven and four with him at in the lineup. Well you don't know that, I think I do, Expert Douglas, Where did Derek did Derek last? You do not start Micky up? Okay, do not start Mickey. I know, I'm I'm poking and proud and anything in the league. So what they had Troy and Michael and in all these villagers, Yeah right, they were eat it all man, they were They just wasn't ready to play. This wasn't this wasn't the age of parrot or the

era of parody you had? I mean the first game of that season was Buffalo right home game, and I think, I mean, these were teams that if you were going to win. The forty nine Ers were stacked, the Cowboys were obviously stacked. You couldn't just drop one of your future Hall of famers out of lineup and expect it. Why not? What you were doing? Why not? Because that's just the way the league was. Then what did you

lose that game? Thirteen ten? The Buffalo was just enough and he got beat by Washington And the opener was that right? I think that's right? We saw huh Yeah, remember no oh and two team has ever gone to the Super Bowl except Jimmy Johnson coach team and then Jimmy Warrior ass out right, and that's why he ended up I think retiring lost at Washington, lost the Buffalo thirteen ten. Pretty good an old guy. Yeah, I'm tell you something, man. I just I like the Eagles, man.

I like I like how they play. I like that they know who they are even when they lose. They they know that it's all about Carson Wentz and they do everything and their power to make sure that the offensive line be as healthy as they can be, and they make things where they protect him. I mean they actually they go out of their way, man, so because they like, we don't care and they're head coach like it took them two or three weeks to figure out how they actually needed to use golden take and it

came to light. So uh, I think Coach Garrett is trying to do the same thing here. But I and I've always said, this is the only time you hear me kind of you know, get put myself on the firing line. Is management gotta let him make his moves. And I don't think every move is made by Jason. I think it is a lot of moves are made by committee. And I could be wrong, but some things, I just it don't seem to be Jason, you know what I'm saying. Some things that maneuver the moving parts

don't seem to be the Jason. You know. U. Let's see, let's see, like I said, let's see, let's he's putting one over on me. You know, let's go back to the phones. We got Adam in Atlanta. How are you doing today? Adam? Hey, guys, how are you doing when you were in Atlanta? Oh well great, hold on, hold on, hold on man, yo, man, what's your name? Don't I don't want to tell you something. Mickey, you didn't speak to Kurt and you did speak to me. You spoke.

I mean, I think it's cool. Mickey's on an award winning show for once, what you call it a time. It's like he found the soft spot at the back. And then I was gonna get old Adam, and Adam softened me up that quick. Yeah, what's up? Adams know that much? Man? Hey, guys, after that Titan's loss, you know, we were always questioning this team, and I think over the last month they've answered those questions. I think Sundays

the time to start making some statements. My question though, that hurts me and he scares me, so met what can what can we do defensively? Because you know, they find a way obviously reminds me of witness. They lead him a lot in the backfield. He just see it's just always there at the sticks. Let me tell you a point of attack. I figured this out. Watch the film, go back on y'all twenty two. What they do is

they read that linebacker. That's to his side, especially as if he's off the ball, if that linebacker take two or three steps up at all to come at the run, he just snatches out and throws it and earth. And this is one thing they messed up. They let us hive audio during the game. He would call him, he would call him, you know, he would call his quarter that win wins, wins, and you know, to let him know to snatch it out because they own the same office. Oh,

it's that obvious. What we have to do is and this is kind of hard to do because they got to get office. Line is our front four has to handle that. They have to be able to if they're confident that they can stop that run, if they confident they can stop that run, because there's three options, and this is the third option that he doesn't do anymore.

Remember Winz used to pull it out and run a little bit because it was give it to the tucking into the back, looking looking at the at the tight end and if if that linebacker come up two or three feet, he was gonna snatch it out where if you haven't blocked all the way, then all of a sudden he'll pull it out. If that linebacker stage back. He'll pull it out some time and take off. Well,

now they don't. He don't take off as much. And I'm not saying he can't do that against us, but our defensive line has to be able to handle that. That way, our linebacker can stand there and make them make a decision. But that's hard when you teach linebackers to what take two steps forward? Thanks for car ad him. I appreciate that. Man. I was looking at that and when they when I was looking at the game, he said,

winz winz winz. And really they didn't. The announcers did not elaborate on I say, man, and they best to friends tell Ben Bloom, man, man, they should know that. You know. The thing about it is they know it. But some things, man work to perfection. But now can you take it all the way down the field and not miss? And they weren't able to do that in the last game. This this kind of touches into something. My question I want to ask you now, um, how big of a deal is it that you're facing this

You're now seeing a team a second time. I mean, man, you pretty much known each other already. Is an advantage for the offense defense? I mean doesn't matter. Dog fight. You know each other, you know, it's who is what I think when you play the second time, especially with everything that's on the table, it's just who's gonna play attention to detail and who's gonna play the smartest. That's what I believe in because they ain't gonna change much. I mean, they have a rinker here and a Rinka,

then we'll have a rinker here Rinka that. Whether it's noticed by the public or not, we won't know. But fetch you. Cox loves to bully you, over arm, swim you. H like he gonna bully and try to turn in the speed corner. He'd been doing this for three years. Now, what is he going to do different? I thought? Jason answered that he actually answered that question. I can't remember if it was during the press conference or the walkoff, and he's basically, I think what he was trying to

say from a skill standpoint, Yeah, you know each other. Yeah, I know what Nate can do. He knows what I can do. But it's five games ago or four games ago, and teams change and they're not gonna have the same game plan and they're not going to have maybe the same tendency, so that part of it change. You may know the talent level, the skill, but you don't know really what they're going to do, because everybody changes from game to game to game. So I don't know that

playing him a second time makes a big difference. I mean, Nate can tell you you had to sometimes end up playing three times, right Holdelphia in the Playfay. This is where it gets you. Most coaches go a four game block. They don't want to go past four games because they figured if you changing, it's only about two teams in the league or three teams in the league can do what New England do. New England would change like a million or most teams can't do that. Even Kansas City,

they don't do a whole lot of different change. You go back and look at the rams, they ain't changing a whole lot. But what coaches are doing is stay within that four game block. But at the same time, coaches are looking at themselves, what have we done? So that's why I say they'll run seventy percent of that offense the same and then thirty percent of They may give you with formations or they may give you some wrinkles, you know, but I know who Fletcher Cox is and

ain't much he can do on third and five. You can do a game? Are you coming at yea? Because situation of football brings you the back of what you know. Because what's Mickey, what is? What scared us coaches more than anything is to try something new and not with it right. Yeah. So a lot of coaches try something new, but as soon as they see it going haywire, we'll

get rid of Paul Alexander and bring in another. But when you are facing that team that second time, then is it more on the coaches to shift up the scheme a little bit or the players have to I just have to execute better because they know me and any of them. They have advanced scout that you know, you've been up in the press box where you see the other team. Guys up there, Mick, you see it all the time where you see the other team. They have advanced scout and said, wow, you know the Cowboys

are doing something a little bit different. You know, uh this game here, they did this, they did that, and Van this is totally different than last time. So now the coaches work on that, but they ain't gonna spend a whole lot of times and hey, man, dat n did this is different? This is different different. They can't work on all of it the practice. Ain't that loan to league? Doing a lot of a normal at two

hours and fifty minute practice. Yeah, Sometimes I think teams just run a play, yeah, set it up for the next week, and it's like, oh, we saw what they did on that trick plate. Now I got to spend five minutes. Yeah, and you waste five minutes because they ain't gonna run it again. It's just the show, right, And then it cost you to if you run a sweep option, end around pass or whatever, it's like, okay,

we gotta practice that now. See, because this is what I had problems during the year, trying to during the summer time, always trying to absorb these big as big play almost cussed these big playbooks. But as soon as the season start, we had like twenty five run plays at the most, and that's over over stating it. We'll have maybe ten run plays and now the past plays that will be different. But that was for the wide receivers.

We just only had to worry about protections. So we have four or five protections and now I'm sitting happy because I'm like, Wow, I'm glad we're over trading cap. You know what I'm saying, because all these new plays, this is who we are. Well, the Cowboys have a bigger playbook now, and their weekly playbook gets bigger than what hours was. So these guys got to know all

of this. But still you have staple plays. Especially when we were winning them first eight weeks when we were looking real bad, they had like maybe twenty play Like, let's get good at these twenty plays. So now when the teams say, oh, we knew what it was gonna run, yeah, because we was a bad team, Well we're running them same plays with a little bit more formations. Now we get Now what makes us god, i mean, nobody was open. Well, what makes our guys open now is Cooper can play

the slot on both sides. Cooper can play both outside. He goes in motion. So that that's why Tonio Brown running wide open. That's why uh uh, the kid from Atlanta running because you can't cover every position they're gonna play. Well, that's why we was it was easy for us to cover days that in his career, right, nice, And that was on him, Yeah, that was not on the coaching staff him. You know, it was on the coaching staff because they should at least made him have an option,

but he didn't want an option. So, well, boys, we've reached one thirty. I can't you should get remote Mickey's show tonight. Mickey's got a show tonight. Micky's got on Cowboys Legend show, uh tonight, and our guest will be homegrown Patrick Crayton. Nice up in the Cowboys Club. You know what man I showed you? Well, I remember me and Mickey should do that show together? Yeah, me, Mickey? Who it was? Who it was? Always? Bill was me and you for a while there. Yeah, and then Bill came. Yeah,

Bill barged in on Nate. Nate would get that crowd stirred up at all. It didn't matter what we had was winning season, a losing season. We'll be having some bo We went from Hooters to Buffalo wild Ways to promote it up to the to the Gay Lord and now Cowboys Club, great high tone. Now Rayton is not afraid to speak his mind. No, I don't know what he's up to these days. It'll be interesting. Tune in and yeah a little bit, we'll find that out. Nice,

all right, later on this very channel. Very good, all right, sir, Well, Mickey, thanks for coming in. Sure, this was fun. Thanks for thanks. Glad to be on our award winning talking to her. You go. Thank you, Adam Douglas, Thank you for doing your magic back there, and we're trying to poke the bear over here with Mickey. You don't appreciate that, that's all right, can't. Thanks for doing what you do. Everybody else back there helping us out. Nate. I appreciate it,

my man. We'll be right back tomorrow. Shannon. I hope you're feeling better. Get you. I'll get you on this side, okay, all right, I hope you feel better, Shannon. Thank you very much. We'll see you tomorrow. This is good. A production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club