Hangin' with the Boys: Voluntarily Attendance

degrees outside and cloudy feels like fifty eight. It's a high of sixty seven, low of fifty seven tonight. And no one in this room can hear? Can the people hear us out here? Because we here we go. I gotta yeah, I gotta skin hear us? Man, we were good Man's we got we got shot. You dressed like an fine on the billboys shopping in place. Hey Hey, hey a Kurt got on a night shirt. I'm the only one they did with the cowboy But cowboy man representative, Jesse,

are you with us? I'm here? Man, all right? What do you got on the shirt today? Fellas? I can't see this far? Yeah? What you got on today? What you got on your shirt today, brother Jesse? It says at at from CD Lamb. Well, we can't hear. As we're getting into table. We'll take Jesse off and the rest of us as talk. You can't hear Jesse hear. His shirt says at at CD Lamb. Okay, at CD Lamb, all right, at all right, yeah, as we'll get a

closer as we'll get a closer to the draft. You know, reminds me of what happened last year in the draft when CD got drafted by the Cowboys and the camera's panning to him and that second cell phone ray. Oh yeah, your girlfriend picked it up and he snatched it. He said, yeah, don't do that with the quickness. With the quickness there's shirt. Did you get that made? Jesse? I did? Yeah, I did. I had to get this made. That's awesome, man, that

is awesome. I love it. I love it. You have like a T shirt, guy, because you have a lot of like homemade T shirts. Right, I have a T shirt gal Gal, Okay, there you go. We need some hang with the Boys T shirt. Yeah, come, let's let's work on that. I'll pay for one. I'll support the calls. I'll support local owned business. Yeah, just tell them to what do? What do you want to get? Man? We can get it. We can get it done up. I don't know. We need to get with Chris and work

on that. We'll figure that out. We'll get We'll get mad. I love Chris Man. He always take care of me. Man. Let me look at Chris. Just bounced and we had some technical difficulties and Chris ran in here. Yes we have he Yatt, Nate hooked up, got the fat man, hooked the big man. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna call you that the fat man. Well, you know what's one word like you said, one word word fat man gonna get me? Then me and Din Sounds will never

be friends. No, he Hey, I'm Nate doing you Din Sound? He's like, now you fat man? I said you rat man? Okay, phat though right, he's a rat man. Yeah, rat man. You look like Mickey. Hey, Chris, let's get a let's get a look at the plaza. You got that plaza. Look since we missed it at the first of the show, because it's nice and nice and homey. Look live. Look at Tostito's Championship Plaza the Star here in Frisco. Sign work out there, little sign work going on, not a

lot of not a lot of action. Is it raining out there? Just it's a little cloud. It's a look cool. They're cool, Chris, can you new choice? Chris? I gotta echo, man, We got all kinds of stuff going. Man, I'll tell you what. Man, If Jesse come back in the office, we can we can all get together on one of them, one of court. You have no no, no One's Jesse show is every Thursday. Please please come in Jesse next Thursday, April the twenty second at eleven thirty. Be here about

eleven fifteen. Because we know how you like. See if it works. It would be good to get the game back to you. You know what, if you come out here next week, let's all go grab lunch after the show. We haven't we haven't broken bread in a long time. That would be nice. Since we can't see. You just messed the whole deal of what I do. What I do. We have a broken bread and broke break bread, man,

just say break bread. Have a broken bread, dude. I'm trying to overcompensate my country hic accent with proper, proper grammar. So let me. You made my brain scramble extra to getting that in. You know, don't do that all right? Oh man, I'll tell you what. Let's jump into the off season program. Yes, because we Jesse sent us a tweet from it was Ian Rappaport about the memo that came out from the league. What are they doing different?

Is anything different this year than what they've done previously with all season stuff? Yes, big time pandemic. It is big time. It's like, well, the first month of it is virtual, so they're going to continue with some of the virtual stuff after that. In June, it's supposed to kind of go back to normal with OTA's Mini camp and then a break before training camp. But that the big issue I think is not really what's changing. It's the reaction to what's changing. Yes, yes, the reaction to reaction.

You know what, what year did coach John's come in nineteen eighty nine nine, And just think coach Johnson came in in eighty nine ninety and by ninety two this program that they're taking away is who where he instituted for the whole league. So he started he started that, yes, sir, he started official off season training and he said it was voluntary, and uh, it was never voluntary as Troy voluntary.

Yeah yeah, I think how long he lasted. Yeah. So it's amazing how one guy come in with a concept and how the whole league jumped on it and take advantage of it, because this is how we used to do it before coach Johnson came in. Jesse, you're being quiet? What I know you gotta take on this. Yeah, well, I mean the biggest thing with this is is as fans, right, as media people, we're always looking for some sort of coverage.

We're always looking for some sort of story, and we don't get that when people are doing things and an abnormal way, zoom call away from the facility because we've been so conditioned. I am on the same boat with with with Nate is this is how I've always been programmed that it would run. It would always run many camps ota and I never had the luxury to be able to like, well, I'm not showing up to offer the workouts for whatever reason. No, I had to be there for a moti of the reasons. One I was

trying to make the team too. I ain't that a little bit of money that they give you when you come to those offers and workouts, and I'll take it. I needed all of it. I needed a yeah, I need is a little bit more for me, but I needed all of it. I needed all that money that they was going to try to give me for those officers and workouts, uh and three to get back in shape. And things have transitioned and they have changed over time.

You have so many more like when thinking about when Nate played, right, when Nate played, there wasn't you know personal trainers like that and workout facilities and all the different programs. And as the years went on, you have guys now who if you don't have a personal trainer, if you don't have a trainer that you work with one on one, whether that be weight training or position specific training, then you're you're basically a dinosaur because everybody

has that. All these guys have somewhere where they go and get that training done on a personal level, one on one level, or a small group level. And so the days of having to come in and wanting to do workouts in the facility are kind of non existent because of those factors, because of guys having off season homes and being in other cities. They can take their training with them whenever they go. They can go to Cabo or you know, and have a guy come out

there and be with them for weeks. They can go to Miami or California. So that part has changed. But the thing for us is we get our stories and we get our juice, and we get all our stuff from people actually having to be in the building. We get to see guys, see their development, what are they doing,

get little hints and clues about what's happening. But most importantly, when you see how this team played last year and you're saying, wait, we had communication issues, we had fundamental issues, we had alignment assignment issues, we had personnel issues, I want it and make It's been on this for at

least three or four months. I want the guys in the building so I can get my hands on them, so I can work with them, whether that's in a walk through setting, a job through setting, a meeting setting, whatever type of setting. But I want to get away. I want to get away from this zoom because it

is so difficult. And this might be the one thing I'll say negative against my guy freakie Mike for all the stuff that freakye Mike sett in the beginning and his whole you know documentary that he did about changing in technology. I find it hard to believe that he's figured out a way to do coaching football virtually. He just doesn't come from that school. He doesn't come from that world where coaching football players and football schemes and all that kind of stuff. He didn't come from a

place where you do that virtually. He come from a place where you do that physically on the field, hands on the guys, moving them, seeing the move this whole virtual thing. He's not in that Psalm McVay mode of coaching where technology is something that is in the forefront of their mind. He's from the old school and he's won that way and his foundation is that way where you go and you get on the field doing it.

And I think when every moment that you take him off of the field and make him have to do things virtually, I think more and more and more that is going to hurt this football team, and not only this team, but other coaches in the league who have to you know, who have to coach that way. You know what's amazing is handsOn b Yeah, there's some background. Yeah, I ain't good and it' I'm gonna keep them trying to talk over my fat self. Anyway. You cannot have a team play as bad as we did last year

and not more your hands on them. Our players. Oh, I don't want to say this in the wrong way. Over the last three or four years, our defensive players have not shown to be able to adjust to game situations because the coaches say we want them to play fast. And what it says in a kind of ugly way is that our guys when we make small adjustments to different formations and different movements, they ain't smart enough to

catch you on. And I'm not saying every guys like that, but for your whole team now to back up two and three steps, even eight nine weeks into the season, that does not bowl as well. And as coach McCarthy said during his little quick press conference, is I'm still trying to get the guys in here that I like and that I want, and that is up here, and

it's whether it's physically being smart. And I hate to say that about our players, and but that's obvious about the last coaching said that we had and they played basically one or two fronts, two or three coverages, and they played fast, but they wasn't good physically. Okay, we took these basically the same group of guys and trying to play fast again with multiple fronts, and it didn't work. So I would like for the guys to be here, especially guys that are on the bubble. Don't y'all fall

for this, y'all. Make sure y'all over it up working out, y'all, make sure y'all come in here. What do you think? I guess what's behind this? I guess? I mean, in some ways, I feel like they're using COVID as an excuse to either, well, I guess, to not work out. And is it a fact that you know negatively or is it something where the players just don't don't care

if they don't learn it soon enough. Or is it more like a long term thing where the union is like trying to negotiate, saying, if you want us there, you're gonna have to give us more money. They're going to give more money. The owners are not going to give more money because what what they what they have done is they conceded, They conceded things that was voluntary anyway, and that players were basically doing for free anyway, Okay, we don't need you, we need you doing the mini camp,

we need you doing OTAs. And as we talked off Aron Kurt, who this is gonna hurt. It's them bubble guys, the studs and the stars, like Jess talked about a few weeks ago last week, they're gonna get their money, yeah, and get the money. Yeah. So uh, they gonna you know, it ain't mandatory that they don't come in just you know,

so they're gonna come in and do their thing. And those bubble guys, I'm telling you that a coach you're looking at like wow, you know this rookie seemed to be just the same guy because you ain't getting to look at them a long period of time. I was an overweight guy and I needed to be here. I had to be here, you know. I was one of the first guys people not to have a trainer to help me lose weight, to get help me stay in control. But when I wasn't here, there wasn't it wasn't there

in Frauda, I was here. You have to be somewhere. That's structure a lot of these guys we see after their careers, they'll be like, wow, that's you. You know you look at the player like wow, man, you play dB. You look like they go one way or the other. Yes, they either up yet slim. Yeah, so well then why I guess the um? I mean? Nick even reported on the website that almost twenty Dallas players have bonuses built

into being here in the off season working out. So if you've got and those are the top guys, obviously, So if you got your top guys making money, if they're here, and you got your bottom guys needing to be here, if they want a job, why are players not? Why are they talking about not working out? The virtual thing? That's the nature of the beasts of America. You know you you think you get it. Oh oh man, I don't have to be there, and I'll just you know, I can work out on my own. And some guys

are just driven like that. Jesse was driven like that. I wasn't driven like that. So guys like me, you need to be weary, uh, your posse or your or your wife or whoever you hang always Hey, hey man, we ain't got no off season of money. You need to get up in there and get get us some money because a lot of guys, I'm telling your coaches are funny. When they see guys, they trust guys. When they don't see guys in that scale go wrong or you're not moving as well. When you get back to them,

like what what have you been doing? So now they got they mine got to go another place. You know, coaches were much like players. They got set things how they want things to do. And like, uh, Jesse said, that was new, that was it was new for everybody, but that was new for coach mccarth to come in from off the streets into virtual What are they what are they allowed to do? Now? Can they work out? Now? They can't coming together? Yeah, captain's workouts yea, where it's

player run more or less. You know, you can't have coaches at Martin's running the offensive line and the strength guys I think can be on hand, but none of the one you know a football staff can be there.

I bumped into a coach yesterday in the hall and I kind of floated what Nate, you and Jesse have said, how how much they missed being together last year and having offseason workouts, And they agreed one hundred percent they were like, yeah, I said, because you said, I said, you know you saw the defense starting to pick it up towards the end of the year, because, in my opinion, they were starting to figure it out, you know, things

started clicking. And he was like, yeah, like, we definitely missed not being together last year, and this year you're going to see a huge difference because they're going to be able to spend that time together. But it sounds like some of these teams Kurt you put on here, Seattle, Denver, Tampa Bay, Detroit, New England have all said that they're not going to take part in Volutaria, at least some

of their players have said they're not gonna. Yeah, that's good and well man, but I'm telling you, coaches have a fun way on that. It's like from players twenty five on down, the coaches control totally. Players twenty five and up. You kind of got management sticking their hands on you because of the money, because of who they are. But that twenty five, twenty seven and thirty player on down coaches looking at you, Jesse, You've bet that'd be

one of those guys. Yeah, Jesse, how much did these offseason workouts help you in terms of getting them a job. How did you hear that last part? Kurt said, again, as far as you know, how much did these offseason workouts help you in getting a job and getting noticed? Because when coach Wade or Coach care or coach Sherman look out their office window, who they see the dreadhead kid out there running sprints out there running routes um

the weight room. Because all these coaches and you guys know you guys walk through the weight room and you'll see a coach on the staron Madison. You'll see a coach getting a lift, and you'll see a coach in the sign, and you'll see a coach in the hotel or the cotel or the training room. A lot of times they're doing that. But to Nate's point, they're walking around us saying, okay, who is serious about football? And coaches all want to know you here in the interview process.

Now when it comes to the combine and the draft and all that kind of stuff, they want football players who are serious about football. Now, those upper eche line dudes, yes, they want them serious about football as well. But because there's so much money into those guys, you gotta just deal with those guys and hope that you got you found good guys. But like Nate was saying from twenty eight twenty nine, thirty down, I need to know that these guys are here and are serious about football, because

that rounds about my roster. Those are guys who complete my football team. Those are the glue pieces on my roster that keeps things together. And if I can get a majority, you're not going to get everybody. But if I can get majority of the guys who I know that are buying into the system, who are buying into the workouts to do what we're supposed to do. Now I'm a head of curve. And if I can get majority of the guys to buy in from that lower tier and some of the guys to buy in from

that upper tier, I got a decent football team. And now would end up happening is those guys who aren't bought in, those guys who aren't who really aren't a part of the team, they now begin to stick out like a sore thumb, and they're easily to identify. Now when you identify, and what do you do with them? Do you just deal with them? Do you trade them? Do you cut them? Do you replace them, whatever that

may be, but you you're able to identify. For a guy like me, it helped me tremendously because I came in I was in the best shape coaches saw me there. If I had questions, I would go into the coach's office and ask questions. And that's like you know they tell you in school, Hey, you want to get brandy points with your professor, go to his you know, his office hours, go to her office hours and ask questions and be and let them know that you're engaged in

their class. When they're doing their grades and your grade might be a seventy five, you might just get that seventy eight or that eighty, or you're trying to move up two or three points. And it's the same thing for football. It's not brown nosing. It's really taking, you know, a serious concern about your craft and about a job. You ain't snitching nobody out, but you're showing them every single day that I am committed to this team, I am committed to work, I am committed to getting better.

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Is Joey's shooting a draft from the yacht or is he going to get you know? I would? I don't know. That's a great question, but I think they're I think they're loosening up some of the COVID protocols, so I think they're allowed to be in the building this year. So I don't know what what capacity or anything, but I'm guessing he'll be be on hand. If I could do a draft from a yacht, I might. I wouldn't just choose that I would, But you know what, he

can do anything he wants from that yacht. I'm sure he can take a break and come here for the draft. So can we can we ask Chris Beam a question? What was Beam? Was Chris Beam a part that team that had to set up all of the internet telephone type stuff from the yacht to whatever networks it was shooting at Chris Ban when you when you were part of that, that would be a negative. You didn't get that call, you didn't get the trip to the Bahamas or whatever. Oh man, I thought you. I thought you were.

I thought you were had more pull than that Chris. They probably sent Jay. I thought we're gonna be to give us some insight on what all it took to get that, to get all that production. Tell you what. That would have been fun to go to go be on the yacht. But can you imagine the stress of being the guy, yeah, to keep it that guy, to keep that connected and being on call twenty four seven. Yeah, Oh my goodness. I there's some jobs you just don't want.

I don't think you want that, man, that would be great. I don't want that, yall at least five dude, even if you were on that yacht in the Bahamas or Italy or wherever it was at like I the stress from that, Yeah, you're right, that would aid you five years. I'm I'm out. Probably a little bit of a draft moment. That probably aged you a little bit of a couple of years ago, didn't you When we tweeted out the

phone number to the to the draft war room phone. Yeah, um yeah, I mean it happened so fast and we corrected it so quick. It really wasn't that big of a deal. But yeah, it could have It could have been really bad. It could have been really really bad. Thank goodness. We have a great it staff that fixed the problem, changed the number, got the number new number to the league, all in time before our draft pick. If it would have happened closer to when we were picking,

it would have been really bad. But yeah, it wound up not being quite that bad. So yeah, that's good times. I blame James Smith, our photographer, for sending us that picture. It wasn't our fault. What a million dollar blunder. That wasn't That's what might have been a career. And I heard though that it happened. It happened soon enough, So for those of you that don't know, I guess it was what three years ago, Kurt, Probably three years ago.

We have a photographer in the war room and we always put out pictures of how it's set up, and you know, everybody that's in there, and James, our team photographer, does a really great job of making sure things don't go out that aren't supposed to that he doesn't get

shots of the video board. Well, the last thing we're thinking is the phone number on the digital phone shows up, and some of course that our fans, you know, saluting everything, zoom in on the phone and you could read, you could vaguely read the number to the war room, and we tweeted it out in a little group of four pictures of the war room and that was one of them.

And the phone starts ringing. Random guy called, random Guy calls, and then the phone starts ringing again, and then it rings again, and they said, I wasn't in there, but I that like Steven. Actually they kind of started laughing about Steven picked the phone up and was like, you know,

Papa John's pizza, you know, Dallas Police Department. By making kind of jokes, which, thank goodness, we have a ownership group that understands we're going to make mistakes on social media and supports us and tells us to keep going. But that, yeah, that could have been really, really bad. So but it wasn't. Think it's all funny games. All right,

let's move on. Bradley Carter, he tweeted us, right, Kurt, Yeah, he tweeted us and what do you want to know, Kurt, Well, he just had some questions about the seventeen game schedule that he wanted to throw at us UM. First one, there's three I guess here. First one was will they bring in a second bye week? The second one is will they expand the roster and practice squad to make

up for this extra game? And the last one is do you think we're gonna see more players like being pulled from games early to save them, Like the Cowboys are blowing out somebody with Dak Prescott sit out the fourth quarter, It wouldn't hurt nothing. I mean if they blow if they've blowing them out and we and we have the right team other not. You know, giving a guy break or rest that that that never hurts that

that that never hurts it. Just like if you're good enough to be ahead in your division and you're resting the guy, but it ain't no difference in resting the guy at the end of the year. You know what you think, Jess, You may have a different opinion as a receiver, skill guy. No, I always think about numbers. Guys want their numbers, and if I'm blowing the team out, I'm not thinking about coming off the field and a

regular season game. I'm thinking about, let's keep padding my stats because you know, oddly enough, a seventeen game season, you know we're gonna have this year, We're gonna have a lot of records broken. We're gonna have a lot of catches records broken, touchdown records, broken, Russian records, broken, receiving records broke. Someone will probably pass for six thousand yards this year when you had a whole other game

at least fifty five hundred yards. So you know, when I'm thinking about this, I'm thinking about I want to be the first person to say, you know, hey, I passed for fifty five hundred yards, I passed for six thousand yards. I passed for fifty plus touchdowns. Oh, I had one hundred and whatever catches, or I had two thousand plus. You know, I beat Eric Dickerson's you know,

rushing record for the season. Because now all that now is and you know, people may say, well the record doesn't stand because they did it in sixteen, you did it in seventeen. Whatever. I want that And at the end of the day, do I have some incentives that needed to be met right at the end of at the end of the year. Does my contract we talked about all season workouts, what about my postseason contract. Does it say that if I make the playoffs, I get

a bonus? Well, because it said that, you know, if I pass for forty touchdowns, I get a bug, you know, or if I catch ten touchdowns, or if I rush for fifteen hundred yards or whatever it may be. No, don't take me off the field. Let me go out there and get my number. Because at the end of the year, when we get to week seventeen, if we're if we have a substantial lead on a division, and we're up a few games, you're probably gonna sit me

anyway then. And I would hate to be, you know, seventy yards away from it, eighty yards away from it, two touchdowns away from it, whatever it may be, and I have to sit the last game of the year. Nope, I'm taking everything right now up front. So I think a lot of guys gonna and they do, and we'll continue to think that way. Well, obvins a linement or

have a choice. You're starting five or six guys, you you know, coaches don't trust you know, that's that's there there for the receiver, in for the change office, a linement. They just do not want those sacks and they do not want to hit so on the quarterback. Whether it's a startup, backups or we played through the whole game season anyway the majority of the time. Well, they need to expand the roster, you think, because we're just gonna

be more wear and tear on the guys. Now, they took away a preseason game, and you see right here the union is making it where their owners gonna be giving up too much in nothing, you know, but they're trying to take the union. Okay, you're trying to take away this. Okay, we're gonna keep the rest. The NFL will trying to keep the rest. Now. I don't know how strong our union think they are, but they may push right today to an only to stop pushing back.

What do you think about a second bye week? You think eventually they'll institute a second bye way, don't check the revenue. If the revenue stay second bye week, they'll do it. And there's no what do yall guys think about? Do you think an eighteen game season is imminent? Because now you're gonna have every year you're gonna have either one extra home game or one extra way game. They've got it at some point even that out right where

you have equal amount of home games. I don't think they can though, till the next CBA comes up, and the seventeen game one was I think negotiated into the last contract where the NFL had that opportunity. I don't think that right now. I mean, I guess they could go in earlier and figure something out, but I don't think they have the ability to just say, Okay, now we're doing eighteen. They know how to go back in

and negotiate it on the next deal. So it may be we may be with this for that deal was ten years we maybe it's seventeen, didn't didn't I read something a week or two ago that said they're gonna start having a mandatory game outside of the US every team has to play one. Did I read that or did I dream that up? Now there's something. I don't know the exact rules of it, but every team is supposed to play um overseas or I guess it could be in Mexico or something. Maybe that's part of what

this is. Everybody has a game out of the country, and then you still have equal amount home and away games, although one of them that game would have to be home and away for somebody. But the revenue, you know, the revenue as far as home versus away would still match ups. Yeah, I think that's a team like the Cowboys. Everything. You know, a team like a Cowboy makes Cowboys make so much money off their home revenue that you know

they're they're hesitant to go overseason like that. But this this probably gives our friend Jamie and others in England a better chance to maybe see the England or I've heard great Britain, Brazil, Germany, Mexico would probably Mexico. Mexico would be a huge game for us. That's probably where we would go. If I had to guess us in the Raiders in Mexico, that would be huge, huge, although I'd prefer to play the Raiders in Vegas. Well you would, yeah, yeah,

I sure would? All right? Thanks? Every eight years, by the way, Shannon, every eight year, every yeah, Humbrey team has to play an international game every eight years. Game got you, okay? And I believe it also works for the Super Bowl. If you want to host a Super Bowl, you have to give up. You have to give up a home game to an international game if you want to host a Super Bowl, Now, got you? Okay? All right, well, thank you very much Bradley Carter for tweeting that to us.

I think that was yesterday. So all right, where should we go with this? Let's go here, Kurt. This is a great question that Kurt posed in his pre game his pre show notes. What if we talked about if Kyle Pitts was there at ten? And I think we all agreed that you gotta take that guy if he's there at ten? Right, I think we were all unanimous with that, because what you backing up up on that? I never said I would definitely draft Pitch, but go ahead. You know I got a draft for needs, you know.

All right? Well, I thought we were unanimous. I guess we weren't. So three three to one. What if the best player on the Cowboys? What hell this? You just answered this question before I asked it. What if the best player on the Cowboys board still left at ten, as a wide receiver like Jamar Chase, would you trade down?

Would you would you draft him even though he's a receiver, because he's the best player, has the best grade on your board or do you go with need because we we've been hearing, you know, the last few years, you draft the best player on your board, right, whatever his grade is, whoever he is, if he falls to you, whatever they did last year, right, But then there's the would you get another receiver even though Jamar Chase is supposed to be, you know, really good? What would Kurt

wouldn't take a receiver? You trade back? Yeah? I think I would try to trade back because you you would have some of those defensive guys available. Still, I mean, at some point there has to be a breakoff. I mean, you just you can't draft a quarterback this year. You can't draft a receiver. You mean you Yes, it's nice to say best player available, but there are some you know, hit the brakes. We can't do that, you know, is there? I think so? I think quarterback obviously? Yeah, running back.

I don't think there's any way in hell you draft a running back. No, And I think we're receiver falls into that group too. Okay, what do you think, Jesse Jamar Chase? You're taking him? Or are you trading back? No? If I'm at ten? Yeah, and no corners there and no offensive lineman is there, I trade back if I mean, I don't. I don't think Jamar Chase is a game changer enough for me on this team to stay there and take him at ten. Kyle Pitts, that's a horse

of a different color. I think he's generational talent um. And if you know one of the top corners aren't there a horn or certain isn't there at ten, then I try trading back, and you know, I pick up some picks and I may get a guy later on in the first round. Nate, Wow, Wow, what were two weeks away? What we talk about when you're talking a little bit more to tense about offensive player talk two weeks away? You said this two months ago. Then you let me tell you, tell us name, tell us. I

don't want to hear it. It's guys good enough to be drafted at that tenth spot, and you don't have to draft. You probably have to fall back no more of that three or four spots to get a guy what you really want. And ain't nobody giving up a second or third, so you may get a fourth, mourth

fifth for that pig. Maybe let's get the best guy defensively within with if they if they ain't more than two or three spots, but they just get that guy, because I would just hate to be sitting in five months from now, all of us without head now not only got a sixteen and old y'all got the team going eight and eight, and we've fallen apart because because you traded back three spots. That's a good thing. That's a good thing about that seventeen seventeen when you make

you worse on the winning side. So whenever that record, maybe Brother Jess and the rest of y'all, we have to drift eight defensive player that can impact us. We have to sign guys that can impact us. And so last year taught me a valuable less. Unless I see film on one of these guys that we I haven't seen a number of highlight film all these guys we got in free agency. You know, until I see something on that field, I ain't making no moves draft some

guys would draft some guys. What do you think mel Kiper's latest mock draft. He had the Dallas the Dallas they had. He had the Cowboys trading down to fifteen with the Patriots. Patriots to jump up draft a quarterback. Cowboys would still get Jac Horne at fifteen and leave they would pick up twenty twenty two first round or this is mel Kipers. That ain't a bad move. But if you if you are sured of getting Jac Horner, you are the kid from from bound. If you are

sured of getting there, that's one thing. But from the guy I talked to who kind of no corners, he's saying, even though we have some good corners in this draft, this ain't a year where it's just dominant corners. He don't think none of these guys are dominant. Jess, I wanted to get your opinion on that. Is anyone these guys that you've seen dominant. I probably need to check with some of my draft vuruos running. Are these guys game changing guys? Are they just guys that fall into

that tenth and level the twelfth slot. I think after these two guys Certain and Horn that it's a kind of a drop off. You might see some safeties, you know, some some kind of free safeties that you know may still have some skills. But as far as the cornerback position, um, if we're talking about step in ready to go right now, these are the top two guys to do so. And if you're talking about just overall polished, Certain is a

little bit more polished than Horn is. Horn is still a little bit of a working progress, has a ton of upside. Uh, Certan is more can step in, can you get ready to go? Can fit into the scheme right now. But I always just think about what is

dan Quinn going to do? Like what is he wants to he wants to run a cover three defense, And the only way you're able to successfully run and cover three defense, and if you have the corner that will be able to be out there on that third and to be able to cover and come up and tackle, and so anything past that, you know you're now taking a gamble. I mean, it's a gamble anything, but your gamble becomes increasingly more higher the more that you have

to go into the draft. And you know, when you start looking at guys later on in the draft, I always think guys in like twenty something plus, those guys could have really been second rounders or third rounders that was pushed up into the first round. So outside of j C. J C. Horne and Certain, I think the drop off is significant for guys to come in and play right now. You and the Cowboys are looking for guys to come in and complete what they want to do on defense so they can go out and compete

right now for a championship. You know how I know I'm old when you grow up watching guys play in the league and their and their kids are getting drafted. Joe Horn and Patrick Certain I didn't know that that was their kids until about two weeks ago that their dads were because I grew up watching Joe Horn with the Saints, and then Patrick Curtain was you know, he was an elite. He was an elite dB in the league for several years and then I figured the curtain

went out. But then I was researching you know JC Horn, I was like, damn, that's Joe Hornes kid. Man. I'm like, I realized this a few years ago when we picked up Taco Charlton on the Cowboys bus from the airport and his parents were my age, and I was like, I'm gonna tell you something, whoever the Cowboys kid, they're gonna have to be an impact defensively, man, because we we we got it once again. We went out and got a bunch of guys which we don't know who

these guys are. You know, we know they've been rotation guys. You can't if you're gonna move back into draft. And

it's just just stated. If we've heard from broad as we've heard from all our draft experts here on these shows, that when you drafted in second and third round, and even though we may be hyping on these guys, these be guys that pushed up from the third round, the guys that where they failed in these positions because other guys were drafted at other positions of kneeds where it was a run on lineman or it was a run on on linebackers, and all of a sudden, Okay, Bob,

this is the next guy that falls there. And so it's gonna be this is gonna be, this science here gonna be. Yeah. What if it's not exactly in the case of the Patriots or any team or whatever. What if part of the package of moving down included a starting cornerback like if you know, the Patriots are rumored to be, you know, shopping Stephen Gilmore somebody like that, if he got money left on his contract, let's get him, if you know, but if he if he free, if

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Can you guys hear me? Yeah? We got you all right? Good? Thanks, big shout out to Chris for getting us go on Shanna to run off to a very important meeting because he's big time that or he's head into the bathroom with excluding diarrhea. I'm not sure which one is, but we got shifted around and adjusted here. Um. I don't have the reads, but hey, buy our two twenty twenty

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question too. This is kind of backing up to what something Jesse said earlier. This actually comes from Kate Clark upstairs. She's listening to us, and I actually don't know what I would do without Kay helping me out all the time. But Jesse, you had mentioned that McCarthy hasn't maybe figured out this virtual thing. He's an old school guy who is not used to it, and you know, so on and so on. But you know, if you look at last year's Super Bowl teams, you had Andy Reid in there,

who's sixty three. You had Bruce Arians, who's sixty eight. I mean, they don't get much more old school than those two, and those teams both had success. What do you think just a matter how low to answer to that with Jesse, Yeah, what do you think? What do you think's going on there? I know the answer to that would go ahead on my Fred riding. Well, well we'll start in Tampa. And you saw what Tom they were doing in Tampa, right. Tom Brady said, well, I

hear what y'are saying about. We had to do things virtually, but I'm at this high school field with my guys and we're gonna get this work in. And they got in trouble for it initially, but Tom Brady was getting that work in. While Bruce Arians may not have been able to get their hands on, he was able to send a message through Tom Brady. Tom Brady was able to get these guys lined up and ready to go,

So they had that leadership there. And then when you look at a team like Kansas City, that's a veteran team, so coming in, you know, those guys had a bunch of I think they had almost every start return that they had offensively and defensively last year and that team, so it wasn't much teaching them. They already knew the system.

They already knew what they had to do, They already knew their placement, they already knew the play calling, They already knew everything that you needed to know about, you know, what was going on in that thing. And then you had you had two of the best quarterbacks in the league. You know, the Cowboys would have fared a little bit better in the years had they had the starting back. That would have made up for some of the laughs they had in other places. But Bruce Arians he had

Tom Brady, he had a bunch of other veterans. Andy Reid, he had Patrick Mahomes and a roster of twenty two guys on the starting defense and offensive side of the ball that was already in his system. So these guys

knew what to do already. So not having them in the offseason and being able to put your hands on it was different for a guy like Mike McCarthy who didn't know this team, didn't know this roster out of a couple guys of his own, was coming from another system, didn't know how where players fitting, so on and so forth. So he was coming with the with the with the magnitude of different circumstances, opposed to Tom Brady saying, here's the offense that we're gonna run. Hey, meet me out

at this high school football field. Let's get all this stuff done. And I'm not saying that the other guys and the Cowboys didn't do so, but they were learning everything new. And you know, in Kansas City was Kansas City. That team was built, ready to go. They just needed to start dating. I agreed, I got new the answer to that one. But friend, you know, and I'm not saying other coaches in the league didn't look at other teams, but coach McCarthy, believe it or not, he came right

off the street. He came right off the street. And the main thing we were talking about it at the end of the year was culture. Can we get a culture change? And the biggest way to getting the cultures change. This guys seeing their success by what they're doing on the field. These guys like, yeah, I got it, Yeah I got it. On paper, they got it. They drawing the lines, but they need to go on the field

wide open second decisions. A lot of guys weren't making them, yeah, and they were blowing coverages, they were blowing assignments, and so they needed to have their hands on these guys. Well, I would think going it now into this second year of potential virtual offseason workouts, that you would think the offense would be pretty said. You've got Kellen Moore back again, most of the major players are back, that sort of thing.

But on defense, you now have another new defensive coordinator, third third one in three years, I think you've signed ten free agents and what like seven or eight of them or defensive guys. Are they going to run into the same problems, Well, well, this year differently, they will have some time to kind of you know, get on the field, get around some guys. At least guys can

be in the building. You can sit down and kind of talk to some guys showing and so forth, and you have a little bit better handle of virtual learning. You know again, like Nate was saying, he can't right off the street. All these guys this is the first time they had to deal with technology and this way, shape or form. So they got a little bit under

their belt. But when you look at the way that the the CBA has, you know, has written it out and the league has written it out for off of the program to go, you'll have some time where you get a chance. Remember there was there was literally no ot age. There were no anything, no mini camps, nothing last year. You will at least get some of that this off season so that you can look at guys and get on the feeling, work with guys and see

how guys fit in your system. So it helps a little bit that you gotta gear under your belt, learning virtually players and coaches, and then not you'll able you'll be able to get back on the field and do something physically at some point in time in the spring because I unlike last year, Okay, they have a week on the field on May seventeenth, and they had come back again, they have four weeks of OTAs in many camps.

That's from May twenty fourth of June eighteenth. They didn't have none of that last year, yeah, you know, and none of it man. And so even though the players, you know, like I'm saying, guys like me, I need I needed those off season to work and to get in shape, Jess just explained that he needed and he

saw the benefit you know a lot of these guys. Man. Yeah, you turn this thing back into a veteran thing because coach is gonna trust veterans more than they do young guys, you know, So it's back into the into their court now for its veteran players. Nice. Well, other question I wanted to throwout you and Jesse. This might be directed more to towards Ju, but Nate you would know as well.

Listen to one of our local radio stations here the other day and they had kind of interesting theory that today's game, you're starting to see more impact from smaller wide receivers. They're becoming more valuable than these you know,

gigantic six foot four guys. Maybe not more valuable than them, but they're, in their own writer, creating more value based on mainland because some of the rule changes in such that speed and quickness be able to move in and out is maybe becoming a bigger, bigger, asset than just pure size. I went and looked at Kyle Yeoman, who did our draft rankings for our Draft Guide this year. He had thirty of his thirty top wide receivers thirteen or under six foot which is forty three percent. That's

a pretty good, pretty good amount there. And then of that thirty also six were only five foot nine and three of those were in his top ten, which is pretty shocked by I mean that that's a that's a pretty small player. Do you do you think wide receivers is changing some and in how they're using them and then in the size needed. Yeah, the league is always changing.

Remember least have to where it was always twelfth personnel, right, Nate, Right, it's always you know, twenty one personnel, or you know there's always two tight ends, a fullback. We don't have fullbacks anymore. I remember when ninety percent of the time you were you were under center. Now you're predominantly a shot none um. I remember when the wave of tall wide receivers were kind of coming into that Liar Fitzgerald two thousand and five sixtis you know era where the

tall receivers were coming in. I remember when everybody had to go get a dominant running back. Now they're saying running backs are dinosaurs. Don't pick one in the first round, don't pick one in the second round. You can get you know, two later in the fifth round. So it's just the league doing what it does. It changes, it changes, and I remember when you didn't go for on third downs and you punt it, and you know, all these different things that the league is forever evolving and changing,

and this is this is the new wave. The small slot receiver has emerged and is becoming a more valuable asset in the team's offense because now you want to have that guy control the middle of the football field because defensive guys they're getting bigger, stronger, faster, and more athletics. So you have to be able to match that. You have to be one step ahead. You know. Now you got lineman running, you know, three hundred pound defensive lineman,

offensive linemen running forties and five seconds. You got linebackers running forties and four four four three, you got dbs. Everybody's running the four to three now, so I have to try to find advantages. And now the slot receiver is just the new wave of things that are happening for you know, the National Football League, and and it'll it'll, it'll, there'll be another change coming soon. You know, we're adding

seventeen games. Who else know what, you know, they're another position may come about and and things may be different in the next you know, another five years. So that just the way the game goes. You evolve when you die. And so now the NFL is evolving, and slot receivers have become a hot commodity in team's offenses. I guess we'll see that counteracted. We talked about it some last week, how big the slot corners all be coming in there?

I mean, you know, you know Jesse. Jesse said, well, Kurt, the thing, the thing is this, get the best player that fits your system and understands what you want. It still comes down to that, you know, it still comes down it's this five nine guy equal or you see potential that you see in this guy in Kansas City. That's who started it till Yeah. But see this is where everybody forgets. This is what everybody forgets. Tyreek Hill can catch. We used to see speed guys that couldn't

hold on to that ball. It, see Tyreek all he's worried about now is let's he get off the line, he just run wherever he won't. I don't know if you're a great route runner, but sometimes I just like, does that have a route? Just take off and go through a space. So I'm actually you just low as a guy could catch you get to his proper space. He all right, huh, let's speak killed speak killed man

can catch it. And you got a guy like Patrick Mahomes who can throw the ball seventy yards on the drop of a dime, You're gonna have a place in this league. And it kind of even goes back to Wes Welker, you know, he was kind of really the ones who really kind of put a stamp on those small slot receivers, him and Tom Brady starting that wave a couple of years ago. And then now you just see it again, Dad E volves West was a slow white guy who can move great quick you know, quick spaces.

And then now you just said that the you know, evolve, evolve, evolve, evolve, evolving. Now you got guys like Tyreek Hill, and you got guys um like like Cole Beasley who could play the slot you know, exclusively and just just tear you up. Julian Llelman, he just retired, comes from that West Welker kind of you know, underling. And there's a guy right at unt didn't who will be coming out who will probably be another guy and five nine guys, Devantage Smith

and guys like that. Man, they're gonna just keep coming and keep coming and keep coming, and the skill set's gonna get greater and greater and greater, and it'll be tougher and tougher to defend them and all that. Dude, Now all that will down, Now, dude, is birth the next level of guys who will be specific slot corners. You know you always wanted your Deans or your darrelle Revis is to shut down the outside. Right. Dean used to say, seventy five percent of the world is covered

by water. The other twenty five is covered by me. Now you're gonna need somebody's gonna be specifically able to stay in front of a guy like Tyreek Hill in the slot, to stay in front of a guy like Devontae Smith in the slot, Ceedee Lamb in the slot. These guys are gonna have to now become position specific slot shut down corners, because that's going to become a part of the game where teams quarterbacks offense according is

used much more. When I when I when I'm serious, man, when I when I look at Kansas City, as sharp as their quarterback is and as and as great as their system is, I see thirty percent of the time in a game when he's broken, broken contained or broken the pocket, he he just look around, man, and he go receivers just running everywhere. Well, yeah, it just turned into hey man, I'm opening. He got the strengthened the accuracy though, and it hits you, bro, and and when

you got to do that. I don't know how tall as kid is, but I've seen him one time get jammed stopped on the line, but three seconds later he was going seven yards with the ball. I'm like, wow, he just got a jammed on the line. So a speed always and always will kill. One night, when Jimmy came in, that was his big thing about the defense. It was too slow, and he was a pastor defense. I remember when Jimmy told a bunch of media guys,

he say, I am shocked. We did an overall team workout where he had us doing these specific drifts almost like uh, what they do at the combine and we're all out there running. And he told the guy as soon as he walked up the field they had about twenty reports. He said, my college team, my college defense as a whole, was faster than my pro defense. He said, that ain't happening. He said, no, this ain't nah. I think we had an average with like four eight nine.

And he's like, man, we were four seven his college guys with all the line with all the cornerback like, nah, this is too slow. Yeah, And he changed us, man, he changed us quick. Maybe this, you know, moving a can O'Neil from safety down to linebacker. Maybe that's the want to see, I really do. I ain't trusting no more and and and and my instinct because they were wrong last year. They were totally wrong. And I had people believing that we had automatic to stop the ring game,

and nobody hadn't put on any pads. And so I just want to see. If we don't stop the ring game, you can get all the corners you want. I'm just being on it. You can get all the corners and Saints as you want. If you don't stop the ring game, you can forget it. Bro can't be all a little and fast. You gotta have some big boys up front there. All right, Well, I think we've hit our time, actually went over our time limit here. Thank you guys today

for hanging out. Jesse, Oh you're looking good, looking good. Nate, Thank you very much. Chris, you're the MVP of this show today. You got us on the are before and during the middle, she said Channing as well. Always sorry you had to run off and leave us. But so you think he in the restaurant this long guys, man, he was hurting when he left here. I hope he washed his hands. He better. We might need to take that fabreeze into that bathroom. All right, we'll be back

out of next Thursday. Maybe we can talk j Jesse and joining us in the studio's eleven thirty. Be here by eleven o'clock today at eleven fifteen next Thursday, Jesse, so we can see if I can't work that in. Jesse is a busy man. All right, Thank you all for tuning in once again. We will be back next Thursday, eleven thirty on the Hanging with the Boys. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.