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it feels like eighty eight. Is the high as eighty eight and the low tonight is sixty eight degrees? And fellas, can you smell that? You smell it? Oh? I smell is? Just excuse me, I can't hear you, man, But I'm good. Do you smell it? Smell what football is in the air? Because the guys are right outside that window practicing as we speak. Yes, they are OTAs. The second day of OTAs going on. It's a third screwed up already two minutes into the show and already screwed up football is happening, Kurt,

have you watched any of it? No? Well, they just got started. They started just a little bit. Well, Kurt, you just inform me. It's the third day. You've had three day, two days to watch. Have you seen any of it? Jesse? Have you seen any of it? Jesse hadn't been in the building, Nate, have you seen any other I've seen like ten seconds of it? Okay, how was your ten seconds? It was great, man, if that's what I'm saying. I was walking through. I saw a

few guys out there moving around. Man, But I've been getting information. Have you and the main man looked good? That looked good. That's in the story, right, Let's right, let's yea. Let's go home. Yep, what about you miss ten minutes maybe fifteen in the building. You know what, they ain't got pads on and running around with new numbers on. I can't tell who's on defense. Who's we all think about that. Let's talk about that. Let's talk

about that. I I was not gonna go there in this show, but I have a I want to know. There's one person in this room that I want to know points Jesse, not Donna. So let's talk. First off, let's talk about just the overall we touched on it. Briefly earlier in the season when the news came out that they were able to change numbers. So how do you feel about you're you're a big number guy. How do you feel about the new numbers that are available? And do you like being able to do that? Yeah?

Why do you love it? Because, like, your number is a part of it becomes a part of who you are. Like once you get a number, and you get an established number, it's a part of who you are, your identity right somewhat your football it's your football identity. And I mean I wore number nine in high school. I demanded to happen number nine when I went to college. I've all I told you guys all about the story when Carolina Basketball took my number twenty four and gave

it to Marvin Williams. So, like your number matters. But I don't know if we hear that story. Yeah we heard the story. Yeah, yeah, when coach call would being told me to pick like, did that like any other numbers? No, I haven't heard this. No unless I was asking you don't listen if you heard this story. I'm waiting you see, I'm looking like you hear the story. I know Jesse will always have. I'm left from the porch story. I want to and I was left on a point to

this story. Tell us the story, just a quick story back in cald To anybody lost his number, it wasn't even lost, it was it was it was politely taken. Um. So one day, it's in the end of the off season and I wore number nine in football, twenty four in basketball in high school. So I get to college and I wear number twenty four my freshman year. All good and well. So I'm heading to into like the summer,

heading into my sophomore year. I get a random call from coach and he's like, hey, um, is there any other number that you like besides number twenty four? And I'm like nah, I'm sitting in Bowl Jangles. I'm like, no, Like, twenty four is my number I've worn, you know, my high school. It was like, just think about it and I call you back in a little bit. I go

back to eating my Bowl Jangles. You know, I'm gonna sipping all my sweet tea, And just about two hours lady calls me back like, hey, have you thought about it? Any other number? And I was like, m no. They're like well, like you might want to start thinking about another number. I'm like, what happened? He's like, we kind of promised Marvin Williams that he would wear twenty four

when he came to Carolina. Now, Marvin Williams, who ended up being like the number two or three pick in the in the in the NBA Draft, he was a number one player in high school out of Seattle, signed to Carolina and they had told him and he could wear number twenty four. So they were like, they got the number one player coming and didn't didn't even consult me. It was like, so I ended up wearing zero because I'm like, I don't know any other number that I liked,

So I was like, give me zero. They're like, cool, little problem, but you're coming out of twenty four. You're not gonna wear twenty four. And like when I told Marvin this story, he was so hurt. He was like, bro, I promise you. I didn't know they told me it was cool. I asked him, you know, can I wear twenty four? And they were like, oh yeah, sure, Like they didn't care about about my coat on the porch. So numbers a big deal to you, to any athlete, Okay,

so you're okay with all the new changes. Love letting different and it's looking weird. Love what looks weird though, my man number nine? Wow you a linebacker wearing nine? That looks weird. Wow that looks weird. That looks sweet. I like it in college. I don't like it in the pros. I don't know why now. I don't like the fat boys wearing single digits. I don't stop. Stop man, See you're saying. I'm like, can I say that? That's politically correct to say? I don't. I don't need anything.

You're offending me. That's political correct. That's what I call up. The fat guys should keep their numbers. They need double digits. I don't care if it's twelve or ten. They need double digits walking around? Can you matter? Fat guy on my side walk around with one on happen? Built like a potato, the biggest stretched out water. It's like it's like this big that why all right? Tyron ten eleven?

That would be hilarious. You see it with all the creased players that wear your number down the road, like do you worry about who wears sixty one? And I hate when they get them? Sorry, dudes, who you gonna cut can't make the team, ain't made a name or nothing. I mean, I know eighty eight is nobody the greatest thing in the world I have. But I'm like, man, least be a little selective. And who you give sixty one?

I don't care if it's a fat guy, but least let him be able to play and contribute to the team. Oh Jesus, but number nine, nomber number Now, let's just no one wants to make eye contact with me right now? Nobody, No, not Kurt. It must be not to have that kind of money. Huh, what kind of half the inventory of theft? Is that? What you have? Like you were talking about, must have some kind of plan to use them, I guess. But see, my plan was basically for quarterbacks or guys

who have like real long money. I don't know if Jason Jason Jalen has real long money. You don't think nine or ten million dollars a year is long money? Think about it? Yeah, I don't think. Not enough to give up five hundred thousand dollars half a million on half a million dollars is smart for eight months. Jalen is smart. He will trust me. He will find a way for eight months, because he's change five percent of your yearly income just just for that, because you haint

selling that many jerseys. I don't think to make that money saying how great it is to have your number, your number, your number. If you made ten million a year, you wouldn't pay five hundred grand to get your number. We don't know how much he's made off clear eye view sales. We don't know that, so his money could be loan. We don't know his other entrepreneurial things. Evidently he's not concentrating on the football fields soever. Then he comes trading now, so we don't know. All right, Jesse,

you've been too quiet. How do you feel about it? I'm not doing it, really, I'm not you actually don't want to talk about that. It's a controversial subject. Well here think I've made I don't want to get you fired. I don't want to make you say something you don't want. I've made a conscious decision with myself, Okay, the man in the mirror that I'm just gonna lay off Jalen. Okay,

I'm just gonna lay off Jalen. It's and I'm gonna tell you why, why I'm gonna tell you why Because as much as I clown on Jason, I mean Jaalen and I was talking to Doug Old producer, you can't never question he's a good kid. His priorities is just in the wrong place. When when I think of Jaylen sometimes I'd be like, wow, man, I sat here and I blasted this kid. He's got a good heart, he's got a big heart, but he's just misplaced on the

priority list. And if he can ever realize that football will make everything go easier, just think how great things could be for him. He just somebody has not side him down and said, hey, Jalen, football it's been your life. Football is what whether you like it or not, it has made you. You have not made football. Football has made you. And that's what Mike Irvy just always preaching our locker room. And if somebody would open up a business or something, the first thing Mike would say, don't

forget what got you that. Well, that's that's the concern, isn't it. He's made his money, he's he's set. I mean, is that but but it's bigger. It's always yeah. But I'm saying in some players, I would think you made that money, maybe you lose your priority. Just think if Jalen with all this competition now, just think if Jalen's come back to that guy we saw three years ago. What if Jayalen have nine or ten sacks this year? And my biggest thing with with him is it's we

talk about everything else besides football. One yes, like here he is again in the media again for a non football issue, and then you get in front of the media and you just tell the lies, Like for what that bothers me? I'm in conversations with him. No, you're not. You didn't talk to him, and you know not that you have to talk to him, but you don't have to say that, you know what I'm saying. So it's like it's it's always in the spotlight for the for

the wrong reason. Now there aren't They aren't troubling things, right, We've we've had guys here who've been in the spotlight for far worse than him. But it always comes down to for him is you're you're you're being highlighted for things that are not highlights of football, Like your football is always it's always low lights, and it's always off

the field other stuff, and it just begins. And then it for me, it starts looking like you don't really love football, you love what football brings, and and it goes back to Nates Days before Nates Days during my time, and it'll go on forty years after I'm done and dead and gone, that you're gonna have a certain amount of players who get put in a position on the stage through the game the sport, football, baseball, basketball, whatever it is, that loves what the sport brings more than

they love the sport. And that's it's a perpetual thing when it comes to him. And so I just get to the point and I said, you know what, I would think a lot of guys. I mean, he signed a sixty eight million dollar contract, thirty five million guaranteed. I mean he his generations are set for life, you know, So I would think for some players it's like, you know, why why do I need to bust my head into

that formation? And you know, do this when I'm already got paid, you know, I'm already But this year, he would This year we will find out because you got a coach now that's gonna has no skins with you. He gonna walk in and say I saw the film, son, this is what we need from you. It's at that point now where you you tell a player whereas I used to here where before they take him off the field? He moaned and grown and why why? Well? They see

what we see. You can't cover anybody. So now we got an the other kid that came from Atlanta that's gonna play nickel nickel lineback down safety that takes you off the field at least thirty five plays. So now if we got you on the field, it's gonna be in a rush position, a designated thing that you do well, whatever it may be. So you're looking at now instead of sixty seventy five plays, you may be looking at forty plays. So now can he excel at what this

new coach is gonna ask him to do. I'm praying and hoping that it does be some competition to this, because hey, if you're gonna just say hey, Jaylen, your job again, he's got to learn that. And then some of the frustration that comes towards Jalen it goes back to what you just mentioned, like somebody upstairs thought giving him a sixty four million dollars contract three five million dollars guaranteed was the right thing to do. And so we see the numbers and we go, you're making ten

million dollars a year. And if I'm Jalen, and I might be talking both out of my mouth, but if I'm Jail, I'm like, they gave it to me. I signed it. Yeah, Like I literally didn't even go to them. They were like, hey, we got some new money, like we got something. Whatever it was. When that whole thing, with the whole Dack situation, it was like, you know, you know whoever wants the money to come get it. And he was like, well, they gave it to me,

like I signed it. And I don't blame him for that because if it was me, if it was you, if it was you, if it was you, if if if Derek calls you up there's if Derek calls you up there, Derek calls me. Anyone goes listening what coloring? Nah, I don't want it. What coloring? Right, It's like, yeah, you know, hey, Shannon, we're gonna we're gonna give you an extra fifty thousand dollars a year. But Jesse has

to go. You go buy Jesse right, like you know, Nate, we gotta extra forty thousand dollars for you, you know, but Kurt Scott, you know what, man, I like Kurt and all, but I think we see that that would be a fun segment. What what's the dollar amount that it would take to break up this show? Like what

we want to create? Yeah, different show? White, Kwame Brown, listen, Chris Bean you my price is low on Jesse's like double Jesse, like, I'm here parent Tommy Johns and shame stopped car you give me a gift card I'm taking out. I just I just we have had enough disappointments out of Jayla and and and whoever listening to this show or whoever cares about y. You know, just reprioritize. That's all you have to do. And that's all you have to do. I think you're writing Nate like I think everybody.

He's a good dude. He's given back, but the community, the programs that he's involved in, the things that he started, that that you know, that incubator business he started for you know, minority owned businesses. And I think everybody really you want to root for him, yes, but there's just you know what fixes it when go out there and ball, when become the guy that that took Alvin Kamara straight out the sideline and out the stadium and ran him

into the wall. Be that guy this year and and all this, you know, all this goes away, like okay, let's go nine, like nine, let's go like all this goes away, Just go be Jalen, that that Jalen we all thought Jalen was gonna be when he signed that contract, because I think we all want to see himself because

it's a great story. We all forget about the story, like what he because the story at the end of the days, Like the story is great for documentaries, it ain't great for football, right unless unless you're producing Yeah yeah, right, yeah. Maybe out of place last year because they moved him from middle to week week side linebacker. Did they discover that maybe that's not He's where he needs to be. He played all of them. He's played week he's played middle,

he's played strong, like hasn't he played? Right? I guess I told you before. The next spot for you now is that's the one spot you don't want to be in when the good players, right, Michael Irvin, he's gonna be the ex receiver Bryant the ex receiver Jason won the Y tight end. Jake Elliot's gonna be your RB one stamp it. Yeah, when it when you start going

to that whole. Hey, we're gonna try you at middle, all right, cool, Hey, we're gonna move you over to Sam all right, let's gonna try you at at this point, now I have nowhere else to put you but to send you to a new address after one. Place you don't want to be as a player is a guy who has to get you know, passed around right. Offensive lines a little bit different because sometimes you get moved for need right. Yeah, you get you, you get moved.

Because that's what happened to me when they said Eric Williams is gonna start. Before I got there, they moved me the right tackle. They said, we want the five best guys on the on the field. So I had to move the right tackle in order to make a room for Kevin Covid. So you you, you, you you do that with off his line. But just like Jesse said, if you change a couple of times within the year, if every time they get a new guy, you being the guy being changed, this ain't a butt amount of

time for you have a new address. I tell you what, that's gonna be the most probably the most interesting thing to watch during camp, because you know, you drafted Michael Parsons, which you gotta think he's gonna be on the field Jabril Cox if he gets it figured out. My guys, you only draft those guys when it was a need. Yeah, I mean we're not like I don't care about whole the best available player, because you dropped those guys because there was a need. And not only did you draft

those guys, you went and got two of those guys. Yeah, not one, you ain't got two. There's a report out there, and I don't know how reliable it is, but there's a report that the Cowboys tried to trade Jalen during the draft. Yeah. I couldn't get any takers. I'll tell you like this, they watched the film. I guess you know. I thought about this a lot. I didn't want to do that. I didn't want to do that, but he said,

watch the film. So I thought about it a lot. Man, And I said, in my mind, okay, I'm attacking Jalen, but why And there's only one reason. The lack of you know, pro activity. That's it. Jayalen. I mean every time you pass me, Hey, how you doing, sir, I'm like, wow, Man, I'd be like, don't want to speak because I feel bad, Like wow, this dude is a nice dude. Somebody has to get to these kids, say, man, make football your

only priority for eight months out of the year. For eight months out of the year, Make football your only priority. After games you're thinking about it. I'm gonna tell you something. I saw the Warriors game to playing game and the Curry kid you talked about somebody was crushed. I watched him on both after both playing games. This dude is a champion. This dude moved over for KD. He moved over for another player to shine when he know he can get sixty points a game. You're talking about crushed.

I haven't seen that since Michael Irvin. Man, I haven't seen that since Troy Eightman, where God just literally crushed about losing in the Day's society. Yeah, everybody's getting paid. You guys have said before, it's it's it's not loving to win, it's hating to lose. Yeah. I think most guys I've kind of followed that, you know, they'd rather they hate to lose more than they love to win. Yeah, the great ones man, because there's no glory, there's no you know. And I saw that with a couple of

guys when I go out and do different things. Jess and May experienced the same thing just about playing with the Cowboys or the either short time with New England. You get guys, man that just look at you. They'll be looking at you and he'd be like, hey, man, is everything all right? Man? You got a super Bowl? Rang you got three? Wow? Man? Wow? What I wouldn't do to have one of those? What man? They get emotion.

I'll be like, yo, bro, it's all good, y'all, y'all you know you've been all pro I guessed to go to baking up things, you know, just to get them, get them out of that mindset. Man. Some people hate to lose bron at all. I see Mike Irwin crowed like a baby out the games, like, Wow, I can't take this. They need to trade me this. I'm serious

before Jimmy, Man, this ain't right man, this man? Is this what y'all used to He used to sit on the bed like Mike is all right, man, we need this, We need that when things get better at a man when ain't gonna get better. This ain't college though we've been going. Jesse's true thoughts on the number nine switch. Yes, this is what it is. It's my quarterback. Somebody tell me to you that is your quarterback. It's quarterback. It's

my quarterback. Yeah, I mean, Tony's my guy. But I mean I'm of the I'm of the I'm of the camp where Jenna don't have to ask Tony Romo for that number. That's my opinion. Yeah, like you gotta go, you gotta ask Troit for number eight, though, I gotta ask Troit for number eight. I think I think what Tony did was some spectacular stuff, right, but he ain't hoisted no trophy like that. To me, you only get to say so when you when you done one of them, when you when you when you when you've been to

the top of the mountain. Tony's done some spectacular things, that's my guys. So you think someone's someone could come in here and wear eighty two, you're cool with that? Yeah, yeah, what do you do? What did you do? One of the best to ever play, Okay, at that position, So they gave they gave fifty four away. Now he's one of the best to come over and do it. So you gotta win the You gotta win the big one

to have the sacred numbers right and sixty one. They gotta ask me, what's really gonna be funny is when when a few guys that that was the face of the franchise. Randy White was the face of the franchise. When you thought about the Doomsday Defense, you thought about Randy White, and you thought about Roger, you thought about Bob Lily. Uh, who else am I'm missing someone? Um? Tony Dark said, yeahs as I'm missing it because those

are the four guys that I think about. That was elite Troy, you know Troy, Yeah, And that don't even cross my mind. That number ain't going nowhere. And I hope Troy will never be nice enough to give it to nobody. And I hope nobody don't try to get it, like they don't even give it out that practice. I've never seen the eight jersey a practice. Have you not hope they get cut real quick? Maybe Nick always talks

about this. If you I don't know if I've seen eight, I have seen twelve at training camp when they have like yeah, they got ninety guys here. Now I don't see No. Eight. Yeah, but you'll see it. And you don't want that number because you get that number, that number, you know, you know you're gone. You know that if you got that number, that eight twelve dud dudes. Yeah, So well, I tell you what I think we all

in the face in base. I won't speak for the whole fan base because I don't think they all feel like this, But Jalen, we want you to do good real, We want you to do good on the real man. We think you're a good dude. You know, we loved your brother when he was here. Your dad listens to the show. We want you to We want you to succeed. All you gotta do is go out there and ball this year, man, go ball, and then you can wear that nine. And because he looks hood and like, did

you see him nine? He looked like wou six foot three, yea, like someone put him together. I think it looks weird. I think it makes him look slow. Man. It's like when you're wearing black sneakers on the court, it makes you look slow, like I think it slows him down. Man. I think it looks good. It looks good like I'm always a fan of if you got the right shape like the nine and that good body. You know that nine. So see even Jesse, won't you to do good because

you look good in the nine? Don't play good? And let's do you know what, Let's go, let's go. Let's put this to bed. Make them say the next time someone wants to wear number nine. They got off to jailing. There you go. Make them say that. Make him say, hey, you talk to motivator. It's a motivator for him. I'm on board with it. So all right, that was on. We've got Kurt gave me twelve points to talk about in this show and we are third of the way through the show and that was not even on the list.

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who said that. Chris, did you say that you wants you? Are you? Yeah? I'm on Instagram? Yeah he Kurt didn't bring that up. Man, we break this. IM gonna bush you up. Chris Huh told Shannon he brought on the air Instagram was on Instagram or something? What's your Instagram name? Nate? I would keep private conversations private. All right, wait a minute, Instagram a public a public plata. I didn't think this was a private conversation. It wasn't because Dion sold men. Okay,

so you're on Instagram? Yeah, I'm on Instagram. What's your name? Sweet Jessubree? Why are you? I have an Instagram account? Deon has the Instagram account? How did we get told bad information? Nobody said I think he Somebody said that Prime has an Instagram. Yeah, yeah, Prime has Instagram accounted. He's all everything with him. He's got to be saying this makes it even creepier. He why on Twitter? Why were you taking pictures of us before the show? That's

what I was saying. Why take a picture on Twitter? You ain't never posted about this show? In four years on Twitter? Why now why now? Nate, there you go? He posted on Twitter, why now? Why are you trying to be social media? Said? What for you? What I wanted to? I got people that said, you know when I say, hey man, what they said? What you've been doing? So well? I just did a show with my boy to him and I tell them, who're all on the show, And they're like, well, why why are you never say

anything before the show? Come on? Because we'll say for one time, I'm gonna do this and I'm gonna show y'all all my boys because we're like the ugly girlfriend. He don't want We're like a moped. No, I don't want to tell them what I put everybody out there, man, something to build your brand. Yeah, well I'm good. I don't want to be like Jesse man. I want to get your arguments about my brand. Okay, so not on Instagram, but you did tweet us out. Well, thanks, thanks for

tweeting out about the show. Promote the show all right? It subscribed if you would. Still can't believe Jesse's not on Instagram. I figured Jesse be off, it's self centered and conceded a shirtless shirtless picks on there every other day. Well, I won't do it. One day he'd be singing, and the next day he'd be what are you doing? And the exact thing you're trying to play him on me, he's projecting that on me. That's what he does. Dude. I posted on Instagram maybe three times in the last year.

Life got in the way from of my social media. I don't get on social media that much. If I'm not at work, to be honest with you, I stay away from it. I'm that the social media and director of social director of social mediactor of programming. But social media, yes, is it's not it's not good for your brand. No, I'm into it. I just don't do it on my personal stuff. You're right, it's bad for my personal brand, it definitely is. But I just, I don't know, get

overloaded with it. Doing it at work twenty hours a day and then go home and do it for the remaining four not good. So all right, let's get back to football. Enough about us, We're gonna talk about Kurt. You gave me this whole list. You know what you know in corner? Are you doing anything nothing? As little as possible today? Okay, what's for lunch, Kurt takeaway, what's for lunch? This question did come. I did want to

ask you guys about this. So we've heard talk that dan Quinn is going to bring back elements of the twenty nineteen defense kind of last year was awful, kind of go back to that. But looking at it, we've only got twelve guys on the roster from two thy nineteen from that defense. Only three of them were starters. You had a couple other guys like Jordan Lewis who was around. So is this you've added what eight seven new free defensive free agents, eight new defensive rookies. I mean,

you got a lot of new guys. Are we going back to anything? It seems like a new defense for the third time in three years. Anything that we're doing in reverse is being done wrong. Yeah, there's no there's no need to go on reverse, especially for dan Quinn. Like everything that dan Quinn should be doing defensively should be moving forward. It should be a progressive step to implement all the things that he that is his bread and butter, right, Because what I don't I don't because

who who was who was twenty nineteen with that Rod Marinelli? Yeah, Chris Rochard. So there may be some things, there may be some things there that may be some links that that bring them together. But my thing is is that if it's not progressing because you don't have a defense full of guys who were still here in between, because there's you know, so for me, it's like all the time that you have now, thank God that we've got this opportunity to be back out here in the field.

To be a part of that process should be the building blocks to whatever it is you're going to build forward. Spend no time on the past. That stuff was, stuff

is gone. It's dead. Every moment, every waking moment that as you're now the defensive coordinat for the Cowboys should be a progressive step onto putting your own stamp, your stamp, not even if it was linked to something the Christoph Sharp back in your own stamp on the players, the personnel, the chemistry, the camaraderie, everything should be how can I put the Dan Campbell stamp on every single guy going un I'm sorry, Dan Quinn coach, same energy, I want that.

I want that energy though, I want the Dan Campbell energy. And Jesse I just think they just worded it wrong. Because I think everything is going forward. I mean, you're gonna see some similarities. But we can pick a little bit of everything with all these different defenses and see some similarities. It's all going forward. They are not, I promise you. You know, they just want to I could give the media something, you know, but this is all going forward, my friend. Uh, like you said, you only

got what two or three guys that are left. So all of these new players, all this is big for them. All of the free agents expectedly to college guys. This is big and new for them. So they're not worried about that. They just that just some sound bite stuff. That's all that is. That's all they can be. We don't have enough players even worry about what happened before. How did you know they? Is this going to be because you have so many new guys, you have a

new coordinator. Is this going to be a transition year? You know? They they gonna take two or three years. So then defense, Oh no, sir, This defense is too simple. What the coverage is one or two coverages in the back end, which you're mixing in some some disguises. These guys have went out and I think have tried to get great athletes at almost every position. You know they I'm thinking it's what they're thinking. You know, I don't know about the demonsive line. There's still some young guys

that need to be developed. But everybody else is athletic, everybody else is long, everybody else is covering space. Like Jessef talked about, these are guys that they think can do what they ask them to do with the scheme. So the players match the scheme. Whereas last year not taking off a coach Nolan, but they wanted long, smart guys that can be played multiple positions. That's why we got the Neil kid in here safety and slash nickelback or nickel linebacker. So these are the guys they want.

These are the guys. That's why Antoine Woods is not here. You know, he don't fit the mold. He don't fit where he can move around a lot. So here we set with his new coach that they have no other choice but to play their free agents and the young guys you have. Who is left? Who is left? M I don't know your guy trusting Hill, Yeah, he used it up, but he better be able to play. If he can't, man, I hope they don't hold on. See, we got to hold players to a certain standard, not

just talking about it. You you you, And I'll go back to answer one was because I love this kid. I love what he did his first year. He knew what he was about. I'm sure, I'm stumpy, I'm gonna eat up blocks. I'm I'm gonna do what I have to do. That's why Jayleen and vander Rah ran all over the field. They have nobody bearing down on him. Well, everybody turned in the past rushes and I'm the man, and they got a dot. Guess what. Now you're on the street. Now you're on another team. So do your job.

Do your job is cleaning up? I guess how do you? How do I want to wear? This is words? Your hard It is especially for me, you know what, cleaning up anybody on this show. You are an editor. You are the editor you have been and you're going to write some stuff here. This is not a written show. You should be able to formulate your thoughts better than let me think of how I want to word this, and then you have to say that out loud into

the microphones. Like big difference between writing the words and saying the words. Stuff and I'm not sure you can do either one of them. Kurt. That's not talking about come out on down now, talking about like you know what you've been. He's been a little too calm on the show today. He's been a little timid. I had to bring him to poke at Kurt him. So there you go, Kurt nice. That's what I wanted. So it

is he's right. Job you can't do totally right clean keeping things clean for the linebackers is that job one? That's job one. It Our linebackers are getting seventy percent of the tackles, especially for three yards or less. You you you're stumping folks, man, yo down lineman is doing exactly what they're supposed to do. Some about that tackle and that the three technique that plays over either guard and that nose guard. They are doing more than their

job when you got linebackers running free. And that's where a lineback can get cocky once he know that you got two guys. Man, they can shoot there, shoot the gap and a heartbeat, you know, but it's hard to shoot the gap and at the laugh man, they just turn around and bump you off and all of a sudden, running back going through your hole. That's an ugly thing. Can you scheme that? Or does it have to be to be a bulleto not to be a bullet that you can't You can't scheme a plugger. Yeah, you gotta

better be a plugger, like you can't scheme it. You gotta you gotta be able to be a plugger and if you are, then then great. You know it's like when you're going on that like here's what the numbers, kind of get the seaving because it'll go, oh, Jaylen Smith, oh, other team and tackle hundre fifty four tackles. Then you take that next line and you'll go, oh he averaged tackles at four yards five yards of pop. Yeah, well, yeah, you made the tackle. But it was a five yard game.

So every time they got on the field it was first down four and a half yard run, second in five, second and six. Well, you can have a bunch of those tackles, but where are the tackles happening at If they're happening, like Nate was saying, three yards or less, let's go if it's four plus m hm. You brought up the word plugger, Nate. You gotta be careful with that word. Because you can say that wrong a lot of different ways and mess up really bad. But what

you do in your room. But we haven't seen him play yet. We haven't seen him in pad. Look like a plugger. He's a plugger that can run too. Get he could take more than five steps and be breathing and Donna be breathing and odd Nat and love. That's that's gonna be your guy to watch, right, Oh definitely? Man? Can we put the plugger in the name hat for him? The plugger? I ain't giving normal names. That last guy gave a name. He with us no most so I'm through it the name. He had a good run. Though

he had a good run. He yeah, they found a use for him. And he lasted longer here than he did anywhere else. See that, all my guys are gone. He's gone, Tyrone, Tyrone's gone, Joe Looney's not around anymore. Sean Lee did everything for us. I'm just kidding. Shall never did anything for us, probably because we didn't ask. I'll tell you what I'm gonna say this because I said in a negative way. But brother, I love Kurt's Daniel's possible ideals today. You know what I love let's

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I have a hard time believe in that Peter King and Dan Orlovsky said the Cowboys are the third best team in the NFC East. I don't. Maybe I can see second. I think Washington's made some improvements and their defense is gonna be nasty this Yearatrick, the Eagles, I don't see it. The Giants, who knows what? Say Quan and is Daniel Jones getting better? But the third best team? Kurt?

Do you agree with that? It's hard to believe. I mean, they Peter King had Washington fifteenth because they've of that defense, and they think they've at least got a serviceable quarterback this year to get him going. He's got the Giants twentieth. Fitzpatrick scares me. I'm not gonna he scares me. Um, Giants twentieth because you know they've got the running backs, Barkley coming back. Um, They've added Kenny Gollad or yeah, gollad, They've added Kenny gotta Day tight end, Kyle Rudolph, they

drafted another receiver. Um. It just he feels like Jones is ready and he's got the weapons. Now, so what about that that's ready? What about those weapons? He's got Dallas twenty one? And I think the question marks are one, obviously, the defense, don't know what you're gonna get there, and and the other one is, well, the guys that were hurt last year come back and play but here's my thing. The defense cannot it cannot get worse. Yeah, so it's

gotta get better, right, at least a little bit. Yeah. And the reason they ranked him, right, they just because, like Pro Football did, tyronn l is twenty second and twenty fifth best type, it's because of injury, right, you know, they don't want to stick their foot in their mouth. And you know, give these guys. We are better than that.

I think we're better than that, you know. I don't think we better than maybe eleven or twelve or fifteen, but we're better than twenty one voice voice some reason, Jesse, Are we all being Homer's or the Cowboys the third best in the division. No, I think people are trying to temper their expectations. Like I think people like because you know, like Nate never does. Right. I just said, oh my god, finished, we pick the game sixteen after everybody? What were you gonna say? Yes? But I think people

are trying to I'm gonna say this. I'm gonna say Peter King because Peter King is usually a rationally thinking

and writing guy like Kurt Yeah. Now, then Alarsky not so much like he tries to have the hot takes, and you know he's trying to like, yeah, he's trying to talk about quarter back play, like Daniel Jones and Fitzpatrick are better than Dak Prescott, and like you know, he's like, if these guys, I'm like if if I'm like, listen, if if if my aunt had cohonas should be my own ble, Like I don't, you don't have to play

when to play all these ifs out? Yeah, if if Ryan pitch, like when is Ryan fitz If Ryan fitzpatrickes he can be scary at moments, But Daniel Jones has selling you nothing during his time at New York that would make you believe that, even after Dak is coming off an injury, that he's better than Dak, or that he's poised to take whatever steps are necessary to be better than Dak. So don't don't, don't, don't hit me with all that if this happens, If that happens, If that,

I'm like, whoa like? And then everything else for the Cowboys supports stay stagnant, right, so they like they have they have all these other things elevating. Well, if Ryan Fitzpatrick plays lights out and Daniel Jones takes the next step and say Quan comes back, and then then everything else for the Cowboys is just like, Oh, they're gonna stay stagnant, like they are aren't going to improve in any in any way sape or form. Right, I see

Zeke doing his workout. He looks he looks much slimmer than he has and a lot of it looks good. He looks good. Right, Um, for what we've seen right now, he does look good. Yeah, physically looks good. We'll see what happened for the same thing for that, right, he looks good and feels good lyons coming back. He looks slim down, he's he's lost some weight. He's looking good. You just hope Tyre can hold together. What if those guys don't, What if the line has the same injuries.

Don't do Kurt, Please don't, please please, because if they hold together, all we need is one of them. The President's back. I talked to him passing by. President is back. That's number one. All we need, all that needs for one of those tackles to show up for sixteen games. What if you get both of them? Oh my god, you're talking about rug You're talking about a Rucker set and page. You're talking about a thousand points. You're talking about a thousand points, and you might get the president

for seventeen games. You ain't getting both sixteen man, you ain't getting both Tooker for seventeen games. You don't think, oh, yes we are stop it, Yes we are stopped him. Seventy seven is gonna miss two or three games at least this ship. I hate that. But yeah, but only is there in December and beyond? I'm good. What do you mean beyond? You hope it's beyond playoffs, But that's what I'm saying. December and beyond you need him there. I'm saying. If if he's strand in December, oh you're

January and beyond December and beyond. So just rest him after training game man, he's doing in the NBA. Just rested. Hey, that's low management, this dude. Wouldn't they do that? Would they love management? Why would have hurt? I mean it would have got Jesse Board in the draft when they ain't matter to be worried about this. I mean, m I'm just talking about the future. Let's protect our Let's protect our multi million dollars one hundred million plus dollar quarterback.

Do y'all think that it's worth that money. Oh yeah, I was sitting out riding yesterday and I'm riding in the car and I almost took the wrong exit. Did not say that a lot? What do you mean? Yeah, like, way, don't start that because you were the main one all offseasons. Just sign it, Sign it. I can't wait breaking news. Sign it. But you know what, he don't come at the gates putting up forty throwing for three hundred yards a game. Guess what that talks right out of the gate.

That's gonna be right behind. And that might be a little bit unfair. It might be Yeah, it might be a little waiting games. And I don't care what problem you start out three and two or two and three or three and three. It's like and it'll be all right. That mean our defense is inconsistent. It's no way, it's no it's I'm thinking, there's no way that with the season.

Did our coordinated this season? Our offensive coordinated season. Our quarterback is season, The receivers everything fits that, the line is back intact. All I need is one of those titles to show up. You are ready, you say, Zeke looking slimming any over looked. I think he's signed a hashtag to my man, Uh, curt over to us and look at me now, and they are ready. So all we need now is for the defense to hold on

and get consistent. If they come out of the gates two and three or three and two, I am not panicking because that means our defense is inconsistent. If our offense is inconsistent. Man, bro, I'm gonna lose it up. What would make what would make you panic? What record to say? First six games? What we three? If we three and three of uh, something like that ain't good?

So two and good, two and two and four and now don't be like, come on, defense, come on because they we better not be talking about no offense at at six pound in the world. My only fear when it comes to the offense is doc mentally. That's my only Where is he mentally? When people get around his feet, get around his feet, running, running, taking a hit like that part to me, I want to see, well know about six games in though right now we should know by yeah, we should we shore games and you should

know by two three games? Yeah, we should know her because they coming at it. We should know. Well, he looks he looks fine. Like when I saw him in practice, he's rolling out, he's throwing on the run, he's throwing across his body everything, but Almo was out there. Yeah, ain't everyone looks good out there and in helmeton T shirt. But just for people that haven't seen him, he looks fine. And he's even said that he could go out and

play a game. But it's a whole different story when you have three hundred pounds in with you ever heard in your time here, right, And I've never heard Dak say anything controversial, Like he says everything perfect in the media. So when he says that, I take it as Oh, he's just really good at what he does. Yeah, It's like he and Jason Witt are two guys who have never said anything controversial or anything wrong when they've been

in front of a mic and a camera. So when he said, oh, I can go out there and play a game, right now, that's what you're supposed to say, like you you well, if you think about it, what was it that year that Tom Brady had the knee issue. It took him a year to mentally get right. You could tell when people got around his feet he was backing up and he wasn't stepping into his throat, so it's gonna be I mean, that's part of the same thing.

That's that's my only fear. Physically, he's good physically, it's stronger than it's ever been because of the surgeries in the plates. It's the mental part where you would know, you know, right after the Bucks game and the Dumicon Sue and and yeah, yeah, you gonna know. Yeah, But it's the mental part for yes. And then it's this. This happens a lot. It's the overcompensation, right, you strengthened the other like really really well. And sometimes I'm talking

too much. Nate Bro Wow, I'm just wow. Those things are real, those questionings, those are really don't have to worry about. No offense, all right, the offense had heard it here first. If we are talking, if we set up and discussing what Jesse's discussing, I'm gonna be crushed. We would know when they leave Raymond James Stadium when we come in that Monday, we'll be like, oh, Jesse was right that. Yeah, all we're gonna say, man, but we our Devens need to pick it up. You know.

It's gonna be a Friday, by the way, because that's a Thursday game, isn't at the season open? Yeah, but that's how Monday though, right, that would be out Monday though, right, Yeah, that Friday. We got Monday. No, it'll actually be Friday. Yeah, the game would be being Thursday, Thursday, Thursday. Yeah, but that will be us as coming in after the game on Monday. But it'll actually be Friday. I don't care what day Monday. You don't know the game was on

this day, and you said looking in on Monday. We'll be in our own Friday. Say it's doing our Monday after the game. Thank you. We're do our Friday show because it's gonna be on Friday. I know what you're trying to say, but I ain't letting night out of it. Okay, we will assisition. I don't want to be right, and he ain't been right about nothing the whole day. It will be attack every one of us. So after the show, when you get that beating, we all gonna give you.

We got I got what three minutes before, I gotta get Chris in here. I gotta get Chris too. We got three minutes to get him to so he can beat you up. To say, and Jess, I didn't say anything, but first time, Okay, Jess, you brought it up. And I think it's a very valid point because I've never had a major injury like that to worry about coming back from. I mean, what are you really think things gonna take a little time? To me, it has to. And and I think Dak is a mentally tough person.

I love the quote that he sent on Instagram was the other day said, dear adversity, thank you for the opportunity that just that even that just gives me chills. You hear that, right, And he's mentally tough, and that part I don't worry about. But when you get on the football field, it's these little games that sometimes are played mentally. When you're recovering from your bone being out of your skin and you look down at your ankle

and your foot's going away. You ain't never see it go before, yeah, and now have to come back from that, and you know, it's that when I roll out and it's third and one, do I go or do I not? And so it's it's just it's just those little mental games that when you're in that you know, and when people are around your feet. You're like, you know you're you're antsy. You're not You're not throwing with enough and force. So I want to see that. Yeah, do I fight

for this first down? Or do I go down? Because last time I fault. Yeah, it didn't end good. Yeah said, he don't go down, But we'll see when he gets in. But he's a competitor, man. He tell you what if it's for the playoff, baby, go for it. Yeah, it doesn't know, it doesn't no good if you're not in the playofs when we get there. Yeah, we're talking about you know, if Dad, if they're gonna take him a few games to get going, is the defense is gonna be ready? What if they get off to a slow start?

You know right now, the one betting edge you see has McCarthy is the most likely to get fired. Don't go there because I think there's any chance he'd get fired the second season. Yes, well, between you and Jested today, I'll just take the beam. I mean, yea, we're going after like, Wow, you went after Jayalen the first segment. Now you're going after coach. Why you went I asked the question, I'm gonna unplug all that I'm going on, I ain't putting up with this today. But you said yes, yeah,

really yeah in season two, yes, halfway through season two. Yes, because we don't have two defensive coordinators so you can't hit We had three like that, we had three and three years. Yeah, you can't miss like that. As a coach, you cannot miss, you know. So that wastes the year on defense. Nobody got any better. We don't have the same system. So that's on coach and not not ownership. That's on the coach. They mister Jones said he hired his guys. He didn't know coaching Nolan beforehand. I mean,

may have knew it, but he did not hire coaching Ola. Yeah, so that that's in his house. That's in coach. That's in freaking Mike's house. So that's one of those that's one of those one of those uh details that can get you right. It's not the overall coaching. It's not what playing, calling the plays, it's not the way you run things. It's the decisions you make along the way. And there's two guys in house right now that can step right on end to be your next head coach.

One of them has head coaching experience. You just hired him miss Year and Dan Quinn and then you call me crazy, Kellmore, call me crazy, Call me crazy. Is that what you're gonna say? He that's the only reason he was left around. Yeah, I think I think. I think Jerry is trying to groom him. I do think I think mister Jones really listen, Nate. I think mister Jones really and truly wants to say I found him and this is the guy's gonna take us to the

next whatever. And Kellen Morris is he's here. He has a good relationship with Dak. I just want to know here. I just want to see. But I hope my boy, freakie Mike was gonna say, y'all already got coach out of here. You know, I see this type of talk. Man, Well, don't even get into Nate. Yeah, I mean, you're gonna we're gonna sit on the side. I can't believe Kurt brought that up and then Jesse entertained it. They worked together, man, I know they text each other yea during the show.

They keep their little texts to each other. Man. Man, but come on, the gospel, somebody's got to bring refing to this the con Yeah, setting me up, God, the son, the trend, set me up for failure already, because you know what, y'all, I don't even have to talk about anything on this show. I'm guilty by association. So when I go into locker room room, y'all already went after Jaylen. So Jaylen's gonna hate me now because y'all went after him.

Now I can't even go into coach. We can't even go in the coaching room because Kurt went after coach McCartan. But we loved it. We loved on Jaylen today. Man, we all agreed that he just as prior as he is in the wrong place, you know, make football eight nine months out of your make that your priory, you know, and he'll be okay. Well, fellas we'd can I make the title of our show today if my aunt had cahunas, yes, might be the most clicked on show ever, Uncle Joe aunt,

So is this the uncle that was? Is this the uncle the aunt uncle that was? Kenny? Your dad? Be careful, now, be careful. You know what we live. We live in this society nowaday that we're trying to care. But I'm like they're gonna come out to me, Jesse, what's wronger neutral, They'll be coming out at me. You gotta wanted to be an un Gotta follow that up with there would be nothing wrong with wrong with that. I want to be today Dad's sister. Yeah, my dad's sister. Okay, so

she never came around on exactly Barbara Jeane. All right, Kurt, good show man. This was fun. Sorry, we didn't stick to the script today, Jesse, what was the script? Good seeing you all those five points, those that you read. Yeah, Kurt's possible ideals, we get them. Every I would tell you, I would tell you go following Nato on Instagram, but he's still not on there. Neither's Jesse. Chris. Sorry, we didn't get to bash on you a little bit. Um. I heard a rumor since our our boss broke it

on the show his show yesterday. Well, we have what two more shows before we go to training camp? Chris? Yeah, two more shows this uh, next week and the week after so mini camps, and you're putting together a special surprise for one of those shows right next week next week for you next week. So we got two more shows, two more shows and then we uh the rumor is we're going to Oxnard this year. That's been the rumor since what rumor we all go on Oxnard? I don't know.

We need to get on we need to get on the ball. Ain't letting all of us go. But I'll tell you what. I love it though down r Yeah, Hey, Kurt, Kurt's working out. Okay, listen, let me say this on the air right now. If you drive to Oxnard, I'm rolling with you. Okay, Okay, that's a promise. Really yeah, let me ask all this. If we got a funtwn RV and Nate drove, would y'all be comfortable riding with Nate across country? Drive? I only drive during today. I

ain't goause I ain't never drove RVs. I'll be driving like sixty five miles an ship. I ain't bro Would y'all do that? Or would we have to hire a driver? No? I will go and I would actually driven driven drive Okay, I'll driven. We do enough us do it like that? Yeah, I definitely love to do. Make it like a three day trip stop maybe like make some like El Paso where we got a big fan, big fan bases. Vegas. Vegas has huge fan base. We can stop in Vegas regardless. Yeah,

m and we stopping. No trailer box. You we gotta gas, we gotta, we gotta empty out one rule. If we do go, you can stand up, but it ain't no sitting down. That ain't fair to other folks. You know what. We're standing up. But no city. Now I think the trailer parks or the other direction I think there are. I don't think there's any out west. They blow away out west. So man, we are way over, Kurt, Yes, Jesse, Nate, great show, Chris, thanks for keeping us on the air.

Are you out next week? No, I'm not out next week. What did you train Scott for for the following week? So two weeks? Two weeks away? Yeah, he's gonna forget everything you showed him last week, is no doubt. Wow, he's gonna be on vacation. Now. What is that? That is Chris Beam and that is Shannon Growth. That is not me. He already knows not contracting on went from that thing that Mexico want you wanted to not like? All right, fellas, good show. We will see y'all next week,

same time, same place. What I'm saying, shout out to everybody who donated last week? How much you get you that something? That man a penny that ain't funny, Like eighty nine dollars, you're kidding it, Like eighty nine dollars. It's the funniest thing ever. Eighty nine bucks. That'll buy a lot for the Christmas for the kids next year that don't do wonders. That is awesome. And that was just a joke. By the way, that was a joke. That was a total joke, total drive. We can shann

Lee show up next year on time. We had a newborn with me. That was my fault. And then he let the little baby just poople on lawyer everywhere. Stop it. He really no man, The baby went to the bathroom, the e calling like Nate, the babies poop pool all over and stop. I'm like, why didn't you take well, you know who's taking pictures? What are you talking about? Calling child services? Yes, I am talking about Sam. I'm glad your mom is intervened. All right, we gotta go down.

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