Hangin' with the Boys: Remembering Marion

Right there, you have a live look of the Tostita Championship Plaza where it's currently eighty six to grees high of ninety seven today. We got a heat wave coming a week, fella, So if you're a little musty, stay away from me because it's gonna get. It's gonna get. It's gonna get toasty out here. The Goot's gonna get toasty out here this week. So just make sure that you are fresh and ready to go. Kurt, glad to have you back, Bright to be back. Good to see

you guys. Yea, Nate, Yeah, I'm rocking, man, Let's do it. Our fearless leader is running a couple of minutes behind, but that's okay because I'm always ready and willing to get these reps in and uh, all right, kind of a sad way to start our show today, and I'm gonna keep it together. I think I've cried enough. But last week, UM, we lost a great member of the Dallas Cowboys team and a really good friend of mine. U Mariam Barbara passed away on Wednesday of last of

last week. UM. Still unknown cause of death, but that's that's beside the point. UM. Marion has been a fan favorite of Cowboy fans since the time that he entered

the league. And when you get high praise from a coach like Bill Belichick who says he was almost a perfect player, Parcel, I'm sorry, that's sorry, parcels um the thing the thing that and we're all on a march to death right, as morbid as that sound, but I say that to say this at the end of it all, I hope and pray when my time comes that I get talked about the person that I was far greater than anything that I've done, than any part of my life on and off the football field of basketball court.

And while Marian Barbara was a phenomenal football player, a great teammate, UM, a hard Noserunner. He was one of the greatest human beings that I've or in my life come across. That's something I was hoping you could share because he was a quiet guy in the media, and I think most fans, I mean, I don't that person of who he was and what he was like behind the scenes, and what he was like for as a teammate. I think that a lot of that's a no, no no,

no and unknown for a lot of people. And it wasn't that Marian did not want to talk to the media or be a part of the media. He just never wanted the attention. He never wanted it to be about him. It was always about talk to my offensive lineman, talk to my quarterback, talk to my receivers. You know, without those guys, I can never really get my job done.

You would be hard pressed. And I'm willing to bet a large amount of money that you will find anyone who has ever been a teammate of Marian Barber say anything negative about who he was as a teammate and as a person. Like we hear a lot of times, and then it's it's a kind of the cliche of you know, he'd give his shirt off his back for

for you. Yeah, I've watched Mary and do that. I've watched him be that giving not only to me but to strangers, to people, and you know, before the height of social media, like he was doing stuff like that. You know, five hundred grand took a new computers for kids in South Dallas. I mean the countless camps that he gave. And I mean this was a guy, his offensive lineman. When it came time for gift giving, they never they never were shot on a gift because he

appreciated them that much. I can sit here and talk for hours on the person he was and what he meant to me and done for me. But it's it's sad that at thirty eight years old, his birthday is the tenth of Junie be Through turning thirty nine years old, that we lost an iconic and I do say iconic person in society. And and the thing that I guess frustrates me the most in the day and time that we live in is we're so quick to want to point out and exploit flaws as if we're perfect, and

none of us are. We all have our our I just think there's times and places for those type of things. And you know, we all know that Maria was battling some demons that you know just are tough. And when Nate and I coming here and we talk about the game of football, and I say this over and over and over again, every time you step off that football field, you are less than. And what I mean less than,

I don't mean the I don't mean you as a person. Yes, you as a person, but this game takes something away from you. Every single time. I'm thirty eight years old, I feel the effects. Nates sixty years old, and he can tell you the delictey of things that he deals with on a day to day basis because of this game. And some of us are able to work and manage

through it, and others others aren't. But just no fans that that people that they're the people under those helmets, there's a human Those aren't superheroes, those aren't machines, those aren't these mythical feature figures. Underneath those helmets and those pads and the muscles and the extreme talent and the thing that you see them to do on day in a day out basis are human beings. And this game

takes a lot from you. When you're done. It gives you a whole bunch, It changes your life forever, but in the same breath, it takes a whole lot from you. And and as long as I have living left on this earth, which none of us know how much, as young as I may feel, and thirty eight years old as a young age, I don't know what part of the I don't I don't know what part of the the the the spectrum I'm sitting on. I could be really old right now, because my number could be up soon.

My number could be up old. But it's just one of those things where we have to remember we're in a We're in a really good moment right here. Don't come in and mess that up. Um. One of those things that that we have to just remember is just to be kind of people, like to be kind of people, to give when you can give what you can um. And and and there's people like Marian Barber who was on this earth and I only gave a tremendous amount on the football field, he did a ton off of it.

I'm gonna miss my friend, Um, I'm gonna miss my friend. And uh, if you are battling with something, if you are going through something. UM, get get get help, get help, um, get help, get help, um, because it's out there for you and you don't have to battle these things alone. And yeah, I'm gonna miss my friend. I'm gonna tell you like him. Man. That mental thing it's so it's so huge because it'll take your life. Man, and I'm talking about living. You can be living, cannot be a

part of this world. And that's mental. That's some some type of mental thing has gotten on you. And I was hearing stories about marrying and people that I was close to them, and I don't know how close you were to him, just but I tell people like right here, Uh, the government made a conservative effort years ago to start limiting to help for the mental. And uh, every time that we stick our hands in something, my great government, it ain't too many years later it raises his head.

And now this mental thing is so huge. And that's why I tell people be caulful when you're trying to use the word mental, because it's some people out there that has truly challenged. So don't just throw that around like it's just you know, a handshake, you know how you're doing. It's serious, you know, And he knows how seriously it is. And I'm not going to try to get into Maryan's life, but you know you don't. You don't want that mental thing working on you. Um, you

got something or no, I'm sorry, I didn't realize. You know, it's a kind of conversation when I came in, it's all good, Um, and you talk about just the kind of a person he is. Current coach on the Cowboys staff, Skip Pete was also uh Marian's running back coach, and he had something to say last week. Chris has that up, Chris, if you can pull that up for us, Yes, it's

about a minute long. He had some words to to talk and describe who Marian Barber was as a player and as a person, a guy that I'm going to truly miss, had opportunity to coach him for several years. Unbelievable person. I mean, the guy showed up every day, had a smile on his face, came to work. If I could show anybody a model and a role to develop a running back to play in this league, it would be definitely marrying. I mean, the guy came to work every day, practice hard every day, did a great

job in the meetings, every day. He was a little bit like obviously his name Barbarian as a player, very physical, very physical player as a runner, as a protector, and had the ability to run routes out of the backfield. Very unique in that way. But I think the thing that maybe a lot of you really don't know about him is that he was an unbelievable person. Give the shirt off his back, invite people over his house, cooked

dinner for him. He was stopped by my home, play with my kids when they were young, and very personable in that way. I mean, he was very shy when he got to doing what I'm doing right now, but one on one, was very very entertaining to talk to. Hadn't really spoke to him in recent years besides when

I just first got back a man. I'm going to remember as a guy coached, how he came in this building every single day, what he meant to his friends and what he meant to me, the guys he played with, and the determination to try to make everyone a little bit better person. Just add a question for you on this topic of mental health. You know, I know you're an advocate for mental health, and I think there's you know, I know, people that have been affected greatly by you know,

mental health. There's two sides to it. I think one is if you're struggling, right, If you're struggling, how do you reach out or what do you do because it's hard to take that first step right. And then the other side is if you're if you're a friend or a family member, you may not see the signs or you may not know what's you know, you may not know what's going on, but you can tell something's a little off. How do you as you know, talk a little bit about if you need help, what should somebody do?

And then if you're if you're seeing something that's off, what can you do to check in? You know, check on them because they're most people are gonna be I'm fine, I'm good, I'm good, I'm good. But you can tell something's not right, like speak a little. I know you're a big advocate about it. Yeah, let me let me

start with the second one. First, if you're a friend or family member or sibling, whatever it is, and that person and you see that person in your life maybe struggling with something, um, the constant check in because the biggest thing when it comes to mental health it's one. It can be a little bit embarrassing, especially when you

talk about a person of status. Right you for so long you've been feeling of invincibility, right and for so long you've been looked at as this this this figure of strength of just stability, and when you aren't, it's sometimes a little bit embarrassing and kind of almost intimidating to reach out for help. And so as a friend or someone on the outside looking them, the best thing to do is to be honest with them, to show them that you can truly be trusted with their vulnerability.

Continue to be patient with them, because if you're saying get help, get help, get help, get help, that doesn't push me to go and get help. It's hey, I'm here for you. You want to talk, let's talk. And and don't don't listen to respond, don't listen to have an answer, Listen to love that person, Listen to care about that person, Listen to actually what they are saying, and then try to be an advocate for them when

they're facing those tough times. And then on the flip side of things, if you're if you are that person and you're sitting in that seat and you don't feel like yourself and you don't understand what's happening. I mean, of course you look at Google. That's a powerful tool, but but just understand that it is okay not to

be okay. We we we so much so in this world that we live in today, especially the social media driven world, is we have to put up this facade of I am this or I am that, or I am good, or I am above this or above that. And the whole time you're you're you're you're crying, and you're dying inside and and and it's okay. It's okay to understand that something is not right, and it's okay to go out and seek those things or those people

who are here to literally help you. That help is something that we must um uh look at as a place of comfort and a place of It's like it's like lifting weights. It's it's when you're a weak in the position and strength you go when you try to lift weights to get stronger. It's the same thing when you're struggling a little bit weak in your mental health, going to see a therapist, going to see a psychiatrists. That is the that is the calisthetics of the brain

of getting yourself stronger and better. So don't look at it as a weakness. Look at it as that that that I just need to strengthen myself in some areas and I'm open for some improvement and to seek that help. And that's that fine line to be between of um of knowing and going to get that help and as a friend being there supporting that person too they get that help, and then helping them through that process. Because you're going to have some great days and you're gonna

have some hellish days. And when you have those hellish days, you need that support group to be there for you to encourage you, to lift you up, that community to be strong. And I tell people, random people, if there's ever anything that I could ever do, talk to you know, kick it, whatever it is to kind of help you get through that. I am more than willing to do that.

And it takes a community of people to to to wrap their arms around people a person or people to furthermore UM kind of eliminate that stigma of UM of mental health being a bad thing, or suffering from mental health is a bad thing, and it makes you kind of um less than when you're one hundred percent hole, you just need help in certain areas. Do you think that you know, the NFL has tried to address this

problem in recent years and help it. Do you think there are are taking the right steps they need do mores or something different? It can be done. I think there's more. There's always more that you can do. And especially when it hit you some uh with somewhere close and again it comes that can the NFL or other

people do more? Yes, but can that person that's suffering also get you know, you know, want to want to have that help uh and that you know, to be honest with that, that with some of the battle that that we all fought with maryon was you know, getting that help consistently uh for him, you know. And and so yeah, the NFL can do more. And I think as we get more and more, um, we see more

and more of it now. I know that they started the NFLPA has started a program where uh for for for current players and for or retire players, if you are going to get any sort of mental health treatment, whether that be therapy or psychiatric or any any type of medical health thing, is that they're doing a one hundred percent reimbursement of it. So you go and you get that treatment, and you get that therapy, whatever it is that you need at the NFLPA will reimburse you

for those costs that it may take. Some players have insurance, former players have insurance. Some don't. But it's it's it's it's another step in being able to get the help that you need while you're playing and post playing career, because that's when a lot of it really talks to hit, when you get to that post playing career. For players,

I'll tell you this if there's anybody that's listening. I know this is a football show, but you know, if you're struggling with something, or if you just don't feel right, if you're angry all of a sudden and you never used to be, or if something's just you don't feel yourself, it's it's kind of it's cool to go to a counseling session. Go once and it and just to me, I've been and I've always been like I don't need that, and and my my counselor told me after a few sessions,

like you really don't need this. If you want to keep doing this, like you know, there's you know, it's fine to keep coming or whatever, But like, it's very enlightening, it's very it's educational. It lets you understand more about yourself, it helps you deal with it may not be anything with you, but it helps you deal with people. It helps you learn how to talk to people. It helps you learn how to use your eye, words, and you

know those things. I never thought I would ever go to counseling, and I went, and you know, I had reasons why I went and I but it was a really cool process. And I had always put this stigma on it, like I'm I'm this hard ass, like crusty old dude. I don't need anybody telling me like you need to change who you are. And it really wasn't like that. It was really just you know, talking to somebody seeing a different point of view, and it was very I see where that could be possible, and that

how do I deal with that? How do I work with people this way? So it's very it's not just you know, I don't feel I grew up thinking that something had to be wrong with you to go to counseling. A lot of people, yeah, a lot of people, it's almost it's you know what I the equivalent and I'm gonna make light of this, and it's not a light situation, but it's like what we talk about on the show, going and get into pedicure or a manicure. It's like there's this stigma on it, but once you go, you're like,

I might go back. That's actually kind of cool. And it's especially if you just take it as I just want to go talk to someone, because it's someone you don't know. It's someone that has no preconceived notions about you.

They don't know what you do for work, they don't know what your story is, they don't know you as a person, and then they're just honest with you and it's very enlightening and it's it's educational, and I think everybody should go a few times, even if you don't need it, just go because it's a it's a life experience that you know, and for people that are struggling, I mean, it could ultimately save your life. Oh you know,

save mine. I tell legs right here. You know, if you want to get to know yourself, if you truly want to get to know yourself, you know, and all these things that you guys have talked about, if nothing else, that person that's trying to help you going to say who are you? And you get to tell this person and you hope that yourself and I'm hoping I'm saying right is listening. Yeah. So that's how I look at it.

If you want to get to know yourself, go in the room with nobody that, like you said, no preconceived notions, They don't know you, and you get to tell who you are and what you feel and what makes you

feel that way, and listen to yourself talk. It's almost like, yeah, it's almost like when you were a kid and you you talk a certain way, you hear yourself as certain way, and then when you you know, for me, it was a cassette tape and you recorded your voice for the first time and then you heard it, you're like, oh

my god, like that's me. That's kind of the same way with therapy, Like you think you you are this person and you go in and then someone tells you this is what I see and you're like, holy crap, that's not what I thought at all. Ye. Right now, layers pulled back, man, those layers are pulled back, and you under you discover, like you said, you discover more about who you are. I'll end on. Um, just a story about marrying that again. I have a hundred of them. Um,

two quick stories. One we laughing joke on this show, right, and it's what do you guys call me? Right? You see? Well you amen, you know the prophet that you know all that kind of stuff, right. Well, one thing that I am comfort in knowing that I knew that Mary and knew the Lord, and um, he would always call me. He would always call me, Um, Jeremiah Hollygrove. You call me Jeremiah Hollygrove. And if you know anything about Jeremiah, right,

he was a weefing prophet, right. So when you so when we laugh at joke about being called the prophet, like Marion had been calling me that for years. He was like, oh man, you you Jeremiah called and he called me Jeremiah holly Grove, Jeremiah Hollygrove. Like you tell it, man, you you tell it like it is man, you you Jeremiah Hollygrove. He would always like, man, read Jeremiah, you

you Jeremiah. Man, you Jeremiah Hollygrove. And so um I laughed because like you know, you hear things and you see things coming to fruition and he's like, man, you Jeremiah holly Grove. And then another story just about how super awesome a Maan A Marian was when we were playing. Um, there's a guy who works with Oh he doesn't work on the staff, but he works with a lot of players. Now Michael Irvin goes to him, and guy's name is Igor. Okay,

Igor has a gym in rock Wall. He's a gymnastics coach and Igor Igor, I'm not gonna say we, I'm gonna say Mary, and is the reason that Egor is even even a name that's known around the Cowboys facility. Marrying so I was living in Irving. We're still over in Valley Ranch, and he's like, hey, man, come train with us. So it was me to shar Choice Felix Jones, Sam Hurd, Marian Barber. I'm like, mb I live in Irving, you know he lived at the time, he lived in

his penthouse downtown. I said, I'll come once in a while, but I'm not driving from Irving to Rockwall to train. It's like almost an hour, right, I'm I'm just gonna drive right down the street to Valley Ranch and just make it happen. Man, I listen, he said, meet me at my house. Just meet me at my house. Days weeks months, I would meet him at his house and he would drive us from Dallas to Rockwall from Rockwall, Dallas every single day, every single day. Now we're all

in the league. Now I'm probably the lowest man on the totem pole when it comes to who made the money. He was the top. And so after a while, I'm just like, hey, you know how much is training? And He's just like, I don't worry, don't worry about I just you want to train some more? Come on. So I pulled Ego to the side because what I didn't want was I didn't want to get to the end of this training sense. Egos like, hey, uh, here's a here's an invoice for ten thousand dollars that you owe

for training and you know, all offseason. So I I kind of pulled Ego to the size and I said, they coach. I said, between you and I I'm like, you know, what's my ticket? You know, like, what's what's my ticket? I don't don't surprise me. I don't I don't got surprise money. He's like, what do you mean? I said, you know, the train and we trained, we did gymnastics styles training and then we did a speed training with Coach Fly and he said, now you're good,

and I'm like, what does that mean? Like, I'm very, I'm very I want to be very clear because I don't want to owe you anything. I don't want to be under your thumb for nothing. You know what does that mean? And it's like, you're taking care of I'm like, okay, so what is it. I'm I'm to get to the bottom of what is my ticket? What is this going to cost me? He said, Mary took care of it already.

He just wanted you to come. And I was like what He's like, so as long as you want to come, Mary said that you're taking care of and that was that was who he was as a person. He just like, as long as you want to come, Mary and said you're taking He said you are taken care of. You're good, and I was like really, He's like yeah. And I

remember one day we were driving back and forth. He drove up like his everyday car was Escalad and we've stopped at the gas station and I was just like, I said, hey, bro, I got it, Like let me do it. Let me feel this one up, like you know what I'm saying. And he cried at the gas pump and he said, you know, most people don't do anything for me. It's always what can I do for them?

And it was that simple gesture of saying, let me just feel your gas tank up for driving me every day, you know, like let me do this every one too, you know, once a week or some like that, just to say thank you. I can afford to do this. And he cried at the gas pump and he was just like, because most people are looking to take from me, not many people are looking to give to me. And so that's who, that's who. That's who my friend was.

That that's who marrying uh Barbara was. And I know everyone says Mary to Barbarian side though he hated being called to Barbaria. He hated it because he always he all looked at like, I'm not a Barbarian. That's not who I am. I know, people, I get I get it, I get it. He understood it. He hated the name. He hated so um yeah, um, So there's no easy way to transition from that. Practice has started today. We'll get more into that Kirk got a bunch of stuff.

I don't know if you're gonna take this seat back or not. If I'll stay here and host it and do my thing. Man took my seat, go ahead and host. I don't ever get to talk about anything. Okay, we're perfect to talk about anything. We just well, on the other side of the break, we'll we'll get into all the stuff that Kurt has uh set out for to talk about today. Dalton Schultz, he's a little frustrated about it. Is Tyler Smith working at Tacoue one reporter talking about

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is basic. Restrictions and exceptions may apply. Back Hanging with the Boys Welcome back. Welcome back to the most search podcast on the Cowboys Network, Hanging with the Boys. I am Jesse Holly. I'm joined by my brothers, Kurt Daniels, Shannon Gross and the Big Nate Nasty Newton. Did you like Pean called when people called you nasty? N No, I'm looking at the Wayne stop shooting. Nate Hungry Newton? Did like kitchen? Oh yeah, that's my name there? You'd

like the kitchen. What's the best nickname? Let me pay bills first, I'm trying to steal hush. This segment is brought to you by Wingstop where Flavor gets its wings. Now, I don't know how it works on this side of the table. What's the best nickname you guys have ever heard? Any could be a friend, sport, anything. What's the best nickname of any person? Or what what's the nickname you had at some point in your life? I'll start I might have told y'all before cat squirrel, squirrel, I've never

heard that. Yeah. So I used to back was Louisiana and they don't know he country. I used to bartend and and uh in college, and after college I bartended a college barton. Every night there'd be two or three fights and I'd be behind the bar, and if one broke out at the bar, I would I would jump. I would jump across the bar and grab and fly off the bar and like grab them and put them in a rear naked choke and hold them and hold

them until the bouncers got there. And all the guys called me cat squirrel because they said pretty quick boy being across that ball. I was little I was little, but you still still what could you see over the bar? I could see over the ball, I could slean drinks. Boy, I was a hell of a bartender. They didn't might not taste it real good, But I worked on volume. Bro. It was a college bar. It was. Yeah. It was a little plastic cups. We sold like three dollars drinks.

We had like dollar beer night. Yeah it was it was nuts. But yeah, cat squirrel, Yeah, cat squirrel. What's a good one? Y'all heard wow that squirrel? And recently I thought it was good. Now came it was pretty good. You had you had one, you had a nickname Bro baseball man. Yeah, dirty Curt. I like Dirty Curt though I was a dirty Curt, like dirty Hurt. Wasn't because you wanted to. I'm just playing ball. Get dirty? Oh?

I like dirty curtain Chance. For a reason, I thought it was gonna be like linked down that trail, LA Park, double wide. Holly, what's yours? Jes Mine has always been Hollywood? What about you? How many different ones did you have? The kitchen was a favorite. My favorite one was big Time, which my coach. I like that a coach in high school and high school. Big time. Huh were you? Were you a chunky man in high school? Or man, Let me show y'all a picture. Man, Oh, I like college.

Let me show you. Let me see what I pull it up? Man, Man, I was sexy, bro man, not man, I'm serious. Yeah, y'all can laugh all you want, Bro, Big Noon was sexy, cold blooded, sexy goodness. You know, y'all can call it what you want to, big fella, you call it what you want to. What some of the nicknames that Dan called before, y'all look at it? Timms? Is that a fact? Guy? Bad pants? That's the green top and you know it just my room rust color man? Yeah,

a sexy Now you gotta show. We're gonna show the people. We're gonna show sex. Yeah, big sexy town. Was that in your D line in days? Yeah? When I first got there, that's when I made all we see. Yeah, look at that big sexy new I had a book in my hand, too bad. I just woke up and went up to the lunch room and walked back. You just come from clash, Yeah, but I got yeah, job n. What's some of the nicknames that Dan called you? Those insults, hogg, M DG. Yeah, that was it? You know he called

me the other day. You know I'm the last person he gonna call. I ain't got nothing else to do. Let me call called Nadan clown. Hey, Hoggy, what's up? What's up? Hog a? M D. You're gonna be fat. I don't care if you lose weight. I don't give you one hundred and eighty pounds. You're still a fat man. I see. Okay, that that that I told you all about when we were training camp was that last That was last year. Me and he were eating lunch and the phone rings and it's a it's uh. We got

him in prime Time. He's like, watch this turns it all. He puts it old speaker and he goes, what's up, fat man? And Nate insults him. He insults him back. Nate insults him back, He insults him back, and he hangs up like it was no conversation. It was just this this, this, this, this hang up. And I always try to start it right. I'll say this. I said every time, what's up? Prime? Wait? What's up? Prime? You wait? I'm like, can you do something different? No? You're a

fat man? Okay, you dirty, stinging, low down rat. Well keep it on the themes of nicknames adults. Shultz his nickname is franchise tag and he's frustrated. So Dalton Shultz, that's not like a man need to go find him a woman. All that money. Shultz was franchise tagged by the Cowboys this offseason and he signed it. He signed it quick, quick, quick too. I mean, when you go from a person who he never had that much money to being offered some guaranteed money, you take that all.

You take that guaranteed money and now and now, and he's kind of don't know what to do. So now he's frustrated because he thought, over most players think, is that you signed the franchise tag and then you begin to work on a long term deal. Well that long term deal or to talk, so that longer term deal may not be proceeding in the way that Dalton Shorts thought it would, or his agent or his agent, whoever

it may be. Of course, the agent is always trying to get to play the most money because they they get a percentage of that and so three percentage of maxes what you can get from an agent on your NFL contracts, So they're trying to say, hey, push that number up as far as we can get it, because I need to get my cut as well. I was gonna say, here's something to think about. I never thought about this until this year. You signed what he signed

for like thirteen fourteen million, yeah, maybe eleven. You don't get paid until you play your first regular season game, so like if something happens between now and in preseason or training camp, like he gets zero money because there's no guaranteed money on the franchise tag, like you don't get a check until you played the first regular season game. I never thought about that. And if I'm not mistaken, no, because they already he already signed it. I was gonna

if he hadn't signed it in point nine. Yeah, if he hadn't signed it, the Cowboys can pull that franchise tag back if he but he already signed it, so that's already a done deal. The Cleveland really threw a wrench and the whole works here because they signed their tight end David and jo you know, fifty six point seventy five million deal four years. I mean that's Cowboys did not want to pay Schultz that. No, I'm sure Schultz's age, just like Sholtz had a better year than

this doubt guy. You know, he needs this kind of money and me to call him something else he was was? What was that bad? Yeah? Um? Does Dalton Schultz have the right to be frustrated? Nah? I mean I think he has. He can feel frustrated because he wants this to be done, but he doesn't maybe have the skins on the wall to have that kind of leverage where he can pobarly Ezekiel. You know when Zeke held out for his his deal, he I mean, Dalton's not in that class where he can have that kind of land

everage you get. I mean, is that true? Or is he the only option they got? So he does have some leverage. I think that is the leverage you got rid of his competition. What round did we draft him? Fourth, same round we drafted the tight end this year. Yeah, I think that that is his I think when when Dalton Shultz and his agents walk to the table, sit down at the table, they say, listen, who you got? They say, they say one, They go, you know the

guy that you pay forty million dollars to. You want to know the guy who we threw the ball to. Kind of almost if not the most the second most on this football team. It's my guy. You know the guys who had some of the best numbers as a receiver on this football team. It's my guy. Oh and by the way, everything that you have behind him is

either just a flat out blocker or rookie. Now, do you want to have you're a forty million dollars dude safety net not show up and be there, or do you want to trust your forty million dollars dude with a bunch of other guys who aren't route runners? And who are who's either rookie? And by the way, who you got starting a wide receiver on Game one? Yeah, Cdnober, maybe Washington, we don't know. So he has some leverage.

I mean, he has some leverage. And I'm always for the players getting his most money they possibly can, no matter who they are, what they or what they've done. I've never ever been mad when the Joneses have given out a bunch of money because nine time my tend is going to a player, no problem. But I do have a problem when it all comes down to the end, when you say, wow, man, we really paid this dude that type of money because it ain't showing up on

the field. And that's a great question. So that's that's a great statement, Nate, because we you go back to it, you look at and you go the Cowboys front office had really been that good. And when it comes to negotiating and getting deals done right, look at recent history. You could have got Dak for a lot less than forty million dollars. But they they they they they bluffed, and they bluffed and they bluffed, and they cost them. Zeke had two years left on his deal. Zeke had

two years left on his deal. They could have been like, listen, son, you can hold out all you want, if you want to play the game of football in the National Football League, you will do it for us, or you won't do it at all. At least that's what they should have done. But what did they do. They cave. They gave Zeke a bunch of money, and now what's happening. They're regretting it. Um. You look at that, You look at the deal. Um Um, I'm drawing the blank. Um. You look at the deal

that they gave Jayleen Smith. Right when they was in the they were in the negotiation a Dak Prescott, they were kind of like, well, Bundy's there whoever come get it gets it. Taylor said, I'll take care and they paid them. All of a sudden, Dan Click came and said, this guy can't play football. He literally cannot play football. I can, in the words of of of of Mike Singletary, can't play with them, can't win with them. I can't

do nothing with this guy that you've just paid. You know what, But the bottom line is simply this right here. Now you find to do the same thing for a fourth round pick tight end that Now y'all may not believe that is you know, I understand that players come when players come, but you just really telling than me that the real reason this guy was who he was was it was two guys that were standing outside that

add up everything of value. That was a Maori Cooper and that was that CD Lamb and they add up everything of value. But I'm still gonna come to the table of his agent and say, you can come on the numbers, say that he was a B and C. Yeah, so when that second corner to get on him, you'd be like, wow, why should say doing what he did?

And then y'all gonna blame the offensive coordinator. Cowboys just play off this tag one year and then leave it to Ferguson to come in and if if they are if I think that Zeke contract which is now biting him in the butt had and the Jalen contract, it's kind of been a sticking point for them. They're saying, you know what, no more of us getting these bad deals in, no more of us giving players money who maybe don't deserve long term money. I say play the tag out from for me, I say play the tag

out now. This goes back to that playing that game of chicken. Now the Soults goes out there because we don't know what the receiver. You know, the receiver kind of to be cashed for twelve hundred yards and eight and eight tds tends you tip your hat to him and you had him a check, and you had him a check. But or you let him go somewhere else. But let these dudes prove it. I'm trying to We should know by now one year does not make you a bull dog. It may make you a high class poodle,

but it does not make you a bullet. Had two years of sixty catches. I will be shocked if he is not here when it's mandatory he gonna come. Man, I think this is all agent driven. I don't think they're just knowing his works. One week back, you said you don't get paid nothing, not a dime. Yeah, it's start. Yeah, I mean knowing his work ethic. Like if you ever stay around after practice, he's the last one to leave the field. He's running sprint after practice like that. There's

no way he misses any kind of time. No way. I will be shocked a little bit. The Njoko contract is actually really friendly. Yes, it is two years. If you really look, got three meal the first year and what the second year? Yeah, so first year is three million and the second year was like eight. Yeah, but you're paying Shultz ten this year ten five right to

nine almost eleven, almost eleven million dollars. Well, how nice is that you go from that rookie deal that he had to just here's one year that you're gonna make more than you would have if you'd played under your rookie deal for twenty years. Now in twenty twenty four, he's making eighteen against the restructure. Well, all right, we got one more second left. We still got some top and talk about Tyler Smith working about left tackle. This this is your This is gonna be your This is

gonna be your this is gonna be your deal right here? Uh, Nathan got his head of his microphone discussion. Tyler Tyler Smith worked at left tackle. Should he focus on one position or flip back and forth? This? Ain't it do when we drafted it for the left guard? Right? This is he? He is him? I tackle and then and your boy, your boy, your boy. Tyrone Smith already dealing with some back issues and OTAs. Okay, well you know what? Wait, wait, wait, maybe what is it? Man? Stay with us. We'll be

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yes it is. You have the only six time Pro Bowl offensive lineman on this show, so therefore you have no choice but to take offensive lineman related questions. Tyler Smith this week was this year was drafted to be the starting left guard according to Mike McCarthy and company, um even though he played tackle at Tulsa. Well at OTA's because your boy Tyrn Smith was out with some back issues already, Tyler Smith was playing some left tackle.

And before you start about the transition from right tackle to right guard. I mean from left tackle to left guard, left guard to left tackle. The Governor had some words about this transitioning and maybe not as difficult as you think. The President governor, he's special. I'm sorry, I'm sorry special, sorry, but I'm saying he's special. Zach Martin had some things to say about that transition. For me, I'd rather stay on one side than move right side the left side.

So at least he's kind of the footwork is summer, and obviously the protection stuff in space is different. But at least um your footwork in the run game especially, he's going to be the exact same at left tackle left guard. I hate this, so it'll be good for him to do both. Don't do that, don't do that. Don't do that. You're saying, you say special, you said the president specially. See. This is what bothers me. I

hate this. This is what bothers me. When the elite after let starts talking like why why did Magic Johnson not last as a coach, He's like, man, you didn't see that, dude, break down the lane. No magic, I'm six two, you were six nine. Magic. You had exceptional perifrium vision. Magic you know what I'm saying. Come on, mate, Yeah, when I rotated the ball all over there, you didn't know to swing back on. No magic, I didn't have

that IQ. You have magic. This kid that is talking has been in the league, has been elite, has been a first All offensive lineman, All Pro when he walked in the league. No, this kid put him at a position. Let him work that position. And if and if, my man, who I love the death and you had a thing last week? How important Tyronn is still probably the fourth third or fourth most important guy on our offense. If he's not, if he's having back issues, now, they's just

put this kid left tackling. Let's roll with it and find your left guard. Let's not play that game. Because that same forty million dollar brother, that same forty million dollars quarterback he was talking about saying that Shouts is the number two receiver. Now, don't he need to have some time to throw the ball to get it to this guy Tyring? Play? You gotta play him. You can't put him. I mean, if his back hurt, what money is this? If it's back hurting in June? How how?

How how are we gonna pamper him through training camp because if it's hurting, now, do you think all right? So from the Romo treatment. Real question, do you think he's hurt his back is really bothering or do you think he just like I'm in my eighty seventh season, I just don't want to. But see, this is the thing about it, when you become a certain guy like Tyrone, is when you become that guy, you just walk out there with your jersey on. What's wrong today? I ain't practicing?

Why why I gotta have a stiff back? Why has anything got to be wrong? Hey man? Just saving it for the season, isn't that Yeah, that's the most simplest way when you see what a veteran guy, Why has it always got to be something wrong? Because now you're giving us guys saying, wow, man, if it's back hurt now, as soon as soon as uh, Big Sam's hid him, because that's a big old guy. As soon as Big Sam join me here with this bull rush, what's gonna

happen to that back? Then? Noah? Man, he if he ain't practicing, just telling people, hey man, we're saving him for us for the season. So if so, if say that he does start the season and he inevitably gets hurt. Dude, what was that word? You don't don't make me say that. He pronounced like nate, like bugs. Buddy, never never understood it. I understood. Take like, middle of the season, would you take Tyler Smith and move him from left guard to

left tackle? If ye, we move him in the middle of Oh yeah, I'm moving because it's still come down to your best five. It's still as a rookie, you'd want him. This is it, this is what you focus on. This is this is where you're gonna be if you here's something the President did said the right thing. He ain't like he going over to the other side. Like we did a right tackle. How we said, oh, hey, you're great over here, right tackle. Oh let's track overre see.

Because I tell people it's two positions you just can't play with. That's the left tackle in the center. You can't mess around because both of these guys are so so important to that quarterback. They are so so important. So but I want to have a problem with him

sliding out there but doing it. You know, that's if Tyrone gonna miss a couple of games, you know, but if he gonna but if he's gonna be out the rest of the season, which nine times happen, Tyrone, don't get mad at him, because if you go out that first game, then you know he's gonna miss four more. It ain't never failed. If you go out one game, we always say he will be back. He's feeling good, he's day to day, and now of a sudden, the

day to day turned in like three weeks. Situation. Yeah, man, I gotta move your rookie to left tackle, and then you got to fill your left guarden. We got more guards, i think now than we have tackles. Who is the swing tackle? Who is the backup tackle? They're talking potentially bar that have you seen ball? Have you seen ball play? He just hurt all last year. That's what I'm saying. The rookie guy. The other guy, he's a rookie. He has nothing on the left tackle, the guy Williams. He

has nothing on Williams. And he has nothing on the big guy, the big, big old You know they got a big old tackle out there too, like bigger than the world. Besides, well, let's go on, he left or right. I think he's been working on the left sum He was a guy they talked about us. Maybe they got here's who they got, list of his tackles. Aimon Simon, Well, let's go, Tyler Smith, Josh Ballavante Collins, Tyrn Smith and Terrence Steele. Well, let's go to the ball or both

six hades. They're pretty good balls a big dude. Yeah, but they do they have feet because when you go to the left tackle and you don't have feet and Dak and Dak, you better run, you better condition conditioning. I'm telling y'all, if Dak stand back there with all of these unknowns, because when you it's one thing that an unknown offensive line, you can design something to get the ball out, quick, swing it, you know, move around.

But guess what you have a second unknown. You got a whole slight knew wide receivers at different positions and different responsibility. So now you got two unknowns. So you're just gonna drop back and hope for the best. That's that's man. I've been unknown your running game too. If they're gonna be able to do anything more, you're not feeling me with a lot of confidence. I'm just being honest. Man, I gotta win in two games. Man. Oh, here we

go until training camp. They ain't got him seventeen and oh, I think that's it right there. I think we end on that. I think Nate saying they got win two games, they got to earn two game. Now they're gonna go four and on the preseason three and on the preseason. We need to win every game we can. Let's see, we need to go through and on preseason, y'all. I don't think so. Oh boy, well, I'll try to win it.

We'll finish up OTAs this week, right, and then we'll start voluntary without voluntary, mandatory mandatory this see, this is a volum told and then it's you better show or we're gonna tap them pockets. Uh? Is that next week? Next week? Next week? So mandatory mini camp starts next week. That's when all the big dogs are back. Dollar shows will be there, a slice of pizza. He doesn't show, okay, mini camp, Mini camp, Okay, really play. They can find they can they can find him up to like fifty

grand a day every day he doesn't show. You ain't even got no money yet. I was saying, yeah, he still went on the first chair. You still holding on. You have to get an advanced advancing that money, Um, come on Man Hill. Come on, yeah, Don's gonna see you in the hallway. Now you got you got some words for you. Only person he's been been at having the words me is Parson. I looked at that dude. I'm like, that's the only dude over the word. But that's the only one everybody else. Get with it, bro,

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