Hangin' With The 'Boys: Remembering Jim Garrett

too bad. Boys a little frog, he's got his he's got a strip club DJ Boys James rynnolds Uh sent me a Twitter message last week, why because the Eagle needed? What's up, Nate? You demand Nate's writing something. We are We got a new setup here. This is weird because now on that monitor in the corner, look it's delayed. Who I don't know if I like the monitor in the corner that shows the show. And then we're getting fancy.

I think we're gonna show some video clips now starting on some of our shows, and we'll be able to see those over in the corner. So we get we're getting high tech. We're getting produced, right Douglas. Oh yeah, the good people in our TV production department, I know, Dave and Kent, Dave, Ernest and Kent is back there. Yeah, who who? Who will be? Caden is going to provide us with some highlights so they Cayden in searched the videos.

He does as far as I know. And there are others back there, and I'll get a complete list so that we can thank them appropriately. Yeah, that'd be great. Wow, man, I'd be great. No, No, I'm to do the credits at the end of the show. The show I should have. Wow. Man, how did y'all feel first weekend without football? You guys? Okay? The Olympics help ease the football angst. I watched little Olympics, actually went to the man. The game you got out

in public? Wow? No, whether you're sick for once? Nice? You go the Lakers game? Yeah yeah? Or saw the Nate's favorite player, Isaiah Thomas playing there. Let me say this, my friend. Uh, but I enjoyed my weekend without football. Man. I watched basketball on TV. Now I'm gonna get more into the college scene of basketball, and I enjoyed. Man. And uh, it's all about the draft now. Yeah, we can look forward to the draft. Now we can look at the draft. I don't know if we can look

forward to it. I just want to know who we're gonna get. We have a we have a special treat today. We have a toll free phone line now here at the Star. Will you answer it? I mean, for three weeks you've been talking about now. I don't think anybody's called. It's a little early for our normal crowd. I don't think they're used to us being on a way. No, they're not awake, but we'll try to call us. Eight eight eight what's the show? Two two nine secs. Look at that and they can read it on the screen.

About that, call us, it's on the screen. We would love to hear what's on your mind hanging with the boys this offseason? So we have we got a little bit of little little bit of bad news over the weekend. What was that Coach Garrett's father passed away. Jim Garrett, a long time scout for the Cowboys. Kurt. Uh, you guys had a little bit to do help? Uh, you had an article on it or something. Yeah, we actually ran a documentary about Jim and Jason just a couple

of years ago. It's back up on the site now, or it's featured on the site now if you want to check it out. It's very cool. Um. We also, Jeff Sullivan, one of our long time freelance guys here, had been up to interview Jim. He went up there once and interviewed him in person a couple of years ago when Jim's health was already kind of failing, had a chance to sit down him down with him, talk to him for quite a while, and then it's also had a few phone conversations with him. He wrote a

great kind of tribute to Jim on the website. I would definitely check that out, Jeff Sullivan's article on it, so it's very nice. And Jim had an amazing life. I mean, I don't know how much, Nate, if you guys crossed path much here when in the nineties, but Jim was a scout here for thirty something years and

I had some pretty interesting stories. It sounds like, yeah, scouted scout Troy or Emmett one of those guys, right, because if you do the tour up here and right outside of scouting, they have the actual original handwritten sheets. And I believe Jim Garrett was on I know one of those guys. Yeah, I think it was aikman, yeah, And I mean he scouted everybody but that was one

of his big ones, was Aikman, but he was. One of his famous stories was he was big on Randy Moss and in the scouting uh, you know, guys get together and talk about players. I think at the time head coach chan Gailey didn't want the potential headaches and Moss you might remember Nate and I think mister Jones didn't really want to go down that road either because, uh, some of the things with Michael Irvin going on at

the time. But Jim supposedly got on the table and said, you know, this is the NFL, this is not the Boy Scouts, and it was like demanding that we draft Moss, and obviously we didn't and the rest is history show. Yeah, Hall of Fame now, So, um, that was one we kind of wished Jim had been right on, but he was right. We wish he'd been able to talk him into it. So yeah, that documentary is the documentary in

the article as well. Um, I don't believe it's part of the documentaries on the front page of the of the website. Yeah, that's an interesting, interesting watch. You know how he mentored kids even even after he got out of got out of scouting. Yeah, bring him to his house and yeah, the Miles Awesome was Miles Awesome was from the area up there in New Jersey where Jim Garrett was, and Jim Garrett actually worked him out in his backyard basically, and uh, it was kind of the

key person to get Miles signed. So that turned up pretty well. You know what's amazing. I tell people all the football stuff, that's that's great, you know, and I tell people that all of that. But when I when I ran across mister Garrett, he was always a gentleman. I always had nice things to say. And I tell people this ain't always the case. And I told Douglas to send it back. It ain't always the case. But I said, if you really want to know what a man and a woman about, look at the kids. Look

at the kids. And it ain't always the case. But look at look at look at the kids. And you look at John. I mean you look at it one in scout and you look at Jason, gentleman all he speak, always got a kind We're always with the proper etiquets. Thank you, no, sir, yes, sir, Just look at the kids. Man. Yeah, speaking of which they him and his wife were married sixty something years. I think they had eight kids in eight years, with no twins. Busy, busy, really cold winners

come back home. He waste no time. Yeah, you know. An interesting tidbit I didn't know until probably a year or two ago. I think it might have been when I was watching the Deep Blue documentary. Was Jason and Judd Judd that's in scouting now, played in an NFL game together? Right? Yes? Yeah, he played fullback? I think, is that right? He was a running back. It might have been fullback, might have been tailback, yep. I think now.

Was it a preseason game or was it a regular ship It may have been pre I think it was preseason because I think Judd never was on the active roster. Yeah again, Nate may know Nah, yeah, to play? I mean, you know, I don't know. I don't know. You know, sorry, do Water mean the other night we did something for the Cowboys up at the other night. Dude Waters send me talking about you know, said said, play backup quarterback. I see Jason, nah, say, riding to Pete Nah. He

kept giving me his name. I said, let me tell you something. This is this is the quickest way to know something. I said, man, you know the guys you a cowboy? Yeah, I know everybody sor right, So I mentioned the names had never heard of. I told him, do I see that's the end of that. Oh man, Well Jim Garrett passed away over what was it Saturday night? I think it was Friday, Friday night? And uh he lived a great life. I mean, yeah, talk about a life well spent. He was pitomized that. Yeah, go check

out that. Definitely check out the article and if you get you get thirty minutes or so to watch the that Deep Blue documentary. It's it's it's really interesting. So you know, I look at people, man every day and I watch folks and I feel bad for people that just wake up every morning looking to see the world be bad. Final read this, dude never did that. Every time I summons to Garrett upbeat and that got to be. Everybody had problems, but you never certain people. You never know.

Here you go make gul wow, wow, wow wow, here's someone that can actually speak to the subject we're talking about with a lot of knowledge. We would like to welcome to the show. Yes, the one put the one that has the L on it on your left ear. No, you're not used to wearing headsets. Wow, why you messing with a girl? Man who would like to Welcome to the show, Rocks the Fox medina. I told you no. Applause, Rosanne, what's up? Nate has been wanting to get you on

this show. Simp believe she came on. Thank you asked me. I did not want to, Okay, I was about to kill Douglas. We know you're We know you're busy. Especially even everybody asked what we do during the off season, and they don't understand. We really don't, especially you guys don't have an off season. So Rosanne, Nate's been trying to get her on since ever. So she sits right outside of our podcast studio. She is what is what is your title? And tell people exactly what you do.

I am the senior editor and producer for the Dallas Cowboys Broadcast Department, and I produce an edit the Jason Garrett Show, and I do all the team highlight videos and motivational videos for the team during the season UM and then I produce with Kurt Um some Deep Blue documentaries. UM also do some preseason pregame shows produced those and on game day I'm actually doing the videography for our highlights for our broadcast. So on game day, you're on

the field. I'm on the field with the campus hurt your back. Rocks may have more access than anybody in the Yeah, she does every team meeting everything Shannon on game days on the sideline, I suspect a lot. We talk a lot on the sideline, distract her, I try to get I have missed a couple of shots because we was talking about mister Garrett. Jim Garrett. Do you have any I mean, you know him, tell us something

about him to touch you. Um. I met mister Garrett years ago when he was a scout here, and honestly, I don't think he met anyone that was a stranger to him. I mean, my first day I was an intern in our little office area was a little closet around the corner from the scouting department. So he sees me walk in and he was like I was his best friend on the first day of work. I mean saying hi, asking about me, asking about my family, asking where I was from, and then he'd tell a story

about his time in Ohio. I mean, he was a really really special man and to this, you know, shortly before he got ill. I was still in communication with him because I had done a Deep Blue on him and how Jason got to where he was today. So we spent a lot of time at his house doing interviews and with him and his family. So he was a really really special man. Yes, you know when they did break the mold, when they made him. You know, he was one of a kind and he loved everyone

he came in contact with. Yeah, so if you go watch the video we were talking about, I'd forgotten you were the Yeah. Yeah, and his son jud was the writer on it. So for some reason we just said, why don't we just do the story. You write it, I'll I'll edit it and we'll come up with something great.

And I made him narrate it too, So it was it was a It was a special It was a special project, and it was one that probably my favorite project that I was a part of because the day we went to interview him, Um, we went to New Jersey. We flew up there. Um we went there for a game.

I don't remember what week it was in New York, but Scott Purcell and I drove from the airport the charter site to New Jersey And when we knocked on the door, there was like six guys that had worked out in his backyard sitting there waiting to watch him get interviewed and then to do an interview with us afterwards. Wow. So it was I mean, they came from all over, not from just New Jersey. They were coming from New York,

they were coming from Connecticut. They were coming from all over to come and participate in the story of his life. So that's what kind of man he was. It's awesome. So how long have you been with the Cowboys since nineteen ninety five? Wow? So you started when you were twelve? Yes, all right. So and you have and like Kurt said, you probably have more access than probably anyone in the building.

So you've become really close to Coach Garrett from being in all the you shoot all the team meetings, you shoot all the pregame speeches, you're in the locker room for the postgame speeches, you do special projects, so you've become really close to Coach Garrett. So you have Rocks has Rocks has things that she cannot speak about you things I have seen. I've been in every meeting for the last four years. I believe, and it's it's pretty interesting.

I mean, I would think I know a little bit more about the xs and os and the routes and stuff like that, but I still don't understand what they're talking about. But you know, what's amazing if I've seen some of her work that she's done behind closed doors and some of the speeches and some of the things that Coach Garrett has said, you know, like you said, she can't talk about it, you know, and it's just amazing.

It's amazing that you know, one day, you know, whether things trying out good for Coach Garrett a bad or whatever, and he gonna he gonna have you, he gonna have to come here, say do my book right, Yeah, because she knows right, you know, and An has it documented. Yeah, and I have to get Kurt to actually write it for But let me tell you what's amazing and what really well just really outsided pushing big when we had

my man was my guy, Todd Todd Williams. Todd Williams, and you told you told everybody, hey, be ready to do anything if you asked to be a part of this program. Tell them how you had, how you got to your car and drove to film the Dallas Cowboys when you first started. Yeah, I see, I don't even know. How did you remember that? Yeah? Yeah, how did you get your start with the Yeah? It was actually pretty

interesting and it goes around to publications. The publications department was looking for part time data entry people, and I was, you know, looking for any job I could. Back in nineteen ninety five, I'm just trying to get I'm not from Texas, I'm from Ohio. So I'm just trying to get work and work or work in sports or just work. Okay, M huge Dallas Cowboys fan. Coming from Ohio, huge Dallas Cowboys fan. I thought, why not? You know, all they can do is say no. So um my resume unfortunately

didn't reflect data entry. It reflected broadcast. So I had done, you know, I'd gone to an art school. I had, you know, done all these internships during school. I've done all these broadcast projects and I was, you know, everything on there said you know television, this broadcast, that camera worked, this and all that. Well, they called me and said, we can give you this data entry job, but we

have this internship. It's free, you don't get paid, but it's experienced you know, get you you know, in the door here if you'd like it. And I was like, absolutely, I don't need money. I'll sleep on this couch for

another six months. I can do that. And I came in and interviewed with John Chang, who was the boss at that time, and you know, he let me come in the door and he he didn't have to teach me much editing or you know, anything about the cameras because I had come from a pretty intensive on hand you know, in you know, hands on program and I didn't have to worry about, you know, asking a lot

of questions. So he appreciated that. My first, you know, first week, I was you know, on a sideline in the game and I was just in shock that I was there. And the first person I had to follow around to get to his proper spot in the postgame show was Troy Aikman. So after that, you know what what's left Nate Newton. So we had you know, some pretty good year, you know, pretty good year and you know, going to the playoffs and you know, I'm sorry, you're

an intern. You can't really come with us. Okay, Um, what if I drove there? If you drive there, you can come well, you know, I don't need a place to stay. My uncle lives there. I was like, well, then, come on, So I drove. I started probably two days before, and you know, made a little visit to my uncle and Bowl. No it was not the Super Bowl. Was a playoff game in Carolina. Yeah. Yeah, playoff game in Carolina, and I didn't get to go to the Super Bowl. Hey,

hey we got knocked out. They broke Beyon I that's right, Michael got injured in Yeah, they broke up our best players. But Nate's a huge road trip fan, and so that forever endeared Rocks in his heart. Yeah, well did it for you? Like I knew that? But no, I totally didn't know. I just wanted to because I didn't know if I was going to be here again next year. So I wanted to take the opportunity and you know, get myself there if I could, and you know, experience

a playoff football game on the road. Yeah. So who knew. I didn't know I was going to be there next year. And the only reason why I was was because the intern they had they needed more help. Ye not saying anything bad about that intern that they had the year after, but they needed more help, so they called me back

and that was the only reason I was there. So another case of for all of you people that asked how we get into sports, we do what we do because we love it, and we do it whenever we can and do whatever you can to to just chip in, like you have to drive. You know. We were talking about how Todd was an intern and he was putting tenfold on windows and training camp to here. Then we started at the same time. Did you really this job's a little bit better and more. Yeah, we started at

the same time. That's debatable, Rocks. I don't, Oh, well, this is true. I guess it depends on who you ask. So let me ask you this. So you since you do so much with the team and the behind the

scenes thing. I think the one thing, one thing that surprises me most about Coach Garrett is how awesome of a speaker he is, Oh incredible, And we've we've been fortunate enough when he'll speak at our State of the Union that we have to all the employees like once a year, and we've been in a couple of meetings that have been like just team functions where he tells he tells the most amazing stories and it's people think

he's a robot, but yeah, but he's. Yeah. So what's something that you can talk about and that surprises you or that people you think will be surprised to know about? Coach Garrett He's funny. I know that people don't see a lot of that, but he's he's really funny. And the most the most amazing times are on Friday afternoons doing the team videos together. It's you know, me, his assistant,

Steve Brown, and Chad Bowing, the mental conditioning coach. We we all sit in my little edit suite for four hours on Fridays and just you know, go through whatever it is to try to get this video to go with along with the speech that he has in mind. And coaches in there with you. Coach is in there with us. So the four of you sitting there at your workstation and putting together a video. Yeah, and he'll

go off on the most random things. It's like we're sitting there and we'll have this piece in there about you know, you know, maybe Derek Jeter is talking about this great motivational part of his life and he'll say, was Derek Jeter the best player ever? And you know, the history of baseball, and then and then he'll go off, and then they'll go on again and again again, and then he'll go who is who's the best picture of this time? I mean, we're trying to finish this video

on a Friday afternoon. I want to go home. As four o'clock, we're still you know, he's he you know, he's probably gonna and then it will start get so and so on the phone. See who he thinks is like what I mean, and so he's he's a pretty fun guy. But his speech is you know, to the team day before, I mean, I want to go out

there and hit somebody. I mean, they're they're really good and and it's amazing to me how we do these random videos that we have these you know, we'll start on a Monday, We'll get him to prove it on a Friday, and we'll make the changes on that day. And then you know, the speech that he gives right before he shows it, you know, is seamless to it.

And it could start he could start talking about Kurt at the beginning of it in a story that he did, and it will come out and it's, you know, the most amazing thing and you want to go out and hit somebody. So he is. He presents himself in each environment appropriately. So when he's doing a press conference, he presents himself as sort of a corporate representative of the Cowboys. But when he's a football coach in the locker room, he's as football of a football coach, dripping with everything

you think about as there would be, right. I mean, there's profanity, there's he doesn't cuss. Yeah, come on, this is football. They don't cuss in football. Yeah yeah, but like you said, he lets his hair down, so to speak for a guy what it was. And I've never seen anybody love his team as much as he does. You know, he has true compassion and love for his players and the people around him. I mean he's the guy that wants to go and shake hands with everyone

in the training table. He wants to do his little walk around the building to say hi to people. So that's his dad. Yeah, that that is definitely his dad. Dad, same way. Always had a kind where it always has something to say. Like you said, when he first met Rocks, he wanted to know everything cause years down the road he gonna hey, I remember, yeah, absolutely yeah, And he says hi to everyone he passes by. And I believe I heard that he learned that from he learned that

from somebody that to always think Jimmy. Think it was Jimmy. Yeah, yeah, I think Jimmy told him to. As the head coach of an organization, you need to be highly aware of how people perceive you, and you need to you know, reach out your hand towards them in you know, in any situation in the hallway, stuff like that. Yep, yep, I bet he does it more than Jimmy did it. You think probably, Well, Rocks, this was awesome. When to get them more often? Because I'm just finding dog my

coach man, you off there, can't you? Dog coach Johnson? Man you off there? You kicking Dougles off the show? Yeah all right, I got that, little sad Rocks. How are your producing skills because we need a producer because they just fired Douglas. I can I can get some money? Thank you, thank you. We're gonna take a quick break and we'll be back with more hanging with the boys. It can be hard to find the right resource for

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sand does not like to talk. Oh, I'm shocked, you guys got her own. She does not like to leave her office and for Nate to actually talk for you off. I think we bombarded her, Douglas, I just wanted us to shut up, like, man, let me do this and get him my money back. Exactly because the thing is the head coach. She got a bud with the head coach. Dab you got he Jason, and I've seen him around her, he says, And he can be himself totally let their buddy. Yeah,

and so she can't. You know, so unless she say about their relationship. The bet off she is because people will try. I don't care how you know, and I'm included. We report, you know, reporters, and if they can just get that, yeah, they'll do it. Man. Yeah, like Douglas trying to get her to say that, he cusses, No way, Jason Garrett cusses, Douglas. Could you kidding me? I could be wrong? Maybe I misheard. Rocks has been nominated for several Lone Star Emmys as well. Yeah, yes, at least

five or six times. I think shit has yet to actually win one. But it's just to be in the final three or four is I mean that's amazing. Yeah. Yeah, Like in that preseason stuff, you know when she reducing the Cowboys preseason games, I mean she doesn't. She does a nice job, Herd dave Man. They do a great job of getting that together, making sure everybody's in place. And because it ain't easy getting mister Jones or mister Stephen Jones from on the other side talking to the

gems of other teams and owners of other teams. They'd be over there like two minutes to go. A couple of times. I don't want owner said mister Jones, can we please have you to complete this show? Yeah. People, people don't realize the people that have been here probably i would say twelve plus years, the way they got the job. Now it's a little different now, it's it's more of a normal process. You you sent in your resume,

you interview. But people that have been here twelve plus years, everybody that's been here around that fifteen year mark, Nick Eatman, Roxanne Todd Williams got the job just one being at the right place at the right time, and two just really being willing. Yeah, almost worked for free, you know, and in Rockx's case, to work for free. So it's it's that's so interesting to hear how everybody got started because everybody, like Rocks was applying for a data entry job.

And now she's, you know, one of the best video videographers and editors that we have. She she does coach Garrett's you know, locker room speech, and now she's working on Deep Blue documentaries and things. So, like we said, do what you do, what you gotta do to get your foot in the door, and everything else takes care of itself with hard work. Speaking of hard work, I did some hard work for this segment. No way I did. But I don't really I don't even understand what I'm

about to read. I'm going to read. So Dak Prescott was named number one in something that if you would have given me a list of about fifty things this year, this probably would have been the bottom five of my list that he would have been ranked number one. So I'm gonna try to make sense of this, and then you guys jump in and tell me how I explained

it wrong. So next Gen Stats came out with a a ranking UM that the qualifiers for this ranking were UM they define a it's a tight window throw ranking, so they define a tight window throw as a throw where the intended receiver had less than a yard of

separation from the defender. Um Also, to qualify for this, the average quarterback through eighteen points six percent of his passes into a tight window over the last two seasons, and only quarterbacks with over two hundred pass attempts seven plus games played in twenty seventeen qualified for this list,

which is a total of thirty five players. The ranking was established by the quarterbacks among the thirty five qualifiers who had the best rankings in the following three categories, completion rate on tight window throws, passer rating on tight window throws, and adjusted yards per attempt on tight window throws. So your number one ranked tight window throw quarterback. Let me let me you know. Let me give you the

top five. Number five was Ben Roethlisberger. His score was twenty four, and the lower of the score the better. Roethlisberger was five with a score of twenty four with a score of twenty one. At four was Alex Smith. At number three with a score of ten was case keenum Number two was Matthew Stafford with the seven and your Dak Prescott of the Dallas Cowboys scored a six. I was shocked, saw her. I was shocked too. Here's

what NFL dot Com had to say. His completion percentage in tight window throws was forty five point eight, which was first, his passer rating was eighty two point one, which was first, and his adjusted yards per attempt were six point two three, which was fourth. The Cowboys floundered to a nine and seven record and missed the playoffs one year after looking like a franchise on the brink of sustained greatness. A pair of rookies where the catalyst

to Dallas's thirteen and three run in twenty sixteen. While one of those players, running back Ezekiel Elliott, last six games to suspension, the other, Prescott, took a step back on the field after a marvelously efficient inaugural NFL campaign. However, Prescott's placement at the top of these rankings should help the Cowboys faith will retain some optimism. He was hyper accurate when thrown into tight windows in twenty seventeen, leading

qualifying passers in completion percentage and passer rating. Prescott actually proved his completion rate from his rookie year forty two point seven percent on a similar number of attempts ninety to ninety six. Wow, what do you guys think about that? What does that tell you anything? Or is this just like it's football becoming baseball to where they're making up stats for everything, or is this like a useful, useful stat you know, I just being honest with you, man,

it sounds better if you if you make the playoffs down. Yeah, you know, I uh, you know, I used to be one of them. Got a little. Uh stats are for los his nose. Stats can tell you a lot, and it tells you a lot that this kid, Uh tight situations, he throws the ball better than most people think. You know, when when when this a tight window, a tight situation, he can throw the ball, He throws the ball. You know. Uh,

I just want him to continue to get better. You know a lot of times, Uh we go to blaming. Uh it's the footwork that we just and it ain't about footwork all the time. It's about people just catching balls. It's about guys putting the ball where they need to be, whether it's flipping the end over end or wobbling or the wind blowing and the nose, go down, catch the ball, throw the ball, and that's what it's all about. Another way to refer to a tight window throw is throwing

to a guy who's barely open. So that I know, Nate talked about that all season. The guys weren't as open as they had become accustomed to it. Well, if you notice, go and I'll give you a plan example. Name the five guys. Roethlisberger was five, Alex Smith was four, and the only guy keen them, and then Matthew Stafford and the only guy would just out of all of them guys you name was Big Ben. He's got a ton of your brown that with that super big play capabilities.

The Stephan guy for Minnesota. But a lot of these guys don't have what you call that great receiver from or receiver. Yeah, if you look at the next five through the top ten, you wouldn't say they're just loaded with Yeah. You see guys who with Drew Red, they running a wide open all of the scene, like all the same of the Eagles. You see them, guy running wild. It's like wow, It's like wow, Tom Brady. This is the amazing thing is Tom Brady does not have the

elite receiver. But they do so many different routes and scheme combinations to you see guys running why open? Yeah, but this is what surprised me and Nate, maybe you can tell me the difference here on this. But Dak has gotten criticism because he can't throw guys open. I know Romo said that in the game about Dez. He can't throw guys open, but yet he seems in tight windows, he's he's rating pretty high? Is that? Are we talking two different things here? Let me let me tell you,

let me see this, tell me something, Nate. They they Okay, I'm gonna actually just right here, you answer the question. You y'all know football. If I'm running down the right sideline on a on a on a fly pattern, just a straight nine take off, okay, And in the cornerback is running with me, where's the place? And I'm running down the right sideline, where's the only place I can throw the ball out? Okay? Oh he threw him open? If I got Let me get another example. If I'm

running the seam route. If I'm running the seam route and y'all have a safety over the top and a corner trailing underneath, Okay, Well, I'm gonna throw the ball at and I'm going down to the left seam. Where I'm gonna throw the ball at. The safest place to throw the ball is kind of on the outside of that left shoulder. You know, that's the only place I can throw the ball. Okay, Okay, now you threw him open again. No, that's just common sense. Now I run a I'm down. I'm down in the red zone, and

I got basically the same route. The only way I'm gonna get that safety over there is to drop back, look over to my right, hope that I can pull him over there just two steps. Because good quarterbacks like that, like the top five I say in the league, They'll just dropped back. They look over there and look over the boom boom. They got a clock in their heads called timing. Then people all of a sudden, he talks over there, barely beat it. Oh he threw him up.

Now he ain't throwing him open. Now, where you truly throw somebody open is when you gotta slamt route where you gotta safety. They dropping down in the box, and you see it at the last minute, you see a a linebacker easing over there. You get what I'm saying. Now, he's gonna take a big hit, you know. And sometimes some quarterbacks are gonnah to read that and put it on your body so you can stop and make a move. You know. H Drew Brees is good at throwing back shoulder.

He didn't want to really started his back shoulder stuff by throwing balls to guys. Okwaway, can't nobody to get it. But then as you get experience, you get to know where the open areas are for your guys, either for them not to get knocked out, for them the only one to be able to get the ball. You saw it in the playoffs where Drew Brees and doing I'm exhuming Brady through one real load of dude didn't catch it, but you just saw how he threw it. He was

hoping to do and get down then get it. But nobody else was gonna get that ball, right, So this throwing guys open, sooner we find something like this type window thing. Oh my god, I hope they don't catch five, because now we're gonna have a pro football focus or Jack Joe Lewis, whoever you know this, let me tell you about analytics is good because it can tell you basically, if you got the right gallup stairs doing the analytics and not overdoing it, he can make it work. Yeah,

like the Patriots. Yeah, but they got a thing in the NBA called crunch time and the Mavericks are losing that. You know, they thirty two and six and crunch time games. And so I said, what is a crunchtime game? Where if you within the last listen to me, the last five minutes in the fourth quarter, if you come within five points, that's crunchtime. So at the beginning of five minutes it says four fifty nine, you come with than five minutes, but then the next four minutes you get

beat by twenty points. That's called a crunch time game. Okay, when you can simply say crunch sign can be two minutes within three points at any point, again, that's more of a crunch time than five minutes. I'm watching the marter like, Okay, they got within five points with four forty nine, and they ain't swing normal light after that. It's like they got ripped. I'm saying, you're really gonna call this crunch sign? Really do you like this? It's

just over you overdo things. You know that that that throwing guys open. Let's see this year has Dak grown? And what I mean by that is, what if they don't change the schemes. What if they keep everything the same and Dak throws for four thousand yards five tds mean's thirty five tds and ten interceptions and they go to the playoffs? What changes? Well, what's gonna change for Dak?

And this is what I've been preaching for the last year now it's two years, is what changes for Dak is he see things he can and go back and look at Nick Folds from the day Carson Wentzcott hurt and and look at how he was stowing the ball. It's like, man, it's nowhere in the world. Then take and keep watching it, and watch it all the way to halftime with the with the Falcons, where then when he run versus passed and all of a sudden boom.

Then by the end of that Atlanta game, you see him just dropping back and ain't no faking handing the ball off and reading something. Now he dropping back and he's starting to see the field again. Then we take the Minnesota game where it was no game really at a certain point of seeing it wasn't no game, but it was some plays in there where if Minnesota would have did the right thing, you would have been the other way. Yeah. Well, you see this quarterback just just

peppering it. Now there comes to the Super Bowl where big bad in New England coming and this dude didn't even blink an eye. He was seeing the field. That's what quarterbacks, as they get experienced and they don't get the crap beat out of them, and they gained that confidence that they can stand back there. They begin to see the field. They snored that single high safety me. They know what the two safetists deep me. They know what when the safetists go to play, they know what

it means. And I get you a perfect example, Mimer San Diego coming in here and just oh okay, come on up. Your fake too late, come on up because I got this guy Keenan Allen coming right here behind you. Now you're act like you're gonna stay back there, but you coming up. It's just reading. Yeah, that's one of the things about quarterback It's like by the time they mentally know everything, physically, they're starting to kind of break up. Yeah,

that's what happened to that's what happened to Tony? And then I'm listening to these well you know they're gonna let the markets Way and Tony Romo get in the ring of honor. I want to say, I just want to call it be like dummy. Yeah here in the

ring of MoMA. Yeah, dummy. You know, I mean, we try to make a discussion on what things that I don't think make sense, you know, But that throwing open, yes, some quarterbacks can because they're good, like you say, once they see it, they know it and they know how to place the ball number one to keep their guy to harms way. See, people don't understand what throwing or guy open is. First of all, you gotta be able

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He don't care what you call him. Problem. So my first question is you get Jimmy signed, you get a man to the Redskins? Uh, Cousins, No, Alex Smith to the Redskins. He gonna get in the next three years, seventy one meal a littit. I'm the seventy mial. Uh, that's a Brandon car deal. But let me say this, hill Man. Now, these guys ain't did nothing. I'm not talking about that Smith. He's had some success. Uh, but I'm tingbout Jimmy. He gratulation, bro, and I hope it

works out. But now Kirk Cousins, Drew Brees is free, and you got Teddy Bridgewater, you got case Keenum and Bradford, all from Minnesota free. What is the market gonna be like for these guys? Cousins and Breeze gotta be, Oh man, they gotta be. I know, Breeze probably, I know Cousins saying you know what, I know, y'all may not look at me as though when the forty Niners look at whatever his name. Yeah, but can I at least get

twenty three. Man, let me ask you this, With all those guys flooding the market all of a sudden, is that bad for them? Does that mean any other year one or two of these guys comes out, everybody's going after him. With all these guys coming out, is that bad man? Drew gonna go back? Drew gonna go back to the Saints. Saints? But Kirk Cousins, you got the Jets, you got Denver? Who else we got? We got? Uh? Jacksonville, man,

Jacksonville maybe looking at him because they didn't matter. I want to get what you call nineteen point five meal they man, I want to get they got nineteen point you know. And see you can say Bradford is a continue to get hurt, but who knows? And Teddy b case Keenum, we know who he is. If he get in the right system, he'll manage the team. He he to me. And I hate to say this, he's a poor man's Alex Smith. I was gonna say him and as Smith, Yeah, I think the poor man Alex Smith.

You know. So I think Cousins will get stupid money, but I'm not so sure about the others. I mean, yeah, get paid. But that's what I'm saying. And see, Teddy Bridgewater, you still a quite you. You're still out of all of these guys. You are the question mark ed the Bridgewater. It's the question mark now, Bradford, maybe a question mark for us being hurt. But get him in the right system. I think he can, he can flourish. But case Keenham, you know, take it, take your twelve and come home. Bro.

That about the most you're gonna get it, twelve, and abody may give your twelve a year, you know, maybe maybe maybe twelve year if you do more than that. Right now, you you you setting your franchise up. Let me ask out a question because somebody asked me this over the weekend. I didn't know the answer to this, and we'll I think we'll talk about this probably next show or or a little bit closer to to March

when when free agency gets going. But somebody asked me if the Cowboys would franchise Tag DeMarcus Lawrence this year. And I was like, you know, that's a great question. I really don't know the answer to that. He could be I mean, oh yeah, he can go for you know, everybody can go for stupid money now you you you know you can just scare them. You can scare the negotiations right out of the window. You know, Hey, man, we he gonna he's gonna need nineteen. Yeah, we need that.

And Miss Jones were like, hey, just franchise, man, We didn't fine discussed. Yeah. I don't think you see what I'm saying. They want to sign him to a long term Yeah, yeah, help their cap and all that, but they're not gonna let him go. Who do you think are free agents coming up? The top two priorities have to be Hitchings in tank right, because because Zach still got a fifth year, man, Zach plea, don't hate me, man, but I have to use that fifth year on you.

Let him play. Yeah, I will have to use Zach don't hate me, bro, but I would have to use it on you Zeke. Yeah. I mean it's those two that are this year unless you I mean, David Irving's there, he's restricted. Let me tell you something, bro. Unless I miss my guests. Ebra Flus is the coordinator for the for the Colts. I think he's gonna be dearly missed. You better better hope the Cowboys off for Hitchings A

decent contract. He's going you don't offer him a decent when I know ebra Flus the least he gonna have that horse. Yeah, hey, man, run around, horse run. You know what, we didn't talk about that. What a crappy deal that went down out there, man and and Ebraflus. Can you imagine you take a job for a guy now, Frank Wright is is you have? And then one it was classy moved by the Colts to keep those guys, you know, yeah, you know now, but no, once they

signed them, contrary with day you fire them. That's true. What you're gonna pay, it's gonna be for four years. I get to two jacks. Yeah, a little tricky because you know, usually the head coach hires a coordinator. Now it's just you know, they hired Jason Garrett pretty much for the hired Wade Phillips, So you always kind of knew that was in the bat. But but the thing about who they okay, Abrafluce, is they Devon's a coordinate? Did they get up did they already signed off as

a coordinator? I do not know. I just see because you can beat off as a coordinator. I'm told they're going after the Chargers quarterbacks coach. Okay, because I knew they had to dive as a coordinator. Even flu is supposed to be a pretty decent coach from what I understand. You know, it depends on who you talked to. But the offensive coordinated Frank Right is the is the head coach, and he may want to his first year, he may want to have hands on So who have your offens accordinated?

Won't even matter because Frank Wright is a backup perennial coach that played quarterback, So he's gonna want to put his hands on this player. And we don't even know if that player is gonna be Andrew Luck for this next coming year. Right, I mean I saw this coming two three years ago when you you you drafted Andrew Luck, and I said, I said, man, you got to. You got to. I mean, even if you fail every year in your first two rounds, you got to be offensive linement.

You got to because when his next contract come up, you're gonna have to pay him and lord hole and let him get beat up, beat up, and you paid him. Now he got surgery. Now you had to go out and give a second first round pickle for the bisette kid or third round pickle, whatever you gave up for him. That don't make no sense, man, Yeah, it just don't

make no sense. Talking about Flus leaving, how much as a player, as a former player, how much do position coaches matter in the grand scheme of game day and game If you got if you got a guy like Ebra Flus who was passed defensive coordinator and uh stuff. You know, so he connected in the front edge or the back end for as the linebackers and the safeties and corners and stuff. So he putting that scheme together.

That's big and uh. But as far as like just a wide receivers coach or a corner you know, if you secondary coach, or if you managing or some guys just managers. You know, they managed their position. They they that you know, like Mike Irvin knew how to run routs, Kevin Martin knew to run routes. Uh, everybody when I asked, you know, Adam Harper knew how to run his routes. They knew what to do with Troy so uh, hubbad. Alexander was more just like a manager. He manages guys

because they knew what to do. When you say manage. What do you mean by just mad sure things went right in practice? Major? Yeah, Eagles was in check and just kept a guy right. Because these guys were professionals. They knew their job. And some guys got to be teachers. Some guys got you know, like Tony Wis for me, was a teacher. You know. He helped me learn the game. He helped me understand what I needed to do. Some guys got to be teachers as well as manager. So

you hit people. So I guess it just depends on where you're at in your career. Right, guys can't show him anything else. You guys need hands on Yah, his technico Christoph Shard's gonna be busy as a secondary coach. But Sanjay law May he's got guys there for the most part. Now, how to the thing? The thing is? The thing is if I'm if what our receiver's gotta do is become better route runners versus coverage whatever to cover because Dak that's how Dak is learning. He's not

Tony Romo. Tony. And see that's another thing. When you're a veteran quarterback. Tony knew how to buy time, look things off, work things to a certain way, and like Mike Irvin said when we was doing the show, he said, it wasn't always that I was a great route runner, but I knew where to be and when to be there. Everything is about timing. Everything's about getting to the area at the right time. I watched y'all show with you, Mike and Darryl, and that's one thing he really emphasized

was I knew when to be open. Wasn't as much like being the fastest guy and how to run the route, but knowing at what point in the route. Look. He was like, yeah, yea. The only time he ever messed it up is when Alvin Harper caught that bomb gets the forty nine Huy switch. If you haven't seen Nate and Darryl Johnston and Michael they put a video up I think it was last week or the end of the week before, and they talk about all things cowboys for about forty five minutes and it is awesome. Good

is that from the Year in Special? Thing separately? Yep, Nope, the Year in Special Okay, and it's it's awesome. If you hadn't If you hadn't seen it, go check it out on the website. By the way, fellas, I've got all the names of our TV crew, oh out of here. The name I'd forgotten Katie and she provides all the chiron graphics, all the descriptions. Uh. And then and then there's Dave and Caden and Kent and Kent. Well, awesome, the new stuff looks great, can't Garrison probably don't want

to look at us. Yeah. The more you can get video on there, the better. Yeah, the more video the better. But it was good. It was It was a cool, cool show. So hopefully we'll be doing that every week. Huh Douglas. Yeah, yeah, in the off season. Yeah, we started the time Mexico stop it and we do need their help. Sp I'm going back to Mexico at some point. Might not come back to next February. No, I'm gonna go before then. I need to get out of the

country again before the season starts. We'll see. Maybe I'll bring you guys what you're out of the country and be done out of nothing. Sunshine, there's no sunshine here. It's thirty degrees on in man clos of them me. Getting in Mexico is New Mexico. Hey, we go there too. Yeah, Kurt, thanks for showing up, sir. All right, Nate, thanks for bringing it. Douglas, thanks for doing what you do. Kent,

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