Hangin' With The 'Boys: Recapping An Eventful Weekend

get to. I wish we had two hours to do this show we have yeah today, I mean we've been struggling for things to talk about and now we have draft things, Jason Witten things, Bye bye, Ryan Switzer, Hello, Tavee on Austin. So many things to get to, men, But to get us started? What was that? Kurt? So much? What you look at? What you're looking at in that Twitter feed? Uh huh m hmmm. All right, what's up fellas? How are you alright? Are you doing great? Oh? All right, Nate,

I'm good. I didn't like that offensive tackle from Texas. I'm just you know, um, oh, here we go. This is he's gonna he's getting into pre No no, no, no, brother Oxnard moved. We're not gonna waste any of your time. I hope. I'm gonna waiting on him to say, Hey, we got brought is here. The draft has been completed. Hey, we got brought us here completed. Let's get I mean, all the guessing is overWe let's go to it. Welcome to the show. Brought us. I appreciate, I just got

I just got done with the show. I appreciate the like the two minutes of me not having to talk, said, he catch his breath, all right, brought us here? Who is this guy? Let's let's do this. Gonna take Yeah, yeah, I know what you talk about. Who is this? Explain? Let's do this. Brought us. We only have you for about fifteen minutes. Sure, so let's hit all these guys and you give us what we're getting with these players.

And then let's get the two guys we got in trades and tell us what we can expect out of him because we don't have you for long. But kick it off with kick it off with our first guy, Vanderish. What are we getting there, Well, you're getting a guy that could play all three positions. Though he's a guy. He's got the size, he's got the speed, he's got the ability though to make plays on the outside, where

he's gonna be a little bit of a problem. I think for him it's he's gonna have to learn how to play a little bit more physical with his hands at the point of attack. But you're talking about a guy that can run, hit, finish. He watched the Oregon game. He avoids a lot of blocks. He makes plays in the hole. You get a guy that's really good in coverage. I think that's where he's really gonna shine here. Initially, though, He's got a feel for how to play and drop

and then react to the football. So really a smart aware player in that regard. Again, he could play all three spots. I have a feeling he's gonna play Mike. They're gonna probably do something with Jalen Smith. We'll see how that all plays out. Any concerns with his health, No, Actually, the everybody kind of was a scare. They're talking about his neck and the things that were going on. When they are talked to some doctors here and talk to some trainers here, everybody was okay on that, So there

should be no problem with with the health. That's why they were able to take him. This is a guy they targeted all along that they were going to take as a team that needs linebackers. He's what he fits what they want to do defensively. Now he hasn't played. He hasn't played eleven on eleven football for very long. Is he a project guy? No? No? Ready? Yeah, yeah, you watched Boyse football. He's he's out now again, he hasn't. He's not one of these guys that's a four year

starter at Boise and all that. I mean, don't get me wrong about that. He's his software year. He was playing quite a bit. He got he got hurt, and then then he took off a little bit of his senior year though, but he's always around the football. The pick for me was I liked Evans from Alabama a little bit better because I thought he was a little bit more of a physical player. But I have no problem with Layton vander Esh for what they're gonna try and do with him. I think he's a really good

fit for for this football team. Okay, do you have any doubts about them not taking a receiver in that I knew they were taking Vanderesh the whole time. I never thought they were going to take her. I mean, to me, we always talked about on the Draft show. Okay, they're gonna take a you know, oh Dez has gone, They're gonna take a receiver. They have to take a receiver. The receiver they got Michael Gallup and will get to him. You know, I have a side of second round grade

on him. That just showed you the depth of the position. There were more wide receivers than there were linebackers. They got a second round receiver at pick eighty one, and so on my board, and I'm sure on their board he was probably in the same spot. So uh, you know that that the fact that they were going to pick a receiver at nineteen, I just didn't feel like that that was it. You know, more was more was available,

and then also to Ridley was available. But I just didn't feel like vander esh was their guy the whole time. And I thought about it the night before the draft, and I thought about it like Darwin James, and I came to conclusion by that morning, Yeah, like they ain't taking this guy. Yeah, they fall to him. And so I'm like, somebody else is in the mix because I just wasn't fitting him because all of the research I'd done on him. So the safety thing, but even a factor.

He well, we were on the Draft show. We had talked about this a bunch leading up to the draft that my scout buddies around the league, not the Cowboys scout guys, but the scouts around the league were telling me that Derwin James was going to drop and you know that he that there were some concerns about him as a player, and so you know, we were trying to prepare people in the Draft show the potentially when he went to when he went to the Chargers, the

Cowboys didn't flinch in the war room. You could see and they and they weren't interested in moving up. They were going to see what was happening. They respect the player. But I believe all along that that Layton Vander he was the man. Even when Green they moved up, Yeah, they didn't flinch. I mean they said they got a litzit, but yeah, that was his guy. Can you see how different it was when they walked to the podium, thissue for this guy, How they spoke, They just as a team.

The energy was there versus last year when they walked to the podium. Yeah, well, hopefully Tacco will be better, Hopefully will be but Cat and those guys will get him playing. And I felt the fact that towards the end of year he was playing better. But you're right, the energy for vander Esh, I think was different. I think initially some people that the media scouts didn't catch up until later on about really, how you know this

guy's a good football player. I mean, but again, you're gonna have to you if he gets in trouble, it's gonna be taken on guys like you and not doing it well enough with his hands. Once he does, once he learns how to do that, this guy can run, he can hit, he could finish, you know, just worry about him physically at the point of attack a little bit. That's why I woke up and I said, I didn't Dert and James do. But I showed woke up saying, and I knew that was going hi pain and veil. Yeah,

if we can just get one of the whole stools. Yeah, depression will be taken off on linebacks. But hey, let's move on bright. Yeah, I think that you know, and too now I had if you look at my top fifty, like I said, three of the three of their picks were top fifty guys. For me, I love this next pick. I love that Connor Williams. To me, I had Connor Williams on my top fifty above Layton vander Esh Wow. So to me, here at fifty, you get the opportunity. This guy plays lined up as a left tackle. I

had seen his kid play at Coppelle. I used to do the games on Friday nights for four years. The senior year I got to see him play and he was an outstanding high school player. So he goes to Texas and you know, there's people that say that if he would have come out of the draft last year, then he would have been a guy that would have gone very high in the draft. So went back Texas, came in the draft this year. People were talking about him, and he got got nicked up in the USC game.

They fill in the back of his leg and he was done, and his tape wasn't as good. But I'll tell you what. You watch this guy work out, you watch the tape. This guy is an athlete. He got a mainstreak. He is a finisher. I mean, he keeps his hands, his feet, everything works really well together. He doesn't appear to be rushed or hurried when he's blocking. You know, he doesn't panic when he blocks. Everything is really really smooth. I mean, he could be a force

when you down blocked with this guy. He could seal that edge. He can bounce up to the second level. He plays on his feet, he gets movement very easily. He can reach block. There's teams that worked him out. I was at the Pro day in Austin. They worked him out as a center. They worked him out as a guard. I think he's gonna play guard here. I think he's gonna start at left guard. Here. You're talking about two athletes on the left side of that offensive

line with him and Tyrn Smith. That will cause problems for people because it's gonna be like one guy. It's gonna be two guys playing his one. When they scoop block, reach block. You know, you're not gonna have to worry about Connor Williams like falling on the backside. You know, Ron Larry was out a little bit early in his career until he slimmed down his body and then he got to where he was a little bit more athletic. And this team really ran the ball better because of Zeke.

But they ran the ball better. When when when when ron Le swimmed down and then they could get guys up on the second level. We saw this guy. We we actually brought him in here on here. Oh yeah, I appreciate you guys doing that. He's he's very tyring smith. There's no look at on him and fat, and he's chiseled. He's not a sloppy and he's what six four six four six four and a half. Yeah, so yeah, he's over three yeah, over three hundred pounds muscle. You know,

I'm gonna tell you something. You know, I'm sitting there waiting on his picket. You know we used to work. Yeah, sitting there and I'm and uh and thereby was some iOS see this in and I ain't know what it was going. Yeah, you know, because they had let a lot of a few guys drop off the board. Yeah, you know set and all of these guys don't. And when they said come, I scream, man, I was like, you watch this guy too, right, But no, I just heard great things about him. He's a worker. He's a worker.

But what what amazed me is now my mind going to the mode of we have a potential starter that we got depth across the board again. Right, So if we have injury to any one of our guys, we are covered. Yeah. Should Yeah, those guys will help. We should be covered. Man, And Alexander is supposed to be that type of coach where he can make great adjustments within the offensive line. We wow. Yeah. The next one is Michael Gallop. This is the one I liked again.

This is another one of my guys in the top fifty. And I've been looking for a receiver that can separate, and this guy can separate. That's the whole idea with this guy. I mean, I think that he's going to challenge Terrence Williams for his spot. I think that you need to find a way to like throw him out there. Gonna be as many reps as possible learn how to beat press. But this guy, he's a hands catcher. He can he can make contested plays. He'll sit down for

the ball. He's good with the ball in his hands. He'll adjust. I mean, he can run deeper routes. He can push, he pushes off to get space. He can drive off the line. I mean there's a lot of things. He'll run through double teams. I mean, he's he's not afraid to go inside to catch the ball. I like this guy a lot because I think at the line of scrimmage, he's physical, he knows how to get space. But once he gets in route, he can you see that burst to separate. And I don't think this team

had enough of those guys. I think that hurt them a little bit last year because teams were covering and it was making press Scott have to make a lot of tight throws. And so this guy right here, though, he's gonna he's gonna press Terrence Williams for his job. There's no doubt a chance to start. Absolutely. Does he remind you real quick? Nay? Who does he remind you of that's currently in the NFL type of body or yeah, he's he's six he's right at six foot, he's two

hundred pounds. I'm trying to think of a projection because there's guys that I've kind of thought about that, you know, I mean, I mean I was thinking about with Ridley. He looked like Marvin Harrison to me. I have to give that one a little bit of a thought, though. I don't know hester think is somebody that separates down the field, though, but it's physical down the field, and that's that's the kind of the guy. I'll have to

come up with one on channel. I don't have a comparison in my head right now because I'm thinking of about a lot of different guys that are route runners. But this team needed a route runner, and that's what this guy can do. Do you have that in the book, did Dane? Did Dane give us a comparison to who he might be. Dane's really good about the comparison stuff like that Pierre Garth song, he's a faster Pire Garwth song.

I'll take that. What I've heard him. What I've heard is I would have thought, but don't even look at his forty like Pierre Grason, you don't look at his forty. He runs. He be good route runner. Yep. And so when they got this guy and I didn't know nothing about him, I just just went to diving in read and trying to and nobody says anything bad. No, nobody

says anything bad. No. He you know, he played some games like you can watch him play against some good competition, Colorado and Alabama, and they've got a couple of both those teams had pretty good corners. And you see him have some success against those guys. So it always gives me hope when a guy has a receiver has some success against some teams that you know have pretty good cornerbacks, pretty good defensive secondaries. How about our defensive end we

drafted with the fourth pick. Yeah, I loving him. Yeah. Do you know a lot about him? Date? No, No, I don't. You don't know any about him? And broughtest. This is wrong for me to say, but the way he's built in a little bit of film I've seen, he looks like to me a defensive end. He is a defensive end. I mean yeah, I'm telling you he looks like he got he lucky slippery man. This guy plays a lot of violence to him. I'll say, he does a great job of finding the ball. And I'm

looking through my notes again. He plays really well on the move. He stays active, you know, he worked through the trash. Has to be careful not to get too wide because times you see him get real wide and they come up the field and not be able to get back to the quarterback. And he plays a little bit tighter. He can get the edge. He's got the speed to get there, and he's got the speed to turn it. So he's very physical for his size. He's a good wrap up tackle. He can really close from

the back side. There are times you see the ball go away and he's screaming from the back side to get there. They tried to trade up for this kid at the end of the third round. We all thought they were trying to go for more of the various more of the safety from Southern miss Nah, it was Dorance Armstrong. They were trying to go get and so that tells you a lot about him that they thought, Okay, we need to get back in the round. They were

worried about him. And it's kind of funny. I think the governor of Texas, Governor Abbott, said, nah, not stay, just stay, and you know, Jerry asked him jokingly. Abbott said, no, stay, this guy will be there. We'll get him. And Governor Abbott was bringing him in every year. But but you can move, to Scott, you can move this guy. It's just that he was having a joke. He was having fun. But you can move this guy around the rush and

I like that about him. But he could really change directions, can break a blocker down, and he has a burst and I think those are all really good things. I think you'll see that Nate's right. Physically, he looks like a defensive end. And I could see somebody man waiting. I remember d W D wear, I remember where came in him. Man. I was like, what would you please say on my outside album? Yeah, And I said, wow, when he grows up, when he grows into a manhood, yeah,

he can be something special. And I just pray we don't get him and go to saying, okay, let's put him over there. Lef decons the man. Let's put him on the right right and let him go. He was one of your pet cats in the magazine. He was. He was absolutely cats. Yeah, I'm a big fan of this guy because again, the violence that he plays with and the speed that which he plays with. I love the burst about him. So I thought that was a really really good pick. And you're talking about fourth round

at one sixteen. I think there's people that had him a lot higher on their board, and I think that's why the Cowboys were worried about trading up for him late in the third. They didn't want that player to go away. Very cool, And next tight end is this is this a because of Jason Witten possibly. Yeah. I think this is a guy that's really a true in line player, and I mean in line. He lines up as a y on the line of scrimmage. You know. Stanford is known for their physicality, which they play with

their offensive line. David Shaw, the coach there, is really a he's a hardball disciple. They like to run the football, they like to be physical. They use a lot of offensive linemen in their scheme. But this Dalton Schultz is a guy. Now I'll tell you this though, he's a big time holder. He will hold. I mean yeah, he will know he stan I mean his hands get outside the framework a lot, but in the Pac twelve they don't call it. I mean he is I mean he

can hands get inside and hands will go outside. But I could say he's a position blocker. He'll block down. He really work. It's hard to finish his blocks. I mean he can be could be a hit and miss sometimes with defensive ends. But you put him on the outside. When you have him blocking on the edge, I mean he can he has the balance, the body control, the contact balance, all that. When he gets a guy hands outside, feet, all that works really well together. And then he turns

really quick. I'll tell you one of his best traits. He could he could delay off the snap. He can come and just kind of give it just a little bit of hesitation. He lets the guy move and then he quickly jumps on him and turns the guy. And so he's got a real feel for how to play in position though, So I like him about that. The catching part of it, though, is he's kind of a boot waggle catcher. He's not really a down the field player. He's more of an underneath guy, safety blanket type guy. Yeah,

they throw him the ball. He makes a lot of contested plays. He'll catch the football, catching in traffic, and he helps on pass protection. That's kind of a thing with him that that he does pretty good. When I raise you deal in the book, you know, because that's a good to wit me. You know, I'll bring the book out in a minute. But the first thing I say, Okay, this guy gotta you know, all his holding all as it is. The guy will get Yeah, all the other

guys this guy, but he's good his hands. I mean, he knows how to he can kind of work him inside and then work him outside real quick. And then and then position himself to make them. Don't you don't you already have that kind of into Jeff Swain, Well, they yeah, Swain, and then we need to see what Blake Jarwin is. Blake Jarwin's gonna be that that that type of guy too. They really liked Blake Jarwin, who

they brought up halfway through the season. Yeah, yeah, because they were not They did not want to lose him to Philadelphia, and so they brought him up. And we'll see how these guys all play. But we'll get you with just drafts. I was glad they didn't really reach for a tight end. Was was he kind of picked where he's expected or Yeah, that's the kind of where I had him, right. I thought he was more like a fifth, sixth round kind of guy. I think I'm on my board. I think I had him on board

and the fifth round. And let me see if where I had him. I had him the fifth round. I had him above Will Disley and Fu mcgalley. That those are my fifth round guys. Man. Mean when when when Jason said, you know, retirement, it didn't bother me like you bothered a lot of people, because I felt in the draft you can find a guy, but you got to get swaying and the other jar. You gotta give

him opportunity, right, Yeah. And then also Rico gathers, Yeah, but man, Douglas is like, say, yeah, I should have just not said it. How about that? The next one, a little bit of a head scratcher to me. Talked me into this one, which one Mike White the quarterback. Yeah, another another pet cat. Oh my gosh, Shannon talked me into this guy. You're gonna love this, okay, better better than the red rocket we have back there. I'll tell you what, it'll be interesting to see. I think Mike

White Mike White will surprise you. How well, I don't think Mike Whites will surprise you. I think Mike Mike White to me, I had have been the third round on my board. And when you started talking about all the all the all the quarterbacks they are in this draft, and you know we've seen plenty of them. I mean I had Rose and Jackson, Alan, Darnold Mayfield. The gap between those guys and Mike White, in my opinion, is not huge, really, no, not at all, not at all.

This guy is six four and a half, He's two hundred and twenty four pounds and he will let it fly. And I love him about that. I saw him take a ton of hits. He gets up, he keeps playing. He's a leaders. You could see he's emotionally invested in the game. You could see the guys around him gravitate towards him. The way he plays. I mean, he's got the arm talent again, like I said, to get it on the outside. He could touch it with the swing. He could throw all play action. He can hit his

man on the move. He plays with poise. He doesn't appear to get rattled at all when you watch him play. And he can make throws going to his left for a pretty big guy. I think that's something we've seen with Dak his first earlier part of his career. How well can you get to your left, square up and make a throw to the outside. But this guy, again, he'll slide in the pocket. He'll make some tight window throws. He'll get hit, but his eyes are always down the field.

He doesn't look down in the rush. His turnovers were more about not seeing the defender than poor decisions. So if you ever watched him his interceptions, they didn't have many of them. But the problem was. You know, you talked about your eyes being down the field, but there were times where he didn't see a guy slide underneath and then he threw the ball and it was too late, but I didn't I mean, he protected the ball in the pocket. I really I like this guy an awful lot.

I know that Kellen Moore went and worked him out at Western Kentucky and came away really really impressed with him. So made a lot of sense. You're in this round at the fifth round. This is like a lottery ticket. You know, you're trying to hit the lotto here, and you know they hit it with Dak Prescott in the fourth. You know here, Mike quite five hundred seventy one. They might they might have done it again. Go ahead, Well, was it strange to have three such three young quarterbacks? Now?

When I was in Green Bay in nineteen ninety three, I hate to be back in the day guy, but I'll be back in the day game. We had three quarterbacks and they didn't have many starts between them. Farv was coming off his first year. But our quarterbacks when we went to minicamp that first in nineteen ninety three OTAs, we had Brett Farve, Mark Burnell, Tye Debtmer and Kurt Warner. One of three quarterbacks. Four quarterbacks. Those are the four

quarterbacks we had in camp. And and and and and those and those guys, like I said, I mean, you look at you look at you know, Farv and Warner were hauled. But there were young guys, right. We were not gonna you know, now the ninety six we went and got a veteran guy because we we traded Burnell, Debtmer and all that. But but we you know, we went and got Jim McMahon. But yeah, to playing young quarterbacks, no, I you know, I would rather die with a young

quarterback than somebody that that that that Andy is. They was part of a team that that had when he was playing. You know, they went through quarterbacks. I mean eightman was kind of got banged up a little bit and they couldn't find the backup guy and saw all of a sudden, you know, I mean, and now boom you hit a guy. You know, eight men stays. It's healthy and you win Super Bowls. But I'm for you give me the young guys. Let me. I will I will die with a young guy playing before I will

die with some guy like Brandon Weedon. Yeah, no, absolutely, so does this guy have and I'm not saying for us, but I'm saying for one day to have a chance to be the starter absolutely somewhere. Absolutely he does. Absolutely. So he's not just drafted as a perennial backup. Nope. I think this guy. I think this guy's got enough talent. I think he's got enough ability. It'll be really interesting to see how in camp. You know, and I can I said, he has a lot of poise. I don't

think he's gonna be overwhelmed by what's gonna happen. I think he's gonna be a smart guy. I think you know you got with Cooper Rush. You saw what Cooper Rush was able to do in the preseason last year. He's one of the best quarterbacks in the league and it came to the preseason football. So I think Mike

White's a more talented guy than him. This this is one of those picks that we're gonna look back on it and whether he's playing here or playing somewhere else, someone's gonna say, oh, Dallas knew what they were doing when they took Mike White. Very cool. Well, okay, you taught me into it, talk me into it. All right, what's you? What's you? It's okay, we got time quick. Oh no, we're keeping him until he's ready to go top break. Yeah, we're gonna go through three more guys. Yes,

Chris Covington. What we got in that linebacker? Yeah, I think Chris Covington to me, when you know Chris Covington when I watched him play, and again, I didn't know a whole heck of a lot about Chris Covington. Everybody else, I don't think you're going to find him in our book there. Oh the first one this is This was the one where I didn't you know, with Chris Covington. And it's shame on me about this because I should have had this guy. But Chris Covington is six two,

he's two hundred and forty five pounds. He's a four seven eight guy. Yeah. The thing about him is playing in Indiana, and I watched him play against Ohio State, Michigan State, and Wisconsin, so some pretty physical teams against him. So I love the way he had really good reactions to the ball. I really liked him about that, his ability to come forward to make plays. I liked him in coverage. I like the ability of him to when when all of a sudden they break on the ball,

he's there. Uh. He can cover a little bit on the on that part of it though. I like the waves kind of a wrap up tackler as well. Uh So, Yeah, this guy would probably be more of a special teams guy. Probably play him at a will linebacker because I think you have to have him off the ball. But he's got size to him and I think you when you like say you let him run, let him get to

the football. He's a really aggressive player, has to be careful about overrunning some plays at times, but other than that, I think he's pretty good. Next guy, just did hi him listed? Look it was the best duff. Yeah, yeah, the best uff. Yeah. Just bring on all the Boys players. Just bring him to Dallas. Blue something in the water that the Cowboys like up there. Cedric Wilson, wide receiver from Boise State. Yeah, Cedric Wilson. And again, this is a guy that a lot of people had that were

pretty high on him. I had him in the seventh round myself, but he went in six at two o eight. Uh. I've kind of felt like with Cedric Wilson. The ball down the field was his best asset when the ball wentz down. He was one of those guys that starts on the right side of the formation. He runs his route like he's running a post, and he's coming all the way across the field and then they find him on the other side of the field. But he does a lot of stuff underneath. I think he's got a

good catch radius. He's to me, when you watch him play, the ball is down the field. He's a just a down the field player. There is some separation there. I don't know if he has the separation that Michael Gallop passed. I think Gallup's got better separation. But when again, when you're talking about those Mountain West kids, he's running past some defenders. I mean they're they're hitting him with the passes down the field, across the field underneath, the catch

radius I think is pretty good. We'll see if, in fact, though, how it all plays out. But yeah, he's a he's a type of guy though that and when it came down to the late to the latter part of the draft, you know he didn't want to probably fight for a guy in free agency. That's probably what you would Uh, that's probably what the guy you would want to go

for right there. Were you're a little surprised they took another wide receiver, Kevin, Yeah, I think that to me, I think they're just gonna throw as many guys at

this thing as they can. You know, if you look at really on the board of any guys now, like I said, I would have mean personally though, uh, you know they we're gonna get down to both Scarborough, the running back will be I personally had a couple of running backs on my board higher widely from Iowa, Williams from LSU, Carter from actually from Grambling were guys that I had more, you know, right above Scarborough. But at the bottom board you're looking for trades. I think with Wilson,

they're looking for trades. They're looking for that downfield guy. But you make a point, Kurt, I mean, there's a probably a couple other positions that I want. You know, they signed this guy cam Kelly as a free agent. You know, after the draft, he's going to be an undrafted free agent, and I thought, you know, I would have taken him over or maybe a Scarborough. But then if I could have taken it back again widely would

have been the back. You know, with Wilson, I had him in the seventh round, but I had some other guys higher than him on my board. Now the trades, what are we getting? What do we what do we get for? Switzer got a young guy, right, Yeah. Tavon Austin is a guy that I really liked coming out of West Virginia, and to me, he's a the problem and the thing that bothers me the most about him.

I liked him coming out of West Virginia. I thought they were gonna be able to use him in a way where you get him the football, you get him the ball in space, You'll let him make plays. He's explosive. I mean you watched the game against University of Texas his senior year and he just ate him alive. I mean just explosive, play after play after play after play. Now you know what bothers me a little bit is Sean McVay is a coach that has a history of

taking guys like him and making it work. He did it with a Jamison Crowder with the Redskins, a smaller guy, a quicker guy, and made Jamison crowd Are a great player out at a duke. He couldn't do anything this guy, and that bothers me, you know. I mean, they never could find a way to kind of get him going. Now, maybe it's this is gonna be a kind of an eye opener for him. That next stop is the last stop. I mean, he's always got the speed. They'll use him

as a kick punt return guy. Maybe you'll see some jet sweep stuff. But let's see if they can get creative. And I know people out there SAYT brought us this team. Can't get creative with receivers, look what they do. But we'll see what this guy. He's very, very explosive in the way he plays. He's like a faster, better lucky whitehead as women did I think scars most coach McVeigh was two years I mean yeah, two years. Ten fumbles, Yeah, oh yeah, he'll he yeah, he'll do he'll put it

down on the Ground't gonna work here, absolutely absolutely. And what about this Ward kid they got in the trade with us. This is this is a this is Will mcclay's guy. This is all Will McClay right here. I trust in Will McClay. He should trust in Will McLay. But yeah, this is a guy that hadn't the Senior Bowl that they coached up two years ago at Oakley got banged up. I need to kind of get this history a little bit better about what happened to him there.

But yeah, they wanted to draft him, right, They sure did at third round grade on him. But this is a Will McClay guy. When they when when the Raiders were the one that called about Switzer, and you gotta remember Rich Basacchi is up there now in Oakland as a coach, and they called about Switzer and they said, oh, and then they said, well, who are you gonna offer? How do you want to do this? And when they offered war, Will McClay lit up and said, let's do this. Wow,

let's go. So yeah, So this is a guy that Will has that. He likes the link to this kid. He likes the range of build, the range build of the kid. He likes him as a pass rusher. He thinks he could do something. He thinks that Kat and Marinellian those guys. So throw him in the mix. Let's see what he is with coney eally, with Tapper or a d N as what he was, Yeah with d N and cost So we'll see what the where they in fact where they where they kind of like I said,

I think they're gonna play on the outside. We'll see what they do inside, if they do anything with him inside. But this is this is Will wanted this guy in the trade. That's how he got it work down. Before we let you go, one more thing. This was great stuff by the way, brought us awesome superrossings. Yeah, we can't keep him, that can't. We had two hours do your show for you know, what are you hearing? U? What are you hearing about Witton? How did you hear

anything about how this all went down? Yeah? I was told some from folks I have some connections in Bristol, excuse me, And evidently Witten. They had some people they brought in to former players to try out for the job for Monday Night Football, and Witten was one of the last ones to try out. This is what I was told. And they took his all the guys who tried out and took him to a sample group of audience, a sample audience, and the sample audience said, this is

the best one, and it was Witten. So you know, the draft being here, ESPN being here, you know, it's probably a great opportunity. I'm sure that he's talked to Tony about what's like being on the road, what's like working with these crews, how things? You know, the pay is excellent. Money on football is one of the great, uh you know when historic iconic, you know, television programs

in our history. And yeah, it's a great opportunity. You might not have this opportunity next year because if you get guys, what if a guy like Drew Brees retires, you know what if Larry Fitzgerald retires, there's some really some dynamic personalities and guys that you might not get that opportunity again. So if in fact he does leave, it's going to be for something pretty good. But talking to ESPN people, it sounds like that the target are

of the audience. The sample audience thought that Witton was really really good at it, and they just came at him. They came at him. So that's kind of where we're at. So we'll see. Wednesday's probably the day that we'll hear. You know, I'm just guessing right now, and we'll and and we'll go from there. If he's here, he's here. If he's not, then had a hell of a run, man, hell of a run. Well, you had a hell of a run on this show. Well, like I said, I wish we could keep you two hours, but I know

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Garrett over the weekend. But before we get to those, who was your favorite pick out of this draft? Kurt? Which one did the best? Which one did you think was a good move? Um? I do like this gallop kid because one they waited, they didn't didn't reach, they didn't reach for him. And two just what little I've read and then here and brought us it sounds like he could make a pretty quick impact. What about you, Nate, what what'd you like? Uh? I like that kid, he

talked about it. I like Connor, but but this armstrong kid. I every rep that he can get. I wanted to give it to him, every rep because so how as good as d law is, you know coming off that left side, but you just understand when the quarterback got his back to you, you bringing that heat, you can change the quarterback's life. It's gonna be interesting to see how they balanced developing him with developing tea man. Let him play, Yeah, let you it. The other guy warred.

They got I don't know about much about him, but you need that guy coming off your left side. I promise you that Darrell brings a whole different dollar value. I'm promise you Awards a guy they got the trade with Switzer from from Oakland. I really liked something cool. Both of the both of the number one and the number two pick. Both of them grew up Cowboy fans. We talked to Layton's dad whenever he was whenever he was here with him, and he said he wanted to

do two things when he was a kid. He wanted to play football for Boise and he wanted to play football for the Dallas Cowboys, which was really cool. And that was like when he was two years old. Cool, super cool. And then Connor Williams, yeah from down the street and Coppell, I think yes, down the street in Coppel grew up with Cowboys fan and just said it was a crazy thing. I really I really like that pick.

But I think they got super value. And basically what they're telling Zeke is stay out of trouble, get your ass in shape, because we're gonna hand you the ball three hundred and fifty times this year, and we're probably gonna throw it to you another hundred times, we beefed up this offensive line and we're gonna ride you into the ground. So hell, he may rush for three thousand yards and that's you know, And that's what you know, people, I couldn't get people to wrap their arms around for

the last two weeks. That's what I've been preaching for the last two weeks is the way this thing transpired. Dad, even when they even when they said Jason was retiring and the waves, Stephen Jones said, Okay, all right, I said, get ready to fellas. I say, let's put this kid in a deep freeze. I say, and bring him out a week, bring him out a week before the last

preseason game, like who you're talking about? Put Zeke in a deep freeze right now so he don't move around so because he's gonna touch it three hund than twenty times rushing and another eighty five and nine of times. With the past, I said, they've been the work this kid to death. So I mean he wouldn't be able to go out out of a game. He was gonna

be so tired. Yeah, I mean this thing is predicated on Zeke and then making sure that Dak got receivers that gonna be in the right place, that right, or at least trying to get there. The release of Dad says two things. Your production dropped off. We know that you're not the twelve point five. We can't give you that. But it sends a message to the Terrence Williams guys that kind of just this is what you run, and this only thing you can run. You better demand more

from yourself and demand more from the coaches. The way they went out and got this Michael Galloper, like I said, well, I didn't know much about him. I went to reading about him and that he came from a junior college, you know, because he didn't had the grades. He went and got the grades. He came to Colorado States Colt damn his junior and senior year. Just never dropped off, just attacked the ball. Uh don't look at his for

it because he run his way faster than that. So when you thinking of that run nice routes, how points the ball, catches with his hands. They trying to tell you this is the type of guy we want, and evidently Alan Hearns is that type of guy for us, catching with his hands, running the correct routes. They're letting you know, if I'm already on this team. Uh, this is this is how I have to do it now, right. You know they want guys that they can trust and

guys that are where they're supposed to be. That's right, And I mean they're look at look at what they've done since the end of the last season. They have pretty much retooled this whole offense. Yeah, so friendly, right, man, tell you what, dakin zeke, I'll tell you what. It's gonna be interesting. And that's why as much as witness done for this team, him retiring don't scare me like it does most people. Jeff Swain needs opportunity. You know.

The other kid, jar Jar, he needs opportunity. That's Let's see is Rico got anything to him. You just can't keep every year old, you know. You know, let these guys play to give them every rep they can they can stand. Let's see what the the the kid that shows, Let's see what he can do. Let's see if he's a great holder that brought us as he is. You know what I'm saying that you want to escape from him.

So I believe that's why you know, I say, hey, man, don't waste sounds on broad us I mean he's here, Let's get it all. Yeah, because the players that I like, you know, the Vanderish guy. If you listen, when when people believe in you and know who you are, they talk about it. These coaches, even mister Jones, there's nothing wrong on his neck. I know, nobody asked me about it the second time. I know I'm being redundant. This kid is ready to go. But we saw what we felt.

And then when they got this, Connor Williams first thing he said was and this made me line up even more with doing the right thing. The Washington Redskins played a part in us making sure that that never happens again. Two things happened. We got rid of the offensive line coach, and we got a bet. We got a better offensive linement in here. We went out and addressed it in free agency. We addressed it in the draft. So if something happens to Tyron Smith, we would not have that.

The Falcons media that game, that game, Hey, that game changed. That game changed it and not only hurt Chaz Green as a player in his development. Man, you your quarterback was no good after that? Come on, now, come on now. And that's from two things that we could have saved Chad's green by getting them out of there and running a whole different scheme. Uh, so that that's a part of the coaches deal. And now you got my man, you know, you know, recovering from that man that's too

many hits. Yeah. Speaking of Connor Williams Douglas, I think you got some audio from whatever he was. He was at the draft and uh was possibly going round one. Um local kid from right down the street like brought us said he called some of his high school games and when he finally did get the call, super emotional. Um, this is the call from Jerry Jones and Jason Garrett. Well, Connor, Yeah, got somebody wants to talk to us, Dallas Cowboys. Hold on, Connor, Connor,

This Jerry Jones, and you're now a cowboy. We just handed in, Connor. Okay, this Jerry Jones and you're now cowboy. We just handed you in. Congratulations. Hey, I just thought I knew what I might be able to coomplish when I became a cowboy. I went to another here's your head coach, hen Hey, congratulations. Man, sounds a little hectic over there. So that's that was a matching what we saw on TV when he fell on the ground. Yeah, yeah, or somebody that was excited, Oh yeah, a little bit.

They were out at uh AT and t stay for that. So really cool, super cool momentum. You got another one in there, Douglas two. I picked three that I thought were distinctive. That was that one. Of course, because he was so emotional. I think what brought us said that if he had come out in the draft last year, he'd have been a first round pick. And so now he slips through the first round into the second, goes to his home state, hometown team. We don't need commentary, Douglas,

just play. In that case, let's go to the next Oh my god, Oh my god. Who we got Douglas? Who's the next one? Is the third round pick? Wide receiver out of Colorado State Michael Gallop and a lot of people heard this and thought, man, it's a good thing that he didn't think it was a prank call. Hello, Chris, wrong, one was out of order. Here we go, Hello, Michael, somebody wants to talk to you. Michael Gallup. This is Michael.

This is the governor of Texas and I'm here. I'm here with Jerry Jones and we are proud to say you are a Dallas cowboy, das. I appreciate, I appreciate it. Of course. Jerry Jones wants to talk to you, Michael, Michael, Jerry Jones. I'm doing great. And that was our governor of Texas that just got on the phone and told you sitting right here with me, and he got to you. Now, Dallas cowboy, you'll probably very much, yes, sir, he's and

come in here and let's win some ball games. Okay, congratulating. Listen here here's our head coach, Jase and Garrett. Michael. Thank congratulations, man, Thank you you got, thank you, You got the governor of Texas calling you. You got mister Jerry Jones calling you so special deal man. Congratulations, Thank you. You're ready to work. I'm always ready, always think I know you are. I know you are. That's the big reason why we picked you. I'm excited to get you

get after. Man's a lot of noise back there. That's a good sign. Congrats. I'm gonna hand the phone to Scotland. I had happens four All right, all right, where are you going? Man? Thank you very much? Michael. All's good. That's good. Douglas. That's good. So we're gonna wait, We're gonna keep handing till we got to you. Yeah. No, I think Nates is defeated as our next guy. He's a polite young man. He said yes sir about eighty

seven times, and he took that governor thing in stride. Well, he probably didn't know what the hell was going on. Wait a minute, the governor. Why was the governor on the phone. Yeah right, I'm let's say anothering. We heard him get him out of George and that poling killing him. Did you get that part of it when he was talking basically what you okay? I'm alras, I'm in George in the poling his game year. Yeah okay, I tuned out by then. Go ahead, Douglas, what we got now?

So the final one is the sixth our first pick in the sixth round, Chris Covington, linebacker out of Indiana, And as I mentioned, uh, when he answers the phone, he sounds defeated, like he thinks he's slipped too far, but he cheers up pretty quickly. Hello, Chris, Yeah, how are you doing? Will play with the Cowboys? I want somebody wants to talk to you. Chris is Jerry Jones with the Cowboys. Good afternoon, and uh, we just drafted you, Yes we did, Yes, we did. Appreciate it. Well, uh,

congratulations to you. Seriously. It's a great time. You've worked hard to get to this spot, and we're glad to be able to draft you and really glad that this will be a great opportunity for you. You continue to work as hard as you've worked, and you'll land on it. You'll get you a spot on this team. But the main thing is we've taken the first step and we've got you on the roster y. So we're gonna be drafting and tell you family, I'm I'm proud your cowboy. Now I want to hand you the phone to our

head coach, Jason Garrett. All right, hey, Chris, congratulations, I appreciate it. It's gonna be a great opportunity for you. Excited to get you in here. Yeah oh yeah, oh yeah, I thought of so much opportunity. Okay, let's get down. Well, you got it, you're ready to work. Oh yeah, oh yeah. That's one of the big reasons we drafted you. You know that, yes, yes, how much you love ball and how much you love to work good, be a great opportunity for it is a great day. It is a

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all sure. I really like the number one pick. I think the kids got a very very high ceiling. I don't think he's reached his full potential yet. See like a great kid comes from a seems like a great family. His dad owns a big game hunting outfit. They hunt bears and wolves and stuff in Alaska. But I think he uh just a big kid. I think immediate impact. I think he plays right out of the gate. Quit looking at me, crazy, Nate. I love the second round pick.

This guy plays with for an offensive lineman. He's nasty, he plays with an attitude kind of like lyle you get him in Lyele out there. I think this is a great, great pick, and uh brought us taught me into the quarterback pick, so I'm not crazy that they gave up Switzer. I'd like to see one more year out of Switzer, but I would not have been surprised if I thought they would hold on to him in Beasley at least to training camp for for camp bodies. But I wouldn't have been surprised if if one of

those guys wouldn't have been here after camp. I'm surprised they did it in the draft, but hey, at least you got some value out of it. Um, you got another player out of it. So I'm interested to see what Tavon Austin can do. UM. I think I give them a solid B B plus. I think this is a good draft. I don't think they reached for anything. I think they let the players come to them. Took the best one that they thought was. You know what have we been saying for five months? Best best available player,

regardless of position. They could have reached for a safety a couple of times, I don't or try to trade up. They didn't do that. They just let it come to them. So I give it a solid I said, give it a solid B B plus. But you, Kurt, I agree with the fact that I don't think they got panicky. They didn't rush, you know the news that went and came out and and other things that happened. I was

glad they kind of stuck to their board. Um, didn't reach for a tight end, didn't reach for some of the other positions that it kind of let it come to them and then took the best player that was available. UM My one worry is no defensive backs. And we went into this draft saying you can never have enough, and we didn't take any. So that tells you what they think about them. I guess my question is which position are you worried about. I mean, I'm just saying

the old saying you never have enough cornerbacks. But they got in thirty of them. They got thirty of them. I mean, I'm just saying that. You know, they hired some guys that didn't I mean, they signed some guys that can get drafted. They got a lot of young guys last year. You hope they continue to develop. Me but what round would you if it's not here for Seattle? What what it wasn't gonna be a first or second pick. What round would you like they have gotten in the

sixth the seventh? Yeah, I mean, did they need another wide receiver after all the moves they made? After depth of that as much as the strength going to continue to be your offense? Yep? Yeah, Well we've been saying they need to improve their defense. Well the thing about it is I'm with you on that. But then they wouldn't have stuck to their board. Then we would have been like, Okay, then we've been here and brought us where they got off the board, and well, they stuck

to their board. So I don't know. I just I think they were probably defensive backs in that range they could have taken if they wanted. But I mean, they know more than I do. Overall grade. I mean it's a bit. I mean, like, I like what they did. I just that worries ate what you think. I like what the what they did with the Connor Williams in the in the in the wide receiving the dvs. Event, I liked all of them. I liked those moves there because if you're gonna say your strength, it's gonna be

your offensive line. Okay, you you help yourself in free agency. You you got a surprise pick, and you got a guy that was a number one pick on most people board last year and part of this year that slid and Connor Williams. You can't lose like that. If this is the strength of your team, if you're gonna put it's two into this, the running backs in the offensive line, you saying this is gonna tout your team. All you did was strengthen it. And what's encouraging to me about

that is they took that Atlanta game. They didn't hide from it. They didn't say, oh, well, this was a fluke. They realized that they had a glaring need and they addressed it. And with the wide receiver, you know, they gotta pick you see Brown said he had them in a second round. Yeah, they gotta pick here. Where this guy everything that the last few guys didn't do. This guy supposedly can learn how and be better at doing that,

you know. And then the defens event, Like I said, I've never seen this kid play a lot, you know, but what I saw in the highlights I liked, Yeah, I'm like he he looks like a defensive end. He don't look like a bolted up this that he looks like he can grow into being something special. Uh. Like I said, I woke up with that safety thing in my mind. But where where where you know? Because I was like, wait, we gotta get No, we don't. Because it's still a fine line between having enough guys and

having too many guys. Because every one our guys that we drafted last year was heard either doing all the training camp all of ended out doing it during the regular season. These guys need reps and sometimes even young guys can start to steal reps. You we get too many dbs. Now, we got people that can't get reps, and so we gotta put these guys on hold. We can't afford to do that. We don't know who our safety is. Is our safety Woods? Is that advised safety? Heath?

Is that safety cage? Ca Vaughn? Who is our safety? I'm thinking now who is? And we don't put Jones down. Jones gonna start at one of these corners. You ain't just moving him to say okay, get in line right so you can you know what I'm saying. So he's got to play one of these corners. Well, we got Lewis, we got Tito, and we got him, and we got Anthony Brown, so we got you can't have so many on the team. Let him play. They got to play. Man,

it's time to compete. That's why I say the safety thing wasn't but it didn't bother me after a while, because it's like, who is the safetist If we don't get if we don't get the kid from Seattle and we don't get a guy in the first or second round, now you're just getting the guy that we're putting in line. So now we lose either Michael Gallup Armstrong or the tight end because you gotta get a guy that can play. You build your team on the third, fourth, the third

and fourth rounds. That's where you that's where you get your horses. And I think we got the horses right there. Would you give them a grade nine to nine nine? You know you two year coming to training camp two years from now. No, we're gonna get him great out of training camp. All right, let's go, let's get out of here, sir. We will see you guys. Man Douglas. Douglas man at me, he said a word. We used to get his grade. But if I say something time I'm about to pee in my pants, so y'all can

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