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about and try to stretch for an hour. There's other days where there's so much going on and we're still in the off season. We got to talk about there's some training camp news that's going on. Kurt's got some breaking news about how they're going to handle the facility. We've got more DAK talk. Would it be a week of the off season without us talking about Dak. But we're gonna talk about this roster, what veterans need to prove themselves. And this does not happen very often, fellas,

But I have something to say. I'm gonna save that for the end of the show because this is a momentous occasion because I very seldom have an opinion or something to say, So we'll get to that later. So you guys, all you fans, hang in there for the whole hour and listen to me say something. How you doing, Fellas, what's happening? What's up man, fellas? Glad to be good weekend? Good weekend. I hate when this dude trying to prep us or whatever it is that entity show. Now I'm

all of reaction. The whole show is what do you got to tell us? Chimp, Jesse, good to see you, Kurt, good to see you, Chris, thanks for setting us up. Hey, Shannon, Hey, do you have to tell us later? Nan, You're gonna have to Nate, You're gonna have to stay on the whole show with us to hear what I have to say, because I'm saving it for the end. But now, right now, we're going to talk about training camp. I have my two thousand and six Oxnard training camp ball cap on.

This was the first time I ever went to training camp out in California. Was this year? Back in two thousand and six. The news came out this week that the Cowboys will not be going to Oxnard. Reported I don't know if it's still official, but it's being reported by several several sources. They will have training camp and what it appears to be Frisco. And then Kurt, some more news came out right before we came on the

show about how they're going to handle some of that stuff. Yeah, well, it is official that they can't go anywhere for training camp. NFL said they had to stay at their home facilities, so they will be in Frisco. And then the NFL came out today with the protocols for when players can come back to the to the offices or to the training facility. And this doesn't necessarily mean training camp. This just means ahead of time when they first come back,

they're going to be required. The lockers have to be six feet apart. They're gonna be every other locker. They have to work in smaller groups like the workout areas. They have to rotate in. They can't have everybody in there at once, and between groups they have to disinfect.

They can't have in person meetings with large groups. I think it has to be smaller groups or otherwise they'll be on the you zoom call video conference calls, just like they have been doing, or they can meet outside, I guess and kind of space it out a little bit. So there's gonna be some changes, but it sounds like

it could be before the end of the month. They might let some of the rookies and veterans come back in to the facility to kind of get the ball roll and some of the new veterans excuse me, guys like Poe and McCoy. Yeah, there's changes coming, but at least there's some progress being made. Looks like they're getting a little bit closer to football. For me, I like it. I like it because and I make Nate, you'll have

your opinion on this. I like the new approach that they're taking because as someone who's been in the NFL locker room, and you understand that is the filthiest place on earth. An NFL locker room. NFL locker room is a filthy, filthy place. And when you tart talking about spreading different type of disease, like when when the fluid hits the locker room, when infections hit the locker room, it hits it hard because you're in so much close proximity.

You're und I guess the fat guys getting fluid. It's always you look whippier, I guess because y'all, y'all have that insulated, You got those thick layers you gotta go to to get to the immut and system, gotta get into the ground. But but but but yeah, I mean, I think I think this is the right approach. Um. I think they're taking the necessary proper steps to getting us back to what we want, because the last thing we want is to happen is is we rush into this thing.

And because I do believe that that second wave is hiding around the corner, and you get a locker room full of people who are you know, asymptomatic, and but they have it, and now that ultimately will shut down facilities again and put you in a very uncomfortable situation on trying to get the ball rolling. So I think you you measure twice and cut once on the front end and hopes that you're able to prevent uh, you know, prevent an infection happened in your locker room. Unfortunately, the

Cowboys have a pretty great setup. Obviously, they've got a big locker room, they've got extra locker rooms in that fort center. They can spread guys around it sounds like some teams are gonna have a little problem getting ninety guys in there comfortably. So yeah, it's nice. It's good to be a downless cowboy, that's for sure. I'd tell you right here, fellas, Uh, what I said off air,

would not say on air. So you're right, Jesse. Then again, I'm glad you're going along with it, and I'm not gonna use the word that I use before where to go, Jesse? I cannot argue that point. As as former players, how do you think this? Does this help them stay here? Um? In Frisco for the first time? You know, did it help you guys when you went somewhere for camp? As opposed to Jesse, you have you played on teams that

have stayed kind of in their home area before. Outside of the Cowboys, Yeah, and the Patriots, they stayed new practice every day. I let the same place you practice at during the regular season, it's the same place you practice at during training camp. Um, so you stay, you stay right there. I was with the Cincinnati Bengals where you went to Georgetown, Kentucky and and did training camp there. Um, the different things at yeah, yeah, yeah, like we ain't

gonna play to watch this. The thing about the Cowboys is the Cowboys like to make it I mean a spectacle. I mean I was a part of the Cowboys where we did training camp in three different places. One year we had we had the opportunity to have the Hall of Fame Game, and I remember we started training camp

in San Antonio, Texas. After a couple of weeks in San Antonio, Texas, we then flew to oxtion Ard and had practices in oxtion Ard where we played some West Coast preseason games, and then we had the Hall of Fame game, which then took us took us back to Dallas for about a week or so to have practice in Dallas to get ready to go to the Hall of Fame game. So I was there. We bounced around in three different locations and just I mean the headache of that of just traveling all this from places. I

think this may actually work. Um, this may be something that actually may work. They have the Omni Hotel that sits right there. Um, so if you're trying to, you know, get that hotel some business in some money, you know, put the players and stuff right there. That way they can come right to the facility. Without having to do much traveling. Did the Patriots even though they had training camp at their home place? Did they How did all the players come together in one hotel? Did they just

stay home? Now, we all were in one hotel. Okay, we all we all were in one hotel. They had hotel checks and all that kind of stuff. I'm pretty sure guys like Tom Brady and such. After a certain amount of days and after hour they were like, I'm going home, but we all stayed in. We all stayed in the same hotel. I'm gonna telling Jo what this thing was supposed to do many many years ago was get you away from the family, get you together your bond. You'd be you'd be up on the one calls, one

one fight. But with the day's as travel, the use of phones, and the way you can do what we're doing here, your family never is never just a just a dollarway of a series call away series called Shannon's Girlfriend. Please thank you, so you already you know what I'm saying. So now whole headphone up, Nate, did your phone I actually called Shannon's girlfriend when you told Syria to do so. I gotta make sure I don't number she calls Mama

gross though. Okay, but I'll be honest with you. What it is designed to do when you have traveled away was mainly bring the guys together and be up under one one deal, trying to get yourself prepared for football. But Jesse, you know, like the rest of you guys know, the Dallas Cowboys training camp probably at about that ten to one became what you said, Jesse, it's about making money along with get your mind right, bill in your brand. So but it's a good thing. Some players can handle

it the big stage. Some players can't, you know. And uh, the Cowboys, for I think, for what has happened this pandemic, we need to be together with the new guys, old guys, new coaches, and they need to be in one spot, not worrying about moving, worrying about making this team and making it better. So you think that with all the other changes going on, this change of training camp, this might be a good thing. Man, Oh, it's a benefit.

It's nowhere. It's not a benefit. Can you imagine going to California which is a hot spot, and everybody's sitting there like, man, should we walk out our doll? You know, no, Man, you stay right here and Frisco tell you the else is happy. Yeah, I know, Mike, I know Mike mccordney, Crewe is happy. They don't have the load. They don't

have the loads. They don't have to load the trucks up with wings and workout stuff and football equipment oncount They're like, man, we get to stay right here there there. Their summer has just gotten a lot better because Mike mccordy and Bucket all those guys. They don't have to load those truckers up and drive halfway across America. Yeah. And for those of you that don't know, they literally pack up the entire weight room, the weights, the bitches,

the rats, the bars, like everything. They pack them up in eighteen wheeler tractor trailers and ship them to California for camp. And then they pack it all back up and send it back on top of all the pads to take the gatorade, you know, all the other equipment, every uniform for every weather, everything, every weather. I mean, the they do it all. Man, It is a it

is a monumental beaty. The weeks leading up the training, those guys, I mean they have they have these I guess their boxes they're probably what Kurt six feet six and a half feet tall, probably four feet square, and they cram them full of all the stuff and send

it out there. And then they have to take all that stuff loaded up on the planes, take it to the Hall of Fame game, ship it back for practice, ship it to the next preseason game, ship it back for practice, ship it to the next preseason game, back

to practice, and then when we break camp. The day they break camp, they load it all back into eighteen wheelers overnight, and then the eighteen wheelers come back while we're flying back to go for that that usually that third and fourth preseason game, to come back home, ship it all back along with all of our luggage. All the players, I mean, it is a those guys, they earn their money that you know what's amazing about all of this. They do this for all of the players,

but not only for all of the players. They do it all of the staff, and for mister Jones and his party, for Shannon and his If you they give you shirts, they give you they give you a pants, they give you shoes. They give it to everybody. If you carry a cowboy name. Even when I used to go out there they used to have a little, a little thing for me, a little, a little package for me, and you can take that over there and get it

washed daily. They're washing these guys clothes, not not they're unders and all of that, but the clothes that they have to wear, their uniform, they wash them daily daily. So these guys never stop moving. They don't go to lunch, they don't go to breakfast. They just continue to move. So they do a great job. Any concern about now and having a training camp in that Texas heat or indoors on the turf, nah nah nah, I mean make them tough, you know what, you know what, Jesse, you

know you you you making have a different opinion. But coaches are smart and how they work their players. But I asked a guy, you know, I told a guy one time, I got the man so hard out here. I understand what a new era, a new way of doing things that your body it's not used to being beat on at any time. But don't tell me you practicing pads, then you out of pads and you're practicing paths. Then you out of pads, then you off and you're talking about you tired. What are you doing? Really? What

are you doing. You walk through in the morning, you hit, hitting pads, maybe fifteen twenty minutes that afternoon. Next day you're walking through again. Then you next time you're you're hitting the So you mean to tell me watching film, it's just really then broke you down because that's all they do. So I'm so hey, come on, man, hey, Jesse, Jesse, is this late version of when I was a kid I used to watch Sharon You did not hear me say,

you did not hear me? No, I do not. I do not buy into how it was for us, because your body is not designed to be hit on. But you're only hitting maybe thirty minutes in a practice. Then you're off. You know, you hit, you walk through, you hit, and it maybe thirty forty minutes, and then you're off, off, you off for twenty four hours. But see, it don't matter. What I'm saying is your body is not designed. You

get what I'm saying. I'm not going there because like I tempt you, like I tell the older guys, stop man, because my story is not it's not that great compared to Drew, to Drew Pierson, I mean the Preston Pearson. My story is not that great to Bob Lily to where these guys had two and three hour practices. No water. Everybody is a little bit different, but our bodies are not designed to be beat on. But don't tell me you tire because you had a couple of practices that

equip maybe forty five minutes of hiddie. That's all I'm trying to say, be the best you can be. And I also think, you know, the strategic part about coaching is that, you know, they foreshadow what the what is the weather going to look like, what do we need? How are things going to work out? And they can look at it and go, hey, you know what, on Wednesday, it's only going to be eighty five degrees, let's practice outside. Or hey, let's do an early morning practice so we

can get outside. Maybe it's a little bit of humidity, but let's get outside on the grass. Let's get outside and the elements a little bit, you know, and then the whole. But Friday it's going to be one hundred and five, so we'll move them inside. Because I'm gonna be honest with you. You we don't play as a home team. We don't play in the elements, right we have we have the luxury of being in a billion dollar indoor facility with teams like New England who Bill Belichick,

it didn't matter what was happening. You practiced outside and they had an indoor facility, rain, sleeps, snow below zero because because Bill Buchick mindset was, you're not going to play indoors on Sunday. You're playing outdoors at home on Sunday. So why wouldn't you practicing what you're going to play in on Sunday. It's hard to get a lot of work done when you're talking about that blazing heat. Guys all of a sudden start fatiguing faster. They need ivs guys,

you know. And when that heat get on your back and you got that equipment on, this haze comes over you and you you spend more time correcting and repeating than you do actually getting good, solid working. So I

see why sometimes coaches go inside. We had we had we had the fiasco we had last year where the Cowboys were going to play in a way game and an outdoor stadium, and the elements that we were having here in Dallas was matching the element that they were going to be able to go see in that game on Sunday, but that coaching staff decided to go indoors and we saw how that played out in the game.

So that's the strategic part about coaching, knowing your players, foreshadowing what the weather may look like and how it can you can get a combination of both, because you do need to go outside a little bit and get

some of that condition again. You know, have that sun on your back a little bit that that helps with conditioning, That helps with a little bit of the mental toughness of it all, and you know, just getting being able to work through those things as you would have to in the game because you're gonna go to some places where you're not going to be used to the elements we have. We have a couple of games we gotta

December game in Baltimore. Guess what, right off the water, it's going to be cold, and if you're not conditioned for that, then that sometimes can be a distraction to you mentally. So you got to be able to propare yourself. That rat pre you able to prepare yourself mentally effically.

So I think I think the thing with this coaching staff, I'm gonna I'm gonna say I hope that this coaching staff with Mike McCarthy at the helm, will do the right things and kind of mixing and matching being outside being inside, And of course we're talking about the Dallas Cowboys, So what does that mean. That mean that it's still going to be a spectacle. And so they're going to have twelve thousand people on the inside like it's a high school football game or boxing match inside the Ford Center.

So you're gonna have some practices and there's some live practices where you're going to have all the fans come in there. You're gonna have chili to come out at the halftime of the game, of the scrimmage, or whatever it may be. Because it is the Dallas Cowboys and it is a show, and it will be a show no matter what you try to make it out to be. And over the was it current? Over the over the over the weekend or late last week? I think the governor added here in Texas said that all stadiums and

arenas will be able to operate capacity. Is that right? Did I read that right? Yeah? Yeah, that's what he's saying so far. But you know what the NFL said, They're proceeding like there's gonna be full season with full stadiums. So hopefully we'll get to that point. But the governor, governor having to be on page by time they get there,

you'll be with it. We've we've talked about the young guys and with you know, everybody getting a late start, that this may help the young guys kind of get a be on more of a level playing field with the with the veterans. Um, who are some guys that come to mind on this team, Um, that are that we're looking at that are gonna be bubble guys that are really gonna have to get in there and compete

this year. There are any guys that come to mind for you, guys that that have been on this team for a year or two, maybe three, that every veteran that don't have a guarantee contract. But yes, what happened to Noah Brown? Is Noel browns to the bar of the Cowboys? What is he? Then? This this guy they talked about so much, how much they love them. Is his physicality and how was pig and strong? And what

was Noah Brown? This is the guy who I'm looking if Maurah Brown is still on this football team in New York soon because he can block. Well, it was Noah Brown. I want I want to see one Noah Brown's got They talked, they talked him up so much as a receiver. I want to see where he's where he's at. I've always had this, I've always I've had this question with this team. It seems like there's always a guy. They always have one or two of these

guys that never gets on the playing field. That usually usually there's injuries involved where they're you know, there's a lingering issue, or there's something where they can't quite get over the hump, they can't quite get on the field. But they keep these guys around. And it seems like ever since I've been here, they've they've had those one or two of those guys that they just that seems to stay on this team. Is that Is it like that on every team where they have them at Cathain

or is it just this team? Nah? Nah No, how most teams want guys who can actually go out there and do something. Yeah, yeah nah bro Nah No, Sorry, we need the social distance. I suffered them cash real quick, real Jesse, Kurt Shannon, don't I mean? And our fans were latch on to these nobodies with latch on too, these nobodies that cannot help this team win. And where are such as such the same place he's been waiting on? Training camp. That's when they get all the fame and

training camp, which does not win games? Come home? Man? Who why why is that? Why is that? I don't Is there a reason for that? Is it? People get excited? Guy? Yeah, people get excited about somebody new, Like who was your last the receiver Javan or something like that. I mean there's always somebody in training camp. But everybody's oh, this is gonna be the next Tony Roman, the next diamond in the rough they find. But yeah, they they hang

their hat on that word potential. Oh yeah, so much potential. Man. He could be he could be the next, he could be the next. And then you know some people just never live up to that potential, man and play some ball. Yeah, it's it's getting closed. Ball is going to happen. I tell I've been I've been telling everyone for People would ask me, hey, what do you think you think NFL is going to have a season, And I'm like, go

google how much the NFL generates in revenue. When you were talking about the gross national product that's larger than some countries. They are going to have an NFL season. Now what that looks like, if there's fans in the seats or whatever, I don't know what that looks like. But they will. They will find a way to play football, because there's no way that you're not going to have a season when you're talking about that much money involved. There's just let me ask you this here, Shannon, let

me ask you this. He a serious question. Oh, I don't like serious question. What's you're gonna tell us at the end of the show? Man share with us? You know, you know what? Nate for me to be able to tell you what I'm gonna tell you at the end of the show. We have to take two breaks. We have to take two breaks, So I'm gonna try to I'm gonna try to get me to tell you a little bit quicker than I was planning on it by

taking the first break now and then we can come back. Cool, We'll talk about da Michael Irvin had some interesting comments. I want to know what you guys have to think about that. He said that they've been getting back at a at a discounted rate the last few years, so it's time to go ahead and just pay him back. Pay Um. We could talk about there you go. You could talk about Marcus Share, Marcus Marcus ware had some It's on Alten Smith, Tank and Randy Gregory and this defense.

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little bit later on. I got something to say later on, last last twenty seconds of the show. I have something to say. So hang on, tune in, tune back in with twenty seconds in the show left. Oh fellas Dak Prescott. It we cannot stop talking about Dak Prescott. It seems like every week there's some other comments, some new comments. Something's going on now, it's Michael Irvin chiming in Kurt. Michael had some things to say. I believe it was yesterday.

What did Michael have to say about Dak in his situation. Well, he basically said, paying the money, you know, he said, he's he's deserving of being the highest paid quarterback right now. I won't last long once myhomes was signed. But and he said that Cowboys have been so fortunate and they've got four years out of him for you know, minimal pay, far far less than what he's worth. So it's now it's time to you know, pay them in I guess. So he'll get paid. It's just some matter of when

they can work this out. And you had a so there was a mail back question that you sent me that's really kind of interesting and I never thought of

it this way. Go into that a little bit. Yeah, So the sticking point seems to be that, you know, Dak wants a four year deal so he can get the open market again quicker, and the Cowboys are pushing more for five and so, but is he hurting himself in the long run perhaps because say he plays under this franchise tag and then the Cowboys next year, Well, maybe they do sign him for four they've wound up getting him five years regardless, and they've had to pay

him less that first year. I mean, in some ways I wonder, you know, is it like the lottery? You never asked for the deferred payments for the lottery. You want the lump sum right now. You want as much money as you can get right now. Is he I understand he's betting on himself and he's hoping for a big payday. But the other the flip side of that coin is is he leaving money on the ta able now that you know he may not get down the road? No?

I think I think go ahead day. I was just gonna say it, and I think in the mail back question it was a good point. If he's wanting a four year deal and the Cowboys are wanting a five year deal, if you take the tag this year and play under that next year, does that four year deal become a three year deal because you're delaying it a year? Or is it a four year deal again on the table that actually winds up being five because you're getting

tagged this year? You push, you push back your open market anyway, you know, right, I don't think he loses the money. I think. I think if he if he's franchised this year, I think how he makes that money up. If he's like, well he's gonna play for less well next year. If after a good a deal done, the prices went up because Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson have gotten their deals, and if for any reason he takes this team to an NFC Championship game or something like that,

and I was, price goes up even more. So he's going he's gonna eventually get that. And then he may play hardball and say no, now I just want a three year deal. I want a three year deal at a much higher rate than was before. But I think the money part of this thing, whether it's franchise year this year and the four year deal after that or four year deal this year, and how they handle it

after that, the money part. He's going to get his payday, like, he's going to get that money one way or another, by hook or by cook, and only has to do is keep playing the way that he's been playing. And this team continues to progress and we think that they can do what they're supposed to do with the new coaching staff. I think it's it's it's almost delayed punishment, pocketbook punishment for the Cowboys. It's either either do it now or you're gonna have to do it later when

it's going to cost you more. Because if you're believing that this team can do some powerful things with him at the helm and this coaching staff, that means that means now he's going to add to his resume another forty five hundred to five thousand yards season, another twenty five plus touchdown type season. And if he then carries his team deeper into the playoffs than he has in any of his previous seasons, well, now all of you've done.

Now I'll come back to the table and I go, well, now you gotta pay me more because I've done this, and oh, by the way, the market has changed again. So that's That's that Russian roulette chicken game that you're playing. Is that if he continues on his trajectory again this year. This year he broked all of his personal records, more touchdowns, more yards, more completions, more, all that kind of stuff.

If he does that again next year, or even kind of you know, does the same thing equivalent to what he did this year next year and they go deeper into the playoffs. I'm back at the table again, and I'm saying, not a number goes up again, because you had a chance to give me less money last year and before the market had changed, and before I took our team to the divisional championship or you know, you know, divisional championship, a super Bowl or whatever it may be.

Now you gotta pay me more because of those things. The bottom line is just right here is He's not missing nothing. Okay. He came into the league a fourth round pick. Everybody because everybody just wants to be greedy. He said, He's been sensible in his own mind, saying, okay, thirty one point four million dollars, Okay, is that not

a lot of money? So so what if they if the if they if the cap moves back, So what if if Deshan Watson don't sign, It's still gonna go to thirty nine million next year And we'll be having the same conversation if this kid is made up in his mind with his representatives that I am good. Well, Matt, Now, we as fans and as analysts had that right to speculating and play the you know, the what if game. But the what if game is similar. If we have to start at thirty one point four million dollars, he's

not good at that? Can you right now? Vast you five guys even we split this up five ways account and Chris Bean, will we not be all right for the rest of our line? Yeah? Where do I sign? Yeah? So it's like, uh, I tried all of this. All of this benefits the Dallas Cowboys. If they can get him signed, that is good. See, that's that's if you ever put in your mind and thinks that, man, that is good. He's okay. He just gave a million dollars to to to retrain a million dollars to a fourth

round pick. Man. I could never give a million dollars, man, But he gave a million dollars so to the police force to retrain their people. Think now, and he ain't even signed that one older of that thirty one million dollars, He ain't touched it. Think about it now, Well, I guess what I'm wondering again, is it he's obviously betting on himself. And that's awesome. I think that's great. But

you look at We'll take Andy Dalton for example. I mean, he had his rookie deal age twenty seventh season, which Dak is entering his age twenty seventh season. He signed a big contract. I think it was like ninety million dollars at the time. It wasn't a top ten contract, but it was like ninety million dollars I think six years. He signed a long term deal, so he got through that. Now he's on that third contract. Now he's where Dak wants to be in five years. This is where Andy

Dalton is now. He winds up signing a three million dollars deal to be a backup. You know, Obviously his gamble, if you want to call it, that didn't pay off, and I think that's maybe the risk is Dak is betting on himself. But you know he got he got ninety million dollars. An I'm saying obviously paid off for him. It's gonna pay off for Dak. But Dak's looking forward to that third contract. No. See, that's that's where we

that's you don't think here landing a head at third contract. No, No, what Dak is planning for is to get this contract. He just wants to make sure he is comfortable. See, in our minds, we were we were in our minds, we were projecting oh Man to the third contract. No, what Dak is saying is I want a four year deal now, right, So so if he'll make more money, thing gets a five year deal. Hi, he'll make the

money now if he gets a five year deal. No, No, he'll make more money if he gets a four year deal because he's betting on the third contract and don't on this contract. He's betting on this contract. He is saying, give me a four year deal right right now? Right? You know, see this is saying this. This is the only this is the only thing that's that's that's messed up about this. If he gets injured, that's the only thing. But he's well, he's trying to get is this contract.

That's what he's trying to get. See we want to say, Okay, he's trying to get he want to re up with everybody else when whenever, when Rogers come up, when this guy come up, when this guy, well he the guys that he's gonna be dealing with, Deshaun Watson and the Kenny Casey, they're gonna get five year deals because they're gonna get these contracts done before the season over with, So he's still not gonna be coming up with them, He's gonna be coming up behind them before them excused him.

So what Dark is trying to do if you can lock him Whitney here, he's trying to get this contract done and he walked four years. Yeah, but I'm I know, I know he wants four years now, but why wouldn't he if he wants to paint they now, why wouldn't he take five years and more money? But black white? He can't take four years and get and get all his money. Now, see, I see you don't know what

this man has asked for. Maybe Jared him say we would give you five years and we would give you thirty seven per year, and this man may say, nah, I want four years for thirty seven right now? Ye see that's we don't know what's happening. And unless you got an inside scoop now to share with us, Kurt, you got sorry. Okay. We keep hearing that mister Jones and his party wants to do a five year deal so to help the cap, they'll know where they're at

and they can project. See everybody's talking about what Dak's trying to do. What is mister Jones and his group trying to do. They're trying to stabilize and project where they need to be. That you could do what you need to do. But I need four years right now at this amount. We don't know that amount. He could be asking for forty a year. You don't know, true, you don't know what I get what you're saying. Kurt, And and for Andy, I think he he gambled on

himself and loss. I mean he's he thought he thought staying he thought thing in Cincinnati and with that or that lineup and that coaching staff, and I mean he had some good players around him. He had aj Green, he had them, he had the Titan running back and forth, the tighting. He got hurt. So he thought that there were some pieces in there, and you know that place where he drafted him at. I think I think Dak

is seeing the same thing. I think Dak is seeing the fact that man, I got a really good team. But I also understand that if I can get back to the table, because honestly, in a four year deal, right, if he signs a four year deal in essence, in essence, he could come back to the table in three in Essex.

He can come back to the table in three because if in that first three years he does something monumental like win a super Bowl, when I get to year three, I'm saying, you know what, I've given you a super Bowl and now I kind of don't even want to get to your floor anymore. Let's let's reegrotiate this thing before I even get to year fourth. They were but mister Jones and Steven will come to him because they said, oh,

let's don't wait. We screwed this up the last time because they had a contract that was ready to be signed last year and and it got out of and it got kind of and they and dact them forced the hand and they kind of just went went solid on them, so they that if that thing happened, But this is, this is the deal is we can project

and we can do whatever we want. The bottom line is that he is trying to secure this contract and when next year comes, he's gonna be trying to steal if they don't, if they don't they let him play through this tag, he gonna be trying to secure this contract that you don't have to You don't have to worry about a third contract if but you have to worry about that sounds like a lot of people, A lot of people don't. Have you heard Dak people say that?

Have you heard Dad say that? We just only people that we've known that have said something is Missus Jones and his party. So, but were speculate? Okay? The only thing that most of us do know where eighty percent certainly is this kid want four years? So now we're tagging on everything else. We're okay, he want why, Well let me I'm assume this, and I don't assume that. I'm assuming that that trying to get these four years. That's what I'm assuming, right, Kurt? I love you like

your hat looking good? You look at Jimmy, You look at Jimmy Johnson that you see that just out of as sticking up? Yeah? Hey what a minute? I like I like to debate, though, Kurts, that's real, sweet babe. What do you what do you guys think? I know none of us have any kind of inside you dog going on thing like that. That's mine. Sorry, I know none of us, even your dog agree. What what is

y'all's gut feeling? Do y'all think he's gonna wind up getting tagged, or do you think as this thing gets like so many times with the Cowboys, he gets down to hey, gets down to the wire, they finally get to the table and they come up with the deal. What is y'all's gut feeling? You think this thing will get done? Or do you think that plays under the tag this season? I think it gets done. How do two? I think it will? Hey, four years our tag? Baby? That fifth year is so that fifth year is so

over the top. Didn't like, bro, that's the that's the that's the messes up. That fifth year is so over the top. But we know how that go. If that fifth year is so over the top, he's never getting to that fifth year, like even in the non't come back out that Like they're gonna give him that fifth year and that money gonna be so large. Think like, ain't away in the world. We we're gonna have to redo this dude. But that's what I'm saying. You got

to knock these dudes socks off. So what you think, Nate, is it gonna get done or nah, man, they're gonna tag him up for the rest of the year. I mean that tag is easy to continue to tag once you tag. It's easy to continue to tag you. And I keep saying to myself, this dude is a fourth round pick who's all of a sudden, less than three in less than four years, is considered a top depending on who you're talking to, a top ten quarterback. If you go through the top ten quarterbacks, you're gonna put

that somewhere real close to that. So now you went from a fourth round pick who's making millions of dollars off the field. So the same thing that everybody wanted him to take less for is what he relying on. Now He's supplemented everything right now, like, hey man, I just made five plant five meal off off off this thing I just did this year. So the same thing that everybody wanted him to take less from he is using so he can go fun. So I'm telling you, Kurt,

I'm looking at you. You're looking good. Baby. Hey, I just hey. I want him I want him to I want him to bet on himself. I want him to win the Super Bowl. I want him to earn that big third contract. I don't want him to wind up like Alex Smith and you know here are yeah, but you have thirty one beans, baby, you know, but he could have had, He could have had thirty seven, th forty. You know whatever, Hey, brother, I'm tell you whatever they're

trying to do is gonna lord his cap here. So it ain't that they trying to go hire and and the thing that is that that is amazing about all this man gives us good clean conversation. Yes it does. We're back talking about da. We're back talking about Dak and Dak father saying thank you, thank you, Nate, thank you. Did you see that ESPN story came out this morning? They they did a mock draft using every player in the NFL, so it could be Tom Brady or it

could be Joe Burrows. Everybody's available. They pick Dak ninth overall. Wow you think that? And the more they take Dak the more the more Dak is saying thank you. And it's aged Jared. Did you see that? Jared Like, yeah, we saw that. But we're sticking without five years. Stephen,

get the phone, So Stephen is the one years. Hey, do you think if Dak won a Super Bowl he would have a contract sitting on the table at the after partner man, this is the Cowboys, Yes, sir, absolutely, he'd have a contract and I'm blank check write your number in there. Championship to this franchise. Right now, I'm telling you this, you can take Dallas and just take it off of the map because it's gonna it's gonna

be out of this world if that happens. I'm telling commercial with missus back in David, Missus Jones to be doing flips and Breakdas and you get better, bro height fellas. Let's take our last break, Nate. I'm gonna tell you, thank you everybody. Hey, Chris Bean, take us all off day. We don't want to hear what you got to say. I have something to say when we come back on hanging with the boys. Planning your next family vacation, make

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to the final segment of this show. We've done this show probably for about three or four years now, and finally I have something to say on this show. So you guys should be very proud of me. I very rarely have an opinion or an original point of view, and today I finally have one. The one thing that I actually really love about our show is when we started this thing, however many years ago, we wanted this to be a conversation. We just wanted to be a conversation.

We wanted the fans to feel like they were just sitting around having a beer with us at the bar, or kicking it in the living room or whatever, and we're just talking sports. There's very little, if any prep that goes into this show. We don't have production meetings. If there's any preparation, that's Kurt send to me a list of ideas that sometimes we get to them. Sometimes we don't sometimes we go this direction, sometimes we go this direction, and it's really it's really a microcosm of life.

You know, we all come from very different backgrounds. We all were of all ages. We we've you know, all done various types of jobs. We're from different parts of the country, and you know, I really enjoy that. And we all respect each other. We may not always agree, but we always respect each other. We always listen to another points of view, and we you know, sometimes we challenge each other. And that's you know, that's the same thing as in life. You don't have to agree with everybody,

but you know, respect people. And with the things that have been going on the last you know, a couple of weeks in the world, and we kind of brushed on it a little bit and kind of didn't talk about it a whole lot. Last Monday, and for some reason, everything that's going on in the country has really really been weighing on me for the last week. I don't know if it's if it's guilt, I don't know, if it's if it's just helplessness, I don't it's anger, I know.

If it's anger, I don't know, if it's because I'm I'm soon we'll be bringing a son into this world. But it really, it's really bothered me all week. And then after the show on Monday, I called Jesse and I called Jesse as a friend. I called Jesse as me being a white man in America calling an African American man in America, and I just like a lot of you have probably done this last week. I just wanted to know, Hey, as a white man, what can

I do? And Jesse and I talked for a while, and I think, as a white man, you I'll speak for myself. This is a very uncomfortable topic. This is a very hard topic to talk about because I don't feel like this is my fight. I don't feel like, hey, I should pick up this cause because I will never understand what it's like to be pulled over in my car because I fit a description. I will never know

what it's like to job through a neighborhood. I jobbed all the time, and job through a neighborhood and have people looking out the window or walk inside when I go by. I'll never know what it's like when my son's born, to not be accepted into a school, or have to work harder to be accepted into that school because the color of his skin. I don't understand that. So it's hard for me to talk about that because

it's very uncomfortable. And after talking to Jesse, I talked to a lot a lot of people this past week of all different ages, of all different occupations, and I just talked in the one common and thread with all of this was as a white man in America right now, I need to speak up. I need to speak up and say I'm tired of this, Like these are my friends, these are my co workers, these are people that I

care about. And I never realized that that's important. And you know, talking to people and starting those uncomfortable conversations, I learned a lot this week. There are a lot of things that I learned I didn't realize. As African American families, you teach your kids when you get pulled over by the police, you put your hands on the steering wheel, and when the police walk up, you say your name and you say your address. You have conversations at home about hey, when you get in school, this

is what's going to happen when you get older. And it was very eye opening and it hurt, and I just feel like, you know, if you do anything this week, take the time to get to know somebody, black, white, Hispanic, it doesn't matter. Take the time what's going on right now in America and just talk to people. Get to know who they are, get to know their troubles, get to know what pains they're going through and what things they're going through, because I think right now, we need

to understand each other. The only way we're going to fix this problem is to really understand what the problem is. And I learned so much this week. And it's hard, and as a white man, it is very uncomfortable. But once you start, it gets a little easier and easier and easier, and then you realize that your voice doesn't make a difference. And Jesse told me, he said, Hey, what I need you to do is I need you

to stand up and we need your help. We've been we've been yelling this for years and years and years, and it's not doing any good. We need you, Shannon, as a white man, stand up and stand beside us and say hey, I've got a voice in this and when you're not around, I need to represent you and I need to speak up when I see injustice and I don't know why I'm saying that on the show. You know, I'm I'm not trying to preach. I'm just

saying what's in my heart. And hopefully, throughout all this tragedy and everything that's going on, we can learn to understand each other and we can make society better. And Jesse, thank you for talking to me. Nate, I know I

talked to you this week too. I talk to a lot of people that I work with, I talk to a lot of people that are friends of mine, and I just I want to say thank you to everybody that took the time to sit down and give me a few minutes and just and have real, honest conversations. And I think that's where all this starts. I think that's where making this better starts, is just talking and getting to know people. And you know, thank you guys for letting I know you guys didn't know I was

doing this. Thank you for letting me hijack the show for a few minutes. I know it's not about football, but I think that's what makes the show so great, is like it's not always about football. It's just it's about people. It's about our callers, it's about our listeners. It's about everybody. We're a family, like we really care about the people that listen to this show, and I care about you guys, and I want to make a difference.

So anything I can do to help, anything I can do to try and make a difference, I'm here to do that. So thank you, guys for giving me a few minutes to talk about this. Thank you, Thank you man, thank you for your courage, thank you for your words, thank you for your actions. And you know, you and I had a really good, deep conversation, and so this means a lot to me as a black man, as your friend. And I hope people heard you. I heard. I hope that's the thing. I hope people heard you.

We've we've struggled with that for years of listening but hearing, but not listening. I hope that it penetrated people's hearts. I hope people penetrate people mind and they too want to take the same steps action steps that you have taken and will continue to take from this point going forward. So thank you for using your platform and using your voice to help to help me to help the people in our community. So thank you, Shannon, Hey brother, appreciate

you man. Just keep doing what you do. Man. And like, my biggest thing right now is that I'm trying to tell people don't forget. Don't forget, because that is what we've done. You've always said, Okay, this has happened. What about the you know, what can we do to move on?

What we can do to move on, and this is for all races, is to make sure that we vote for the right people locally, statewide and nationally, vote for the right people that artists and trying to put things in place that cares about America as a hold and not just a segment. That is where we've missed the mark. We have to come together as a whole. What is good for Kurt, what is good for Chris, what is good for Shannon, what is good for Jesse, what is good for Nate? Will be to be to compromise so

that everybody can live as a whole. Thanks Shannon, I mean, all right, it's inspiring. I appreciate you doing that. I've taken smaller steps. I'm talking to my children, trying to educate myself, learn more, but I admit I need to step out more, talk to people. I appreciate your guys and the opportunity to debate with you each week, and I wish you could do it more often. But thank you, thank you all to all of you, Thank you Shanna

for stepping up. Chris, I got something you want to say, baby, I'm looking at you, man, you got tears in your guys, Come on, baby something man. Hey, Chris, I could tell where you was going. I can tell when you called me this fast weekend. I told my wife, I said, Chris got something to say. So when you came with that, I knew. Probably Jesse knew where you was going with this. We call Chris Shannon. I'm sorry. I just y'all, I'm sorry,

he's serious. Sorry, I do you want to break thice fellas y'all sitting there looking sad, bro, This is a great moment, not a sad mom. This is a great moment. Okay, all right. I appreciate it, guys, and I love this show. I love getting on here with you every week, and when we get back in the UH in the office, I look forward to, UH, let's go break bread at some point and talk about some real issues outside of sports and see how we can get together and try

to make a difference. So Chris Stakes for keeping us. So there we go. Hey, we will don't worry. Chris Stakes for keeping us on the air. Kurt, stay strong, Brother Nate, Jesse, love you guys. Thanks for hanging out. We will be back next Monday, right here, hanging with the boys. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.