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up and coughing? Kurt Daniels all morning, No, starting with that, he's got a health and he's okay. How are things? How are so you had to check up recently? Kurt? How are things are you good? No? I'm good, doing all right? You know. Yeah, I can't complain. I think everything's where it should be. Everything's functioning properly. Yeah, I think so so far, so good. Yeah, everything off the way I need to Kurt you, Yeah, yeah to you?

Oh yeah, that was nice. Yeah. Speaking of I don't see you guys because I don't have the stream pulled up, but I have on my ears. What heaven must sound like. I received a pair of those noise canceling headphones, I think the number one in the seven hundred, and not only are they comfortable, but these are the best like hearing things I have ever put on my ear. Do you guys have yours on? Oh? Yeah, they're amazing. Thank you, Hey, I'm gonna say thank you. Bos We kind of got

a little crossed up on mine. Um. I remember I wanted the headphones and my wife told her, the young lady, that I wanted buds because you see me, we need buds on. But you know, I wanted their phones and it was having problems but the buds, so probably next week I have mine. But man, I saw y'alls on the deal. Nice nice, Jesse got nice man. Wow, Yeah, I got mine on man, like the Bluetooth Action and everything. I love it, man, I take my walks with them as I love it. The sound is great, the noise

cancelation is great. You know. The thing that I'm trying to feel him before Kurt say something is why I get to feel the Jesse. You're trying to block everybody anyway with the noise counselan so that when people won't call your name man, don't do that, and you don't need to run around with those. I learned that from the school of Nate Newton. Yeah. Wow, well I look bad. I look bad. I need to get a haircut. Wow. Anyway, Kurt, how you doing. I'm doing well. It's good to see

you guys again. You guys ready for this draft. I'm ready, man, I am ready, more than ready. Yeah. All right, Shannon? You okay over there? Not hearing anything. Everybody in the cut. We lost Shannon on the web. It's nice. We got the draft coming up, so I mean I'm back. Oh, he's back. All right. We're just getting ready to talk draft. Shannon. What do you think? Let's go go with it, Kurt, let's go all right? All right, So we got to the seventeenth pick. What are you feeling. You got a

certain position you're liking. Sounds like a few guys start with you. I'm with you, Jess. Hmm. It's been lost, jest. Safety or corner, safety your corner, safety, your corner, and we're not going safety your corner in this first pick in the NFL draft. I think we're doing ourselves with this service. You know what, though, but the c J. Henderson has been the one that's been slotted over the last few weeks, and they talk about Atlanta moving up

just to get this CJ. Henderson. So I'm with you, man, uh, we we need some type of corner, some type of safety. Man if and if all those fails, we need that that is Rother, that Chase some kid LSU And they've got a linebacker here at Oklahoma. I'm not one not mispronounced his name and I say it right. So they've got the kid at Oklahoma that's a good outside linebacker. So it's a lot of defensive players out there. But I'm with you, Jesse. Corner and safety should be a

just a knee the hungry, hungry need for us. Yeah, I've seen a lot of these mock drafts that had Chason following us and US taken him. Jesse, you wouldn't You wouldn't be okay with that. I'm okay with it.

I still think there's other needs that we need to address. Um, if we don't if we don't understand that this thing is going to be a passing league and we gotta be able to defend the back in, we're gonna find ourselves in a situation again where we went up against the top quarterbacks, We're not gonna be able to hold up. I think people are gonna start really missing Byron Jones. Yeah sure, I mean, but what if like Henderson's gone. It sounds like the secondary cornerbacks you know, might be

a little deeper than your ad dressers. I mean, would you would you rather take a guy that can get to the quarterback on the defensive line that I've seen Chason, I've seen Ken Law defensive tackle thrown in there under us, I've seen Henderson. McKinney the safety is a name has been in a few months drafts. To us, that's who I like the most. That the McKinney kid is who I like out Alabama the most. Both the kid at lsue he needs to be a better open field tackler

and McKinney. But they say, a guy that can line up in the slot, he can line up on outside receivers, he can stand back in the hole. Is the Xavier kid and the McKinney kid. That's what that's what we need. We need that all around safety because and I'm not saying what this coaching staff needs a want, because we don't know what they what they desire, But I would like that all around athlete that can play multiple deals in multiple sub package. We need safeties that are not

leaving the field. In the last few years, we've had too many safeties leaving the field and that and maybe that's why they have always thoughted won a position of need. But if you got a safety that can play multiple positions and slide down in the slot, now you can, uh, if you can ever get that guy in here, now you now you can side looking at that front end a little bit more with a few more picks. Yes, some our our Dallas Cowboys dot com writers let me

run through. They released their mock draft I believe last week. Um, Dave Hellman's got us taken delp it from from LSU. The safety. Yeah, I mean that, that's that's Dave. Yeah, that's that's Dave. Was looking out for his homeboy. That's Day looking out for his homeboy. Got the best the safety out of Alabama. McKinney, Rob, that's the man, gold Shannon Gold. Rob's got got us taken Henderson out of the cornerback out of Florida. And he won't be that Kyle.

Let's go Rob, but he won't be that, Jesson, I don't think I'm serious, man, This kid three weeks ago was broadly mentioned in the top fifteen players, the top ten players now and this this could be rumor, you know, because rumors are alive, and well more so now than any other time because of the unique situation in the draft. But that c j Henderson when they first mentioned him. I don't know how you felt, Jesse, but I was like, man, this is we need a big guy six one, two

or four or whatever. He's over two hundred pounds long arms. He's what you're looking at the traditional corner in these days, man, And so who would challenge one on one? So here we go. Uh, there's other guys out there, But that that was the guy I was. I was. I was salivating for that kid. Man, I don't have to They'll have to move up if they want to get him, just the way everybody's signed to push him in these last few days. In these last weeks, man, Like I say,

a lot of people were hol of things. You know, hey, we like this guy. We're doing this and trying to position themselves in a different way. But uh, I don't think teams can't afford to do that this year because with the unique situation or the virtuous draft, you know, you you measuring hand jacking round with somebody else and

the person you really won't be gone. So you may be just throwing things out here out here now, but this thing's gonna be moving fast and he's gonna be furious and people are gonna be on the phone trying to, you know, cover up the phone. But you know what, this technology is something else. So you got to be precise and who you want and know who you want if they fall to you. But you wouldn't trade up. Who means not the reason I won't trade up and for a true first round pick. And this is what

I'm thinking. I c J. Henderson, He's a true first round pick for the first round grade. I think. Nah, I wouldn't at one spot, but Atlanta's at six team, So Atlanta's that's what you gotta trade with somebody who wanted. Atlanta is in the same situation as the Dallas Cowboys, all offense, no defense, and no special teams, so they're trying to afford the decide that so you got you gotta move up at least three spots, four spots, you know, So Uh, now you're talking about third round page. Yeah,

I'm with you. I don't think they can afford to give up draft picks to move up a little bit. I think there's gonna be gun. They can help them on the defense. I'd hate for them to to lose some of that draft capital. I don't they could spend later because they need guys they need they don't have. I don't think one player is gonna put them over the top, So I don't think it's worth giving up, you know, draft picks to try to move up a couple of spots. Yes, I really might, knowing what you're

thinking on them, Yeah, yeah, yeah. My biggest thing is is for the for the Cowboys, they just have to be able to put themselves in the position to compete defensively. I think I think what you get and Tank and that whole defense, they're they're gonna be a lot put on their shoulders. You're gonna need those guys to step up and play big this year. I don't think you're gonna have Dak Prescott and these virtual workouts or whatever

they are for a long time. So when we finally get back to football, there's going to be the offense takes a little bit longer always to catch up to the defense. So if the season starts and our offense is still trying to find their legs, our defense is gonna have to hold this thing down. And everything that's coming up into this the new NFL is going to be guys passing the football thirty thirty five forty times

a game. And if we're not able to cover on the back end, it doesn't matter what we have up front. They're gonna have receivers running all open all over the place. We need some guys that's gonna be able to be man to man, get up in your face, cover and be able to run with some of these apples that

down coming to the National Football League. So what you're saying is that splits split second of jam or that read that red and making a guy think gives that defensive linement that extra step to get in there on that quarterback. Absolutely, Jesse. Would you move up in this draft or from what you've seen the depth of the talent, you know obviously they need to you want to go

after a safety or a cornerback. What would it take for you to move up or do you think they stay where they're at or do you think they should maybe fall back a few spots and get some more picks if the guy that they have actually really coveted is not available. Now, I understand moving back a couple of picks because they need all the draft capital that they can actually get right now. Giving up later round picks to me, is going to hurt. This hurt this team.

They need every single pick. Nothing necessarily hit, but they need every single one of their picks to be a contributor to their football team for the next and the next year or two if this thing is going to take the next step and becoming a real championship type team. So giving up draft picks is not going to help this team. They need. They need so many players from this draft with low salaries with high impact on the

field to help. What's the officially gonna have to be, you know, covering up for those big contract that they gave Tank, that they gave Dad, and that they're gonna give Dad, that they gave Zeke, that they gave Amari. So if you're having guys in the draft or losing guys in the draft or draft places because you're moving up, I think that only hurts you. They need every draft pick in this draft and for every one of the draft pick that they pick to kind of have some

success early on, quick, faster than the hurry. See, I don't think this. You know, you gotta go ahead on Kurt. I'm sorry, No, it's fine. I just saying I agree completely. I wouldn't be totally opposed to them trading down. I mean, if the guy they really don't cover it is there and they think you can get him a couple picks later, I'm with Jesse, I'd take a couple extra picks later on if they still think they can get their guy.

Like I definitely don't think it's worth moving up because they're not one guy away from, you know, changing things over or whatever. The thing here is that I agree with Jess a hundred percent is you're not gonna hit on every one of these guys. But for you for you to float somewhere else in this draft and not understand that your issue is defense, that you have a new offensive head coach, coordinators and defensive coordinator, that things through virtual is not going to always be the smoothest

way to do things. That's an option that you have. You're gonna have to uh do something defensively, not spectacler, but at least hold your own defensively. You just can't go out there just be a seal and giving up point at the point. At the point, I mean the coaches that are new in this league. We're putting in

new systems, new offensive defensive coordinators. You are. This is the first time that a coach that's got say like the Green Bay Packers uh uh out of Kansas City Chiefs or even the Patriots by losing their quarterback, they still have a jump because they have infrastructure that's already in place. Cowboys will have an infrastructure that's in place no more. How do you uh let players know who you are as a coach if you never see them.

So the first time they're gonna have an impact of seeing you is maybe two months from now, three months from now. We don't know. So we don't know who MacArthur is, and we don't know what this culture is. I mean, I can threaten Kurt all day on this, on this, on this, on this camera here, but Kurt, like hen, you got no fear because I can't do nothing to him. I just love you, Kurt. You're my bar You ever chi Man. I don't. I don't think they shouldn't up. I think there's gonna be they have

enough needs that they're good where they're at. If anything, trade back and maybe get some more picks. But from what everything we've heard about this coaching staff is they're not going to try to jam people into schemes and they're not going to try to make people play different than what they're good at. It sounds like this coaching staff is going to evaluate the talent, say you're good at this, so we want you to do this. We'll find somebody else to do this in this scheme, or

change the scheme to fit the personnel. So I think this may be one of the first drafts that we've had in a long time where you don't miss on a T. J. Watt because he doesn't fit what we're trying to do. He's talented as hell and he's probably the most athletic person, but we're going to pass on him because he doesn't fit this. I think I think this coaching staff, with all they've said, they're gonna draft

the most talented guy now. I think they're probably going to go into this thinking we need to go defense um and if a really talented offensive guy. Hell, it wouldn't surprise me if if you've got one of these receivers everybody's talking about that's there, they may go that way. I just think this might be the first draft in a long time where you're you're actually getting the most talented athletic guy that's left on the board. So I think you, I think you sit where you're at, you

see what falls to you. You get in the in the virtual room, I guess with the coaches and the ownership and Will and Stephen and Jerry and you say, you know, we really need to go this way. But this is a guy that we could use, and this is how we could use him, and he's definitely the most talented. So I'm very interested in this draft for

that reason alone. You know, the thing that you don't like about in this draft is that we have a new coaching staff and assistant are new, that the some of the systems are new offensively, all of the system is new defensively, because they're gonna be asking these guys to be more athletic, to be able to think above their shoulders a little bit more. They're gonna scheme a little bit more you know that it's coming. You know it. They're gonna be single high safety and here we set

it's gonna be some different looks, some different ways. Techniques are got to be taught. H that that maybe a little bit more different than what the vast coaching staff wanted. So, uh, this is exciting time, and I know it's a scary time for the for the mister Jones and his crew because you just you know you can. You can interview all day, but until you put this thing into effect, you just don't know. And with draft picks, uh, you gotta allow Will McClay to say, Okay, coach, I see

what you're like, I see what you want. You gotta let Will McClay go out there and really earn his check, you know, uh, because it'll be more about what him and his scouts say or see then, more so than the coaches, because they ain't been able to get out there at all. Film is all they've been able to watch. Well, let's take our first break, fellas. Let's uh, when we come back, let's get into we'll do a little more draft talk. Dak Prescott's name has come up yet again

in the news about not participating in virtual workouts. I talked to General McCoy over the weekend also to talk to Justin March that that interview hasn't come out yet. And then a really good mail bag question came through. Who on the team has the potential to break out the most under this coaching staff. I think that's a real interesting question because I can think of about three or four guys off the top of my head that I think may really benefit from a fresh start with

this coaching staff. And I want to get y'all y'all's feedback on who you think could could be have a huge breakout you're under this new coaching staff. So we'll take a take a couple of minutes break will we come back. We'll get to all of that and more, and we'll let Jesse talk in the next segment on Hanging what the Boys. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.

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over the DFW area. We've I think we've got North, South, East, and West represented joined us for the Dallas Cowboys Draft Live presented by Miller Lite on April to twenty third, that is this Thursday, at seven pm. We can now announce it the cat is out of the bag. It will be hosted by huge Cowboys fan Jamie Fox and

tomorrow Marcus Ware. The annual Draft Party has been reimagined into a virtual format for twenty twenty, with exclusive draft coverage, front office and player interviews and more available to fans everywhere. For details and to watch live, go to Dallas Cowboys dot com slash Draft Live. We'll talk about that more in a second, But Kurt, you've got something to do with the draft as well, right, Yeah, you can still

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draft party. I don't know how up to date you are with all this that's been going on, Curt, all the behind the scenes stuff, Jesse Nate. I know you guys probably don't know a lot about it. But the last basically two weeks, from the time I get up till the time the emails stopped coming in, I have been on non stop calls, video conference calls about this draft party, trying to get it secure. And I know Matt Kent that's makes all the magic happening on all

these parties. He's uh, he's got a big part to doing this in this live draft party. Beam that's a that's running the man in the production board right now on the call on the podcast with us. He's got a lot to do with this stuff. So if anything screws up, it is their fault. So I'll give out his email address the next podcast on Monday, and you can email him if it. If it goes south, it's Matt Kent's fault. So but no, it's actually gonna be if we pull this thing off, which there's no doubt

in my mind that we will. It is gonna be one of the coolest things that we have ever done since I've been here, and I've been here a long time, and we've done some really cool stuff. But to pull this thing together and and do it all virtually and not be in the same building and the same meeting rooms to talk about this and do it all virtually is going to be a huge feat and it's gonna be really cool. With DeMarcus, he's super fired up. I've

talked to him a couple of times about it. Jamie Fox, he's all he's been a Cowboy fan of his whole life. We're gonna have call ins from players, hopefully some celebrities are going to call in, and it's gonna be a good time. So if you are around and don't have anything to do Thursday night, check it out. You can

see it on all of our social channels. I think the first thirty minutes of it will be broadcast on our social channels and then you can catch it on Dallas Cowboys dot Com for the duration of the draft. So check it out. It's gonna be really good. It's gonna be very cool. You know, I wonder if this is something they'll keep doing going forward, even if things kind of return to normal, because it's it's got potential to be great. It's gonna be amazing. Yeah look and yeah,

me too. And I know kind of the behind the scenes stuff that's going on, the kind of the way that this is gonna work. But Jesse and Eate I kind of want to get Jesse will start with you. Kind of want to get y'all's feedback. What do you we know, how we normally watch the draft with everything being virtual and you're you're not getting the red carpet and you're not getting all the players in the green

room and all that stuff. What are you expecting from kind of I guess a fan point of view from the draft this year because they still have fascin interest, they want to do thirty two different fan bases across the country that is still want to be locked in because they're waiting to see all right yeah and then and then on top of that would have been thirty two teams uh being represented in their fans. You know, Uh, this will be more video than we've ever seen my fellas.

Uh when that when the first pick of the draft, Joe Burrows. They're probably shoot a video cam of of his home and maybe what he's doing with his family or his ten members mess in his house. But then it'll be a barrage of highlights of Joe Burrows winning the National championship and so on and so forth. So uh that it's it's gonna be unique. But you know, the NFL would not let you down with with a

lot of with with a lot of things that they do. Kurt, what kind of interesting kind of a work type deal. What what are you going to be doing on the draft or do you have anything to do with any part of I don't have any you just kind of as a fan, right, most of our work's already done. I mean, if Nick needs, if the web guys need some help, I'll definitely jump in. But they're they're so good at what they do. I'm not sure they will

need to help. But I'm kind of interested in. You know, some of the stuff I've been reading is these mock drafts just maybe totally off. I Mean there's this theory that you get all these scouts together at these pro days and they sort of formed this group think about you know, this this players. You know, these are the how the players are ranked. This players better than that one. We don't really have that interaction this year. It's everything

so separate. There weren't any pro days, and some people are kind of believing that you're not gonna have this group think. So you may see some real changes of what the experts, the so called experts, the way they think these mock drafts are gonna fall. It may be quite a bit different. I think that's gonna be kind of an interesting aspect to this year's draft that you

don't have in previous ones. Because if you go to NFL dot com, Shannon, Kurt and Jesse, they have four they have eight guys that they consistently think a first round picks. Then they have another one, two, three, four or five six guys that they're saying first a second round picks. So virtue, these guys will be high first round picks, I mean low first round picks, high second

round picks. So a lot of guys, I'm with you, Kurt, A lot of these times, a lot of these guys are out on their own for the first time, asked experts because they're not gathering and they're not forming they're not getting together saying, Okay, what a you got on your board? What are you guys looking like? What? What? What? What you think about this guy? So? Uh, you know, we we like the Xavier kid from Bama. But as I look on this things, no, there's nowhere on him

where he's a Day one pick for us. What NFL dot Com saying there's just one of many outlets that has a view of a player. That's a great theory, Kurt, because if you think about it, a lot of you know, a lot of people in the media that do these mock drafts, they have you know, they're people they talk to, they have people that are in the building, they have

people they form relationships with over the years. Well, those people hear a lot of watercool are taught, you know, and whether they're in the scouting department or whether they're

in the front office or whatever. You you know, you you walk by your buddy that's in your scouting department and you hear him having a conversation about a guy, and it turns you on to that guy and you're like, Oh, I'm gonna check him out and I'm gonna go watch some film or I'm gonna and then you kind of you keep hearing the same names over and over, and that winds up kind of you know, if you're a source,

then you wind up telling that to your guy. Well, like you said, you don't have those conversations because you're not in the same building. Everything you hear is in a formal, I guess kind of virtual meeting setting, so you're not having a lot of these casual conversations about

this guy and this guy. So, yeah, everything you pro days, right when these scouts are at these pro days across the country, there is these you know, almost these locker room talks or you're in the same airport as another scout or another gym or so on and something like that. So you have these casual conversations and Jason garigs to say over a couple eliminades and that kind of you know, that kind of almost tips to hand sometimes what teams are looking for, what teams are maybe going, and so

you got a better understanding. So with all that being eliminated, you know, to church point, you absolutely have a different all around perspective of what may be happening, who may be going where, who may be picking up because these guys are just like us. We're all so questioned in our homes and you don't have those because you can

get a feel for a guy. You know, you've you've all set with guys and had conversation with guys he by oh he's lying, or you're knowing a guy long enough to know that when he's telling the truth or when he's not telling the truth. So, you know, not having that face to face interaction, whether it be at someone's pro day and an airport, at a bar, at a restaurant somewhere somehow throughout all these travels, these scouts and gms, they just they just don't have that face

to face interaction anymore. So even even the reporters, the insiders who are at these pro days, uh and at these same bars in these same hotels, they don't have that access either. So there's probably gonna be a lot of hitting misses when it comes to what are the you know, what are the scouts saying opposed to what are the quote unquote experts saying, or what are the

team actually pick. So it's gonna be an interesting, interesting um Thursday Friday, especially those first two rounds because we're all gonna be tuned in. You got thirty two teams, thirty two fan bases invested, and what this drive is is gonna do And we're all looking for for something. We're looking for something new and refreshing. When in terms of sports, you know, of course we all watched last night the documentary of the Bulls, so we're all gonna be tuned in for the NFL drift in the NFL

is king in America. You know when when when when when you look at this, when you look at this like you keep seeing me to turn my head and and you know, and I named out possible first round picks defensively, and I'm you know, you name out possible first round picks offensively. And uh, for the first time by by us um being in this virtual world. Uh, you don't have a top ten set of guys are top five, you know, you know, the only person we know is Chase Young and in the burrows after that,

we don't know. I mean, even tour name has been tossed around. It's for is getting down to possible six pick San Diego and guys like that. So for the first time, you can't just lock in and say, hey, this is this is how it's gonna go for at least the first two or three picks. You just don't know this year. Yep, all right, that's enough for draft talk. I want to get into Let's finish this show stronger

than we ever have. We need to talk about Jack Prescott, we need to talk about Gerald McCoy, we need to talk about that awesome mail, bad question. Let's do all that. Let's take our break now that way the last twenty minutes of this show. We can just bring it. You guys with me, We bring it at this last segment. Let's do it. Yeah, Justice's back. Okay, then we'll bring it. We're gonna take a quick break, we come back. We're

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got a quick question. Can I ask a quick question derail things? Yeah? Absolutely, so, Hey, Jesse, so you've had the Cowboys gear behind you and you've had Carolina gear behind you. What's that behind you today? Now? So fourth and long gear right there? Those are the old right there from when we were Yeah, that's my fourth and long jerseys right there. It's a little fourth and long poster up there. These are this was the this was

the we had a game. This a black helmet was a game where everyone that got eliminated got brought back for this one game and if they outplayed you, they were gonna get your spot. Um and you know, if they didn't now play you, they got back on the bus and went home. And this was our kind of every day uh you know, every game type helmet right here though, the old helmet. So this was the exces verse the olds and I wore number eighty three during

that time. That's the number that they gave me. Uh so, yeah, so that's the that's the good old fourth and long uniform back there. Long or a high school thing or what? No, that's fourth and long right there. Good deal? All right, Kurt, where do you want to go? We got Dak Prescott, we got Gerald McCoy and we got the mail back question. Well, I did want to get your feelings on the latest news on Dak. Seems like every week we have something

news Dak. But you know, it's kind of come out that he's not going to participate in any of these virtual offseason meetings or anything like that. I guess if there were OTAs or something, maybe he wouldn't be involved in that. I know he's trying to gain leverage for his h you know, to work out a long term contract. But I gotta wonder, is this is this hurting him more than it's helping him. What do you guys think If it hurts Dak and hurts the team, that's this

bottom life. It hurts Dak and hurts everything offense, and it hurts everything defense because right now you need Dak in there because into it. You know, we talked about a lot in the first few minutes of the show about defense, defense, defense. Well, if he was at least there doing the virtual things, trying to gather all he can gather and and have his little one on ones with the coaches over the phone or whatever, he can at least be even with everybody because they're gonna need ever, ever,

every man they can get. But he already has leverage, So I guess it's I guess you can get more leverage. I don't. I don't know I would, but just from a team Steele point, if he's not gonna be ready, if he's not doing you know, the system or whatever, and they franchise him from one more years as they lose leverage because he may not be as prepared, or like you said, it may hurt the team. I mean he's like, I don't know. I just wonder if it's

hurting him this that this cannot bowl. Well, you fired your coach, brought in a coach that you thought said okay, we need to we can't go backwards, we have to do this today. And you did that with your quarterback in mind. So if it hurts Dak, I mean who signed who got him? Signed a deal for thirty million and then okay, if you franchise the next year, it's gonna be about thirty nine million. So who is it hurting. It's hurting the players that's a part of that team.

It's hurting the fans. I mean, you you cannot let this linger if it's about trying to show the fans that you're trying to win. Now, I don't and I don't get into the negotiation that between mister Jones and that. But if that's not there, who's your next option? Yeah?

Its it bothers me a little bit or a lot because I think this season more than any other season, the way things are going, and everything's gonna be virtual, like you're not getting to spend that time on the field with your guys, So you need every opportunity, whether it's meetings, whether it's interaction with coaches, what through virtual interviews, interaction with players through virtual interviews, like, you need every You need to be around this team and this coaching

staff as much as you possibly can because everything's new. You don't know anything, and everybody is already gonna be a little bit behind the curve this season because of not being able to be in the facility, not being able to have then pay them man his mon need if you want him there, pay the man his money need. Here's the thing. This hurts no one but the Dallas Cowboys. And here's why. Because if he decides to sign his franchise tenure right thirty three million dollars and this season

doesn't go as well as planned. Once you become a starting quarterback in the National Football League, Dak will have the opportunity even if they franchise him again next year for almost forty million dollars. So that's two years for seventy million dollars. Seventy something million dollars on a guy. If you decide to let him walk, this is gonna happen. He's gonna go somewhere else in the National Football League

and sign a long term deal. And now that puts you back and rebuilding mode, because now you have to go back on the market and find another quarterback. Look at the quarterbacks in the last thirty years that's been drafted in the first round. Only a small percentage of them have actually been drafted in the first round and had a long term success in the National Football League. Finding a quarterback is one of the most essential pieces and building a team in the in the NFL, you

have one. You have one right here. And the longer you prolong this thing and the longer you go into this thing, the more he's gonna be away from this team and not doing virtual workouts. I don't blame him for not doing virtual workouts. He's done everything you've asked him to do up to this point. Now he's asking you to do what you're supposed to do, and he signed me to a long term deal that I see

fits what I want to do. And if you don't, then you find yourself in this situation where you're going to have to look for a new quarterback. He's going to have an opportunity in the league again to start four a team. I just I know that for a fact.

Teams are gonna look at do I go draft a guy out of college in the year or two who I don't know, Or do I take a guy who has four or five six years of experience, who had a bad situation in Dallas, who we think can be a starter for us, so he'll get an opportunity again to start in this league. The Cowboys have to worry about if we go and then they won't be They

won't be bad enough. The Cowboys in the next two years won't be bad enough to get themselves in a position to go and get a guy like Lawrence or someone else in the draft that may come up. They won't be that bad. They'll be somewhere where they're at right now, and most of the time those type of quarterbacks don't get to seventeen. You lucked up with getting the guy in the fourth round in dak Prescott. And if you look over your history from the Dallas Cowboys,

they don't have a great history of quarterbacking. Yes, you have Roger, you have Troy, and then after Troy, you went through a long list of failures at the quarterback position, and you lucked up on a guy in Tony Romo who you got undrafted, and then you lucked up again on a guy in the fourth round. I don't know

if they haven't. I don't know if Jerry's manufacturing full leaf clovers, but I doubt you're able to get that lucky again to find a guy who could come in and be a starter that you got in the fourth round. And as bad as you may have thought, Kirk Cousins was, Washington is in that cycle right now. Yeah, the Redskins in that cycle just good enough, are just bad enough to be picking way down low. And now you got a chance to pick in the second round. And you

got a kid last year in the first round. But maybe the seventeen eighteen or twentieth thick. You don't like this kid, you're letting him come up for discussion. Now you're talking about being you won't chase Yon. But you see, I have to give consideration to a tour that you don't want to be there. You don't want to be there, and so I Kirk to me. Kirk Cousins a perfect example. The red Skins didn't warn him. He had a social

year with Minnesota last year or so ago. Last year they found a groove with this kid, and so they went into the second round. Quarterback is the central I wish you just essential to what you're trying to do and how you trying to have longevity as a winning program. Don't you guys think too? If I mean you, you groomed at now for several years, and you kind of the last year or two you you've painted yourself into a corner by saying he's our guy, he's our guy,

We're going forward, he's our guy. We're building this team around him. If you don't sign him to a long term deal, isn't that kind of just wasting the last five to six years of this of the talent on this team because you you've been saying for the last two to three years, he's our guy. We're going forward with this guy. Now, all of a sudden, if you let him go, that's kind of you've just kind of thrown out the window what your long term plan is, right,

I know what brother gang or add none. The takeaway man, this is either this is either make a break for the Dallas Cowboys and how they're gonna handle this situation because you're bringing another quarterback and this guy's gonna have to be lead. And even though there's a lot of quarterbacks when this started that was out up free, older guys and young it was nobody that you can say, hey, he's that much better than than than that. So, like

I said, I don't get into negotiations. I don't know what's holding the good negotiations up, whether it's years or whether it's money per year or guarantees. I don't know what's holding the virtual I can name a couple of teams we'll be looking for a quarterback. If they decided the franchise back for two years straight after this, after his two years up hanging dollar, they don't give him a long term deal, you got you gotta suspect Bruce's areas in Tampa Bay will be looking for a quarterback

in two years when Tom Brady retires. The New Orleans Saints with Sean Payton, we'll be looking for a quarterback in two years. Um if, if, if, when when Drew Brees retires, I'm pretty sure that a team like the coach will be looking for a quarterback in two years after Philip Rivers retires or they move on without him. There are a couple of teams. San Diego might be still looking for a quarterback in two years. If things

don't work out, There'll be Pittsburgh. We'll probably looking for a quarterback in two years if things don't work out. Been rather Burley inside to retire. There are a lot of teams, good football teams who will be looking for a young, starting caliber quarterback in two years. If the Cowboys can't get him locked up, don't don't, don't think for one second that these other teams won't throw him a boatload of cash and see if he'll see if he'll leave Dallas. So if he won't, let's move on.

We got a few minutes left in the show. We'll go. We'll go a little bit over since we didn't get started to a little bit late. Two things I want to get to. One. I was able to talk to Gerald McCoy over the weekend and one thing that really stood out to me that he said, And Nate, I can't wait to get your opinion on this, because you've been you've been screaming for a big, fat, greasy guy in the middle that you want, and it sounds like we got him. Sounds like we got a couple of them.

But one thing that stood out to me when I talked to Gerald was he's lost twenty pounds in the offseason and he said he feels better, His knees feel a lot better, he feels healthy, and he wants to try to elongate his career. He's talked to some people in the past and he thinks he can do that by coming in a little bit lighter. Now. That kind of goes against why, I guess, Nate, why you wanted a big run stopper is twenty pounds on a guy

that clogs up the middle. That does that worry you a little bit that he's coming in and he's wanting to slim up a little bit, or is that gonna make it better? Because he's gonna be able to be more athletic and agile. Jerald McCord is a three technique, so he'll be playing with Malie Collins, play that over either guard. So, uh, that that's good, that's great. Uh. He's savvy, he plays hard. That that that is my deal. He's smart and he plays hard. He's a veteran type guy.

We got him here for a year or so as a stop gap until they can sign something better or draft something that is worthy. To show Tristan Hill what he what a three technique should look like an act as a professional. You got done, Terrio Poe. Man, that's a poke eaton man. That's a beef eat man. That's a sour eaton man. So I ain't worried about that. The one technique is taken care of. Me and that man, we are already. I got some things go to corral.

Here we come, Me and don Terrio Poe. I guess was my question too, Say, you know McCoy's not really that stop Yeah, beef in the middle. You want him pushing up field, rushing. Yeah, he's a three technique man, and if he can bend that edge, that gives that especially when he's playing right next to Lawrence. When when you got to when you just can't turn protection to a guy like Lawrence and let him deal with things one on one because you have a Gerald mccour that's

getting up that field. That is what made the previous coaching staff successful when they was in their heyday with Tampa Bay, was they was making things having Warren Sap. We never got Warren Sap that Jerald McCoury is not Warren Soap, but he has some of those same tendencies, and maybe he's savvy enough and we can keep him freshen up during the game and he can affect end of games. What else you take from that challenge? You sound like you had a good conversation with him. Yeah,

real energetic guy. He kind of just talking to him. He reminded me of of of a defensive Nate Newton back in the day. He said that he takes football and his craft very very very very very seriously, and

he's dedicated, but he still likes to have fun. And he kind of alluded to you know, fans in the past have sometimes gotten frustrated with him because, um, he in football is football and he takes it very serious, but he also likes to you know, enjoy himself and have fun and you know, have a personality and you know,

but he was basically saying, don't get it twisted. Just because I'm I'm cutting up and having fun and joking around doesn't mean that I don't take the game serious and that you know, I'm I'm putting in the work, I'm doing all of this. So that was one thing that kind of stood out. And another thing that stood out he basically echoed what we've heard about this coaching staff. They're not gonna ask him to try to fit into

a system. They're gonna ask They're gonna ask him to do what he does the best, and that's get up the field and be who he is and not try to make him fit into a you know, slote him into something that he's not. So that was that was encouraging because not now not only heard that from the coaching staff, but we've also heard it from from players. So I think that was that, you know, those were the kind of the big things that that I took

out of it. He said that he's been talking to Tank, that he's had a relationship with him from a previous pro bowl Um and that you know him and Tank have talked a lot since he's been on the team. Um said, he's basically hasn't been to Dallas yet. He hasn't left Tampa, Um, but he's talked to the coaching staff I think once through virtual meetings. UM. So, yeah, a lot of real encouraging things. I was impressed. He's a real personable guy. UM got five kids helping them

home school during the day right now. So yeah, I'm excited. But to see what he can do, Man, I'm gonna tell you something. We we we have to believe that this coaching staffing that mister Jones, especially defensively and special teams. You you literally saying, hey, man, we believe that y'all

got the right guys. That that's gonna that You're gonna take these guys and fit them into your scheme or a lot of these guys to play within your scheme and flourish because, like Jesse said earlier, by this thing being virtual, by offenses being a tick slore and getting into a groove and building a unity and being on the same page, and with Dak's sitting out of all these virtual things, which I don't really don't believe that. I really don't believe. So here we go. Yeah, I

don't believe Dak's sitting out. Dad's too smart for that. He he made out uh be on them when everybody else on there but Dak gonna look at that thing here. I just believe that in him. All right. The last question before before we get out of here, this was a male bad question this week. Uh start with you, Jesse, who do you think he might even pick a couple of guys, two or three guys, one guy, whatever you

want to do. Who do you think has the potential with this new coaching staff to to have a breakout season the show. The first thing that comes to my mind tight end te one Blake Jarwin. He finally gets his opportunity to be te one, doesn't have to look over his shoulder, doesn't have to worry about the gold jacket Hall of Famer stealing any of his reps, or not being able to get the full potential of of practices and games. I think now he has an opportunity

to everything is on him. He gets he gets the number one choice. Think about this. Jason Witten had sixty plus catches last year. Think about it. If you give a guy who's a little bit more athletic, a literally a lot and younger who has a little bit more horsepower in juice in his motor than Jason Wittens. If Blake Jarwin gets sixty five catches this year, I think this is a guy. Sixty five catches for a guy

like Blake Jarwin who has a ton of athleticism. When you see him play, how he break tackles, how he can go up and compete, catch the ball at a high point in indoor contact, and can run. I'm not saying he's running Davis in his prime, but he can run. He can take those eight yard hitch routes, break a tackle and turn them to twenty twenty five thirty yards.

I think he is going to have an opportunity even if he gets If he dohing gets sixty, if he gets forty of those, I mean this is a guy who can have anywhere from six seven eight hundred yards and a boatload of touchdowns, especially in the red zone. He has a chance and I think he will to break out this year. He got a little money in his pocket now, not not worried about all those different things. When my next dollar gonna come from. He's kind of set te one is his deal. He gets all the

first shots. Blake Jarwin is my breakout player for this year. Kurt, who's your guy? Well, I'll take I guess maybe it's just the low hanging fruit, But you hope maybe a guy like Lewis will get a chance. Now. I think in some ways he was overlooked by the previous coaches, some just because of his size. I mean what, he's five ten five of them, maybe the most, and they wanted to you know, they want a big, tall, rangy corners and not just he didn't fit the bill physically,

but he kept coming out big. You know, he seemed to make the big plays when we needed him. He had some turnovers. Maybe this uh regime coaching regime will kind of overlooked the physical aspects of it and just can flat out to see what he does on the field. This might be his opportunity to really step up, especially now you know they they're weak in the secondary. They need some help. Maybe this is a guy that'll get a chance to prove himself and really get a chance

to step up and contribute even more. Nate's here we go back, here we go zegis back Gay your quarterback and at the virtual means, but Zeke is there, baby. So who you gonna lean on? Hey, who you gonna lean on? Who You're gonna get that ball to in the passing game? Who you gonna get that ball to in the running game? Hagel Zeke slash Tony Pollard? Look five running backs to come alive and be positive? Not alive and situational, but alive and positive. You hit me shinning?

Do you hear me? I hear you? And you know what? You know what's funny? I had I have four guys, Blake Jarwin, Jordan Lewis, and I was gonna say Tony Pollard was gonna be my other one because I think this coaching staff is gonna find a way to get him more involved in the offense. I think he's a weapon that they hadn't even scratched the surface on. And we heard when he came in as a rookie, before he even stepped foot on the field, the guys were talking about how fast he got to the next level,

how quick he was. The defensive guys were really impressed with him, and I don't think they've even touched his potential yet, so I think he's a big one. But I'm gonna go with kind of an old dog, and I'm probably it's probably because I personally want the man to do good. But I think I think Tyrone Crawford I'm gonna, I'm gonna say him and the reason why he's had a full off season and half a season

to to to have surgeries and get things right. I know he's he's getting up there for a for a you know, a football player in age, and he's coming off double hip surgery and some other things. Titanium, baby, titanium. Still, if he can get through that, I think I think they I think since the time he got here, with the exception of his rookie year and maybe his second year, they have tried to put him in positions that they needed him to feel and not let him be the

player that he is. And I think with this new coaching staff and everything we've heard is they're gonna they're gonna. This resets the board with Jorge lewis a reset that's the board. For whatever reason, he couldn't get on the field with the old coaching staff if we all thought he should be um, I think this reset. This is gonna reset a lot of guys. They're gonna come in this coaching staff with you know, no you know, no

preconceived notions. They're gonna look at the film, they're gonna look at the player, and they're gonna go, you should be playing, and here's how you should be playing. I hope what they do with Tyrone is, Hey, this is the kind of guy you are. This is how we're gonna use you. We're not gonna try to make you play here or here because we don't have another guy to fill that position. We're gonna let you play to your strengts. So that's I agree with everything every one

of you guys said. And then I'm gonna throw an extra guy in there and say Tyrone Crawford. So that's my that's my course. Zeke Man, Yeah, I think I know. I'm gonna tell y'all. I'm gonna tell y'all some man. Y'all, y'all, you know what, man, I'm gonna knock on your dope one day and you're gonna come back there. Thing is a FedEx fass gonna be Nate Newton. I'm zee. I'm telling you, man, this is what's gonna make this team go man. Zeke baby makes the team. Girl. Zeke has

been the team. Zeke has handed he more carries and who knows who man last year, you don't need more pol I'm gonna tell you something. I'm gonna tell you something. It is not that he's gonna get more carried. It's

this coach gonna know how to use him. Whenever a coach of this nature like coach McCarthy, you say, the coach that just wanted to pass Super Bowl, even a coach with the fournite when they have an elite running back slash with a guy like Tony Poller, this thing is gonna be unreal, especially with Dak maybe said possibly not there are under the virtual deal where he's not being a part of this Who who are you gonna lean on? Who you gonna lean on? I'm telling you now,

you guys better get on board and sign up. Man I Robot, I want you to have a Zeke thing next time you come, have a little package together. Thank you all. Well, we got the draft on Thursday, Tune in seven o'clock. Jamie foxx DeMarcus Ware will be hosting. Cannot wait to get back on the air on Monday to see what all draft picks we got and talk about and grade the draft. Nate, thank you for bringing it as always, Jesse, thanks for I gotta get a shot out. I gotta give a birthday shout out to

my guy Mike peter Don. Hit me up on Twitter his birthday. Happy birthday, Mike peter Don. This is I'm Kenna Zeke. He is I'm Kenna Zeke. No Kurt, glad to hear everything out and doing good. Kurt, you hate Zeke? You hate Zeke? Kurtte Zeke that I robot Kid. Thank you for keeping us on the air. Thanks for chipping in and hell thanks Matt get to get that get that montage together for Zeke you. We will be back

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