Hangin' With The 'Boys: Kavon, Computer, & Chris

Later on, we're gonna have Chris Hall. What's Chris's title, Assistant director of scouting, something like that, scouting big muckety muck in the scouting. All right, we're gonna have a fan call in from none other than computer. He's gonna tell us what he thinks about the team. And in studio, we're missing Nate, but we more than made up for live in studio, Cavan Frasier, what's up, Cav? So, what's up y'all? How y'all doing field? Thanks for joining us? Yeah,

you had no problems. You hadn't been in the studio with us, have you? Nah? This is actually the first time. Yeah, just out of training camp with us, right, yeah? Cool man? What's been happening man? Nothing, just you know, just grinding on the fielding off the field. Yeah, you've been been showing out on special teams a little bit. Yeah, yeah, you know, just just making the most of you know, every chance I get. Yeah, what do you think about the young guys on the team you're talking about, like

like the rookies. Yeah, it's a young guy. Yeah, yeah, I'm still a young guy like rookie and a half right now, right right, right right. No. I love them though. You know, they always come out to eat with us every Thursday. Um, we get we get like a big group of guys just to go out to eat and they always come. So man, I love you know, Rookie, DBS, J J, lou X, Quiz and Cheeto. I love him. You know, we get along really well. Cool, cool, cool week. Any different this week with he's being banged up a

little bit or change anything for you? Yeah yeah, I'm I'm I'm getting a lot more third down reps. I'm rotating in there a little bit more. Um. Yeah, so it's it's a lot different. Actually, Yeah, that's a good thing though. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's a good thing. Not that you know, it's good that Heath is hurt, but

you know, it's more chances for me though. Yeah, I wanted to I wanted to talk to you a little bit about so you and you and Keith Smith have this friendly rivalry going on where you guys tried to raise a little bit of money right right right through social media. Tell us a little bit about that. And then and then I saw on social media where you guys are doing stuff on your days off together, right yeah. Yeah, So the little rivalry was it was actually called the

charity war. So so me and him was competing to raise the most money for different charities. Uh. Keith chose Incarnation House, which um, you know I do a lot of work with. Um, their their homeless chose to shelter for for like high schoolers. You know after school they go there and eat and do their homework and you know, just hang out, watch their clothes. Um. Yeah, So you know, they're a great organization that I do a lot of work with and I go over there and hang out

all the time. Um. And mind was my own foundation called Fraser kerriss Um. You know, Frasier Kiris just benefits children at risk and children without father figure because I grew up without a father figure and my mom, you know, she was doing all she could to to you know, just put food on the table and close on her back. So you know, I just want to do all I can to help up. Yeah, So it sounds like when you're growing up the Boys and Girls Club really played

a big party. Oh yeah, yeah, I definitely do. You know, I do a lot of work with the Boys and Girls Club in Dallas in back in Michigan where I'm from. Yeah. Yeah, growing growing up, I was in the Boys and Girls Club. Um, you know, they basically helped raised me. Um. You know, that's where I first started playing football at in basketball, so you know, they definitely helped raise me. They they

helped keep my grades up and academics up. And yeah, those guys over there, you know in the Michigan Boys and Girls Club was definitely like father figures for for me growing up. But part of Michigan you're from. Grand Rappers okay, also known as gun Rue Rue Yea, what is that like? You know, you hear so much about Detroit and what it's seen as in flats had a lot of trouble with I mean, with its Grand Rappers. Did you kind of face some of that as well?

Oh yeah, it's definitely some bad parts. Uh. Fortunately I lived in one of the bad parts. Grand Rappers is it's like a smaller Detroit at some point. Um, it's definitely more good than bad there though, but you know, we lived in one of the rougher parts and Grand Rappers. Who's your who your buddy, who's your best buddy on the team, who you hang out with outside of where? You know? The answer to that? I know. But oh yeah, to answer your question earlier, Yeah, yeah, on our off day,

we do a lot of work. Like like we go read books, like almost every Monday, almost every off day we get we go read books to different elementary schools in the DFW area. So I was looking at some of the community stuff you do. It's amazing how much work you're doing. That. Yeah, you can find the time to do all that stuff, It's correct. I mean you just you just take it. You know, every little chance

you get. It's just like the football field. You know, every little chance you get, you got to make the most of it. And you know that same in the community, every little chance you get. You know, I want to help change somebody's life. Yeah, that's and that's pretty that's pretty cool. Man. Usually guys don't start doing that and create a foundation and start giving back until they've been in the league three or four or five years. And this is your second year and you actually started last year.

You took a bunch of kids Christmas shopping for shoes, right, yeah, yep, yep. That's an annual thing that we do now starting last year as a rookie. Um, I take kids to under Armour, you know every year. Um, last year I took thirty five kids. This year, I'll take thirty five kids to the North Park under Armour and uh, you know, we'll just do some shopping for Christmas. What made you like what made you want to give back so early in your career, Well, just just basically, you know what I

went through as a child growing up. You know, like I said, my dad wasn't around. He left me and my sister when I was two, and my sister well I was wanting to half and my sister was like three. So um, and we and my mom, she she did a lot to put us in Christian schools and to take take us around playing different sports and stuff like that. But there was other people like in the Christian schools that um that helped us out a lot. So so

they really motivated me to start giving back so early. Yeah, next time you, uh, next time you, Keith go read to to a school or whatever, give me like a day heads up, Okay, we'll follow you and make a video out of it. So everybody don't know what you guys do, because I don't think a lot of people know that that y'all do that, right. Yeah, So I mean I don't know when the next time we're gonna read because we got this, Uh we're a little stretch

right now. Play on Sunday, Thursday, Thursday, so it'll probably be after the second Thursday week that we'll go read on that Monday. Yeah. But I know you did a You've done a lot of just one off things on your own even before the foundation. But now that you've started the foundation, is that there like a whole new game. Is a little bit challenge is actually being a part of your own foundation and running that. Um, it's basically the same, you know, I don't Yeah, it's basically the same.

But I got a plublicist who who do like the dirty work. Yeah, you set everything up now, So so that's like the different part that I have now since I have the foundation, is that you know, I have a platform to to have like people work for me, like like my publicists, and um, we got a few interns in Michigan that if that's working back home setting stuff up for my camps and stuff like that coming this summer. So uh, you know, but other than that,

you know, it's basically the same. Um yeah, it's just basically this is impressive that just the Hurricane Harvey relief and all the water you collected and everything. And here's that's not even our city, you know, or less, it's not Grand Rapids. But you guys really came out for that. Yeah. Yeah, you know that was you know, that was devastating that, um, those people was going through all that. So you know, we just tried to do, you know, as much as

possible to give back and help them out. Um, even if it was just water, you know, we tried to get clothes, water, toilet paper and you know, anything that could help give back. So um, you know, we just tried to take part in little stuff. We don't try to go out of you know, go out of the ordinary, but we try to, uh, you know, do as much as we can to uh to help out and get back just that kind of stuff. Getting water or reading the kids. I mean they gets looks so often. I

mean that's that's important to do. Pretty awesome. What U on the field, what's besides at and T Stadium? What's the your favorite place that you played so far? In my favorite players I played a player so far, it was definitely a Denver stadium. Yeah, you like that Bronco stadium. Man, They just it was just so loud, and you know, the football atmosphere was crazy there. So yeah, it was definitely that stadium. Yeah, it was definitely loud. Did the

altitude mess with you at all? Up there? Personally? I didn't feel like it messed with me. Yeah, but you know, I can't speak for everybody, but personally, I don't think it messed with me. Yeah. That's cool. When you're in it, when you're playing and you've been coming, you've been on defense, filling in you know, every series or every other serious

thing like that. Is it hard to get in the flow that quickly when you're not maybe starting and playing every you know, playing as many snaps as are hard to jump right in or is that help you in some ways because you're a little bit fresher. M is

definitely a challenge. Um, I was just talking to my agent yesterday, or like, yeah, man, it's hard to h to come in and h and just start tackling, you know what I'm saying, when when you haven't been tackling the whole game, you know, it's definitely a challenge, but you know you just like me, I just try to stay ready, to stay ready, so so when my name get caught, I just go out there and try to make a play. Yeah. I know. I read a story that last year is a rookie. I'm sure most rookies

are like this. It's you're you're a little passive, you're not sure, you're trying to feel your way out. And this year it's kind of like your goal is just to be more aggressive. You know, you know the playbook better and all that kind of stuff. Do you kind of feel like you've taken that next next step like that? Yeah, last year, even on like kickoff, I see myself running down or I'm like, man, I know I'm way faster

than that. Like I was more like hesitant and you know, I didn't want to make a mistake and stuff like that. But this year and I'm just you know, boss of the watches everything just full speed. So I'm yeah, I'm just not you know, I'm I still like nobody want to make a mistake. But I'm just not really worried about that. I'm just more worried about just just playing full speed and um, you know, just playing to the

best that I can play. All Right, So we got a minute or so left with cave On, So let's play a game cave on. Oh, let's do it. Let's play. We've never done this before, so we might mess this all up. So we're just gonna ask you rapid fire questions. Kurt will take turns. I go, you go, I go. You guys, I don't have to go questions. I don't either. I have nothing in front of it. It's gonna make this so fun. Okay, well, one of you can ask Nate's default question. No, no, these are rapid fire. This

is gonna be quick, Like what's your favorite color? What's this? What's this? What's this? What's this? Are you ready? Kurt short answers caveon. Nothing complicated, look nervous. No, I'm good. Okay. What's your favorite animal? It's actually a hyena? You know, Like I mean, I grew up just like in Hyaenas because, uh, my my favorite movie is a lion King. Uh that's what everybody knows from my from my social Yeah. So or was that the Simba whatever? Okay, I wonder Yeah

it Swoopy Goldberg's character, wasn't it? Yeah? The hyena? Yeah? Her? And was it cheech Cheech was one of the other voices, Yeah, cheech marin. Yeah. And I just always like the Hyaenas on there. Okay, Kurt, do you miss being a running back you were in high school? No? You like hitting better than getting hit? As I say, do you get to control how you hit people as a running back? You you can't? Like you get hit? And no, I'm good. What's your dream car? Dream car? Ge? Wagon? Wagon? Your turn?

Kurt lay flowing this game? Now? Who's the best dressed? Who's the best dresser on the team? Yeah? Man? In fact, he posted about said about that yesterday, did you Yeah? Everything's everybody else is just racing for second place. What's your favorite part of this facility? The star probably the hot tubs and everything. I spent a lot of time in there, just just chilling in the hot tub. Yeah, you're getting that cold tub often? Yeah, A little bit. I can't you know, I don't know. I don't care

for one. I don't know how y'all do it? Man, Yeah, I used to this and this is the first year that I actually start doing it. Like other than like I used to be like a little sissy about that part of that. All right, last question, Kurt. You you grew up in Michigan, went to college in Michigan. Was a shock moving south to Dallas. H No, it was all good. Yeah, it was all good. Yea, it was still it was a little culture change with the weather

and everything. But you know, other than that, with the weather and then the side of the city because because Grand Rappers isn't like, well any part of Michigan don't have no big cities like this. But other than that, like you know everything, Yeah, how about this weather. It's November sixteenth and it's like seventy five degrees out love it man, Awesome, isn't it in Michigan November sixteen? It's probably like negative two? No, thank you, no hold part

of that. Well, man, we appreciate you coming on the show. I appreciate yo. Keep balling out and hopefully we get you back home before the seasons. Go over it something. Yea, yeah, yeah, thank y'all. All right, yeah, we'll be right back. When hanging with the boys, it can be hard to find the right resource for learning about important financial matters. You search how to build savings, you end up reading about the one weird ingredient from supermarkets that can make you taller.

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I'll let you do the introduction right, So we have a very special guest and a friend from way back of the show, one of the biggest Cowboy fans there is in the world from three to six Mafia Fame Computer. What what is up? Man? It's been too long? How you bat man? It's been too long? Man? I just I get quiet doing football, see you. Yeah, I begged the differ, not according to your Twitter account. Oh yeah, I'll be going off on people all the time. Where

are you? Where are you at right now? Actually I'm a tubolau right now? Okay, how are you feeling, you little? You little banged up? Yeah? I was the correct Tuesday got rammed in from the rear. Never good to get rimmed from the rear, never never even even Tommy johnes all. Are you feeling all right though? Just a little sore. Yeah, I'm a little sore. I gotta go back into the

doctor mark for a follow up. My back that bothering, and I had my arm I was holding the arm risk on the on the lady Ramsa, so so I gotta get all that checked out. I'm cool. We'll tell us how you feeling about this team right now? I've been so down in the dumps. Uh. I got a new girlfriend. H Nate's question and she uh, she uh amazing. But anyway, I'll be quiet. She's like, well, what's wrong? Because this is our first football season with me, so

she really don't know who I am. And uh. And then when we beat k Kansas City, she said, well, y'all one, Uh, you'll be in all be normal this week. I said, we won last week. She said, oh my god, what's wrong with you? You say? You apparently don't watch Cowboys football? Do you? No, she don't. She don't have on clue. I could talk about Zeke Nolla and she's like, what, well, it'll be our ass. No, it's not gonna be all right, And she's just she's sweeting. So I just she just

doesn't understand why I don't be talking much. I'm not talking yes, missing between there and uh I go that back between there and La. Yeah, where's your girl lives? She lives in tuploea poun talks like twenty minutes from my house. Okay, what do you think about that game on Sunday against the Falcons? Well, I wasn't. I was upset about it, but the way everything went down during the game, it just it just bothered me that we went down there. And Uh, I'm not upset with the team.

It just will just just something that just happened to us. Uh. I sometimes I feel like that our team doesn't match the hate that comes some other teams. I think when we play NMC each teams we kind of get up for them and hate them back the same way. But when whenever you the Cowboys play somebody, we're gonna get that team's best shot. Don't matter if they one to fifteen or fifteen to one, they're gonna Everybody wants to

beat the Cowboys, and everybody haste the Cowboys. So I always say it's us against the other thirty one, no matter what. It's not a league where everybody's together. Other team might work together, but ain't nobody trying to help us out because they don't want us on top? You know, that makes it harder every single week. You got a week and then everybody wants to play. Then you have other players that come in, they make a play, and they ain't imitate one of our players celebrations and saw

me this weird. You're not happy where you at? I don't get it. You know, teams want they want to throw up this ex when they make a player or do something, or they want to do this and do that. They just they want to feed themselves, you know, like Zeka just I kind of knew this was gonna happen. We had so much as sense last year. I knew they were gonna try to do something, try to stop. That's the one thing I just can't understand. Why is

the league so against the Cowboys. I just don't understand it. We the ratings are down on every other team, step for the Cowboys, but they still hate I don't get it. I just don't. And the way they treat mister Jones, I don't like that. Man. I couldn't. I couldn't be working for Jerry and be seeing something the people, because they'd be taking me out of handcuffs. Y'all got mister Jona messed up like I take up apologies. It'd be the same way. When's he gonna when's he gonna take

you riding in this helicopter? Oh yeah, he could. I love it, you know, it's just you know, it just it. It hurts me to see how us to go through the same thing everyway. I mean, they they started with the salary cap to stop the Cowboys. Then they came up with the micro irving room, and they came up with the Eric Wegiams rule. Then they came over them rules, you know, and then all the stuff that's happened the past a couple of years, and the dead kids that

fate call. They call them on Butler last year in the playoffs. You know my card, the guy with the rest before the game. I'm like, come on, man, can't you play. I don't mind us losing, but when we're losing to somebody and it's the field is not level, that what bothers me. You know, they don't make us players not it's not a level playing field when we play something. Man, conspiracies dot com the four games and we got a good pass for us, you know, the

whole and they were holding the playoffs. That's why I saw, I saw you retreated gil Brands where twenty six quarters since some offensive lineman's then called for holding against Dallas. Wow, twenty six quarters, that'll get your conspiracy three three Yeah. And then the whole thing with the owners Hay no, Jerry, I mean, come on, man. And my whole problem with the whole thing was zque war when that league investigator said that she felt like no suspension and the witness

testimony when crowd that's all I had to hear. Yeah, and I had to talk to nobody else. They just like, if you go to court and go to trial and the jurors value not get but the prosecuting the job, like, well, we kind of wanted you to go to jes so we're gonna say the agel whatever they had to say. You know, that's that's that's why we hadn't been playing good because that's been really been on the team. He wasn't getting the reps in preseason. So when it came out,

it wasn't altogether. It didn't knel in the back of their head. It just kept going and going, you know, and now you know, it's just I don't know what was gonna do. Who I just don't know what was going who do you think this team, missus is more of an impact not being on the field, tyring Zeke or Shawn Lee. I go Zeke, Shaun Lee then Tyre? Really yes, because teams are skilled of Zeke m you know, just like Cancaid changed their whole defense. You know. Yeah.

I saw a news article to day talked about you know, Chas Green did start two games last year and played well, but we had Zeke in the lineup under yards and so my my observation is that it is like Michael you know, the Cowboys. We never won a game without Mike Irving when he went on the field. We won without Troy, we didn't win without em, and we didn't win without Mike. The reason why we didn't win without

Mike because he was an emotional leader. They gave a team that um and that same thing comes from Zeke. Even though Dak is the leader of the team. Zeke is the Michael Irvan. You know what I'm saying. He'd want to go crazy. That got to be calm and cool because he's a quarterback like Troy Wood and Mike had to be his place, getting everybody clunk, getting everybody to fake. You know what I'm saying. You think he's more of that girl. I think he's more of that

guy than like Dez. You think Zeke's more than Yeah, yeah, I don't up because, uh it's he's more physical. He he's able because we're running team den if Den started out doing his his kids and stuff at the beginning of the game and getting crunk. Yeah, but Zeke is did him? You know Zeke, you know since we were running team he does that right. How did you computer? How did you become a Cowboys fan? My dad say he used to watch games together U and we still

we still do. He gets mad. Now he gets he gets, he gets mad, and I do. He can't watch. You get a real star watching like last season, he watched all the game. Last year, he was cool, but once they started and missed this year, he gets so upset. He came watch he just like I get it from him. So who are who are your your other teams? Who's your NBA team? I don't really When Michael Jordan quick playing basketball, I quick watch really yeah, because I feel

like they don't play hard like Mike did. Good for you. It's not the same. It's a different game now. It seems like, yeah, what about baseball? You watch baseball now? Cardinals? I guess, yeah, No hockey, no college football. I used to watch it, but now I'm sowing to the Cowboys. When I came in, like State was playing Alabama, everybody's missing was going crazy. Yeare you worried about that? Said man, I am not worried about Misses state. You know you're

in Mississippi state, territorial miss I don't know. Well, I'm for the minute from Starfall and thirty five minutes from March the middle of it. But you did in middle you route for state though, right? Yeah? Route was stating for the football, but the girls offers. So were you doing Were you doing cart wheels when they drafted that? Oh yeah, I was going crazy one that hen I said my quarterback fixed would be my quarterback. And see

I knew that when when they drafted that. I said, man, just like they said that, Uh Brandon Lee moving the crow. He said they can't rain forever. I said, not gonna rain for everybody just laughed it because that all that thing that Parcel said about all the things he liked in a quarterback that hit every last one of them.

And he was and he'd been in the sec he didn't been through that fire man at Obama one year, they were just kissing him and they was hitting him, and he was just he just kept on and on and on, and he earned their respect. They would pick him up up, they would pick him off the up off the ground. They hit him because they respected him. I got a funny story. I was in Sam's the other day and I've seen this big old tall due. I said that dude need to be playing on something

about I would deck Thatt and Cowboys stuff. It was Chris Jones, Kansas City. Really, he's you ain't recognize him. Do you ain't gonna speak? And look? I said, oh wow, I said. I thought. I was like, man, who would this big tall? Does he need to be playing some ball somewhere. I didn't know he was that tall because I hadn't seen him since start one. He he doesn't have a he had a growl, he don't have a gross pert since he'd been up there. Yeah, he's a

big he's a big man. I didn't realize how big he was until But who you think, Oh, who do you think the cowboys biggest rival is these days Eagles? I meant about worry about the Eagles, but not worried about Sunday. I mean, I mean they're gonna talk all that nose. I mean they've been on the top of somebody nose. I would go there. I'll be up there like rock. I go up there like uh listen, Tigue just started knocking them all out. Man, they'd run you out of that city if you went up there. Wasn't

not running them about it. It's a gona Mississippi boy. We'll go up there and take that town old. I mean they've been talking so much knows and then Doug Peterson talking all that knows about Dak last year and then over the summer, nobody's brought up none of those comments he said talking about dads had to step in off the bus. He had a good team around him. He's not that good of a quarterback, and dudes better, and dude were drafted the first or second pick in

the draft. He better be better. But I would take Dack over him in the day of the week to me, you know, it's like, to me, he faked that Carson Wentz the kicker make an extra point. He running out in the middle of the field to take the kicker's hand. Come on, man, you just you play? I mean so fake to me. You know, he's a good player, you know. And they and Philadephione that picked him. If Dallas hadn't have been working him out, no way. They were so

worried that Dallas gonna get it. They trade a half day team or whatever they did to get up there, you know. And plus they've had an easier schedule. They only played one team when a winning record, that's it. Yeah, it schedule for them. Yeah, they're about to play another one this this Sunday. And then you know they're the teams that the rest of that schedules three three point eight nine. I was a four point five and Washington actually has a tough schedule the rest of the year

than what all of the teams are. But you know, you know schedule. I mean, we'll see what happened sun is as long as we as long as we show up and fight back. I'm not worried. I'm not worried about I just don't want to buy to quit. Yeah, I don't. I don't think you got any quitters on this team. I don't think they quit. I don't think they quit this past Sunday. I think they just got there. Yeah, But will you say what you want to Well, I just said we were just was we was. We didn't scheme, right.

I think they were thinking about filers. I don't think they weren't even worried about it. Now you think this game was on on the players or the coaching or a little bit of both, a little bit of both. Yeah, because I figure they probably figured we're going in thump uh dump Dell, you know, and then our backs and some of our players backup players need not have the attitude today just like the start us. You gotta you gotta Clo. Now you're not charl League, You're not Zeke.

Come on, now, you gotta play like you got something to polist them instead of playing like you already there a computer quick quick question? Did you watch this when the show started? No, I was in the car you missed, you missed Tavan Fraser totally dancing to the beat of your open music when the show started. Oh was it? Yeah? He was getting with it. He liked be here y'all. Never did give it to Nate to where he could have it by himself, like the words is it? Let

me ask for it? Oh, yeah, that's Douglas. What did he ask for, Douglas? What did Nate ask for? He asked for the beat by itself so we could just let it play without the words. Yeah, I've been looking. I'm gonna find like a like kind of a sleazy seventies bed. Every time Nate asks a player, how's your tell me about your lady friend? Wow? So computer, we we we had our mid season award that we gave out on the show. Uh, last week, let's get yours. Who's your who's your offensive MVP? So far? Oh? I

say the whole office. I give it to all I don't want to leave about it out. What come on? Sound like I sound like Nate. Give everybody Cosse Cowboys every game. I get to that he's been through a lot, all right, give it to him. Yeah, there you go. Okay, defensive MVP so far. Oh, I don't know nobody's I mean, nobody has showed up like we need them to show up. You know you don't think d Laws showing up David, but yeah, but they've been quiet to pay two or

three games. I wanted to show him we need him like last he did get a shot last week. Yeah, second, and then I mean, gett a farmer, knock somebody down. You know, we need David Irving to show up just he needed to be very disrupted. He need to go up the mill on them folds and hit that dude and knock them down. Yeah, they definitely need the defensive line to bring it this week. But about your I like our new cornerbacks. I like how those kids play.

I wouldn't like a lot of people talking about all the wars that left the reason why all those people level wards because they didn't show up in that playoff game. And mister Jones and mister Jones and mister McClay would kind of upset that they didn't show up. You know, it's good to play when everything's going good, but we need them to show up in that playoff game. They gave it Rodder too much time that aut of them

receivers running around like that. I mean, you know, and then they wanted to lead, you know, because those players that left couldn't handle the pressure playing for the Cowboys. They go somewhere else and they played better because it's not the pressure on them to be the man. When you come to Doallas, you gotta be able to all right, you gotta play your position, but then you gotta be able to hand that pressure playing for the Cowboys, and

a lot of players can't hauling it handing it. I think the yances that we got in the draft, they are dogs. I think they can hand that. They're not the light is not blinding them. You know, couldn't Church, couldn't be wood Darren Woodson, you know so, But yeah, well, computer, we gotta let you go because we have another very special guest in the studio with us. Chris Hall is sitting here with Chris, what is what exactly is your title?

I am the assistant director of college scouting. Okay, so we wouldn't kick you off for very many people tell Tim, you haven't need any scouting in the Mississippi. I got worried on all the SEC schools in the surrounding areas. So if he needed anybody to go check himbody out, Holliday Shannon and I go check him out, a GEI little info anything you need. Oh yeah, I got deeper. I got people running around, and I'm telling something now that gut. We signed Candid City that played at Northeast

Community College up there. Oh he's good, he's good him, he said, that's why we signed him. Oh yeah, I know y'all. Y'all did a great job with him. I hadn't had watched him up there at Northeast. Easy, he pretty Tim Bourns like he came out I SEC and went to Miami. Hey, we had pretty good luck the last guy we stole from the Chiefs on the D line. So we'll see where yea y'all do. Yeah, yeah, y'all scout. Y'all doing a great, great, great, great job. I don't

keep y'all bringing in which I've been doing. I've read proud of y'all. We appreciate it. Cowboy Nation got y'all back, appreciate your support. All right, Computer, we'll get y'all into your future. Man, y'all, Man, y'all take care of all right, Go Cowboys. That was Computer of three six Mafia fame, huge Cowboys fan. Have you ever met him, Chris? I have not. No, he's been out the camp a couple of times. Not not really your genre. You're more of

a rocker, right, a little heavier? Yes? Did you know Kurt's a big metal hill? Yes? Okay. If y'all ever been to a concert together, we have been at the same concert, yes, okay several times. What's the both of you? What's the best rock concert you've ever been to? For me, it was Raged against the Machine? Really when and where? It's probably ninety eight ninety nine star Plex. Okay. It was an amazing show. I've never been in a song on the Matrix soundtrack. I don't know they think so.

I've never been in a show that had such just the crowd of just power crazy. It was just you could feel it. It was great, but about just because Kurt was there. It definitely because Kurt was there. Mine was probably the first time I saw Iron Maiden back in nineteen eighty six on the Power Slave tour. Wow. Where was that at? I was at Lake Front Arena in New Orleans. Okay, where are you from? All over the place? Mine is? Probably the coolest concert I've ever

been to was Three Days Grace. They played at back when we were at Valley Ranch. Right up the street. They had a little sports bar right by that gas station. It's an Indian food restaurant at the bottom of the hill when you would come down to Valley Ranch. The guy that owned it was from Canada, and somehow knew those guys from from Canada. And the place only held like one hundred and fifty people, and they were selling ten dollars tickets. Me and my buddy went. It was

so cool. But probably the best show I've ever been to was probably Metallic. Yeah. They played at AC the American Airline Center about six years ago in the round. That was really cool. I couldn't hear for five I was at that one too. Kurt was there too? Were you there? I think I was at that one, but we were. We were both at the recent one. How was that was it good? It was good? I was worried because it was so big they might lose something.

I thought it was good. I was fortunate enough to be stuck down in the snake pit for that one, so whole different perspective on up close I could imagine. I could imagine those guys still bring it too. Yeah, so let's talk some scouting and some football. Kurt, you you're the football stats guy on this on this show, well, I guess I know you're more college guy. But can

we first kind of on the pro scouting side. I mean, I've always wondered, you just signed this kid off the practice squad, how do you have any idea he's any good at this point? I mean, you haven't seen him play in months, right. It's those are the tricky things that want with our pro department and what they do. They do a phenomenal job of of canvassing everybody's practice squad and looking at the few snaps that these guys

may have had in preseason games. I mean, some of these guys might only play twenty thirty snaps in a preseason game, and you've got a college history on him, and you're making judgments over just a very little bit of fourth quarter action in preseason games. So it's kind of tricky. You know, this kid we just signed, He's a big guy who fits the need that we have. We're always looking at defensive lineman. You can never have enough. That's Daniel Ross, yes exactly. And you know, his backgrounds

really interesting. He was a junior college player who went up to Canada for a couple of years and made it through the Texans roster this August and was ended up in Kansas City and there was enough there that our guys saw that thought there was something that he could fit in with with the group of guys that we have, and let coach Marinelli go to work on him. How long have you been with the team? I started with a team back in nineteen ninety, right out of college.

So this is my twenty eighth season with the team. And what exactly, So for people that don't know what you do, how can you kind of give them a fifty thousand foot sure view of it? The basic gist of what I do is help organize all of our college scouting information and get our draft board prepared for all the different things that go into that throughout you know, really starting the May right after the draft is when we start in on the draft process for the next year.

We belong to a scouting service that kind of gives us a springboard list, and we kind of go from there. We do a little bit of work on that over the summer, and then we get into camp and we study our team a little bit to have a better idea where we think we might be short coming up next year, and our scouts start canvas in the road.

In August, we go to training camps and colleges while they're preparing for their season two, and then we spend the entire fall watching college practice, watching games, talking to as many sources as we can at college campuses, and uh, you know, building our building our database, or really shrinking it.

At that point. We start off with, you know, about eight hundred names on that list, and it'll grow to anywhere from eleven to twelve hundred, and ultimately we shrink it back down to about one hundred and fifty to one hundred and seventy guys that we leave on our draft board, and then probably another one hundred and fifty that we would consider as rookie free agents. So the Cowboys were the first organization in the NFL to use computers to harness computers for scouting and draft and you're

now the point man inheriting that tradition. Yeah, a little bit. It's interesting, you know, to see how the Cowboy computer has evolved over the years that I've been here, from an old three eighty six desktop to all the magnificent new stuff that we have in the war room with touch technology and being able to open screens multiple things on one look, and just it's amazing the amount of information that's literally available at your fingertips now. And you're

in the war room on draft day. Rap, what is you have? The years that you've been here for that long period of time, you have bound to have seen some awesome stuff. What is the what is the best story that you're able to tell? Yeah, you're able to tell there's there's the right there able to tell that drop off story quality. We've had some really good ones. One of the I think one of the greatest ones

was back when we maneuvered around for the Roy Williams trade. Um, you know, Jerry was amazingly working three different phones at the same time between Minnesota, Kansas City, and Jacksonville, and he ended up maneuvering getting an extra pick out of it, and we knew who each team was going to take, and the trade came right down to the last minute, and the people on TV thought we passed because we didn't get the deal in on time, and it actually wasn't our pick, and it literary got right down to

the wire and I had to remind Steven that, hey, you got to call the league office and put the trade in since were the ones with the pick. And literally he jumped over the telephone cord. We saw a telephone cords rolling all over the place. He had to jump over the cord and really got the trade in right at the end of the deal. And then that caused all kinds of panic on ESPN. They didn't know who had the pick, if it was Kansas City or Minnesota, and guys were trying to turn cards in and long

and the shorter was. It turned out that I think everybody got the player they wanted in that deal anyway, when it didn't. Something similar happening with Whitton too, where Jerry somehow got the other teams to tell they like they wanted to trade up to get him, and they told him the other you got the other team to reel They were gonna draft wittn or submit. Maybe I'm wrong with that. I don't remember that wasn't that one? Well you would know better than I would, Yeah, it was.

We've had some other interesting ones in there, you know. So it's it's been. It's been a long strange journey into war room, to say at least. Another good one was this year when uh, thanks to somebody back here in the technology room, we ended up getting a our war room phone number was out the wonder on the internet. I think that somebody put a really nice thing on Twitter except our phone number was Yeah, I wonder who that could have been. Well, you're started this for the

technology section. Oh this is not so what It was kind of I mean, we look back and laugh at it now, but we kept getting all these calls in there, and it was, you know, fans basically suggesting what we should be doing, and Jerry and Stephen are always the ones that pick up the phone, and and after a while it was kind of like, Okay, something's fishy. How

are these people getting our number? And we realized that it was out on a Twitter post that we had put of just you know, a nice helmet shot and kind of styling for the room and we quickly got that fixed. Yeah, he did, he did. Luckily, no one lost their job over that. Yeah. I was there when that went down. Yeah, there was some tense moment with its running through the building. Go who the hell runs

the Twitter account? Who runs the Twitter account? Now, I don't know if you guys know this or not, but Jerry had had a pretty good zang back at the end of that. After we got it fixed, he picked up the phone again and acted like somebody had got through again, and and he was kind of stringing us along like there was a trade going on or something. And Steven's trying to figure out what's going on. We're all looking at him like what's up. He just kind

of goes, I'm just messing with it. Was it was fun. Now, Nick, there you go. Nick Eatmon told me a story, and you tell me whether you can tell it or not. He said, you had a really fun story about DeMarco Murray. Yeah. That was for me. That was one of my my I guess, prouder moments in my scouting business, the things that I've been able to be a part of directly

with players. And uh, you know, we had DeMarco had kind of slid down a little bit further, and we saw where he was and we knew his ability and everything. And I was big, big fan of DeMarco's and we still had a couple other running backs that were up on the board at the time, but we had had

DeMarco rated ahead of him. And as sometimes will happen during draft discussions, you start sliding away from how your board might look in there when you're discussing who you might want to pick, or if the players are kind of even. You know, we do a lot of work to get that board put together, and then there's a reason that it's stacked the way it is. And one of my pet peeves is always when we start to slide away from that a little bit. What was kind

of going that way? And I was kind of bristling in my chair, and we'd got Coachwitzer on the phone to talk about him, and Barry did a really good cell job with him too, And I remember Coach Garrett looked over at me and he asked, he said, Okay, is this guy gonna get the tough yards for us? Is he going to score when it's it's January And we're in the metal land ends and we gotta we

got to score a touchdown to win the game. And I can't repeat exactly what I said, but I basically said, give him the ball and running behind that big number seventy seven that we just drafted, and he'll score every time.

Perfect And I had enough. I don't know if that was, you know, the finding thing that made us do it, but it was, you know, I was hot at the time I took him and obviously had you know, the best rushing season in the history that it's kind of the ongoing struggle for y'all, isn't Because the coaches have one thing in mine and the scouts they have their board and they kind of have their own series. Is

it hard to balance sometimes? Well, I'll say this, We've we've done a great job the last few years of really getting together and fostering our relationship with the coaching staff, and we've learned a lot from them. They've learned a lot from us on how we do our work, and I think there's a much bigger appreciation now for how

each one of us work. And over the last few years, under Will mcclay's guidance, we've we've really made a conscious effort to get these two groups together in the spring watch tape together, study together, work players out together, really get to know the guys so that that we have fewer of those well they like him and we don't like him, or we're not quite sure about this guy.

You know, you're always going to have some some indecision, and you're gonna have a scout that likes a guy better than another scout, or you know, there's always gonna there's not gonna be perfect agreement on everybody, but you hope to get everybody as close to the same page and seeing and looking at the same things, and just as importantly how they're going to fit into our roster and how we're going to use the player, and ultimately

that's that's the coach's decision how they do that. So you don't ever want to give the coach as a player that maybe they don't have the same vision for that you do. So you know that that usually ends poorly. As I've seen about the years of twenty five plus years of doing this, you know, when we've had situations

like that, it usually doesn't work out very well. Do you have I'm sure you have each draft, you kind of fall in love with the guy, and you like certain guys that you know you would like to see the team draft for certain reasons or whatever. Do you does that guy follow you so like in your case DeMarco Murray, you really like DeMarco and you kind of made a stand for him. Does that kind of follow you around and people are like, that was Hall's guy? Or is it just kind of like a team effort?

And it's really really, I can't say this enough, it's it's such a team effort. By the time we get to the draft room and where the guys are on the board, there are guys it's not Kurt drafted that guy, or Shannon drafted that guy, or that was Chris's pick. I mean they kind of do that in baseball, don't they, Where the scouts really get more they get credit for

finding a guy. You know, I think so, But I think also if you if you look at baseball, man, you're talking about high school kids and college kids and all ages and years, and there's so many more scouts and it's so much more. A guy's really dependent on finding the guys in his region and then letting the cross checker see him as well, But there's more discovery I think in baseball and probably other sports to hockey soccer.

One of the things we kind of talked a little bit about this past year's football is really the only sport where you don't get to watch these players grow up through high school into college or juniors or whatever

angle they go to. Sometimes, you know, when a junior comes out, we may only have four or five months of exposure to this guy if he just kind of came out of the woodwork, and you've got to get to know all you can about a guy in a four month period, whereas a basketball scout may have seen the kid playing high school, he may have been to five or six of his games, watched him practice eight

to ten times. Same thing with a baseball player, a pitcher, you know, you've probably seen that guy throw ten twelve times before you're going to really get behind him and everything. Well, with us, that's hard to do. Our guys, we may only see a guy play one game, or be on campus a couple of times to see him practice, and that's all just within the scope of less than a year of when you first see him and when when

you have to draft him. Make a decision about who this twenty one or twenty two year old person is. So over over the twenty eight years you've dealt with Jimmy, Barry Parcels. Uh, how are those How are those guys? Oh, Wade can't get any love here? Well, I'm just thinking

about the personality. Garrett can't even get in there. Well, come on, Douglas, And if he wants to go that direction, sure, But I was wanted these the three, you know, big personalities, and how that how they interacted with the scouting department, Um comparatively, Yeah, they were all. They were all very different. Um. You know with Jimmy, he came in with his coaching staff and they had an unbelievable advant two unbelievable advantages

when they got here. We had a boatloaded draft picks and they had recruited the majority of these guys that were going to be in the first few drafts that they had all this ammunition for. So they knew their guys. They were coming into the to the NFL in a different way. Jimmy Prott kind of a different defensive scheme.

The fast, speedy or undersized guys. You know that that wasn't where the game was at the time, and he was able to take chances on players and especially guys that he knew from Miami, you know, the Darren Smiths of the world, Darren Woodson. These guys were undersized players at their positions that could run, and that was the biggest thing back then. It was speed, not size and power, like a lot of what was going on in the

league at the time. But Jimmy had a great, a great dictionary if you will, of what was coming into the league, and we had all those picks. You know, people forget the ones that didn't pan out, or the fact that we traded five of them for Stan's Magala exactly or Dame Safety. There you go. So then you know, when Barry came in, Barry had been out of the game for a little bit and he was just kind of he was a little bit of a caretaker with it,

and he let us do our thing. Larry Layswell was our director of the time, and Larry history with Barry and Jimmy and all of them at the time, and uh, you know, Barry kind of let us do our thing, and the coaches got a little bit more involved at that point in time, and then ironically, when Bill was here, he didn't want the coaches to have anything to do with the draft. Oh real except him, Oh, he wanted to say, And he listened to our guys and our

veteran guys even more so. But you know, he looked at it, whereas, hey, the scouts, they've been following these guys, they're they're supposed to be the experts of this. I'm going to trust their opinion as opposed to a coach who you know, may not be putting his all into it at the time. Now that's not to say what we do now. Our coaches are invested in the process and how we go through the spring with them. So it was different. Bill didn't want them involved. He wanted

them coaching. They were a coach, So that was That was kind of the difference in those three guys. That's interesting because he's so famous for complaining that he didn't get to buy the groceries in New England, and then he walks in and he lets you guys direct them on how to buy the groceries. Oh he still he still was buying groceries. I don't make any don't make any mistake about it. He had his guys, and I think I think Bill was you know, he just didn't

want to draft Terry Glenn up into him. I probably had his eyes on somebody else, you know, just like I mean, you know, there's a big story I won't get into, but I mean we ended up getting both players to Marcus Ware and Marcus Spears, and you know he might elect one more than the other. Oh everybody knows. So, but tell me this, of those two in that draft, where was Aaron Rodgers on everybody's radar? Oh? Man? Um? Because what did he go? Like seven or eight picks

after Spears? Yeah? Because you know he that was the one of the infamous first green room freefall experiences. I think that was broadcast live on TV. And I think he ended up going maybe twenty fourth or twenty six something like that, and the Packers finally pulled the trigger on him, and you know that's about where we had him. I mean, we had a quarterback at the time, I believe, And it just it. Quarterbacks are hard to figure out.

When you've got one, you don't value the guys in the draft as much, it seems, but when you need one, you might put a little bit of air and all to try and find one, because I mean we went a long time, you know, with outfielders and shortstops and third basemen trying to play quarterback here between Troy and Tony when we finally, you know, got the next guy,

and you know that's still work. Like now that you're in the scouting process for next year, do you have it like, well, we're gonna need a linebacker, we're gonna need this, orre you just covering everything right now? Well, you're covering everything right now. You know where your needs are, where you think your needs are going to be, maybe emphasis on another sure, I mean, you know, we feel pretty good about the quarterback that we got right now,

you know, so are we are? We digging deep, deep, deep, deep deep into all these quarterbacks? Maybe not as much as we had been. You know, the year that we drafted Dak and I mean, I'm sure people have heard the story on that now. He wasn't our first choice and I'm glad he was the choice that he ended up being for us, obviously, but you know, we took a look at a lot of other guys that year. He was one of many, and uh, you know, it's worked out well for us. You know things we couldn't

pull off that. Yeah, talking about dak Um, this team hadn't drafted a quarterback for a while. Was did they draft did was that draft? Did they have in mind we're gonna get a quarterback at some point or was it just Okay, we liked this guy, so we're gonna go ahead and get a quarterback. How was that kind

of how did that play out? You know, at the time, you know, we didn't think Tony was going to be gone, so we weren't just completely we we knew he was coming to the final he was round in third base. But sometimes that stretch can last a while before you get all the way home. And you know, we we did a lot of work on Carson once you know we're going to play this week, and Jared goff and and Paxton Lynch and Connor Cook and and dak and

all these other guys that were in there. Jeff driscoll, I mean, we really spent a lot of time working on those guys because we had obviously we had a really high pick and you don't plan on being up there, you know, and that is usually the one spot where you can I mean, obviously nothing's guaranteed, but you've got a better shout at hitting a franchise quarterback up with the first four or five picks. And as an organization, you never want to be in the first four or

five picks. So if you're there and there's franchise worthy quarterbacks that you think are there, regardless of who's on your roster, you got to think about that at that point. And we did a lot of thinking about it, and we did a lot of travel going to get to know these guys, and we were fortunate enough or misfortunate enough if you look at to coaching the Senior Bowl that year and got some extra exposure to these guys.

So all that really helped us at the end. And you know, I certainly don't want to say Dak was an afterthought because there was a lot of work put into Dak Prescott as well. But the fact that he fell down to you know where he did us, you know, the rest of the league kind of had that same yeah look at him too, you know, so you know, you just you get lucky sometimes. What's the biggest change from nineteen ninety to now? You've got all kind of

new technology and stuff. What's the doesn't necessarily have to be technology based. But what's the biggest difference between when you came into the league and what you guys are doing now. Well, technology certainly would be number one. I mean when I first came in, our guys were literally typing reports or handwritten reports, And of course now we have you can write an entire report on your iPhone if you want to. Nowadays with our system, you know, some of the guys use iPads, some of them use

touchscreen computers. The technology of the war room is unbelievable now. Like I've mentioned earlier, I used to have to hut out cardboard cards and magnets, and every time we'd make a change, you'd have to make new ones, and you'd be doing a whole new set the night before the draft. And now everything's digital. Man, I can just slide a guy up and down with a touch of a finger and rearrange things go together. It's are you the only person in the building that knows how to run that board?

I wish I could say yes, but I'm not sure if there's truly anybody in the building that really knows about the board. It's still in progress. I mean, it's it's fascinating technology, and our guys that Dave Birch and Elton and these other guys that work on that, they do a fantastic job of of trying to figure that out and make it. It's going to be a better product next year than it was this past year. We

were just scratching the surface. So we're really excited about if the If the learning curves high enough, people are usually happy to let you continue being the expert at that one thing they don't advise for that there's job security, and that exactly if if you ever take a tour of the Star and no one's in the in the war room, I believe you get to go in there. It's worth it just to see this board. It is legit, wall to wall, side to side, floor to ceiling, and

it's completely touch screen. And you can pull this scouting video up of a guy in college and have ten different ones up and all this other stuff and it

is insane the technologies like Election Night on CNN or something. Yeah, it really is, and you know, and for you know it's and of course you know during draft time it's really live because we've got four other boards in there that are all touch interactive and we can put I mean, just a whole lot of different information up at the same time to you know, to rack our brains on what we're trying to get accomplished in there. So what is what will it take for Chris to be a

regular guest on that? I was just thinking I could talk to Chris all day. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it shows us. Just find a sponsor for me and hey, yeah, it's a free unwear out of the deal to Chris Man, this has been awesome me too. I could go till five or six o'clock tonight, like I don't. I've got so many more questions, but we know you. You have a job to do, Kurt, and I have a job to do, kind of, they tell us. Thank goodness, I

still have a job after after draft day. So well, Chris, thanks for coming on man, you've been definitely want to get you on some more before the season's over. Love too, This is awesome, definitely, Kurt, Thanks for showing up, Sir Douglas, thanks for doing whatever you do in that room. Kent, thanks for pushing the button. We will be back tomorrow. We will have Darrow all right, Yes, artists and it

talks some Iron Maiden some rage. Yeah ight, I bet he knows who they are, the artists responsible for ice cream paint job and get big. We'll be in studio with us tomorrow, so we'll talk a little Cowboys football with him and see where that goes. One thirty tomorrow, Hanging with the Boys. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.