Hangin' With The 'Boys: Jonathan Cooper Stops By

We're gonna get right to it. We don't didn't recognize a special guest. Can you tell them who he eels? He is none other than Jonathan Cooper. How are you doing today, Jonathan Coop? Bumping up? Man? Coop? What you go by? You go by Coop? What's your nicknames? Uh? Coop? Jonathan? When I was younger, John John, try to try to stay away. Let it go. You know you podcast in the world seeing John John. Well, we try not to

ask too many football questions on the show. So we're gonna ask a couple, get them out of the way, and then we just really want to get to know who you are, what you're all about, what you like to do, outside of football things like that. Nate's the football guy, all right, and I probably I probably won't even go deep into it, but I will ask you

this right here, and I will make a statement. In your pads you look much bigger and it ain't the black, I promise you because I'm looking at Wow, how much do you way? If you don't mind me asking? Waiting today? At three or four? Three or four? You didn't get fined this? Oh no, no, okay, man, that's a lean mean man. I couldn't walk through the way scale when I was thirty dollars. Do you know? We just get five dollars a pound of to a certain amount. Then

it went web up there. I spent a lot of money. What's the most you ever paid? Five? Man? Probably six seven hundred dollars? Wow? Yeah wait, yeah that was brother. I walked in camp about three seventy five. You know what I'm saying. So, but uh, we're gonna talk about this quickly. Get past it. You came in camp. First of all, this guy was first round pick. Tell us about that first. I'm gonna let you do that. Tell us how you started out? Yeah, where'd you grow up?

Where'd you go to high school. Don't go that something. OK, how you got into this league, man, We're from it, and how you got into it? Attended the University of North Carolina, red shirted, stayed all four and a half years. UH had the potential to leave early with our coaching staff switching over, but promised my parents I get my degree. U twitched to a spread, no huddle, got down to about two eighty, and I feel like it was pro style the first few years. Got down to two eighty.

Showed I can move, I can still pull and move people, but got out of space. UM. Fortunately got drafted in the first round, seventh pick. UM go to the Arizona Cardinals and it was a decently slow start for me, but as a preseason's progressed. I playing some of my best ball. H third preseason game, make it through about the first half. The coach wasn't pleased with the offensive performance, so he tells the starters to go back in and that's when I break my leg. Break my leg the

third preseason game. UM it keeps me out my entire rookie season and then from there. UH, it's been sort of an injury riddle deal. And UH, this within the past year, bounced around to a couple of teams, went to New England. I was starting there touring my playing a fashion and then I end up at Cleveland and then now right now, and so what I'm trying to get to now he was in he's in a he's in a battle right now for for the for the

left guard spot. We can't reveal that to you do the fact that you know Jason Garret got up football season football, But man, glad to have you here, and I wanted people to just know that little factor. What I wanted to really talk about, Kurt was this guy was one of the most highest rated guys coming out of Carolina for he opens running in an open space, getting on block to maintain it, and it kind of slowed them down over the past few years due to

the injuries. Now, how do you feel, man, I see sometime when you get into the second level, you get the real quick then sometimes seems like you struggle it. But do you do you still feel the effects of the lingering of some of the injuries that you had. I don't think that's the case. I think it's a matter of just continuing to progress in the working to understand just just finish the play, finish the block. You know, sometimes it's not about not having the mentality to finish,

it's about positioning yourself so you can finish. If you're glancing off with somebody or not on the right angle, you can't finish them no matter how hard you try. And you can push themself on whatever, but you're not gonna finish them. So I feel like that's one of the benefits here is getting that coaching and critiquing. One of the big things that coach Pollock always says to me,

the footwork matters, The details matter. Is not street ball right, and you know some people get offended, but I realized that I'm seeing improvement and that's the biggest thing, just to be able to do make it look the same. And you know, when there's so much going on the other side of the ball, just if you're doing the same thing, you can handle whatever they're throwing at you. So that's my big thing, just really working on continue to get in those positions so I can finish, Okay,

battling that guard. Lena got it, So, yes, center, is that is that something new for you or you've done it before in the past. I've done it briefly in the past, right right. Uh did it one summer, I believe twenty ten at UNC and I did pretty good at it. But first game against LSU, first time I ever playing. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a load and I don't know at that point if I was mentally ready for it. So there are a couple of plays. I

put my left hand down on the ball so early. Um, so they took me out for a little while, then put me back in in the last quarter and I played some great ball. But for the rest of the season I was left guard, you know. So, I mean they're on professional teams. I've done some snapping, but no, not too much of it. Man, hey man, thank you for having you great you're talking about coach Pollock and some of the techniques and getting all that. You've been

in some different offensive line rooms, different teams. Have you had it's different here? Have you had to learn new techniques? How's it been like for you coming into this room. Uh, you know a lot of people have their own techniques, and um, I've just found that this in this system, if you do what your coach, the other guys around you, they're gonna be doing what their coach, and you will

see the benefit of it. Um even something as small as not rushing to get off a block on the first level, if you fit it right, like you know, I'm thinking, you got to you gotta blow him up off the ball, and then you gotta get to your linebacker where it's here. It's patiently getting there violently, but patiently, and then together you'll move him off the ball. You don't need the necessary initial blow and then you can be patient, let the linebacker the side and then come

off on it. So I mean, just some some little things. That sounds hard to be patient an offensive line. How are you patient on offensive line? It's just a matter of standing your fit on the blocks and the moment that you have to trigger and get off to the second level. It's right now. You want to be right now and have the proper technique done them. See because what he's saying in high school, and I use the running back position in high school, a running back beat.

He's so much better than everybody. So he he know the hole is on off the right tackles, but he don't care if he don't see it right away. He can go anywhere and stretch it. In college, you have to kind of lean towars the hole a little bit more. In the pros, you better be going towards the hole because they thinking you're coming back. You jerked back all

of a sudden. You may cause them and going to a spastic hole and all of a sudden, like, man, why do you need why you didn't give us an opportunity? Now you made that linebacker. Now they don't have a decision on the linebacker. You made it for him. They want to make a decision on that linebacker. They can give you a good, proper lane. Best running backs going to do that and help them look good. I feel left out of that conversation. Lineman't go up, that's right, Yeah,

I mean, so where'd you grow up? Man? I grew up on the East Coast. Woman to North Carolina. Wow, that's nice. Yeah, I love it. Yeah, gonna go back there after football, Lord knows where I'll be. My goal is to have a beach house out there on rights for a beach hurricane standby. I think they're all right. I think they had a little scared maybe a few months ago, but I think they're good to go. That's Michael Jordan's hometown, right it is. That's another guy that

he looked around. Is that guys general Patting? Man? That ain't that? Ain't God? What do you do? Man? You? When I see you around, You're always smiling, You're always laughing. You seem like you have just a cool demeanor. What do you like to do outside of football? What are your hobbies? You know, spend time with friends, family. I'm a I'm a big talker, so I don't I don't spend too much time alone. If I am, I'm calling, calling my brothers, calling my sisters, calling my best friends,

or you know, play some video games. I'm not. I'm not. I'm not a good sports video gamer. It takes it takes too much of the cerebral going on. I'm just like on the tail. So I do like the shoot shooter games and stuff like, that's your favorite shooter game? Oh? Probably call a dude. Okay, you play with any of the other guys on the team, I'm not yet know. There's a couple of gamers on the team, David Irving,

but he played some weird stuff. I believe it. Yeah, you say you don't like to be alone, so that means I know you got some sweethearts somewhere something oddly enough, I do eight favorite questions? Do I do now have a girlfriend? She's a very sweet young lady. Okay, I mean brothers and sisters. Yeah, I'm the youngest of five. Wow, sweet man, I'm the biggest one. Uh my brother who's right above me. He's a tall and skin He's been

the ladies man his whole life. And you know, so he was my hero and he loved sports and I already says he's my number one fan. Everything I know just about well early on stuff he taught me. And I feel like at times, you know, he loves the game so much that after a game, he'll come to me. I'm not, well, how did I do? Because I know he's gonna tell me anyway. I call him coach Cooper. I'm like, how did I do? And he's like, let me start, But you did good? But mind you, he's

a wide receiver. But could you could have played Lord? You could have been more physical here. And I saw this one play and I'm like, okay, Coaching, I gotta ask, though you're a tar heel at heart. Your brother went to NC State, right? I did I do have a brother? Yeah? How did that. How does that work? Um, I mean that's rivalries there, Oh it is. It is one of my best friends from high school. We're still keep in close contact. He went to NC State, so it's a

love hate thing. We both spent a lot of time at each of the other university and had a good time. But I mean, no, I can't stand what was that like playing foot I mean you're in the heart of basketball country there? What was that like playing out of school where basketball is king? I tell you what it was. It was kind of tough sometimes those seasons when you start off four or no and then you have like a for half full or three quarter full stadium, that

was pretty disheartening. Or you got a noon game so people haven't shown up yet. So it was tough. And when I had the opportunity to leave a transfer, I was like, hmm, I wonder what would be like to go to one of these football schools and experienced that. Well, I tell you what, Sunday night at seven thirty, that stadium is not gonna be half full, is gonna be rocking, It's gonna be awesome. We know you're gonna be there. I know you gotta get grow grab lunch, get some

lifts in and stuff. We will get you out of here. But man, we really appreciate you coming on the stream. John think hope. Hopefully we can do it again this season. So we're gonna take a quick break, get Jonathan out of here. When we come back, we're gonna talk some New York Giants and some football. We the entertainment loving people demand the best unlimited wireless planned ever from ATNT. What else do you want? Are you in a corner? Maybe only AT and T offers you unlimited data with

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look forward to talking to him some morrow. Yeah, we'll have to a little bit rush because uh, the season starting a couple of days a few days till game day. I didn't want to keep him in here too long. Wanted them to be able to go eat and get back in there with the media. We'll try to get him. Wait, go back in week the media. Yeah, aren't we all we don't You got the underwear over there, Kurt, Yeah, sure, you know it. Tommy John Underwear is in the league

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you and Shannon in here by yourselves. Well tomorrow, I want to get your opinions on what we think this team is gonna look like record wise. Today, I kind of want to. I want to go over a few individual guys and talk through what each one of you think success this year looks like for them based off of kind of what they've done in the past, kind of what tools they have around them now, and and

what we think going forward. And then we'll talk about what do we think that success looks like for this team. And then I want to get into um some coach Garrett talk and see if what your opinions are on you know, is there a scenario where he's on winds up on the hot seat this year? Or does he get a free pass all year? He can hit him in the face with a shovel and he keeps coming back. Thanks coach Ay, But uh, can I'm just quick analysis? Quick?

Uh not analysimook quick update on the injury report for the Cowboys and the Giants. Can we haven't sent it out today? Yeah, everybody practiced for the Cowboys yesterday except except Hitch Hitchens, right, yeah, everybody you know? So yeah, everybody but Jordan Lewis was limited. Yeah, he was limited, but I'm not speaking anything for him Noway, sir, the only one's out from the Giants for Beckham and Keenan Robinson, the linebacker. Yeah, it'll be interested to see if, hopefully

it'll come on the TV. It came on the TV yesterday while we were on the air, um to see if Beckham practices. He did not practice yesterday. So I haven't heard any word. Have you seen anything, Curt If he's I thought so, let me I don't think he did. Let me double check. Okay, well you looked at you look that up. Let's get into a couple of individual players on the on the cowboy side, Beckham did not participate. Oh that changes things a little bit. He just makes

you worry a little bit. He'll he'll a gamer. I think he'll show up. He'll be out there. Yeah, the big dolls bark Man, Big dolls bar he popping at the end of the chain right now. I'm serious. You said something yesterday about a contract, you know what. I'm hoping that play a big part. And really I'm really hoping it plays a big part, but not not in a positive light. As if it plays in a positive light, we could be a little bit of drama to look

forward to. No practice on Thursday, so I guess that'll be a game time decision that'll drive some fantasy football owners a little nuts. So let's get into individual players. Let's start with with with the man Dak incredible year last year. UM thirty six hundred yards, twenty three touchdowns, four interceptions, two against the Giants, two against the Giants. Fifty percent of his interceptions were against the one or

four point nine quarterback rating. I'm not expecting him to have that great of a year that that to me is one of the weirdest, craziest, most awesome things to witness from a rookie quarterback ever. And I don't see how he can match those numbers. You've got, you have even more tape out on him, you have. You know, they're they're gonna loosen up the offense a little bit, I believe around him, and it's gonna create, you know, opportunities for bigger plays, But I think it's also going

to create opportunities for for more mistakes. I don't think he's gonna have a bad year by any means, But what success for him. Is anything less than what he did last year a failure? Or or does he have to be better than last year for a second year to be successful. We don't think, Kurt. I almost think he has to win. As long as he's winning. Amen, Amen, thank you, Kurt, thank you. That's gonna be his Nate's over here throwing the holy water on Kurt. That's gonna

be how he's judged. I think so. Not stats losses. You know, as long as he's not throwing every two touchdowns the interception, now you don't you don't need that. You don't need thirty five touchdowns sixteen interceptions. I mean, you don't play too many raggedy games, but thirty five touchdowns ten or less? You don't want to win despite of him. Yeah, as long as he's solid, consistent. He

hates to turn and use the term bus driver. But as long as he's not making a bunch of mistakes, I mean not and wins and he's had a good year. And how many games does he have to win for this follow up sophomore season to be considered a success? Does you have to win thirteen games? No games? No? No, the league, the league, the league, automatically makes it where it's gonna be difficult the next year until you proving that you're you're elite. He's just proving that he's good.

Tom Brady's elite, Peyton Manning is elite. Uh. The guy at uh the Saints even though they don't have enough defense that he's elite. It's a difference now. Philip Rivers to me, is elite. You know. They they do numbers regardless of who's on their team. He this kid is just good right now. Being interesting to see the situation running back, how much it might affect him and how he performs. Man, Kurt Man, you should you ain't played no ball. He just listened to the show. Yes, And

that's what it's all about. Man, the things around him, and I tell people to me, he's like Troy Troy. Troy was not He's gonna go out of his way not to throw interception. He was gonna get everybody involved. He didn't change plays unless he truly had to because he wasn't about the numbers and that and that's all that matters, because the numbers will take care of herself.

In a passing league, the numbers were taken, how many yards he threw for last year the beer uh three thousand, six hundred and sixty seven, and he didn't and then he didn't have more attempts he had. His averages chemps was way down compared to the league. Yeah, so uh, he was efficient and he made it happen, and so uh his success is not just predicated on what he can do. I grew with curtain and what other intelligent

people say. It's predicated on what zeke offensive line and Kim and you know what, it really happen if we can get some turnovers and he can go twenty yards thirty yards or forty yards forty five and less yards a couple of times, you know, say over a three game period, if we can have that happen maybe four times where he just had to go forty five yards. When a quarterback can go in the fielding hand it off boomed in its flaxspat booming, hits twenty five yards

touch now, but the world opens up to him. Then let's go on to deaz Dez. We'll go balls out with dead. Let's go balls out with him and missus Jones every time he called him and cost him a little something. That's right. I love buddy. You know what, I was a cash for more now. Two thousan twelve he had thirteen hundred yards. Two thirteen, he had twelve hundred yards. Two fourteen, he had thirteen hundred yards. Twenty fifteen he had four hundred and one. Two sixteen he

had seven hundred and ninety six. I don't feel like Deaz has been completely healthy since two thousand and fourteen, and I feel like this year, I think he's back one hundred percent healthy. I feel like he had back problems. I feel like he had. I don't think that back issue he had whenever he landed weird. I guess I don't remember who that was against a couple of years ago. I think that's been bothering him. I think he This

is just my opinion. I haven't talked to any doctors or anything, but I feel like he's healthy this year, and I think anything south of a thousand yards this year with the running back situation with he's got some help now. You know Beasley stepped up last year. You've got witting, old, reliable, and you know you've got Terrence back, You've got Bryce that can stretch the field. Anything. To me, I'm expecting another thirteen hundred yards season out of death.

And that's my personal opinion. I think anything less than a thousands of disappointment. Where do you, guys, Land and Kurt, if you say for every one of these just win, that's how you measure this is gonna be a boring game with and Dad's. I think Dad's is a better route runner. I think he's more in tune with his quarterback this year. Last year they were hurt, he was hurt, and so they never got to to love on one another. This year here you you you see in practice way

they had a chance to connect and be consistent. Dad to me seemed to have ran better routes and and we saw that in camp a lot. And if you run routes because this kid, unlike Tony, where Tony can improvise a lot hand singers and look at you, this kid demands that you you look at the coverage and uh. And they seemed like Dad's is a little more in tune to that, and he's running better routes. I mean, I don't think everything is gonna be a nine route.

Let's go up in the air for it. I think he's gonna be some you know, like we saw a slant during the preseason, so I mean, come on, let's rock and roll. Now, I'm with you. Which rock and roll? We talked about this before that Yeah, in the preseason that back shoulder face, Yes, sir, he threw that though. I think you could have got him to get that. Yeah. I know, yo yo Joe. That's that's that's a new that's a whole new toolbox that he has this year. Yeah,

and he had last years. What do you think, Kurt? But coach talked about in his press conference today, they asked him about Dez and he said the same thing. I hate to cut you out. We want to know what Kurt, thanks for getting well laying him. I want to know what coach said. Well, he mentioned basically what Nate said that, Um, he's healthy, He's had all offseason.

He was healthy all off season, was able to work, and he's specifically able to work with Dak and build up that um relationship there where they work better together. So he's healthier and he's more in two in this quarterback. I think a thousand yards season and ten touchdowns is definitely doable. I think they need him to do that. If he let's say, the first game. If he can average a touchdown a game, and I'm just throwing something

out here, don't hope with me to this. If he can average a touchdown the game right around anywhere from eighty five to one hundred and ten yards a game, it's over. It's over. They already have to deal with him in certain situations, you know, because they got the Dad's rules on every team, and and and what this game Jenkins, Gnoris Jenkins gonna tell us as Dad's learned anything, because normally when Dad's get up against a top notch upper epstelon corner, he tends to struggle because he gets

into the mental battle. It's not that they stopping him. Is they talking to him? He normally gets off into that. That would tell you a lot, right, that would tell you a lot. The Giants and yeah, Jenkins, he had one catch for eight yards in the first game, right, and one catch for ten yards in the second game. Yeah, And now they give him help, they get jenkings up. Now.

They don't ever think, you know, I used to be like when when Mike used to play and we used to go up to filling they had this big long corner and I liked leeve. Mike, you know, wow, man, your numbers ain't what Nate. They're giving him help in the story. I'm like, well, help, what do you mean? Help you? Mike Irving? You know what I'm saying. But when when you look at the film and you see that safety just easing over there, that quarterback seeing that too,

he and the quarterback is going somewhere else? How much did You've probably been asked this before, but do you see a lot of that Irving and das that inspirational type raw rock guy on the team. He's learning, See, Mike came a little more mature and how to deal with people than Dad's. Dad's his background. Dad's never had to deal with other grown men people that's on his level. And so I think when you know he getting heighted custom he you know, he he motivated himself, but he's

also trying to motivate others. Everybody ain't any responsive to to full out the words and you know, the ms and the ELFs and like man o bro you know and my deal. You know what I'm saying. Yeah, So he's learning that when he go to certain people now he's like, hey, man, we gotta pick it up. We gotta do boom bom boom, boom bom boom. You know he's learning how, you know, how to be that leader job, learning how to talk to people, deal with people, get

people to act a certain Yeah through his action. Now he still has this blow up. Yeah, he'll look at Twitter gom. You know, member of the Young Lady has the ESPN show came at him on the m on the deal about you know, uh, the little racial deal, and how he responded so calmly, right like, you know, how I have a right that you know, you know, to do my thing high do him, you know, talking about standing the anthem. Yeah, so that right there, man. And I went up to see I want him to day, Man,

I like how you handled that? You know I did because normally we knew it. That is what it did two years ago. Sho. He just said some bad things. Man, But you know he looked on to see him. Man, I like, how you handled that? Man with the Young Lady that ship, Well, that's sweet. You know you know what it reminds me of. Reminds me of a guy that used to be really passionate and used to fight all the time as a kid and had raw talent.

And then when he realized that he's a bad enough man that he doesn't have to fight anymore, that I don't have to constantly prove himself, doesn't have to prove himself. He knows who he is. It's calm, right, he's calmed, and you know, usually the quietest one in the rooms, the baddest one. Yeah, I feel like Daz is like, Okay, don't sleep on me this year. Just watch. I'm gonna show you. I'm not gonna tell you about it. Just watch.

He's leaner. You know, he leaned out, looks good. He's leaned out and like he'd done drunk some vinegan water man. It took all the fat out of his body, and he's relied out, relaxed. You know. Mike Irveys looked like dried out. Just look, Mike, Mike, he looked like old crispy piece of bacon. Let's say. In the wide receiver category,

Terrence Williams two thousand, fourteen, let's go twenty thirteen. His uh rookie year, seven hundred and thirty six yards, twenty fourteen, six hundred and twenty one yards, twenty fifteen, eight hundred and forty yards and a lot of people thought last year was going to be his breakout year. He was gonna be a legit, solid one two punch with Deaz and he regretted a little bit. He had five hundred ninety four yards, He had fewer receptions than he did

the year before. Where does he fit in? Does he? I look and this is just my opinion of Nate. You tell me what you think. You've watched a lot of film. I look for Bryce to step up and challenge him for that number two spot at some point in the year. They're a little bit different of a receiver. I know that. I know Bryce is a little bit more of a speech or Terrence is a little bit more of a possession. Guy talked about it the other day. Bryce just needs to catch the ball. If he puts

it together and starts catching the ball. Is Terrence stay your number two? Or does Bryce have a chance to move into that role? Or they two completely different receivers and they are what they are. And see, I was getting ready to say when you said, what do we thought about about Terrence? And the first thing I want to say, tell me how good Bryce Butler does. And that's gonna keep Terrence right where he needs to be

on edge and ready to go. You can like, I can like you to death, I can love you to death, but man, you compete for the same position and your game is stepped up. I know mine got to step up. It's just how it go. And you haven't really heard a lot about Terrence in camp or or priests Eason. He's just been catching the ball, doing his thing, being consistent, and that's not a bad thing being heard from. I don't think in this offense he's the number two receiver.

But to me he's the third or fourth option. I mean, you've got Beasley written and Beasley, they're they're really going to be more of the key components in the offense. I think. And you know Williams Campole in five or seven hundred yards and yeah, you know, yeah, if he could five four had four touchdowns last year, he had eight in twenty fourteen. If he got eight touchdowns this year, I mean, that's to me, that's a great I mean, the averaging about might have had something to do with

the transition from Romo to Dak. Also, I think Romo looked Terrence is way more. Uh just went through that progression to his point when he caught that ball in Seattle and drug his toes on that four down. Romo's like, that's my guy, Yeah, let's go throwing the ball. Terrence has definitely shown flashes of some really great plays. And Terrence caught Romo's final touchdown pass last year. Oh nice little piece of trivias? Is that last year? Last year? Did he play last year that one? That one game

pre season? Was that Philly? Right? Yes, he came in. Oh that's right at the end of the very okay, yeah it was you're right. Sorry, Yeah, it's great. That's a great that's a great trivia point, great trivia point. I was like, what what I was thinking about him being hurt? I was like, he got hurt before the season started. Speed. Let's let's talk about Bryce uh twoy thirteen.

His rookie season, he had one hundred and three one hundred three yards twenty fourteen two hundred and eighty uh skipped to twenty fifteen two hundred and fifty eight yards last year two hundred nineteen yards on sixteen receptions. What do you guys look for him to contribute this year? And it goes back to what Nate said, can he catch the ball. Can he hang on to the ball?

Is he the fastest guy among that group? When we were at camp, we talked to a lot of the guys and it was all my most unanimous that he was one of, if not the fastest guy on the team offense or defense. Can he do more than just sprint down the field on the ball? I think he can. Is in immediate routes, middle to long routes that I

think he can he could run. I don't think the guys that you you know, want to run the short routes because he's not precise in that dude to the fact, maybe because he's tall, or I don't know if he works on it enough. But uh like, like, like we said, Bryce thirty five catches forty maybe at the best, same with him, you know, twenty five thirty catches. Take advantage of all of them, and he'll average around seventeen yards to catch if he take advantage of all of him. Yeah.

He had three touchdowns last season, Yeah, get that from him again, and or brought up, dropped one or two. Should have had a couple more. That's been kind of his um criticism is he's, like you all said, he's hang on the ball. If he does that, Man, where all good things? Where are all these balls come from? We got all these guys balls out balls out balls out right, twenty five balls, twenty balls, thirty five balls. Yeah, that's about right for these guys, you know, because Dad's

gonna see the ball of them should you know. But it's gonna be games with Dad's is really getting double team, so he won't see maybe four or five balls, and that's where they can load up. You know, Beasily gonna get his Because I tell people I've said it from the beginning. If Dad's one hundred percent healthy during the season, I mean one hundred percent, rolling cold, Beasley gonna be lights out because who do you cover? You're gonna cover dads?

You gotta put a guy on Terrence who covers Beasley? That's gonna be a cold bloody killer there. And aren't we hoping that Zeke's gonna get more involved in the passing game? No, hope, my friend, you know, hope you weren't at camp, but he he was. He looked like he looked like a wide out at camp. Some of the catches he was making over the shoulder, like straight

over the back. Look at I mean it was because you look back at the early nineties and Emmett had a ton of receptions and see you know that Jason would like to go back to that kind of thing. Yeah, I mean Jayson would like to go back to the Emmett that would would like to go back to that using that kind of skill set with a running back. I was like, wouldn't you're looking at how many plays a game? You're looking at a minimum sixty five on

this offense here, so six to five? Yeah, And I said, we have her sixty to plays a game, and uh, you play sixty man, boys, there's a lot of plays. There's a lot of plays. Real quickly, go to break, let's move to the defensive side of the ball. Only a couple of guys here. I wanted to get your your opinions on them. We've talked about both of them before on the show. Tyrone Crawford. I think it we all kind of agree if he stays healthy that that's the main factor with him. Um, he's been deemed up

you know for a couple of years now. If he stays healthy, what what is a successful year for him? Is it? Is it? Seven eight sacks? I think he can't get that many. I think he can if he's healthy. You know, he like like you said the other days, the King of almost almost got you true. I've always got the impression that in a perfect world that cowboys would rather have him inside. And so is he a true defensive end that can beat the guy on the

on the edge regularly? Well that I'm predicating a lot off of Paya and Malik if these guys an getting the pressure. I know we missed to real mcclaim because he allowed Malik to flourish last year at a three technique. But if Pie can come in and get that same type pressure and demand that that center has to deal with him. Or we got David Irvin and pass the situations when he get back, you know that they have to deal with these dudes. Yeah, because the quarterbacks they

can't go move up in the pocket. They can't step up in the pocket. When you can't step in the pocket, that that gives you the outside guys a chance to make their money. Yeah, and watch out for Malik because every guy we had on the show pretty much, I think there are three or four guys who's Who's who surprised you the most at camp three or four guys, Malik Malik's really impressed me during camp. That's that's good

because he was impressed last year. Yeah, or at the end of the year, especially last one before we go to break DeMarcus Lawrence. What are we expecting out of him? Ten sacks? He's got to get ten, doesn't he? I don't know. I know he's gotten six or seven before. So well, I think he's a great pass for from the left side. But they got him started at the write, you know, so between him and been a male y and the young guy. So why do you think he's better on the left? I just see him rush better

from that side. Now he gets the quality of the tackle n is. Now, it's the quality of what he does. He seems more fluid coming from the side. Think you think about how you talk on the phone. Do you talk on your left here or you're right here? Because one's more natural. Yeah, coming around one end, you feel more comfort. See a left defensive end in college. I don't know what he was. I'm not sure, you know, but he just looked better. And maybe because that's Tyrone

versus Lyle sus, I could have a little bit. Yeah. Two two fifteen, he had eight sacks, so at least what he had in twenty fifteen, if not more, is what you're saying, double digits, Kurt, Kurt's throwing down double digits. Let's pay some bills, take a break when we get back. What is success for this team record wise? And is there any scenario where a coach Jason Garrett finds himself

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I'm Shannon Gross, Your gross. I am gross Man. You know the jokes I had to live with have a girl's first name, Gross is my last I was always the littlest kid in class. Your parents have it up for your song. Either had to be real funny or try to be tough. You got you got buffed up now and you're a funny dude. Tried to I tried to be funny. I went the funny route. I was not a tough kid. I was a mama's boy. So yeah, here I am here. I am rocking like a hurricane.

What are you guys doing this weekend? Watching football? Yeah? I watched football, y'all watching tonight? Oh yeah, you know some Patriots I watch. I respect Andrew Reid. I like him. I think you should have never leved Philadelphia, but I understand something. You need to change. A lot of things went on personally in his life he needed to change. I like what he does. He maximized. He maximizes his player's ability. Uh. I hate the Patriots, but I love winners. Yeah.

I hate the Patriot of them because they ain't the Cowboys. I heard, Uh, Roger Goodell is going to be at the Patriots game where they're unveiling the Super Bowl banner and all that stuff. I wonder how that's gonna go over. You know what? You know? Wow? The commissioner man, I mean the deals, the sponsorships that he bring in, and then the way he treats the players that helped bring in all this type stuff. I just it's kind of hard. F mean, you know, you notice I don't ever verbally

attack him. I used to, but one of my guys that I really respect gout on to me. John Woody said, you don't do that. You know, he's he's still an authority. But well, it's just hard. He's probably not going to the Hall of Fame like Pete Roselle did. Well you know what if he'll probably go as a visitor. It's just like, you know, that's it. That's such an interesting dynamic because he works for the owners, but yet it seems like he butts heads a lot with the owners.

But he made he's made them so much money since he's been the commissioner. It's hard if you're an owner to you know, when you look at him, Oh man, you know they're renegotiating his contract and that, Yeah, I think they already does where do you He's like, where do you sign? They're like, hey, you're gonna he sign this for you make us some mo money. We have to face someone such an interesting He got danged a little bit by Craft last year. Bradford's owner. He might

good thing this year Bud Jerry. Those are maybe the two most powerful owners in the Morrows, the Rooney's the Joneses. And he's part of the concussion scandal. I mean, I think that was from Taglio Boo to Goodell that era. So that's not going to be good for him, just interesting dynamic all the way around. Let's talk about what a success for the Cowboys? What do they have to do? And I think this is a this is kind of a twofold question. One is what are the expectations of

the fans? What do you have to do? What do you have to achieve to be successful in the eyes of the fans? And then what do you have to be kind of from an an analytical standpoint to be successful? And I think you definitely have to make it to the playoffs to be both of those. I think depending on how you make it to the playoffs, yeah, I think you need to win at least one game in the playoffs for the fans to think somewhat successful NFC championship. So so what was the question for the fans? I

think there's two different standards. There's a there's a fan standard, are what are what are? They're gonna be disappointed if you don't win the Super Bowl either way around. But I feel like even though you lost the first playoff game you played last year, last year, I felt like the fans were happy and satisfied because you had zero expectation when the season started. You were coming in with a rookie quarterback, your franchise quarterback went down, All hope

was lost, you were praying for eight and eight. You wind up making it, getting the first round by anything after that's just gravy. So I feel like the fans expectations last year were way above and beyond anything they could have expected. I feel like this year, you've got to win at least one playoff game, and probably depending on how you lose in the playoffs, whether the fans are disappointed or not. Well, I don't know what the final thing will be, you know, but uh, that's a

good question. Tomorrow. You know, we'll let some of the fans answer that one. Huh, it's good, you know. Yeah, we'll yeah, we'll bring this back to Mars. We take some can we take some calls tomorrow. Man, We'll let some fans answer that. But you know, Kurt, I mean, you're a fan of the Cowboys. I mean, what's your inspectations, baby, we want to hear from YouTube General Patton, Well, yeah, I want them to make at least the NFC Championship.

We've seen this up and down. They have a good year and then they suck and you know, they make the playoffs. I mean, I mean strong for Kurt to use that word. Last two times they made the playoffs, they've been awful the next year just because the injuries or whatever. So they gotta get back into the playoffs. They gotta advance. They got to win a game or two. You know, of course the super Bowl everyone's goal and dream.

But I think anything less than a victory or two in the playoffs is gonna be a disappointment to fans because we've been here before. We want to take that next Patton. Yeah, now I agree with that, and I think the I think if they don't do that, if it has something, if Zeke end up ends up having to serve six games and that has something to do

with it, I think people will be more understanding. But when you go thirteen and three and have home field in the playoffs, and you go one and done like they did last year, like they had done with Romo in two thousand and seven, you know, it's been a long time since they've made a run deep into the playoffs. And the reason you stuck with Dak last year and didn't turn it back over to Romo as you thought, this is the next step, and so it's time to start stepping. I agree. You have you have one of

the best receivers in the game. You have one of, if not the best running backs in the game. You have one of the best quarterbacks in the game. You still have one of it might be one of the oldest, but one of the best tight ends in the game, one of the best slot receivers in the game, and Cole Beasley. If you can best offense, there's no excuses on offense. You know, they're like, what's your excuse. You've got one of, if not the best, at every critical

position on offense. It comes down to me. The defense. If you can get any kind of push out of your your your front seven, you need to top fifteen defense. There you go in you're yea, they get a major category. You need a top fifteen defense. Yeah, they don't, and I don't. They have to be good, you know, just decent even yeah, turnovers. But my my my issue is, well I'm a little bit different. I don't care how to get in the playoffs, wild card winning. I do

not care. Just get there when you when you The challenge for them is they ex stressed on defense. Uh, you're playing a first praise schedule, and people say, yeah, they playing a first prase schedule, and we don't know what the defense is gonna do, and we know they're gonna be stressed in the secondary to these kids grow up, and we're hoping that see, because Nolan Carroll, you know,

he's okay. I mean, it ain't like we got war or somebody from from from Denver, like, oh man, we got to row a ball, you know, Na, we got Nolan Carroll. And I'm not saying that a change of scenery is not good for him, and it may it may take him to the next level. We know that Scandrick can play, and he's full of health, and it made some good plays doing the deal. You know, Uh, Brown missed some time, so we're gonna be challenged Tyron Crawford and so I don't care how they get in

the playoffs, just get in. And then by that time these kids have been on growed up, this defense've been on jail office line will know exactly who we are bar an injury and and uh and then and to me, once the defense grow up, and if we do lose Zeke, it don't matter to me. Then but if the if the defense don't grow up and we lose Zeke. You look and you mentioned, you mentioned the schedule that that's this schedule is no joke. Well, talk to us about it.

Night Beer talked to us about the schu schedule is no joke. Talk to us and you said they're no joke. Run it down to joke. Well, okay, so you know they can't. They come out with the power rankings every week. Well who how they got his rank? Everybody has us around six to eight. Okay. The teams that they have

above us, the majority of them are on our schedule. Um, just pulling up SI here they have the Patriots rank number one, the Packers number two, Steelers number three, the Falcons number four, Seahawks at five, Cowboys at six, and then Kansas City behind them, Raiders behind them, Giants behind them. I was listening to radio show to day it was brought to my attention, and this is the truth. It's two teams that everybody's expecting a lot of and the

offensive lines are not very good. That's the Giants and that's Seattle. I'm not kidding that. They ain't making no sense? Are they basing that solely off what they think the defense they have to carry out. They're thinking that if you score twenty one point, twenty four points, we got you. We can hold with teams down to twenty one. They they really believe that we'll see you. Man. It's almost the opposite of this team. If if the defense is just decent, your offense should be able to carry you.

If your offense they're thinking, if the offense is just decent, can get us twenty one points. The defense can shut down the offense and carry us. But see that, that's where I'm That's where you know. I told people last year, and I tell you you got to have a dominant defense at least six times during the year. You got to because teams are going to equal you offensively. What

travels is defense. And in the league today, where three points is a victor and where a situation of football is key coming down to stretch, we didn't answer that bill, and that killed us against Green Bay. People said, well, that's when that was a hell merry type play. But guess what who went to the next round? Who made the play? Yeah, and who went to the next round. It wasn't a Dallas Cowboys, it was it was Green Bay Packers speaking in the next round, There any scenario

this year that coach Garrett's job is not safe. I don't even think that way. I really don't. I don't. I don't even think that way. You're borrowing trouble on that one, you know. I just I'm in there, Douglas. That's why I said it. So you'd have an opinion. Hey, be on time, Kurt, you want to you're asking me. It is hard to imagine, I mean things, It's hard to imagine that the Joneses would sour on Jason. Yeah, I guess that could have worded in a different way.

Has he earned enough trusb us with this team and he's finally seems like he's built this team or helped build this team with what he calls the right kind of guys, and they've built it with you know, offensive line up front first. This city, they sing it unless he loses the team in some way, if they turn on him. I'm just saying if he if he misses the player, if this team misses the playoffs, if he goes two and fourteen or whatever, that you don't have the hot seat for sure. But it's gonna have to

be some things that go totally wrong. And that's and and and see me. I've been looking at it like, wow, man, we really concrete at our right tackle, if we really sided at our left guard. Last year, we down the defense, we talked about him. We said the offense had to score eighty points a game. Our defense played above and beyond. Once again, that is the challenge that we are ignoring as a as a cowboy nation. We're ignoring. We're gonna take for granted that Rob Marinelli gonna run on the

field and play all the level position. It ain't happening it. Yeah, something would have to happen that's within Jason's control. That's horrible because it's hard and it's hard to imagine that anything like that would happen because he he I mean, I think he's a good head coach. I think he's good at what he does, and he's got a talented team. It's it could go that you could have a catastrophic

season with things out of his control. And I think he's safe and I just wouldn't predict that things within his control would go bad. Even in twenty fifteen when there were four and twelve, I don't think Jason ever lost the room or was no, So I don't think he's I agree, and he's about as safe as any coach out there. Yeah, And it seems like one thing that this team is it's consistent. And I think that's got a lot to do with um Garrett's message and

the way that he's done it. And what I mean by consistent isn't exactly exactly, but it's there's finally some some continuity with this. It's the show's over. I've lost control of the room, have lost control of the room. Let's do this, fellas tomorrow when we come back. Why don't we come back. Let's let's take some calls to yes, yep, we can do it, and then let's all break down what we think this team's record is going to be and how they're gonna finish in the division, and what

we think their season is going to be. That'll be a fun little game. Yes, that worked for you boys? Yeah? Alrighty? Well for Nate Newton, Kurt Daniels, I'm Shannon Gross. We'd like to take our special studio guest, Jonathan John John John John Cooper, don't call him that if you see him, John John's name, called him Net Douglas, Thank you for playing all the right drops today, can't Garrison, Thank you, Kent for pushing the buttons. Kurt, thanks for showing up.

I'm on time. We need to redo that drop now that Kurt's the one day we will be back at you tomorrow. We're coming back at you at one five John again. We'll talk some football. Make sure you watch it tonight. The NFL season kicks off tonight. Boys and girls, We'll see you tomorrow. I'm me John. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.