Hangin' with the Boys: Have They Done Enough?

What got Hey man? What's the old guy that used to come on? And he's had he's much a shadow of It's an old and white m used to have a shadow. He's like and he used to have all these The next episode, Hey, hey, shadow, that was pretty good. Go ahead, Oh my god, like a guy? Wow yeah, let us know what you think of him? So you say, I'm sorry, go ahead off. Okay, you guys are looking good. Jesse got his Hot Boys hat on, Nate's got his uh, his jersey's actually a whole uniform on? What what uniform is?

That game? That was a younger slim nad that's super Bowl. That's that's that's something that y'all don't know about yet. I didn't know you were. I didn't know you were hot boys, Jesse. Yeah, they say hot boys, not just you know, on the field. It's a mentality. They're doing good things in the community right now, So I can wrap it to the hot boys. They keep doing that community. See that Pro Bowl when it used to be real

Pro Bowl, y'all see that? Yeah, okay, nice. Yeah, we need to take a tool one of these shows, Nate will take a tool around your house and see all your not no, you won't not no, no, I don't want picture. No. I was just bow just having a little fun. You can stop with that shot. And I love you, but not that much. Yeah, oh man, all right, let's go. It's been it's been a week since we talk.

I feel like this is becoming the new normal. I think everybody you know, I've talked to a lot of different people through webexes and things like that, UM conference calls, and it feels like everybody's kind of starting to settle in is this is kind of the new normal. So Nate, are you are you getting adjusted to to this being the new normal? For it? Sounds like what's going to

be the next several weeks. Well, Shannon, I'm glad you act said because and I'm quite sure with all you guys, we do my Sunday school classes by by via this way we do my church like we don't our Sunday school classes basically like this what we're doing here, But my church, we just we all tune inside pastor and uh. Then I have a few friends that when they want to wrap at me, you know, I know about face facetiming now and so, which I don't mind doing. But

all know me, I'm a personal guy. When y'all text me a lot of times, you know, I'll go one text and then I'm calling. I like to I like to feel like I'm touching the person, you know. But I'll adapt to whatever way. Man. Because the stories we had before we got on this deal with certain family members and stuff like this, Man, I want to do my part even more now to make sure that everybody

else has a chance to survive. Yeah, Kurt, what have I know You've been really busy with the book, so I don't know if you've gotten to breathe much the last week or so, But are you are you settling into this kind of being the new you know, every day for you. Yeah, it's it's kind of we were talking a little bit earlier Matt and I about how the weekend was, and there ain't much difference now between the weekend and the and the work week. You know,

it's kind of all running together. But yeah, I we're getting used to it. We're you know, trying to trying to get out, trying to stay or you know, walks and things like that, trying to stay active in the house a little bit and get some fresh air. But I wouldn't say we're totally adjusted. I'd love to be back seeing you guys in person, but you know, it

is what it is. We'll make the best of it. Yeah, Jesse, I know you're probably still sore from doing all your push ups, But what do you h are you doing these days to to I guess kind of stay in shape or are you able to get any workouts in? Are you able to get outside? And are you kind of settling into this be the new norm. I hate it. I hate every bit of it. Um one. I hate here. Here's what I really hate it. I hate being told what to do, like you gotta stay in the household,

you gotta do. I ain't being told what to do. I like to go and and and and when I you know, to come and go as I please. But I've been able to you know, hit workouts in and just you know, relaxing, uh, just chill. But this, this, this isn't me like I'm I'm I'm a busy good like I'm always on wing, whether it's with you guys, or at the school or speaking engagement or training guys.

I'm always on the go, always moving. So for me to kind of be sitting uh, you know, isolated and and and to me, this this is we I have to adapt to it. I have to accept it. But I'll shore man, I'll be so glad when this thing is over with. You don't have to like it, right, you have to do it, but you don't have to enjoy doing it. I don't. I don't. I don't shout out to uh wing stop. They were they were going to deliver us wings this morning and we were going

to eat them over. We had some logistical issues. You can all blame it on me, um, but we were we were not able to get the wings delivered this morning. So hopefully we figure something out next week. They are still the sponsor of our show. We still love them very much, and we will at some point have wings together remotely. They told us they told me about you a long time ago, and he'll over promise and hundred delivered every time. I'll tell you, guys, I'll tell you

what you asked. You asked any of those other shows how much free swag they get, And I guarantee you we get ten times more than any of those other shows. So that's true. I do fall short sometimes, but it's not from lack of effort. It's it's usually things outside of my control. Like but all those other shows one hundred percent work for the cowboys, so they can probably walk down and get a lot of the swag themselves. We are kind of a mixed bad group right here.

We're all we're all over the place. We all have a common interest in the common employment for the cowboys, but we're not all one hundred percent employed by the cowboy like those other shows. No, all right, let's get let's get into a little bit of football, and I'm sure, I'm sure by the last segment we will this thing will fall completely off the rails like it usually does, but we'll try to hold it on the rails for the first couple of seconds. You never said, you're all

I'm doing great. Yeah, I'm doing great, man. I'm living sure new place, getting I'm getting settled into your No, I've been telling everybody like, hey, if we can, if we can make it through this the first time living with each other and being around each other twenty four seven, And you can't leave, You can't get mad and go

go down to the bar and have a drink. Like you get mad, you go to the fridge and you get a beer and you sit on the couch next to the person you're bad, So like you can't get away. So we can get through this, like we we can get through anything. But now it's been good. We it actually came in a great time, you know, with us moving able to unpack boxes and um kind of get the apartment in order, and then it gives us time to go get outside and take walks and do things

that we probably normally wouldn't do. And really just honestly, I mean we've we've been together over a year, but just honestly getting to getting to know each other and spend time together, and it's it's it's been, you know, I hate that it's happening. I'm like Jesse, I'm always on the go, Like I cannot stand to sit at the house. But I've found other things to keep me occupied that I normally wouldn't do, you know, like just doing different things that I would normally i'd be playing

video games. I've been trying to take the time that I have instead of doing it on something and wasting like on a video game or something like that, trying to find something constructive and creative to do. So it's and honestly, I am busier with work now than I have been since a season ended. So I've been on conference calls and video calls like non stop with the bunch.

Everybody's got different initiatives going on around the company right now, just trying to figure out a different way to deliver content to our fans and do some things that are out of the box. So it's been it's been super busy, but it's been good. It's been really good. All right. So now all the football. So this was a male bad question that Kurt sent me. M Have the Cowboys done enough in free agency? Are you know? They're still

concerns at cornerback, defensive line, safety, slot receiver. Are are they set up to have a productive draft and just go after I guess best available no matter what position? Do you guys? Start with you, Jesse, because you haven't talked very much and we're already ten minutes into the show, so you're probably ready to roll or what do you think? Have they done enough in free agency? Um? No they haven't.

But here's the thing I want us to be cautious about, like we always want to go after then we always wanted to go you know after the the record out of any that we know across the league, here's what I will said. They've done. They set themselves up for the draft not having to go in and be so they're not. They didn't handicaps something going onto the draft. In years past they had to go on and get you know, a certain guy. That guy wasn't there. Their

whole draft was busted. They've given theirself enough cushion to go onto the draft and say, hey, if this guy's there at seventeen, that that guy's there at seventeen, we could take either or and be Okay, We're not pigeonholed to go in there and getting one guy or one specific position in this year's draft. But I still think

they could addressed some war areas in free agency. But I do believe what these uncertain times that we're in has hindered what they've been able to do because they haven't been able to do medicals, do interviews, just work guys out this physically sit in front of a guy and talk to him and see what he's about. They made some questionable signing this offseason, but they could have done a little bit more. They were kind of like

landing the weeds. But they set the ups up so that they can go into the drive and doesn't they don't have to be pigeonholed of getting one specific position. I believe that not only an unknown with this virus, but an unknown with the coaching staff. They may have worked together all during the offseason, you know, taping games, uh, doing uh little setups for games as though they were

still active coaching. But until we know who they are, until they know who they are with the players that they've gotten in this limited market, I'm just gonna kind of hold be neutral right here. I'm not gonna ride the fence because I think we should have been set up better coming out of last year than we are now. We let a lot of guys get free over the last few years who we should have been talking to and trying to keep in the house, but we didn't.

So right about now, I'm just gonna wait and see how this new coaches staff I'm talking about this defensive coaches staff are owned with the special team coaches staff. I wanted to just see how they put things together, because brothers, y'all know, we just piecemeal right now, That's all it is. We went out and got Poled, we went out and got McCoy. We signed to some dbs, but the dbs are more special team guys than actual cover guys. So I'm in the middle right now. Kurt, Yeah,

I think that. I mean, it depends on how you look at it. And really their free agency is signing their own guys. I mean, they spent big money on Murray. Look at last year with DeMarcus, with Zeke. I mean that's their focus. You know, they haven't signed that I can remember. They haven't signed a big free agent deal since Brandon Carr and that was what six seven years ago something like that, So it's just not their bill. Yeah,

it's not their priority anymore. They want to sign the big car directs to their own people, and I guess that's working out. I mean, you're glad you got Lawrence. I think Zeke long term, you hope works out. Same with the Mario. I mean, there's question marks with all of them, but I don't know if we're going to see a big name come in here anymore. So they're kind of signing guys for depth, kind of filling in holes and with you know, one year deals with like

McCoy or I mean, polding some of these guys. Is it the right way to go. I don't know, but I do think that they are set up at least where they can draft the best player available in that first round and overall that can they make a big difference change the whole scene in one draft. I don't know if they can, but that's kind of the round that been going. The thing is, y'all men, I agree

with it, but it points his way. Everybody has identity, and I'm not saying that Cowboys have a lockdown identity, but we know from the last five years all about our offense. It's all about our offense, and they're still trying to glue together the defense they're gonna try it from. But they're gonna they're gonna have a high bred three four or four three defense with a lot of the

nickel packages in most of the time. But until we get some solid pieces on defense that you can count on besides d Law, you know, this is how it's gonna look. This is how it's gonna look. I mean, we went through it last hit the year before, and it's been it's been about like our winning and losing. It's been every other every other year of success or

none success. So as you go out and would you spend big money on a you know, clown ear or Tremaine Johnson or no, no, no, I'm not saying that this method can't work because Kansas City does this with their defense. Uh, the Ravens up until they drafted that quarterback that they have, they basically did that with their offense. So teams have specific identities and what they believe in and where they spend their money. And I'm not saying that's wrong, But when do we get successful at that?

I mean, Jesse, I mean, how do you feel about that? I mean, because I know you you you a big power offensive guy. Yeah you say five years, I go fifty years. I mean even back when you were playing, this thing was always about offense. You know you you that, Yes, I can't hear you, Jesse, So no, I was saying that, you know, this thing has always been about offense for the Cowboys, that all the big names and the big

money has always been spent on offense. And so when you see a guy like Zeke gets signed, and you see a guy like uh um Amori gets signed, those things, to me, are are are basically what they who they are. They they've they've always been one that's going to sign

the you know, the big names from their teams. They want to they want to have the jersey sales, they want to have uh to be able to play on a big time Sunday and Monday night football games, you need the names to go and do those type of things. But defensively, the thing what this team is is I just truly believe the way that the NFL is going the whole having these you know Ravens or eighty five

bear defenses, those things are long gone. It's all about now, how you can go and get thirty thirty five plus points a game. Please don't argue me with that. We don't have to score thirty plus points a game. I've argued with the guy right that for a year about that, and that came to be true. We're not gonna argue about you gotta score thirty plus points a game to be a contender in this league. Um, you just need you.

Here's what you need for your defense. You need your defense, and that you always kind of go back to this kind of like Kansas City. Um, I just need you to be good enough to get a stop or two when necessary. I don't I don't need world beaters. I don't I don't need the eighty five Bears. I just need you to go out there and get when when it's when it's you know, thirty five thirty, I need you to get a stop. It's in the fourth quarter, we're up thirty five thirty. Here's why I need you

to get a stop. I don't need you to hold a team to fourteen points anymore because we can only score seventeen. No, we're gonna score thirty plus points a game. I just need you in those critical moments before the half, at the end of ball games, when I need you to make a play defense. That's when I need a sack or pass breakup or something that happened or turnover. I need something to happen for the defense I don't need. I don't need the eighty five Bears. I don't need

the two thousand Ravens. I just need a defense good enough that when we're getting those crucial moments that you're not gonna give up the third down on thirty nine, that you're not gonna let the ball get behind you, you know, get behind your head on third and long. I need you when when we're when we're putting that pressure on to get home, get the sack, don't miss the sack. Or when that intercept it hits your hands, catch it, don't drop it, turn your head, deflect it.

That's all I need because I have an offense that's built to score thirty plus points a game. And if they can do that and you can just get us be our biggest problem. We just couldn't get. Stop's gonna stop from needed. And it's been that way for a couple of years. Now. Have they done enough in this free agency to be able to take the U the best available player in the draft or is or is

that or do they still need to go defense. I feel like they're gonna say I have to go defense because that theory that Jared's Jess talking about, That's what I've been preaching. But right before the half, can you get a play right right at the end of the game, can you make a play? Uh, we don't have that playmaker. We beside the Marcus Lawrence, we don't have that guy that we know that can possibly make that play. And so you know, I've been seeing where they they've been

talking about this kid. I'm in Oklahoma, a lot a lot of guys saying he gonna fall to us if they get the guy. I'm not gonna be mad, but that puts even more pressure on our defense. I think to um to make them plays, it's gonna come. What what you think, Jesse about three or four plays a half that you can count on for your defense. Oh boy, that's a nice play. It's just possible game changing. So you still have to get somebody to cover somebody. I don't care what you do, you're gonna have to steal

cover somebody. In cornerbacks at a premium, Uh not so much. Safeties of high bred linebackers and safeties. I had, I had a premium in this draft. I mean, if you can get one, you you're going in the right direction. It's gonna be interesting to see if they I think that they can do best available on defense. I mean they're set up for that because they got so many holes they need to feel. But I think you're were you're talking about the wide receiver in Oklahoma, Lamb. I

think was that who you were talking about? They just surely you surely they wouldn't go for a receiver in the first round, would they? And now I'm just saying those the national guys talking about food ass. But you know, if they come up with an offensive guy, I mean, would you be totally shocked? You know? So you know, let me don't ask you this, Nate. If you do that, if you can score thirty five thirty thirty five points

a game, is that okay? If that's how you're you're building, if that's how you're gonna if that's how you're gonna win. See one thing you gotta like about when you look at Kansas City as much as they throw the ball, as much as we talk about my homes every week, y'all heard me say Did you see how many yards this quarterback ran far? Did you see how they closed the game out with that running back? Running Backs are closers.

Quarterbacks are everything A plus a closer. He like you tell Cy Young Award winner, they can do it all. They can pitch six seven, shoutout in it, or they can go to distance, go nine and close it out. That's what Mahomes is. He can run the ball. He ran the ball on the average and maybe fifty fifty yards a game. Just stay enough to keep everybody in their past lanes in them. Dak and then Dak is not this kid, but Dak has some of those traits.

Dak used to be a closer. Last year things went a little haywire, and he wants that consistent closer that we look for. But if Dad can get back to his old winning ways or being calful with the ball as well as getting it down feel like he did this year, and just running a little more when allowed, maybe we'll have to do it thirty five points a game. I have no problem with that. All I want is wins. But your defense do have to play a part, all right, Let's get to our first break when we come back.

So many things to talk about Aldan Smith, Rex Ryan talking about Amari Cooper. I'm really interested to get Jesse stops. I think I know what direction he's gonna go with this. And I'm so so glad that I don't have access to the locker room after we had that conversation, because I have a feeling I would feel really uncomfortable in there. But we'll get to all those things and more when

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working on a couple of things. You've been working on this the sixtieth anniversary book which everybody will get to see that before too terribly much longer, and you just put to bed recently and also yeah yet again, draft guy. Tell everybody just what you just got a draft guard done. I don't know if you can see that it might be reversed in Yeah, they're get you ready for the draft. Cowboys.

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Who all? Pretty much all of our writers? Nick David Hellman's kind of the lead guy draftwise, Um, Rob Phillips, Mickey was involved. It's it's a team effort. Michael Villereal a graphics guy. We really did some different things with the graphics this year, and he played a big role in that. So it's it takes a lot to put it all together. They did a great work. Awesome, awesome. All right, I'm just gonna jump right in this. I was gonna I was gonna get to it later, but

I will. I cannot wait to hear what Jesse has to say about this? Uh, Rex Ryan on what show was he on? Kurt? I was one of the ESPN shows. I'm not sure which which one thing's gonna get up. Um. I had some things to say about Amari Cooper and basically, Jesse, you know what, you know what he said, Tell everybody what he said, tell us your thoughts on it. I can't wait. Well, like anything, the Cowboys are always on

the A block of everyone's programming. And so they were talking about the Mary Cooper signing he had just you know, you know, recently signed for one hundred million dollars. And the question that was passed around the table was was he worth it? You know, was signing a Mary Coop worth it? You know you haven't got Dak signed. Was the signing worth it? And they went around and they finally got to old Rex Ryan. Now Here's where what

I don't have a problem with. Just like us, they pay these people to get on TV to analyze and

at times be critical of someone's game. And Rex Ryan talked about how Maria Cooper disappeared in games, called him a disappearing act and uh, and some may believe that, and you know, say that he had, you know, issues with you know, cutting off routes, and had an issue with him not being in the fourth quarter on that fourth down play, with the game on the line of season, on the line of him not being down and in the game on that fourth fourth downplay. I have no

problem with those things. Here's where I have a problem with Rex Ryan. When you begin to call a man out of his name, now, Rex Ryan, then we'll be going to say that I wouldn't pay that turd a dime. Basically saying a cleaned up version is I wouldn't pay that piece of bleep a dime. That's that's when you lose me. When you come out another man and you call him out of his name, That right there is when you cross the line. There has to be a

level of respect that is given across the board. You may not like me, you may not like my game, you may not like what I've done in the field, But when you begin to say things personally, my mother didn't name me turd. Mary's mother didn't name him turd. So you can have all the ill will feelings you want about how his game is, or how he plays his game, or what he'd done on the field. But when you begin to call a man out of his name, that's when you cross the line from me. That's when

it becomes way unprofessional. That's when it comes. As we like to say, the young people like to say, that's when you got to see these hands, because that's uncalled for it. And I'm all, i'm I'm I don't like people who don't put you know, one who don't put their name on stuff. And then the second thing is, I don't like people. Rex would never say that to a Maria Cooper's face. He can get on TV all he want and try to talk all tough and brash

and all that kind of stuff. But if a Maria was standing six feet were practicing social distancing, if a Maria was standing six feet away from Rex Ryan, he would have never called him a turd to his face. And I have a real big problem with that man. And then and then you come give, you know, a half apology on TV. And ESPN is at fault for this as well, because why make why make Rex Ryan apologize when ESPN you're the one who cut the audience.

Put it on, get up, put it on on social media for all of us to view it so you were you were playing an even bigger part than this. As the company, you should have had more coouth and had more uh respect for your brand. And for Marie Cooper to not even cut that up and to put it out on social media, I mean ESPN and Rex Ryan all across the board that they showed very little respectful Marie. They showed very little couth, They showed very

little just everything. And to me that that's unacceptable. And if I was a Mari what I'm not He's not me, I'm not him. If I ever came across Rex Ryan, he and I would have to have a real serious conversation they was that surprising for you to hear from a former coach to to to speak like that about about a player? Or is that you know? I heard when I compadres when guys, uh that works, and I feel said sound like he was very unprepared and he ran out of words and so we got to see

the real Rex Ryan. So like, uh so we got to see the real Rex. So now that's what you feel, and I'm with you just a hundred percent. And that's all I have to say on that, because that's one of the things I think Brad sham for because I used to be out there kind of talking ill of players, kind of calling him out of the names and stuff like that, and and Brad looked at me like, what are you doing? You know, it's hard to tell to show us what is wrong, and it's on film through

expression of your your vocabulary. But to just call a man out of his name. You don't know this man personally, I mean, so you know, keep it professional. Tell us what he what's you know? Yeah, he breaks off his routes. Yeah he disappeared in a few games. Yeah he was not and there in the fourth quarter. We know that. Tell us why this happened, give us a little more insight. But to just call all the amount of his name, you know, especially if this man was to confront you

about it, knee, you got no apologize. Now you got to buy down with your tail between your legs. And you don't want to be put in that position as a man, you know, forcing another man to come to you in that in that in that way. So I agree with you, Jess. Yeah, and Jesse, you and you and Nate both know this. Players, players, I mean, this is their job and it's just like anybody else in

their job. When you know, sometimes your boss, which is your coach or your position coach, sometimes they have to they have to call you out a little bit, or they have to push you, or they have to, you know, it's their job coming after a game and point out where, you know, where you didn't perform well, right, So they're

used to that and they'll sit down. And I've seen this happen on the team plane flying back from games where somebody, you know, whether it's a Nick Eatman or you know, Rob Phillips or someone, they'll stop a player as they're walking back to the player's section and they'll say, hey, what happened on this play? And the players know, and they're forthcoming and honest, and they'll say, I missed my assignment or I did this, or this is what I

thought was happening, and this is why that happened. So they're used to being criticized, they're used to being called out. They're used to and they'll and they'll, you know, they appreciate the honesty because they know the media has a job to do. But I think you guys are right when it's you know, when you start attacking someone's character, or you start attacking you know, someone's name or something

like that. Talk about the football stuff all you want, but once it crosses that line to where you're you know, you're you're calling out names, I think that's probably where the issue is with this thing, because you can have the opinion of him not being worth the money, but once you start going down that other route, that's that's when it kind of loses me as well. So that's

the biggest thing. Man, it's it's it's respect. It's it's having respect and as a man, as a man, that should always be li number one when dealing with another man, like there has to be a level of respect that is there. And when that respect line is broken, then then you no longer see me as a man. You see me less than that. And if you see me less than that, then I have to I have to address and I have to handle you differently. But there should always be a level of respect, expectingly when you're

talking about being on national TV. If if you can't handle yourself in a respectful, appropriate manner, then they need to find someone else to do that job. This isn't This isn't This isn't where you can just go and just say this stuff willy nilly, because there are consequences for that. There are other people on the other end of your comments that have to receive that, and how they receive that can can ultimately be not in the

best interest or best favor for you. That's all the things most players, and as a as a former player, I had no problem with anyone criticizing my game, criticizing my talent. I had no problem with that. That's what they that's what they pay you to do. They pay you to analyze and to criticize. I have no problem with that. The only problem I will ever have with anyone, anyone, is when you don't treat me with the respect that

I deserve as a man. And my mother didn't name me anything other than Jesse Holly, So when you begin to call me other things than that, that's when you and I have a problem. I can't call it Jess, I can't call you mister fourth and long in the mong you only you, though, only you, only you, only you by would change that Twitter handle. Then, Jesse, how do you think Amara is going to handle this? As far as you know, with new contracts, with big contracts

come big expectations. He's gonna get criticized more. Do you think he's gonna handle it all right? Do you think he's gonna step up? Are we gonna see more from his game? Remember Mari, when he came over from Oakland, he was criticized. They said they didn't love football. They said, they said the same thing that we're here now. I didn't love football. They said that. You know, he was

someone who didn't always show up all the time. When you're a player like Amari Cooper, when you go to you know you're the top players in the country, and you go to the Alabamas, you're so used to being criticized. You this is This isn't the first time a Mari has heard criticism. This isn't the first time a Mari has been negati things have been said about him. I mean, go back to high school. I'm pretty sure, Kurt. If you dug up some high school articles, you can find something.

If you dug up some college articles, you can find something. I would love to see. What is uh if you look at his um You know, Kurt, you're doing the draft stuff now. They always have these draft boards and everybody has the pros and cons of what this player is, what he'll be at the next level. I'm pretty sure there's a bunch of criticism in there. So for a Mari, this isn't the first time he's heard criticism. It won't be the last time he's heard criticism, and he'll take

it like he's always done, with grace, with class. He's not a guy who's gonna come back and be vocal and be loquacious and what is the thing that he says and be you know, shot shooting shots back at Rex. Ryan mar is gonna say, hey, man, it is what it is. They call me mister Cooper. When I go into the bank, they called me mister They call me mister Cooper when I go into Wolfs Fargo, b of A or Chase or whatever. Those hundred million dollars that he'll put in the bank wherever they go. I promise

you they don't call him a turn in there. I promise you. They call him mister Cooper and he gets first class service when he goes into the bank. So, dude, as players, you don't have to name names whatever, but as players, did you have teammates that you saw criticism get to him or anything, or do most guys able to shake that over. Oh yeah, let me say this, Curt, let me say this right here. Only the elite get criticized. Everybody else has just lumped together. I'm I'm being honest.

I mean, mar has been elite on every level he's played. Now, whether he's been consistent with that elite list that, you may can criticize that, but elite, route runner, elite, speed, elite coming out of breaks, elite knowing his plays and knowing where to go. Now you may have questioned some of those desires that time, some of that will that time, but he's elite. Believe that he is elite. That's why he's being criticized. And he he's a different cat too, man.

He's he's especially at the and you know this first hand, Jesse at the wide receiver position. That's a lot of a lot of people are you know me me me, and really flamboyant and really out there. And he's you know, he's a very thoughtful guy. And he doesn't talk a lot, but when he talks, it's very calculated and it's very you know, it's very thought out, and he thinks about everything and he'll you know, he stops and he pauses

and he thinks. So if he puts something out there and that's you know, you know he he did he disappear in a few games this year. Yeah, he was taken out of a few games. But I would and I don't know this off the top of my head, but Kurt Ben, this is something you have come across. But I'd like to see you're DeAndre Hopkins, You're Julio Jones. Are they taken out of a two or three games, a couple of games, one or two games a year

where they only have one catch or two catches? And is it maybe just emphasize more because he's on the Cowboys and he is so quiet and he's not outspoken and he doesn't let things bother him. If it's made more of a bigger deal, or if if that's really kind of an issue with him as he's able to be taken out of games, I don't I don't know

the answer to that. I think stats. I think with those other guys, if you play this position, if you play any position, running back, quarterback, whatever it is, if you're if you're you think deons centers, never anyone, no one that ever had a hundred yard receiving game on him. Yes they have. Do you think you know you think Michael Irvin. Do you think Julio Jones has never had a game where they didn't have over fifty yards? Yes?

They have. You ever think Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers had never had games where they just had flat out bad games, multiple interceptions. Yes, they have running backs being Walter Payton, Ima Smith, Zeke Elliott have bad Yes, everyone everyone has them. The biggest thing this is just to me that sticks out with a Maori and his criticism is his history of him quote unquote, I don't believe this quote unquote not loving football and disappearing and not having a love for the game. And you see him

not come back in on fourth down. That's the one part because every other receiver you name it, Nate, you think Michael Irvin is not going to be on the on the biggest game of the season, in the fourth quarter game on the line and it's fourth down and they're doing a passing play. You think Michael Ivan would allowed anyone to keep him on the sideline if he wasn't hurt. No, And that goes and that goes across the board. You could Michael Irvin or Dell Beckham, Julio Jones,

Denandre Hopkins. It's those little plays that happened throughout the course of his season or his career. And you couple that with people saying that he doesn't love football, and you can start piecing things together that makes it look like, you know what, maybe this dude really doesn't love football because he let someone keep him on the sideline in the fourth quarter on fourth down on a pass the situation in the biggest game of the season. Most guys

and then and then didn't fuss about it. It's one thing if he was saying, like, man, you see him on the sidelines, hooting and hollering and yelling, and you're saying, okay, he cared. But when he's when you see him on the sideline just standing there like with the with the with the with the with the puppy dog phase, you're just like, oh, he don't. He don't really care because he's just standing on the sideline like it's okay, right.

But that was I guess that was my point is he's he's a different cat, and he he doesn't seem confrontational and he doesn't seem like it's kind of like it almost seems like, hey, that's what they told me to do, so that's what I did. It's not that he doesn't care, he's just not the kind of guy. Maybe that makes a three a lot of things right, and it's not gonna go get in somebody's face and be like I need to be in there, Like maybe he's that guy that's like, that's the coach, that's what

they told me to do. That's what I did, So I don't. Let's just let's just see what this year brain. Let's see what a new coaching style, a new way of doing things, Let's see what that brings. Uh, maybe these guys can we try to bring something different out of Mary He's seen he signed a team friendly deal. The cat said he wanted to be here. The Cowboys felt that they need to be here. And one thing we can say whatever we want and Jesse yours test it is whenever he lines up on the field, he

makes everybody else job a little bit easy. Hey man, every everything we've said, good or not good, when he lines up, he dictate coverage. Yeah, when you got a guy to dictate coverage, that mean he's a number one wrong, right, jess Amen amen, and you see what happens when he's not on the field the Jets. What happened in that game. I mean, I think he's a game changer. So all right, let's take another quick break before Matt I'm Matt Robot

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let's talk some Alan Smith. What uh Kurt? Start with you? What what do you think when you heard the signing? I mean, hasn't been in the league in a while, He's had some some issues in the past, was a beast whenever you know he was at the top of his game. Um, you think it's good. It's it's obviously a project or an experience to what a one deal. What are your thoughts on it? Well, it's it seems

like a risk a little bit. Um. I guess they got nothing to lose with him and not paying him a whole lot if he does make it, if he can somehow return to his old form and be a huge bonus. But you know he's gonna be thirty years old at and played since twenty fifteen, it seems like a long shot. Yeah, it's kind of a It kind of brings back memories of a Rolando McLean. If you can get him in here for a year and you know, get that type of play out of him, I guess

is it worth it? Jesse? Would you think whatever you you heard about it? I guess the voice of reason and the hater of the show. I hated it. I hated it. I hated everything about it. And well, I know a lot of people are saying the money part, Oh well they got him for cheap. Oh well, they got them for cheap. And my hate has nothing to do with the money. I don't care what they paid them. My thing is is that you trust. You can't trust this guy. This isn't a guy that you can trust.

His whole adult life. He's had issues with the law his entire adult life. He's had issues with the law, and now right even just this last summer. And I know people are saying, oh, well, Jesse, you know he You know, as the Christian man, you should be able to forgive. I have no problem with forgiving. I just don't want him on my team because you haven't played football in over four years. And four years and just

eight months ago you decide to go get help. And now I'm supposed to believe, after having a history, a lifelong history of having trouble with the authorities, that in eight months you have been fixed. And I know what it is to be a Dallas cowboy. Nate knows what it is to be a Dallas cowboy. Kurt Shannon, you guys know what it is to be a Dallas cowboy. When you are in this city, on this team, you are treated like a god. You are held well above report.

I mean you, you are up here. And so now, okay, we got lean, we got lean it rules now on marijuana. So I just look at this thing. Is you signed a guy who, if we're being honest right now, he's probably your day one starter at right defensive end because we don't have another defensive end. You know, on Tyrone Crawford, there's an all the defensive end. You lost Robert Quentin'. He's gonna start at your right defensive end. So now you're putting a level of a premium level of importance

on a guy who you cannot trust. And so once he starts getting those reps and start getting those plays, and he may have some success. I hope he has some success. But what happens if he decides to go on and get another du by because he doesn't know the rules of how Dallas works. He you know, we've all been on that tollway after twelve o'clock, and I know the three limits at seventy five, but we all know we don't go seventy five and drinking and driving.

Here's another d UI can get itself hurt, get other people hurt. I just don't like guys that I cannot depend on. Football is a dependent sport. I need to know the guy to my left and to my right is going to be there when I need him most. This is a guy that I just can't trust. I don't want in the foxhole with me because his history says he's not gonna be there when I need him

the most. Nate, Please, if it's a DIVISIVN in the draft that falls us that can help us win games, or do you think that can make an impact quickly in our season and early in our season, draft that guy. Draft that guy. I believe in second chances, but he should have he should have no impact or who we draft and when we draft him. And these guys that we bring in should have equal reps to what we to Alton Smith and good bad indifference. This this should

this should be totally a wild card. Something you got behind your back. You know, if he give anything, he give it. If he don't give it, that's fine. He ain't affecting that because this team has enough wild cards as it is, and our whole defensive coaching staff as a wild card. Trying to put this team together with pol mccour all. This thing is a wild card. You just added a bigger wild card. And Aldon Smith, if a dive is a man fall to us, please draft him.

And Dallas is also a place where um to steal a phrase from from from Mike Fisher is fifty two brands. Everybody has a brand. If you're a cowboy, you got a brand. You got a brand. And so when I'm looking because championship teams, yes they have talented people, Yes they have talented coaches, but they look at every championship team in any sport, I don't care what level it is, if they are a championship team, there is a level of of of of chemistry and camaraderie that is that

has had amongst the team. Not offense, defense, not linebackers, wide receivers. I'm talking about a sense of community in the team. And this is the one team when you look at Dallas. Yes, there are clicks there, there are are are pieces that are together. I don't know if the chemistry is all the way there and then you drop this, you drop this piece right in the middle of it and sidebar. I keep saying this. Be nice to your coaches. There'll be the reason why you have

a job or not. John Jim tom Sula was the head coach for the Niners when they had Alden Smith. I know that Mike McCarthy, they you know, had interest in all the Smith. But it was Jim tom Sula who was kind of saying, this guy can really go always be nice to your coaches. But you drop this guy into the mix, and I don't know if this team has a good enough chemistry, a solid enough chemistry to be able to take on all the different type of uncertain personalities. I just I just did not like

this signing for for our team. It just it just lends itself for chaos in November and December when we need it, when we need these players to be here the most. Are they setting themselves up for kind of a false sense of security because they've they've now had signed three kind of known guys for that defensive line and in McCoy, Po and now Smith. But all of them thirty years old, all of them are are come

a question marks. You don't know if any of them I mean surely, like you said, Nate, they'll still go after a defensive end if they have it. There Uh, two known quantities. Pole can still play, Jerald McCoy still got some meat on the bone. Kind of thirty years old. I don't know the thirty years old, but these guys come off injury. You have to this. They're using this free agency to fill in to stop gap a couple

of these guys. Pole and McCoy is basically stop gap guys because if they if you take away Pole and McCoy, then your defense has to be totally independent on the draft if you take away those shoe guys, and this is no way in the world you can draft anything offensively. It's no in the world. It shouldn't be anyway. I think if they got seven picks, six something should be all defense, you know. And I know that's a little overboard, but you know it's extreme times called for extreme measures.

Pole and McCoy. I understand those are normal commodities. They would play well for you. They may not be outstanding. They may have one or two games where they may not even show up, but they may have three or four games where they're gonna show up and be consistent. But Aldon Smith, you know, that's unknown to me. That's why I say when when when they look at Devinsiven, they can't look over it and said, well we got

Alton Smith. They got to say that we got drafted this guy because he's the best survailable Jesse, how do you feel about the defensive line right as it stands, right now before the draft are you Are you okay with it? Or you not okay with it? Or you I'm okay with it. I'm okay with it. For the fact of the matter is that they've addressed some issues

that we've had in the middle. I think the biggest thing for this defense is how do we get are you are two year young stud linebackers back to playing Pro Bowl, top level football, and the biggest thing they had a problem with last year is getting off those big men blocks. So if you put some meat eaters in the inside, now they don't have to Now. Now they're being more free flowing linebackers and you can use them and a much more productive pace and use them

in different variations. So I'm okay with it. It's not still still got tank. I'm worried about that because here, here's the biggest thing. You're not You're not gonna play. You're not gonna play. Poe and McCoy at a lot of snaps together, they're they're almost staggering one another. They're they're going to be like, all right, we know that both of you are thirty plus, we know that both of you have some years in the league that both

you have some injury history. So we're not trying to line you up and play both of you guys sixty five snaps a game. No, what we're trying to do is we're trying to find two inside guys that we can rely on through the course of the season, kind of almost stagger and them playing them maybe twenty five snaps a piece, so that at the end of the game that they're fresh. They're not a lot of when you're tearing their bodies. Maybe some packets where they may

come in and have a boat in there. But I don't think they're both gonna be playing at the same time. I think they're gonna see a different You're gonna have those guys more so staggered behind one another, giving each other a rest kind of being able to have them for the duration of the season, not necessarily having them on the every down basis where they're playing sixty snaps the game. They don't have anybody behind them. You know them, and you got an you gotta have Tristan Hill. You

got and Hill is a big question mark. But these are these are all the things that they're looking and I agree with you, Kurt, these are all the things that they're looking at, saying Okay, Tristan Hill, we need you to take the next step and bringing these veteran guys in here, hopefully they're able to put their arms around Tristan Hill and say, hey, young fella, here's how you become a professional. Here's how you go about your work.

So you got two guys in here who's been in the league for a very long time and has played at the high level four sometime in this league. Hopefully that being around a guy like Tristan Hill will really be able to set the tone for him and he takes that next maturity step and that next professional step. And now you've got some sort of a three four man rotation. If they get a guy in the draft, they you know, they pick another guy up, maybe Laton

free agency. Now you've got a three four man rotation. Whether they're get getting these guys fresh, you can now use Crawford at the defensive end. Inside that now give you more options to do different things. Again, I just don't think these two guys are going to play together at the same time for a large majority of the game. The bottom line is this right here, the bottom line, Kurt, is simple to thish right here, you could not have signed these guys. And now your back end it's just

as ragged as your front end. They have addressed the front end as best they can at this time. They will they will pick and choose as as when this thing gets started, you know, the OTAs all the way to training camp. It'll be some guys out there defensively on the defensive front that you can pick and choose from. But the where you're not gonna find guys that doing after the draft is cornerbacks. Cornerbacks and cornerbacks they're gonna be hard to find. So they're gonna have to draft

these guys. You know, they're gonna have to. They're gonna have to put a great effort in drafting these guys. That's it's the first time I ever said, you know, if it's a corner out, they're go get him because there's a premium on corners. You got them have a run if they haven't found anybody, I think on the back end. And let's Steve coaches make a hell of a difference. Yeah, that's the same we're we're talking about is the defensive line. Okay, and the secondary is probably

even worse shape. So ye got some work to do. Well, fellas, we got some work to do too, but not on this show because we are out of time. So Matt I Robot, thank you for keeping us on the air. Nay, thanks for bringing it as always, Jesse, get to see your beautiful face Man as always, Kurt, good to see you're busy and healthy. Keep going from those dobs, but stay six six feet away from the neighbors. IM shitting gross broadcasting live from the SWBC mortgage bedroom. Hopefully we'll

have some wings in our homes next week. If I don't screw it up again, we will be back next Monday, eleven o'clock. Hang it with the Boys, TI time. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.