Hangin' with the Boys: Hanging With Omar Epps

don't want to cancel them. I'll take the L we go to the super Bowl. I will take the L on that. I'll take that hit to the pocket book. Delay that trip for later. How you fellas doing great? Yeah? Nate lost some weight Monday. Nate lost a lot of weight. Nate. Yeah, Nate crash dieted over the weekend. So Jesse, how you doing? Listen? Man? You know me, I'm blessed. Let's do it. Got his Mario socks on? Yeah, Mario got matching shoes, matching shirt.

I'm in the holidays. I'm the Holidays Holiday, Happy Holidays. Bas the Hollie Yeah, Gerbils, Tommy John what's up? Get them draws ready for here we go. I need them furry draws and welcome to the show. To your right. Nate is out today. He had to go to a graduation. But we have a very special guest in studio. Oh, Mariopps, how you doing, Omar? I'm good fellas good good. Went to the game yesterday, went to the game yesterday. Good luck charm. It's a great uh knock on wood. Yeah,

every time we come, we win. So we'll see you with Phil yea. All right, so let's let's jump right in it. Your take coming into this game as a fan, lifelong, huge Cowboys fan, What was your take coming into this game? You were at the game, and then what was the vibe after the game? My take coming in uh was I wanted us to make a statement. I wasn't cool with just to win. I was like, we need I need to see the team, you know, not the potential,

Like we need to see it. And watching the game, it was just like, Okay, this is this is the team that we believe is there and you know, hopefully for me, the mindset is like everybody's being nitpicky about getting in the playoffs and all of this, and I'm like, no, we gotta go on a run, Like yeah, we have to have the mindset of we need to go six and oh and then see what happens after that. So we want to know now and let's let's see how we ride. None. Let me ask you this question as

the game was happening. You're there, you're in person, you're alive, and you've seen what this season has been all year long, up and down roller coaster ride. At what point in time of the game did you feel comfortable with two minutes now? This game was one? What was that? It was one play? Well, my guys came with me to the game. We were all like, no, you need to score again, to score again, score again. I forget. It

was somewhere in the third quarter. But you know, um, I mean golf didn't look too good man, he looked kind of off. He missed a couple of passes, and that the first quarter that it might have been a different game. Yeah. I thought the d played solid. They were consistent. I was most impressed by um Kellen Moore's uh he adjusted, you know, because those first two series was like, oh, come on, let's not do this again.

Just run the ball, dude, anyone knows what's gonna happen, Just to do it, you know, you man up and moved those men, and once we got to that, and you know, a couple of little cute plays here and there. But I thought he made some good adjustments after the first two drives offensive drives. You know, I went into this game and I tried not to psych myself out because I was like, this game doesn't really matter, like

in the grand scheme of things, it doesn't matter. But the closer it got to game time, this game mattered a lot. And not on paper because you still you beat the Eagles, you beat the red Skins in your end, whether you'd want to lost this game, right, but this game meant a lot because they needed this game to prove to themselves we can beat a good team. We haven't beat a good team all year. To me, beating a team and beating them the way they did, like

this could be huge. Like I still don't think anybody no but this, but see, all right, this is where I get a little bit. I get a little frustrated, and people come down on me because they always say I'm negative, Nancy, I'm just the voice of reason. I'm the voice. I'm the voice of reason. This is the part where I get a little bit upset because we watched this team play yesterday and you're saying Tony Pollock bawling, charling, bawling, even the old men of the backyard, Winton, balling, Swan

leave and you I get so frustrated. I'm saying, where the hell is this? Where has it been all year? Like? If they played like this last last night against the Packers, they went right against the Orleans they went they beat the Jets by fifty. They play like this, they beat they beat every they beat just about every single too. That's the part that's frustrating, because I don't know where

to point the finger. I was. I was at a charity event a couple a week of ter ago one of the prominent players on this team, and I asked him, I said, well, what's the issue, and he was just like, I don't know, because we look at it and we go we have everything here, but we can't put our

finger on what's wrong. And then they go out and they play like this, and now everyone's like super Bowl, Lets like we forgot about what happened three weeks ago and That's the frustrating part because I'm sitting there saying, Okay, we're seven and seven, and we were more we were more like we were three weeks ago than we were tonight. There's more there's what we saw three weeks ago. There's more evidence of that on film than there is what

we saw last night and against Philly. This is the outlier, right So now I'm saying, what team packed, what team will be packed on that plan to go to Philly

next week. That's a good question. I think. I think you can attribute it to to something or someone or a group of people, and to me, it's it's it's the coaching, it really is, you know, and not knocking Garrett, but I'm just saying as a fan, you know, watching from the outside, teams take on the attitudes of their coaches, you know, or coaching staff, and so that sort of

lasa fair. You know, the last three weeks, U you know, we're coming in, we're big shots, and you know, we have a good first drive and then we get punched in the mouth. It's a difference. Backs up against the wall right now. You know, jobs seem like they are on the line right now. He's a group of grown men trying to feed their families. And that's what I saw in the field yesterday, like all the hype is out the window. We need to go out there and really perform, and they need to, you know, how do

you to your point? How do you you know, pack that attitude did and get on a plane and let's get on this run. That's interesting to me because I almost took an opposite point of view and that I thought when I was watching that game with the man, these guys are playing so much more aggressive, so much harder to me, and I was in my mind, I'm thinking, what what did the coaches say to you know, flip that switch? They showed the highlight film, but hey, I

want if it works, everybody's knock something. It was different, But to me, I thought it came from within. I thought, the players are doing this the coaches. What could the how could the coaches get them to play harder? We talked about that some last week. I don't know if they could have and whatever the reason, the players they

took it up a notch. I thought, yeah, but how do we This is my things as a as a formal player, right and you and I had this conversation UM pre show last week, and I think it was Nick Saban Bill Belichick's head it You don't have to motivate a lion to kill, right, that's true. Right, So why does my back have to be the wall? Why? Why does my back has to be against the wall

for me to come out and play like this? Why why do I have to be embarrassed for four three or four weeks in a row, three and seven in the last or four and seven in the last eleven games for me to have to come out and play like this? You see what I'm saying. And to me, that's where the fraudulent play comes in the part for me, it's, oh, I got my backs against the wall. My job's on the line. This, all these other factors have to come into play for me to step up and go. All right,

now to time for me to go and be a dog. Well, you don't have to motivate a lion to kill. But you know a lion can't kill if he's caged. And I'm saying that in the sense of you gotta put these guys in the right position, you gotta you know, on both sides of the ball, and then they can use their talents. You know, to your point, I thought

the guys were playing a lot harder. They were also playing as a group, you know, on both sides of the ball, especially on defense, it seemed like it was one body moving around versus you know, different bodies moving around, and that I haven't seen that in a few weeks. You know. It just seemed like everybody's out there doing their own thing. And when we have that type of synergy and that type of gel, you know, who knows.

I mean, we're not gonna you know, we're not saying, hey, we're going to the super Bowl, but you know, we showed that we're formidable. And I've been saying it the whole time. Look, giants, they want to chip at nine and seven, so the numbers don't really matter. Is if you get into the tournament, it's one game at the time.

That's interesting that you said that, because a lot of talk the last week, especially last couple of weeks, we've been hearing from various people within the building that everybody's

on a different page, everybody's doing their own thing. And for you to say hero ball, for you to say, watching it as a fan, it looked like every body was playing as a team is really interesting because that's been what we think might be the biggest problem is everybody's trying to go do their own thing, and I play within the system, right because when you're not putting the right position, it kind of forces you to do that, you know what I'm saying. And I think that I

think a big thing is identity. You know, who are we? And I think you know, first people have been saying the first you know, our first three games, all those teams sucked. Yeah, after the fact, that was another professional football team when we played them. So it was all in the beginning of the season. Okay, we you know, we had some losses. I mean, we could have beat the Packers, could have beat the Saints and um we hell those guys, right, But the identity to me came

out yesterday. It was just like, this is who we are week this is who we can be in week fourteen. That's That's okay though, because it's not a the seasons. The seasons you want to get into the tournament, right, and that's one thing, you know, bringing up the Patriots, that's one thing that Belichick is figured out is how to get those men to peak at the right time, and it's it's a different season. We get into the tournament,

it's it's the playoffs. So I'm cool with peak starting to peek now versus you know, a few weeks ago. I just find it. I just find it hard that it takes you fourteen weeks to formulate an identity. I think you want to kind of have that on your way into the season and then to develop it as the season going along. I think week fourteen to say. And even so, let me ask you this question, you think this is a mirage. We just saw the decision the team we're going to see down the road. I

don't know, does anyone do we know? Is anything confident that I'm just saying, But I'm just I'm just saying, like, is is there anything I'll put it? I'll put it in the perspective that that you did with on your

your profession. Okay, you know that when you shoot a movie, they're certain directors and producers that's about their stuff, right, And you know when you blessing when I when I work with this director, it's gonna be boom boom boom boom boom, and it's gonna be legit and everything's gonna be ready and everything, and then you got someone you're like, I don't really know this dude, I don't really know this lady. I don't really know how they work. So

the expectations a little bit off. And so when you go when you when you go and work with that dude or that woman, you know that this is going to be a well oiled machine, and your thought process is different opposed to when you go and deal with someone that you really don't know how it's going to be. I think that's what we're at with this team. It's do we have anything solid enough to know when I go and work with Spike, it's gonna be boom right, opposed to when I go and work with this one,

I don't really know what it's gonna be. Well, so you hope for the best, but you don't really know. That's a that's a great observation. But between both of those scenarios, I still bring my a game. Doesn't matter if it's you know, this well known director or this unknown director. I'm bringing a thousand percent. And to your point, you know, within the team, I think you know the guys have to step up to the play it. Really you got to go off of the eye test. We

can't overthink this, you know. At the end of the day, the team is what we saw in the field yesterday, you know. And I know people like to throw around stats and analytics, and it's that old Mike Tyson thing. Everybody has a plan until they get pushed in the face, right, you know. So we you know, if that team shows up for the next few weeks, we're gonna be formidable and I'll take our chances against anybody. I agree, Yeah,

I agree. And it's kind of funny you brought that up because that saying has been on those video boards around the building in a training table, it says we are who we are, and it's like who are we? Like, are we the team that we've seen the last you know, thirteen weeks, or are we the team we saw yesterday, which for me, I'm not buying in yet, Like, show me who you are. Do it again. We can do

it again we saw yesterday, and do it again. We run the ball, we're built to run on offense in past second, We've got weapons on the outside, men move men. That's the team's identity and that's what I loved about yesterday. It wasn't cute. See it wasn't It was like the whole stadium knows about to handoff the zeke. There's nothing more demoralized than I would imagine for a defensive player, like we just can't stop. You know, we know what

they're doing. We know what they're doing, and that's to me, that's the identity. And then the d gets amped up and now they're playing together. We got a little bit of it. I hope hopefully we get more of a pass rush moving forward. But you know, d Backs were playing.

Sean Lee had that incredible that I think going back, that was the moment where I thought the game was over once he got that interception and the way that he ran it back because he didn't just get it and like, oh we got it, he was like I'm trying to score it. To me, that that play sort of personified the urgency that the team has right now. So again, hopefully they can bottle that up. I like, I want them to be frustrated. I want them to be on edge, you know, and explode on a few

let's take our first break. Another question. I was just thinking, I was sure saying to myself, Shanley, you get down down. Yeah, all right, let's take our first break. When we come back, we'll bring it back with very special in studio guests. Omar Epps on hanging with the Boys the Cowboys Way. We're thanksgiving me and spending the day with one hundred thousand of your closest family and friends to watch the game live or sixteen Hall of Famers and five championships

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you that feeling of freedom. Shop Exclusive Cowboys under what Tommy john dot com Slash Cowboys for twenty percent off your first order Tommy john dot com Slash Cowboys. Thank you, Kurt. Yeah. So, just so you guys don't know, I know, you've talked to us on the phone the first time you've been in studio with us, right, and then you guys may

not know who our esteem co host is. So he's he was involved in probably one of my favorite plays in favorite games ever because it was one of the first road games I ever went to as a Alboy employee, and he was on this reality show called Mister Fourth and Long. I don't know if you remember that Fourth and Long. Michael Irvan, Yeah, Michael, my bad killed the whole show. Yeah it Twitter Handles. You can still get that on iTunes, though, please go get get it like

twenty bucks. Yeah, I need my dollars sixty nine sitting they're gonna send me at the end of the year. Go get that. So I think Kyle has probably my favorite play of Jesse in a Cowboys uniform that that I believe he can punch up here and show us. This was the game that Romo broke his ribs in San Francisco. I remember that game, Yeah, and here's Jesse. There's Jesse. Then turn on the Jets and almost almost

made it almost, So that's Jesse. So just for you guys that didn't know who Jesse was, that's our co host. I like to anytime I can bring up that play, I keep telling you guys, that's one more play that I had us a cheap time. Tell us. That's why I always bring it out. I'm never gonna be mad at that play that I'm not either, I'm score boarding. That's one moment. You know what. You know what that's for.

That's to remind every fan that always takes jabs to you on Twitter that says you never did nothing and all that. That's why I always do that because because you were there. But I can I can also say, even if you were in the game, I don't think that you would come up big in the moment because even when the moment happens, you get you get a little scary. Me, Yeah, what moment? What are we talking about? Oh? Okay, okay, who's that? Who's the scary guy right there? Let me

tell you? Yells and you get a little scared at that moment, baby, jeremiahs to my right, and I had that telephoto lens and I knew Zach screen and You're like, oh, no, I couldn't shoot him because he was literally for me to kurt. So I was moving. I moved the lens out of the way so Jeremiah can shoot it. I didn't know he stood up. He was kneeled down next to me. So I'm moving that out of the way and laughing. I think Shannon's got you beat. And yeah,

that was hilarious. Hell when did you figure out you were going to do that? Uh? When it happened twenty seconds ago. Touche, good job, It's all good. Good job. Listen, when when a lion roared, don't you get scared? When you get a little scared, place still eat at you. No, no, you don't think about like, oh if I would a stutter step stiff on. Well, No, just like it was. It wasn't meant to be that. It wasn't meant for

that to be that that meant was. There's a long story behind that, um but that that moment was for a bigger purpose. That moment was for a greater purpose God. God wanted me to have something else. Happened in that moment, and people know I'm serious like that that moment if you if you know my story leading up to that moment, Yeah, that moment wasn't sup posted me. I wasn't supposed to score. It was never meant for me to score in that moment.

And if it had not been for me, we don't have Dan Belly for all those years we won games with Dan Belly because he missed earlier in that game and I got a chance to come back and overtime and kick it. And then he hit twenty nine straight in the row. After that he welcome and then and then the legend, the legend of Tony Romo does not live like it does when him playing through the broken rod out me. Come on, who's Tony without me? It's a great question. That's a great question. Was that the

Miles Austin game too? Yeah? Where he one of the best photos I've ever seen was that before or after? Years before? I remember his hamstrings went out in the fourth quarter? Is why you were playing? Yeah? Was it really? Well? No, Dwayne Harris was playing. Okay, he sucked that whole game. I was supposed to start that game because that didn't play that game either he had tour. He had messages

quad up against the Jets that week one. I think it was we played a nine to eleven in Week one against the Reeves and he messages quad up and couldn't play. And then Miles was in the huddle and he was like, dog, I'm done. I said, what said? My hamstra was just done? I said, what are we gonna do? I don't know, but I can't run no more. I say, we ain't gonna listen to cos we're having I'm like in the huddle. In the huddle, I'm like, but we have you or desk. He was like I'm done.

I'm like, oh snap. I was literally shook like a little and I was like, all right, let's go and we want here you go? All right? Nice? Yeah, Kurt? Yeah, what you're looking at over there? Just Twitter, Twitter and just various people popping off stats and stuff. All right, So, ohmar I got a question for you as a fan, Yes, sir, I feel like I don't feel like I know for a fact because a lot of my friends are Cowboys fans. This is the way they felt, and I think you

have a different out look on this. But I just want to see where you're at as a fan. I have friends. In fact, the majority of my friends that are Cowboy fans did not want us to win yesterday because they want to make sure this coaching staff does not come back and if this team gets hot and they make a deep runt in the playoffs. Friends, No, this is Cowboy fans in general. I feel like I want to know you as a fan. Are you because Nate's the opposite. Nate's like, No, I want to win

every game, whether we're in it or not. Like, that's my team. I want them to win. Where are you at on the fence of fandom? Are you? I'll sacrifice this for the greater good or my team or you Like I want to win every game. I want to win every game, okay, you know, and I want it to be what it is. I want to deal with the truth or what it is. And that's what I've said before, Like I'm not worried about numbers and this,

that and the other. We win, we get into the tournament, and then let's see what happens if we can keep If I'm telling you, if we can play like we played yesterday, I'll take my chance. Here comes to voice of reason. I see no, no, no, no, I just I just want more evidence of it, right, show me again, that's it, and then again and then again. I want to be able to go into the football court of law and have a definitive case of why we should

believe right. I don't want to go on the court of football law and go well like, I want to be able to say, here it is, and be able to lay out in a full gamut of evidence of why we should really believe that this team is capable of because I've been around here, You've been around here, You've been a lifelong fan, You've been around it forever, and it's been twenty plus years of us hearing the same thing. Is that next years our year, next years our year, that window that this is the biggest day

in window I ever seen in my life. I'm sure you got a nice home with good tall ceilings and big window. That's a pretty big window. We keep saying this over and over and over and over again, and eventually the window I said this a week or so ago, like Jerry doesn't have a long time to keep having this thing reading rebuilt, like the money won't the lifespan and the money and the talent won't It just won't go long enough, because eventually, after next year, you're gonna

have one hundred million dollars quarterback. You're gonna have a ninety million dollar running back. You're gonna have a ninety million dollar defensive end. You can probably have another ninety million dollars receiver. You're gonna have a seventy five million dollars running corner. You're gonna have all this money is you're gonna have to start paying these guys. And then it comes to a point where is oh, by the way,

I add a new coach into that Mexical. I don't, honestly don't think no matter what happens in this situation, I don't think Jarre's gonna bring Jason carrittback. I was gonna ask you that. I don't think so. Even if let's just say, let's say we get to the conference championship, I think you gotta win it. You gotta win the super Bowl. Now, I think you gotta win the conference championship. Then I think it's some real that's a hard sell. That's gonna be a hard sell. Tigre, I agree, that's

gonna be an amazingly hard sell. You know how bad I think you know how bad he wants to keep Jason, Like he doesn't want to get rid of Jason. He wants him to go win. If he goes and takes you to a super Bowl, you really think he's gonna run out of here because my thing is as Jason, and this is this is from the man perspective. If I'm Jason Garrett, well, I'm not giving you a hometown discount now, Jerry, because you put me out on the fence to hang and dry, like you you you literally

hung me out to dry this year. So now when if I if I happen to win it and I come back to the table, I'm taxing you the next five years that my condic is gonna right. You hung me out there? How do you hang them out there? You let me walk into this season with no contract extension. You gave me a rookie offensive coordinator, and you took the play call and dudes away from me. You literally said you because we did it your way and it wasn't working. So you're saying that your job is on

the line and you can't drive the boat. You've had ten years, right, so now that I've proven you wrong, when I come back to negotiating table, I'm not giving you a discount. We've been bashing these coaches whole season for not having the team ready, game playing, all that kind of stuff. Do I deserve credit for yesterday? I think so. I think so. I think the whole team does it. Just in it seemed like there was a

unity there. Again. I thought Moore made some some play calling adjustments that I haven't seen him making the past few weeks. Um hit. The way to look at Garrett, or the way that I look at Garrett is, let's say, you know they part ways. You see him being a head coach somewhere else in the NFL yep, like the next year yep. Or do you think he's got to go be a coordinator work his way back in? You know how this works in this league. This league is

a bunch of recyclable coaches. It's a boys club. And look at some of the worst coaches they get, they get new jobs somewhere else. I do think so. I mean, there's there's jobs like Miami, there's jobs like Cincinnati. There's jobs like Washington. Um Dar, in Washington, you just named two jobs people on one Yeah, the me, the head coach of Miami or the Dangles me really better to be employed than other. Yeah, yeah, I mean there's that. Yeah.

I mean, I'm just saying, like I mean, there's there's a bunch of jobs where people are gonna be and you know how you know how it is with the Cowboys. Everybody always thinks it's almost it's the same effect with Bill Belichick right now. None of his assistants, maybe one in Houston kind of have a little bit of success. None of his assistants has success, but they all think if we can pluck from that coaching tree that maybe we get a little bit of sprinkled on us. It

doesn't work. Same thing with the players, right Bill. He grows these players, and people snatch them and they pay them all his money and they don't work out, and then Bill brings them back after their contracts. Well except for Jimmy Gum, but I do I think I think Rever heard about that to your earlier point. I think there's a difference between the hype and the brand of the Cowboys and the realistic part of what the team is.

And for me, I've always been a realistic fan I remember doing first Take a few years back and was talking to Skip and I was like, we're gonna be eight and eate. I mean's just let's just deal with what it is, you know, so you can't get caught up in the hype. But I think, you know, since the dak era has begun and Zeke, it's been this like wait a minute, We've we've got something here, you know that could and as all the pieces are coming together, and it's just like, you can't. I mean, you can't

knock Jerry. Jerry's an incredible owner, incredible businessman, and you can knock him. And so he had to do what he had to do this year with Garrett, I think, light the fire underneath him. What's that saying? You can't you know, doing the same thing and expect different results, you know. So it's like, hey, we need, you know, bringing some young blood here, some young blood here, and

let's see how you perform. All right. So, as a realistic Cowboys fan, right, you just saw this game and you're like, okay, wow, what's it take for you to buy in and be because obviously that's the outlier. They haven't put a game like that together all season started out really good and then it's just been you know,

the first good team they beat. What does a realistic Cowboys fan get you to buy in and say this is a this is a good team and this team can go deep into the playoffs or we were talking about this this morning. We gotta beat Philly obviously, right, Okay, Then dude and we were debating, Okay, do you sit players when we play the Redskins or do you keep you keep the steam rolling. I don't think Garrett sit

to anybody. He's got to play. So let's say we we we then and then it just depends on who we playing in that in the wild card, like who who's that gonna be? Who do you want to play? Because you're talking about now the Niners, Vikings or Seahawks.

I'd rather take the Vikings first. Can you get that confidence under our belt and then take let's you know what, let's go to Seattle, you know, and then let's let's let's face the forty to forty nine is a for real I mean to see, they're all for real, but the forty nine is are like I could see them, you know at the end of the at the end of the pounding. You still got green Bay, So we don't know how it's gonna don't want it. You definitely

don't want to see a Green Bay. Just we the process of that, the mental the mental aspect though, the thought process. Oh you said you were realistic. I am, I am. You know, the Green Bay as a team, what are their weapons? It doesn't doesn't matter what weapons that if they have to come here. That man beat us on one leg. When you're think about that, oh, he came into a game with a strange calf and we knew it right. It wasn't like it was a secret that man stood a shotgun with one leg and

wore us out. I think just a mental part of it. I see Aaron Rod is a cannon. I think that part scared Just the mental part of it scares me. It's like, but if we wouldn't get to that point, that mentality might be flipped around like they're chomping at the bit, you know, because that was the other thing about yesterday's game, and sort of like the subtext of it is like, damn, these dudes whooped on us slash shit.

And and I saw that too. I saw a personal part of it, like we need to get some get back. So I think they would feel it same way about Green Bay. I will tell you this, this is probably the first year looking at opponents that I would maybe want to play Green Bay before i'd want to play the forty nine Ers or the Seahawks, especially on the road.

I think I think i'd almost oh yeah, forgot about the saint That's the team you don't want to see because the difference between Aaron Rodgers and Brady and Breeze or the coach. Correct, ye, okay, you I don't want to see Belichick, you know what I mean. And you don't want to see Sean pay Yeah, you know I want you. But this new guy, I'll take my chances with me on the floor. I think right now we faced the forty nine Ers in the first round and then have to go to Seattle. So here at home

and then go to Seattle. I mean, it's not gonna be an easy road no matter what happens to But forty nine has got that defense is for real. But to your point earlier, if you can guarantee me, like if you can say I'm putting a house that the team that we saw last night's gonna get on any plane or coming to any stadium, I'm betting, okay, oh yeah, if you can guarantee me that that team was coming, I'm putting that team. I don't think against anytime. I

don't think anybody wants any part of that team. That was because yesterday that was I would say four phases. That was four phases of good football. Offense, defense, special teams, and coaching. Last night we haven't seen that type of performance with all four phases being just dominant. I don't think we've seen that all year long with the last What they need to do to prove that to you? Like, is it these last two games or is it getting in and win in the first round? Like yeah, yeah,

you got you gotta spank Philly for me. Spank Okay, now you gotta spank Philly. Like you gotta go out in spank Philly. Could you fourteen or more? Yeah? Like it got it gotta be a dominant performance like last night was a dominant performance. You can't go up to Philly and it'd be like a squeaking out, squeaking out of eking out because I'm like, because if you do that, that means it's telling me that you reverted back to

some of your old ways. Right, someone's not blocking or tackling, or things aren't going right, you gotta come and whoop up on Philly and beat them sound. And now I'm like, okay, have you been on the team in college or pros that something just clicked at one point in the whole almost the spots changed or the stripes changed on the team, and it was like things just were different. I'll give you. I'll give you an example. And it wasn't football based.

It was my national championship basketball team. We played Georgia Tech for some reason. This year, the ACC tournament was in DC. We played Georgia Tech and the first game we played, we didn't play well. We didn't play any defense. Coach with screaming at us, and we just squeaked by. And then we came and we played Tech the next game. And we'll buy him, we'll buy him, and Jared Jack put a whooping on I think we'll buy him. Had like thirty he was, I mean, he was just like

he gave you seventeen. He gave you like it was like like like Will had like like you. I mean, no matter who guarded Will buying him. It was just and we took we we went from Carolina. We flew from Carolina to DC and coach was so mad. We bust from DC back to North Carolina as punishment. As punishment, not normally we would get at a nice steakhouse on the road, we had Windy's. He gave all of us

a ten dollars limit at Wendy's. Wow. We got back to North Carolina and it's probably like three or four o'clock in the morning, and he's like, we're all thinking about we're about to go back to our rooms whatever this roy So he's like everyone on the court in twenty minutes, I wouldn't be late a fire with you. It's like four o'clock in the morning, and we're like,

come on. He ran the dog of us and it clicked and we went into after the AC term was over, we got our number one seed head an NC doable a tournament, and we just rolled jokers. I mean, but it was in that moment that it clicked for us and it became and it finally became what we wanted

it to be. We had a we had a really good regular season, but that moment that morning, we ran for three hours like if you didn't communicate on a line, if you didn't box out on a line, and any little thing you didn't on a line, hand out on a line, and he ran us and ran us, and that moment we turned the corner, and whoever was in front of us the rest of that way to an NC doable a tournament we destroyed. So it can happen.

Oh yeah, I can ask you a question. Yes, in those moments, did the team sort of come together and have discussions outside of the coaches, like, did you sort of hold each other accountable? Yes? Okay, it that's what it was. It was. It was. It was a man and man stuff. It was like, you know, like, listen, dog, if we're gonna do this, here's how it has to

get done. There's no more, you know. I remember, I remember actually and we were playing against UM Wisconsin and coach are trying to drop up a play for Rashad McCants and another player goes, what are we doing? Coach Sean has twenty go back inside to Sean and coach was like, you're right here. We had to like and a player saying this like no, no, no, let's keep feeding showing the ball. He has twenty and a half.

What are we doing here? And it was the players taking ownership here, like coach, hold on, I know what you're trying to do, but this dude is dominating. We're going right back inside him and every play down and then we'll beginning to play for each other. And and everything just clicked. And it was more so of not only because Roy kept saying it. We're not only the

most talented team, I'm a talented group. We're the best team the team aspect become to come a play because we were playing a lot of individual ball and we just did was out athleting everybody. But we knew once we got on a turn, we had to become a better team. And at that moment, after we'll buy them put it on us, we became a better team and went on a run, and one it all happen. Can happen? Speaking of going on a run, we gotta run. We gotta get out of here already, already, gotta cut it

short today, got other meetings, gotta get out of here, eetings. Dude. I will do nothing, man, I know except a scared on game day, you sh black man, I got people hit me up on Instagram like, we're scared, Bros. I'm telling you that ain't the first time. It takes more of that to scare that. If y'all don't want to believe me, that's fine, but that that's the story. But I'll go with it. I was scared everybody else, Listen, that's the story. We're going ninety thousand people around me.

I got scared. Na, he wasn't that close, man, Jesse, Thanks man oh, thanks for coming on the show many time. Thanks for keeping us on the air. Cadence, stay away from us. We'll back normal time. Need will be back in the chair tomorrow. Tune in on Hanging with the Boys. Maybe. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club