Hangin' With The 'Boys: Drew Pearson Stops By

original eighty eight. Drew Pearson's gonna join the show. Kurt is on site with him conducting an interview that or something. We'll find out what that's about, and they will be here probably fifteen or twenty minutes. What's going on with this, Mike Douglas, That's a good question. I'm watching it. I'm watching the board mover around mysteriously on the game. Are you there here? Hello? Okay, I'll just keep going. We'll see what happens here about me? You got me here?

Can I do here? What about Nate? Is Nate here? Okay? Talking today? Are you there? N talking? What happened? I was talking? I was talking? He wasn't talking? Oh man, braun As. How was the trip you just got back? Right? It was good? Yeah, we got back yesterday. The we'd stay through. I was telling you guys, we'd stay through if they let us. Uh, the NFL kicks us out

Saturday night. We did our draft shows all on all last week and then uh yeah, we'd hang in there, but they say, you know, you need to go somewhere else, so they send us on home. But it's good to be back. Um, when'd you guys go up? We went last Tuesday, had a lot of content, got ahold of Stephen Jones, kind of ran some things down about him and some situations with him and does then we got Jerry at the end of the week. Had some good stories in between, some evaluations and stuff up. It was

pretty good week for Scottboys dot Com. And hope everybody went back and kind of checked out the stuff that we were doing. Yeah, you guys did a hell of a job. Thank you, congratulations on that. Thank you appreciate that. Awesome. So I know, uh wow, I know Nate's gonna have a ton of questions for you, and I hope they're good. Oh no, no, always good. I know, I know if he asked me if this is the question I'll get. He wants to know who you who? You got us?

Take it at nineteen? No, No, I'm not, I'm not. I'm a word about it. What's the question I do not want to hear today? Uh, I'll just put it like this. If you ask them about a guy that's that that place that's running, and he say, does does he look good? Brod's gonna get mad at you because they all look good in panties? I mean he's short. No, that's the thing. An, No, that's who look good? They're all good. If you if you come and you go, who look good? That's a lazy question. Yeah, that's all.

That's a lazy question. What about who surprised you? That's even better. That's a better question because and and that's and that's the angle you need to take about this and again and I'm not trying to be a jerk. I'm just saying, you get that question, you go it could and you know what I could do. I could ruin your show. I could start at player one, you go all the way down to three twenty five if that's in there. Yeah, oh yeah, I could go through him.

I go through them all But what we got to remember about the combine, the most important thing is the medical stuff, you know, and this week we learned at a potential first round pick, Maurice Hurst, the defensive tackle from Michigan, has a heart condition and I was told it's very similar to what Hank Gathers had, who was at Loyo the Merrymouth that passed away. So he's going to the Cleveland Clinic. That's one of the world renown

hospitals for heart patients and stuff. So we'll see. The doctors are going to tell him he could either play or he can't play. There's no in between. I know this morning on the mail bag, people are asking us, well, could you take him in the fifth round. No, he's either got a heart that can play or a heart that can't play. Wow. So that's where we are. But that was a potential first round player that was you know, was knocked out because of the medical Maybe there'll be

some other ones down the road. But you know, that's that's big because a lot of people that had Maurice Hurst defensive tackle mock to the Cowboys at eighteen. That's when you guys kind of make fun of me who they're gonna take at eighteen if I said Maurice Hurst, maybe not Maurice Hurst. Now, so yeah, it's but it's a it's unfortunate. It's good to see these guys run around. But the thing to me is the most important thing is the film. Okay, we saw Barkley, the running back

from Penn State, have an incredible workout. You see that type of workout on tape. Now there's some guys here that, like I say, they will work out that didn't work out as good, but their tape is much better. That's that's where you have to That's where I think you have to be careful about the combine. The kid Griffin from from UCF from Central Florida, Chakeem Griffin, who is a linebacker. He's got the handicap he has one hand.

It was a birth defect, you know. And so now you know he's gone from being like a guy that we all talk about out as a third round player, fourth round player, to people saying, hey, Brian, can you take him at nineteen because of the workout. You love the intangibles, you love the workout. The tape is good, but you have to figure out what you would do with a six foot two hundred and twenty seven pound linebacker that might not be a starter. You can't take

a guy like that in the first round. You can't. Now, you could take it out depending on what position he plays as a will linebacker, that's his best position. You have one of the better will linebackers in the league playing for you right now. You can't say, well, hey, let's move him to Sam. Hey let's move him to mic. That's not this guy's thing. So you have to be careful, make sure the tape matches what you're seeing in the workout, and then and then be able to kind of adjust

the guys from there. I'm on with you one hundred percent. Man. I used an analogy while talking to him this morning. Nate Newton will not work out well. Nate Newton on the underwear Olympics will not work out well. But Nate Newton on tape will impress you. That's what I think. That's where I think you have to You know, Orlando Brown University of Oklahoma tackle terrible workout, But if you watch the tape, it's a lot different to how he plays.

He does play with power, he does play with some mobility. He's got a little lateral slide to him. But you watch him go through the drills, he's got awful. Let me ask you this, that's a great point. How how much is this just for show and just getting to see the guys in person and interview, and how much because it is guy can play, he can play, He could play, he could play. Yeah, And that's the thing about it is you've got a lot of guys. I'll

give another example of guy. There's a guy named Dylan Cantrell. He's a wide receiver from from Texas Tech. I haven't studied Daling Cantrell. Dylan Cantrell is sixty three, two hundred and twenty six pounds. He runs right about a four to five nine, which under wide receiver things would be you know that that's slow, that's not good. But then you look at the other measurable parts of him though.

His vertical jumps thirty eight and a half ten ten on the broad jump six five six, and the three cone drill is outstanding four h three in the short shuttle is rare for a wide receiver that tall and is sixty shuttle is ten eight five, which is another rare thing. Okay, if you watched, if you if you didn't know, if you just said Dylan Cantrell runs a four or five nine, you would say, okay, we got to move on. But then you got the other things. What this combine will do. It will make you go

back and watch guys. It'll make you go back and say, why did I not have where? What did I not see? I see the lateral I see the lateral quickness, I see the ability to burst the explosive. Does the tape show me that? That's where the combine could be very useful. I talked about the medical stuff being verily important because now we learned that Maurice Hurst has a threatening heart condition.

Well but now, but also though I've had the opportunity to interview some guys too, I've sat down and talk to I think the medical and the interviews, and then what the little bit numbers some of these guys, as we don't have accurate heights and weights on. Now we have accurate heights and weights, and now we have a little bit of a time with some speed. If you really like a guy, I'm gonna go to Florida A

and M and work Nate Newton out. If his his workout might be bad you know it might be bad, but I'm watching Nate Newton the player, and I'm going nah, nah nah no, this guy's he's no. The tape's better, tapes better on this guy. So I'm gonna make my way. I'm gonna went my way down there to Florida and I'm gonna work him out and I'm gonna say, Okay, my eyes are right. He's a good football player. I don't need to let the I don't let the times affect how I'm going to see him as a player

and see that. That that's why to us, to us it's a dog and pony show, but to the train and it's a professional, it's not. Yeah, And that's why you know, you know, I'm not saying a lot because you're asking on the right questions. You are, that's right questions. That's why I'm sitting over there like good one, good one, you know. Yeah, And and Broddess is gonna give it to you straight up. And that that's why people say, well,

have you watch a lot of the combine? Yeah? And I'm like no, no, because everybody looks good to me. And then you take you take the guy, the Griffin kid that ran the four three eight, And you know I'm following it. Oh man, da da da, And I'm saying to myself, no, yeah, I already know because I knew a little bit about him at UCF, you know. And uh, nobody runs harder, work harder, this, that another. But he don't And I hate to tell you, but he don't play at four to three nine on what

I've seen, Yeah, he's I will say this. He has explosive quickness. There's there's some stuff that you watch him play on you know, on film, and there's a lot of really positive traits. If you're gonna draft him, and it's not just because of the handicap the one hand, you have to have a plan for him, and I think it's let him play off the ball and let

him run. That's the thing if you're asking him. And it's not that he won't fight blocks, but at his size, it's tougher for him to get off blocks when people get on him. That's upbreaks. If he was sixty two, sixty three you you you you. I'm not saying you would draft him, but you will move him up. Well, let's let's get an example a guy that is that big and a lot of cowboy fans have a lot of people have been talking about this guy, Tremaine Edmonds

from Virginia Tech now Virginia Tech. I mean to me, Tremaine Edmonds can play all three spots. Play the SAM, you can play the mic, you could play the will. Considering something's happening to you're likely not gonna get back. Anthony Hitchens, see better figure out a way to find a mic linebacker. I don't think you want to move Stean Lee back to mike linebacker. I think you want to keep him at the will and let him do that. But Tremaine Edmonds is six to four, he's two hundred

and fifty three pounds. His arm linked is thirty four and a half. Okay, And now, okay, I see it. I got a tall guy, big guy, long arm, So okay, I can see a guy that plays off blocks as well. But you get to, like to say, four or five four for a guy that big, that's pretty good right there. But then you start to get into some of the other things about him, though, and you're like nine nine on the broad jump. That for a guy that big,

that's not a very explosive guy. But see the numbers don't say explosive on the jumps and stuff, but what but you watch him on tape, he plays explosive. So it's it's it's one of those things you're kind of like, again, you use these numbers as a guy to kind of say, Okay, do I need to go back and look at some of these guys and do I And I'm not a yeah, do I do I do? I'm not making up. I'm not trying to say, oh, wait a minute, he ran

a four three eight at the combine. Well, you could see the Griffin kid play that fact, I mean, you could see him play with that kind of that kind of a burst, that explosiveness. But then again, some of these other guys you're like, I know the tape and then but you got to make sure the competition too. You know, for example, the kid from the kid from San Antonio from ut San Antonio that that that everybody's Davenport, that everybody's talking about. You know, here's a guy that

that to me is a really really really interesting player. Again, he's six five almost six six, two hundred and sixty four pounds, you know, four five eight in the forty. Yeah, so then you're starting to see, Okay, the twenty shuttles the things where you have to have lateral Julie, he has the same twenty shuttle four four one as Bradley Chubb, who is the big time North Carolina State. Everybody's talking about, Okay, who could be Who's gonna be the first defensive end

off the board. Every saying Bradley Chubb's going to the Colts at three. That was that's the big buzz. Everybody's got him as a top five player. But you look at Marcus Davenport, You're saying, he, well, here's a big man. Bradley chubbs six four, two hundred and sixty nine pounds, very similar type guy. But David Ports a little bit maybe a little bit a little bit later on. Yeah, but he's he runs a four four one. And these are the things you see, you know, four to four one,

excuse me. In the twenty shuttle. That's the lateral agility, you know, that's how you see, that's pass rushers, that's ability to get around the corner, to move, to plant your foot, get back, you know, redirect and all that. So again, numbers are all part of just trying to make an evaluation of the player. And when speaking of defensive players, Uh, the what's the you've seen is what's his bend ability? You know what I mean? Yeah, what's and what versus Chubb? What have you seen? Chubb's got

a little bit. Chubb's got that little bit more of that of ability to dip the shoulder as a as a former, the thing to give offensive lineman problems is when you don't give when you have to face a guy that doesn't give you any hitting sets right man in the yeah, it would, Yeah, he he need you need when Nate's blocking, he needs to know that when his left hand hits that his right hand's gonna hit something right. And these really good ones have the ability

to dip and get almost sideways. And now Nate's struggling because his left hand not a half you know what hits him. And now he's thinking, oh my god, I gotta come with the right. And then the right goes behind or goes over or goes you know. And now he's a one hour and football player. And these guys are gonna win because they're dip low, they've got the shoulder down, and they've got an angle to the right to the course right. Yeah, he's Nate's pushed Chubb into

a sack. Yeah. Is that the drill they run when they put the hula hoops down on the ground. Yeah, that's the whole idea, is how low can you run and still maintain body control and balance, because that is the one thing. DeMarcus Ware was one of the best I've ever seen at the de Marcus Ware had an ability to attack you and they'll get real small. But then once he got on the outside other side of the tunnel, he was onto your quarterback. And that's the that's what the good ones do. If you play tall.

Nate Newton loves you all that man, Nate the tar you get the more. And that's where you watch when you watch these defensive lineman who went yesterday, if you really watch them in the drills, they did all kinds of bendy drills to see and you can and that's what shuttles tell you a lot about though, that ability, the three cone, the short shuttle, those change your direction. What's your what's your favorite drill to watch the whole combine? My favorite drill? I there's a couple of when it

depends on what position you watch. Were just watched the gauntlet drill. And I was trying to explain to you guys about and you I think you guys picked up on it after about the third guy that was weaving like he was a Bourbon Street drunk right like he was walking down him and there it sounds like, yeah from experience, yeah, well yeah, you know, yeah, go down Bourbon Street kind of kind of weave, you'd weave down

the middle of the street. The guys should have the ability to stay straight, have confidence in their hands that defensive backs receivers. If you see a guy constantly weaving and fighting the ball, those ball skills are not there. I love that drill. I absolutely love that. I love the drills where I love I talked about the twenty shuttle, the lateral stuff because in the three cone, because if you can't bend and get down, because you got to touch the line to get and burst to get to

the next line. If you can't bend down to get to the line, have you done this? You've done this drill a ton, right, and you couldn't been down well enough to get and then they kept bringing you back because you kept missing the line. Right, Mats covering his face say this, Let me say this as if you have a parent has a kid, they can work on the three cone. No, no, no, if you have a parent to have a kid and you know that your kid got the ability to be a big guy a

line on the defensive lineman offensive lima. I try to tell people, if you can start them with flexibility, there you go, there you go, stretching style, work in these count of these drills. Yo, kid would be because in high school they don't teach him no more. He's how about bending? Yeah, how about flexibility? Knees? Now, everybody's in the two points stand by sign the NFL get him. They're like, oh my god, whatever hedentities. Yeah, send him to yoga class. Yeah, there's a guy hurt. It would

not hurt. There's a guy in this draft and im and I'm looking at him right now. Is Colton Miller, offensive lineman from Ucla. R Colton Miller. He looked like he looked like a wide receiver. He's an offensive lineman from UCLA. Some people have him in the first round of their mock drafts. He's six eight and a half. He's three hundred and nine pounds. What six eight and a half, I'll say it again. Thirty four arms, ten and three quarter hands right four to nine eight. We

actually four nine five is his forty yard dash. Okay, thirty one and a half of the vertical, ten one on the broad, seven three four in the in the three cone, and then four four nine in the shuttle, and those are really good times for a big, tall offensive lineman. The problem with Colton Miller is he plays like he's like he's that like that straight now, there's no bending. Get your iron out, lay him down. Yeah, that's exactly what he is. He's like a flag pole.

He's a six state flagpole. He plays so tall and you watch people and he did he did twenty four times on the two twenty five and that, you know, for a guy it's got thirty four inch arms. That's not bad. I mean, that's that's getting the you know, long arm guys have a bad if you see those numbers, and it's like he didn't do very many bench reps. A long way to go, got a long way to go, gotta push that way a long way. So but Colton Miller,

he Nate says, he plays like an ironing book. He's so vertical in the way he plays and people get into him and they drive him to the quarterback. Yeah, but everybody's like Colton Miller. Five. He watched the tape. Watch the tape, and Colton Miller is like a welcome mat. Sometimes might as well have welcome across his chest. You know, you know when that's had to tell a parent. And this is what's so frustrating frustrating? Yeah, yeah, whatever, whatever

the word, what's I liked it? Extra frustrating? I was I wasn't drafted anyway because asked whether I want to be a dog or cat, and I don't know what to say. Was my mom attractive? Of course she was. She was my mom. Oh that's wrong, you're a dog. You're no cat, You're a daughter. Asked me to do now you want your mom? I'm like, okay, if that's believe, I mean, come on man. But anyway, I hate scouts,

don't you. Well no, I love scouts because well I tell that the college scouts were better than me than the pro scouts. Yeah, because the college scouts got Arizona State in order to damn George, all of these guys can't recruit me when I went to Florida, and then then the pro Scouts treated me like garbage. You want to be drafted, no work? Yeah, but anyway, Wow, what was I gonna say, hey to my band? And flexibility of parents and stuff like that. Your mother's were straded.

What bothers me? Man or dog? That's when you try to when you try to tell a parent, Yeah, this is what you can do to help your child right now, he's eight nineteen. If you do this here religiously three times a week, is stretched before and out the work. I said, if you do this, your kid will be at least have a chance to be better. Yeah, don't do it. Well, the coach said, they do they look do they look through you like you're like they're looking

through the back of your head. Yeah? Yeah, they Well, the coach said, and I gotta guard it does this and d Yeah, he's right. I get on ben At about this all the time because Bennett now is transitioning. He'll be a freshman high school in transition. Bennets brought us the sun. Yeah, he trans brings him to training camp every year. He'll be there for the next month. He loves me, Bet and he loves brought us. Yeah.

It's that is the truth. That is the truth, and so like, you know, try to help him, you know, like he's gonna go to the Manning passing camp and Thibolow Louisiana. I'm trying to help him that way. But I told him, I said, look, and how much do you love baseball? And he goes, that's okay, I mean I like playing it. I said, you know, you'd get in track and he goes, Dad, I'm come on, I'm slow. I mean, so that's the point. They will teach you. You might not be fast, but they will work on

your flexibility. They will work on your footwork. Yes, and you might get you might get mauled in every event you ever play in, but you will be training to work on your feet and your flexibility. Tom Brady got mauled. To look at him, go, I remember that. You know you look at the combine with Tom Brady. I remember that combine. You know you can watch some of the drills. Tom Brady was like the ironing board guy out there.

But but tom Brady developed, you know, he developed some flexibility, some bend, some some bit to be able to play with your knees bent. And that's what I'm saying, Like, you know, he's right, He's given parents the right advice because I'm the same way I'm thinking about, Okay, take Bennett out of baseball, put him in track. I mean, I'm about take him over that Michael Johnson school. Say I tried to bag my baby boss king dude trade. Yeah. Now now, now I say, your boy as leaving to

go to the pros. Yeah, I say, I bet he flexible. Yeah, I bet he can be in ye. And now you look at me now, Oh yeah, it don't matter where you come from, Brian him, I'll find you. Yeah, they will find you. Oh No, that's that's that's that's the absolute truth. I mean because I've I've even talked about moving into other locations, like being a parent, just so he had an address, and He's like, no, I like going to school. So I'll do whatever I have to

do for my kid to have success. My kid might only play high school football, he might not ever be to get to go to the Combine. But like Nate says, you give advice, right, you get it. I'm not. I'm not stupid enough. I'm not stupid to not listen to Nate Newton. He's been there, right, you know, I've seen it. With my own eyes. So anyway, the combine, that's that's kind of what it's happen. What so what are the next steps? Combine? Didn't they bring walk people through what

happened from the organization. Now we go from the combine to the actual pro days and and and it's really more important for guys that maybe didn't have a great forty time. Guys will come to they'll go to their own facility, they'll train better scout scouts will work with them, they'll get better numbers, they'll get lower numbers. It's really important for these quarterbacks. You know, Sam Darnold, the quarterback USC did not throw in the combin, but the other

quarterbacks did. Hey, I'm off for the competitive quarterback. If you're gonna throw, great, But they'll go they'll have these pro days and these guys not a ball will hit the ground. But this is a this is a tough environment to throw football in because, hey, you're throwing the guys, you're a little bit of the mercy of the receivers. You can never work with these guys and you might get a run just because your last name begins with a D. And they do it in alphabetic order to

match you with receivers. You might get three guys when you're three throws might not be very good. Yeah, can't run a route to take it open. And I say, I think Josh Allen, the Wyoming quarterback who had a really good you know, the arm strength and all that, he had a little bit of a benefit because he had better receivers. He threw to it the combine then he did at Wyoming, and so people kind of change that. But yeah, the next thing is we'll have the pro days.

We got free agency coming up March twelfth, so that that'll no, that'll affect, but that'll affect the draft. That'll affect the draft. So some people kind of supplement they get guys, maybe you won't see them going. But yeah, we're fifty some odd days and draft right now. When do they bring the players in April? It's the end of March, first week in April. They will bring those guys in. What is that? What is that process? That's the thirty visit thing that that you're allowed to bring

a guy in really not. They have a thing called Dallas Day that they're allowed that's where they can work these kids out. Dallas Day. They can work the kids out. Now, you could work a kid out at your facility if you want to bring one of your thirty in, but he has to be from your hometown, like Courtland's Sutton from from SMU. If they wanted to work him out at Ford Center in the Ford Center, they could do

that because he's a local kid. Now, they can't take a receiver from US or Michigan one of those places and bring him in because he's not from here. Okay, so if he lives here, well, if he went to high school here, if he went to high school with to high school here, he can do it high school here. Yes, if it's if the longest the DFW is your home, they can work you out here. But the thirty visits mainly is to just to get to know Jerry Stephen Jones,

sit down with them, visiting all that kind of. They'll be walking around over here to the cafeteria, We'll get to see the kids and then the Dallas Day though, is more about physical workouts for maybe guys that are down the line that they might be late draft picks or a priority free agent. Did the Cowboys bring Cole Beasley and Floyd He did? Yeahallas Day, Yes, he did. Yeah, yeah, So when's the draft show this week? We go tomorrow. I know we usually go before you guys on Monday,

but we have the combine wrapping up. We're gonna wrap it up tomorrow, Dame Brigo, David Helme and myself. We'll get that done ten am tomorrow, So saying am tomorrow, stay tuned for that brought us. We appreciate it, man, Thank you for making Thank you man. I appreciate you. Guys, we come back. We will have a legend and a legend on the show. If you didn't get nothing else out of this show. To remember flexibility, flexibility, flexibility on hanging with the boys give me hard to find the

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What was that, Douglas? That was a Drew Pearson touchdown from October nineteen seventy seven hosting Washington at Texas Stadium. I missed that. Could you play any game? Yeah, I'll tell you what good play it twice. You know you are a big deal when they have a piece of artwork in the star that has your likeness on it. If you've never been to the star. The hail Mary, frame by frame is hanging about forty feet in the

air all the way down to the bottom floor. So if you ever come check that out, you can even see there's an orange being thrown at Drew catching the ball and I started to catch that too, did you, Drew that? I like that? Wow, that is a super piece. When the first time I saw that, you know, I'm not kidding, brought tears to my eyes because to be honored and commemorated like that, something that will be there long after I'm gone and all that kind of stuff,

it's pretty special. Yeah, nobody, nobody in that regard does it like the cowboy man, I tell you, but he has that same type of deal in one of the local taverns. Oh is that right? What they got him? Turning one up top of the bottles? Even know where that is ortalized? It Christie's And I'm making an ortograph before we leave. I didn't tell you, but this is a story for another time. Me and Kurt actually hung

out last week. Last week, Christie's Wow came to Uptown for for his anniversary and wh man, we'll get into that later later. So, Drew, what are you? What are you up to these days? Man, what's keeping you busy? Well? UH doing a lot of appearances and things like that, and blessed to UH continue to do that and just open up a spot at DFW Airport in Terminal E Drew Pearson Sports eighty eight Grill eight five and that's been open for two months now. I need to come.

We just got nominated by the DFW Airport Concessions as the Airport Bar of the Year or the National Food and Beverage Airport Fooling and Beverage Awards, so we're excited about that. I try to hang out there as much as I could, intermingle with the travelers as they come through.

I was watching the championship games out there to AFC and NFC Championship game with all the fans or some bad weather going on in the area at that time, a lot of rain, and just before I guess it was a Brady making his comeback against Jacksonville, the satellite went out, you know, and everybody come on, you can't get satellite. That was not a good time to be at the spot, But most of the other times it's been great being there, intermingling with the travelers as they

come through DFW. That's awesome. So before these guys start getting into questions, I want to know the story behind the draft. And you just giving it to those Eagles fans? How did that? Was that? Just spur of the moment? Had you planned? Now, I had planned on saying what I said, but I had never planned on delivering game. I didn't think it would be nothing like that as far as uh, the response that the Philly fans gave me.

Once I was introduced to make that pick. Yeah, and when I come around that corner um after the commissioner announced up next as the Cowboys and the second pick the sixty picking the second round. By the time when he got back backstage, you know, he said, are you ready for this? I said, well, I'm used to get him booed in Philadelphia, so that should make me feel right at home. But I didn't know it was gonna be like that. Okay, And I went down that ramp

Nate and came around that corner. Who they sorry, And every step I took to get closer to the podium, the booze got louder and louder. And now by the time I get to the podium, now I'm fired AMPI mean, where's where's Hermit? I wrote a round on him right now. I was so fired up they threw me a chief steak. I'm gonna get. That's something. I was so fired up,

and I didn't plan on delivering what I said. I was going to take advantage of this time on national TV, and I wanted to do the Cowboys right because I felt honored that they selected me to make this selection. All the great Cowboy players, including Nate right here, they could have chosen for that opportunity, that honor, but they selected me. So I wanted to do him right. So on the flight up there, I'm saying, well, you know, maybe I should do a little more than read the cards.

So I was gonna I wanted to gig them about being an undrafted free agent, you know. So I wanted to say that, but I also wanted to give respect to the organization, and so that's why I had planned on saying what I said. But there's no way I had planned on saying it that way. And as the booze got louder and I got louder, and next thing you know, I'm yelling I'm fired up. They're fired up, and turned out to be a moment that was awesome. Yeah.

Now you're an ambassador for this year's right. Yeah, I'm co ambassador with the great DeMarcus Ware And a lot of that has to do with the Cowboys involvement with this drafting community giving back to the community through Arlington is D and other isds around mentoring and things of that nature. And Cowboys. Of course, they're gonna do it a little different, you know, and ain't gonna be just

about the draft and announcing players. They're gonna try to get the community and then do some things extend it a little more than just the draft and take advantage of the opportunity and exposure. You're gonna get the cost of the draft. Yes, So I'm excited about that and appreciative again of that opportunity. Wow, man, I just sid it all day and listen to him. Any more questions? Man? I mean is it's like, yeah, Well it goes out, man, it goes how many places we go out? Douglass, I

got to watch my language. It's the internet. You're fine. Whatever said anything Shannon hadn't said five or six. Okay, we're in good shape. I have to ask you why we have you here. I mean, you're you're the original eighty eight. You've faced a lot of the same pressures that Dez is facing now. I mean, how do you see this? Everybody's talking about Daz? Will they keeping? Will they not? What do you how do you read this? Well?

You know, uh, it was a tough season, you know, for Daz individually and for the team and for the offense in particular the passing game, and you know it wasn't it's down from the previous year and that type of thing. So you know, when it's over and you have that disappointment, you got to point to fingers somewhere, and unfortunately the fingers have really been pointing at Daz, you know, like he's the reason the passing game hasn't gone, or he's the reason we didn't make the playoffs or

something like that. So if that's the conversation, if that's what's going on, man, you know, I think we might need to take advantage of that. Okay, what I mean by that is, I know, with this AD eight and I know with Michael eighty eight, if somebody's talking negative about us and telling us we can't do something, that's all the motivation we need to prove them wrong. And

I know Daz wearing eighty eight. If we give him another opportunity to show what he can do and be that receiver he was before the last couple of years when injury started accumulating, and that's you know, that's a deadly sin for a wide receiver. You know, we don't want any injuries to our legs or hands. Those are our bread and butters. Sometimes the accumulation of those things, you know, we have to make adjustments in our game.

I think Dez will do that. But if he's hearing all this negative talk and they work it out where he does come back, boy, I think we're going to get a heck of a football player because he's going to be motivated to prove people wrong. And that's what the double hs are all about. And I know Dez has that DNA in him and that's what got him to where he is now. And so he just asked to work hard get it back. And if the opportunity is here for him to play again, man, let's take

advantage of that. Was it in your career? Was it any situations like that where it became down. I know they didn't mean to have the free agency now that then that we have now. But was any moments like that in your career where he's where people say, well, we don't know if Drew got it now? Well, yeah, actually, Nate, that's a good, good question because in eighty three, actually it turned out to me my last year and because I had that car accident in eighty four, had forced

to retire. But yeah, Butch Johnson, they were talking about taking Butch and putting them in my spot, you know, I mean all offseason they're talking about this. We get to the preseason. You know, back in the day Nate we played preseason, we had we had six of them to get I'm glad they dropped it down to four. Yeah, and uh, you know, so it was a process every

year going through the preseason. You played you know, so many quarters or snaps early and then as you built up to the end of the the preseason, now you're supposed to play three quarters because coach Landry wanted you to get the field of starting a game, playing through a half of a game, then going in the locker room making adjustments, and coming back out in the second half and getting ready to play well in the final preseason game. In eighty three. I come back out in the second half.

They put Butch Johnson in there, and I'm upset. Okay. And after the game, I go in there and talked to Dan Reeves, who was the receiver coach, and I'm laying it on him. All right. Everybody in the locker room could hear me and all this and uh, but they were telling me that Butch was They wanted Butch in there. Dan Reeves was really pushing Butch. But that just motivated me. I felt this through the off season.

I had the best offseason I had every I didn't even drive my car, Okay, when I went to the store, I ran whenever. You know, I'm gonna get grocery. I'm carrying groceries. I was. I said, I'm gonna be in the best shape I could possibly be because Butch was talking all this noise, He's gonna take my job. So that motivated me. And I started out the season. I had thirty thirty catches in the first five games, and

for us back then, that's a lot. And because I was ready to go and I put Butch down here, so anytime the motivate even coming in as an undrafted free agent, somebody's telling me. You know this is now, I'm AD eight. But no one knows what ADI eight's all about then. But now you're trying to set a legacy. When you come in as an undrafted free agent seventeen rounds of the draft, bourn and fifty two players, you know, somebody's telling you you ain't good enough. You know that

I've forgotten that me that motivated me as well. Yeah, well, Butch Johnson went to Denver with Dan Reeves. It's like, okay, so you want him, you got him? Yeah. Well, actually at first they traded. This is even after my car accident in eighty four, that Butch had talked so much noise and burned so many bridges. They still traded him, knowing that I was not going to make it back and play again. They traded him to the Houston Oilers

and then the Oilers. Uh he got cut by the Oilers and Denver picked Oh wow, yeah, and so you know Butcher's original, Yeah, just crying the whole time. You know, he played behind me and Tony for eight well me eight seasons. You know, he was always pushing us, and that was good, you know, the competition, seditiveness that's good because he was good. You know, you could be talking to him right now instead of me, that's how good he was. But after a while, I said, hey, he

ain't gonna get nothing over here over there. Tony said, why are you sending him over here? Tony went to going a little deeper, a little fast. He said, why are you sending him over here? I said, well, you want nothing over here? Yeah. Yeah, you gotta find whatever you can to motivate yourself. And I think, if you know, Dez is a cowboy going forward, I think he'll be a motivated Dallas cowboy and tried to prove a lot

of when Dez was a rookie. I remember hearing you do a postgame show and people were asking about you know, when when somebody comes in and tackles Des he doesn't go down and he takes about three extra hits, and you said, well, he'll learn not to do that. Well, he never learned, and maybe that's one of the reasons he's had the injuries he's had throughout his career. Yeah. Maybe so. Yeah, he was pretty reckless as a runner. But in the NFL, you know, you got to a philosophy,

theate to live to play another day. Okay, you know gotta you gotta know when to hold them, know when to fold them. In the NFL, and if you can fight for that extra yard, yeah, you gotta go get it. You know, that's our that's in our DNA, that's how we are built, right to keep fighting and stuff like that.

But at the same time, you know, if you if you're fighting for that extra yard and you know that guy's coming, and you know back in the day, you know they could stand you up and hold you here they coming, damn you know, so you had to know when the duck and get down. You gotta make business decisions sometimes business decisions. But that's what Daz has to do. Now he's an older receivers not the same. Yeah, so

now you got to make adjustments. And one of the adjustments that is when you know, take the hit or go down or something like that, fight for the extra yard. I never would condone anybody running out of bounds. I hate when I see that, you know, especially with a receiver or running out of bounds, and they could cut back and they run out of the run out of bounds and they could get that four or five yards. And now you say well, I didn't know. Big deal.

While you get down to inside the red zone, you know you're now the four or five yards make a big difference. Right. What's what's one thing that's changed in the game now from when you played that you see something that really stands out to you? Just to practice, the time, the commitment to practice and meetings and stuff like that. I know they're here most of the day, but how much times put on the practice field, you know, I think it's limited by the collective bargaining agreement. Yeah, uh,

you know the owners they'll give you that. Okay, you don't want you want less practice time, Fine, we'll give you that. You know, we we'll take bigger cut of the share of the money, but we'll give you less practice time because they don't care about you once you

sit on that field. Because if you don't, if you get go on the field with the limited practice time, you go out there in Nate and shorts and T shirts and a helmet and trying to get prepared to play at the NFL game at NFL speed between those NFL side lines, you know you ain't prepared for it. One of the questions they asked me is how many how could you only miss three games in eleven years. Well, we were in were conditioned for the physical part of

the game. We hit in practice even in throughout the season. We got that we're rolling for the division title Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, we're in full pads. We're popping on that first step, you know. So we're conditioned to handle the contact. And I think with the limited practice and the things that these coaches can do with players in practice, I think in the long run, it hurts the players once they step on the field. That's why you see so many

injuries in the beginning of the season. Your whole players out in preseason. You don't want any contact this and how what the game is contact. Now you go go in again to an NFL sidelines and the contact is real at NFL speed, and you get hit for the first time in six weeks, you know there's a good chance injury might happen. So that's the biggest thing I don't like it about the game is that the limited practice time, the limited time to formulate teams, the changing

of players on a consistent basis. God blessed these coaches to keep coaching players up because he can, you know, do the whole course of the season, you're you're filling in. You're filling in because you know you're going to have to deal with injuries and you got to find players to fill in. I guess that's why Will McClay got extended, because you know, I mean, that's a big job now in the NFL to continue to find talent to replace talent because some injuries and things of that nature. Yeah,

ye had. We also hear a lot of talk about Dak Prescott and does finding that chemistry at connection you play with two of the greatest and Starbuck and White, does it really make a difference having that connection, that chemistry with the quarterback. Absolutely? Absolutely, you gotta have it, and it's all about it's all developed here in the facility in the building, and it ain't like going to dinner and all that kind of stuff. I didn't need

to go to dinner with Roger. You know, by the time practice ended, I've been with this guy eight nine to ten hours a day. I don't need to be in the house. Well, hey, I see you later, Roger. Okay. But you know when we were there, we worked, you know, before practice, running routes. I mean, we had to get out there early. You know, before the team got out there, we're running routes, working on things that we'd have in

the in the game, playing new things. And even though the old routes, I can't tell you how I'm wrong. How many times when run that eighty three routes ten yards, start rolling it to twelve or the sideline. Our time timing was so impeccable, and it was because the reps. Reps, that's all receiving is running routes over and over and over. But at the same time, if you want your receivers to get open and have a chance to be successful, you got to give them routes to run. Okay, you

can't have a limited route tree all right. Tony Hill had the same route tree as Drew Pearson, but Johnson had the same route three is all of us. You know, It's not like we have a route three for this guy because that's all he can run, and that might be limited to three routes. Now, you know, we had a ten route route tree from one to zero, and everybody ran those routes. Everybody was required to know how

to run those routes. Everybody practiced those routes, so Therefore, you know when I had this ship to the slot or Butch go to the outside. He could run the same routes. So I would run if I was out there, and now I'm running the same routes he could run if he was in the slot. And Tony Hill and we are, we are in the change. We didn't have the guys staying on the same side like he doing. He spread seeing, he spread offenses mostly nowadays. That's in college.

In high school, you and and and everybody don't had the same ability to learn. Uh, everybody in the same had the same i Q. But I found out because I want the smartest guy on and in our classroom, I mean, we had some guys that just knew the game. But through them and through good coaches, I was forced to learn the game and I was forced to learn some things, especially when it came to the whole big picture. This is why you're doing what you're doing, because over

here is doing what they're doing. And it all comes again. So when when when Dad has to this season, it's gonna be a cram session. But he has to understand why you have to know the whole route tree, because if you can run every route making it almost look the same in certain instances, that opens up other things for other people. But if they say, okay, well Dad's gonna do a deep out, He's gonna just run straight down the field, what does that do for you other

guys in the same way with the other guys. Okay, Kobe's he's just gonna run an option route. That's what you're doing every third now, Jason, when we know you're just going four or five yards down the scene, what creativity is that? Now? And and you know these coordinators that defensive they you know, they had all offseason to study. Yeah, they had to tape, they had stuff there. So now what they're studying is the things you do well, not the stuff you don't do well. They're trying to take

away the good stuff and things you do well. So what do you do as an offense? You know, you

know you got to make adjustments? And every year we went in the training camp, Yeah we kept the same basics to the offense, but we knew, okay, that eighty three route all right, this time we're going to run it and work on it with Drew in motion as opposed to standing out there, you know, or Drew coming across the backfield running it it excuse me, in motion, you know, and you come up with different ways to make adjustments because you know your opponent is going to

make adjustments in trying to stop you. So you now you got to come up with ways to beat that because now what do you say, Well, we're not going to throw the ball and Drew anymore because they're concentrating on him. No, you got to find a way to get it in there. And uh, you know, Roger, some of the best routes are the best things that we hit were when we were in double when I was double covered. I thought we come out the huddle and say, hope we get double covered because now you got that

cornerback bumping you. He let you go. Now you're up on the safety. Oh my god. You know what I'm saying, that's like stealing. You know the reason he's a safety, you know, And I'm like, oh, Rod, just bring it. You know, we wouldn't want to run on him because now you just get that ball in my hands. You know, everybody talking about the radius, every saying no, I told Roger,

area code, get it in that area code. Okay, yeah, yeah, I don't know what that radius is, but I think it's a little bigger than the natural receiver's radius and its arm extended. You just get it there. And here's another thing. Roger never ever threw a bad pass or Danny White either. It was always my fault if I didn't catch it. I come back to that hull. It's my fault. Rod, I should have had it. I should have had Well, that's same with Mike was Yeah, that's

saint Man. Might be like my bad Trump and my bad I got it. Yeah, and yeah, I'm kind of mentality you have to have as that man, the man at the break position, because you're setting the tone for the rest of the receivers. I knew I was at guy even't talking twenty Hill was bad. Okay, we both went over a thousand yards and seventy nine. I was going to the Pro Bowls and then Tony comes. Now he's going to the Pro Bowls. But the point is we had two Pro Bowl receivers out there and it

made us better. Yeah, and that's what that's kind of what you want. So well, Drew, this has been awesome, man. Thank you for stopping by, Kurt, Thanks for thanks for bringing him by. Yeah, I'm probably gonna depart two. I'm walking mister Pierson out here. Let's give him his highlight. He missed it, Okay, all right, let's give it again. Kare comes to Blas Roger going deep for drill down the sideline twenty twenty five put ten put touchdown. That

was Cowboys, And you would not believe the spike. The Drew person just put on that ball. You know what I did? I will I think his name was, Yeah, it was Gerald Williams, the cornerback, and I beat them pretty bad down the sideline. But I did the windmill spike and came right to my leg. Yeah, and it was a bad, bad spike. Yeah that day. Thanks for who that is behind the scenes back there. That's Douglas. Oh you spell check the man. Why don't you say

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He's a fun some stories. You know what I took out of that? You know the big takeaway that I took out of that, Kurt He is saying the same thing that Nate has been preaching since we started on this show, which is not to learn the route. I'm telling you if you this is what's so funny, is you remember to catch avan hopperhead gets to forty nine US at first you went to the Super Bowl. M hm, this is so funny. Mike in the huddle, call the protection. They called it, they called the route tree and and

Mike say, no, Alvin, I'm catching this ball. Go to the other side. They run to the other side and slants the coverage over there. So that puts some Alvin, But Alvin knew Mike's route. Mike knew and they didn't think about it. Yea, they just did it. You got to be able to run all the routes, and you ain't got to be great at every route, but you gotta be fishing enough that you that they have confidence that you're gonna come and be at the right place

at the right time. So you know, I've seen this offense, and I agree. You can basically run the same routes, but like Drew said, we're gonna run the eighty three route and bring him into that right there, so that makes the mouth of the there man a zone or whatever coverage they want to run. It may switch up just because you start at one place and went to another place, but you still can run that same route because you may be running against the coverage. Maybe the

coverage may allow you to run that route. Now that now that you went into motion. Yeah, he same stuff you've been saying for a year. Yeah, hey, keep your base offense, keep keep that, but do some different packages. Put him in motion, run run three to one side and to change it up and that is where it dad. And see that ain't got nothing to do with to me coaching. That has and that has everything to do with the with the player. And how's knowledgeable you are?

Because one thing I learned in this league, y'all should know by now. If I am the man, I'm like, oh, no, coach, we gotta do something else different here. So you challenge your coach and in turn it challenges you. And as long as you and ye with the offense, they got to get better. So you think the coaches are hesitant to do something things different because maybe the receivers aren't

totally nominal. I'm not saying that you want cold B's the outside all the time, but Colby's all those outside routes. So can you getting matched up on the lineback out there are safety because we saw that during the playoffs where you saw guys wide receivers being matched up like how wide were seing line back on the wide receiver. You know that they're chomping at the bit. You know the quarterback he's still trying to look away like knowing

I got this same. You know what I'm saying. So if you, as a player can challenge the coach to give you something new. You know, let's do something different. You know, I need the ball? How do I get the ball? You know? Just it just just the system. Man, What do you work? What were you working on with him? What's your building? We had him, We're working on some documentaries. We had several stories. Actually, we asked him about Tony Dorsett was one. UM. We asked some some stuff about

the draft. He had some great stories about that. Um. What else. Percy Howard is a former player teammate of his. We asked him about and Everson Wolves, I mean those kind of those four. So he's we need to do a documentary on him. He's he's got some great stories to tell. Yeah, he's not scared to tell him now. He does not lack for confidence. You know what's amazing is just about every big play and it ain't failed me yet when I've listened to him, just about every

big catch he's made. He knows a guy who was I was gonna say, he remembers, yeah, you know how the how the play went down. The guy's name Michael like that too. Nah. I don't think Mike likely because all Mike thinking about it himself. You don't want to. You don't care who the guy was, just the guy and True definitely agreed with Vernon Lundquist that that was

very nice. Spike, Yeah, he won't remembered it. He wanted to hang out in here after after he got off the air to why we were playing as highlights over the uh over the podcast and he was just sitting here, Go, man, I want to sit in here and watch these highlights. Yeah, he's great. Where can we watch these documentaries that you got that'll be part of our Deep Blue series? So

we're working on them now. Probably the earliest had come out as August and then in the fall, so we're we got several on the works, so I think they're gonna be pretty good. Awesome, you know, when you're gonna do one on Nate. We needed no, no, No worry about Nate. But the thing that has been we've been debating to night and I hate to keep hiding it is you know they you know a lot of guys get talked about doing all the season, getting moved around

and stuff like that. And you know, Kurt kind of brought your name when you went into Mexico, like do we really need no no? And it runs a ship. Okay, we don't have much time. We don't have much time, and by next week this will be holding news. You asked me to get some, Jerry, and so I found a cut Jerry that cuts to the to the bottom line. This this is a quick cut. Okay, it's all it's Dez and Jerry. He's asked about what's going on with

des and does he want him back? And he bottom lines it right here and this is this was at the cop asked me as I sit here, do we want him on the team next year? The answers yes, And that's it. Wow, that's that was That was the bottom line. That was the bottom line. I've got a minute twenty cut, but we don't have him minute time. Listened to it the whole I'm which, do you listen to it? Yeah? Yeah, it was. It's on Dallas Cowboys that you know it is? How can father uh tone?

And and what he's saying is so different than good cop bad that I'm saying, Bro, It wasn't no good cop, bad cop. It was one was saying. Yeah, that's prison time. So go check that interview out. It's on Dallas Cowboys dot com. Jerry. Every year at the combine, he brings the media onto the Cowboys bus and holds court and it's what about a fifty minute interview. Yeah, there's a lot of good stuff. Yeah, there's more going on right now than you're than you think about when you hear

all the things that they ask him. So it's well worth it. Yeah. About nine minutes in, I think is when all the death stuff is. So yeah, check it out. Well, we have run out of time. Kurt, thanks for showing up even though you were late, but it was well well worth it. Nate, thanks for bringing it. But I'm just naying, you know, Kurt, No, you want to When I find Nate he hangs out, which this is what

gets me. Hangs out. Which hosted two shows, two shows I hosted, and you know how uh Douglas described him. I was very NPR like, I don't we need you here for the energy man? That was solid. I mean, so the content was at the speed kind of boring, right, So I didn't NPR is just a different time of day, different we're at We're right at noon. We're getting people ready to we need food, we need Shannon's Happy Yard,

getting ready to hit the town. Energy. We need to do this show from West any Man isn't as dvs Ida Coveny, Grandmama Douglas. Thanks for doing what you do, Kent, thanks for pushing all the buttons. We will be back next Monday at eleven I guess yes, normal time, normal day. All right, we'll be back next week hanging with the Boys. This has been a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. You po