Hangin' with the Boys: 17 and 10

or AM live from the Star in Frisco. You will shortly be looking out at Tostito's championship plaza here at Ford Center at the Star in Frisco. There just sixty two degrees, feels like sixty one degrees. It's gonna be sixty six high, and tonight it will be forty at Chile, forty one degrees. Fellas seventeen games, seventeen games, more football. How are y'all doing today? Nate, you're smiling, Kurt, you're smiling. Jesse's texting the trailer park. What's happening? Fellas well? He

just got out of shower. He worked strong on the trailer park today. He just got out of the shower. You know, hey, listen man, you know, man, when you're dealing with them hogs, man, you can't. You got you got to be ready, baby, you got hey, hey, be kind of prime called me the Hawks and don't do that. You work. Oh man. So we got more football now,

we got seventeen games, three preseason games. If you ask me, there's no way they're gonna stop until you get eighteen games, because now you have one more either home or away game, and they alternate each year, and that's just not good for the bottom line, is it. So we're gonna have to even that out to where we got to have an extra home game for sure every year. Right at some point, that's where we're heading. I love it. I love it. I love it. I don't know I love

it if I was playing, I love it. The preseason games. I mean, it's where I tell on the body. But you know, there's more money for the players. Uh really, let's let's let's let's let's say it may not be a great amount more, let's a little bit more. Let's it's a little bit more. I'm glad that you said that. I'm glad to stop Jest. You're not gonna take away my glory brow, Jess, I'm not. I'm just going to go ahead on, Jess. I want to hear what the

great one has to say. Because when you start talking about there's more money for the players, right right, we all know that this league is top heavy, right all that you're the bulk of teams. Salaries go to a small percentage of the football teams. So when you talk talking about more money, yeah, your quarterbacks will get more money, your your your your top tackles will get more money.

But when you start talking about the triple down effect is the quarterback will get more money, the defensive tackle will get more money, I mean defensive vading more money than off your attackle will getting more money. The owners are getting more money, But what about the bottom part of that roster who takes the same beating, go to the same training, can't put the same amount of game. Guys like Jesse Holly, we don't really get a huge increase.

Always bringing we're always about Jesse. If I don't think about the little people, who will me Because I'm a person I have I can never be a little person. But I was in your category. But but but you are in the category and then you elevated out. I would say this, young Jesse. I would say this, young Jesse,

this is a plus. This is a positive. Uh and for God, for coaches, which is most coaches who like veteran guys that give you a libit of leadway on a young guy, you know, getting into the season quick and taking away of preseason game. But I'd tell like this him my friend. In the long run, maybe not these first few years, but in the long run, I think this to benefit the players, you know, and I know, to benefit the fans, and to give you one more game to gravel and crowd over your team. We just

had one more game, maybe would have guy THEID. We'll win this one more game. You can get into playoffs. This deal is one hundred percent about the owners. It's a long term in all of the terms. Because just one game. Just think about this, like, for example, the Dallas Cowboys and their seventeenth game of the season will play the New England Patriots. That that's gonna be a sold out game. Regardless, that's gonna be a sold out game, whether it's in uh Foxborough or whether it's in Arlington.

That's going to be a sold out game, So that means more increased revenue at the concession stands, parking, more merchandise, more shadowed, more, more, more, all of that. Like this deal. And this is the part where I jes quick, Jesse, stop stop quick counting how the folks money, bro, I'm not counting that you are for the people that you've helped in this world and things that you've done. Stop counting, mister Jones money. I get y'all that damn money. That's

good money. But my thing is I'm gonna get that's another week that we have to work, So I'm gonna get an extra ten dollars for those weeks that we have to work. So I'm cool with that. But I just get a little bit upset when you look at our CBA and the leaders of our CBA, the more Smiths at and I was That's what That's where I was going next was because this is nothing about this deal is really a player friendly. Nothing about like it's

it's all owner friendly. And this is the thing when when I talk about the the the players having the worst CBA leadership, the players union leadership, we are worse than basketball We're worse than baseball. We're worse than the NHL because here it is, we give the owners a seventeenth game, and uh, we're and the thing is that we locked in for ten years and they we're locked

in for ten years. So at going back to negotiating table, we can't do this thing about like, oh, like, how was it that we didn't think about TV money was coming up? Seventeenth game was coming up the agent as I negotiate. I don't know all I can say, but do you think I saw it? One theory that said, because of the extra game, the longer season, you know, the league has trended towards younger guys, you know, young

fresh legs, that sort of thing. And this one person was saying, well, this might be an opportunity for maybe these veterans who know what's going on, add a little bit more depth. This might be an opportunity where you may see a shift where teams add I don't know if I believe that, but what do you think is this an opportunity for maybe some of those guys to stick around on the league longer who already know, you know, your career becomes shooter, you know, for a guy that's

hungry and a guy that's young. It's that vanish but you see how to find that coach that's going to believe in you. It's still a veterans league at this point. But I'm telling right, hill Man, one more game being played is not gonna hurt these players one way another because we just got a Union guy saying, hey, look at this, we had no preseason games, had the best best league year of our life, which wasn't true. Everybody's possed through Jesse. One thing you said that was so true.

The owners won like you would not believe. When it comes to revenue for this extra game. Now they don't have to guess at a preseason game how much revenue they got getting depended on who they playing and what time of the preseason is. They know this seventeenth game gonna be a sellout, so and even and even in the preseason, even in the preseason, because now you have you know, uh, normally you see the intendance kind of

grow as we get to that third preseason game. Well, now you eliminate one of those dead preseason games, and now the action is more it's more packed because I don't have that extra game in that extra week of operation to get my guys going for the season. So yeah, you might see the first game, it might be that all kind of rookie game, but game two of the preseason, I gotta get my veterans ready to go to last game,

and then this is the game number three. I still might have to get my veterans some playing time and then maybe in the second half getting my younger guys, bubble players some playing time. So the attraction to those preseason games is a win again for the owners because the attendance is going to be greatly because the games will have more of the recognizable faces that we know when we love getting them ready for the regular season,

which you'll be right around the corner. Now that you only have three preseason games, do you think they should should they have added a second bywary, I do that. That's one thing they should have added. They should added a second boy, I think they'll probably do that. He just feeding jesting softball out of softball. You love your old bottles, call them them lagos, and he taking them straight out of Wow, good hurt. Once they go to an a teenth game, which I don't think they can

get to eighteen. Because of the collective bargaining agreement, it'll be a while before we see eighteenth and that is the only chance they have. That's the only chance they have to come back to the players, and the prayers are praying, Okay, we can just get them to believe in this eighteenth game that shannon't want them to have, then we can we can crack into this thing. But other than that, jes right, wow, wow, okay, and let

me let me be. Let me be on the record of saying, now, here's how the owners will get to the eighteen game season. Oh my god, we gotta go through this because we go to a break Shanning before they know. No, we cannot be fault. It's my fault. And here's how the owners, because the owners, they keep these things tucked underneath, and we just don't play the cards right. But the owners will say, hey, guys, got

a little something for you. How about we take one of those years of those franchise tags off if you give us an eighteen game season now to take regular and go for that. Now the regular. Now you should tell the union now that don't benefit us. Look out now, the the guys like me and you should start like, hey man, Nope, they're gonna say, you know what they're gonna say. They're gonna say, na, man, she ain't table quicker. There's no money for you guys to have another We

got an eighteen game season. Maybe they say we get you a half percent more more lot. They they donna try to say, I'm gonna take one of those franchise tags off. So we're gonna break one time stopping Shannon. Okay, we're gonna go to our first break early because Nate said so when we come back, we'll have more hanging with the boys. Right back a commercial break, Say you

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yeah he was gone, Jesse good. Yeah. I never want to hit the truth. Yeah I'm fine, y'all. Just never want to hear the truth. Man, salute to my coach, Coach Williams. Yeah, we're talking about set for the for the Cowboys. No, we're not talking about safety for the Cowboys. He'll never coached me and I never played for him. I thought everybody I'm talking about, I'm talking about the legendary Roy Williams, the head basketball coach at Kansas and

at the University of North Carolina. After thirty three years, my guy is calling it quits. Um. He is going to golf. He's going to just spend this time golfing the rest of his days. Uh. What an opportunity, with a great opportunity. I got a chance to play for coach Williams. And it was interesting because coach didn't recruit me out of high school. He was at Kansas when I was coming out of high school and coach Matt Dhardy,

coach recruited me. And then when Dardy got fired and Roy came on, we had a phone call and he said, listen, Son, I didn't recruit you. You weren't on my radar, he said, But if you're good enough for coach Dharty and that staff to want you here, I'm gonna honor what they told you, and I'm gonna honor what they do, but

you'll earn everything you get. And I said, that's all I asked for, and he gave me an opportunity, and I was a part of the team that won his first national championship and two thousand and five, I hosted Late Night with Roy in two thousand and seventeen where he didn't want another national championship. And I think, you know, get old ball coach Van, He's just he's up there in age. He's had some health issues in the past. And you know, he went out on top his last

regular sy at home game. He beat the Brakes off Duke And so anytime you do that, you can go out. You can go out on top. Soul salute to Coach Williams. Enjoy golfing, enjoy time with Miss Wanda. And I know once you're a Carolina tar Hill, you're always a coming on a tar So I know he'll still have an office in the building, just like coach Dean Smith did before he passed, and he'll still be around a program.

And so thank you Coach Williams, and enjoy retirement. Can we you recruited for basketball and then went out for football both. It's recruited for both, and we decided on taking a football scholarship because there was more there than it was in basketball and allowed them to bring another player in. So how much did they pay you to play basketball? Jess? You're given soul? Jess. I love that always. Jesse, you got you got the scholarship for the football. How

much cash did you get for the basketball? What a second? That were you on the second? Yeah? Player ain't never giving that. I want to go to Hey, how big about? What about the Cowboys talk about talk about that rivalry? The draft is about the way talk about talk about the duke rivalry? How how crazy is it the week or the day that you guys play duke? The week

is crazy, the day is crazy. The rivalry is It's like it doesn't end when the season is over, Like there's still a divide between the people in Durham, North Carolina and the people in Chapel Hill in North Carolina. And there's so many places that you know, like the mall sits in between both Durham and North Carolina. So the big mall that everyone goes to sits in between Durham. So you you you're likely to see someone from from from Duke Carolina eight miles. It's eight miles straight down

fifty Highway fifteen five on one. So like the movie, theater, the bowling Alley, the restaurants, all that stuff sits right in the middle of all that. So there's no telling when that you might You might go to the Applebe's and to the chilies or or to the State House or whatever, and the likelihood of you seeing someone from the school and Durham it's very, very high. Do you steal your respective campuses the party unless you're heading out

to Rileigh somewhere. But you know it's it's it's so close, but it's so far apart. It's two separate, different worlds. But the writer is real. It's fun, it's intense um and it can get up a little nasty every now and again. Yeah, Nate, who is the Florida A and M's big rivalry Thune Cookman College And neither one of us is doing nothing now, so you don't get to feel that. We felt that when I played a little bit,

but it's been none existing. The thumb and beating it breaks off us, So it doesn't matter, not a rivalry anymore. Oh yeah, so I'm sorry to hear that. Well, what about so college, Shannon, How Well, you went to seven so out of the seven, which I went to school for twelve years, but I only went to one college, so we are big rival. Yeah. Our big rivalry was it was Louisiana Tech. So ULM used to be Northeast Louisiana University, and they they used they were really good.

They would make it to the two A championship game pretty fairly regularly back in the back in the eighties in early nineties. And then Low Tech jumped from from two A to UH Division one, and then they were too good for us, so they lined up canceling their games because Louisiana Tech and ULM were thirty minutes apart. And then we really haven't had a rival really since then, like an arch nemesis. So that was it. That's it. Cool story, Kurt. I went to Kansas for a little while,

so it was case stay. Missouri was a big basketball rival back then. Um, but then I graduated from a little NAI school and I couldn't even tell you who their rival was. Wow, all right for me? About the same, Kurt, let's talk free agency. You want to talk free agency. We'll see if we can get Jesse going on this and then go to our third break, our second break. You don't do that, Yeah, tell us how we lost that to Jesse. Yeah, well, well go ahead Jesse. Actually

actually so, I'll ask you guys this. This is a great question by Kurt because this surprised me too. When Xavier Woods went to the Vikings for one year for two point two five million, and when you talk about defensive backs, that's not a lot of money. That's that's that's that's bottom kind of bottom of the barrel for a starting safety. Why would they let him go when

you're already shallow at that at that position? Does that is it all tied to the comments that he made during the year about the hustling thing, or is it just why did he go for such a cheap amount waiting on you? Yes? Well, great, thank you for letting me go. First, Let's just say that loud and clear, the comments that Xavier Woods made did not help him. That that wasn't something that when you looked at his

overall catalog, it stuck out in a negative way. Since twenty eighteen, his progression has declined and also we talked about the residue of old coaching staffs and old players of that coaching staff still lingering around and being around and being able to usher them out to bring in some new blood. If you're gonna bring dan Quinn in, then you're gonna have to allow him to bring players that he wants to be a part of his system.

So for Xavier Woods, especially when you look at the way he performed last year, there was a lot of buster coverage, a ton of of mis tackles, and I think that this team the way that they're looking bringing in, bringing in Kyan O'Neil, who's gonna a more you know, that linebacker position, and then now maybe move with some guys like Donovan Wilson, who they like a lot last year, Keisy, who they're broken you know they're gonna bring in, and

then they'll probably bring someone else in the draft. You got some other guys like CJ. C J. Goodson, Sorry Goodwin. So there's a lot of guy that will beat in the play of that mix. I think for Xavier Woods, there was nothing there that they saw that was worth keeping him. And I know the price was right, But if you're going to change cultures of how things are going in the locker room, hopping going in the football field.

Then you gotta allow dan Quinn to bring some guys in that he wants that relates to his system and fit into his system. And the one thing that dan Quinn wants, he wants guys who are going to be able to cover. Again, go back and look at what he did when he had the legional boom to what he tried to build in Atlanta as well. He's gonna want guys that can cover. He's gonna want guys who can tackle. And those are the things that Zazias didn't do, did not do in the last two years of being

beat when the Cowboys back in defensive end. So if he's not covering well and the willingness to tackle and to make tackles, if that's not something he did well and that is something that dan Quinn prides his defensive backs or doing, then you don't fit in the mold of what he wants to do. And that's why I think he was let He was you know, not signed back and went to went to Minnesota to play under zim.

Now he might have a resurgence under Zim. I don't know, because sometimes sometimes having a negative thing happened to you brings about positivity being cut, having a fresh start somewhere else, being able to hear a new voice in the new system may help him. But if he's unwilling to tackle, then he's gonna run into the same problem that he

had in Dallas in Minnesota. Because I would like to believe Cozim old school type of coach, old school mindset has some news to new school ways about him, but the toughness and the ability to cover and topple, those are just non negotiables when you're talking about playing for coaches like Dan Quinn and Zimmer and in the National Football League. When you when we got him out of college, the one thing that he did in college well was he brought down the hammer, and as Jesse said repeatedly,

every year that got less and less and less. Now your your your strong suit wasn't coverage at all. The one thing you had was the hammer and you lost it. So uh, then your comments that did not go along with what they drafted you for. So yes, you have to leave. And if you don't do with Zim asks you to do, you won't hang around here. For eight nine games. You won't hang around, Zim. You will be on the waiver while which you're two million dollars, which is a lot, but you will be gone, so that

it's not a big surprise at all. I don't think, no, not surprised, Kurt. Are you surprised, Kurt by the fact that you now only have Jordans and Anthony Brown left at your cornerbacks? So you've addressed the needs at you know, you've signed some safeties, you've signed some defensive linemen, linebacker. You're probably still a little thin cornerback. You're really thin.

Do you do you think that tips your their hand and what they're going to do in the draft or they do you look for him to still add some pieces before we get to the draft. It's gonna be a lot of Oh, I'm sorry, Kurt not It is interesting, and that's you know, in the past to kind of build some depth holes like this too, so they could kind of pick the field, but they haven't really done that yet. Got her mind. I've never heard that word. I didn't know what that word was. Depth holes. I'm

not familiar with that term. In their depth on the roster. Okay, as far as you know, they didn't have to. They're try not to pigeonhole themselves where they have to get a certain player in the draft. But they haven't really addressed cornerback here, and so you know, I don't know if that tightens the window and then that they have to go get one of the cornerbacks of that tenth pick or they freeze them up. I'm not sure, but it's I don't even know if they can do anything

else in free agency. I mean, they've got nine to ten million dollars left and a lot of that's got to go to the rookie class, so they'd have to make some more contractual moves to really bring anybody else in here. I'll tell you, like thisis fellas you know, we've done it before, and it's time to do it now. Every guy that has a chance to help this team improve as a cornerback or as that cover safety, you have to you have to go at them if they

fit the slot. If the slot is ten, and they're good enough to be that tenth pick, Okay, get them, you know, don't don't look back. It ain't no tomorrow. If you have a slight window right now, you signed your quarterback. You've made your prayer that you have a healthy offensive line. Now go get these corners. Let's see what the other guys up front can do. Let's rely on coach Quinn to develop these young guys up front

and to get them going in direct direction. Man, get every corner, every safety that's out there moving around as as as a rookie. I'm serious. If they can cover with some type of skills set and they are solid tacklers, let's get these guys. Let's do not mess around. Let's do not going to training camp saying where do we have enough corners or do we have enough safety? Sometimes you have to sell out. And if these guys are

good enough. Now, if they're good enough, you know by coach quinn eyes and by the pro personnel player direct eyes. If they're good enough, get them. Don't be saying, okay, well we got a alignment that we think that's equal. To know the grade winds on defense. If the grades are equal, they win on defense. Not the greatest better, you gotta draft with you draft, but if the grades equal,

you got to go. And just for lack of a better word, you just got the slaughter the safety and cornerback positions at your draft pick Nate, take everything you can get. I want to. I want to give you props. Your your beard looks better than it ever has that close up shot that Chris just had on you, that one shot. That thing is trim. Yeah, it's neat. It's usually all round. Man, did you get that shape? That? But how did that looks good? But I mean, what, bro, it's a you know, I want to get it once

a year, y'all got it this one year? God, I know about the next week go to be ugly, so it don't matter. But anyway, I'm back on these safeties and corners. So but let me say this with the Cowboys again. I look at dan Quinn's history and what he is as a defensive coordinator, Yes, sir, and he wants to play a lot of Cover three like that is that is going to be? That is so cover three is basically the field is now cut into three thirds.

So you got a third down the middle third, right side, left side third, and your quarterbacks usually play that in You have from the spot that you stand all the way back to this third of the field safety which used to be alive Earl Thomas, you have the third from where you stand back down the middle of the field, and your other corner same thing from where you stand back. So a lot of times it's it's it's gonna play like it's gonna look like man, but it's gonna be

really cover three. And these guys. When you watch Richard Sherman, he would always kind of start up like he was in press coverage and then bail, but his eyes were always looking back into the quarterback so that he's able to jump different routes and so on and so forth. So you look at a guy like Higgs, who I think, you know, got some good reps last year, got some experience. You bring Jordan Lewis back, he's going to be primarily

your your your your dominant slot corner. And then on the other side, you want to maybe draft another corner and have Anthony Brown rotate all around slot, left corner, right corner. Now here's the biggest thing that I'm fearful of in this draft, and the more I look at it, and I'm not some drivet gurgle and I'm not some draft expert, but when you start looking about best available player, if for some odd crazy reason, that freak of nature

pits from Gainesville, Florida. I know where you're going. It's sitting there at number No way, no chance, no way chance, I know, everyone says Trevor looked like very is not good at fall let me go. Bes were affected again. Now there's not Where are we going here? Where are we gonegain So you're gonna give up when you look at forty nine, you got to score fifty every game.

Six foot five with the longest arm span reach in last twenty years and twenty years of eady player in the draft in the last twenty years, there aren't a set of arm that are longer at six foot five running Paul Jones, not even twenty years. How long little twenty years two talks came out He loaned twenty years ago, twenty years Oh my god, runs of four to four, baby called the pharmacy. We gotta take a shot. But no, and and and I heard I heard, I heard Michael

Lombardi say this about a guy like Kyle Pitts. Kyle Pitts make you change what you do on defense if you're gonna go up in line up in twelve personnel right. For those that don't know what twelve personnel is one tight end, two backs, two receivers. If you're gonna line up in twelve personnel, and now the defense has to make a decision. Are you gonna put a linebacker on Kyle Pits? Are you gonna put a safety on Kyle Pitts.

I'm that that that changes whatever you think you want to do, because now if you decide that you're gonna bring in a smaller player, okay, then we're gonna run the ball. We're in twelve personnel. So if you bring in, you know, a Nicola Dome corner to guy to to guard or defend Kyle Pitts. He's good enough to block a defensive back. Maybe he may struggle with a linebacker every now and again. But I like my chances in

that personnel. And then when you want to go, uh, you know, eleven personnel and now you got Ceedee Lamb, Michael Gallup, Pitts, and Amari Cooper out there. Whof that that's a nightmare to deal with. That's only if Kyl Pitts is sitting there. Other than that, and you go with you know, you go with j C. Horne, And

I like jac Horne. I do I like Jon and I like Patrick Soutan, And the reason I like pedigree, I like guys who have pedigree, And both of those guys have pedigree of dads who played in the National Football League, and it's in the it's in their blood, it's in their DNA. Well, they can go out there and just ball out because they've been around their whole life. But I'm just saying they if for some crazy reason Kyle Pitts is still sitting there at ten, I think

you gotta skip corner and go get Kyle Pitts. What day is the draft? The twenty ninth, the tent Thursday. Thank for we got how many days now? Twenty? This is about when when we started getting off of Okay, maybe we got a good enough defense, maybe we got enough players. About two weeks from now, Jessic gonna have like eight offensive names, Kurt might have like six. Don't be sitting there same well you know yeah see see yeah, yeah so Nate, Yeah so Nate. But I do agree

with this here. If if the grade is better on that offensive player, we gotta you gotta go get what's there, and you gotta pray that your offensive coordinate along with your quarterback, said Okay, Now, tempo of game is truly what we have to do. And that's the only thing that scares me if this offensive coordinator along with the head coach, because that's what we'll be here to say, Hey, fellows, we need to rest this defense. We need to try to stretch this out. Because I think our offense has

the ability to do that. But now does our offensive coordinator and head coach want of do that? Because they know how to do it, But do they want to do that? Say hey, you know we need a five or six or ten or twelve late drive. You know, we just can't go down here, score quick because they're gonna throw our defense back out there that's struck. So Nate and drive to what our defense can do. So Nate, you just said you ahead. Kurt, Well, I just I

realized Pets is like a this generational player. But I mean, like the old saying goes, there's only so many balls to go around. I mean, you're adding to it already. Pretty You know, if can't see, you don't have that problem, man, Green Bay, don't have that problem. Can't sit, don't have to fight, You don't have that problem. Man. When you balling and you in your quarterback doing seventy eighty plays

and he's accurate with the ball. Ain't no problem is when you have a bad quarterback, that's when you have problems. Ain't enough ball Because when you got a bad quarterback, that's when that happened. We better not have a bad quarterback. We paid him one hundred and sixty million dollars, so let that man deal. Let him deal son for sure. But would scare me is that you know if we didn't take a guy like Pitts at tenth, well, the Giants pick at eleventh and the Eagles pick at twelves.

You know, you know, you know that Giant and Eagles are saying, yeah, yeah, so Nate did right? So do I think? Did I hear Nate right? Do you want him on your squad? Or do you or do you want to face him twice a year? Nate? You want Jayleen Smith to chase this dude round? You want Laton Viller can't chase it du the round like that? Well, but if Jayleen's chasing right, he gonn swipe him up, swipe up his promotion, swipe run up to him. So Nate,

and I hear, did I hear you right. You bashed Jesse for saying he would go with Pitts, and you tore him up and then came back around you. If the grades good, I see you to say it, I said, I would continue to say. It's Mike Ran like, you know, act like he's practicing, you know, pronouncing words as he talks,

you know. But if I said, was simply that if the offensive player has the bet of grade, and there's a time, but you're looking at him physically, you think it's a time you go to your scout to say who has the better grade and who y'all think fits our team the best. But that but that's what I'm saying. But he will not follow that far. I'm sorry, he will not. Sorry Kurt, if he if he's there, Kurt at ten, would you take him or would you trade back?

Because you're somebody will trade. Yeah, I would definitely think of off I would consider offers for sure, because but they'd have to be good offers, you know, because again, I don't want to trade back far. I don't want to trade back too much, you know, or not get much. But you'd have to consider trading otherwise. I mean, like you guys said, he's a generational guy. Supposedly you gotta be take him late Jewelry and Blake Jarwin and and

and what's the other dons name who? Man, they will be on a they will be on a two pac plane up out of here, just sitting down ten. I don't do not sit up there and trade back? Man? Why not? Why are you getting? I will take them? You know I would draft call Pits and trade them too. Jokers man to Somalia, they go, they they'd be going so quick. Man, don't do that. Please show talking about him. Why are you getting trade trade down? Man? Because get

the best player at that position? Man, that that that trading back? Oh, well he's the same guy. I know he's not the same guy. If here's the same guy here be getting drafted right here at that position, I get. Oh, if there's the same guy, we're good with either one of them. And then all of a sudden we look back two years form now like, well, remember they had a chance at the Pitts kid, and they traded back

two things out and this is what we got. Kits running around on his third Pro Bowl and we're running around trying to say, can we developed this guy? How about you jest you get against trading back or would you trade back very bad in the right scenario. No, I'm not traded back. I'm not trading back either. Either I'm getting the coining back that I won at ten, or I'm taking Cole pitts that those are my only two options. What I'm telling you, man, it ain't failed

us hit. Let's trade down two or three guys and get this guy right here. I think the only guy we traded back up to get with one of offensive linement and turned out great. But normally we traded back and get on traded. We traded up to get get your boy out of lsu lot Claybown. That didn't work out too well for us. What Chris just had a great question. What if someone offered you there one for

next year? So who for the tenth Pierre dropping? What if you're dropping back to just like thirteen or fourteen, say Patriots of fifteen, or you won't see him much. You can get another first round pick, or you can get a blow to pit, you know, a second round or whatever this year. Next year you can still get your still get your your cornerback you need plus some that's not worth So now We're going nine to seven, waiting on next year again. Can't go ninety seven two,

can't go ninety seven? No more, baby, Hey, no more, no more nine seven. We don't turn out to be the greatest. Well we're the greatest that day, oh but better next year we'll go nine and eight with Pitts in a high powered offense and lose fifty to forty five. Every dame, you know what, Kurt used to know. We're going to break pressed, Kurt, Kurt, but I'm telling you our office according anything gonna let that happen again. This year. He gonna control temple. Yes he is night. You know what, Kurt.

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for the show. After Jesse murders my ears with his handling of his phone, it's the time of the show where we turn it over Chart good buddy Kurt, and he becomes the host for the last fourteen minutes of the show. We ring thirteen minutes of the show. Curtain's corner on Amen Corner. Kurt, Welcome to the show, Kurt Daniels. Well, first, first of all, let me let me throw out shameless plug the hell yeah, great job. Draft guide is done. Yeah, this should be available at Shop dot Dallas Cowboy dot

com today or tomorrow, So check that out. It's got some great stuff for our upcoming to the local store and get it. Ah. Yeah, it will be available and several outlets, some of the Krueger's walmarts and stuff around the region. Well, yeah, pick one up. It's awesome. Check it out. A lot of work goes in. They always want to do stuff old school. No, nobody goes into the store to buy magazines anymore. You word on one line and Amazis ships some right to the house in

forty eight hours late. We gotta we gotta get you out of this old school mindset. Brother, we gotta get you first century do nations. Man. That's all I ask. Did you get to Joe? Yes? Thank you? Okay, idea that in a Martin way? Okay, what it's kind to be Martin. I can be Martin, but if I can bring it to you physically, I prefer to that. Okay. And where's my truck driving job? Anyway? You promised me that last week. Where's let's listen, let's talk. Let's talk, baby.

I'm invest, I want to invest. I can make more than ten dollars a show. I got. I got fifty bucks to invest. Let me know where to how to do it? All right, so I won't even get a tank of gas. That won't even gonna take that'll that'll be that'll be the snack budget. Yeah, all right, I got a couple of questions here for you. The first one we were talking about the safeties earlier and dan Quinn bringing in his own guys, and um, we all feel pretty good about Can O'Neill and even though he

maybe playing book some linebacker. Wh how do you feel about the other guy that brought it is? Is it the Kazee, the free safety Kaze? Yeah? He was at last year with the achilles injury um, which as a free safety, a guy who's got to cover that seems like a kind of a scary, scary thing to come back from. You are you feeling good about this guy or is this a position in the free safety? We still need to to do some hunting, need to find somebody, if I'm not mistaking. Out of those two, he was

injured the earliest. Correct, he was injured like October early November in the season last year. I think it's supposed to be back in time. But it's just a matter of you know, is he gonna lose a step that comes again? Um, I think for the way that they want to play it and how he plays that single high safety they play so far back, it's not like he's going to be, you know, up at the line having to cover a lot um again and in that

in that cover three zone scheme. They're passing it off through that zone, and so you'll have you have guys have to get through linebackers. So I think getting him an opportunity to get some preseason reps in getting some off season in and really seeing how he progresses um with whenever they bring in as far as rookies, I think he'll be fine. Again. I'm not looking for Earl Thomas that type of performance. I'm just looking for something better than what we had the last couple of years.

I agree. I agree, until because we got to get him in here without training staff, which he is probably already here, and get him working and see how I trained staff view him, and get him getting and helping him get ramped up to that game type feed because you know you wanted to play a little bit because you don't want all of a sudden here to day of the first game, and he got to fly to one hundred house of an hour, right right, all right?

This is kind of tangent gears a little bit. We talked earlier about Xavier Woods being gone, them gone, A Woozier's gone. The only guys you got left now from that two seventeen draft is Jordan Lewis, who was a third round pick, kind of a you know, slot corner, kind of depth guy. You don't expect him to start on the ends on the outside. And then you've got Noah Brown, a seventh rounder who's your fifth, sixth wide receiver.

He's not even probably guaranteed to make the team. So you kind of have to say that class of twenty fifteen twenty seventeen was kind of a failed draft in some ways. One do you think it was? And two how does that hurt a team when you just have a bad down year like that of a draft? How does this affect him for years to come? You just have to bite the bullet here and and draft better. I mean that it's not exact science on draft and so you took the opportunity to hear, but okay, these

guys are not up to par what you need. But you just have to bite that bullet and continue to move on and go out and draft better guys. If those guys in a position to be drafted at the time that you draft. It's hard to say who work and who don't work. We just always look at the winning teams and seem like they always hit real well, but we filed out New England. Patriots ain't the great drafts we thought they were either when Tom Brady left. So you just think who's running this ship? Man? Man?

It hurts your team because you keep having to restart, keep having to you know, rebuild, and you keep having to reteach and you keep having to read everything. And the part about drafting it's it's it's like it's like children, right. You bring them in and then you want to raise them up to be a certain thing, and then you

want them to go off and do something great. And I think about drafting is you want to bring them in, you want to develop them, You want to you want them to grow in yourself them and then to flourish and to be something great. Now, everyone's not going to be a Pro Bowler, a Hall of Fame or a Ring of Honor player. But if I can get the guy that I drafted in the third round and he's still around for a second contract, that's a good that's a good prospect that grew into what we wanted him

to grow into. If I can get my first round or to be a Pro Bowl player for years to come, and now what that does that gives my team the ability to have death at certain positions. If, for example, if the Cowboys are gonna go in and be defensive heavy, this drive and it's gonna be corners and linebackers and so on and so forth. Right, I need guys like Bradley and I who I drafted a year or so ago on Tristan Hill. I need those guys to step up.

I need these defensive guys that we're gonna draft this year. In a year or two or three, those guys being stepping up because I'm gonna drive some guys behind them. And so now when I have this system of players that have been here, the culture is set, the knowledge is set, and now I can keep building this great foundation of players instead of having to go and get new guys to start all over again. Those guys didn't

pan out. That guy didn't pan out, and so that's a lot of time, energy and effort wasted in guys who don't pan out. And that's the nature of the business. But you want to be able to hit on guys more than you miss, and when you get guys like in the third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh round, to be a hit and to stick around your program to the second contracts to be around four or five to six years. That's when you start developing that system where guys are

playing well, you have a good foundation. Your roster from top to bottom. Is it being flipped so much? We know that. We know rosters get flipped almost fifty percent every single year. If you can lower that, you know your roster only flip forty percent or thirty five percent. That means you have some damn good players on your roster, and that gives you the ability to win more football games because you keep more of the veteran guys around in your football musician. So what if it's now looking

at the twenty eighteen lass. If you've got guys so you've got Layton vander esh who's had injury problems. You've got Connor Williams who's been good. He's been solid. You wouldn't say he's a pro bowler by any means or anything, but you know he was your second round pick. You don't know if he's going to be back. Michael Gallop here's a guy you want back, but you probably can't afford. You know, I've got Doran's Armstrong, who's a good rotational guy.

But had to. I mean, if you're grading drafts like that, if a guy like a Gallop goes on so you get a second contract in another place, does that mean it's a bad draft or is it just the way you know? I guess we'll know. With Gallup, that just was a great pick, and you just seem to be, like jessef explained, you heavy at that position, with a lot of experience peep in this end of money as me and spent. Okay, but well you're talking about ode

linebacker Layton. You don't know. This is a first round peak, my friend, and you just don't know. And that's the scary thing to have. They offered them miss fifth year not yet. May I think the deadlines in the name. Yeah, so if you're high on this person, you wouldn't even have to wait, if you believe that he was all that, you wouldn't even wait. You'd be like, hey, this kid,

fifth year is already taken up. And that's why that's why you have to have your draft picks kind of pan out, because it saves you money of having to go out and buy and pay for other players elsewhere. And if you didn't have to do that, then there would be money for a guy like Michael Gallant, But you said, you know, we can't pay him because we've had a roster of guys who are in their fourth, third, fourth,

fifth year still coming on their rookie deals. So that when you know what I'm saying, But when you don't have that and you gotta keep bringing more guys in, that means you have to keep giving more contracts, especially when you're getting in free agents every single year, if you're getting them in by the boatloads and you're having

to always resign mixed player signed these other players. We signed the players outside of your organization instead of having them pan out on your organization, and then the money is being spent on the outside instead of really being spent on the inside. And a guy that in Michael Gallup, he sometimes put the sugar in the stick because you're saying, yeah, I would love to keep him here, but because these other things didn't pan out for us, we had to

go elsewhere and pay money elsewhere for other things. Now he's in casualty of that because we don't have the funds or be able to master the fund that someone else will have to pay him and he'll go somewhere else and make the money that he feels like he desires. Right, So, I taught Archer at the ESPN had had an interesting stat that in the last twenty years, the Cowboys have

only signed four of their second round picks. The big second Countracts was Andre Girard, Sean Lady, DeMarcus Lawrence Jaln Smith. Randy Gregor is also a second rounder, but he hasn't reached that point yet because of his struggles. But how does that hurt the team that they haven't been able to land these consistently land these second round picks that can contribute to the team long term? And why is that? Why are they not? They seem to be routinely missing

a well one common thread. And maybe I'm wrong, I hope I am. You can't keep drafting injury present to number ding ding ding ding d D. You don't have to say another word. You don't have to say another word. You can say that right there, put an exclumation point on it, a period whenever you want to put on the end of that gorilla blue stop right there. Okay, Well,

that's a good conversation, easy enough, So is that? But you think that's is that a Jerry Jones gambling man kind of person, or you know philosophy, or is that you know it don't help. It don't help to achieve,

It doesn't have your team. Of what jess Is repeatedly said right here, it doesn't allow you to build depth because the unwritten rule in the NFL is a if you draft the defensive player in the first three rounds and they definitely not in the second year, and they definitely ain't giving you eighty five percent snaps, you're in a bad way when you got a defensive player that's been drafted in the first, second or third round defensively and he's not by his second year giving you eighty

five percent of those snaps have been a hellable rotation guy with a super supermotive that's knowing where he's going. Yeah, that's a wasted draft man, because that guy don't get better at this third year. It starts to decline, and now you've got guys going out to dope a Woozier and these other guys. Well, last thing I kind of got here is is that they announced yesterday the NFL said that April nineteenth, from the kind of offseason workouts

get going. It will be virtual. They'll be doing virtual meetings. But as the summer goes along and they expect everybody to get back on the field. We know how much that hurt the Cowboys last year. With a new coaching staff, that's gotta be I mean, they gotta be one of the biggest benefactors of this, of this kid just getting back on the field, the off tablee right. You know, they can virtue all they want. I'll be written back back yard, hate fathers. We're meeting over here in private.

We ain't virtually nothing. We're just rolling and out through uber or whatever it is. And in the backyard they don't, you know the way Coach McCard to say, the dudes were, and that's why they're getting rid of a lot of these dudes. Not smart enough. Come on, man, not long enough, not athletic enough to play more than one position. Come on, Manna, I will forget virtual. I want the reality. Come bring you where I could touch you and see you. Now Here is where you need your leaders to step up.

Dak you need to be on the phone saying ho Olne receivers backs my house. Three as a week, We're gonna watch film we're gonna I got the yard in the backyard. We're good, longed up, Keyan O'Neil, Tank Jalen, y'all need to have y'all position groups at a field, at somebody's house, at someone's field, some private facilities. You know you can you can call all around. You can call Exisos, you can call Michael Johnson, you can call d one, you can call all these places and say, listen,

we want to use the indoor. You know, we want to shut it down at this time, maybe eight o'clock in the morning, at ten o'clock in the morning. Nobody's in there, no cameras, no nothing. We just want to go ahead and get working. Like this is the time when you want your leaders. This is when your time to be leaders. Tank, Keyano, Jalen, Layton, Sean Leef, he's still around, dak Zee, all those guys. This is the moment in time where you have to grab your group

and say now that we have a chance. Even though we're gonna start virtually we can. There's no restriction on us getting together like there was a year ago. Now your leadership had to step up and really put forth the effort to get these guys in here to learn it. Because a guy like Keyan O'Neil and a guy like Kenzie who understands Dan's Quinn system, you should be having those guys like, yo, let me tell you what's gonna look like. Let me share what it's gonna look like.

Here's what I know coach is going to want. This is what a wizard coach means when he says this. Here are some of the checks. Let's go through some of these things. And now you know, Keisi and Keano Neil, you guys kind of take the take the lead on really helping them understand. Because Keyano is gonna play linebacker, so he does the linebacker for this. He's also played safety, so here he can help back there. KESI can help

back there. So these guys have to take a really really really really really big part in this off season of getting things organized and getting that working. All right, kurtin, thank you. Ain't tomorrow fellas, Yeah, there is, because Easter's Tomorrow's good Friday. There is no Ain't it ain't on tomorrow for the Cowboys. Okay, all right, ain't on tomorrow for the Cowboys. It's planning for it's planning for you. Ohanna go You didn't answer any of my questions. You

got any fingers about that? Yeah, I'm ready to go, man, because I'm ready to get this three day weekend started. Here is the draft, man, because you make sure you go get it. Kurt, thanks for letting me take the last segment. All seven eleven, Kurt, I'm yeah, I think so okay. Look at that guy right there, Dy right there. If the number ten, we're gonna have a hell of a show after the draft. So fellas, thank you, Nate

looking good. Who is that man, Kyle Pitts right there in the middle, Right there in the middle, Man, it is Jesse Kurt. And I tell you, Kurt, by the mud out, we're gonna side slipping offensive players in there. Hey, you know what, let's talk about the draft. We had really talked about the draft much. Just get in a little draft talk next week, fellas. Enjoy, good Friday, Enjoy. We will be back next Thursday, same time, same place. Thanks for tuning in, see you later. Hang it with

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