The Cadillac of ham radio and you're tuned into ham radio, a stranger things Pockets. Well, welcome friends back to another episode of the show. And today we have As always, a special episode for you guys and Jasmine are going to be breaking down the script to the 7th episode of stranger things
season. Four, of course, I'm talking about the massacre at Hawkins lab which most of you probably have already seen it. If you haven't, please go to Netflix and do not listen to today's episode because you will be spoiled. But what we're going to do here is it's not really going to be a recap episode. But we're going to be analyzing the script, which was released.
But at the time of this recording about two weeks ago on Deadline I believe and this is the official script folks, I'll link it in the description that the episode because it is the official script. You don't have to worry about any scams going on here, and this will be like this is not just be one episode. We're going to have probably At least two, if not more episodes to Brett's down because there is a lot to get to, there's like seriously over 100 pages of the
script and it's wonderful. And for those of you who loved Who Loved writing script writing all that, then it's like gold right now. So we're going to begin by is just talking about some of our immediate reactions that we had to. Graduate reading the script and just some things that we noticed right off the bat, we're going to this because, you know, Jasmine I did a lot of hard work for you guys like so you didn't have to because we dared sparks notes version. Yes, is the sport that
characterization? Yes. Because nodes. Yes. And so because we care about you guys and we want we want to get this out. Urso Jasmine. Why don't you begin by just, you know, tell the people what you noticed. Yeah, I think, I mean, I'm still working my way through the script full disclosure because it's so much complex. I mean, the other students, helping them hour and a half and the Door of Hope than that.
Because I know you notice patterns and I may not have noticed the patterns because I'm still like going through with a fine-tooth comb. So you're going to notice. Those are actual notice patterns. I have not noticed yet, but First Reactions. I also died. Also did skin larger parts of it too as well. So, I guess First Reactions is, I think it's very interesting to see what they wrote originally
and what wound up on screen. And I think there are several points where like there is a big deviation from what they originally wrote to what we saw on our screens and what would be like the original script versus Cannon, which I thought was very interesting and something that really stood out to me is because I don't think we've ever correct me if I'm wrong. But have we ever seen like an official script like a full? Official script from the show before.
I haven't, I don't really know if there really is one that exists before this one. Other than there was one, it's called mom taught, which is was their original idea. You can find that one out there which is definitely, it's cool. I actually read that script that's like one of the First episodes of podcast ever. So anyone out there you can go back, listen to that. It's it's definitely a lot different than the Issue of all buyers. I can definitely tell you that. I've heard dad's, yeah.
That definitely, yeah. But I don't, I don't know of any others that are that are out there. Maybe whoever, if anyone's out there listening and you have any info on that, you know, please let us know. We'd love to hear that. So because I know they've released because they release portions of those scenes, right? Like on Twitter, they were doing that thing. We have little beds, but not a full script in something that
really stood out. To me, was I hadn't really thought about it. I thought About the dialogue. But I hadn't thought about how they were describing, like the scene directions or the descriptions. That would be for the actors themselves. I really like people really commented on this season. How you know, when you add subtitles on? And it'd be like, squelching loudly, like the this, or like synth-pop, plays ominously, and how great those were, and they
were very descriptive. Which I love because I feel like it, you know, they really described for people if you can't see it. I thought that was cool. And also, I always have subtitles on when I'm watching things, if I'm alone. So I love that. But I hadn't thought about the, the descriptors they would give for the actors. And something I notice is I like they swear quite a bit in the descriptions, which I was not
expecting and I'm like, right? So like I feel like the script is very grown-up because the season because like yeah, you couldn't describe the bads of like, there's a lot Muggers, when the entire class. Well, right? So I feel like that was the change. Like, I feel like if we had, for example, script from season 1, Season 2, Season 3, compared to this script, this was very obviously, like, okay, all the actors are, you know, teenagers?
Now all the characters are older, the tone of the show reflects that, but I hadn't thought about how that would be described. And I'm interesting because I think that really informs for the places where there were ad libs, Over there were changes. I feel like that really informs the actors, like when you read a script, but then like, it dawned on me, I'm okay. Well, they would have read this
at table reads, right? So like, when you're reading the table read and the description is like another one of these guys like it's like, oh man, there's so many of these fuckers. Like, what the hell? I'm like, that's the description you're reading out, like, either. Somebody reads that out loud or you're reading it to yourself. You're reading a before you're married, you're lying. Like, when you prep for because I think it description you like, dude.
His, I gotta say that you'd be given to them and either you do them live or you might get them a little bit ahead of time. I'm not sure how they do. There's every show, does it differently. But regardless, when you're sitting there and you're opening it and you're like, so I thought that was really I like I thought that was that was funny and I liked it. They kind of carried over the maturity and the acknowledged by the like these are not kids
anymore. The entire thing should reflect that and I like that, I thought it was fun. And I think I prefer to have seen other shows where the actors got older and they still tried to go for that younger or more kid like thing. And I, I know some people were like, oh, this isn't me so much darker. I was concerned about that, but when they do, they release that,
you know, ahead of time. But I actually like the end result because I'm like, yeah, I like to thank knowledge and worked, what worked with the grain weathered Against the Grain? Because I've seen it both ways. And that really stood out to me with the script And yeah, I think those are my person first impressions.
What were yours? Yeah, I was gon find because when I was taking my notes, I was watching as I was reading the script and I would like highlight, you know, you know, what was like the same and all that and eventually, I just stopped doing that because I noticed there were so many like minor. Dialogue changes minor movement motion changes from the script of what was the final product on screen and I just noticed that how, how much leeway the actors
have for improv. And I think that's such a great thing that the duffers, trust their actors enough to just let them, you know, kind of dictator control.
What, you know what's Happening. They're not, you know, this has to be line for line, and I really, I really enjoy it because it looks more natural as a viewer to say it's it looks more, you know, Human, I guess you'd say now they were, were there were certain dialogues, that were almost verbatim and you can definitely tell they're like, hey, we need you to say this as close to this, as we have it written as possible.
And a lot of that does come with the relation to the lore, and the stuff with Henry Vick, no one, whatever, you know, and with Brenner and stuff, which I really appreciate them doing that. But yeah, So it was really, really cool to see, just really how much improv there is because, you know, we've heard a lot about Millie Bobby Brown doing a lot of improv. So I'm like, okay, that's expected. But, you know, just to see how much the others improv as well was, it was really cool.
But it's also like you could also say well maybe It's not just solely improv, maybe it's just, you know, revisions or whatever. When they because they like provide the script like five times as you can you can see that like on the second page. So I don't know if it was during filming they decide to make changes and I kind of that vibe to where I'm like these could have been improvs or they could have because they both wrote a direct of this episode.
So like I believe this could have been improper or they could have gotten there the day of they could have run through the lines. Because I watched an interview for some other show, I was watching. And and I said, you know, that the, you know, if you already show that allows improv, the typical rule is you do a take where you do the line, exactly, or you might do a few, if they really loved that line, and then once you've nailed it and they're like, okay, we got it. Then you can ad lib.
And that's pretty industry standard from what I've heard. So it makes me wonder, if like, did they run it through the first time and they would then they got in there, like Ma, I don't know. How that sounds when you're actually saying it or you know, ad-lib it a bit. Like I don't know, I wrote this but I don't know if I'm loving it like you know what, I feel like it could be one of the other cool little bit above. Like, I feel like they these are
good actors. So I thought they'd probably read it through one. So they're like okay let me let me just, you know, take a pot, take a coffee break. I'm just gonna, we're just gonna, we're just gonna mock this up. Yeah. And headed back to them. Also, I think because with Cobra, like I've heard from Mac, things have seen with actors were like Normally, you're like snacking in the break room. Like there's a lot of back of the legs, but with covid you
couldn't do that. So, also kind of in between takes, I could see a kind of be like, oh, are we shooting this word? The re setting up there. Read, cleaning everything for covid, okay? Letting this mock-up the script and give it back to them, like there's a lot more. Like, wait time, that was happening during covid-19. Also see that kind of a, you know, as a writer when you've been working on something, I feel like I could touch that up. I feel like I did this to me.
Little bit. And then the nice part is, you have a gay film for water. I think 360, was it four days or 360 or something like that? Like, almost a full year. Like I think because you have so many takes you've done it so many times, when you go to editing, you can pick which take you feel as the best. Yeah. So I got that sense to I'm like it could kind of be a kind of land. A like a combination of all of all three kind of Yeah, that's where I fell.
Tall. And so what again to few more plot specifics here and, you know, we'll just begin at the beginning of the episode and it's we pick up right? Where we left off with Steve being attacked by the demo baths. And it's basically like Like all the dialogues that was like basically the same as we see it. Laughing. Yeah, you have like the only thing good. Yeah, why is it because like the the essence of the seniors and changed?
I noticed that the actors wear and ad-lib a lot more than in the fight scene, then is in the script and it makes me wonder, I'm like I wonder what they had to interact with because one of his death were brothers. Had was like season 3. It was a ball on a stick into the sea, they wanted to give them something to interact with. So I know, victim was practical effects and a lot of the sets were, but I'm like, I wonder what they were interacting with with the Democrat.
Was it remote control? Like because the winner interact and I'm like, that feels like something you would do. If you were physically interacting with something which makes you wonder if they had. I felt they must have had something. They were reacting to. Uh-huh, because I noticed that like Eddie swears a lot more in the final version versus the script also needs to weigh more active participant. Like the Eddie from the script and I think this is probably why it became such a fan.
Favorite is the Eddie from the script is like this is new to him. So he's a bit more hesitant, he's a bit more. Not reserved, but he's he doesn't say as much, he's not interacting as much where's event? The final Eddie we got was there's a lot more interacts a lot more like he is bewildered by it all, but the minute he becomes part of it, he starts interacting a lot on the same level as the other characters which I think makes them feel more real. So I think that was a positive change.
I also noticed, I had to subtitles turned on. I notice that like when for example like Nancy and Robert are going out for the bats, they're having an Tire conversation about and to the bats and like, yelling and swearing at them, which is not in the script. What I thought was a good addition, is you also see the penguin characters, react, like you can see like Eddie screaming and swearing, but the also gorillas are like trying to get the bats to come to them, so they can kill them.
Like, come on, like they're yelling at them trying to get them to come to them. But in the script they're more like. Yeah. So I like that. I thought that was a good change because like it changes the tone. None of it. And I was just thinking see each characters like development really well there. And like, characterization I should say because, you know, Eddie's freaked out, but he's like, I'm going down swinging and then you have Robin who's freaked out.
But she's like, please, like, come on like, you know, get it, where is Nancy's just had it and she's like, like just going at it. You don't totally enough to like Steve like yeah. And they describe the he takes the the back. I feel like they tried to that practically to look dumb or they just realized when they got there that him like carrying it like it bring in half and more sense, the wisdom of bad like react physically.
I feel like either. They filmed it look dumb or they're like, hey, this would be more interesting. So, yeah, I like like I think ripping apart made more sense. I also appreciated that like they took out, I did. This was a good change, like they go. About Steve's lied about seeing the sights and Eddie's got the backbone the door. Yes, I noticed that one. That's like the biggest discrepancy that I noticed and also Nancy in the script says we can take cover in the woods.
Come on. But in on screen she just says the woods. Come on and they're just you know, look at Woods which I thought was good because you don't really need her to say. We can take cover because it's like, of course you can do that. Just say let's go to the woods. Let's find out, you know. Yeah, and I feel like what they
cut from the sea was either. Like I feel like those that those lines would you did seem that it would have made it more comedic but we're moving to make some more like cinematic and dramatic what you needed to be for you to really feel like the bats work threat. Yeah. Especially because it comes back at the end of the season with Eddie I feel like they really had to sell that to us.
And again I think I'm stuff in the script where it made sense for the writer but then I got to film and it's like, oh, we can cut But this, my personal, they were, they'll proceed to cut for time because I think was like, the entire season was way over what? It's been.
Yeah, the big thing. So, I can see changes where I'm like, if that end of the K and of covid hadn't happened when and it did, if they'd been able to normally, I feel like someone something weird might have been included because they would have had a bit more time. Uh-huh. But their stuff here that I can tell, they're definitely caught it like this in particular but throughout the script where it's like, yeah, that's obvious if you've been following along.
Like there's this part later where when they take cover in to Skull Rock. There's a few parts later to where it's like. Yeah, that's obvious like they come back like Robin says, oh, you know something about them guarding? Oh yeah, blow them up and threw them to get rid of. So, they're stopped guarding the door. It's implied that opposite to guarding the door, back to the right side up because if they weren't, they just go back through the door.
It's obvious and something I appreciate about the show. Is that like this, obviously a show for smart people. Like you have to have a certain level of like critical thinking and like media literacy to get it exact. I appreciate that. They don't dumb that down. Yeah, I appreciate that. Don't hit you over the head with it. They, you know, they and I think those are good at like to take something out when it's like, well, that's obvious. If you've been following along
that's obvious. Yeah, like you said, it makes more sense to include verbatim the things about the lore, which are never going to be obvious, because this is like a thing. Have created and they have the Bible. You don't where's other things? It's like, well yeah and that situation this is just a logical conclusion. We can all make it ourselves. We don't need this to be like spoon-fed to us. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
I appreciate that about this show as well because right before they leave do of the woods, they turn back and they noticed the bats circling around the gate. So as an audience, it's Slide here. They can't go back through that because the bats are guarding it. So I do appreciate they don't, you know, say to the audience do you get that you know exactly go in, you know, bats are there and it kills me when you when films or TV shows do that. And, you know, I'm not trying to
call out, you know, any certain. But I noticed that a lot on Hallmark movies. I'm just on you. It's like someone Right here. You're like it's sometimes it can be a little cringe because they do that and it's like you don't sometimes good cinema is just having your characters just be quiet and just let the filming the views speak for themselves. That's what I really enjoy about the Duffer's and their writing style.
Yeah, I feel like that show not tell and it's very they tell you the things you would not understand otherwise the upside down. But everything else is there showing it to you and they're expecting that you are enough follow along and I like that, I feel like there's some tension between Creator and an audience and I feel like everyone works like, show really respects the relationship in the sense of like, they're trusting you to be smart enough to get it.
And in return, you cross them to explore Things. We Them explain to us. And the last point, I want to make about this scene is and I really hope we come back to this in season 5, so I'm sure you don't understand you. But at the end of that scene, it says that the camera pulls back to show all of Hawkins, the most epic shot they've ever done for like full-on, you know, the entirety of Hawkins all covered
in Vines and all this stuff. But in the final version, we just get a short pull back to like a little bit above the I'm give that to the okay to like, radio tower and that's it and I think we were wrong, but I don't think we see a full-size shot of all of Hawkins in the upside down in season 4, we see parts of it. I don't think we see the whole thing, correct me if I'm wrong. Yeah, I don't think we do.
So yeah, I don't think we ever see complete like aerial view of. Yeah, of the epidemic Hawkins. I think probably the furthest that we have that we've seen. It is, when Nancy, you know, takes off runs through the woods and then she notices the wheeler house, across that field. Yeah, but yeah, I don't think we didn't get a single aerial view and I think that is fine design when they obviously before the final version of what we see on screen was filmed.
They probably were like, yeah, no, we can't let that cap the bag, too soon. We got to save that. For season 5, we gotta get Works epic shots, more, big shots. And I also felt they were because they do, they're very cool. My favorite. Probably my favorite shot of the entire season is when the kids are, whatever was riding the bikes and they turned all his the opportunist physically upside down water flowing. I feel like there's a good shot to be had their Peril shot.
There were they do that in 2005? Where you see the right side up and the upside down? I also feel like might have been like I remember Sean, leave his common. He's like we have helicopter money now to pick and choose what they were doing. So yeah, Earth to do something that. That would have been like, wait, what are we doing? It would have given more but they didn't have time to come back to it.
It was makes me wonder because I mean, like, I feel like they would plan stuff and they go. To the end of it and I like, oh my God, it's like to our. We gotta go we gotta move some of the Season 5 because we're not we're running. This is it's not going to be a fight. We can't make it five. So I appreciate that. I do so much, I love this season like I had to take multiple bathroom breaks and snack break some. Let's not for so long. I've been any longer?
Yeah, totally. Yeah. So then we get the scene with Sullivan and agent Wallace. You won't talk about that one. It was a it was very brief seen, nothing really happened. Other than agent was eventually succumb to the torture. Like we probably all wood and give location and said you know just promise me you won't kill her and you know well you did promise he did not kill.
He asked for, and that's the first thing they immediately try to do and like I in the final set like part of me is like, I don't want those guys to come back as same time, like, or I just want them to, like, show up on the scene immediately get like going up or something because like, I just think of another available. They just drove me nuts.
At the same time though, I would love to see a scene in which those chicks like those like someone in his like people, because of you said that you people coming behind him when they come out of the bunker. At the end there, I would love to You seen in which they wind up in front of Joyce and harbor. Because like I feel like that would be epic. So I'm kind of divided received by part of me is like all these guys show up and immediately get destroyed by that.
Now, on the other hand, I'm kind of like I'd like to him get taken down, I lost be fine at they never appeared again, I don't know. I'm I'm kind of divided on what I want to happen with that for season 5. Yeah yeah and just real quick. It's I still am unsure as to why they decided to bring on a character.
Like Sullivan this late in the game because the way you know, when he when he talks with Owens and I think episode 3 it's implied that Sullivan is maybe the one you know who's Always been the one that's been after 11 really since season one because I, I think they're, I've always thought there was a deeper reason behind. Why Hopper had to hide 11?
I don't think it really was. Just because Brenner was alive and apparently out in Nevada. I think it it was because Sullivan or someone like him within the yeah, Elder I just don't know why he's introduced this late in the game. And yeah, the next season will provide some clarity.
Yeah, I just I think to me what bugs me about that came in his group is that like, there's still one dimensional, but their cartoon villains, because everybody else in the show Even though really dumb characters, you're like, you at least understand why they're dumb. Like the deputies don't have a lot of brains but you at least understand where that came from, not that they're the villains. But you know what I mean?
Like, but I Think because they've been introduced late in the game because we already have like Owens and we have Brenner. We have all the lab people like because we've already been introduced all those character and how they fit in and so many of the characters I think are so complex and interesting. When you have other kids have been introduced late in the game who are so one-dimensional, and just very cartoonish and also
very dumb. I got to think this is supposed to be like they're supposed to be top military brass and they're so incredibly stupid. But that just, I could not get over that I'm like, Like just our actions like they're taken a woman's adult sons like projects from school out of the house as if he'd hide it in an obvious places. Guys. I'm dumb like I know, right are the location over the bunker and he's like cake, and like Owens makes like a legitimate logical argument there.
He's like if you're right and I'm wrong, I'll I'll like I'll do it myself. But if I'm right and you're wrong, we're gonna need her and he tends to take the shark who wouldn't, like, how do you get the top? How do you be taught, military and knowingly? Take out somebody else, write a visibly, who could be your only shot at saving Humanity? Yeah. Like how are you? That stupid mechanical standpoint. So, that also got me, I'm like, these people are like, the intelligence of like the
children on the show. You know what I mean? Like, Holly wheelers got more intelligent than these guys. I'm just saying, so I'm not, yeah, I'm with you there. Like there's obviously more going on, but they just, they came across as so cartoonish That. I'm not like I also because I feel like I think because it's not rooted in reality, not that there are people like that. I don't mean like that but like the other villains we had this
season. Like vector, you get his whole back story, right Runner know what? We know where they're coming from? Nothing owns the village but you don't kind of the larger landscape the road but is but then like with the satanic panic and Jason and all that stuff, it's horrible but because that's have actually happened like that was a real thing as insanely stupid. Hysterical is the whole thing
was that has a basis in reality. So like I can even if I don't look like love it as a pot, I can get going there. I understand, I can get into it but like I think because they've introduced other than the gang. So late in the game and they're just so incredibly stupid and one-dimensional that I'm like, like this is not, this is not jiving for me. Yeah, yeah. Speaker, which I have thoughts on the lightning to project bunker. Seen Steve, Do you have thoughts on that?
On the, the scenes that come next. Yeah. Yeah, I do. So, you know, we get 11 with the goat, can she's regressing? There's not much that I knows that was different about that other than they said, like, you know, different few different phrases. And then after that, we get the
monsters and superheroes. You know, Brenner's tells 11 that stuff of myth and Legend. But then after that, we get the first major discrepancy that I noticed so far between the script and the on screen version and that is when 11 finally agrees to Journey Back To The Past One Last Time and Brenner, you know goes and gets the VCR tape and then we get back to Brenner and Owens from the observation Booth after eleven gets back into the tank. And then on screen dr.
Owens ask dr. Brenner, how much time did you skip? But in the script, he asks Brenner, how many months did you Skip? And which I noticed, so it at it, kind of made me thinking like, why would they, why would they change this? This is I definitely didn't think this was improv or ad-lib. Like I think they purposely told What's his name, Paul?
Paul Reiser to say time instead of months, it could just be one of those things where it's like, we can't really give us a specific time frame for this or else we'll have to go back, explain it. And if that's something they didn't want to do next season, they didn't want to do that before it means I just kind of wonder what else like what more I was Brenner planning to do. What more was there to show her because we see it in episode 8 when he's trying to convince her
to stay. He's like, you know, your training is not complete, yet, we're going to finish our work and you know, then he says, one day, you'll learn the truth 11. And I just again, I think there's, you know, more to it like in season one. We never really get a timetable of exactly What years those are, when we see 11 crust the Coke can is that 1979 or is that 1983? You know? It's I just found that really interesting that they changed that phrasing. Completely. What did you think?
Actually, I didn't catch that. That was, I caught other things in that scene, but I didn't catch that. They changed months to time. That's a good catch. I I yeah, to me either reads like the deaf Brothers, realizing that you need to give themselves more leeway. But that timeline, although, to be fair of a whole controversy about like, oh, you scooter, Will's birthday and like all of the didn't happen till after it's tough it aired.
So I maybe I'm seeing a self-awareness there that wasn't there yet or maybe they went to film it and they were like let's do time because I give just more leeway and I read like they do. Establish what year that is like, I feel like that. What was you? Someone has to be closer to 1979. That is 283. But then, like we've talked about some previous episode.
It's like, okay, well, what happened during the intervening years because we see what happened 79 but that's not till 83 that 11 escapes and she escapes the same way that Henry taught her. So like I said, we've talked with, I want to see how that happened. What was the Catalyst like, what? Was the push that got her to finally be like I have to escape because that happens and then burner has her for like several more years. So what like what was it?
That finally was? Like I have to get out of here and because I guess you could argue that the she saw like the Deborah gorgon and it scared her. Yeah, but it's not like that place. Wasn't scary, so Ike. But what was the Catalyst specifically? Or that?
Was it like I feel like it's got me To it and yeah I feel like they're trying to get them to sleep early because K this gets me. So one burner walks into the room with all the tapes like because like you know the bunker wasn't destroyed and we know that the other military guys love. So presumably like Owen still has those tapes. I don't think that's the that because like, one of my pet theories is that like, you know,
how he I've said that. Like, I think Wills going to have powers next season or he like he might and something they might explore and like figure out why I beg you. Let him live in the whole thing. I feel the answer to somewhere in those tapes, and if he had previously been at the lab, like I feel like that Embraces in there. So I've seen the like Owens talked about that other
facility. They had that they could reach by Nightfall. So I'm kind of seeing a situation in which, you know, like, like L and we'll go out there with like Joyce and Hopper and is one of those things that I can't. Let's try to figure out what happened here, because the only person understood this was Brenner a gone, hopefully, so I could gotta go. I don't think they just showed us that room for no reason. Like I think I think we're going to come back that night.
I think the answer I think it'd be really cool to see a lot of the Lord revealed through flashbacks of like L and will going through it. So I think that would be super interesting. But yeah, that's a good catch. The ones I caught were. And I like I really like this is so when Owens and Brett are looking through but the One room and I was trying to crush the Coke can Owens on his own and burners are verbatim until you get to the end there. And no one's had good for us and he walks away.
And I really liked that lied because that I don't know if that was an ad-lib that he added or if that was a Direction, but I like it because it really humanizes Owens at that moment. Without that, I don't think it would have Sizing because it's when you realize he's been working with Brenner and there's people like hell runs and they like the injector and that keeps happening and we just had that scene where Britt has the audacity to be like this place is not a person like yeah.
I think it really humanizes brighter or sorry Owens. Rather because you know, that moment where it's like, Big, he doesn't want to be doing. That could happen that point. You're like, like I remember every one of you are watching it
live. I was like oh like I you know when he's helping out of the elevator and everything like wow, like I feel like them saving his life is really, you know, really stuck with this guy and you know and it logs you that falls and security and then you turn the corner and brother is there and it's like god dammit no ends but then that moment really humanizes him for me because it's like he doesn't want to be doing this but British so slick. So charismatic, Mattock, the he's convinced Owens.
This is the only way and you can see that turning more almonds is like maybe this guy's just been fucking with me the whole time and he's just doing this so she can screw with her and he's like God damn it because like as we established at the beginning of this season Owens, like I was kind of wondering who owns went home to, you know, what I mean. So they established like this guy is a husband and father his, you know, he has a life. He he was a doctor before. He was involved in all this
stuff. He still is typically, you know, there's a line. I think it's a season to we're hopin Underhill, leaving the lab and Albert says, you know, like that, you know, this post Max dressed up like that's real and you know, you think that degree this guy's got it. So I think Owens is ultimately a doctor first, right? Edward as. Brenner is a scientist first and foremost. So he justifies it all in his mind. Yeah I like that one.
I really hope humanize do. Owens words, like he doesn't want to be doing this, but he's like, well good for us like we're traumatizing this poor kid and this isn't working and he's like, it's always always. He knows more than what he's letting on to. I mean, to the characters, and because he some that with him and Brenner, it's like Owens knows the threats that they're facing, which makes me wonder
when there was a now memories. And they kept saying was in Wells. Head did Owens actually believe that, or did he know what was out there and he didn't want to scare them? Yeah. Various for you could also say like they told them, what was out there, I'm pretty sure Joyce would have had a complete meltdown. That's very scary for well, so yeah, you know, what was he is? He hiding it for nefarious reason to protect himself, or is it, is it bigger than that?
Because he says, I've been dreading this for a long time that it has he got files. Woodburner luck. Like if they'd been working together the whole time, like I feel like this guy knows more so I really like the humanized him at that moment, especially because as a character like I apologize. Get him to come back next season. The ones that is and I fully expect. I hope they do this.
As part of the rebuilding of the lore is Hopper and Joyce like getting him to make a house call and be like, okay if we're gonna do this, like if we're gonna, we're gonna do this and we're going to like, basically save the world. This is like the final showdown you act to tell us everything because we're not going in there without all the possible information, like that's the deal.
Yeah, and I could then pulling up the files and him, like, laying it all out there because I think it would be very, it would fit. Make sense for this character, for me, for to be revealed for, like, Carpenters be very
suspicious. And then when it's all revealed, it's like, oh, you weren't hiding this, to be a dick about it. You were hiding this because this is so much worse than what we thought like so much worse and we didn't want to scare them, but it's like, well, if you're going down there to fight this thing, you you should know this or something in there being helpful to Will on Elm a figure it out. So I'm fully expecting that. I'm looking forward to it. Some other things, I noticed.
When those scenes are we have the flashbacks to what happened to other numbers when L is trying to crush the cocaine, but not what her and burn her talking in her room, which I thought was a good choice because it made sense when she trying to crush the cocaine, but I feel like they'd also include them in the scene between LM Brenner It would have taken away from the actors and something, I loved loved loved about the season. Was that? There were so many character moments.
We just had, like, two characters in a room or in a situation or a few of them. And she would very close character moments that were just kind of centered on the actors. Nothing else just them to in those died and their dialogue, which I think really showed off. Like I've always said that the acting on this show is fantastic but I think it really showed when you can just zero in on two characters and just take a quiet
moment. I feel like and I think it was the right call to kind of remove some other stuff to just focus down me like a major Point. Let's focus down at least two actors because we know they can I visit sent it to us they know they can deliver that and I like that. It shows that trust in the actors to deliver just a very serious. See, Seen or with great gravitas. So I love that and something
else. I'm sure you noticed this too but the brighter as he's described in the script is a lot more hesitant and you see a lot more uncertainty. Yeah. Yeah that I did in the I also saw it as He seemed like a more understanding Brenner and the script then scream because going back to the what you were saying about when borrowing says, you know, good for us and then he walks off, which he didn't say that in the script, probably they don't eat. They added that.
But after a woman says that and leave Just in the script. It says, on that note Owens heads out Brenner just keeps his gaze trained on 11 and islands is not wrong. She looks distant, lost scared and that's when he goes to talk with her and give her the monsters and superheroes talk. So yeah, I mean he definitely seems to be more understanding and maybe a little more thoughtful of Of her feelings and what she's going through in the script as opposed to on the
screen and on screen. It's like like you said, he's the scientist first but he's just trying to get this this child on board so that you have more daddy-daughter time to use a quote from dr. Owens and I mean what he said, what he tells her is not Really wrong, you know, about, you know, life is not as simple as categories and categor Rising everything into monsters and Subarus. But you definitely can tell on scream that he's just like. Yeah. It's like just please just go
get in the tank. Okay? It's not a prison here. Just do what I say. Okay. You know? Yeah, and I are not me that's down to Matthew Modine performance, because I feel like the way he carries it over so into which I think he does a really good job because I Do by my feel, like, well, I guess what they're trying to do in the script to make him more? Maybe add more Dimension to him and make him more sympathetic or understandable. I don't really like the decision.
They made their we're either they saw what the actors were doing and they just went with it or there was a conscious A choice. I to me, I kind of felt the actors brought that and they were like, okay, we're just going to go with this because they've done that before and it's work. It's always worked out really well. And I like that. They trust their actors to be like, okay, this is what we wrote for you. But this feels, this feels more
right to you as the character. You know, we trust you to kind of go with that, I think is great. I love and I also think because because opens when's it more humanized with those little ad-libs and stuff. I think the contrast between burner being like the scientist first completely self-assured versus Owens being like he's really down everything. They're doing like he's putting on a brave face here but he he does not have the confidence in
this at all. I like that contrast and as in terms of who lives and who dies, This universe, I liked that. The guy like Owens is only the only character I would say at about the government lab people we've ever really you there. Ever really get to know where he you feel like he had no soul. He feel like he does care, he is convicted.
Where's everyone else? Just feels like a scientist or government agent and they just don't have that, which is one of the main things, I think makes them so interesting. And I like that contrast. I like that. We got that contrast between someone who. So, so sure, like that. Someone who's doubting it. And I think ultimately it was the better choice because I think four burners character. I think the way Matthew Modine play that makes more sense from his character.
Because from that first for that scene, when we were with him in hopper in season one, where he's like surprises, like a handshake deal fixes the whole thing basically, huh. This guy's a True Believer. This guy's a scientist first and what else is here for the job. But Brenner truly believe he's
doing the right thing. Yeah, that's why I feel like that maybe send Is later on when he tries to force them to stay and he calls him on that and she's like, no, no, we're in this mess because you couldn't stop searching for Henry and all these people learn by the, you don't seem to care and you and he reminds her what he did to her mother and he justifies it, he doesn't hesitate, he justifies heat believed his 100% there and only when he's dying due to Sea angling of what,
maybe this wasn't the best idea. But to me, that's as the life turns out of you, obviously, you, you think back, Right consider, but up until that point, he's not 100% sure. And to me, that was mixing believe. What if we had that doubt? That, that level of dig out to him or understanding? I feel like maybe somebody less compelling because it's like one of your doubtless. Why are you doing it? Like, I believe that in a character like Owens, you can understand where he's coming
from. I don't think I'd buy it in broader. I think, by the way did right choice there, because he's completely selfish or completely ignore. He's doing To him is all justifiable and I think that's what makes the character work. Like he's the villain but he's also like he's so convinced. He's right that but you see how he sells people on it because he's so mincing. He's like he's like the used car
salesman. Like whatever the heck you're going to call this, you know what I mean about 86 comments. Like that's that's who he is 100% And I believe he was always That guy like I don't believe that was a younger brother that was not that guy 100% was always that guy like he was trying to Swindle kids as like a child like how to pretend he was always that guy. Oh yeah, totally she's definitely. Yes definitely.