E1575: Plans for Hamvention 2025

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There?

We go, Yeah, thanks, appreciate that. So, yeah, a lot of new faces in the chat tonight, a lot of familiar faces as well. So we're gonna go through and welcome everybody. But Dave up there at the top. Dave, wave your hands so they know who you are up there, top, top left corner. He emails me the other day and he's like, Hey, he's gonna be with Seed Studios at a booth in him bench and he saw the notification about the live stream. He's like, I want to come

Yeah, I'm in Portland, Maine and an a loft hotel. Okay, doing a project up here. I'll be flying from here straight to Dayton on Thursday.

Okay.

But yes, so I'm the official, unofficial kind of Ham radio spokesperson for Seed Studios. Okay, we kind of partnered up. We were doing a bunch of income stuff with the T one thousand, and we kind of partnered up, and now I'm helping them kind of spread the word. So hey, David, Hey.

Does that make you an amateur spokesperson?

I think I'm an amateur spokesperson.

There we go.

Look look what I just found in my pocket.

It is right here.

So yeah, we're gonna be at booth five thousand and seven in the hurd. We're gonna have the T one thousand. I'm bringing fifty of these. Okay, fifty of these, which is the better I think you better be bringing more like five hundred.

But that's just like you trying to get it is the hard part, some kind of there butt, right, I imagine, Yeah, yeah, Okay, have.

A solar node that we're coming out with on display.

Good.

Then there's a new device called the l One, which I haven't even seen yet, that we're going to have on display. I hope it'll be me and Betty from Seed Studios just kind of there to ask questions, show off the devices, and if you want to pick one up. These are going to be forty eight dollars. These are going to be seventy three.

Seventy three. Everyone should buy one of those just because of the number, so exactly.

And then we may have some of the little show esp. Thirty two kits. Still not sure if they're going to make it to the.

Show, okay, And that'll be Seed Studios booth number again five zero zero seven, five zero zero seven. Okay, we'll be stopping by to talk to you guys for sure. Home So good deal man, I'm glad you guys are going to be there. Betty, she was the one at me at mesh Con down in Texas a few months ago. Right, yeah, yeah, that's all right. Yeah, can can you get him to explain the device? Okay? So these are mesh Tasks devices and I just happened to by some by some Miracle

Yeah.

So this is the tracker. It's an all in one card, waterproof device, antenna. Everything's all in one spot. You can hang it off of a lanyard hanging around your neck, put it in your pocket, really small compact device. This is the indicator, which I'm trying to get it to turn back and I've got it on a power brick right now.

Yah. Yeah, welcome to live streaming.

But it is a it's kind of like the t deck it's got Okay, you can put the and I'm trying to get good light. But you can put the fancy UI on it when it's completely independent. It's meant to be kind of a desktop node. It's USB powered only and there it's no battery, no anything else. This actually has a case on it that Ali Cat Designs makes to kind of make it sit on the desk even better. But yeah, so this is kind of your

Pardon a question about the solar node.

Yeah, go ahead.

So how many watch does have put out?

It's a good question.

Don't know.

I don't have that deep aspects on it yet because they.

Haven't less than one, less than one one?

Yeah, yeah, I think that's what it's at.

Okay, cool? Uh? That Yeah, that's what's what's the one when the white case called would you call.

It the indicator?

Indicator? I might pick one of the that might go well in my truck because I need something to connect to my external magmat and ten on the truck.

That's what I have mine. I have one in the house of the truck.

Okay, maybe that's what I'll pick up. We'll see, so yeah, cool man.

Well that's I think that's a great device for the vehicle, right, that's touchscreen, and.

Yeah, it's bigger.

You can put the the older or the regular fra more on it, and it's got a huge display. Obviously, if you just want to use it as a truck node, it's a little difficult when you start trying to chat or do anything on it with the little abd uh keyboard that pops up.

Can you connect to it via blue tooth like a regular node?

You can if it's got the original firmware, you cannot. If it's got the fancy u I right now.

Yeah, okay, the m u I takes up that one API slot and so they you can connect to it, but they'll fight with each other. I think there's actually a way, like you long press something in the firm where and it'll turn off the m U I and then you can bluetooth.

To it if you press the bluetooth button.

Yeah, I think if if you go to like the bottom right, the bottom left, corner, and then there's a tab called settings. I think that over there there is a I think that's how you get to the Bluetooth settings or connect to it through Bluetooth.

Yeah, it's it's in the settings.

Yeah, okay, cool good, cool man. Okay, well, thanks for thanks for being on Dave. Feel free to hang out. You can stay as long as you want, all right, and we're gonna get some other folks in here. So I saw Frank join, and I know he wants to say something. So Frank asked to have an ask to unmute button on top of Frank's zoom window.

It is unus.

That is an oxyboron waiting to happen. It's a tragedy waiting to ask to unmute Frank. Okay, what's up, buddy, how are you doing?

Doing good?

Man, doing good? I just opened up some at Keith the single Molt Japanese whiskey from Paul there, from Paul, Thank you very much, Paul. I appreciate it and I'm enjoying that this evening. I just got off of a youth on the ear and live stream with Neil and I want to bring this up because they said they're just falling short of what they need to make the Denver goal, and they need some more help and support.

So good. Yeah, no, thanks for sharing that.

Yep.

Other than that, I activated a park and activated Dinosaur State Park.

Yeah, okay, it was fun.

What else?

Uh?

I got Voice of American Museum, the Radio Club.

They were on the air.

Yeah, and they stumble across my little transmission.

But it was fun.

I was I was Ivan in the truck yesterday I think yesterday, maybe a couple of days ago, and I was hunting Poda, so I was just turning the dial on the on the t S for eighty while I was hunting, and I heard some people calling back to a station. I couldn't hear the station itself, the hunt, the activator themselves, but I heard W one a w call back to the activator. I was like, all right, so those guys are out there, so that was kind of fun to hear. But uh, okay, cool man, thanks

So I saw, I saw, and I believe I talked to Jonathan before. But I am so jealous of his office. I want that office. I want that chair, I want that wooden background, or I just want.

Everything that's cool.

You're missing a cigar.

Yeah yeah, yeah yeah, and like some kind of Republican Party uh emblem behind you, but yeah no, that's that's I'm kidding. I'm not kidding, but you know, for those of you who take offense, I'm kidding. So cool. Okay, so let's move on. I'm gonna keep I'm gonna keep going here, So I'm gonna let Rob talk next, because Rob is Rob and Jonathan, and I'm gonna let you guys guess which Jonathan, and then we'll see if you're ride or not here in a minute. But I'm gonna

Yeah, we'll be in both.

Okay, both good?

Good?

All right, Well, tell people about your product band from the Horse's Mouth, go ahead.

Okay, Well, first off, thanks for having me on kind of a newer to the scene. We uh designed spool tenna.

It's a in fed half wave. The uniqueness of this is that it's a it's on a.

Spool form factor, so you know, you can unspool it very quickly, put a pan or a pencil or a screwdriver and split out very quickly. Being on a larger radius, it doesn't put a tight kink on any of the wire, any of those wires that have a memory, and then it really eliminates that tangle and that probability for tangle. So we we are building.

Designed this here.

I designed it and we're building it turning into a family business. Nice in Carrie, North Carolina, just outside of Raleigh, and looking to show these at Dayton. Will be at four days in May at the vendor night, I believe that's Thursday night, and then we'll be at outdoor flea Market section seven seven and right about the middle of the infield.

Are those kids or are you buy all complete?

I'm sorry? What was that?

Are those kit builds that we could pick up before day in May? Or they are a it's going to be a pre built okay.

Be pre built?

Yeah, but good okay, quick quick little deployment and easy up, easy down.

It's got the built in inside.

It's got a forty nine to one on the inside, so resident on forty fifteen ten all protected and throw it in your bag and your kit and quick quick for PODA.

What you didn't see in the video is my video is that I deployed that and I think I was on twenty meters, although I might have been on fifteen I can't remember, and I had the Icy seven O five running FT eight, so I wanted to see if the device got hot or not. So I went down there and I just guess I happened to touch it at the time it was transmitting it was hot that No, it was not hot, it was electric. It gave me

I don't know if Rob saw this, but Mike was sitting here staring at the screen kind of look like looking like he was gonna how he could, uh, how he could mod that already with his uh, with his with his LinkedIn fed Uh of course, let me.

Let me mentioned this.

We we decided to open source the design.

So you can go to GitHub.

Okay, look up spooltena or my call sign ko for h u I and download the kai kat files downloaded. Uh, you know, pull the trademark spull tenant name off and and and have at it with the you know, make it your experimenter's platform for you know in fed halfways. So we thought it was important to get back to the community and be the basis for experimentation.

That's cool.

You can you can buy these.

On spool tenna dot com.

You can follow us on spool tend on Instagram, and we'll have him at the show and four.

Days may cool. I sure.

The website price is one forty nine?

What and how many at the show.

We'll do one thirty nine at the show.

How much power is what they're asking?

Oh? Sorry?

Hundred watts hunter watts?

Yeah, wow, and the.

Fifty digital fifty on digital, but one hundred on Yeah, that's that's actually kind of typical of an infant halfway most of them. So okay, it worked well, I was, I was. I've used it on ten and fifteen and twenty and it's uh. I had good experience with mine. So yeah, thanks for being here, Rob, appreciate it, man, look looking forward to meeting you face to face in

Doing quite well?

Thanks for having me on here.

Yep, So go ahead and tell us about what you're what you're bringing to four days in May.

Yeah.

So I'll be at both four days in May and at Dayton Hamvention four days and May the vendor Knight of course, as well as booth five thousand and three. It's gonna be both me and Radio Dan, who's the owner of Ham Gadgets, and I'm just I'm a manufacturer and he handles all the distribution for me. I sell different kits that are useful for the PoTA Soda operators, specifically like the c W operators. I also make a radio called the CFT one, which my camera is.

Yeah, CFT one.

It's a five band c W field transceiver with a really simple user interface and a very low noise receiver and I could go all day talking different points about it, which I won't. I also sell and fed halfwave kits. That was the first thing I sold in Kadi m R D and Mike knows knows very well about it. My camera is blocking it, but it's very similar to the K six r K ones that's ultra portable but a little bit easier to assemble. I also do Morse

Uh so that's what I've got.

But I also was asked to advertise for Adam kase Z a R K R A N six A R A Joshua from toofton Antenna and five F Y, as well as Aaron from Modern Morris. They'll be right next to me at Booth five thousand and four, but Aaron will be let me see. He told me. It will be at boot one two zero six twelve O six. The map shows commotion which is his dad's electrical engineering company. He'll have some new color paddles, h but it'll be

Awesome, that's a CFT one. Jonathan is a beast. That's the cw on. That thing is so smooth and the unit user interface is amazing. I mean you can literally sit down and just go to town on that.

That radio.

You just reminded me, Jonathan, I still have to get my review of your radio out. It's it's it's on my computer. I just remember that I have never put that out. So I've got some video editing to do in my future.

Well, if Kyle says that it's a good cw rig, then you know it is.

Yeah.

I actually got.

Used his I actually used his video to help troubleshoot the iambic A versus IAMBIC B because the explanation they give for that can be kind of confusing, and his explanation was very intuitive.

So I use that to figure.

Out that with Evan K two e j A t helped me get that, and that's the reason why it's so it's so robust.

Yeah, that was Adam who gave that presentation.

But yeah, my CW Operators roundtable, we uh decoded IAMIC A versus IAMIC B and there are some differences. You gotta watch the video to figure it out, but there are differences.

I'm just I'm just still trying to figure out the difference between K and R right now.

So that is probably your first good that's a first good step.

Yeah, yeah, ving that my my my call son is not l C five hw B. But Kyle and I came up when a idea for a T shirt and it's gonna say you are h n N and it's just you are h n N and that's it's just gonna say that on the front and then and everyone has ever screwed up CW before. I should get that. So but yeah, if some of you were like, what does that mean, I don't know.

Go take a look at take h right right right exactly.

So cool man. Thanks for being on here, Jonathan. I look forward to meeting you. I'm pretty sure I met you last year.

Yeah, I think we shook hands and yeah, and spoke briefly, probably at the at the pub boot Pub.

Could be, but I was at Four Days in May. Also, were you there last year?

Yeah?

Yeah, yeah, it was my first year there.

Okay, yeah, yeah, I'm sure that I met you there. And then yeah, we're we were at the troll Pub last year and we're gonna be at the troll Pub again this year. So stay tuned. We're gonna talk about that upcoming. But uh yeah, thanks for being here, man. I appreciate you guys coming on and presenting tonight.

Thank you.

Yeah, you bet all right. So we're just gonna roll in now to Meshtastic and I know that uh let's see how many people do we have one from? I know Garth and Jonathan and Austin.

Yeah, I think he's just the three of us, just the three.

Of you, okay. And uh and I know that Rob down there, uh w fi I t R Rob. He's done some videos about the new Hamvention firmware. So if you guys would give us a let us know what. Well, first of all, I believe the u r L is Hamvention dot meshtastic dot org. Is that correct?

That's correct?

Okay, Frank, if you want to type that up and put that in the chat. I did share that in my email blast today. So again hopefully you guys are part of my email list. But yeah, so tell us what to what what?

I think it's probably I think it's probably more fun to talk about ham mention last year.

And yes, I was gonna I was about to start there. I was about to start with that. Yes, yeah, so let's do that.

Yeah, ham Bitchion twenty twenty four was where we realized we had a problem. We had a big problem. Meantastic hadn't been big enough for it to be a problem until then. That was the first time that enough people got together in the same place. And then what made that worse is that somebody went and flipped the MQTT stuff on and so not only was there the local traffic they were taking. We run an MQTT server where people can bounce off of that from anywhere around the world.

It was It was chaos, Yes, it was.

And so that's when we first really started looking at it and going, Okay, we have enough people in the same building now at some of these events. Ham Vinchion is one of the big ones. Defcon is another one. Since then we had a bunch of nodes of deaf coon, so we started asking ourselves what can we do to fix this? And what came out of this was as the convention firmware, and so we put everybody on a faster speed of you know, more bandwidth, less airtime, different channel,

Not anybody else.

I'm gonna let Garth and Austin get in on this too, because they spent they've done a lot of the legwork on thinking this through and making the making the builds work, particularly as what Austin's been had his hand in.

Yeah, it's been a lot of fun. I'm Austin. I do all of the Linux packaging and I've been having a lot of fun getting into the build process also.

Were you you automated the uh the building of the special convention firmware too, right, It's not just the Linux stuff.

Right right, I've been getting more into that stuff. Lots of fun.

Now is this is this? Is this specific firmware?

Is it? Well?

I've got two questions about it. Yeah, you guys had some hand in the settings. We didn't have specific firmware, but we had a specific settings we used at ham Cation in Orlando last February, and we went through and just kind of changed like three or four settings in just kind of the default firm where and it worked

So it doing all of those things. We also added some fancy branding. I can actually show this off we just added and then oh.

Live demo, live demo, right fingers.

There you go. If it comes up, Oh, it's really.

Bright coming, it's coming, so you can see.

It's a ham. It's a ham emoji, it's a ham. It's a ham. Yeah, there is there. That's great, that's good.

Great flash again. We're having a lot of fun with this. And this is actually the first time we're using the short turbo mode. It's five hundred killer hurts wide instead of two hundred and fifty. You can it's yourself dictionaries on this thing, and it's almost instantaneous. We're greatly excited to see how that's going to play out.

So is the turbo mode. Is the turbo mode new or is that something that's been around for a while.

It's been in there for quite some time, We've just never used it at this scale.

Okay, okay, it is the newest of the presets. I maybe it's been in there about a year or something like that.

Yeah, okay, kind of Well.

I will somewhere deal with distance. In other words, so what kind of coverage do you expect get.

Don't mention said, Yeah, it's gonna be less.

It's gonna be less distance from each individual. But you've got so many people in the same place, and the fact that it's meshing, they're going to rebroadcast each other. We you know, like like we said we did. We did def Coon and they were in Vegas and distance was not a problem. We ran with the short fast there. I don't think we went to short turbo. But there's just so many nodes. The the problem you run into is not distance. The problem you run into is airtime contention.

Mm hmm.

Okay, that's good.

So I flashed my.

Well, Carlos, you got a Carlos is probably jumping out of an airplane right now. That's why his internet quick. He took his chair with him this time, which I thought was strange, But uh, Kyle, you had something, go ahead, Kyle.

Yeah, So I flashed my node with the hamdvention firmware, and so obviously I'm going to use it during ham Vention. Whenever I come home from ham Vention, do I need to reflash it or or flash it with another version that you guys are going to put out, or can I use the hanmdventioned version whenever. I'm just you know, tooling around Saint Louis here.

So, I mean, we changed a lot of things in the event. Firmware is one thing. I forgot to mention. We've baked in three channels this year, all with different encryption keys that are not you know, compatible with the main mesh. And that's kind of on purpose. So you went and took this home, then you'd be a party of one unless you went and changed all the settings back.

Anyways, Well, sometimes that's the best thing for me, So that's that was.

Yeah. My question was about the existing channels you have, because we've got some We've got some custom channels for the North Texas area here where I am. If I flash this ham benched firmer, is it going to nuke everything I have in my in my custom settings that I've already set up, it will? Okay, Okay, this is why you should have more than one or perhaps maybe more than ten meshtastic notes, so you can set one up for all these different events and whatnot.

So all right, so Jonathan and Austin, I was going to ask about that because I was doing my notes today and I'm an IT guy, so I can I can get in and do the command line and pull my keys out and stuff like that and back it up. Are you guys going to have a routine that that's maybe a little bit more user friendly for for something that would be a little bit more adoptable for let's say Mike for example, since he blatantly says he doesn't know anything about computers, that's true.

Yeah, it's not in there yet. That is something that we've we've talked many times about. It's like trying to figure out, how do you how to particularly those keys right, the PKAI keys, how do you back those up? How do you make it easy for the normal user to back it up? I think Garth probably can talk about this. Garth does a lot of our kind of user experience stuff that he thinks through. Do we have a solution rolled out anywhere yet?

So for the channel settings, you can use a QR code right to go back and forth between the different settings and keep the channels in place. You can go to hand bention and not use the event specific firmware and flash the device with the QR code.

It won't add every one of the settings.

In that case, but the QR codes are meant to be the sort of easy for general people to use to move around, and one of the things that just Fantastic in general wants to get better at is moving around between the presets. So we have twelve different presets whatever the number is, I don't know if that's totally right, the reasonable amount of presets and most of the traffic because people kind of want to be able to communicate with the big.

Public networking areas where they're at.

On the default channel, we have like ninety nine percent of the people on long fast on slot twenty in the US. That comes out to nine of zero six or whatever it is as far as the frequency and so moving around to presets that work better for the terrain for the you know, a metal building in Ohio with hundreds of people packed into it is a use case where the distance really doesn't matter. Laura stands for

For different use cases. It is one of the things that we really want to work on over probably the.

Next year or so, rather than just creating a brand new version of bench Tastic that kind of turns off all of the old but rather using all the stuff that we do have and moving people to different places for different use cases. Right, So, if you're out and you're hiking and the distance is super important, long fast works great for that. If you want to be able to communicate with other nearby nodes, it's great for that.

Except for very long slow, don't use that one's gone.

We did finally kill it.

Okay, good, very long slow, that's uh. It's it's probably like one hundred and sixty meters band. It just takes too much effort, right, Well.

No, most people's hardware couldn't support it. Actually, you had to have a really really tight temperature control oscillator to even be able to sit and receive on it, and so many devices didn't have the tolerances tight enough to do it. And so you know, people will go, oh, mine goes to eleven, let's go to the longest, and of course that's what we all do. I want to see how far I can get this thing to go, and the performance would just be terrible on about half the devices out there.

So now that I have a better cell phone signal, my question, perhaps maybe I didn't hear the answer, how does the AVENE.

Firmware and deal with businesses?

So perhaps miles twenty miles away from the event, persuming the antenna's in a very tall location, I.

Would anticipate that that would work if you've actually got line of sight right.

Too.

If yeah, that that's that is kind of a long shot for the short turbo but again, line of sight, Laura is just amazing. Yeah, honestly, you can do you can do a repeater. You can do a repeater over the internet. You know there there are ways to make that work. But if you've got it up high enough and then you can actually see it, I bet we'll go through.

Well, and is to hopefully link some people up from the Cincinnati area for a few minutes at a time into day, just to see how well the message behaves.

You're gonna jump with one, Carlos.

I've been jumping with love for you know, about a year, and I will have mentioned last year.

Okay, okay, so you're the You're the reason why the network clogged.

To do this because I didn't question go ahead joining the I was joining the show.

Hold on right, Carlos, your internet is still kind of in and out, buddy. We're trying to listen to you, all right, go ahead, Rob.

So, as Jason had mentioned, we had really good luck at Hamcash. We used short fast, we limited the hops. One other thing that we did set and I'm curious, I see you guys did not set that, and you know we didn't know for sure. We just went based on the description was changing the rebroadcast mode. We set that the local only. It's too curious.

Yeah, if everybody sets it to local only, you might have a problem. But if let me put it this way. Up, I'm trying to remember exactly what we said, but like, if you have five nodes on your person, you should set for them to not rebroadcast that way, you're not just a walking echoed chamber as you walk around.

That makes sense. I never thought about that.

Okay, Yeah, we were torn on this when we were talking about the event firm We're in the first place for Dayton, like defaulting to client mute, where that's not the case. Then if everyone's not aware of those distinctions, then you don't have a mesh anymore.

Yeah, okay it And admittedly, the titles on those different rebroadcast modes are suboptimal, and you kind of have to go digging around to the documentation to figure out what they do, and in some unfortunate cases you have to go digging around in the firmware to understand what they do. I say that the documentation is actually really great, We've got some really good people working on it, but the names in particular are not stellar.

In some cases, that makes sense. Okay, cool, but.

Yeah it worked great at hand casions still, just tuning a few things made a world of difference.

I got to figure out if I can back up my I might leave my pocket node on the default because sure enough someone's going to be there with the default setting on a mestastic node. Oh absolutely, But but I might try my uh my whatever that t de whatever the Spec five version of the t deck is is the one I've got with its own with the new UI and whatnot. It's self contained, it's got its own keyboard. The ranger, the Ranger. Yeah, that's the Yeah,

But when we see this is going to give us any better? Might answer me better?

A little bit a little bit better?

Yeah, all right, So let me just cut to the chase and go where should I go to ask the questions that I have before Ham mentioned, so that I can ask them and have an appropriate deployment.

For my use.

I would say, jump on discord. No, jump on the jump on the mestastic discord. Ask there and there's you know, there's a bunch of people that that will have an idea, And honestly, part of the answer is going to be we're not one hundred percent sure, make sure and let us know how it works.

One's ever ever, No one's ever put a fourteen thousand foot in ten on one of these carlos.

So I have, well the thing they might have.

I've joined them in Chicago Mesh from Rochelle and then repeated packets into the Quad Cities Iowa Mesh and there were people talking on it and saying, hey, is that is that an airplane that's rebroadcasting for us? And you know, while I was up they were able to go back and forth. So, but that's what's a default settings or the default firmware. I don't know how it's going to behave with the dam mentioned firmwhere. So that's that was really the we're at.

There's one way to find out.

I guess James can build you a yaggy antenna for your parachute rig.

The local only works. So in the case Robert, where you deployed a QR code for ham Nation, the reason that local only worked is because that key local only means we don't rebroadcast stuff if we can't decode it. Right, So your note had the key, so it was re broadcasting things and so that's basically what that is that is doing. So if you pre shared a QR code and everybody was using the same key, then that works.

That works great if you're.

Trying to provide if you're trying to provide infrastructure for other people like who are using their own key private groups, they would not be taking any advantage of the other nodes that are nearby.

So that's where that would would be an issue potentially. But in an event.

Case, that probably is a setting that it would be fine for us to put in place because if we're sharing all three channels and doing the local only, that would rebroadcast any of those three so.

Except except for DMS, Except for DMS. Garth would kill DMS with local only. I think so, because you can't that's the whole point. Man, people in the middle kimp direct them. I honestly, I would have to go into the firmwhare and look at exactly how it handles that. But my suspicion is that local only would not for DMS possible.

Yeah, I mean, we didn't seem to have any trouble with DMS, but maybe there was enough people that were not configured in that way that maybe it was carrying it.

I don't know, but that's possible.

Yeah, Now would that would that reserve some bandwidth if you did turn that on as well? Again, just thinking of a really big, really big of.

That, I think I think the way that probably it would reserve potentially a little bit, but probably the best guidance is, again, if you've got more than one node, or you know multiple people going to be together, give more than one node together in the party, turn most of them onto client mute. That way, they don't rebroadcast anything, because every every rebroadcast is airtime, right and even if even if a remote node can't pull down the entire message,

What everything?

What can we do to figure out how to get off of that shared airtime? How can we shut up as much as possible with each individual node that way, there's plenty of plenty of bandwidth for everybody.

Yeah, makes sense.

Cool.

Good. Do we have a link for the mestastic discord.

We can get you one.

I don't think that. I'm not sure if I'm a member of.

That or not on at dot word take the discord logo.

Why would I have not a choin. So we've got a DFW dis discord for meshtastic and an and I'm a member of the Austin Meshtastic group. But that's not you, guys, that's.

I've got a North Texas one as well.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, North Texas and Austin. I'm I'm a member of both of those, but I'm not seeing that. Okay, I'll go try to find that. Frank, do you want to go to try to find that? Go to mestastic dot org and see if you can find a link to discord on there somewhere. Thank you, yep, yep, Okay, guys, thank you very much, all three of you. Thank you very much for being here. Absolutely appreciate that. Oh, Garth put it in the chat, Frank, just share that in the in the chat of the uh Garth put it

He said that as soon as I got it, there you.

Go, or Robert Okay, Robert just shared it. There you go. Cool, all right. I wanted, uh, guys, thank you for being here. I want to try to give everyone as much time as we can here, so I'm not trying to rush anybody. If anyone has any questions, comments, or anything else about what something you want to say, please feel free. There's not We were very shoot from the hip around here.

Uh? There there.

Hunt.

Yeah, yeah, they're not doing that this year. So James has set up something new that he told me about earlier today. So go ahead, man, thanks for being here.

Yeah, it's a little thanks for having me. It's a little impromptu. I was really hoping those guys were going to do that again because it was really cool when I think the first year they did it was twenty twenty three, which was my first year at him. Mention, So that was great. So what I'm doing is a

Me down, we'll get a prize.

I'll have a few prizes in my backpack that I'm hauling with me, and if things go quickly, i might start giving a you know, taking down some names and call signs and giving away some T shirts I've run out of prizes on hand. And then of course I'll have, you know, a backpack full of stickers that I'll be handing out to the winners and anyone who can. If I'm still doing it after all the prices are gone,

Just he's been known to be at the at the campsite before, so I'll just put that out there too.

Just stick that thing on a just stick that thing on a scooter and yeah, fox, hunt Fox.

That would be hysterical. Oh, just like get a magnet. And just as somebody's driving.

By, I was right here, he was right here.

O god, oh my goodness.

All right, So I think what James is saying is he's gonna be on mers and uh, probably using some salty language because who cares. So you guys bring your Merge radios, not just Merves, not just mers. Uh, it'll be a Carloss's pack, Jody says, it'll be a Carloss's pack. That's good. I like that.

Is that the one that falls out of the airplane.

Or yeah, it's gonna land on some guy's house. Yeah, it's gonna land on some guy's house somewhere. So cool, Thanks man, thanks for thanks for yeah no, go ahead, go ahead, yes, sorry.

Yeah, the beacon frequency is going to probably change every time someone finds it and surprised. That way, people aren't trying to cheat the system. Yeah, and groups, if if people are working together as a then it's just one price for that group. Okay, if you show up in a group, you're getting getting one price for tracking down the fox.

Let's see.

Yeah, I'm starting Friday.

So where do frequency as you're listening.

To Yeah, you gotta see you gotta scan through the frequently through the band. It's uh, it's gonna be somewhere between two two two and two two five. For those of you who don't know the two hundred and twenty mega Hurts band, it'll be between two to two two. It's only three mega Hurts band with so somewhere there shouldn't be too hard.

And it's a CW signal.

Yeah, so it's probably at the bottom of the band.

And it's only gonna be five millions.

Five mili.

Well, it's a twenty band, so that'll that'll probably go pretty far on the two twenty bands.

Don't much at hand bench.

Yeah, yeah, you're gonna have to get your ten awayers out.

Oh, yeah, Kyle, can you record a pre recorded UH the frequency is in use message for me.

Please, I will, I will do it for a fee.

Anything is available for a fee for.

Free professional services.

Right.

We had talked about using the two hundred and twenty megahertz frequency as our YouTubers meet us here frequency. We've in the past, we've used one forty six four five and we use that at ham Kash, and we used it last year at Huntsville, and we used it at ham Vention last year. But there were a couple of guys talking on fusion on that frequency on at ham Vention last year, and there's just a lot more people on the air, so some of us are going to

The Quansha, isn't it?

Uh, there's there's a quan Chang that does the the new. The the bf F eight hp pro from Balfang Tech does the uh that new walks on k Q or Q ten h or whatever it is that it's a it's a quad band, but it has two twenty. I'm gonna be carrying my D seventy five because I'm fancy.

So you can open up a lot of baufangs. You can sur yeah, yeah, and you go I forget what the said. I did a video about it, but you can. You can basically change the frequencies. It's different than unlocking it to transmit like outside of the bands, but you just you just open up in chirp and for a lot of the bout fangs it works. So if you don't have a two twenty radio, but you have a bow fang, you can probably get it to work on too.

Yeah, I don't know how much power it puts out.

It didn't even register on my meter.

But for around you know, just for around Dayton. I mean, hell, if it's putting out you know a couple of milliwats, you should probably Yeah.

So has anyone on lock to uh one on the TK eleven yet?

Anyone heard anything about that?

I don't. I don't have one of those.

I get my hands on one yet, it's the.

I got one.

Yeah, yep. So uh, anybody okay? So anybody else in the chat?

Is it?

Uh?

Freddie Mac? I think maybe this is you? Is anyone? Is this your first time at Dayton this year?

Actually?

I got to go last year, remember, uh did you?

Okay?

Got me?

That got me that RV spot?

Oh right, right, right right, that's right. That was your first time.

That was my first?

Okay? Good? Is anybody in the okay? Is anybody in the zoom? Is this going to be your first year at Dayton? Josh?

Here's your first year, first trip, Paul, it's.

Your first yep? Okay, Paul, Dave Josh. Mike raised his hand, but I know he's lying. Uh yeah, oh yeah, well yeah, that's the v X eight right v X eight or the VX six the yaser. You're muted, Mike, I can't hear you. I probably shouldn't tell you that v X seven are. Oh that's the seven. That's that's the good one. Yeah, I like my VX six are. I tell you what it's and if you unlock the VA if you mars mod it does add the six meter band to it.

So yeah, but.

It's not Dave's not as.

Good as this one.

I don't know why they discontinued this and kept the set in the six that.

Makes I'm not sure. Yeah, I'm not sure why they did that. Yeah, that's right. So cool. Okay, So Dave, you're in gonna be at a booth. Josh, you're gonna be walking around recording videos. I assume you don't have a booth, do you No, I'll be walking around, Paul, what are you doing?

I have no idea.

It best to go without a plan.

Yeah, yeah, there's a slight plan. And it's Friday. Do the things that I want to see and do so that I get so I make sure I see and do those Saturday other stuff. But this meshtastic thing is good. I'm hoping to get my mesh tastic things set up right, and I think between everybody there, I I'll be able to do so.

But yeah, it's my first time. I'm excited.

I'm I'm gonna my stream later.

I'm going to go through things and figure out what to do and kind of plan it so that I don't miss the things I want to do.

Your mind is about ready to be blown.

That's right.

Well.

By planning, I mean like if there's like I want to do the AU hands on, I want to go see the ft X hands on.

I'm sure he's going to be over there for that.

Yeah, So stuff like that, or if there's a if there's a class or you know whatever, I want to make sure I go see it.

I just show up and go where the winds take me because it's huge.

That's a lot of wins. Frank so, well, I create a lot. So I'm actually I take that bat Kyle was a good producer.

More.

I'm excited to meet a bunch of guys too.

There's there's guys here in this group and other groups and and and people on that are in the chat there that are going to be there. So it's going to be fun to meet a lot more people.

So our meetup spot is going to be I have a camp site, the same campsite I've had for the last three Let's see, this will be the third year. This would be the third year I've had this campsite, I think, no, fourth year. This would be the fourth year I've had it. If you if you don't know, if you know anything about if you don't know, this may not make sense to you. I don't know how to. Maybe I can with three words it once I get there is talking about that last weekend on the live stream.

Okay, that's the same building I'm in.

Okay, Okay, Yeah, there is a map, but I just I'm not looking at the map. I don't remember the names. So if you come out of the back of that building, so the front, the front, the front door to all the buildings is in the little vestibule area where the where the food trucks are and whatnot. So if you come out of the back of that building between gigaparts and YESU or closer to the gigapart side which they're

We're supposed to keep that quiet.

Sorry, Oh yeah, right right, you got some emergency.

I was going to say, if they're not going to allow drones, boy, if the.

Cars, but that's gonna be our spot and We'll be there off and on during the day. It's just kind of like a chill out. I'm tired of walking. Let's sit down for a little bit. Spot out there. So everybody's welcome. Bring a chair if you're driving to him, Benson, bring a chair or two or three. We will have chairs, but we won't have enough chairs for everybody, so bring your own chair. I have a follow up on that note. Okay, Frank, go ahead.

If you bring your chair, we appreciate you. Also leave with your chair.

Yes, that's right. Yeah, yeah, take it with you. We don't want a bunch of extra chairs to take home.

So hey, Jason, I got the map up. If you want to make the big screen?

Yeah, yeah, hold on, can you share? I don't think I turned that on, so I'll turn that on, and Kyle is I don't Oh, oh there it is, okay, it says Jason is talking on.

All right, so I'm gonna talk. So I'm on the big screen.

So you got the three buildings, the three big buildings, and then you got the track, right, So that's the big So the Giga Parts booth is in this building. So if you come out of this building and walk across Sugar Creek Street. There's two big lots here where the RVs said, if you come down to the second lot down here, kind of kind of in the middle, a little.

Bit on the other side of the road from there.

Yeah, so a little probably sixty sixty percent into that into that second lot.

It's right there, right where my cursor is.

It's actually across the road from where your cursor is.

I thought, I thought, no, no, where, we're on the second the second street, but on the left side.

Oh, you're right here, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, right here.

Yeah, we're on the left side. That's correct.

Yeah, right here.

So that little street that looks like it's up above you right there, it's it's just kind of a walking path and some people, yeah, it's not really a road there, so yeah, yeah, so it's like right exactly, it's right there. Yep, that's it. That's where it's at.

Also, to point out, if you zoom out, Kyle, the swap met area is going to be the whole horse track that green field just to the northwest of it, that area there, and also they said behind the buildings this year and more in between, it's like gonna be swamped with swap meets area.

It's expanded quite a bit.

Yeah.

So it's down here, right, So that's one area. The second area is the bigger area is here. But you're saying, and there's also some swap meat like ad here too.

Yeah, but also behind I think building one, two and three back here. No no, no, scroll out behind gigaparts and the flex buildings.

Me really, yeah, that's that's correct. That used to be.

Yeah, that's.

They're gonna so where the vendor is gonna.

Park someplace else exactly.

Oh my god, oh my goodness. I didn't realize that they were putting Uh, I didn't realize they were putting swaps back there.

You know, I gonna put them in that area where they put like the emergency vehicles and stuff, because that never gets filled.

That's true. Yeah, uh huh hhmm.

Well to U three or four years ago, there were like some big tents and they had actual vendors.

Yes, yes they did. And that's one of the years that it rained and uh some people got muddy. So yeah, but yeah, that that is true.

Interesting, Okay, rain and get it out.

Yeah, whoever hear the same thing.

Goodness you're talking about.

I have one question Jason, all right, how much cash should I bring to not go overboard?

That's that's that's totally up to you, man, That's totally up to you. I mean, there are at ms there, so you know you can you can get yourself in trouble, even the cash early in the morning. That is true. Yeah, that is true, very true.

I guess my question is, Paul, is how much can you take back with you?

Yeah, because you find twelve things you can't live without.

Yeah, I'm flying, so I'm not worried about being going too crazy ship them home. But I heard that I can have Jason bring it home and then Frank's just gonna stay in Dayton.

I'm flying back.

I think that Paul. I somehow I kind of feel like you might have an end somewhere to get stuff checked on a flight. I think that might be a little bit easier for you then most people. I don't know. I don't know why I feel that way, but.

But I'd probably do what Bill does, and that's just fedexit.

We get a well there you go. Yeah, that's true. Bill's not here tonight. I thought we'd see him. He might be working, but I don't know. So Kyle, while you're up there on the screen, why don't you tell us about the troll Pub because we've got some We got a couple of different things we're doing this year, same venue. But long story short, they I don't want to I don't want to throw him under the bus, but we didn't have as good an experience there last

So well, we have that fixed in theory right there.

So yeah, So I've.

Been communicating with the troll Pub people and they told me that quote, we will have two or three servers for you on Saturday nights.

So let me back up.

Troll Pub was something that we put together through or four years ago to get everyone together to meet the YouTubers, to just have a social hour and whatnot. And the troll Pub was very was very fitting because you know, people are trolls on the internet.

Yes, so never no, never.

So the first year that we did this, we rented out like half of the there's like a sidebar. We rented half the bar or half the sidebar, and then we spilled into this patio area, which is great.

A couple of.

Years go by, we get more and more people and then last year we kind of had an issue where people showed up like at three o'clock in the afternoon, the thing didn't start till five. We usually run a tab and people put into the tab, and that was not communicated correctly.

It was a mess.

So what we are doing is I went back and said, Okay, time out. We got to redo this. I talked to the Troll Pub and what we're gonna do is, instead of the sidebar that we've had in years past, we are actually roped off in the dining room for fifty to sixty people. The event starts at five pm. Don't

Into the dining room.

You guys can eat and drink and socialize there. We'll get the bill figured out, we'll get all of that stuff ironed out, and then once everybody is like done eating a drink, and then we can migrate up to the bar and go out to the patio and do our normal thing. So that is the thing that we wanted to communicate is the troll pub is on. We've got new things going on, but don't The problem was people showed up early and said all, I'm part of the YouTube bunch or the Hamm radio bunch, and then

And to clarify with the in year's path, the first year we were there, they made us put a two hundred and fifty dollars deposit down. Now, to be fair, I gave them my credit card number. They never actually charged me two hundred and fifty dollars as a deposit. They never charged me, but they said that if you don't spend, if we're going to rope off a section for you and you don't spend two fifty, you're gonna have to pay this two hundred and fifty dollars deposit.

But yeah, so that's the that's the thing on on Saturday night. So Saturday night, right, yep, yea And yeah.

Hey, Kyle, Yes, thank you for organizing all this, man, I know this cannot be easy.

It's got to take time to thank you for handling all this.

Well, you're welcome.

Yeah, and whatever it burns down like it did last year, everyone can sent their.

Dot com yeah, and you might make it into a future episode of Monday.

Kyle has done a lot of leg work to get this because that because we were we were basically determined to drop troll Pub and go somewhere else last year, and I guess Kyle got with him and and kind of ironed everything out. So they're on.

Yeah, they're on a pipe time.

Yeah yeah, and this is why Kyle is the project manager.

That's right. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Nobody. People who don't work in the IT world don't understand that. But I got that. I totally got. Not that I've ever been on a PIP myself, but you know, it's a it's all good. So I thank your regulator, Thank you Kyle for doing that. Charlie. I see, I see Charlie join, and I see Vince join. I want to hear from you guys. And I know there's two or three. I think I've let everyone talk. Josh, you haven't said much.

Man?

Hey, good after evening noon, better late than never, Mother's Day supper. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's going to be so great to see all of you guys down at Xenia this year and at the Troll Pub I am so excited. Oh oh, I forgot my prop and I am ready with stickers.

Yes, I'm smarter.

Okay, we are ready with stickers. And what a stupid sticker? I know, buddy, if you're coming into Booth thirty eleven, you're going to be wearing one. That's all I'm saying.

That's going on.

So I'm I'm super stoked to be there.

You know.

You'll find me down there in the Ham Radio work Bench booth most of the time, with Booth thirty eleven thirty twelve. That's in the rear corner of the building three Marconi Building, same building as Gigaparts and and and yeah, Sue, that's the word I was looking for. And a whole bunch of other really nice people. So that's cool. Friday at noon I'll be in Creator's Corner just for an hour doing a meet and greet. That's Booth forty two eleven.

I have not.

You're so why didn't I talk announce it? I'm here so listen Sunday morning, we are going to do a ham bentioned first thanks to the brilliant minds of Chris ris Miller who's the Forums chair, Kyle Craig, and some turkey from Canada who doesn't have a brilliant mind but he's helping out, and we are going to do Cahoots trivia live and in person. There will be prizes, and some of the prizes are very nice.

Evan's asking if there'll be a Unicorn mask. I think that's what most people want to know. Would the Unicorn mask making a power.

Well, I don't know. We might do a whole round on Unicorn.

So well, we'll see what we can do about the unicorn masks. So yeah, indeed, So that's happening Sunday. And then if you're really bored and you're really tired and you need something to help put you asleep, just stay in Forum Room one because at ten thirty I am presenting.

They're gonna have a translator to translate a boot in all those other words.

You know my name, my name, My name is not Stuart Crawford v nine CF. Stuart is a dear friend of mine, and he does say a boot, I know, I say it about so there won't be many Canadian translations.

There's a slight there's a slight hint in your accent, Vince, but it's not bad at all.

Yeah.

No, Well that's that's what I get for growing up in southern Ontario, you know, near Buffalo. Right, So that's right, That's that's what it is. So hey, that's that's what's going on. Man, I'm I'm super stoked. Oh yeah, and you'll find me a Vendor Night at four Days in May on Thursday night as well. I have a table there. So it's got some three D printable stuffs and other things you never know.

Excellent.

Yeah, okay, so what's going on?

Several people in here are We've got I think we've got almost half of the crew at four Day in May, Four Days in May, Vendor Night.

On this live stream now I think, I think so for sure.

That's great. We'll walk around and send invites for him Venture twenty twenty six when I'm there next week, say hey, come on to the show next time. We'll get you everybody on. Yeah, So thank you, Benns, thanks.

For joining, Chason, thanks for hosting us as always.

My bet, Yeah, no problem. Charlie, what's going on, buddy, I haven't heard from you in a long time.

Yeah.

Yeah, Hey, everybody, it's so good to be here and to see all my good friends.

Thank you.

I'm really excited about going back again to have mention. I'm gonna be staying with Adam and Ara, this time in an Airbnb. I'm flying out Tuesday and Adam and I are going to spend all day Wednesday in the Air Force Museum. So well, yeah, we didn't get I didn't get a chance to do that yet. So that's what we're doing, and then Thursday we'll do the four days in May. I'm going to help out with that a little bit behind the scenes. I'm kind of I've kind of helped a little bit, yeah last year, and

I'll be fun.

That's gonna be a noon on Friday. Yeah, Keith Schlautmann K R seven r K and I are are tag teaming, so he's gonna be covering a different topic. But it's it's the Soda presentation, so so we'll be doing that and then you know, I'm just gonna enjoy I'm going to go and try to meet as many folks as I can and just say hi and hang out and just have fun. I haven't really got a lot of plans as far as anything other than that. I'm not I don't have a booth, I don't have you know,

So just wow, wow, it's great.

Yeah.

I can see it here, buddy, I can see it here.

It's just been focusing on other things.

But you know, I love the channel, and I love the YouTubers and I love all ham radio stuff. So I'll be back, just just taking enjoying the break for a bit.

Nice.

Sometimes we need those breaks, man.

Thank you right here. You can see it, dude.

Yeah, honestly, it looks like, yeah, it looks like your headset is bigger. I thought it was, but maybe your face.

Is bigger cans I thought, yeah, yeah, wells right here, Yeah, yeah, thanks for being here, Charlie.

I'm glad you're able to join, man.

I appreciate it.

Yep. Uh. So there's a guy in the chat named two hundred and fifty pounds of yeas you, and I've really liked to know the story behind that.

I met him at Huntsville last year.

Really Okay, he's.

Got a channel.

He's got some cool stuff on there.

Uh.

Great guy, great guy, he's.

All fun good yeah, cool.

All right.

Uh well Josh, you haven't had a chance to talk tonight, won't you go ahead?

Well, this is the first trip to Dayton. Yeah, so we're excited about that. I'll be leaving out whenever I wake up on Thursday morning. If I'm not going to work, that's whenever I want to, but probably probably eight or nine o'clock. I'm an Eastern time, so that'll put me getting up there probably about three o'clock. Got to stop by the fair grounds, pick up my uh credential and then, uh, I've got one thing I've got on my plan for

I have heard.

You do not need to.

Go there yourself, are you?

Yeah?

Kissed the other Josh took us there was that two years ago, two years ago.

Yeah.

Okay, Well I've had it. I can say I've had it. Good luck to you, that's all I gotta say.

The chili dogs. The chili dog is okay. Enjoy your chili is not that great.

Joyer spaghetti with water.

Yeah, the hot dog.

Wasn't even that great.

No, no, I didn't.

There's nothing good there.

The best thing on the menu is mid.

Is there anybody in here that's this place?

If you want a good chili dog, you're gonna need to drive a few more hours north and get into Michigan.

And the chat it's good.

Listen, I've lived in Ohio twice times. There's nothing good about the state of Ohio.

In the chat.

Doesn't know what he's talking about.

Well, some of some of you do know that I do work for the University of Tennessee.

So go Valls.

There is nothing good about Ohio after the college football playoff this year.

If you as mate, there you go.

But I hear you guys talking about four Days in May. I've not heard of that. I might be interested in checking that out, So you gotta go.

You gotta know.

It's great.

It's it's a lot of fun, so absolutely absolutely worth your Thursday and the entrance street cool.

Who can explain what that is probably better than I can.

Charlie, Charlie, Charlie, Charlie.

Okay, So four Days in May is a conference that's held in conjunction with him. The ham Fest it say conference hosted by the Amateur Radio Club Internet, the q RP Amateur Radio Club International. It's a group of qrpers. And what's special about that is is there like some of the most smartest and uh well educated people out there. They're the ones who design and build the radios. Last year, for example, uh, on Thursday, it's it's a seminar, uh is the first part of it.

It's eight hours.

Last year we had the designer of the Allocraft K one and all the other craft products. He was there and gave a talk. And so it's it's people who are interested in q RP radios and in designing and building their own radios, either through kids or sometimes just you know, homebrew. And so some of the best minds are there to share their knowledge and and all of

QCX q QX QX and all of his his Yeah, go ahead, I'll have to I'll have to get another kit from him that I don't build and haveing my shelf here at home. So that's generally for the last three years, that's what I've done. I buy a kid, I take it home. I've still got it right here. So but yeah, great, great, Yeah, no shipping and no overseas shipping from wherever he wherever he's shipping from.

So right, So it's a seminar and then that, and then there's a break, and then there's a there's a vendor night. Then the following day you know, it's it's the Hamvention. So they you know, that Friday you do that. But then that Friday night they have a club night and a challenge where you know, you can enter in the contest to see who this year it's the it's the it's a you have a micro chip and you and you get to see how long how much power

So it's really great.

Hey, Charlie, I got a question you might be able to answer, what is the definitive answer from the q RP International Group on what exactly is QRP as far as power ratings, because you'll see people running around there at dating with fifteen minus one.

Fifteen hundred minus one is yeah fifteen yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

I don't think we have a definitive answer. I think there's a there's a recommendation that for Morris code it's you know five ten, and then for for a sideband ten to twenty. So, but you know it's it's in that range.

But if you look at the Q signals, if you look at the Q signals, all of them, Okay, you read the definition of all the Q signals, QRP means are you running low power or decrease power. There's not actually a number ever assigned to it. A lot of people will tell you, oh, if it's over ten wats, it's not QRP. Well that's that's you're you're looking at it from a contest standpoint, because a lot of contests will say, if you're doing QRP, you need to use

I guess it depends from person to person. Yes, Utosa, five watts is what I've heard, but I define it as any single digit number of watts. Is is a QRP single digit?

Okay? So I can go that way.

Anything up to ten watts, Yeah, that's it.

We don't need to we don't need it to be exact. It's just because half the time anyway, you don't know. You say you're running five wats and you could be running two anyway.

You know, it's just yeah, that's true.

And also you might be running equipment that you homebrewed in which you might not even know exactly how much power you're running in the first place.

Jonathan, I think that's a T shirt single single digit q RP single.

Yeah. I like this one right here, Jonathan put in in our zoom chat. Additionally, QRP can refer to questionable research practices. Well played, Google, AI.

Oh.

I also want to point out that with our thirty milliwatts of transmit power, I think mestastic wins that competition.

I think mestic would be considered q r P. I'm good with that. Yeah, there is a QRP CLA. Yeah, well QRP pp Okay, good cool, okay, Well, thank you for that definition, Charlie. That was good. Let's see I'm looking through the list here.

I got something. If you if everyone has uh has.

Chatted already, I think that well I haven't. I mean, Tim's been talking a lot, but he hadn't had he hadn't had the floor, Freddie Mack hadn't had the floor, and Mike had floor.

So Kyle.

Well, I was gonna say, on Friday night, if you are into music and also into a little bit of comedy, you might want to head over to the Hope Hotel, probably around I don't know, eight thirty nine o'clock the Superior Missions a missions band is going to play.

Sorry, I always get that. That's uh, that's word incorrect.

They are going to play for the last time at the Hope Hotel. And I'll just clue you guys in. So they'll take songs that you all know and substitute Ham radio terms and Ham radio concepts into the those songs.

And they are hilarious.

They're the weird Al Yankovic of the Ham radio world.

Yes so radio filk.

Yes.

So I just think that they have one song. I'm just gonna leave you with this. They have one song, you know, wild Thing, the the the song wild Thing that has turned into Bow Fine. So come out to the Whole Hotel on Friday night. You might even get some free pizza because.

They still do the night. They still do the free pizza every night.

Yeah, but at nine o'clock it's so late that it's oh, come on, come on, Frank, I eat dinner at five thirty, five thirty, like nine thirty comes around. I'm hungry.

Yeah yeah, Frank, Frank, then we got your number, man, because at the whole hotel right before the spurious missions is a Flex radio dinner and on Friday, right.

And so uh this this Friday night. The President of International Amateur Radio Union, Tim Elam is a and talking so nice. I'm looking forward to that. That's where all be Friday night. So I guess I'm sticking around for SPURRYUS emissions.

Yeah.

Uh, Jeff has got a good comment. Be careful getting into the Whope Hotel. You don't want to go into the air Force base.

So yes, yeah, I found out.

Yeah, y'all can't flag pull out like you can on the border.

I can. I can see Freddy Mack driving into that Air Force dudeys. He doesn't like to make turns. Yeah, yeah, you don't like to make turns when they're when they're required. Man, challenging talking while we're all going to get lost. Yeah yeah, oh that's good, all right, cool okay? So uh uh tim or Mike, do you guys have anything?

I got something real quick?

Go ahead, Rob, okay, go ahead, Rob.

Yeah.

I just wanted to mention that on Saturday, Saturday morning, the full schedule I don't think has been officially published yet. Saturday morning, for a couple of hours, I'll be at the msat Booth, so folks want to stop by and say hello, you'll be able to track me down there. And later in the afternoon I'll be hanging out with the guys over at Carlson Roof Towers. So those are a couple of places I'll be hanging out over the course of Saturday.

Did you get any pictures of the ISS the other night, Rob, I did not, Okay, no, no, no, So Randy called me on Friday and I was busy so I couldn't go out and look at But apparently the ISS did a very low pass, just kind of the trajectory. However, the trajectory works at like right like nine to twenty at night, so right after sundown, and it supposedly was was going to be really easy to see because the me the sun was of the sun was bouncing off

He said, Yeah, that's what I was going to say, like every couple of years, the orbit is such that you know the timings right, and the orbit's right and the thing looks enormous in the sky.

Yes, right.

Didn't do that a couple of times Friday night?

Or was it?

Just?

As far as I know, it was just the one time, But I'm not I'm not hum sure.

Because I was walking back over to the main house and I think it was after midnight. I saw a big lit up ball in the sky. I just assumed it was an airplane because that's that's that's no moon, that's no, it was moving. It was moving pretty quick.

Could have been the starship Enterprise. You never know, they travel back in time a lot. So yeah, but yeah, that would yeah.

Yeah.

Suppose I meant to text you, Robert and say, hey, are you gonna But I was my wife and I had We were at a birthday party for a friend that night, so I I was not at home. But yeah, I was wondering if you got that, Frank, I should have texted you too.

Yeah, but I would have gone out there and sell you it. I'm looking for pictures. I didn't take any pictures of dinosaur Valley, man, I just did a bunch of vid.

Did you go in and see these? See the remains?

Frank?

I went into the visitor center and they had replications of replicas. However, this weekends, due to all the rainway gone in Texas, the rivers and creeks were so high that it covered Oh the Donald Prince, and the majority of the Donal prints you can see and on display are in the river beds, so you could.

Vic says, it's not only the whales, it's also the water. Frank got it. Yes, what was that said? So so, Mike, you would be impressed with this. So I did a quote at more Expo and Kyle got it. He was the first one to get it. Bill had one of his Bill's in the chat. Bill, you should be in the zoom right now. Buddy. Bill had one of his spiked lemonades, and I'm like, I looked at it and he was a big can, the big can. I was like, Bill, you know what that thing? You know what that thing

Of the greatest movies ever.

It is one of the greatest movies.

Oh my gosh.

All right, okay, anybody have anything else at all? Totally open for him here, yes, okay.

Go where everybody's talking about this new Yasu radio and everybody's gonna be piling in the Yaesu booth.

And I'm excited to see it too.

I'm also excited to keep my money in my bank account.

But there's gonna be a vendor.

There's going to be a vendor there that hasn't been there since twenty nineteen, a vendor who is featured prominently in all.

Of my videos.

Not all of my videos, but a lot of my videos.

One Canna packed Canna.

Oh yes, indeed, it's going to be.

Georgia is actually going to have product there.

George is having product.

There that'll sell out in the first fifteen minutes on Friday. That's gonna be popular booth for sure.

Thursday night, yeah, or Thursday night.

Oh?

Is he going to four days? Is he going to vendor?

Night Mark? So Smitty myself, George, the three of us will I'm sure we're going to be lined up in a row in the room. Okay, yeah, so he'll have he has product for the booth as well. In building three.

He sent me two new Pac tenas like a month ago and uh and there he makes the winders a little bit longer now or sometimes he does, and uh and I was like, you know what, I've never actually I've never actually made a video about Packed ten. So I'm gonna do that. Oh I've used it a hundred times, I've just never made a video about it. So yeah, so I'm gonna do that at Galveston after after we've done it to date.

Nice good, he was. He was shocked to learn I do not own one. That is shocked.

Fast, I know, they said, yeah exactly.

Yeah.

There was there was a there was a New Year's Eve live stream we did three or four years ago where we actually got on his I don't know why, we were on his website of all websites, and he actually had stock in there. So literally it was like for about ten minutes and gone, and I swear I ordered one, and I so like a week or two went by now email, I'm like, George, I didn't get an order confirmation. He's like, dude, I don't see an order for you. And I'm like, well, crap, I don't.

Five of the six of us from Workbench will be in booth thirty eleven thirty twelve. That's where we're hanging out. And our Bill Curtis Paul W D nine gCO, the voice of Hamburdy work Bench, they are announcer, is going to hang out with us and a few a few friends of the group as well. So it's going to be a big party. And I heard some guy who Ham's harder all the time is going to come and hang with us too. So there we are night.

George is there? Sure?

Did you say thirty twelve?

Did you guys kick the coffee guy out?

The coffee guy blind man coffee is he is? He can't come out this year, as I understand, Cherry is under the weather.

Got it?

Gotcha?

Yeah?

I did say that there is going to be a coffee vendor after though. I'm not sure who it is though, but somebody.

I mean, I'm bringing coffee for sale, but I'm not going to have a booth.

Carlos Sagan, Is your whole twenty pounds accounted for?

Yet?

Uh?

I think I have seven still that I again that I can still sell.

I need DCAF please, I don't have any DCAFF right now? Okay, we can we can work that out later.

Did you guys, guys at More, did you try to get shiz done coffee?

Yeah?

That guy's there every year. I didn't get any this year, but I got some last year. Was pretty good.

Yeah.

There's usually three or four coffee vendors like that at More and they're all good. I think I think they're all good.

So oh, I have a question.

All right, Franks, go ahead.

I am looking for a good, juicy, hand fast question to ask all of you on screen, and if the chat has a good question, I can ask y'all. Let me know. The last one was was very successful was what is the mistake you learned the most from in Amazon Radio? And I want to get the same thought provoking question. It's just I my brain's gone. Man, I need help from the the the community here.

I thought I thought you were going to ask if the Smoking Ape ever paid back big Gym for the work chop sandwich two years ago.

That's a good question. M h that was that one you had it? Hamcsion was good, Frank, Oh.

I know, and it was amazing. And I need y'all's help to keep up the same intellectual momentum. Huh momentum.

Yes, good.

So I have a regret story. I'll tell Okay, all right, go don't have a.

Variable voltage power supply if you have little kids.

Oh yeah, so I.

Think I can see where this is going, but go ahead, Yeah.

Yeah, yeah.

Was smoking volved very much. So I'm so sorry.

I Uh, I had a little MFJ power supply. I immediately got rid of that power supply, traded it or something like that. And uh, I'm gonna I'm I just walked in the bedroom after running ft eight and all of a sudden, I hear this squealing and I come out around this corner right here, and this whole shack, well, shack office, whatever you gonna call it, is full of smoked. My screen on my radio. I had a ya sue

Uh it all really nice.

I shipped it off.

But but you're making a live recorded confession now.

There is I think that the fuse would pop on that thing.

Yeah, you would, you would think.

I think I would think.

I think that's why they did cover it, just because it should have It should have killed itself.

But the fuse popping. Can you guys see that there? That's my that's my z bit X and pieces.

That's a brand new radio.

Tim, would you do to that in pieces and fuse?

No views?

No, there is no fues in it.

There is no how was this going to mention that too?

By the way, I'm glad Tim brought that up real quick.

The z b X, if you haven't.

Heard, it's a all band, all mode radio that is at him mentioned probably going to be one hundred and sixty nine dollars instead of the two hundred.

With shipping nice.

Because he's bringing up.

He'll probably be bringing him over I can't promise, but they usually do. They bring up over all their year, So he's probably gonna probably be the best place to buy it if you're gonna buy it, because.

I'm planning on getting one there. I got his s bid X two years ago and I was happy with that, So I'm planning on getting this new way.

I've had fun with it. Uh but but this happened literally right before I was getting ready to go film a video and start filming, Vince had stolen I mean, I mean Vince had put out a bunch of videos, but but his his roll c W.

So you know.

I did one for FT eight in side band.

Well, you obviously didn't want to put one in there for battery.

Uh no, you're right, I didn't orientation.

But and actually and not knocking I do. I do want to point this out though, and this isn't knocking the company. So this is the uh play it. Well, I've changed my plate, but there's there's pluses and minuses in there, and uh, the black wire obviously is the negative side of the battery and the loops back around and comes around, goes out the pigtail. This plastic frame has also has pluses and minuses on it, and they

Oh wow, sounds good.

That's pretty much how I blew up my first rack whiz block meantastic node. If the connector fits, I didn't mean the polarity is right, check.

That well, if you haven't never blown something up, you're probably never real ham.

Positive.

And it wants to see like eight volts, Well it's to see, but six and nine volts it draws half an amp uron idle. So it's a hungry radio. But it's driving two Raspberry Pie processors and a big, nice, big touch screen. Right, So for what it is, it does a lot of good stuff. I've had a lot of fun with mine. I'm debating bringing it or not to ham mentioned because it's a hard screen to read in the outdoors, and that's the.

One center center pin is positive.

Center, it's center positive. Yes, So I think what Tim is describing, and I had to look up mine because I had mine in my hand a minute ago. What Tim is describing. You can see here the red and black wire on mine. In Tim's case, the red and black wire were reversed by the sound of it, which really surprises me because they're supposed to test every radio it could be they tested it with an external supply.

So the in all fairness, the the pluses and minus is line up with the wiring that's on the three D printed case plate. It was what what is in side the frame itself? And based on this, I'm assuming they got frames and put the pigtails on themselves.

Correct, that's part of.

Their manufacturing process because there's there's there's a protective coating over the solder joints on there. So, like I said, I'm not I'm not upset about it.

Well, just you seem a little upset about it.

Well, I'm not, but.

Vince's point.

I mean, here's a here's a card, right with all these checks that they did, and I don't think that quality control check was on there.

But I'm just.

Saying, but if you do have one of those radios, make sure you double check that because there is no in line. Well, I don't know if I can get detailed enough. But the trace blew the trace off the board. There's a nice clean cut in it. So I don't know if that was by design to as its fault protection or.

A friend of mine, Smitty, commented on the zibit ax and he says, there's a couple of diodes that provide reverse polarity protection, but there's no fuse. But the diodes are at the opposite end of the board from where the power plug is, and so that effectively makes the trace the fuse. You have now proven this to be true.

Yes, So can this be the can this be the gray Man Poda conundrum?

Could be?

I like that, I like that you got to have one bunch of TIMPs.

Yeah, I do, well, you know, and I was wondering if they had some some diodes in there to protect that but because I was looking at the schematic and I was a little confused. As a professional schematic reader, I was, I was a little confused.

Yeah, yeah, there are a couple of dietes in there for reverse polarity protection.

Go ahead, Jason, Yeah, I was gonna. Has Paul started yet.

He's getting close or has started already, But yeah, I already dropped a link into his stream coming up once we are.

I saw it. I saw him, and yeah, he dropped out, and I thought I thought he said he was going to come back, but he might be running on his own thing. Now, okay, well let's uh, let's let's start to wrap this up. I'm going to turn. Uh let's see, I'm gonna turn Uh no, I'm not what am I gonna do here?

Ye?

He is show show self view, and I'm gonna switch over to this screen right Yeah, I've got too many scenes in here. Here we go switch over that screen right there. So, guys, I appreciate everyone who joined us tonight, especially those of you who've not been here before. Welcome to the to the madness. And I do appreciate you guys coming on here and telling us all about the Oh great, now, K five y v y wants to join at the last minute, right as we're shutting down.

I don't know that. I turn on the YouTube and I'm like, oh, ship's Jason.

Man, my bad, I'm sorry, cuse.

Say at the clubhouse.

But yeah, well, I mean thirty seconds, I'm like, man, all this talk y'all talking radios and stuff. It's like I thought I was talking to him, mentioning you're talking about broken new radios.

Well we got we we we were going for almost two hours. Man, we talked to him mention we talked four days in May.

Uh you know onlike clubhouse, Man, we talked the clubhouse, unlike the K five y V watching.

I was actually using a little camera today and I made a video and wow, I'm processing.

So that's great.

That's how about that.

I'm impressed that Joe Brett's got hair.

How about that?

I'm thinking, day, I got a fundraiser. See who wants to shave the head at uh day?

Right?

Yeah, totally, that's totally.

I don't know.

I've been three twenty.

For twenty ye.

Yeah.

So well, like I said, no, I'm not, I'm not, I'm I'm totally we're gonna wrap it up now that you joined us. So uh but no we uh yeah, Frank popped that link in there again. Frank, So prep Pam Paul, who was on with this earlier. He does a live stream after me on Sundays. He started that not too long ago. So y'all go check him out. Last time we shared his link, he said that was a record number of people watching him. So and I

No, you got over ten thousand subscribers.

And we got him over ten thousand, and we got Carlos over like twenty five hundred or whatever it was. So yeah, I love I love doing that sort of thing. So it's fun. That's that's how I have fun. But looking forward to seeing everybody on. Here's okay, So here's a question that I want to leave you guys with. And I was gonna bring this up earlier, and we just kind of got sidetracked. I am driving to Dayton.

Yeah, on forty you'll get good continental coverage for people driving in from all over.

Forty might not be too bad. Yeah, for he might think, I think forty might Yeah, forty might not be too bad. So I might think on that and put something in on Twitter or on uh Instagram or something in the next couple of days. I will say this for sure, we will be monitoring all Star on the way in So those of you with All Star join four three one three six. My All Star Club server Club cloud server is what I'm trying to say, Hub all Star Hub Cloud server is what I'm trying to say. Hug

So but that's gone temperature on a cooler.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll be monitoring how much whiskey's in my glass. So but yeah, so so looking forward to seeing everybody next weekend. Like I said, we'll be there Wednesday afternoon. I'll probably gonna do a live stream from the camp site. Maybe Wednesday night, I don't know yet, Maybe Thursday night, I'm not sure yet. Well at some point in time I will, but but that's where we'll be going. So seventy three to all, looking forward to

Never know, so pon just to be safe, I carry one.

With me everywhere I go, so no problem. So seventy three guys, thanks for joining tonight, y'all go check out prep Pam Paul's stream that's going right now. Frank dropped that in there once more, and we'll catch you in a few days. And dating seventy three