How often should you be required to ID when you are on parks, on the air, when you're working a pile up, even a pilot from anywhere, When you're working a pilot from anywhere, how often should you ID? And what is the best practice scenario? I want to talk about this today because this is something we've talked about before. But this is a good article I found, So let's go. Today's video is sponsored by Mezi and Poloni Koax save a ten percent discount on all of their products at
the link in the description. Blow with the coupon code of HR two cables once again. This is another Reddit article. I almost said QRZ once again. This is another Reddit article. It's seventeen days old at the time of this recording, and it says rant constantly calling qrzed, never giving your call sign. Now there's a few there. This is a short article and there's a few good comments on this. But this is something we have I've talked about before.
We talked about this on live streams. I've done live streams with the Hamrado Happy Hour, I've done live streams with other guests whatnot, and we have talked about calling qr Z and running pile ups and how to do PODA and PoTA etiquette and all of this kind of stuff. We've talked about many of these things before, so when I saw this article, it kind of hit home for me, and I want to talk about it. This guy's mostly correct. I don't agree with one hundred percent of what he says,
but he is mostly correct. He says, I've been trying to make a contact with the PoTA station for the last five minutes so, and there's a comment later on that that speaks to this. So, according to the article, he tries for five minutes to make contact with the PoTA station and then stops to write this QRZ article. Really, I don't know. It's just the way it's worded. Man, It's just the way it's worded. Okay, as far as I'm aware of, the guy's call sign seems to be QRZ.
The guy has not once given his call since I've tuned up on the frequency. Well, first of all, if you have only been there for five minutes, then he's not required to ID because you're required to ID once every ten minutes. So the point so far is moot. Okay, you might not like it, but there's nothing. There's no rules being broken here. I know I could make a contact and ask for it, but I shouldn't have to.
This is just common courtesy to identify yourself. Maybe not every time you call, but every second and fourth call seems reasonable. No, Well, to you, it might, but if you're in the middle of running a pile up, you just may not be thinking about it. If he's just working people over and over again without ID and they aren't asking for his ID, they're getting it from somewhere, So where are they getting it from that you're not seeing. He goes on to say, who are you? What are
you calling about? Why should I make contact with you? That's a good point. I do think it's annoying when PoTA operators are not like saying QRZ parks on the air. I usually say my calls on. I'll say CAC five H shild B parks on the air, and I'll say qr ZED from k C five H should be parks on the air, something like that. Calling QRZ at this point ten minutes he's okay, Now he's in ten minutes straight without iding is just kind of obnoxious. If he's
passed the ten minute mark, then he's in the wrong. Okay, but this is the first time he's been in the wrong so far. You ought to be proud of your call signs spewed all over the airways. When activating, you might find your pile ups get a bit bigger from people like me coming back to you instead of getting frustrated with QRZ and moving along. Okay, all right, so there's some merit to that. I think he's got a point. It is a little bit frustrating when Poda operators won't id.
But as another this is not for myself. I've worked parks on the air. I've activated ninety two unique parts one hundred and eighty five activations. And the only reason I know that number I don't have it memorized. I just uploaded some potologus like two days ago, so I looked. I was like, okay, I'm up to ninety two unique parks. I need eight more to break that one hundred marks, so we'll be doing that soon. But regardless of that,
I have worked pile ups on Poda. You can really kind of get rolling, and I find it a little bit unusual that no one came along and for his call sign during that ten minutes that this poster was talking about. I find that a little odd. Usually you'll have someone who's impatient who calls back to you that asks for your call sign because they don't have the patience to listen to you. Usually you'll hear that. So it's a little odd, but it's not impossible. Obviously, it's
not impossible. It's totally doable that you could just go on for that long and not have anyone ID, or you wouldn't ID and no one would come back to you with your call sign either. So that is a possibility. So some of these comments are really good. The first one says, so ask for their call sign, maybe that will remind him to give it more often. He comes
back that someone else replies to him. I've actually had this where I made a PoTA contact with another park and then when I made the contact, they just acknowledged me and went back to calling. Okay, so this guy was not a very good operator. Then the elmer who was with me and did the PODA at the same time finally took my mic and had to ask a
half dozen times, getting increasingly annoyed. Finally, one other station must have heard and was like, hey, you got several people asking for a call sign, when are you going to id? And that's when he took and that's what it took to get it. Yeah, so that's just kind of a careless operator. And I wasn't there. I didn't hear this exact exchange, but from what you're describing, this sounds like a careless operator. And then this third and
fourth one. Yeah, he's like, correct, you already had the microphone in your hand, but instead you put down the mic picked up the keyboard to scurry off to Reddit to piss and moan about people who aren't even there. This is a very low chance the Poda guy will even see this thread. OPI has become the dreaded guy who was yelling at clouds. Okay, so yeah, So, like I said at the beginning, it's unlikely that you actually listened to him for five minutes and then went and
wrote this article. So you're probably this probably happened to you earlier in the day and you're writing it and you were looking at the time. I get it, I get it. It's cool. It's just the way it's worded is a little bit strange. I thought it's one of those things, but either way. Either way. Now, one thing I will say about parks on the air is that if you are doing parks on the air, if you are set up in the park, you should be using Mezzi and Plony Coax. MMP Coacs is the sponsor of
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be bothered to listen before throwing out their call. So yes, this right here in the original poster replies as I agree, which is why I wait to hear a call before making contact. But if I have to wait ten minutes to get your call, I'm not going to make contact. I can see that point as well. So with me, this is my personal opinion, this is my personal experience. Okay. And I have several times been calling cqpodaqpoda and I'll start working a pile up and I'll say, okay, qrzed.
The next guy come back to me, okay QRZ. The next guy will come back to me, okay QRZ from Kilo Charlie five Hotel, Whiskey bubble Parks in the air. The next guy will come back to me, and then someone else will come back to me. Okay, And I have just said my call sign like a minute and a half prior to that, like a minute and a half prior to that, I said my call sign, and then someone comes back to me and says, now, what's your call sign again? I'm like Why are you calling
someone that you don't know what their call sign is? Why? Why are you You can't be bothered to listen for more than ninety seconds because I just gave my call sign okay, and I'll probably give it again in two or three other roundabouts. But that is what I find more annoying than anything. I have listened and hunted PODA a lot of times in the truck. If I've got my HEF radio setup, which I do right now, a
lot of times in the truck, I will listen. I will just scroll through the band and listen for people calling c Q PODA, and I'll do PODA hunting that way. And yes, sometimes it takes some people a long time to give their ID, that's true, But I think that's my experience is then that that's not as common, and it's much more common for someone to come along while you're activating PODA and call you and say, now, what's your call sign? I'm like, how do you not know
my call sign? It just gave it ninety seconds ago, and why are you working me? Because if you didn't hear that, you probably didn't hear I was doing parks on the air, So why are you calling back to me. Maybe I'm doing a special event that you don't care about. How do you know? That's kind I find that kind of annoying. That's my own personal rant. But there you go, right there, all right? So this one right here, this
next comment right here, I especially liked. This was replied by Dan KB six and you now I'm gonna say right here. Dan's a great guy. He taught the technician class on my channel. It's currently he makes the no nonsense guides, and he taught a six hour technician class on this channel that you can go watch now if you want to get your first time radio license. And he's an excellent teacher and an excellent operator. But I don't agree with what he says here. So let's read
this really quick. Okay, Angry Fox brewing? Cool? Is that a brewery? I need to go check that out. PODA in a pile up can definitely mean QRZ gets called a few times between the activators, but I agree ten minutes between ideas far too long. I personally try to id every other call of QRZED when I'm trying to activate and make sure listening stations can get the information and their log when they get through the pile up. It's also fair to just ask the station for their
call sign immediately upon them coming back to you. That will likely help you and all the other stations listening if the idea is infrequent. Agreed, agreed, Yeah, so asking for their ideas good. And then Dan comes along the he says, not only is it too short to wait, is actually illegal to do so. The rules say you have to id every ten minutes or at the end of the communication, so that station should be iding after
every q so. And then some guy came along and says, well, that rule didn't apply to me because I'm not in the United States. Blah blah blah blah whatever. Okay, yeah, quite literally, you're being too persnickety on that reply there. Yeah, maybe you haven't grown up yet. Yeah that makes sense. Okay, it's the dude's name. I don't know. But more back to the point with what Dan said. Okay, not only is it too long to wait, it's actually illegal to do so. I disagree. I disagree it's illegal to do so.
Dan is correct when he says it's required to ide at the end of a communication, But in my mind, your PoTA activation is the communication. Just because you're talking to multiple people doesn't mean you haven't stopped the activation. You haven't gone qRT, you haven't put the mic down and packed up and gone home. You're still going if I work one contact, which would would mean that I don't activate the park. So let's say ten. If I work ten contacts or I work one hundred and ten
contacts on the potoactivation, that's one PoTA activation. Assuming I do it within the twenty four hour UTC day, that's one PoTA activation, and I should ID at the end of I should idea every ten minutes, absolutely, but I should IDA at the end of that complete set of activation contacts. I don't think in the best spirit of the rules to end your to IDA at the end of every communication means if you're working a pilot and working one hundred people, that you have to IDEA a
hundred times. I don't think that's what it means, or at least I don't interpret it that way. So I don't agree with what I see what he's saying, and he's not wrong. I'm just not defining the communication the same way that Dan is. I would like to know what you guys think about that specific topic inside of this whole topic. Put a comment in the video, blow, I'd like to know what you think. There's a few more comments in here, but they're all kind of basically
the same thing. I mean, the guy was obviously the activator, was obviously not iding often enough, no question there. If he was iding more than ten minutes, he was not iding often enough. But it's on you also, you as the hunter. You could go act to talk to him and ask for his call sign. There's nothing wrong with that either. I understand you don't want to do that, and you're like, well, I shouldn't have to, And I guess technically you're correct, But how much do you want
to be right? Do you want to be right and not make the contact and not have that log that person content. Maybe you need that state for worked all states. Maybe you need that park because you're park hunter. I don't know. Is it worth not making the contact just because you think he's not operating correctly and something else? I think, and this is just kind of my own personal thing as well, but it seems to me like if you ID after every transmission that screams new operator.
To me, everyone starts somewhere You learn as you go, you get better. We should all be doing parks on the air pilops and getting better, getting to be better operators. You'd always strive to be a better operator. I would like to know what you guys agree about this entire topic and article. I'll put a link to the article in the description in the in the in the description blow, you guys can go check it out in the comments section. Thanks for watching today.