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E1258: Analyzing the Guohetec PMR-171 with the TinySA

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The video I made about the PMR-171 has been quite popular. See that here - https://youtu.be/pG4Id8TmDec On tonight's Livestream, I will be testing the spectrum analysis of the transmissions from this radio, using a TinySA Ultra. Thanks to Guohetec for sending me this radio, and to Seesii for the TinySA Ultra

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Thank you for choosing to download the Ham Radio two point zero audio podcast RIP. This is the audio taken out of a video or a live stream I did recently. You can catch all my videos on YouTube Ham Radio two point zero and catch us live every Sunday night at seven pm Central Standard Time for a different topic each week. Thank you for the support, and thank you for being a member of the community. One two, Here we go just like that and transition there. Okay, good evening, Thanks for joining us.

Tonight, guys, it's another Sunday night, and I hope everyone had a really good Thanksgiving last weekend. And tonight we're gonna be talking about some about more about this radio here. Now, I've already done a video about this radio, and if you haven't seen that, go back and look at it. But it got quite a few views, so you've probably see not

already. We're gonna do some testing on it tonight. But there's a couple of quirks with it that I just learned like half hour ago, and uh so we're gonna test the HF side of it, and I'll explain that here in a minute. A couple of quick things. I'm gonna go a little bit faster tonight than normal because we've got another live stream upcoming. So the first thing I'll talk about, excuse me, is the that the uh, the Gigaparts Explorer box is still on sale for twenty bucks off and you can

get five percent discount case five HWB. That's still going. I can't remember if they said they were gonna last that until the end of the year or the end of the month, And obviously it's it's the third of the month now, so they didn't end it in November, and I'm thinking that it's maybe last through like Christmas and New Year's but I don't know so, and I don't know how much stock they have, how much inventory they have.

They might roll the price back up once the inventory has gone. But you can save twenty five dollars now with the twenty percent or twenty dollars discount and the five percent off, So go check that out. Immediately following this stream, we're gonna do our monthly live stream on Unplugged Channel. I've got Hank Strange coming on and we're gonna talk about vans, the van aspect of RV's vans for overlanding and a possible van build that I would like to do and

i'm considering I'm thinking about doing, but I haven't. I'm still doing my research on it. So that's we're gonna be talking about that here in about an hour. I've got it scheduled for eight fifteen to start at eight fifteen. We'll actually start it somewhere between eight and eight fifteen. We'll end this one right at eight and I got to reset all my settings and then we'll go live over there. So check that out. Check that out here if you can, and then uh yeah, okay, that's pretty much it there,

so I want to do. I do want to give a shout out to all the folks in green text in the chat, all the YouTube channel members. I saw Freddie Mack in there pretty early. What's up man? I saw Andy in there, AA zero AM is in there. WB seven out, tom Ham Radio Wilderness with Frank is in there. Let's see who else. N five SKT is in there. Phil W zero HP is in there. And really appreciate you guys joining the live stream and supporting the channel

the way that you do. And of course I see uh uh smoke signals is oh Izzo's in the chat. I saw him early on in there too, and smoking apes in the chat, which should tell you who's in the who's in actually in the uh in the chat with me tonight? Oh you guys are muted. Hold on there we go. Okay, what's up, guys? How are y'all doing? Haldy howdy? What's going on there?

Jason? How are you tonight? Oh? Man? You know what, it's actually kind of warm in the shock tonight this year seventy three degrees outside according to my phone earlier, and I'm like, what is that about, Like, give me a break. So December and it gets up to seventy degrees so I don't know. Uh yeah, so so that's what we're gonna do. So yeah, so this uh so, I hit up eight this morning and I'm like, dude, I kind of decided this at the last

minute. Would you like to come on and help me kind of go through this on the on the tiny essa And he was gracious enough to join me. So, you guys, thank him because he it was the very last minute for him. But uh yeah, so I appreciate you being here. Ape, no no words, So sorry, sorry about the mix up with the dates. That's all right, that's that's that's not problem. It's all good. We got it worked out. So so this guy right here and we're gonna set this is the Ultra, and I did, oh, it's

underneath here. So my Ultra came in a smaller box than the This is the tiny Essa and this is the Tiny Essay Ultra. Now that's that one's a taller box this way. But uh anyway, so that's the that's the original tiny Essay I've got and it is. Here's the difference in size. Because ape was on the live stream what about a month ago, yeah, I think. So we did some some testing of a fang and a Yazoo radio with that, so that's the difference in size there. So we did

that video and one of the guys on Amazon reached out to me. He's like, I'm gonna send you an Ultra like okay, so yeah. The thing about the Ultras is is that there are no known clone ones out there, so there are of the smaller one. The Chinese haven't caught up with the Altra yet. Okay, that's good to know. Okay, Yeah, somebody from Amazon's he was like, hey, I've got this, can you

share the link? So I'm like, yeah, sure. So the link you see in the description of this video to the Tiny essay Ultra on Amazon is from that company. So that's what we got. What is the difference between the Ultra and Tiny. The Tiny goes up to about nine hundred megahertz that is split between two input ports. So most of the time when you see folks doing these tests, they're only testing one harmonic. They're not testing

a third, which is usually the one that is most troublesome. And the other one is that on the Ultra, if you enable ultra mode, I think it goes up to five point one gigahertz. Now it goes super duper high. I was thinking three point five, but I don't remember it. It mays the latest firmware boosted even higher. Wow. Okay, okay, good. Yes, if you're if you're in the market to buy one,

you're you're much much better off getting the getting the Ultra. They're not that much more, honestly, no, so yeah, yeah, And Jeff, Jeff makes a good point here in the chat. RNL has a great price on the Ultra. So if you don't want to buy from Amazon, you want to buy from a ham radio retailer. RNL sent me my tiny essay. But then this this guy, the Sessi company on that Frank just shared,

they sent me the Ultra. So yeah, but but yeah, RNL has a full line of tiny essays, nano vns and all that kind of good stuff. He does a really good job of stocking those. Yeah, and he's one of the preferred sellers from the Yes from the designer. Now, I don't know if you say CC or Sessi or whatever, I don't know. I've done plenty of work with them and they have solid products too. Okay, good, good, all right, So this guy, so we're gonna go through the two or three steps to set this thing up real

quick. This one came with and maybe my other one did too, and I just didn't notice it. This one came with an actual stylus. It still has the guitar pick looking thing, which I don't really like, but this one came with an actual stylust. There. It is in the big camera. There, it is in the little camera right there. So just switch over to the big camera. So this this guy right here, So that's a lot easier to use in my book. Yeah, the guitar pick

sucks. Yeah, Yeah, I didn't like that either. All right, So let's take us through the steps of about setting this thing up again. Eight. So you want to connect the cables like we did before. Use the cables to connect the two ports together. That's the first step. And you're going to do this to eventually tune it. I was, I forgot who else with They had a tiny essay, and I was it was interesting to watch him use it. Do you have to tune it every time every

time you use it? Or is this is a first operation procedure. It's a first operation procedure. Now, if you you affectually reset on it or firmware upgrade, you're gonna need to You're gonna need to recal Okay, all right, here we go, got it, all right? And then so in the menu you want to go to config and then under that you'll have self test. Yep, Jeff saying, break out the pomp pile. I got this white one here. I don't even know where it came from,

but it's easier to see, you know what I mean? Like I got right bad eyes, so the black one gets lost in the sauce. So when I'm drawing, I got my touch. Yeah, magnet side of the desk where I'll never find it. That looks like it's with a surface Pro stylus. This was the surface Pro three stylists, which for some reason it stopped working on my stylist now, so I gotta use my finger. I

lost the one for my Samsung tablet and then bought another one. They were forty bucks each, and then I found found the first one that I lost. But man, I tell you the pen the stylist for the iPads is ninety nine dollars. Oh that's yeah. Wow, that's that's Apple for you. That's how they get you. Yeah, that's how they get you. That's true. You stay away from those fruit products if you want quality.

I don't know what it's doing here, but it looks like it's do you have a top Town view that we could Oh never mind, I looked over and I can see it here. It's it's on it's on YouTube. Yeah. I'm used to you feeding back your video. Yeah yeah, yeah, I'm not doing that right now. Question from Don here, how long does

the battery last on the Tiny essay or on the radio. Well, the Tiny Essay I've never had to die because I just charge it up like most time I want I use it. I haven't hooked to the computer anyway, but yeah, I've never been like, let me turn this on and fire up the Stopwatch. Not that don talks like that, but but I've just I've just never done it. So that that has a built in battery, then does it does? Yes? Yeah, yeah, and it's USBC chargeable.

I plugged both the radio battery and the tiny essay in a couple hours ago to make sure everything was charged up for the stream tonight. But that tiny Essay after I charge it about a month ago when when Ape and I were doing that last video, I haven't charged it since then, and I kicked it on today just to see if it's still fine, and it does. So it was fine. Yeah, So but this uh, this screen

here, it doesn't look like it's it's going through. Oh okay, I'm sorry, touch screen to continue if I would read it, I was because they were all blue turning green, and then the last one never turned green, so it just okay every day, So I think we covered that. So now you want to go into config and then pick level cow and now they'll do the level calibration level cow okay, and then I should go pretty quick too. It's got it's giving me a menu. Calibrate one hundred,

kill hurts to five point three gigahertz, calibrate above or resets. I guess like I want to do the one hundred to five point three. Yeah, which is more than enough. I mean because when you're talking harmonics, like on twenty meters for example, if that's what we're gonna test, right, you know, they don't they don't go it's a couple hundred bigs. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're not gonna Okay, says calibration busy. It's you go pretty quick. I think I can change you guys to an overhead

view. I think, well, maybe not. I don't know. Hold on, tell me if that's the overhead yep, okay, all right, now you can see the overhead sure cool? Yeah, Frank, watch the uh I got the chat as I watched the chat. Yeah. If y'all have any questions, I'll go ahead and note them, and if they feed into conversation nicely, I'll do it then. Or we'll do a lightning ground at the closer to the end of the stream and we'll power through all of

them. Yeah, for us, they overheads upside down. I don't know if it's like that on the stream, but no, it's probably goofy zoom doing that stuff. Yeah. Uh okay, signal level incorrect. Check cable between connectors and uh touch stream to continue. So the cable's nice and tight. Resee them and try it again. I've got a second cable here, and I've got the same two cables that I had with my old one too, so uh, it's in configure and then it's level cow. Uh yeah,

I'm in configure now level cow. That calibreed. Okay, try it again. If not, I'll change the cable. That's fine. Uh yeah. Unfortunately these things don't come with the best quality cables. Oh yeah, d E d E two t r F. I appreciate you. Uh, I appreciate you thinking I speak German, but I don't, Buddy, I'm sorry, two speak German in there? Well he's speaking German in there. Yeah, let's translate now. Now you got me curious. I can. I can do the Google Translate thing, but I'm kind of in the middle

of something else right now. So yeah, the problem for me is that I can speak German, but I can't read it. Oh oh really okay, all right, so he says, uh him two point oh cool video. I share it like it to seventy three D D E two t r F Germany. I love USAO M videos. Nice. Okay, well, thanks for being here, buddy. And the bad English is I'm going to give it to Google. Oh no, that's okay, yeah, Google translates. Google translates, not that. Okay, okay, D E two is

the name named? Gun there? I believe, so begins gun there. Okay, calibration complete, touch screen to continue. All right, we're good to go. That one's done. All right, So now we need to connect the antenna output from how do you say the name of that radio? I call it goog oh headache, but I'm sure that's wrong. The PMR. Well it's funny because when you said you were testing the whatever radio PMR, I was like, isn't it like the British it is gmrs. Yeah,

yeah, yeah. There's a lot of people that came on my first video and said that, and I'm like, I didn't name the thing, man, That's just what its model number is it is. It's kind of a goofy model number. You want to connect the antenno of the radio to to the to the r F side. Yeah, the r S side's while

you're doing that is funny. Other Andy saying you can order a beer in German, I can, so like when I go to when I go to Disney every year, that's the only time I get to speak German to the folks at Epcot, and I'm like, you can move dein beer oundenheineretzel because they have the giant pretzels. So I get a beer in a pretzel one on there. There you go. Nice forty five says now we've got to translate tank into English. Oh, I don't know if i'd want to do

that. Okay, So one thing we're real quick that I noticed right as I was setting up for the stream, and I should have noticed this before, but I didn't. So on the top of this this this this radio has a intenta port for I think it goes one to seventy four megga hurtz, I think is what it is. Or zero point no, zero point one to seventy four. That's this one here it's a B and C connector this one on the top that goes seventy to five hundred and twenty megahertz.

Right here, this looks like a B and C port, but it's got threads around it, so it's more like a oh, like a mini uh It's probably like mini UHF mini UHF. I think, yeah, because it looks just because from looking at it from the top down, it looks like a B and C. So I tried to put the B and C connector on it, and it doesn't fit because because the B and c's are not threaded obviously, So I think that's a mini UF port. So I'm have

to get in and I don't have a mini UHF adapter. So in other words, we're not gonna be able to test the VHF UHF output today. We're just gonna have to stick to HL I think. I think you're right. I googled it and it looks like a mini the thread Okay, well, see I went into the manual and that's what I had. I had this up earlier. Let's see if I go, no, yeah, right here, this right here tells me the output of the radio, and it

just says UV segment Antenna interface frequency seventy four to five twelve. It didn't tell me what the connector is. I could probably dig through the manuals forty two pages and find it. Maybe, I don't know. Yeah, Don said it's the same as the Sun SDR. So I do have the adapters because I had to get them for my son sd R. You Miniu h F Yeah, yeah, court or B and C. What's that is the the the h F port is B and C. Yes. Why did she

put two different ones? I don't know. I thought they wanted to force force you to acknowledge that there's a difference. That's probably that's possible. I mean that that's that's possible. But uh, yeah, so I had to kind of I had to kind of, yeah, I had to frankenstein that because I didn't have a B and C to s M a mail or a B and C mail to s M a mail. So I had to kind

of frankenstein this here a little bit. Yeah. So I've had a couple of people ask me to test that radio out, and I was like, I'm not spending six hundred bucks on that radio, right, So I figured, Jason will send me that one to test out, and if you want to see that, go ahead, put a one in the chat. Put a look. I would I I would do that if I wasn't sending this to someone else already, h and I and I and I'm sending it because okay, so long story short, this radio is supposed to do DMR.

It has a if you go into the menu, if you watch my first video, it does eleven meters. They call it C. I think they call it CB twenty seven megas it does DMR, and it does, and it has an APRS feature in there. So I was talking to I was. The company emailed me after I put out my first video and they're like, hey, we loved your video. What you said you were going to do some more. What other videos are you planning to do with it? And I was like, well, I want to do a DMR and APRS.

I want to do a take it in the field, do some PODA with it, and et cetera, this kind of thing. And they email back they said, oh, well you don't have the DMR module installed. And I'm like, well, that's kind of that's a little bit hokey because it's in the menu, so if you have, if you have to get and I said, well, can you send me the module, I'll install it. They're like, no, we don't want to do that, because

it takes quite a bit of soldering. I don't know if if it actually takes quite a bit of soldering and they're just trained, or if they're just like, oh, you just got to do a pin into here and they don't understand. Now, Ham's work because I can do a little bit of soldering. Hey, you need to hear attenuator in line this right here? Yeah? Yeah. So anyway, so I said, Okay, that's fine, I said, I said, how do I get Can I send this radio back to you to get the DMO? I said, because I do

a lot of DMR videos. And they said, uh, go ahead and tell me eight what's next? Did that ship from the motherland or it did? No, you need the you need the attenuator in line with the antenna output and uh going into the into the essay. I need it here. Yeah, yeah, they're or coming out of the radio. It either one's fine, Okay, I thought, I needed the intenuator coming out of the

essay. Okay, it's got to be on the in the transmission line where we're going to send a signal, okay, And then what comes out of the calibrate side of the essay nothing, nothing, okay, all right, okay, let me reconfigure this then. So I just remembered it wrong, I guess. So anyway, so they said they they wrote back to me. They said, I'll tell you what. We'll send you another one with

a module installed. I said, okay, and you can just send this one to another place or another I think they set another partner or something, some kind of weird term like that right in the United States. And I said, okay, sure, yeah, who do you want me to send it to? And guess who's addressed they sent me Josh, You're like, send it. His name is Josh Nass and here's his dress. I'm like, holy crap, I've heard of him. Yeah, I've heard of him.

So no, that's not right. You should have pulled the who's that? Yeah exactly, yeah, who, I'm not sure you're talking. You might have to use that other cable coming out of the that Yeah, oh you know what, that'll make it longer, even better. So okay, good, I've got it comes with a barrel adapter, but I don't need

it, so that's good. Yeah. So I'm gonna send this one to Josh when I'm done with it. And I told him I was making this video today where I was told I told him I was making a second video, which this, this spectrum analyzer test, is what I wanted to do. And then uh, and then I'm gonna send this one to Josh, and they're sending me one with a DMR module installed. So I'm really looking forward to trying the DMR side of it. So I'm assuming that's a q

RP radio. Right, it's twenty, what's okay, Well, we don't want to set it that high. Okay, we probably could get away with ten, but five is probably safest. Okay, is that the right port? I thought the ports plugged in right now? It is the tuning signal generation port. It says r F right here, okay, and this is calibrate calibrate right here. Yeah, you want to be in the RF coort. Yeah, okay, So let's go in here and uh yeah, I got it in the AF okay, so let's go. I gotta figure out

how to do uh turn the power down? Yeah? See, Okay, so right here you might not be able to see that because it might be a little washed out in the screen. But DMR is the first thing on the top of the min when you when you long press the menu, get d m R. And then the one at the bottom left is a pr S. Yeah, that's actually pretty cool that if it could do those right, and then the one in the middle is frequency hopping spread spectrum f hs

S. I don't know what it does with that. So so he gave you a radio that doesn't have DMR, but it has all the DMR options selling on the menu, right right, Yeah, I thought that makes sense. I thought that was a little strange myself. But yes, okay, come on, I don't know where the power output is. But yeah, Mike, you you're right. That does look like it's a the reverse hilarity looks like it's a female on that on the radio, okay, mode to

no, no, no, no, not that. So this is supposed to be the I guess, the seven o five competitor out of China, right, So I guess, yeah, a little bit, or I'm gonna have to look at the manual to figure out how to turn the power down because I have no idea. It's supposed to be a competitor and it's that bulky. Well, I don't Mark, I don't really, I don't really think that's what they're going for. They're going for more of like the man

pack portable thing. Yeah, because you would drop that into like a pack that is right, like a bucket pack yeah yeah, yeah, or like a tech prepper type yeah pack or something like that. So power, let's do this, okay, But with that battery, man, it probably would be able to transmit longer because that's a hul combatterund back. Because I'm a g naughty alternative, I can believe that maybe a G ninety, yeah, that might be a little bit power adjustment. Is the p A button?

PA is right here? All right, let's get out of that menu. There's buttons look awful close together too. My fat fingers would have problems. Maybe use a stylist to push them right, Yeah, yeah, they definitely do that. There's not an exit button on here either. Digital Dreamer, I don't know, man, My G ninety is pretty awesome. I think for four hundred bucks, the G ninety is a pretty pretty good deal.

It's a pretty good Yeah, it's a great starter radio. But however, you need to buy it with your eyes open knowing it's only twenty watts off the back. Yes, but the other one is if you want to do any digital modes, getting audio in and out out of things a little bit of a pain in behind it. Okay, I don't know how to get out of the menu. Let's see reboot, reboot and went in doubt. Yeah, okay, Yeah, there's place in there to put my calls on

you and I haven't done that yet either, Tim. Does it have TikTok installed? Natively? I wish? Okay, yeah, okay, so PA power adjustment. That's this little button here. It's up at twenty wats now you want it? You wanted at five eight? Yeah, I do it at five five. Okay, good, we'll do that, all right, beautiful, And I need to go to change and yeah, if you didn't see my other video, there's a band button here and one it's on one forty four now, but above one forty four is CB. That's the one

that's highlighted there. I know it's washed out in the screen. I wonder what the FCC says about that. I'm not sure. I have not I have not asked them. I don't understand. Why can't you sell radios that are multi license as long as you have the license and the rights, Who cares in my opinion, I do have a question while you're messing with the radio here, Donna is asking is the case plastic or metal? It is? It is metal. It feels like a like a like a V seventy

one or an FtM three hundred type case type metal. How do you hit enter for crying out loud? I thought you hit enter by pushing this button down, but that's not working. Menu? Okay, there it is. Okay, there's fourteen three three hundred or fourteen zero rather, I'm sorry, I'm gonna go to fourteen dot two. Okay, we're at fourteen dot two right there. If you guys can see that, yep, and we need to go to we don't sideband has no carrier, so we don't want to

do sideband. So what do you suggest? If it has a ready mode that will key when you press the hand mike, that's usually the that's the way I typically do it. If not, you could do AM. There's AM, y FM R t U what that is SDR DMR. Let's okay, let's do the it doesn't go well, it's y FM and okay, we can do FM on twenty meters go figure. I mean it's only it's only uh five watts, and see if it doesn't. Yeah, yeah, let's see there's the microphone there. Transmit disabled. Okay, so no it

does not do it. Uh RTU. I wonder what that is. Transmit disable Okay, I don't know. There's a mode called SDR. I still don't know what that is. Doesn't make any sense. No, so you get turn on and off the sdrnis of the radio. I guess am mode one. It's radio works mode to the radio doesn't it's still saying transmit disabled on fourteen dot two hundred. What the hell on am transmit Okay, it's not liking that at all. Huh. Yeah, I'm really glad I didn't

buy one of those. You know, it's it's it's in a lot of a lot of the comments I got in the original video were hey, cool radio, poor execution, and I'm like, yeah, yeah, I can it's it's neat, but I mean it obviously needs a few updates. That's about six hundred bucks right, uh six and thirty five and eighteen cents. I'm on sale right now, yep, And there you go in Allie Express. Just in case. By the way, the website you linked is sold out. Ah, well, there you go. That's the transmit is an

extra module? Who knew? Who knew? Oh boy? Okay, so what can we do here? That's upper side so you won't even transmit on upper sidebands? Its transmit disabled? Is it in the right mode? Is it in a CB mode? Since it has CB on there? Do you have to tell it SEB as a band not a mode? So yeah, you'd have to go to the SE. Well do you have to tell it to be on the amateur radio bands? Like some of the newer radios.

You can buy them and get them on part ninety seven, but then you want to use them a part ninety five, you have to tell it to be on part ninety five, and then it won't transmit in the amateur bands. Yeah, that's not This thing's pretty much full open. Let's see, Yeah, i'd imagine it is. Well, right now, it looks like full close. You know what I'm saying, right, yeah, exactly?

Yeah, Okay, Nope, it's not working either. Well, take a look at that manual and see if it has a transmitted transit transmit screen. Guys, I know it now. To be honest, this actually is a good screen because someone I bet we'll have to get this radio and have this exact problem on our don and five SKT the radio seven and fifty dollars. All the options included GPRS and DMR. Interesting, seven fifty bad? Can they give us fifty watts? True? It does do a lot of stuff,

but I don't know. Seven fifty though, plus DMR that that I could see that. I can see that for a radio, right, and DMR HF and UHI VHF. I think that is almost a complete package in itself. Oh yeah, let's see. You got the link to this radio and the chat. No, it's in the description of the video. Yeah, I also linked it into the chat above him. Okay, okay, good, do you want it? I could throw it into our I got. I'm taking a look at it. M m mmm. Let's see.

Okay. Do they offer the manual on their website? Yes? Check, yeah, that's that's where I'm That's where I showed it here a second ago. M hm. Why is it still there on that sales site? They have the manual? Oh, nicem so maybe under specifications or something. They need an exit button to exit out of whatever menu you're in. Uhm, it's play nope, think pad, think pad mode and rebuild, saying his came with a paper manual. Mine did not come with a paper manual.

Mine did. When I did my first video, I said it didn't come with a manual at all. What I didn't say is it came with the USB drive. So I'm like, yeah, I'm not I'm not putting that in my computer. I'll just look up the manual on my mind. So it does have a USBA drive with it, but I'm like, yeah, I don't really think I want to do that, all right, Transmit to TX disabled huh. Okay, well you know what, let's try another band that was twenty meters? Are you sure what you were in? Band?

Just out of curiosity? Yeah, fourteen two hundred that's extra but yes, no it's not or well okay, yeah, you're right it is. It says launch operation factory lock TX opening method ready, Yes, long press of menu and then use arrow keys to pick set YEP where I was in there second ago, Okay, go ahead, and then tap menu again. Just tap it and then find TX E N YEP, then use the left arrow

key to select one okay, and long press menu to exit. Okay, there we go okay, it's probably there's probably locked from them because of the regions, or you could probably change it to different regions. Yeah, okay, all right, so let's go back to twenty meters. Okay, and let's go ahead and go because Frank's right, that is the extra portion. Let's go to two fifty. Man, those words just just filled me up with happiness. I know, I know. Sometimes I'll say it. It

does sound like a cheat code. It does, okay, fourteen dot two fifty on AM and that's doing something. Yeah, I saw the essay jump, so sorry on the tiny essay. You want to go to the main menu and then go to measure main menu and measure measure okay, yep.

And then under there you should see harmonic yep. I'm just gonna ask you for the frequency, so type in whatever frequency the radio is tuned too in mega hurts yeah, fourteen dot two five oh, and then hit the M the M. Okay, all right, it went back to the same screen here, and do it again fourteen m like mike, yep, Okay, there we go. All right. Now, what you want to do is you want to go back into the menu, the main menu, and then

there should be an option called level level. Yes, so pick that, and then under level you should have something that says external gain like ex g N I think is what it is. Ext gain. It's set at zero dot zero dB yes, or hit that, and then you want to do negative forty times one times one. Yeah, okay, all right. Now when you key up, you should get a you should get a table at the top that's going to show you all of the all of the frequencies that

it's seen. Oh yeah, so give it a second or two to settle down, and all of them should be forty dB below. Let me just double check it's forty I think, actually it's forty three on HF I'm getting one at fifty six and one at like sixty. Yeah, so it's clean. On this should say like negative fifty six dbc ont at like twenty seven to twenty eight mega hurts at negative fifty five to it's jumping between fifty four

and fifty five dbc. Yeah, that's it's clean. And then fourteen O three, which is set to fourteen dot twenty five it's at forty dBm. Yeah it sounds about so it's and there's a third one that keeps popping up and down. But it's it's yeah, order way now, Wow, I'm impressed. I'll tell you what. Put that joker on thirty meters because that's where they usually have trouble. Okay, we can do that. I thought I thought this was going to be dirty, I told Aprili. I was

like, I'm sure this is gonna be dirty as hell. Well, we're going to test it. We're going to test it once you get the adapter in because I bet you, I bet you what is thirty usually a problematic band because what they'll do is they'll share band pass filters or i'm sorry, low pass filters for thirty meters with either two, twenty or forty, And so that's one that's usually is almost guaranteed to be bad. It is thirty because it would have to put an extra set of band past filters in there.

I'm sorry, low past filters in there. So it's like, okay, I don't have the thirty meter band memorized FPE labs, thirty might not be included. It's in here, Gym, it's in here, okay, and now we need to we need to change this on the tiny SA too, don't we. Yeah. So you want at the main menu, you want to go measure harmonic and then put the new frequency in ten dot one

yep. And then you got to go back into the level counts at the external gain again not level COLG, just level level yep, external gain yep. And then negative times one yep. Okay, all right, so we're at one twenty five here. Oh my gosh, didn't like that. Okay, okay, now your peak what is that? So the fundamental which is the frequency in the top left hand corner, what is that saying? From

a dB standpoint, it's jumping between like negative twenty two and thirteen. Let's check you Let's check your level cow because that's that's super low, right, so like five watchs should be about about thirty seven dBm okay, alright, so level and col no, I'm sorry, level and then external game again external game Yeah, well it's uh okay, well I'll set it again. Oh no, I'm sorry. You want to do negative forty negative four that's

that's it says negative forty under external game right now? Oh it does negative four zero dot zero dB. Yes, you might need to change the mode to CW. Okay, I can do that. That makes sense for thirty meters. Actually it's on CW That's that's why we heard the beat. CWR and we do. C W R and c W L are the two modes that it'll do. Yeah, Scott's saying that power might be band specific. But I gotta tell you, Scott, five watts. It should be able to do five watts c W right, No, it's still on five watts.

I mean some of these guys that are on CW over over one hundred watts. Yeah, so give it a hit and see what it does. Well, it's right now, it's saying up at the top left, it says it's at like seventeen. It's jumping between like seventeen and thirty megahertz at negative forty seven forty eight dB. Yeah, that's not I don't know if it's the radio that we have configured wrong, or if the radio doesn't put out the right power on thirty you gonna turn it up, try high power

higher. Yeah, you could hook up well, you still got twenty minutes. You could hook up a sw SWR power meter and see what if it's putting it out. Oh yeah, if it's putting out any power at all, it looks like the radio is going in the transmit the radio. The radio says that it's transmitting because it's uh, do we have a it says, it says vs, it's it does say VSWR high. Is the dummy load eating at all and not passing some through? Well, that's a little

warm. That intenuator is a little bit warm. Yeah, but it yeah, maybe gives it a tenuator a couple of minutes to settle down. But it it should be fine. The attenu waiters fifty. Oh, and so is the tiny essay. So it shouldn't have highest wr. No, it should be for Yeah, I was just wondering if it was eating up the signal. Mike. It pains me to say, but MRD might be right. He says, you're set the paddle not straight key. I don't know where that setting is in here. Let me see if I can find it.

Well, let's just try. Let's try AM. Let's just go to a different mode. It's thirty at that frequency. Is CW only right? Thirty is? Yeah, but I kind of doubt Well, let's see. Let's see if this radio will let me transmit on thirty meters at AM cwmgat Yeah, it's still lets you, but it still says SWR is high mode. Yeah, you gotta you gotta go in and you have to set the key mode. Where's that. It's good, It's gonna be a it's a it's a process. So okay, I I mean we could just try like

like I can go to y FM. We could go to fifteen meters because that's another one that you typically have trouble with. Okay, we can do that, yeah, because it seemed to work on twenty meters, but thirty meters it's not like in thirty meters banned twenty one mega hurts and for fifteen meters, just do twenty one to two two five. Okay, it's right now, it's set on the FT eight frequency. They will love that.

Just do it two. And also the comment, we're not actually transmitting over an antenna, so we don't really have to match modes because it's all being eaten right now, right. Yeah, Now if you had if you had something sensitive sitting right next to it, it might might pick it up. Yeah. I was just saying that even though we not might be on the right mode, it shouldn't really matter because we should be transmitting or the tiny sa Ultra is acting like a dummy load with the attenuator right it does.

It does still say vs w R high when king up two one two two five on AM mode, so it doesn't actually act like like the Uh. It's probably hard to see in the screen, but what it's doing here is the the the power meter will will go full red, like like full power for a split second and then it'll drop and it'll say highest WR. So I think the radio is saving it so from being on the highest wry.

Folding back, do you have a dummy load that you can You can take the attenuator off and just transmit in to a dummy load and see what it does. See if I've got one here with me? H m hmm. What are you chuckling at im? Laughing? Digital dreamer. He said he was going to buy offer to buy it, but now he's yeah, he emailed me wanted to buy it. While back all right, let's see get this to Yeah, adapters, adapters, adapters, Actually I can take all the adapters off. Now, yeah, it could be a bad adapter.

It could be that one cable because one of those cables, yes, acting goofy when we did that that's true. That's true. Also, yeah, okay, all right, here we go dummy load. It's working fine on a dummie load. All right, let's trade the cable out because you're right it was acting goofy. We'll trade read the cable out and it's coming from the tiny essay. That's what I'm talking about. Okay, yeah, because

I've got another one right here. The tiny essay comes with two of these, and I've got the I've actually got the two cables from my original tiny essay as well that we could try that if we wanted to. So, yeah, here's the cable coming off of what we were just using. That's this one right here, some of throw it over there. This is the second cable that came off the tiny essay. Yea, and if this worked, get the scissors and cut that other one in there. That's right.

Yeah, yeah, no doubt. That's funny you say that because I kept grabbing a cable. I was like, that was bad. Once. When something is bad, like adapt or something, I put it right in the trash. Oh yeah, the way you don't grab it by mistake in the future. Sheeesh. This is hey, this is what Hamm radio is about guys experimentation. Okay, all right, let's try that. Now it still says highest WR. I wonder if this adapter I have in the the middle of this sucker is just too much for it. That's weird. Yeah,

does it tend to way to cool down by now? It's not. It's not hot. Now go back to go back to twenty meters and see, because we were fine onto one, we're fine on twenty meters now, yeah, we were a band. I believe we just answered that. Chuck. Yes, it does come with two two to what. Yeah, it does. It looks like it's still doing the same thing. Yeah, it still says high SWR. It wasn't saying that a minute ago. It wasn't saying that on twenty meters originally, No, for sure, wasn't. All right,

Well, something's bad in that setup, I guess. So what I think I'll probably do is find a cable that actually has B and C to the correct SMA to go well to uh SMA mail to go into the attenuator here instead of went through this contraption here, because this is probably where my breakdown is right here, I would guess is that it is this is the cable right here. So that's a barrel connector one two three three, it's three. Yeah, so oh is that another barrel? Also, this is

a barrel, and this is a barrel. Everything's tight, right, All the connectors are tight. And make sure that one's good. That one's good. That one was a little loose right there, the SMA one was a little loose. It still says it. Nope, hmm, okay, well for whatever reason. Interesting, Okay, I don't know. Yeah, that's it's giving me high SWR. So there's probably a breakdown. And I and like we said, we put it on the dummy load. It's fine.

So there's a breakdown somewhere between here and here, like UK, like is coined at the inuator. You killed the attenuator. I don't think. I bet it's I bet it's the adapters. This attenuator worked fine a couple of weeks ago when we did the other video. Yeah, so I've seen the attenuators go bad over time. But what happens is that they stop attenuating.

Generally, they don't change. They wouldn't change impede's level. Yeah right right, yeah, because it's showing if it's the highest of your it's not seeing fifty oms. So yeah, there's I'm gonna I'm gonna guess it's in here somewhere. Well, what you could do to test it is you could if you could hook the dummy load, like unscrew the cable from the tiny SAM You'd have to have the adapter and then screw that into the dummy load,

right, So that way you're testing your whole transmission line. Okay, so I I'm not following what you're saying here. So if you unscrew the cable from the tiny Essay at the tiny SA port, yeah, and if you can can that to your if you have the adapter to connect that to your dummy load. Uh no, I don't have that. Well wait a minute, do I No, I don't. I don't have that here with me.

No, I've got it. I do have an adapter inside. But that Kyle's tackle box that I keep on my adapters in now, it's where I got these things out of. But it's in it's it's in the house. It's not in here. So I could I guess I could do that and it would uh right, that would tell me if it's if they're if the cables, if the problems in this cable because we know it works with the with the dummy load. That's true, right, See I don't think I have that does make sense? No, I don't have one right here

with me, and uh, we've only got about ten minutes left. So yeah, we'll just wait until you get the other adapter and then uh yeah we'll do it again there. Yeah, yeah, mine as well. Okay, well, okay, unfortunately that didn't work. But do you have your other tiny essay around? Yeah, I've got it right here. Let's get that one hooked up and see you want to just try to try changing out

the complete essay? Yeah, yeah, that I have. Come on, all right, you might have to call CEC say sun right, you're right, yeah, that didn't work. Yeah, and just keeah, we don't need to we don't. We just attest the input in pans. We don't need to configure anything, right, it goes into low port right yeah, okay, same thing, highest imortant. Yeah, so it's either the radio

or that transmission line. It shouldn't be the radio because cause it worked with the uh with the dummy load, I would agree, So so yeah, it's got to be this. It's got to be this contraption I've put in here. So I thought that I had a an adapter for the B and C to uh SMA, but it's the wrong sex B and C. I have the other sex B and C to SMA, but I don't have that one for that. You just need to go go on Amazon in order a

shipload for lack of a better word, of adapts. Right, well, I've got a bunch of adapt I mean, I don't shoot and uh and yeah, I'm gonna have to get a mini UHF for that one too. But yeah, I've got I've got a boatload of adapters, but I can never find the one I need. That's exactly how I am. That's exactly how I am. I never can't find the one that I need. I've got a bunch of them. But guess what, it's always the one that you don't have, just the one you need. So anyway, okay,

well you know what. That's okay. I will continue to uh to experiment with this and see how that goes, because I'm really curious to see I So, our first test was successful, right, Yes, we did a twenty meter test and it was there was no harmony. There was one harmonic on it, and it was like negative sixty, I think, which is great. Anything below negative forty is beautiful. I expected this thing to be like spiked everywhere. Negative five dB here, ten gb there. I'm like,

oh my god. But hey, I'm pretty impressed with that. So test successful as far as I'm concerned. And then before our equipment failed. But that's uh, that's what ham radio is all about. Here's a question from Colina. Doesn't need a Dumby load or something else in the other port could be question. He doesn't have the time and says, today the top port is an output port only, and so it's for signal generation. It's not, it's not they're isolated. That is a That's why I have ape

On here to answer this question. So yeah, you know the the I mean, for all intents and purposes, the the essay acts as a signal capture device or a dummy load to to to measure your output whatever you're doing with it. So yeah, no, you you don't need that. Put that in there too. But all right, so we're gonna do a follow up video with that, and I'm gonna go order some In fact, you know what, this a a lot of my adapters came from American Radio Supply

dot Com. I really like that, the uh quality of adapters they have. But that's with not this barrel connector, but this guy right here, uh unscrewed, unscrewed right here, this s two thirty nine to be and seen. That came from American Radio Supply dot Com. They got some really good cables and there. Yeah, they're there, and it's always good to

support the little guys right right right. Yeah. So, and I've had some adapters that I got from Amazon go bad in the past, and I'm like, I'm kind of I'm a little bit, kind of a little bit leery about using adapters. But if you buy like a package of three or five, then most likely they're all going to be good except for maybe one, and just throw the one away and you've still got three or three left. So it's it's okay, I'm going to answer this question. I've seen

it in the comments a couple of times now. The attenuator is directional? Are we made Are we sure it was in the right direction? It's not directional. We discussed that in the last video. Yeah, so I've seen them that work. They sometimes they'll come with a sticker on them. That's saying that they're directional. And I've tested all the ones that I've got and

they work by directional lye, so you should be fine. And even if you like so to Joe Bratt had one that went bad, t O had one that went bad, and then I had one that went bad, and there's stopped attenuating mine. The attenuation level dropped three dB or half power. So I have never seen one change its input impedance. But who knows,

right, So I guess anything's possible. But yeah, yeah, okay, yeah, but yeah, we we actually did discuss that in the last live stream we did, the first live stream that I did with the Tiny Essay, because that was because I thought it was I thought it was unidirectional as well, but apparently it's not. It's not supposed to be anyway, so there you go. So there gray Man is asking if we're using tuned cables from the tiny essay. We're using the cables that came with the Tiny Essay,

right, they certainly should be tuned. They came with it, So yep, sure are, and we'll see you next time. Guey hectic, righty headache U reminds me of the word heretic. Guey heretic be a rebellious demonic radio for the radio world, gray Man Poda is asking, were you we using the tune cables for the tiny Essa? That's what Ape just said, Frank Busy count those envelopes. It was a new no. He just read that Phusy counting the zillows. All right, well there we go.

Okay, guys, hey, thanks for joining. It's it's fun to try to experiment with this stuff. I really do enjoy that. And like I said, it was kind of successful because the first time we keep up twenty meters after we got the transmit enabled, it was it worked and the signal

looked beautiful on twenty meters. Am So I will fix my adapter problem and probably do another short video, probably not another livestream, but I will fix my adapter problem and do some more experimenting with this on multiple bands and getting get a mini UHF port as well, so I can test a two meter for forty output of it and then we'll go from there. So uh yeah, yeah, is a welcome to the show. Frank one time one time, plus I got a Frank was right out of this show. So you

did you did get a Frank was right. You know you don't. You don't get that every show, but uh but you did get that today. So all right, guys, we're gonna drive, We're gonna shut this down. And uh, like I said at the beginning, for those of you who weren't here, because I know there's a lot more watching now, uh, we are gonna go over to my other channel. I'll go ahead and share this link in the chat real quick, and we're going to uh talk

about van life with Hank Strange over there. So uh, we I'm doing I'm doing live streams on my new channel one once a month. We had t on last month. I got Hank on tonight and then we'll set up for something for January here in a few weeks. But uh, you guys go over there if if that sort of thing interests you, r V live Van life that kind of thing, Uh, please please join us over there. That link is in the chat so ape. Thanks for joining me last

minute, man always great. Thanks for the help, And it was uh great to bounce ideas off you tonight because I know that you know this stuff, this tiny essay stuff at least better than I do, so we'll see how that goes. But thanks man, I appreciate it. Frank appreciate you being here. And y'all. Y'all join us on the other channel if you want take care of coins. That's right, all right, all right, guys, give me about five minutes. I'll be live over there seventy three. Take care, guys. Bye,

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