E1229: Testing for Spurious Emissions with the TinySA

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know what. Both of those intendas are good, but the K six R K is quite more rare. You can get a car intended pretty much anytime you want to, and they're that big. Yeah that I don't know. I'm not I'm not saying anything bad or negative about that. Dude. Run we run out of them all the time. Oh, I'm sure. Yeah, you guys just were stocking more than Adam does. Yeah. Well we just ordered like five miles of wire and you'd be shocked at how fast that

stuff goes. Oh my goodness. I think Chuck strips it down and sells the copper though. I mean the I I had. I was trying to tune mine before Kyle and I went on our Poto robe. I was going to use that antenna and announce it and I couldn't get my like I would connect it to the to the rig expert and it said please connect it in aneutenna, Like nothing was there. So I took a picture of it and I sent it to Chuck. He's like, oh, you missed a solder spot here. I'm like, okay, yeah, he should. He showed

me. He showed me the pick just to get a second opinion on it. Yeah, so we haven't that. I've been tried to. Uh, there it is, Frank. Congrats, Frank, congrats, Frank. That's cool. Four thousand, that's awesome. Yeah, this is amazing. I uh I, I I soldered that spot on there, but I have not tried to tune it. Again, yet I need to do that. That's one of those things where you should make it a little uh a little a little dummy load for where that way you can put it on there and just

tune it with the rigg. Yeah huh yeah, yeah, that's a good idea. I think I have one. I think I have one actually cool. All right, so we're gonna be looking at I've got I've had this thing plugged in and charging. It's got its own little internal battery. Pull that out of there. This is tiny tiny essay aptly named the Tiny Essay. In fact, I want to zoom down on that at touch and see if I can get a little bit a little bit better. Yeah, okay, you guys bear with me a second here. Uh let's go yeah,

let's go back here. But I'm going to do this real quick because I just want to get a little bit better view on the actual essay. There. Okay, there we go. So I've got this here, this is the Tiny Essay it comes from. I mean, you can get up a lot of places. You can get them on Amazon. I got mine from RNL Electronics. I've said a bunch of times on the channel check RNL every day. He has daily specials up there. I don't know what the guitar pick is for ape so's they use it as a stylust, but I don't

like it. I use okay, but these stylist is like these little okay, I might not have another stylist here with me. My fingers are too fat. But like you could use like a pencil eraser if you got a pencil. I've got a I've got a pen with the stylus on the end of it that I usually use, but I don't think I have it here right now. How about just dropped it on the ground. How about one

of the pens that you know, the electronic stylus. It should work, right, You could drive that over there real quick, frank, right right. And it comes with these two these two cables here with SMA mails on both ends. And then it comes with this little antenna thing here that's I guess kind of neat. I don't know what that's. If you you can put that antenna on there, and then that way you can use the sniffer

around for RFI and stuff. It'll like a detector. Then yeah, and like kee with the next version, the Ultra, it has a headphone Jack on there, so you can actually use the antenna and then listen to radio stations and stuff like that on there. It's kind of crazy. Oh okay, yeah, it hurts, it is. That's the case. It is everything that's going into the to the SMA connector, right, okay, okay,

oh yeah, h mun till it hurts. Yeah, okay. So we got this, We got this ten attenuator off of and this is off of Amazon as well, and we're gonna put that on one side and put put the radio on the other side. So I grabbed and I can go grab a couple more radios. I've got a couple more over there, but I grabbed the tried and true fang. This is actually that. This is actually a UV five R three. This is the Triban version, has two

twenty on it, and I have my FT sixty five here. So we've got a we've got a cheap radio and a and a cheap Japanese radio. So that might be something good there, but we need to do some setup on it. Eight tells me. So, yeah, hey, you're showing that, yea, su U. I love ya, Sue. I think they're fantastic radios. But yes, I was talking to a reasonably good person with credibility, and he told me they're made by any tone, and uh, he would know, so I was I was a little surprised by that.

I think that I don't okay. So the box when I got this radio, this FT sixty five, the box clearly said and made in China, and I thought, that's weird. It's a Yesu radio. It's made in China. About I don't know. Six eight months after that, something like that, I had John on the show. We were talking about probably the ftd X ten when it was new, or maybe the FT two hundred, one of those, one of a new radio. We were talking about a new radio, and he said, recently, Yazu moved everything back to

Japan. So if you if you bought an FT sixty five from whatever date that was forward, it would say made in Japan on it. I don't know, I've heard that before, and I don't know if that's true anymore. At one point in time, I think that was true. I don't know if the newer stuff is still made by any tone. But well, I knew that there were some that were made in China, and it bounced

back and forth. But here's the thing that hole made in that That could just be the radio gets built somewhere and then the sticker gets put on in the in the final country. So that's right or international law on that's a little little sketch, it is it is. And yeah, the whole made

in the USA thing. I was talking to Battleborn Batteries at an overlanding show last year and they said, well, they can't put made in the USA because several of their parts inside of the battery are sourced from Indonesia, China, whatnot. So they put assembled in the USA on their on their batteries and these are battle Born or some of the best highest price batteries you can find out there. And but they were they said that they were starting to

build a factory. This was like a year and a half ago. They were starting they were going to build a factory inside the USA to start making these cells that you could only source from China, so that they could actually put the maid in the USA. But there's some stringent laws around that. But what John told me about the whole maid in China with the FT sixty five, He's like, it depends on where in the in the assembly line.

It goes. So if the last place it was assembled, you've made all the parts in Japan, you send China, got as symbled in China. They put made in China in the box. So yeah, I don't know. It's it's six one half does the other? I think? So, yeah, I could care less because the any Tone radios are fantastic. So that's where they are. Yes, some of my favorite Chinese radios are the any Tone and the walk Zone radios or however you want to say that

today. But yeah, I mean agree. If it saves me fifty bucks on a sixty five, then right I have added, Yeah, totally totally. All right, let's see. Okay, there's some setup we gotta do here. I'm gonna put my glasses on so I can actually see what I'm doing, So tell me where, tell me what to do on here? All right? The first thing you want to do is you want to take one of those SMA cables that you had, and then you want to connect it to the two ports. The port on the top is called the high

port. The portal on the bottom is called the low port. And that's because they send and receive signals at different frequencies, right, right, and I guess one's higher on the device than the other. I don't know. Yeah, I mean it kind of makes sense that the high port is high poort the high port. But you know, well what the that O, V and a's like. You'll see them called port one in port two or channel zero and channel one and S one and S S one one and S

two one. It's the labeling on these things is all over the map. That's Chinese ingenuity for you. But okay, done, Now you gotta you want to connect them together with the you can use one, just use one to connect both of them, or you can connect them together with that little barrel. Dow hiccus, oh to the uh for is this for the is this for like the calibration? Yeah, so the first thing we're gonna do is run a self test on it, and it should pass the self test,

no problem. Then after that we run a calibration and you don't have to do that every time you run it. Right, Yeah, this is brand new out of the box. I actually had this thing for a while, but I've never used it. So, Bob, there we go. What's bob? Which way? Hamah? What's up? Dud? Okay? All right, we're connected, all right. And then if you hit the menu, so if you tap anywhere on it, you should get the you should get the menu, yep. And and then you want to go to

config and then under that you'll see self test. Okay, oops, come on, Yeah, that little job button is super super sensitive. It is Okay, it's doing something. I can see they're passing. Yeah, yeah, it's yeah. Test one pass pass past. So when you got this one, it was before they started getting cloned all over the place. And rn L is uh is a good a good supplier for Nanovna's and tiny essays. But one of the things is that the clones will actually pass all the

self tests until you update the firmware with legitimate firmware. Then they'll start failing on them. So if anybody out there updates the firmware and they start failing, you probably got a fake. Yeah, okay, good to know, Good to know. Okay, No, I can't see what that says at the bottom, but touch touch screen to continue, all right. All right, So the next thing we want to do is we want to do the calibration, and so then you want to go back to config and then under

there you should see something that says level cow level cow. Oh come on, oh yeah, there it is, okay, and so what that's what I can't see? What that I can't read that It says calibrate, reset, calibration or back. You want to go to calibrate? Yeah, it's the first option. Yeah. And then if you if it ever acts, goofy. What I'll do is I'll reset the calibration and then and then run

the self test then do the exact same stuff again. Okay. And so what's happening now is that that higher port is ejecting a signal and the low port's picking it up and it's going to be off. And so what it's doing now is adjusting itself to the signal. At the top it says calibration complete at the bottom. There you go, man, okay, So what you what you want to do now is you want to unscrew the cable from the top port. You're good to go there, okay, M Frank you

watching the chat? Yes, sir? I am one comment real fast? Can you increase your audio level? Me? Yes? Or you or you're working on it? You're moving away from the mic? Yeah, I move away from the mic when I need to uh well, hold on, yeah, I can do that. Hold up. Okay, that should be a little bit better. Should be a little bit better right there. But yeah, I was. I had changed some stuff for the for Kyle's livestream the other night, so I was, I thought I put it back pretty close

to where it was. They want me to put miss blaining glasses on. So right, okay, all right, good, all right, so hit the menu and then just back out of that. There you're good, You're good. Okay, all right, So what we want to do now is we want to hook up the attenuator and so the s M a male side, so that's the one that there you go, That is the ind So that's the one you want facing the radio, gotcha? Okay, So goes on the high side. No, no, no, you're gonna get to

the cable going into the low. We're done with the high port for right now. So Joe Brett, what's up, Jim. Joe Brett was having a heck of a time with one of his showing like he was running the thing and you could see the harmonics, but the labeling wasn't right on the values, and so we troubleshot that thing. Forever, and I'd said, just send it to me and we'll test it out and see if we can figure it out. And then too started having the exact same problem and working

on with to it turned out that they're forty dB attenuators are bad. Really, yeah, So these things can be sensitive if you send a power the wrong direction. Some attenuators are fine by direction only some of them aren't. And the other one is is that if you put too much juice through these for too long, you might get a little bit of a of a problem there. So I did a video on how to test your anator if anybody out there is not saying it. So like when yeah, when we pushed

five watts into the tiny essay, it should read about negative. It should it should read about thirty seven dBm. So gbm is is a decibel in reference to a millible, And so that's the that's the metrics that we typically use. Now I'll show you how you can actually test watts on this thing too, which is pretty nice. By around thirty seven is where you want it to be for five watts, and there's just reading like like three or four watts or three or four dBm. It's like nah, borrow, that

ain't right? And then and then so now you you want to just supposed to be thirty seven, it was three to four. Yeah. Wow, that's like that's way off. Yeah. Yeah. So now you want to hook the attenuator into your radio? Okay? Uh, you want to do the fang first? Do you want to do the sure? Man? We do the fang first. And then when you power the radio up, you want to set it to I always set it to one for six five two,

just because it's a super common frequency. Did I miss it? Or did we also tune it or or calibrate it with the attenuator in line? Is the Now you don't want you don't want to do that. So it's not like a tiny essay. I mean, I'm sorry. It's not like a nano V and A. It's not like yeah, okay, all right, good, So there we go right there. Now, turn that baby on and set it for one four six five two. No, I think I didn't hear the bellfang lady. Did you hear the bell? Fang lady?

Frank has it turned off? I probably do? Have it turned off? There it is, and then just check your power level on that. So we know what we're working with. We're on high all right, we went on high. Yeah it's fine, yeah, okay, assuming that the tenuators crat yeah yeah sure. Video. I don't know if this is one of those wish dot com one hundred and fifty white bowel things. What happens

to a tenuary, Well, it's going to get past that. So what we what we want to do is a lot of folks like you can you can keep up right now and you'll see uh the you'll see the fundamental frequency and you also see some other stuff on there. I can tell you right now that doesn't look good. And but so go ahead and on key it. And so what I what I like to do is it actually has a

feature built in specifically for measuring harmonics. So activate your menu M and then go to measure what's up vern six okay, measure and then under that you should have harmonic yes, and so it's going to ask you for a frequency once you pick harm on uh huh, and then type in one four six, dot five to two and then hit the M for megahertz. So a lot of people just hit times one and that'll give you one hundred and forty six hurts and so like people aren't I can't see my signal. Yeah,

I may have fallen victim of that once or twice. Yeah, yeah, sure, yeah, yeah, verds in their verds in their uh chat up, go ahead, he's yeah, he's uh. There would be no foul language on this stream. Vern there is no foul language and no foul language. The ranger is gonna win tonight. Let's go astros. Yeah, no foul lane, no foul language on the stream, buddy, You drive a forward you should know better than that. Yeah, So go back to the

main top menu, okay. And then there should be something called level in there. Yes, and then so go to level and then you want to pick external game. Yep, that's at zero right now. Yep, So h hit external gain and then you want to type in negative. Its real important to do that negative. So four zero and then times one times one. Okay, okay. So what that did is it just adjusted or accounted for the forty dB attenuator. So we should be good there for this guy.

Okay, okay, okay. Yeah, and then so again at the top, at the top menu you want to go into there is something called display display. Yes, yep, you know what and don't go into display. Did give me one second? Give me one second, that's fine, I'll go back. I didn't change anything, so we're good. Yeah, there's a there's a there's a I just realized there was a glare on the

screen. Sorry, guys, somebody should have said something. If somebody said something in Chad about the glare on the screen, then Frank missed it, so I didn't see it. Okay. Oh, they're all talking about baseball in there. I honestly, I honestly don't don't care. But I know I'm supposed to be a Rangers fan, but I really don't care. I'll be I don't care about I grew up a Ranger fan. But yeah,

give me one second here, I can't go ahead. For the love of God, I can't remember where the thing is that we want to Okay, no worries. That was interesting that we told the the Nano s NA. I'm sorry I said that wrong with DNA, that we had the attentator on it. So how does that take account? Because I'm surprised by that because we'll see the vaultas coming in from well it's supposed to be going to the antenna, but what does it need to account for that? So what will

happen is is the attenuator reduces the power. In this case, it reduces the power coming out of the radio by forty dB. So that's what you're going to see inside the tiny SA. So when you get a reading, what you could do is you could just add forty d b to that. But we don't like math. So what we do is we set for that. It's very very wise, very wise words there. Yeah, but that changed the frequency though, that should have change the frequency. No, no,

no, it's just the power levels. Yeah, it's like an attenuator on your it's like a ten waiter on the receiver on your a chef radio. It's exactly right. Yeah. Yeah. So if you go to top menu display, there should be an option for draw line, draw line, Yes there is, so pick that, okay, and then hit negative sixteen point oh two. Okay, where are you getting that number? I'll tell

you one second and hit the times one times one. Okay. So when we operate a radio that is twenty five watts of power, there's a blue line right there that's probably not visible in the camera. Well maybe no it is. Yeah, we can we can say, it's exactly what you want.

Good. So, for radios operating twenty five watts or less in the frequencies that we're going to be testing today, your any spurry submissions need to be forty dB below the fundamental So the fundamentals of one on one, four sixty five two, all the rest of the spikes have to be forty dB down. Now they also need to be below twenty five its microwatts twenty five

microwats. So twenty five microwats is negative sixteen point two dBm. So we draw that line there so we can see that if it's above the line, but it's still forty dB down, we know that the radio is still failed. And so that's something that is an important step because it's the second piece of that law. Almost everybody only tests for negative forty dB because when they see twenty five microwats, everybody's like, well, what the F is that? Yeah, I mean I remember the first time being like, eh,

f it you know, yeah, yep, yep. So you want to make sure you do that, all right, So when we key up, now, any spurrious emissions that you're going to see on there are going to be in a data table, and it's going to tell you. It's going to give you a delta marker, and a delta is the difference between your primary signal when we typed in one, four, six, five two, and so it's gonna tell you how many how many cycles away it is, and it's going to tell you the reference in terms of decibel. So got

up, son, gotcha, Okay, here we go. Now just hold it in for a couple of seconds because it's gonna take it's it's sorting itself out of Yeah, it's it's definitely moving. Yeah, So because it has like an internal attenuation that it'll apply and stuff like that. So at the top of that, your marker number one should say one four six five to two or close to it, and then it should give you a value in

the yellow text at the top. Oh the yellow text. Okay, one four six dot five at thirty four dot zero d M. All right, So thirty four dot zero is a little bit less than what we expect, but balfangs never put out what they advertise, correct. And then what does the marker for marker number two say? It says one five also at negative fourteen dot four dbc, So dbc means in comparison, So that means it's

only a fourteen DV below the fundamental, which is a huge fail. Now with the Tiny Essay, you can only see up to three hundred and fifty mega hurts, so you're not going to see third, fourth, and fifth

harmonics. But I guarantee that they don't pass you, right, Yeah, okay, okay, So what we can do is we can reconfigure it and feed the signal into the top high port to see anything above three hundred and fifty megahertsky, but we don't need to, so they that that second harmonic that we saw there, it's above the blue bar and it's now forty d be down. No illegal, put it in the trash, right, Yes, I got a real real fang test. That's I wanted to do that.

I was always wanted to do that. I can tell you that's why I bought the Tiny Essay, and when I got it, right, I was intimidated by the thing. I didn't even take it out of the packaging for like six months because I was like, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna break it, right. Yeah, it's yeah, they seem like they're rather fragile. This is a in my opinion, this is a shack testing tool. I wouldn't take. I would put this in the backpack and go hiking

with it. But they are neat for what they do. Yeah. Well, the thing is they're super duper sensitive and so like you can have them like when you're doing tests, sometimes you'll see spikes and spurs moving around from like coaxle cable or from category five cable or anything like that. Right, So activate the menu and then go under a unit. We have a question here, go ahead. Is the total power out? Uh? Maybe you can bring that up? It is, I see it. So he's asking

a total power output? Is it an aggregate of the fundamental plus all harmonic spurs? If so, the total output of five watts is the fundamental plus the sum up spurs. Yes. So the thing is is that when you use like if you were measuring power and you see all of us do it, I do it everybody. I think Jason doesn't use disease to test the power output of a radio. Any frequencies that will fit through the the port on this thing, I can't. I can't, but any frequencies that will

fit through here. It is an aggregate of any spurious emissions on those frequencies, right, because it just so the way these work is is that they just detect voltage that's coming through. These don't really work on frequency, so it just takes the voltage and then passes it along and then it gives you the It doesn't it'll do a conversion for the voltage to the yeah, to

the meter. Yeah. So under there you should have something that says watts I don't have I don't have a unit and the top menu, go to level and then go to unit level okay, level a unit okay, yeah, and then you should have wat in there. What yes, So go ahead and pick that and it's going to look crazy, so you can't even see you're lying on that right now. But go ahead and key up and then you should be able to see the marker table and it should tell you

what the primaries at. It's going to take a second to calm itself down. Yeah. Yeah. In the yellow text at the top again, yeah, okay, so what is it saying for the for the the first one says five at two point kind of moving around two point five, I mean one two point five to two watts. Yeah, So that means on that frequency, you're getting about two point five watts out, which is always people are like, what now you can see like how far apart those peaks are

there? Yes, because watts is a linear scale, dBm is a logarithmic scale, which is a lot easier for us to deal with when we're talking about two different measurements that are so far apart, right, especially for displaying it on there, so you can you can un key it. But that's how you can check watts at a particular frequency, at a specific frequency. Yeah, that's good, that's good. Yeah, And so if you like I use the tiny sa ultra because I think it goes up to like five

five gig gig hurts. Yeah, I can actually see how strong my harmonics are all the way up. So like I might have a radio that's doing three watts on my primary, which is fine, but then I might have a secondary that's doing like watt and a half, right, and so you had to think about hey, one and a half, it's going to get out, you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, a lot of your two twenty radios only do a what and a half? So well, if they're a triband radio, they might only do a what and

a half. Yeah, it works, it can work, so we can we can just take unhook the fang and then hook up the the yaesu if you want without we'll have to change We'll change the levels back to what we have for dBm. While you're doing that, I had a question here. This is my question. You said the device is limited in these the rains as scanning. Is that just the display or it's able to scan more?

And so I think that this the tiny essay, and I've got two of them sitting here, so to me, I'm all fancy double fifty those essays. Yeah, so the low port goes from zero hurts to three hundred and fifty megahurts, and then the top workers from three hundred and fifty megahurts to nine hundred mega hurts. The way that tiny essay ultra works, which is which is this one and this one? You can you can set it to go all the way up to five, but it uses harmonics itself in order

to get some of these higher frequencies. So I mean, if you really testing super high frequencies, I mean, this is fun for dicking around, but it's not really the best device for that, but for amature radio stuff it's fine. Now people were like, well, what if I'm operating into five giga hurts band And I tell them, I say, son, if you're operating in that band, I know what that equipment costs. You can

afford a real spectrum analyzer. That's a good point. Bill's asking how many watts out at the spur harmonic and it was about one point five that last test we did where it was two point five at one six star dot five, it was reading two point five one two point five to two watts at

the spur. It was about one point five that so if you tested that on what you're a power sw R meter, it's probably going to tell you four watts out right right, exactly right, And then you're like, hot, damn son, I'm getting four watch that's right, right, yeah, A look at me, boy, Well he's spur decreased as he gets farther away from the main the main transmitting frequency. Yeah, they should they should. Okay, well there shouldn't be spurs there at all, it should it?

No, but I agree, yeah, but yes, okay, yeah, but Jim had radio and he keyed it up. Yeah, thing had like a whole mess of spurs that were like practically flat all the way across. I never laughed so hard. I was like, man, dude, I was like, that thing is crazy. And so I told him, I said, grab another radio and see. And he all the frequencies he was tuned into. He could hear himself plain as day. Oh wow. Oh he tuned his another radio to the to the spur frequency. Yeah that's

funny. Yeah, yeah, that's that's good. That's good. Okay, we got the yas hooked up. So go back to the top menu and you want to go into the level then unit and then change it back to dBm and make sure of the radio is on one four six five two. I just realized this radio is dead. I thought it was turned off. Oh damn, welcome to my lafe. Yeah, you'll never You'll never find the cradle for it. That's the problem that I've got. Oh gosh, I know. Yeah, let me grab something else I've got. I've got

a couple of radios over there. I do want to grab either a yazoo or a icon. Yes it is, but it's inside. That would be fun though. Yeah, let me grab something else real quick, and you guys you guys can have the floor for a second, Ronald, I was gonna say this question for a little bit later. But have you hooked up your tiny sa to a computer using the USB? A small program should be able to do it. Yep, I do it all the time. So he obviously isn't a subscriber to my channel, so shame on him. If

we could ban him, that would be fantastic. But yeah, it's called I use tiny sa app. There's a couple of other apps that folks have used, because I think tiny sa app is open source. So what I would say is is that try that. I do it all the time just because it's easier to display, like when I'm making videos and stuff like that. But if I was just testing stuff, you know, or on the shack or whatever, I generally don't use the use it. What is the

max number of watts it's going to be able to handle safely? Well, it's not. It's not many, So I think you can only feed in about six DV into it, which is super duper low. And like that's you're you're you're you're talking milla watts at that even low low milla wats at that level. So that's why we put an attenuator in line, and then

we compensate for the attenuator like we did in the demonstration. So if I had to, I see the math now, Okay, yeah, I mean I've pushed two hundred wats into these things before through I call it my big ass attenuator. So like I've got this, yeah, and I'll use this or I'll use something like it's not opened up, so I can't show you the guts I built it. This is an RF sampler that I built. And what this allowed me to does get a negative thirty seven YB signal off

of here. I just feed antenna in and then hook this to a dummy load and I can use something like this. That's pretty cool. That was super easy to build. I got I got a video showing how to do it. Last question, we'll ask you what is the difference between a tiny

essay and a nano VNA. So a tiny essay is a little bit different, and so like the way I describe it is is that if I'm measuring like devices, so like say you build a bandpass filter or something like that, and I want to see how that filter behaves, I'll use the nano V and a to to test that because it has an outport and an import, so I can take a known signal from the out feed it through the

filter and then measure it on the import. It also can do reflection measurements, so I can measure things like SWR and stuff with a tiny Essay that I cannot measure with the with the I'm sorry, I can measure with the Nanovna, not the tiny Essa. So when I want to look at signals, I'll use the Tinyessa and that allows me to look at signals and particular

frequencies. And there's a ton of stuff, and we'll do some more tests with here because we've still got We still got about another forty minutes or so, and we'll take a look. The tiny SA does does a lot of stuff. Now. One of the things that tiny Essay doesn't have is called

a tracking generator. So your higher end spectrum analyzers will have a tracking generator and that does an output signal that is in its synchronized to the sweep that is taking taking place, and you can feed that through like things like filters and stuff. But the TINYESA also works as a signal generator. So we'll do a quick test with that too. Okay, Okay, I have my

I got my FT five. Cool, we're gonna and we're on one five now you wanted me as something else on the Yeah, So go back into the main menu and then go to level I think it was low yeah, level yep, and then unit should be under there yep. And then switch that back to dBm dBm yeah that's where it was originally. Okay, we got the blue line back now, nice, So just just go ahead and

keep that baby. Yeah. Right now you're you're seeing some stuff in there, but that's generally because of mixing and the tiny SA and it should drop down it. Yeah, the spur on the top there is dropping down. So we've got on the left hand reading is one forty six top five thirty four point four dBm okay, and the the second one is one forty six top five at a negative fifty four point four dbc. So that means it's it passes right, So it's below the blue line and the blues more than

forty dB below. Yeah. I wonder if we're getting some additional attenuation because of the coaxle cables or anything. Yeah, I did. Yeah, since the the because there's an SMA port on on the the sm on the attenuator and the radio are the same. So and I didn't have another barrel connector with me right now, So that'd be an interesting test to see to switch

them out and see how that how different they might be. Yeah, so you can you can use your nanobna to test that, Yeah, to test the stenuation, because like you would think that, hey, this is only like eight inches of freaking coax, how much can it attenuate? But you'd be surprised, you'd be, Yeah, especially if it's especially if somebody didn't solder it correctly and maybe there's a loose connection in there or something with that

SMA connector with the coax itself, something stupid. Yeah, and you you can rest assured that those coaxial cables are not labor right, right, totally totally. Yeah, No, I'm with you on that. Yeah, what's all right? So we're uh oh uh side boom in the house. Yeah, so yeah, okay, so we're obviously the yazoo is much yeah, negative fifty four. And you said if it's under negative forty that passes. That's the uh and that's the reason we got the negative. The forty dB

Yeah, attenuator that we're testing with. Yeah, so you're your two markers set one hundred and forty six point five mega hurts. The reason the second one says that is because it's saying it's one hundred and forty six point five away from the fundamental And so that's exactly what a harmonic is. It's a doubling of correct. Yeah, yeah, correct, yeah. Yeah. It's like people will call me up and say eight all my markers said, both my markers say one four six five, and I was like, don't worry

about it, you're good. Yeah, yeah, it's a hard yeah, And that's uh, that's a lot of the times why you can, uh, that's the reason a forty meter in a half wave in fed or or center fed, whichever forty meter hfontenna is as a harmonic of fifteen meters. That's why to work on fifteen meters a lot of times. Yeah, what's a harmon It's a harmonic of twenty So like, yes, what it is. Yeah, and all the handbands are harmonically related by design, right because

of this kind of stuff. Yeah, if you think about forty meters seven megahurts, well, then seven times two is fourteen that's twenty meters. Seven times three is twenty one, that's fifteen meters, and seven times four is twenty eight that's ten meters. So there you go. Man An n fed halfwave cut for forty meters will often be resonant on those four bands, and there's a reason for that. Yeah, on ten meters it's because ten so porky, right, it's yeah, So like sometimes you get a little goofiness

there well and sometimes you know, and it kind of depends. You know. You got to realize also that that the hand bands are not exactly the same in every country around the world, so it's not it's not like seven point twenty five y five megahurts is exact harmonic of whatever on the twenty meter bands, so it could kind of vary a little bit in there, but it's close enough where you can you can actually get a really good four band antenna with using no tuner if you have a like the Pac TENA. The

Pac ten is fantastic on those four bands. Now, I tuned up the Sparkplug Gear one hundred wide a intenna and it was beautiful on forty twenty and fifteen, but on ten, it was a little high on the bottom technician portion of the band twenty eight three to twenty eight dot five it was around two to one instead of like one point four to one. Like the not a big deal, Not a big deal. You hit your tuner on your FTD extend, you're good, or you just run with it two to one,

which would probably fine. You go a little higher on the band and the and the SWR comes down a little bit. Yeah. So with those with those infed half waves, when the lower I'm sorry, the higher frequencies that you're using, the more inductive the antenna looks correct. And so that's why a lot of them add a capacitor. And I'm pretty sure this spark plug's got a capacitor in there. I don't know, one hundred percent, I think so. But one of the things that happens with the induction is

that your voltage will start to lead your current. So when by adding the capacity and so it kind of it kind of marries them back up. Yeah. So, like everybody kind of blanket says that you should use one hundred peak afaired capacitor on those antennas. Some people have better luck with eighty. Some people use one twenties. So I guess if you really want to get in the guts of tune in the antenna, I use one hundred. I use a hundred peak affair on hundred per go fair. Yeah, yeah,

good good. And then but somebody had a question in here W six I WN and let me see if I can find it. He was saying, or throw a talk pot on there, toss a talk pot on there. I saw that. Yeah, so I've used to Yeah, talk pot It's the worst. It's the worst radio that I've ever used in my life. And like the thing, here's what's crazy about it. Like I feed the signals of radios into my soilloscope so I can look at the carrier and make

sure that is the way forth correct. And it was detecting the frequency at like two hundred and fifty six megahurts when the radio was supposed to be one hundred and forty six. Had a balfang say that it was it was like one hundred and fifty eight. Its supposed to one four to six. And I was just like, man, you know, but the talk pod was. The guy won't even my last two emails to him, he won't even respond to the emails. He's like, uh, oh, this guy knows

what he's talking about. Deleet I get. I get fired all the time from Oh people sent a radio to me and I'll test it, and you know, I was telling my part. I was like, hey, whatever it test, I'm going to show it. And they're like, yeah, no, no, we're confident in the product. And then all of a sudden they're like, what the f why didn't you tell us. Sometimes I'll tell them and they're like, show it. You can show it anyway.

But yeah, with with the with the talk pod. The reason I didn't feel bad about, you know, being as brutally honest as I was about the performance of the radio is the radio that I got came with an instruction manual for different radio and then I asked other people who got them, and they got the wrong radio as well. Also, mine has a sticker on it that says it's for HAM, but when I got it, it was set up for gm RS. So I don't know if I had the right

radio or not. And the other one is that I believe there was some chicanery with the FCCI that they were originally putting on there. Oh no, that never that never happens. Yeah. Well, I'm like, hey, if you're gonna screw hands over, then I've got no problem, right,

you know, just showing just how fantastic your radio is. So I saw t O and and Hayden and Josh and a couple of the guys did a huh oh yeah no no no no, no, no no no. I saw the talk pod videos from these guys, and I'm like, and they're all like, yeah, talkpod sent me this talk pod and I'm like, hmm, oh, my feelings are hurt. Talkpod didn't send me one. So I went and got on Amazon and I bought my own. I'm like, okay, now I can really talk about it the way I want to.

And then I checked my spam filter like two days later, and talk pod did send me an email for me, but it was much spam filter. So I'm like, well, I already bought one. Now I don't need it, thanks anyway, And I did the same time. I'm like, my god, this thing is terrible. Oh my goodness. And I didn't I didn't post the video, but I wouldn't have felt bad post in the video because I actually bought it on Amazon. I paid for it. I'm like, you know what, this is my honest opinion. Here you

go. Well, the thing is is like they had been reaching out to me for a long time, and I just kept ignoring the emails. And because because the thing is is that I was like, I don't want to review a radio that sucks because I don't want to go and I know it's going to suck. And it was exact same way with the h E with the T I D radio, Like I that guy will he so he went from asking me to test their radios before they market them now so he won't

respond to my emails anymore because I kept finding all these problems. He sent me like three of these. They sent me the original one, and they send me the updated version, and this is like two point zero. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, hey, man, at least they're trying. At least they're trying. You know. It's like that that walks on four bander that came out a while back, had a couple of spurious

problems with the first version. They were real quick to come back, come back and update that and and and fix several of the problems with it. So I can't I can't fault them for that. At least they're trying. That's well. I think they had some some chicanery with the FCC. Well well, and so so we got to a point he was like, hey, we want to start sending you our radios before we sell in the test. Yeah, and I was like yeah. I was like that's that.

That's fine, and he goes, but can you take down the videos that you put up? And I said no, I can't. I said, well, I'll tell you what, give me the serial numbers are the ones that you know have bad hardware, not firmware, but bad hardware. And they were like, we can't do that. And then I was like, well, then I'm not taking the videos, you know, because the thing is that we would do a video and just say hey, if you have these this one, then you've got one that gets hot, that makes goofy

noise and transmits the noise and all that other stuff. So yeah, yeah, yeah, well yeah, and apparently you know what, you would order some of those on Amazon and they would some of them were gmrs only, some of them were ham only and mine was full open mine is and I didn't and like I said, and I even said this in the I made a video that I never posted. I said this, and I was like, look, talk pod, they don't know who I am. I order this on Amazon. I just went out there, regular account, ordered it,

got it in. This thing is full open transmit and it has a freaking FCCA sticker on it. So you know something's not right there. I'm not saying I agree with it or don't agree with it. I'm just saying that's very sus that's all. That's all I'm saying. Yeah, Yeah, I'm totally right there with you. Yeah, yeah, Chris Bricker, what's up, Chris? He say, ask if there's differences between the tiny SA

and a tiny say Ultra that would push you to use the Ultra. The Ultra is bigger, so it's got a four inch screen versus a two point eight. Yeah, and you're like, oh, what's only an ancient So it's huge different. It makes a big difference because my Nano VNA is is the four inch screen and it is much bigger than this. This this thing is hard to see. If you've got t O calls him old man eyes, and I think I agree with that. So if you got if you

got to put this on to see this. Then the four inch screen makes a big difference. So I don't know if it's worth twice as much money. It is because you also get the much larger frequency on screen so you can see. Okay, so I would say, go ahead, go ahead and uh and do that. Let's get back to we're going to do another test. Okay, let's do something else then, good, we do.

So what we want to do is we want to switch the cables around so that the output of the tiny essay is going into So just like where you're connected to the radio and a tiny essay switched that yep, switch that one with the one going into YEP, not on the tiny SA with the one going on the radio. Okay, so switch those switch. Okay, you take it off that radio nowhere, now unscrew the one on the tiny essa. Okay. And then you want to do it the other way. Yes,

I thought you weren't supposed to do that. Well, we're going to do something different now. We're going to test the front end of the Okay, all right, so we're going to go backwards we are. Then while you're doing that, I'm gonna just pull up my dbach art just to make sure I get this right. We're safe because the attenuator anyway. But yeah, yeah, no, we're good. Yeah, just don't blow up my

FT five will be I'll be happy, okay, all right? So an S nine signal is negative seventy three dBm on HS sounds right, it sounds right. It's negative ninety four on UHF and VHF because they hear better, I guess, so they say in SN signal is actually much weaker in UHF and VHF. So what we want to do is we want to hit the top menu and then at the bottom of that, let me just flip mine one second. Make sure I do this right. There's something called mode mode.

Yes, so you want to pick that, and then you should have something that says low out. Uh It says switch to high end, switch to low out. Yeah, so you want to switch to low out. Switch to low out, okay, and then whatever it says the bottom you can So what does that say there? It says low output is off. Yep, leave it off for right now. Frequency is ten mega hurtz. So click on the frequency and set it for one, four, six, five to two. What is keen? That is the antenuator directional mic is

asking they are not all of them are, but these these are. Yeah, this one has markings on it like it is. Okay, the level is negative seven dot o dB. What does it say on there? Negative seven dot ODBM. Yeah. What we're gonna do is that down to the bottom you have something says external gain. Yes, it's at zero, so you want to hit that, and then you want to set it to negative

forty negative forty like we did before. So now we're accounting for the attenuator negative forty times one, right, yep, and that should change your level from whatever it was. It should attack forty on there. So probably now says negative forty seven, right, correct, Yes, that's right, that's right. So there's a it says set right in the middle of that level.

Hit that set set. Yeah, and then you want to do negative a start with negative one twenty five, okay, and then hit the times one and then okay, where did the one twenty five number come from? So that you just put my chart here? I got I can't remember, you got you got some you got some chart that that told you that. Yes, so negative one twenty five is just below an S four signal. Okay, So that's about where radios can hear. Sometimes they get a little

bit lower than that. Okay, Now you have something says mod that's short short for modulation. You want to hit that. I don't have a mod yes, Maddy says none. Yeah, so you want to hit that, and then you want to just pick narrow FM narrow. Uh, there's an FM three kills seventy five kill hurts. I assume it's the three Yeah, picked the three killer hurts. Okay, and then it should say down there, go back in there. And they also have a frequency set. Yes,

it's it a thousand hurts right now? Okay, perfect, perfect, that's what you want. Yeah. Mine says five thousand for some reason, but it doesn't matter. Okay. Yeah. Now when we when we when we turn this on, we're going to be setting an S four signal from the tiny SA into your ya see radio. So go ahead, hit it on. So where it says off, just hit the off and then I'll turn yep. Hear that yep. So, so what you're hearing there is a one killer hurts or a thousand HURTZ modulated tone on top of a sinus

soidal carrier. So you can hear how it's cutting in and out a little bit. Now, it's no, it's it's not cut. That's probably zoom to Okay, it's not. It's solid here, it's not cutting in it out at all. All right, So under that level on the left hand side, it'll say minus ten dB yes, really small. Yes, So click where it says minus ten and so that should drop it down to negative one thirty five. That doesn't seem to do anything. It's it's that negative

one sixteen right now. That doesn't seem to change it. Well, make sure you're clicking right on where it says the negative ten. So you might need to use the pointy thing. Yeah, let me get the thing. Where'd that go? Oh? Here it is? Okay? Does it have to be on when I do that? It can be a one or off, It don't matter. That doesn't seem to change anything, all right, Well, then just hit set again and then type in one thirty five one

thirty five. Uh negative. Make sure you do negative one thirty five, negative one thirty five yeah, negative one thirty five times one yeah. Yeah, see it only goes to one sixteen. I'm pretty sure that's what I put last time. It only goes to one sixteen. Ah, you're right, it's the tiniest a ultra goes lower than that. Ah okay, yeah, this one doesn't go down that low. Then all right, well there whoever was asking, there's another reason for you. Yeah yeah, yeah,

yeah yeah, more more versatility on the on the ultra. Okay, good, good to know. Yeah, but that's one way that you can test that. And then like what I did is on my seven O five, my icon I CE seven O five, I fet a negative seventy five four GBM signal into that to test my S meter to see if my S meter was accurate. And so most of these radio manufacturers will calibrate S nine, they don't calibrate the six d B delta between each one is what it's supposed

to be. And I'm not calling any radio manufacturers out because I don't want to shoot me, but you would be you would be surprised at how many radios start to like all S four's aren't created equal. I'll just leave it at that, right, yeah, right. You know, when I when I give signal reports on POE and whatnot, I it's all subjective, it's all like it's all like, hey man, your signals booming, I don't

really care what the meter says. You're getting an S nine and if your signals in the noise, I don't care if even if you're even if you are moving the needle, if your signals in the noise, you're you're getting a five to two or a four to four or something like that. So, yes, so we we've given signal reports as hams since before people had S meters on. Oh yeah, yes, it's supposed to be how you're hearing their particular signal, right, not exactly what the S meter says.

But a lot of people are like, well, you're you're pegging my S meter, which is which just fine to know, but there's so many different things that that. But if you have an S nine noise floor and I'm pegging your meter, I don't I don't find that too impressive, you know, right, Well, the thing is is that you can adjust your RF gain. That's true, that's true, right, And so yeah, a lot of people leave that wide open. I never do that because I like

to have it. I'd like to be able to hear and when I'm older, you know, said, I don't want to hear all that static and stuff, so I usually keep in mind at around the twelve o'clock. Yeah, okay, So what were we trying to test here? Well, I was going to see how low of a signal that we could hear into that radio, because if you compare the oh, okay, the yasu to the bellfang. Yeah, it's a significant difference. The Yasu can hear much much

lower than the bellfang. Again, ah okay, so what's the lowest you've heard on a balfang? Then I think around one thirty nine probably, so that's really grainy. And then I've gotten like one forty negative one on the yasu, which is another which is another S unit. Yeah. Then another thing that you can do is you can adjust. You can put that signal like twenty five kilo hurts away, which is one channel actually it's it's it

would be the carrier of another channel. And if you could still hear that, then you know that your adjacent channel rejection is no good on the radio. You can test all that with the tiny essay Ultra. The tiny essay, I guess doesn't it's not. It doesn't get it go to low one. So that's a good I mean, if if if the bow fang will hear better than this tiny essay lower than this tiny essay will go. That's a reason to me, that's a reason in and of itself to choose the

Ultra. So yeah, so I did a video where I was using two tiny essays to inject two signals into the bowfang, and you would hear it go dead. Look, it would just completely go dead because it couldn't. It couldn't make the distinction between the two because of the direct conversion receiver that's built into the bowfang as opposed to superheads that are in the in the right right. Yeah, huh. How far down will this will this tinyessa go? Like? Is it? Is it good for testing chef radios? Sure

is. If you want to grab one, we can do it. I'd recommend a QRP given the attenuation sop labs. When you're getting that Jason's asking several times in the chat's that's Jim, I know, I know, A can you explain how to use two or more attenuators to tap down a strong signal? Yeah? So these are both ten WAT attenuators. So I don't really do it with this with these, but I'll take this as one hundred

WAD attenuator. So if I was testing the signal on my seventy three hundred at one hundred watts, I would put this one on here, and that would bring my signal down to zero dBm. But because tiny essays are so sensitive, you really want a lower signal coming in and just adjust for when we adjust the external gain. This goes near your radio, don't mess that

up. This goes near the tiny essay. And then you would just connect these two together and then you would add so like this is a thirty this one this is a ten dB attenuator, and this one is a forty. So if I add these together and now they've got fifty dB of attenuation. Hm, why does the order matter where one gets closer to? Well, because one can. This big one can handle one hundred watts. This little one can only handle ten. So if I attenuate one hundred watts by forty

dB, then I can hook this one up and continue to attenuating. If I switch them around and I push on hundred watch of this, I'm gonna I'm gonna smoke the innards. Okay, I'm gonna have to wait on this. So I've got my original FX for C here. This is nice FX four C, not the CR that's the new one. It has a B and C connector on it. But I do not have a B and C male two SMA connector. I have a B and C female to sme. See if you can put the barrel connector in place, and see if you

can do it that way. Let's see. You need to get a big box of all the different nectar type chase I've got. I've got Kyle's tackle box down here. Man, this thing is awesome, but I don't have that. I've never had a need for that type of connector, so obviously I need to upgrade my game. So can radio outlets just up the street? Yeah, that's the same. Yeah, that would be terrible. If I had one close by, I'd probably be there all the time. I

work less than five minutes from that place it is. I'm actually going to be in Dallas in about two weeks. What but I'm landing at like two in the afternoon, and then I've got to go to a meeting at four, and then i have to go to a dinner, and then I have to fly out at like eight o'clock the next morning. Oh, that's no good. You should stay longer next time. Well, you know that's I should have enagled something where I was doing that. But yeah, I have

a feeling I'll be down in Dallas a lot in the future. You got time for another question or are you about ready to go? Jason, I am not. No, I don't have I'm not sure I've got the right connections here, all right, So liberty Cave, how do you test FRS radios with no ability to put them on a dummy load? Well you can. You can question if you have an attenuator, and then you can feed the attenuator into your tiny essay. Then you can test them that way.

Now, the rules for gmrs and FRS are overly complicated. They're way more complex than they are for HAM radios. So I don't test them because things like you have to have a certain percentage of power within a certain frequency away, and then it just keeps cascading like if you read it. I'm just like, I'm not smart enough to figure that formula out. So so with an FRS radio to be legal, it doesn't have a removable antenna, I think what he's asking, No, no, no, oh, how oh,

so most of the time you can't. You can't unscrew the antenna. So most of the time, if you take a look at it an HT and you look at the antenna, they'll be a little teeny tiny n set pin in there that would Yeah, So if you remove that set pin, then you can you can go ahead and unscrew it. That's true. That's one way to do it. Another way to do it is you can crack it open and then soider onto the antenna port and uh, you know you have you have to have steady hands to do that. It's just it's just

an FRS radio. It doesn't matter, right, No, I don't have the right connectors. But this will be a test that I performed next time, so if I might get you back on the show. Yeah, man, we can do that. Maybe we'll do it. I was gonna, I was, hey, this is the battery that I built last night, guys. I got the shrink wrap and everything, so I was gonna plug this into my FX for radio. I was gonna show you that it worked.

A double test there, that's right, yeah, double test. But now I don't have a I would need a I would need an s M, A female too be and C male and I don't have that. Yeah, Josh is saying you could use the antenna for the tiny essay to look at the output. I don't know what the room say for frs and gmrs, but for amateur radio, you have to measure at the antenna output.

So even if you measure through twenty five feet of coax, it's not a legitimate test because they want they went to the envelope at the at the antenna output. Yeah, yep, good, well that is Hey, this was fun. I enjoy uh. I enjoyed every part of this. So how do I get back to the main menu on this thing? They should have a backup option. There's not a breath escape all these steps and understand what just happens. Switch to low. I can rewatch my own video. So

you know, there's there's always that. There's this thing called YouTube where everything is recorded. The easiest way to get it back is to turn it off and turn it now. Actually, if if I went back into it and I sweach, I said switch back to low, and it came back to the main screen. Oh okay, gotcha. So yeah, because you were switching it to high. We have a burning question here, and I think it's very topical for the topic. Once I get one, I say it.

Once I get one, now I remember run up. What I'll say. What I'll say to Frank is that I may or may not be in your log book. Ape is in my log book. Every time I see him on FT eight, I hit him up. I was like, hey, I can work it out there right now for Clarence Clarence. Yeah, yeah, served for Clarence. Have you worked me? I don't think so. I think you said once. We actually might have. We may we may have. I'd have to go back and check. I don't. I

actually have no idea. Yeah, that's funny. Well good, this was This was exactly what I wanted to do tonight. So thank you Ape Man for the time and anytime. So it's going to be if you want to get those connectors and we can uh yeah, yeah, we can do that. We'll get In fact, I've got a couple of q RP raiders. I just got the the mountaintop of the new four mt R four B n oh did you Yeah? And I don't know. It's weird because I always

tell people I hate QRP. But then I was talking to some of the other day, and I was like, well, yeah, but I own one of every radio. Yeah, I've got even with QRP radios. So I must really hate QRP. I don't know, but I like making fun of QRP, mostly because the people who do it. But it's it's not so much radios like that four C that you have there. Like I was almost going to get the four CR, but I'm like, I just don't need another QRP radio. Yeah, I tell you what, that four CR.

I actually think I like the forour C a little bit better than the four CR dud. Well, yeah, because the four C is ten watts. I've done ten watts on sideband and ten wats on FT eight. The four CR advertises twenty watts, but it only does like five to seven wats on FT eight. It does twenty wats on sideband. I can't remember what I think it does like five to seven wants on CW as well. But so I was like, well, a little QRP radio like that, I

might me my own personal preference. I would I would do FT eight with it more than anything. So I was a little bit disappointed that it did that. It did less power than its predecessor. On FT eight, just just saying qrps for heroes. Now, I admire the skill of somebody who can make a lot of good QRP contacts. But my problem is is that they're like the vegans of ham radio because they have to tell everybody. Yeah, they never shut up about QRP. Oh you know what I mean.

Like, I don't worry about all that. I beout the mobile guys driving down the road. Come on now, announce it. You're not paying attention. Hey. I love the mobile guys because they worked me on Poda. Every time I hear a mobile station on Poda, I'm like, hey, there was a mobile station, come on back. I like the I had a QRP station and last activation was like one of the loudest stations I've heard. I was like, I don't know what you're doing, but I've oh

I've had QRP. Yeah, I've had QRP stations that came in there. I'm like, okay, yeah, yeah, you sound good. Well. These mobile guys, especially ones doing CW and stuff like that. People are like, when these guys been doing CW for fifty five years, they are so damn good. They dream in CW. Yeah, I'm like, I don't know about doing that while driving. You know what I'm saying, Like I can, well, yeah, I can barely eat my sandwich, drink my drink and drive. I would never be able to at CW into the

day. I gave up trying to eat tacos and driving. It's just a mess on the shirt. Larry says. Here, I'm about to stop, uh doing poto with my ninety wat in a wire ain't ain't And I cannot come compete honting with the station running six hundred to one point five watts. Okay, yeah, I believe you. I understand hunting with the low power because that that's tricky. But if you're you're it doesn't matter how many watts you're running activating. Everyone wants to talk to you, So it doesn't matter

how many wats. You know what. QRP has its place and q r O has its place. In my opinion, QRP is great if you're if you've got a small pack and you're sitting on top of the mountain, it's wonderful. Out here in the flat lands, it ain't so great. Well, if you can't haul the equipment around and all that kind of stuff,

then you know you're gonna have a little bit of a problem. The other thing is is that QRP people are so what they do when they try to get you to join their team is is they talk about decibels as opposed to watts, right, because they're like, right, oh, it's just a

few dB per s units. So I mean, come on, now, if you get an antenna that has this much game, but if you look at it linearly as opposed to logarithmic, you start to see and we saw today when we did the test when we looked at watts versus the dB right. Yes, to me, I think that that is just a little bit of like where people like, just think about how healthy you're colon will be if you go vegan. You know what I mean. It's the same thing. It's the same premise where it's like, well, I don't know if

that's really a legit conversation. That's not yeah, yeah, yeah, I hate to tell you, but we were born to be meat eaters, right, That's that's just how we were made. Some people have legit yet medical medical conditions, Fine, there's nothing wrong with that. Some people are legit allergic to peanut butter. I don't think i'd still be alive if I was allergic to peanut butter. Right, So if you were allergic to RS,

then you should operate QRP, right, exactly. Yeah, So Bill's asking here, what is the limits of spur emissions to pass negative forty sixty? So it depends on the frequency and the power levels. But yes, on uhfu that we were that we were I'm sorry on VHF what we were testing. It's forty dB down from the fundamental if you're operating less than twenty five watts. So there's numbers change depending upon which frequencies you're using and power level

power cool, Okay, this was medical conditions. Now in the chat, I know we just eighty meters now, yeah, yeah, yeah, we're all on eighty meters now. That's funny. So Ape, when's your your

next Hallmark movie night? Is it? Is it on Fridays? Well, it's supposed to be Saturday or Sunday nights, okay, And then it depends it depends on which, Like the Hallmark Movie channel is all man hating stuff, yes, it is, you know, like everyone is like the man gambles too much or he drinks too much, or he's got a girlfriend and then you know, and then a lot of times the wife ends up killing him and and everybody's like, oh, I just love the way that Nancy

was able to get rid of her husband. I don't. I don't like this kind of stuff, Like I don't. I prefer y'all not watch it. You know, So I'm not well. The reason I ask is our next half hour is next Friday. So I love it. I would love it if you would come back to the Happy Hour Friday. Yeah, let me. I was about to say, what did I miss here? Yeah? Let me? Let me? Uh, Because every time I invite ape to the channel for some some YouTubers get together we have he's like, well,

that's Wholemark movie night. Son got to watch around it. Yeah, why don't you grow up here and like do some YouTube bud Joe brets and they're making fun of me, Joe Brad talking about your busted attenuator earlier. Buddy, just just bring up a peanut butter whiskey if you want to shut up, Joe Brad. Joe Bratt sez, Yeah, I haven't got some millers sitting on ice right now. I'm gonna have to Yeah, I almost polished off my whiskey the four roses. And that's not the bottle you showed

at the beginning that was full, is it? It was not full when I showed the beginning was here. Oh but is that what you're drinking right now, Frank, Yeah, that's why I just polished off. Okay, good for you. Almost almost gone. But I have a leader. This was the one I showed at the beginning. Oh that's the that's the one. Yeah, I thought I thought, I thought you had a full bottle. Oh yeah, that's that's why I was holding up as my award for

four thousand describers. Y'all love me. Well, I gotta tell you that. So the Buffalo Trace is a really nice bourbon. I remember when it was twenty six dollars for a bottle. Now now it's like around forty bucks for a bottle. Yeah, it's all the all the everybody got into drinking bourbon and it raised the price. But that and like several lists came out

and just wiped the shells all the bourbon. I was joined for twenty to thirty bucks mckenneth Bottle and bonded on one hundred proof that was going for twenty five dollars and now it's a rare item, Ego rare. I used to find it on the shelves about four Yeah, like Egle rare. Well. I used to drink the Van Winkle bourbons all the time, and so I used to My favorite is the lot Be. It's a twelve year old Van

Winkle and I used to get it for forty dollars a bottle. And I had some of the other like I had the twenty three, the twenty year old. I had a bunch of them. And then Anthony Bourdain was the one that told everybody how great it was. And that's really what shot the price of it up. I sold a bottle out of mustash for nine hundred dollars somewhere around eighty bucks. You should have bought like a thousand bottles of that at forty bucks a pop bag. I could recover already, Yeah,

because I used to there. One store by me always had it. And so I go out there and I s yeah, I asked him, and he goes, dude, I can't get it anymore. And he goes and if I could, i'd have to charge you more money. I'm like, son, I've been coming here for years. You're trying to reveal. That's right, that's right, last time, Josh, Josh, just Josh, you You've just committed yourself, buddy, He says, I'll bring my attenuators to the happy Hour if I'm around this month. Well you're gonna you gotta

be around now. You just you just committed to it. So that's it. Everyone, you heard it here first. So I was just that Specs. When we were trying to buy this monster bottle, I grabbed the wrong one. But anyways, and I was asking like do you have this or that? And she's like, you're you're asking all about the allocated bottles. I'm like, I used to drink most of these three four years ago, and they were just sitting on the shelves. She's like, yeah, you

know they're all going to wait list kind of crab. Well, yeah, nowhere. To get the list of Specs, you gotta be one of the primary members or premium members, where you spend over one thousand dollars a month. I'm like, I'm not drinking that much bourbon if I am, help me. So. I used to run an IT engineering team and whenever we

would get a new person promoted from administrator to engineering. Once a month, we would all pull our money together and we would call this one liquor store and we would make massive orders, a couple thousand dollars, and we'd always send a new guy. We'd be like, all right, it's your turn to go, and he's you know, he said, put us my turn last month. It's like at your turn until we get another new guy out of it. You even have to go out there and pick up cases of

bourbon and bring them back. Oh my god, Well that's how you get on the list. Yeah, yeah, that's true. I found a bottle of scotch in my in my pantry the other day, and it was it had gotten hidden behind a couple other bottles, and I took it out and started pouring myself with a bottle of scotch, and I'm like, I can't. I know now why I don't drink bourbon, because Scotch is so much better, so much better than bourbon. You know, they age Scotch and

bourbon bottles for a reason. Yes, I know, yes, yeah, yeah, I mean, I don't know, it's just smoother. Everybody's tastes are different, you know, everybody I know. I give Ap a hard time about about his Miller Lite obsession and he doesn't like my dark beers and it's all right, it's all good. But everybody's scotch, everybody's uh. This one was a Glenn Livett. Uh No, Glenn MORINGI. Glenn Levitt is good. Dimple Pinch is good. I don't. I don't like the

real Peda ones like my favorite is uh. I don't like it Pete like. But that's pretty pricey bottle at Wood Bond twelve. I think it's around eighty to one hundred bucks, depending on where you go. That's not too much for me, because honestly, if I buy a my wife will give me a bottle of scotch. Well not every year, but a lot of times. She will give me a bottle of scotch at Christmas and usually and that bottle of Scotch that I just finished like two weeks ago was one she

gave me a Christmas lash. So it's been like nine months or ten months. I'll tell you what at of Indian Scotch that I will give to you at Dayton next year. Jason, Okay, And I was going to ask if you're going to Orlando again. I don't know yet, So I just don't know. Like we typically try to line that up with our annual Disney trip that we do. Yeah, but sometimes that's the availability of the time share is where that becomes a little bit Oh you got a timeshare out there?

Okay, yeah, so what I What I was saying though, is that because I worked with tons of people from India, they always give me bottles of these Indian scotch and is it Is it good? I don't know. I like, I like Indian food. I used to watch my last

IT job. We had a bunch of Indian people there and they would do we would do this uh pot luck, just like the whole IT department, and they bring all this Indian food and I'm like, okay, it looks kind of weird and ask them what it is and it's got some weird I was like, I don't know how to say that. Then you taste it and it's like yeah, you taste it, it's like, man, this is really good. Well, so I do make a barbecue chicken. It's like super red. I think it's called tangory chicken. That yeah, yeah,

that's good. Some of the other stuff I'm not such a fan of. But I have yet to have anything that that I did not like. Some of it I like better than other stuff. But for the most part, I think I like most of it. So it's it's not I don't I enjoy most all ethnic foods. I have not had hagis yet. Yeah, I don't think I'm going to like it. I would like I'll try it. I'll try it on. I'll try it once. I told my wife, I try anything once. I've never tried hagis. But yeah,

but all the all the Asian foods, I love, Thai food. Yeah, the Philippines. Man, they were eating which is like an unhatched duck inside of an egg that's like, I don't know, weeks old or something like that. Yes, it's like I ain't eating that. Yeah. Yeah, Josh has talked about that. Apparently that's a delicacy for his family. So yeah, yeah, that's great, Okay talking about it. I'm like, Ye'll tell you, I'll do you a favor and let you have my

share of that. That's right, that's right. Yeah, Yeah, I'd like to try it once just to say I did. But yeah, apparently it's pretty inhumane the way they do it. That's what I was talking to my wife about it. She's like, I don't want to eat that just because it's inhumane the way they do it. I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I mean, look at the way the pigs are treated for bacon, you know what I mean. Like, it's true, true, I'm just not We're talking about rattlesnake and bull nuts. I'm not eating

none of that. Rattlesnake is good, fantastic, but I had I had mountain oysters one time, and there was so much breading around them you couldn't really tell what they were. So yeah, I don't know about that. Yeah, but I'm kind of back on amateur radio here. Maybe the last question here, Bill's ask how or where do you find a chart or list of the limits of spurry missions frequencies versus power? As Ape explained, it's

Part ninety seven, Section forty seven, I believe. So just go to Google and type in part ninety seven and spurious emissions amateur radio, and it'll probably pull up the Cornell website to that link and you can check it in there. And then Bill, once you start messing around with it, you'll you'll start to be like, oh, well, five watts is thirty seven, ten watts is forty dB. You know, you'll it's it's just like anything else. Then when you start doing it and become second nature to you,

interesting, Josh is coming back at you. That's funny, I know. But as you were as listen, it's not a human so how can it be inhumane? You know what I'm saying, Like, I don't get that. Well, there's there's there's there's such a there's such a thing to be said for the ethical treatment of animals, Like you know, these these slaughterhouses that feed cows a bunch of corn and where they can't even move around and to get them all fat and everything. Yeah, well but grass fed,

free range cattle tastes better than that slaughterhouse crap does anyway. Yeah, we pretty much grass fed. So do we we buy our lot? Well, I shoot a lot of our meat because I have the deer lease, So we eat a lot of venison and pork, and then we have a we have a local butcher here in town that slaughters a cow every couple of months or something, and we'll buy our our meat, our beef locally here as well, so we don't even buy I don't think we bought meat except

for chicken beef. I don't think we bought any red meat at the store for like five years. Yeah. We have a guy that does grass fed longhorn close by, and so yeah, yeah, that's super lean, yo. Like some people want like a nice, big, old, fatty ribbie or something like that. So you want to get like a angus cow or whatever it is for that. But yeah, yeah, yeah, well, well, Josh, I will try it. I said I would try anything once, and I would try it, but I just heard it was inhumane.

I don't know. Maybe maybe I'm thinking of, oh, you know what I'm thinking of. I think I'm thinking of fog wa frog. That's like, yeah, it's like a it's no, it's like a fatty goose liver. Yeah, and they and they and they and they forced fees the goose a bunch of meat, so it gets really fat. So it's the liver gets big. Yeah. I never had that either, But but ballute is a fertilized egg, so I mean it would have hashed if they didn't not right, right exactly, Yeah, but they're still rolling dice. Man,

you don't know. I mean, you know, they've got like veins and stuff, and they're all like membranes and stuff. You know. I heard it looks weird. So you get you look at it, you're like, what the heck is I don't know. I've never had it. I don't know Josh likes I think I'm pretty sure Josh said he liked it. So when every time he says that he would drink one of my pickle beers, it'd be like, well, yeah, but you're weird already, dude. I'll drink a pickle beer any day over. Has it tried ballute yet?

The same veal as human? But if you no, no, no ballue. I haven't even tried the goose liver is fog wah or how you say that? Yeah, but you I thought you said you had ballute. Okay, maybe I'm thinking of something else. Well, no, Josh, you's gotta try ballue. I thought he said it was something that something that was popular in Chinese culture, which his wife is Chinese. Well, we'll just find a restaurant at the next hand fish and we'll go. I'll try

it. It was Vietnamese culture. Yeah, I don't think you're gonna find it. Well, what's the next one. It's gonna be Orlando Leando. Yeah, Orlando's the next big get get together. Yeah, Orlando. And then uh it's like February, right, this week of February right, yeah, yep. I still can't forget how how you came up to me? Right? I was like so dazed, like, yeah, well, the worst was h MRDI will probably tell you I I I groped. I don't know, but it was it was in a non sexual way, and uh

story please, I didn't know this. Yeah. Well, the thing is, nobody knew I was going to be there, and it was funny because I didn't want to get spotted. So even when I pulled into the parking lot, I had my COVID mask on, you know what I'm saying. And then that way I was able to make my way into the into the into the fair grounds with anybody know one. Yeah. Yeah, And you

gave them your your g M R S license at the window. You don't have to, you don't have to give a license to get in, so they and when you go up, you just tell them a name and they go to the will call box and hand it to you. They didn't even check out idea or anything like that, because I was going to tell them, as a sovereign citizen, it's unconstitutional for them to ask for my identification. So more more more so than that, we actually welcome newcomers into ham

Radio. Yeah, yeah, exactly because we should or we should be and then those of you who don't can go go back to q r Z and stay there. Yeah. A lot of people bring their their old lady right, and a lot of times they're not Hams. So down in Orlando they had a nice tupperware section in one of the Oh they usually have nice jewelry

and or handbags. When I shoot my pictures for random stuff I find, I make sure it's not some of that are the stuff that's open up for the ladies there, because I'm not trying to pick on that, And and I think it's awesome that they're there. And there's sometimes cool crafts there. There was a guy that did chainsaw art at Huntsville. No cool crafts is what he says. Cool crafts. Cool crafts. Mm hmmm, we'll talking about frog legs. Now frog legs are damn good, guys, I don't

really good. Another chicken wings it's like it's like it's like very lean, juicy chicken if I was hungry. But like I got a pile frog legs are good. Good. I don't eat bugs, reptiles or amphibians. Kangaroo. I'll try kangaroo. I've had kangaroo. That's actually, haven't I haven't had kangaroo. No, I haven't done that. I tried tim tans and those are amazing. They those are kangaroo cookies, right, Kangaroo taste real minerally, like it's it's kind of like a real mineral. Yeah. But

like I had kangaroo burgers, I had a kangaroo steak. I had kangaroos. I've been to Australia work, so I haven't tried that yet. Well, guys, thank you very much for joining tonight. This was a really interesting stream. You're going to be seeing more of this being used on the channel, I think, because every time I get a new radio I have at least one commentary that says, why don't you put on a spectrum analyzer. I'm like, okay, well now I can do that. Yeah,

So which is a good it's a good question. It's a fair question. So no, we we kind of have a responsibility as amateur radio reviewers to do it. Yeah. Yeah, So when you get the connectors in or whatever, if you want to catch up offline, I'll show you what I got and then we can do okay, okay, cool, Thanks for having me on. Thanks everybody in chat. Had a great time tonight, absolutely yeah, thanks Ape. It's always good to have you on. Good,

good, good wealth of information and knowledge there. So I appreciate your uh your expertise tonight for sure. So yeah, you guys have a good one. We'll see you tomorrow night on Monday Night Ham Radio. I have a premiere tomorrow. I think a couple of other people go too, so good okay, so uh yeah, we'll see you then. Thanks guys, appreciate it way goodbye bye,