Your seven billion dollars in the two- fold villamose lengo that exists. The risk is ninety percent. They are from SMEs that generate 80 percent. Give me twenty minutes of your time and I, in return, will give you information on the most relevant issues in foreign trade, tax and customs with a human touch and let' s traik a podcast of Magic TVs and Mexica Hello. How about a good afternoon, welcome, let' s have a barter, as you know, a telese event, magas and Mexico. And,
well, this week it started very intense. I don' t know if some already commented, but well, in the customs part, many wanted to apply the test or applied the test for customs people. Some came out a little disappointed, but well, it was part of right now some discussions that there are on that subject, but well I take advantage to greet you, to greet my dear Doctor Maximo Carvajal, how are you, Doctor, good
afternoon welcome to barter? Thank you, Enrique, you know I send him a very big hug with those Christmas balls that so far smells Christmas And well he seen pleasure to greet him and today, of course, a great guest, to whom we always thank him for bringing us so much experience, Master Gilberto Martínez, Master how is good afternoon welcome to make a barter? Thank you, thank you, Teacher, and thank you and everyone for being here
with us. And well, today' s topic is the reduction of working hours, an algido issue that is still under discussion, so crack is going to get good. It' s today and it' s good to be able to give him the word. I' d like to introduce your looks and allow me to. Professor Gilberto Martínez Quintero is a graduate of the Bachelor of Law of the Autonomous University of Baja California and Specialty in Law and also a public accountant at the Instituto Tecnológico de Tijuana. In addition, he has
master' s degree in law and general administration from the UBC. It has existed since nineteen hundred and ninety- nine in various forums such as Kanako, Colegio de Contarios Públicos de Baja California, Asociación Mexicana de Contadores Públicos de Baja California, Asociación de Profesionales y Mobiliarios de Tijuana, Colegio de Contadores de Ensenada or ABC, Universidad Sertes Universidad UTA t to mention some on various topics such as tax breaks, fiscal defense, labor law, anti- labado law,
privacy notice law, among other issues. He has been an independent tax accountant for over thirty years and has served as an accounting expert before the district courts of the Federation' s judiciary. Former tax coordinator of the Faculty of Accounting and Administration of the UABC and was also law coordinator at Cessura University, in addition to imparting the charter of tax law and individual labour law, as well as taxes at other universities. Master, we welcome you and thank you very
much. I would also like to thank all those who are with us at the national level for a barter and, well, I give you the floor and thank you. Thank you very much, Master Daniel, thank you very much for this presentation and, above all, for the invitation. Thank you, and you already know that we are happy to share our opinion, therefore, through this kind of talks in which, since we develop certain toral issues that concern not only the company, but also the region, the economy,
the law, even the country itself. Let us say that this question of analysing the problem, because it never ends. It' s an old-
fashioned walk, and trouble isn' t gonna end. And, well, this range of talks and analysis that we do that we dedicate ourselves to these topics in particular, because it is only trying to bring a bit of sand and put it to the consideration of all those who are listening to us, therefore, effect precisely that they take their own or nourish their own opinion And those who are entrepreneurs, those who are advisers, because it also serves as
something to be able to carry out excellent advice to the company. In my case, well, we dedicated more than thirty years ago as independent public accountants to advising companies and, on the other hand, in the case of the legal career, because more than twenty- five years ago, both in the field of employment and in the area of tax defence. And I also want to presume that I have a little tree. Nothing else you can' t see is the little tree and also from here, competing with engineer Jiméns.
Of course I do. The Christmas spirit is no longer here. I am not saying Gali Matías, but yes and this range of reforms that at the end of the day we could conclude that they are not very timely for our entrepreneurs, as advisor to employers companies, because we have or we collect genuine concerns, those concerns on the part of our customers where they almost even beg us. Tell me how I' m gonna do it,' cause I ' m getting more and more expensive on the payroll. I mean, the
holidays have already started, and subcontracting can' t be done. The employers ' quotas have already been increased by two thousand twenty- three, two thousand thirty to what is fore, and the minimum wage goes up giving away the
money of others. You know who and everyone is not just this government, all of them, but raising the minimum wage and having an impact precisely on the costs, on the payroll, on the prices, on the aguinal, which is aired that for the next year will surely be tested and increased to thirty days. And that has an impact on the payment of the employer' s obreo photos, the INFIE, the NINFONAVIT and the fore because in automatic
it has to be integrated. He' s leaving. There is an initiative to extend the first occasional from twenty- five percent to fifty percent paternity leave, which is currently five days, as there is an initiative for two initiatives, one to extend it to ten days, as originally was in the reform of two thousand twelve. And there is another market Patricia, so, the great senator who gives money to the rest, which is the simplest thing in the world, where she doesn' t say no how, how ten days
paternity leave we go bearded to thirty days that the hell not. Of course, such initiatives sound very good at the electoral level and I believe that our deputies and senators are being irresponsible in that regard. They are no longer issuing letters to look good and without analyzing, without quantifying, without listening to the parties who, at the end of the day, are going to be wronged in the economic question and who will then vote to the workers themselves definitively.
This subject even dyes itself, dyes itself of ideology. So when ideology enters into this kind of initiative, because we are already wrong, because many, not even some judges have heard them in the open Parliament this talk. In Congress, three dates were given for the open parliament that call listening to the citizens, listening to the academy, listening to the parties in pine and a judge, a judge if not more if he said it is not time to
do justice to the workers. Calm down, please, sing, then and the Mexican Revolution is over. Now that, now, that must already be over the issue. The lawsuit ended there in nine hundred and twenty- one, when the Mexican Revolution began in nine hundred and ten, that yes, indeed, there was a calamity for the working class. Not there, we could see the abuse of big companies, including foreign companies, the two strikes, where they had the workers killed in the Cananea, this river Blanco.
If there were the enormous conditions, very ugly and indeed, tightened so much the wedge that was seen, because the bases were laid down, because for a movement of such a nature that we romantically call it the Mexican Revolution, it was nothing more than a civil war and good account. But that must be forgotten by now. That doesn' t make sense to be saying good
anymore. It is that in the Federal Labour Law, both in the Federal Constitution and in the Peral Labor Law, I am going to be increasing the benefits, because it is fair for the workers to hear and the employers because that reform goes to both parties and the employers with whom they will have to pay and fight to cover those benefits. You heard them and you took them into account. No, no, no, it' s that one in justice. But what are we talking about, because if we go into the
sphere of ideology, we go further. I believe that here, among all this gibberish that these labor reforms have become, we have that of labor reduction and I believe that here, in reality, we have to see this issue by a multidisciplinary group really to say it is of greater benefit. I see the legal aspect nothing more, but here, perhaps psychologists can also share, because what are the benefits, what are the advantages, why really, what
is the benefit of sociologists, anyway for accountants. And to say for effect, that is, well, in an integral way, to have at least overcome all the aspects that it has that or that imply this important, this important initiative, which is the reduction of labor, because we can start in budgets mine, for example, to say to see the reduction of labor, to reduce the week from six days to five is beneficial. Or it isn ' t, so imagine yourself. Don' t imagine as you say now.
Imagine, for that of course is childish. No, because if I, instead of going to work six days, I am going to work five, they will pay me the same salary in the week, because of course it is beneficial for me to vote soon beneficial as to that I will rest for the same salary, but when we talk about when we talk about that statement, we have to see it with jiribilla with an analysis. I say to him in all aspects, especially economic, even labor, because to see
the beneficial can immediately. Apparently I do, but maybe I' m out of a job, because, for example, and I' m telling you this at once because it' s true what clients are telling us how I do it, how I do it and I do it as a lawyer, how I do it as an administrator. Help me with this, because I won' t be able to bear it, I' ll have to close the changarro. Do not expect not to close see these alternatives. And one of them that I' m giving you in my case is to check your
work team. But it is no longer approved. Don' t do it anymore How many workers do you have, then, that a dozen check them with magnifying glass one by one and pick four of them that you' re going to fire, that we' re going to fire, because I'
m going to support you to get the costs. Stay with the optimal staff, stay with the productive staff, stay with the staff that shows attitude for the job, that shows willingness and identify the four of twelve four, because the payroll is in face that from twelve you will have to reduce it to eight to follow the same level of bidder in your company. Then we already have the first pernicious effect, which was initially beneficial, as it turns out
that it will not benefit you much. Yeah, you' re going to work for five days, but see when you find work, because while you ' re already on the street because that' s what we' re going to start ventilating, I mean, we say it with all his words, and it' s not revanchism, it' s not being against this disposition. It' s the need not one of our client who' s pressing that says I' m not going to stand the payroll, I' m going to have to close the Changarro. It' s not like I don
' t want to help you any more benefits. I can' t give you any more benefits. I' m bleeding from the worker against other benefits. You' re winning the ims me, you' re giving the imponavit the fore me, it' s bleeding the payroll tax. The government of the state, that is, they' re caught in the skin with those
little animals that suck your skin. They' re just squeezing you out, because I' m going to tell you, well, I' m going to give you an incentive, and I, the government of the state, don' t invent a new tax, a second tax, on payroll tax. Hey, boss, pay salary. Yeah, yeah, I' m promoting employment, paying wages, and I' m gonna punish myself with a tax on the novel. And why, then, for paying wages. Then there are taxes even so absurd, so clumsy that it says good, but
because I have to pay you a tax for generating employment. As today' s philosopher says, they don' t have a filler, so you have to see it. I insist in an integral way on the case of reduction, yes, immediately. If I earn five thousand pesos or three thousand pesos a week I work six days and now I' m going to work five, they' re going to keep paying me three thousand, because I' m going to rest twice and they' re going to pay me, yes, effect you' re going to have even the same prices. That can no
come on, but that' s right away. You should see the longer be said by likely economists. I' m saying not this. We have to look at it multidisciplinaryly, because I do not like to address areas of other colleagues who are experts in your area, but we can insist there are clients who are strengthened in what fits, are medium- sized companies that we advise and they do have that quality. Say well, no, no
problem. I don' t care about my team. I' m going to give you what the law says without a problem, after all, I ' m going to pass it on to the prices. I' m going to pass it on to the prices I give to my clients. I have that potential and I can do it. Then they' re gonna do it. But there are others who don' t. Then you' d have
to see what it is now. Yes, that the impact from the point of view of the economy, both in the worker' s economy and in the employer' s economy, as well as in the local economy and the national economy, with this type of initiative, this initiative is part of the budget, part of the budget of which it is time. It is time
for the working day to be reviewed, for example. There are some who say that is not that she is so old, the law that is not reviewed and it is work, since to rest hole does not go there either. If it' s not a birthday, if it' s not a party, they' re like salary increases coming from the worker and boss mind my salary because they' re already a birthday at the company. No, Mr Digan, when you come here and tell me you' ve already increased
productivity and raised wages. We' re not going to increase him here because he' s turning. Already that one must also be removed from it and that is another of the effects, another of the recommendations that we are making to the customers hears, since it no longer increases salary. That is, if, on the one hand, you are going to pay the government high taxes, precisely for all these labor reforms, because the government takes a big cut. It' s a bird, it' s a shot that kills
two birds, as the saying goes. In fact, the government is collecting without inventing taxes, but it really looks good to the workers and at the same time is giving large taxes, both to infon and navit as well as
the local coffers of state taxes and therefore especially supernominous. Then there we have also good, that is to say that freezes the salaries hear because I increased them every year, because no longer because that increase you gave them, because now it turns out that you will have to correct those costs that you have to face because the aguinaldo is being reformed. There are initiatives and they' ve all been thrown out for the next year, because of the electoral issue.
Right now, I' m on my way, but that cost because you' re going to fix it with those increments that reached the worker. So that' s another one of the alternatives that we propose to our clients when they ask us, because that advice, because if we see them burdened, they don' t think that' s the case. He is seen and, on the other hand, let' s forget about the ideology is that the boss exploits, because get out of the company. There' s one way to help out that I see a crybaby that I see in the
networks is that my company is now. Good thing you' re here, because my boss has me here exploiting my face and history and that Nekenna plantations were there, already for Yucatán, in the early 20th century, where you couldn' t leave, you couldn' t leave the plantation. The soldiers were coming for you, they were looking for you wherever you went, they were returning you back, as our countrymen say here in America, they were
returning you back. And so until you died there because you ran away from the plantation. See it there. It is a book, it is a denunciation that makes on genetx Turner in the play to Mexico Barbaro. There are the conditions in which our workers lived, and there a worker, especially those in Yucatán, could not escape. But that' s no longer the case. In fact, the law, both the Constitution and the law, points
out well. The worker has no responsibility. If you leave the job, none or if you signed a contract, nothing happens to the worker, to the employer, yes, you have to give the master three months because I finish his contract, because I don' t need it anymore, for whatever you want, but no longer. So I don' t accept that they ' re saying it' s exploding my pattern. Then how he' s exploiting you and he' s chaining you up, chained you there to work.
There isn' t. If a company exploits you, it treats you badly and you greet. You' ll be changing Chamba by now. He ' s got a case of being in that company. So all these ideas have been collected and expressed around this issue of shorter working hours. It is about time that companies had to look after their workers. It' s always been veiled at the end of the day, with its ups and downs.
Of course, but always the reduction of working hours says good is that we are going instead of working six days, they are going to elaborate five. It is not that what gives forty hours eye boy end see comes look well, write it down, please, no more for what you fit well. This is a constitutional reform of article one hundred and twenty- three paragraphs of the Constitution of the United States of Mexico. It' s a reform of
days, not hours. Because it does give forty hours, but the reformation is heard for every five days of labor, the worker must rest two paid. Then it is in days I tell you something that gives forty. I ' m not telling you because there are others. I think like three initiatives, like three in Congress to reduce the daily working day from eight to seven hours. That' s another little tap that I don' t think sentences like that. No, but imagine, imagine five days is eight hours,
the maximum day is forty hours. That' s what it gives, but there are three initiatives. That' s where, where also the maximum day is intended to be reduced to that. We' re not doing it every day for the maximum of eight hours. There are three initiatives. You have to be very careful. It' s the five- day one right now. I do not know what it gives forty, but it does not talk about the reduction of forty- eight, but the truth is the forty-
eight hour working days. Forty- eight hours are currently being prepared. Other justifications are that in Germany, it' s that in the Republic of Chile, it' s that in Spain, it' s that in Europe, it' s that in the United States you already work forty hours and then, then no, then we love the party. No, and why don ' t we, because that' s the point. There' s the answer. Why don' t we rest, because we don' t produce
the same. There is no comparison point with Germany, for example, that they work thirty- seven hours, not thirty- five hours in Germany, but they are much more productive than the Mexican worker. Thirty- five hours,
thirty- four three and more productive. In Spain it is thirty- eight five for the two thousand twenty- four, in Chile thirty- seven hours, because it has gradually been reduced and because we do not compare but the global productivity index in the countries, because no, Mexico is very low, very far from the first places. So here the point is that that is precisely where I take the side around the alternative I give to the customer,
which I tell you one can choose the most productive. One picks the most productive, because you' re gonna fire four. That' s what I recommend. You make the decision I recommend you and that' s why I' m already charging you on the one hand, but on the other, don' t rush. Don' t go to the room for 12 o' clock saying you need to hire an employee. He doesn' t change the chip anymore, even if he' s a small businessman, he ' s already changing the CHIP at once and I' m getting a worker.
That' s the first one I' ve hired. I' ve already hired him, because to see how you get out is no longer so expensive the payroll that you can' t anymore I advise you. Don' t hire anyone anymore, don' t plan your workers' needs anymore. And at least for the next month, if not for the year, and check which are who they are, if they have tables, as it is said colloquially, and also, still with the contract to test, with the clause, you can test them that here we advise you, for already at
least. You have protection there. Saying no, because Leake plainly did not serve. It looked good, it brought attitude, but no man, no, no, no, no, in the fifteen days it thundered well,
for there is the little contract. There' s a proof clause. Keep the period to the test nothing more than the month and already wright good- bye because it is so expensive the ninth that you can no longer hire anyone and do not walk in your hurry, because if you hire with you I hope that I already urge three of them then tell you after, nothing more, then sail with the squeak, because now there is, that is another one of the actions that the entrepreneur has to take. He won' t
hire any workers anymore. You have to be very careful there too. It ' s going to have an impact on the working class, because you' re already going to have to improve your knowledge, your skills, have graduates, well. The good thing is that there are so many courses and even free to have no diplomas in such a way that you show up with all those letters to apply for work and there you stay, at least to stay
today, from there to stay. It is another thing that has attitude, that is not lacking, that is punctual and that enters the chamba and that is productive. Because I' ve always said, because a worker is never fired to a bad worker. The workers always say goodbye to the bad. It' s weird. It' s weird there when you least experience it. It is rare there the pattern really does, it runs to a good worker usually, because it is a problem or a lack of attitude, among
other things. Returning to the point then of working time, these repercussions have to be taken by the employer. First, you get the wages, which means you' re finished, second, or you get a punctual attendance award. Sir, if you take it off, you' re not going to
get angry anymore, because you' re not obliged to give that. We have to verify more the plan of benefits and that if you put it there that was annual and that it is going to be reviewed annually take it off, not badly inform them in writing and let us go I will not give
you first for punctuality assistance and with that you will compensate those costs. They will be given to the government in the tax on so- called state, with a second on tax that comes to punish you the fact that you pay and give minds employment, the income tax, the employers' quotas afore, the employers' quotas to lims, because each year they are increasing among others. So here we have this problem that affects precisely the actions. There' s a little light there. That' s good. Well, forty-
eight hours is the current one. Six days to see I don' t know if we can change. That way, I' ll see, or I can change it. I can' t support us in changing the slide. But, well, that' s one of those I didn' t like. That' s better. So, that' s one of the repercussions and we say it as advisors, because you can talk a lot. It' s not that five days good, but why ah it' s that it' s already for justice, ah it' s not that now I' m going to be more productive. They say ah gee, pray
to him. That' s another justification some give, even that we can read them in so many publications, is that if you work, if it ' s a simplistic logic, it' s not that if you work less days, you' re going to be more restful, go for it, you' re going to spend more time with the family, you' re going to be happier and when you' re happier, you' re going to be more productive. That' s why I' m telling you that
this has to be helped by psychologists, sociologists, too. This is a job issue of itself, but it has other edges that can help us economists also face to face and by little, because yes, because if so and they are going to be, they will be both productive, as well as speaking thus towards a percentage. No, well, I think they' re going to increase productivity by ten percent a day, no, because it'
s fine. So what I say is five that is four, that works in four, no, because if the less they work the more productive. No, we' re going to cut him off. No, and where they got that, where the studies are, are the research that gives rise to that, and besides, in what turns, in what kind of activities, in what kind of companies it takes. That' s a mathematical formula that' s going to be given in all, in automatic, in all
workplaces. No matter what activity they are engaged in, if they are small and large and are medium- sized and are of construction, if they are of service, if they are of passenger cars, if they are doctors. He' s half- hearted. I don' t see it. Like this. The truth is, of course, that companies have to support the productive sector more by means of training. Of course, of course, because it even suits the company. But that more restful is going to be more
productive I don' t think so. What I do see I can imagine, I am not the expert is that they are going to be happier, more restful, that is, that they are from six days to five, yes, but from there to the immediate effect, that is, they are more productive. I don' t think so. I don' t think so. However, this reduction in working hours, as these were the justifications it has. Not that the law hasn' t changed in years. No, sir, if it' s not party, it' s not party,
I mean, we' re not partying. Unfortunately, our country is so bad at the economy. We have not come out in forty years of being a Third World country. It' s called romantically in development that' s another one we have. The curious Mexicans love to tell things by another name, when so simple to say we are third- worlders. We are in the process of developing, since what days, about thirty years ago I
have done that since Carlos Salinas de Gortari arrived. There are at the end of the 1980s in development that, by the way, managed to get on the free trade treaty train at least when it got together with two powerful partners, Canada and the United States. But this one, because I don' t see that. So here we have is that it hasn' t changed in years, because because it has to change you tell me why if it
' s going to change? I insist if there' s going to be an immediate counterpart, which is that you' re going to get me the same one, at least the same chamba in those five days. So, go ahead I don' t see any problem, because I need to get my production out, because my customers abandon me the first time they don' t comply with them. The trade doesn' t forgive the customers so they
don' t expect you and the competition is around the corner. But if you in five days are going to get me at least the same production of six, go ahead. But if not, it' s not that I ' m going to rest for rest, no, because it hasn' t changed in years, because then we' re going to lose customers. I ' m going to close down the company at the end, because I, the client, am not going to pass it on. That doesn' t
look. It' s just, like under production, because already my workers, by law they' re resting one more day and excuse me the client I' m going to deliver you the order you made in fifteen days. He' s not gonna wait for a client on that pretext. And so in the chain, the consumer equals the customer, the final consumer, because he wants to see a product. They don' t have it at the standf because it' s going to go to another, to buy it,
to another or a little worse, to care. Look at the foreign companies going to win, because I want my product, because there is not because production is not coming out, because now there is no productivity and work less five days a day less there is in the stock the products that my supplier, who always bought, because I need it already and here I have another two or three even imported, then there we will have, We will have
a problem is also that in other pasaises you already apply. For I do not care that in other countries snow falls or stops falling, because in other countries it already applies, for it does. When we have the productivity of other countries, such as Germany, we go thirty- seven hours, as they say they work in France, Luxembourg, Spain, Chile, Argentina, of course. The point here is that working time is already time. They say it' s not time out there. All the issues involved should be
aired. It' s not exactly time. It is not yet time that even the President himself, today or yesterday, says no, that always not that he leaves for the next legislative period having the majority in Congress and that it can be approved now to then go to the seventeen legislatures, because it is a constitutional reform, it has to be approved in Congress and, at
least, in seventeen entities, legislatures of the federative entities. It is a constitutional reform, it is a formula and that the Constitution itself points out precisely so that we will not be appearing the panties of the famous movie that comes and changes and the Constitution as they please not for that reason the formula of Congress and, moreover, the seventeen legislatures to change a comma of the Constitution,
for it would be necessary to see if it is now so. I insist that the legislators themselves froze it for the time being and the President himself ends up saying that if he trained that better for now he would not have been left in Congress at least to move later to the legislatures, which goes to the next, to the next legislative cycle. So, no, I mean, you heard it very well, you heard it well, but you are already starting to pause, because there are repercussions, because if it were
something positive, it would have already been approved. But it has its dimensions and its effects all in the immediate. And I insist as an advisor. Or you know what. First you freeze his salary. But already in the face of so much onslaught that there is through these labor reforms. Freeze that
I recommend that you don' t squeal at me. You already freeze wages time to be, because very low, because you are increasing the cost of payroll punctuality bonus to take them off what other benefits you are not required by law and you already start there to analyze case by case. Of course, the situation especially ok well, the other slide, right now, there are some questions there in the chat at the end we will gladly answer it.
The businessman. There is another issue also that we are forgetting, the artist entrepreneur. There' s the businessman. It is not a big entrepreneur or in economic question, because in magnitude it is not here, in Mexico, ninety- eight percent, ninety- eight percent is micro and small entrepreneur. That is also the problem, because we are not insisting, we are in a third world country. It is not good in the course of development,
because then you see the feelings and the sensitivity. Well, that' s okay, well, on the way to development, but the reality is that. Ninety- eight percent are micro and small entrepreneurs not, no, no, very chambeurs. It' s not taken away from them. Those are entrepreneurs. We support them as much as possible and they will bear the maximum
burden at best. Big companies do it. But, because they don' t have a problem because they transfer those costs to their users, for example, the banks that are going to be suffering the million dollar fines because they have been quietly paid for money laundering by two billion dollars without where they pay for how they charge it to users, because they have the market and they
have the economic potential to do so. But the micro and small not then between that closes, between that the informality goes today, between that lay off staff to stay with the ideal, because there we will be there doing all
those balances when we advise each client. In particular, each client is a special situation and, of course, that this reform can impact on the entrepreneur ' s finances, because that is another one also hears is that I my production program, I my work programme, I require that six days be necessarily drawn up one shift. Sometimes even the three of us. There are no companies, up to three there' s a company where, if you expect
it' s working at twenty- four hours. Three shifts every six days, Sometimes until Sundays he pays all that, he does pay them all, but because he has commitments to companies, even foreign companies, a media company, very organized, goes very well, he even has a foreign client. We' re not going to say, because it' s not that it says, it' s that I can' t stop production, that is, this five- day thing. I' m gonna have my employees there
He doesn' t matter that he already has to pay triple. They' re gonna keep working on Saturday. The worker knows what' s going to happen, that it' s going to be happy Hey, boss, do me a favor. I work Saturday. Also pray to him because he' s going to get ri on Saturday and the boss is going to say I don' t have another one. I have to do it on Saturday because I' d be late in production. He' s gonna pay them triple on Saturday. The worker, on that side, is going to be happy
because he' s going to bring you more money. But the essence of this reform will be lost, because the idea was that you should rest my boy. Now it makes you even more attractive to be there to see me turning around, to see if I authorize you to come on the sixth day, because not that you wanted to rest, yes, boss, but I already know that I pay triple. He doesn' t need me on Saturday. Segurito, Patrón, Segurito, Segurito, because I do want to work
on Saturday, Patrón, and there we will have them. That' s right, I see it, uh, and the patma say,' cause it' s not that I don' t have another one and I can ' t move my production. I don' t have this way maybe in the long run. Yes, where I extend, have more machinery and equipment,
hire more staff and then go to production within five days. But while I can' t do that because too, because there' s a budget that this planning is no more like that, no more I' m going to extend and rent the next place and put in more machinery and more workers and everyone in five days and I' m already getting the same level of
production. It' s not like that. There are machines like the ones I tell you, they are machines that are worth more than 200 good, not to be told, but there is enough money imported for the type of products that this particular makes, for example. Then we have one other problem that in this case is going to say good. I don' t care
if they work on Saturdays. Your sixth day I' m going to pay you, that there' s no problem because I can' t stop and then the worker will accept it. Of course, it' s not that he accepts it, it' s not that it' s imposed on him, because by law he' s going to have to accept it. The seventh day. Yes, you can refuse to elaborate it by the worker. The one who cannot refuse to work is the holiday break. That one I can force and I still have to pay triple, but I can force it.
The one I can' t force is the seventh day of weekly rest. Then, well, that would be solved, because surely he was working to say no, because more money. I do keep chambing him on the sixth day. I mean, I' m not sure he' s a boss, because he knows he' s gonna get a big prize. Then you have to be very careful. It' s going to have an impact on the finances and it' s going to have an impact on the things that your will necessarily impact on the prices and here I see quick in the
chat they' re going to look for another job. That' s the danger. But of the four of the four days, they already left five that were four in automatic and would be working in another chamba, in another job. It' s most likely four days here, three days in another chamber, because you have to know what kind of companies, what turns we have, that is to say we' re killing a construction company, two builders that that kind of work, a man gets into it and all the
overtime he wants. They happy and Sunday there are then with this they do not stop. They tell them that three days off, whatever, they go to the other company right away and then they go back to yours without any problem. We need to look at these issues. There' s nothing else there. I' m going to shrink, because we should see ventilate. That ok next slide, please and they' re supporting us with moving the entrepreneur. It' s from the perspective of the company I' ve already
told you. I do not hear what we do, what counsel accountant advises me, because I am a lawyer and filic accountant and we manage precisely the finances, taxes of taxpayers and customers. And it does look a little difficult. Or next slide, because of the five hundred that I have already put I think that it is a small one to conclusions, because yes, this question of the reduction of the working time does have to be gradual, if it is to be given, if it is to be given, it must
be gradual and, moreover, it must raise productivity. Let' s see, I insist if you in five days are going to answer me with greater productivity taking out at least the same production, because there is no problem. I don' t see any problem. That' s what we' d have to see, we' d have to see that situation the same way.
Must be reciprocal, right. I want to rest and he says, but I also want you to pay me, well, yes, yes, I pay you, but I insist on what you' re going to give in return, no, because I' m a worker and I want you to pay me, because it' s just to see when you set up your company, put on your changarro, to see put on a little chandarito that you want and hire a worker and listen to his demands to see if it doesn' t change your perspective, because it' s not that simple.
Just like that. This does not add to the problematic situation that persists in the working relationship that so many cases have experienced. I think the day I insist on what was left that is not approved this year. It will go until the next cycle that begins the legislative that begins in February ends in April. There it is, it' s going to be tried. It would have to do with what it looks like. If it' s going
to be gradual. I' d be the idea that if it' s going to prove to be sharp, not anymore, because this is something I ' ve collected. It should not be gradual, of course, but to see if a measure is to be taken, because once and for all it should be gradual as soon as the other year is approved and the twenty-
five for companies to prepare themselves. But you already know that two thousand twenty - five, already forty hours let us take already and have a period of grace to the entrepreneurs, for now to continue planning, to go, hiring more machinery, etc, training the current staff finally, because they require a staff to take out the same production at least already by that year and we think I am thinking aloud that they will be approved in two thousand twenty-
four with effect from January two thousand twenty- five. Then you already give the entrepreneur a time of grace to prepare himself, so that he can prepare himself and then have his own staff, even get rid of the staff and productive or even the staff, which is unproductive, but you invite him to be productive. And say hey, I' m gonna train you, I ' m gonna pay you this. I' ll pay you that to see if you stay here at the company, because when you work five days at
six, I want you to get the same productivity. And that' s how it' s gonna be. It is going to be a style there for the entrepreneurs and they are advised, at least with a server, among other colleagues that we have talked about in the field of work, that there is no other if the entrepreneur does not need, because there is no other than to tell him those pragmatic solutions and above all, the warning And I that I do them, do not go in their haste, already order,
already do everything in time, not to the boat soon nor to the room for the twelve syste will hire people. Now, if you do a procedure or hire, pay someone to evaluate that one. It doesn' t matter what it costs, but send the best staff to evaluate it. There are offices specialized in that to evaluate the skills of knowledge and that even give him popcorn. No, or this one is good for what you want. And
yet everything is still stuck. We hold it with the contract, with a clause that has a period of time to itself in case the flys as we say here in the North, then yes, yes, yes, I say that it will be tested in the other year and why, because of the context, also by the electoral context. Remember there that power is careful. Power is tremendous and no one wants to let go of power once he has
it. And then this is a great offer. I say, I misconceived already in the political sphere and of all politicians and boys, of all, of all are equal. All politicians, all are parasites who live on account, at our expense. All politicians around the world are parasites, leeches living at our expense. But there is no other. We don' t all fit in Congress, in the House of Senators, we have representatives, there
is no other. That' s the good system here. The point is that they are leaving it for the other year, to look good because of the proximity of the elections, that is, it was not approved in this one but it is approved in April. And, to put it this was a success for us in this Government. So, then, I' ve been good, in the elections it wasn' t our gain. I think that' s where she' s going and that' s why they stopped her. Now something that is going to be given in what terms, I
insist, we still do not know. I don' t think I' ll be in right away. I would like it to be approved, but let it be gradual forgiveness, rather than gradual, to enter a vacatio legis until January 1st of the two thousand and twenty- five. And so there is no excuse for entrepreneurs to prepare themselves for such effects. All right, I' m done with this. My talk. It' s a brief
talk. Here in December, already the Christmas Arbolito, since what else we can talk about so many things, but I would like to, anyway, review the questions. Let me see you open the chat here to answer the questions you asked to see good afternoon the rose Coahuila. Let me see, let me see so far the employment subsidy no longer applies because it exceeds the limit. I' m going to see ah that has to do with raising
to the minimum wage. That' s the name. If you are spending the money, how nice to spend the money at g not the increase of the minimum wage. Yes, that is another very interesting topic, very interesting because there is impact on the equal cost of products. That is another issue that should be looked at very well in equal social security contributions. And here we have to verify what that effect is, what all the effects are and are going to be nice gebrarto, in his opinion, the reduction of the
day will be testing twenty two thousand. It' s going to be approved in two thousand twenty- four. I' ve already consulted with Monsivist. I am not telling you that for the reasons I gave you a short time ago because of the electoral question. It' s going to be tested on the next one. How it' s gonna look. I still don' t know. I feel like it' s going to be, it' s going to apply up to two thousand twenty- five. Let' s hope so. Let' s hope so. Now, I insist on what
the counterpart is. It' s nothing more, because that' s where the aguinaldo' s from. Boy don' t increase to thirty days and with them the employer' s worker photos. How good you are to be my dear Doctor Octavio. What' s your opinion, he says sorry. What is the opinion of the 20 percent increase, as it is a stretch and slack. He doesn' t always command octavius. No. I can ' t hear you I can' t hear you I can' t hear
you. It is also not a very interesting subject. To begin with, the minimum wage of three hundred how much remained here on the border three hundred seventy- five pesos, numbers closed for two thousand twenty- four. It doesn' t reach three hundred seventy- five pesos. At the border, that city is not enough, at least Tijuana is very expensive, so it does not reach three hundred seventy- five pesos. It' s my edition. The truth is of old, because I don' t know a salary
that really, maybe it' s a minimum index to cover. But in ra, the truth I insist is that it' s a so- called minimum wage, because it doesn' t really cover the need is that it says the law that yes I insist remember that we love to cheat, we love it. I do not know why, then it is that the minimum wage reaches for the subsistence of the worker and his family to dress food. Everything does not reach three hundred seventy- five pesos. That' s not
true. If it really is an increase to the minimum wage, it should be at least double that much. The problem is the pernicious effect that there would be on employment as well as on costs as on prices, as no more so increase does not say greetings. I was already here. I' m reading the questions. So, if so the protocol yes, yes, ah, well, or I start looking for a second job until one or third of the weekend. The weekend is likely to be so and above all
some, for example, the construction sector. So, that and advisor, a construction company and man. That doesn' t waste anything, eh nothing. Every day he punishes my client for two or three days and you know them that they went to the next one. There, to the next construction. Then, then to work those two days that are punished. On this side I raise the minimum wage thirty aguinaldo what they say, this what I told you the paternity leave do you and Favou, among others. It'
s more. We' re already making sure I have to pay him because his head hurts. Just as we go, hey, Skipper, I' ll give my head. The law says I have a day' s work left because I have a headache and I have to pay for it, because there you go. We cannot be so cynical in the case of the legislator and so loose in this the truth, that is, it is not that way, because I insist, the economy rules wherever it is not and this has an economic effect. They' re not gonna put up with my pynes.
That' s right. Thank you, excellent. What a teacher and thank you. Thank you. While we are looking at these questions and they are, I can open the discussion. Right now, the panelists. Someone was there, or you wanted to comment, notice that yes, if you can and if I may, Gilberto and say hello to my sensei, Dr Carvajal, you saw Carbadillo, Hector and especially Enrique. That' s where
you greet everyone. Notice that I differ a little from what you were talking about and that' s part of what I' m interested in discussing. First, because a reform of the reduction of working hours, if we review
the data of the INEGI. As for unemployment in Mexico, we are at a stage in which there is no unemployment, that is, unemployment is very small and there is a reduction in working hours in the way in which the reform designed by Congresswoman Terrazas, who is from Ciudad Juárez, who collapsed several maquiladoras in Matamoros, one of them fox Con, and who also collapsed in Ciudad Juárez some of the companies where her vision is the maquiladora and manufacturing industry
of export services, where she is trying to bring that reform, because it is limited to that segment or to that sector, because if you go to the one that is ninety- eight percent of the economy, which is the trade, service and tourism sector. That sector or, that good segment is sixty- three percent and sixty- three percent of the Pip ninety- eight percent of that sixty- three are micro- small and medium- sized enterprises.
In the case of micro, small and medium- sized enterprises, the majority are family In this respect, that segment of the trade is the one that has a laundry, a hardware store, a dry cleaner, a tortilería, a law firm or services such as that of Héctor Castro, a school like the one that has the carballido view, that is that segment. That
one is very representative. Obviously, they are not the big entrepreneurs who have one hundred or two hundred or three hundred or five hundred thousand jobs, such as social insurance, which is the main employer in Mexico, is the largest employer in Mexico. So that segment, which is a family business, would have a direct impact because, indeed, that kind of business and here asks
the carballido view if they can not open their school. Or ask someone who has a hardware if they can not open on Saturday, because the reform reduction was approved and there is tobacco because we are going to be more productive. There are sectors of the economy that cannot be more productive with a reduction of the day, because they have to open the shops And these shops, being open, that is, if they close, they do not become more productive.
These are shops that provide a service to the public. Another sector that has a major problem is tourism, the tourism sector. There is a great situation on the issue of generation of people who participate in that segment working in that tourism sector, which obviously are not at that disposal of the reduction of
labor cones. Now, what I have seen is that we always compare it with the data given by the ITU International Labour Organization, and they tell us about several countries that have implemented this day, this reduction of work schedule, that those countries are not of First World, but they also compare us with those of the First World, where they say well, in such a country there is a reduced day, that is, there is also all that comparative.
The implementation of such reforms has always been gradual. Now what happens hill or what I' m talking about here for everyone and it' s an opinion, it' s a personal opinion. It is that the reform proposal in the process would have to be evaluated, because the vision we have is
as if we were all maquila. And in Mexico, because the maquila are two thousand companies that do have an important economic movement, but it is not really the totality of the companies that exist in Mexico, at least those that I ubic that are maquiladoras and that are certified, that are even less.
Then it gives me the impression that we do have to make a more conscious assessment, both because we may not have enough staff to be able to open those days one and two, also because it will have a direct impact on that segment, which is the one that does move the economy. Perhaps it is not the big tax payers, but in proportion to the gross domestic product it is the ones that move the country. All the little ones are less than the big ones. If we are the ones that generate economy. I
mean, there' d be a direct impact by now. This considering the reform of dignified vacations, which, of course, already generates a benefit to our collaborators, but that also implies us to have more investment, because the client wants to be cared for and not the client does not expect to return
from vacation. The consultant, the consultant who opens the chamba, the client wants to be taken care of. So now additional To that I would also say agile from a point of view this, from my point of view, that this reform has to come along with other ingredients. What ingredients. Fifty percent if out of every hundred pesos you pay an employee, fifty pesos more are taxes and sr was taxes we paid the employee and the employer, i
e, don' t think employees don' t pay taxes. You gentlemen, you think you earn ten zero pesos because that' s what you' re deposited with. That' s not true. You earn fourteen zero pesos or fifteen thousand pesos, but the rest is what social insurance, INFORNAVIB,
income tax and other contributions are paid. So, if we really thought about a reform where productivity would be reduced and improved and reform that would generate more formal employment, the first thing we would have to think about is how the government, the state, makes its budget more efficient and generates a reduction or stimulus and a job prize. In Mexico, employment is punished In Mexico, payroll if you know, is possible up to fifty- three or fifty-
four percent. Payroll is our main working capital. It would have to be a hundred percent. Deductibility is up. The subsidy tables have not been updated.
They' re not up- to- date. So, if you see in the income law of the Federation, because you see that there is going to be an increase in revenue, of course you will see it, because now I am going to go into the other issue, that is the reduction of the day, that I agree that our collaborators and on TVs, if it is not daniel that is, we take vacations, we try to give time, that is, people work on how officient people are happy.
There is not so much, we don' t have so much rotation, but we do have to think in a conscious way about how a reform is going to be implemented that is based on an analysis, of a study, of an international organization of work that has a different purpose. So it is productive or not productive to people. And there' s a situation there, too. Yes, it is true that the employee is going to look for another chamba, that is, the fact that he wants to justify himself as
having more time for quality of life to be with his family. Son, there are no studies that say that they are not looking for another chamba, so what do you have to do, then, improve your income so that
you have a single chamba and have time to be with your family. I was involved in Konasami as part of the representation of the business sector in the twenty percent increase that has just been given to participate within the meeting at midnight, we were signing the agreement that was made with the intention of continuing to increase proportionally the income that the workers have. And we saw it well that
it was twenty percent could be more. But I also raised and continue to raise it in that forum, with the Secretary and the members of the Committee being present, which had to be reviewed, because the increase may be more. This Enrique Gil and Doctor Carvajal, if we give it fifty- five percent in contributions, in taxes that have to return us in services, because those taxes and that we cover is to give us services, then not good.
If we are to make an effort to make our collaborators have a better income, then the effort has to be two- way, not just on the side of the worker and the employer, but also of the collector.
And that' s where it has to be reviewed that, for example, the GIL payroll has been deductible to 100%, that, for example, the quotas are reduced and you have and you give formal work, because you pay a little less social insurance contribution, the infonavita to SATH because it will allow you to hire more staff or transfer it to a direct benefit to your worker. That, that' s a reality. In fact, it is
something that I am putting forward to this day. Gilli, who would like everyone to help me because obviously, because nobody gets to see, because I see that twenty mines earn twenty eight thousand pesos. What happens is that the other eight don' t see them because the other eight. Anyway, we have to pay for them by the worker and the employer. So what' s going to generate this. This is going to give rise to two situations.
Informality in Mexico is more than fifty- seven percent plus numbers less. Informality is ambulantism and the grey market. Yeah, that informality doesn' t contribute to public spending. It doesn' t contribute taxes, it doesn' t generate tax returns, it doesn' t have an a. The best has an RFC, but it doesn' t. He doesn' t have a tax address. He doesn' t pay, he doesn' t make
his monthly statements, he doesn' t make his annual statement. He doesn ' t pay social security, he doesn' t pay infonavit, that is, he doesn' t generate. Yes, of course it generates quotas for municipal presidencies because they give them permits and licenses to get on the street, but neither do they pay liability insurance, firefighters, police, operating notices, predial licenses don' t carry that either. There is a symmetry between the
formal established sector and the grey and informal market sector. What happens when you keep increasing in this way without reducing something that is obvious to everyone, that is, to tell us that there was no tax increase, because it is also a fantasy, because at the time of raising wages, there is an immediate increase in income tax. Or it is not true that there is an increase because the base is modified. So it seems to me that there are
basically three fundamental aspects that need to be reconsidered. The 100% deductibility of the payroll, which is our capital and we cannot be told that we are inventing it so much because there is materiality, because the worker exists, because he provides the service. That I don' t understand why it' s never been given 100 percent productivity to the payroll, I mean, it' s incongruous and I don' t see a lot of people saying that that
also catches my attention from accountants. That is how one two is the reduction and we did it, the planning, we say it clearly, we say it in quite a few forums. The reduction and the prize that can be given to the one who generates the formal job established, the one that does contribute the one, instead of seeing how. I mean, because here' s a topic that we all have to understand, too. People aren'
t going to close, they' re not going to stop selling. People are going to say you know what I do to you and I' m going to make you recycle and I' m going to pay you off and s the crime. That' s violence. That' s why this will I' m going to take it all away from you is that it' make the worker recycling the crime. You have to be careful. I mean, I' m not saying in agile counseling. The one out there, who' s giving, one who' s doing an act of trade,
is going to look for the agile way to keep working. And many of them will end up going to ambulantism or informality or paying, in cash, because it is also a crime not to pay taxes. And fifty- seven percent of Mexicans who do business don' t pay for it. And it ' s also a gil crime, because it' s also a crime not to contribute to public spending. And so I got involved here I don' t know if it' s a forum where we' re going to ask questions or it' s a forum where we' re all going to participate.
I' m already confused. No forgiveness, it was merely a related opinion. I' m not sorry I got together I think it was a forum where several. There are several colleagues that I suggested multidisciplinary and each of those, from their perspective, will give what is their opinion on precisely this issue that of the work meeting, which is the work on the octavio side, that it does not pay fifty- seven percent. There too, if I disagree with you, I' ll tell you why they don' t
pay income tax. That' s why I have always existed. I do not mess with economists, because they are experts in economics, we read and everything, but they are the expert sociologists, psychologists in the case, in the case of taxes, because more than thirty years in matter, in that area. Well, they give that authority to study and further study those issues. If there is one there there is a mistake in making those demonstrations that
fifty- seven percent of the economy does not pay taxes. What he doesn ' t pay is that I don' t know if anyone' s going to put, I don' t know sorry and I already got dizzy here. In the end we normally open up as the participation of the panelists, because if they want to make a comment for that to ok yes, yes, general wins the protocol because they make me dizzy someone was going to expose
there, but I don' t know good. I was involved Hill and generally, in the end we ask questions and answers that Dani and everyone who participated, that we are accompanying you here because there are more people who are seeing you and are broadcasting on social networks live, we make comments, in my case, obviously, because it is a comment that wanted to come to add the great presentation that you made and thank you, of course, as
always the one that you are always looking at and always are attentive to any situation of these. I don' t know if any of the panelists here Hill wants to make a ritual comment, Doctor Maximo Carvajal, Héctor Toño, none, Enrique, none, because Dani I believe none of the panelists wanted
to be comment anymore. And thank you very much indeed Phill for this Portugal, i e part, do not end ah sorry forward that weird good, ok pay back nothing else to make the precision, fifty- seven percent of the informality that, in fact, that cup of the PEA does not pay income taxes. But if you pay taxes when you go to consumption, for example, you pay the value added tax. When you go and buy products, items that cover the libano, if you have cart, then YEBS pays.
And when he consumes gasoline, even the one that doesn' t have a car, when in the fare of the public transport, then he pays the JEBS, because there they are giving it to him. If it doesn ' t have to be demonized. I am also not aware of the idea of informality, but to say quite clearly that they do not pay taxes.
Yeah, I' d like no more to make that clarification. They do not pay income taxes because they are not controlled, but they do pay the rest, the rest, at least of the feds, the consumption, they mostly, for example, there is an 8 percent tax on the consumption of what we call junk food, for example. That' s where they pay when they consume the coke, when they consume the chips, when we consume not until I put in yes, yes, yes, they pay. I
say no more to make that precision, Don Octavio. On the other hand, and you touched on a very interesting point in labor matters. The new labor prosecutor, if I may say well, is that the workers were disguised as recico and I didn' t do it anymore. You have to be very careful there, because that one I don' t recommend? I don ' t recommend it. It is a crime, already the sat brings them into the eye and then it will enter into a great, in a serious
problem, a taxpayer of that nature. Now, yes, it' s all my participation. I swear, I swear for nothing, and the truth is, we really appreciate your participation. I do not think we have said anything and I think it is important to mention that here it is not a recommendation to be made reciprocated, but that there are some comments that we have
heard from the entrepreneurs with whom we have discussed how you externalized it. At first, we are all concerned, especially not to generate unemployment, so as not to generate that, that is, we stop contributing, that there is more informality, that is. I think a lot of people here were staring at him and you said it all this time. Actually, as entrepreneurs, we do care about the entire work team. But it is also right now, because we have to think about how to survive business in that sense.
And well, the truth is that very interesting your talk here asked us how they can see again, obviously on YouTube they can see it again that it is very interesting. And, well, here elisabe is also commenting on the
companies. We have to put our voices together and ask their cameras to be well represented and win and win, that is to say, to seek a winner and to change the mentality of a working employer, because sometimes it is not only the workers who are wrong in the working culture in the day to day, because I believe that in this part. Yes, it is important, as they say, to voice and, above all, to think that we have a better Mexico. Master Gil thank you so much for all your
contributions. I send you a strong hug and good from the whole team of tels magas in Mexico that we arrive to a tque we want to give this virtual recognition to Maestro Gilberto Martínez for azun truck in the ritual talk. With the theme the reduction of the working day, on December 6 of the two thousand twenty- three, signed by the Rector Fede de la Torre, his master servant. Thank you very much, as always, for being open to
these discussions of topics such as the reduction of Laura' s journey. Thanks to you all a hug and merry Christmas and you' re Christmas. Thank you China, or if I hug everyone very fondly And well, next week we are already closing this year' s barter in Gresamos on the 11th with the resolution of international business and political conflicts by Master Armando Ortega, and on
the 13th we are going to make our annual and traditional Christmas toast. Let ' s discuss the most outstanding twenty- three and prepare for twenty- four, in which obviously Dr. Maximo Carvajal, Alejandro Andrade, Adrián González And, well, obviously many of the panelists who are always participating with the intention of discussing how we see the two thousand twenty- four for foreign customs trade on the fiscal issue Many thanks to everyone and thanks for being here in the
barter we see next week and have a nice weekend. Thank you, Master, Thank you, Thank you, Daniela, Thank you learned, very great, ay doctor, ay congratulations. Silvar to do a hug very affectionate view, you are already going to pass for people to Donald already reduced it,
because they did to see who happened, what happened. Sixty of a hundred tummy, but good is that it is that no one managed to have the eight five then hears, doing little orthodoxy of the laws and regulations, lowered it to six of a pen, of a pen and to six must have passed about twenty. The test was very poorly calibrated, with very ambiguous questions and I think that' s why I' m almost sure that nobody reached eighty- five because it was a hundred questions and alone and they had to
answer correctly eighty- five. Dr Cimbo, there was someone who passed it suspiciously or luckily, and I want to make a comment about this doctor.
I decided and even sent a message to someone in the nam not to participate in the examination when the invitation came to me and I saw that it was going to be by heart, because I respect too much the activity of linked with the right to money, with foreign trade, with merciology, and I have the full knowledge that the people who must be participating as abanal agents are not those who know themselves as a perico, something that they will not be
able to know, because they will not be able to know, but those who know. How to interpret, how to read those who have integrity who know how to carry this wonderful matter. So yes, I sent a message saying thank you very much, and I even had a medical situation that prevented me from participating as well. But it was also my message not to lend oneself something that is one. It' s something that' s incredible. It' s amazing. I can guarantee you Octavio that neither Enrique, nor
Maximus, nor Antonio, nor Hector nor Daniela would have passed sexamen. I can guarantee it. Yeah, it' s not him. How can they ask you about the peaceful trans, the Treaty, what article does x thing, an article of an international treaty, an article is impossible. I believe that neither those who made that treaty nor those who made the temex can know
every article per article. Look at me I would like and I would be like someone I would like academically because apart, they have to be preparing for the same exam to be given to all those currently working in Anam, all in the same superior proportunity. But it allows us to close the door that allows us to do not as an alliance the pa maybe, we change the question, we will grab another, the CPTPP. No. But yes, equal and I am sure with all respect, that very few would pass,
very few, even none can. That is because apart it requires the one engaged in merciology has a special capacity. The treaty- goer has another one. The one who knows the procedure of nueudo with us, the one who documents with us, the one who can be an agent to Banal, must know them all, but in turn has or is good in the end of here they say they agree. To our friends, no, but that'
s what I' m telling you. When asking these kinds of questions it was reflected precisely in what you say and I respect your opinion, which happened some, but to those some that must have been very little and that the truth I doubt that someone approved it. They' re supposed to have, because some people came out of there who are famous, and they saw them and they said they passed. I don' t know the results. No,
well, he says they did. I' m totaling it, but let' s just leave it to you that it happened a little bit. It is a reprobation of the test itself, which a few little ones had more than eight five. That' s why they were reduced not by little sisters of charity and for having this one more. And in six we' re going to see if they got to the hundred I' m going to tell the hundred that they' re supposed to give patents or see if there ' s a hundred with sixty points of the test. There were five hundred
patents they wanted to give. So no. I think they' ll reach five hundred candidates. It was not the ones who filed n number five hundred patents that they wanted to give. But on the other hand, the tester showed a frank knowledge of what the activity that carries out an anal, that is, has no idea. That' s what I' m saying.
It was with all intent that it would not happen to anyone. But anyway, look what' s to see is how we help the National Customs Agency get proscription, because if they ask for that out, they have to have it inside. So I think we need to see how we help them to improve their capabilities too, which I' m sure many of us here would, because many times too, if we don' t have enough capacity, it generates losses, generates us over time, generates costs, generates fines,
generates inconveniences. Then see how. I think all the doctors help. We have to put a new ca and a new matter. Doctor at UNAM will have to stay and offer to some graduates, some specialties, even if it is free in the spirit of what you say that it can be dignified and that they can know so that, then, they do not incur deficiencies. If I would be happy, I' m glad what I know without charging anything, I think everyone barter would do it because our best investment is them,
because that' s where we have. The best investment we can make is in that obstacle that exists due not to a bad intention, a lack of knowledge, possibly of the matter. Then you have to see doctor, you have to look for how we help you improve your abilities, because we would be well placed to do so, because we are already several agreements see goodbye. We' ve reached the end of today' s TRUK. Thank you so much for joining us. This was a barter via som a telc
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