Hey, Gravy's, thanks so much for joining us this week for another episode of Great Girls Podcast. As always, it's me or host Hawthorn and Hazel. This week we're attempting another minisode, so it's going to be pretty short obviously. It's what minisod means mini episode. Our movie this week was The Turning. It came out in January of this year. It's really stupid, Hazel, what did you think of the movie? Without giving anything away and not reading it yet, what do you think about it? What are your
thoughts? I would not see it again or buy it. It was not good, and if the second one comes out, I would wait until red Box or Netflix. I agree. It was almost as bad as our second episode. That movie caught that weird British horror movie we watched. It just wasn't a good movie. It kept all almost getting there. Yeah, like you just kept waiting, like okay, maybe this is just a really long movie that took a long time to get off the ground, and it just
never really took off. It was two hours too long. The ending was stupid. Oh yeah, really dumb. I don't like when I have to go online to read about what did this movie tell me so since the movie was so bad, we're not even going to go over it. We spoke for like probably the last forty five minutes trying to pick favorite parts of the movie because we didn't have really fair parts. But we did decide and honestly, if you just watch a few trailers, that was scarier than the whole
movie. Yep, they made it better than it. The movie was, for sure. I'm just gonna read the synopsis from Google because they I guess they'll explain it better than we could. Kate Mandel takes a job as a nanny for two young orphans at an isolated Gothic mansion in the main countryside. She soon learns that the children, Miles and Flora, are emotionally distant and unstable. When strange events start to play Kate and the siblings, she begins
to suspect that the estates dark corridors are home to a malevolent entity. No Dune. So, if we have to say it, the movie starts out with a woman like running for her life and we find out that's the old nanny, and you see her attempts to open the big you know, the gates at the edge of a mansion like they always have, and before she can do it, man comes up and tacks her and spoiler alert because this movie sucks and we don't care. It's the groundskeeper named Quint, and he
becomes obsessed with Miss Jessel. He takes pictures over while she sleeps, makes unwanted compliments, and advances to her, and he eventually rapes her, strangles her to death, and hides her body in the pond on the property, hoping it would never be found. Miss Gross the like chef in a way I don't know, because she's not the nanny. She does everything the housekeeper, I guess. Yeah. She kills Quint after finding out what he did
to Miss Jessel, and that's where Kate comes in. Now she has to watch the seven year old girl named Flora, and she's super cute, but you can tell some things are wrong with her. And then the house is basically haunted by Quint, who's the evil demon, and Jessel, who's a good ghost, but she just wants her body found so she can be laid to rest. And Miles it kind of seems that he's possessed by mister Quint. Yeah, there's certain parts in the movie where it kind of fades into
Quint into Miles. Yeah, like he starts treating Yeah, like, if anything, that's what I think is the turning. Yeah, but he starts to look at Kate while she undresses. While she's sleeping, he calls her sexy, just really inappropriate things. And Miss Jessel's ghost is protecting Flora from leaving the property, Like, yes, she's protecting her, but she's also kind of hindering her from getting over her parents' death. The movie's really flattened,
boring. There's like maybe two or three jump scares, but they're not even that good. Hawthorn, What was your favorite part if I had to pick one, because I really didn't want to because this movie is so stupid.
When Miles comes from from boarding school, we find out he is home from boarding school because he tried to strangle another student, just like Quint strangled Miss Jessel, And when she starts to try to discipline him, he and Flora start pulling pranks on Kate. And one of the pranks they pull is they get like this really creepy looking mannequin and they throw it in not the quipond, but another pond they have on the property and when eight looks out
the window, she thinks that the mannequin because it has dark brown hair, it's in like a white dress. She thinks it's the seven year old Flora drowning. So she runs out of the house and her like nightgown. It's freezing, you know, this is main so you know, it's fucking cold, and she dives in the water. And this is probably the only part that I did, Like, that's why I'm mentioning it. The mannequin actually
kind of comes alive and like tries to like touch her. She screams, and then when she realizes it, or when she looks at it again, she realizes it's just the mannequin, but it definitely moved. She comes up out of the water, you know, gasping for air. She was just scared into the water, probably swallowed some growth, yea. And the kids are just laughing at her, and she's like, what the fuck. I know your parents are dead, but that doesn't give you the rid to treat
me bad, you know, it doesn't let you be monsters. And it's also weird too, because missus Gross has been with the family for like her whole fucking life, but she doesn't discipline the children at all at all. I hated that and then tells her not to do it. I'm like serious, So that was my favorite part of the movie. So, Hazel, what was your favorite part if you had to pick one of the movie. The Turning. Okay, Miles, Flora, and Kate are all walking by
a Koi pond. They see a fish out of the water, which is Flora's favorite fish, and a crow looks like it's eating it. Once they walk by, Miles stumps in the fish's head and We're like, damn like that And he was right in front of his sister and like, that's your favorite fish. He was just insensitive about it. Yeah. Kate's like Miles, like are you serious. He's like, no one should have to suffer
through that, through pain. And I wonder if he's saying that because is he possessed by quint who you know, maybe he hurt miss Jessel so bad that he had to end her life to stop suffering, or if this kid is just you know, the beginning of like a serial killer or something. You know, one of the first signs is torturing animals. And I mean he didn't torture it, but like that is weird to see a child do
that, you know, it's like he had saw it before before. So the movie continues with all this weird stuff like you see ghosts blah blah blah blah blah. So we're just gonna skip to the end, which actually was the only part we liked. But we can't pick the end as our favorite, even though we loved when it's over. So it's really weird because stuff only happens at night, and she tries to sleep with the lights on. Miles even comments like the light's not going to save you, hinting that he
has seen the ghosts too. Kate decides to adventure through the part of the house that no one wanted to go on too. And this is a weird part because like we see a ghost rape. You don't actually see any rape, but you can like hear it and like see the bed move and stuff. But then you do see miss Jessel get killed. And then when she turns around, Miles is there and he's like you shouldn't be in here, and she's like what, and then all of a sudden, Quint tries to
kill her and then she runs away. Missus Gross is there. She's like what the fuck is wrong with you? So Kate gets a package in the mail and it's from her mom, who is like mentally ill, and what does missus gross or it's like hella bitchy. Yeah, she's like, hopefully it's not genetic. And I also don't like we didn't really get to see the painting that her mom sent her. That really pissed me off. That could have tied everything in. Yeah, so you see what I just said.
And then you see Quint throw missus Gross off of the stairs and kills her, and then she gets Miles and Flora into the car and tries to leave. So that's what you think it ends. And you're like, okay, decent ending whatever. But then all of a sudden, you're taken right back to the moment that Hazel just said, with miss Gross commenting about her
mother's mental illness, but you don't hear the words this time. Instead, you see Kate hear the children talking about her saying she's crazy, and it offends her, doesn't She run in and she's like, I'm not crazy. Yeah, And then Kate accidentally breaks Flora's like favorite toy, and then Miles says, you're delusional. And then this was the weirdest part. We don't know how she got there, but Kate is all of a sudden at her
mom's mental institution and approach to someone who we guess as her mom. You don't get to see their face, and when the figure does turn around, they don't show the face, like I just said, and then Kate screams, and that's the end of the movie. It didn't make any sense and we didn't like it. Yeah, so why do you write the movie out of five? I rate it a two? How could it have been better? They could have made some kind of concept. They should have tied something
up. I understand that they want to impossible simply make a second one, and that second one can tie everything up. But the movie was like two hours long. They didn't tie anything up at all. They left you guessing about every part that happened. What about you, paulth Thorne, who do you write it? I'm going to write it a one, and that's probably the worst writing I've ever given a movie on this whole show. I don't like movies that you have to like do research to see. I'm watching a
movie and it should be clear. I understand going online to get little tidbits. It's like confirmation. But we had to do a lot to even understand what was happening. And I wish they would have chosen mental illness or ghosts, because obviously there was fucking ghosts. There's no question about that. Yeah, for sure ghosts. So the fact that they tried to end it being like, nope, she's just crazy, that doesn't work. It doesn't work
at all because they barely explained the mom. They didn't show the paintings the ending. Why they show the mom's face? Was she scary? Was the mom dead? Did she cut her face off? Was it her own face? Was it missjustle space? Like? Too many questions at the end, And I don't like that kind of stuff. I understand that then you want a cliffhanger for a second, but I don't like when nothing is clear. The whole movie is a cliffhanger. It doesn't go together well, it's not
cohesive. Honestly, the ghost we'ren'ting that well done, especially being in like a twenty twenty movie like come On to step your shit up, And I honestly don't really recommend it. Maybe if you're bored and you want to run on a red box. Sure, but don't see it in theaters, you guys, and do not go on a date and watch this because they will break up with you. Right there. We're now to the best part of our show, where we link a real life crime and a real life survival
story to the movie in a creative way. So Hazel, would you like to go first? Yes, all right, I'm so excited. Here we go for this Survived story is from YouTube. It is just show I Survived. However, Netflix or Hulu does not have all of the episodes on there. It is season five, episode twenty one, but you can't go to YouTube. And I'll even tweet it, so if you want the link,
it'll be on my Twitter or on our Facebook. In March of nineteen ninety three, in Central Africa, Ken the project manager and Sandy was a nanny and tutor of two daughters about four and eight of environmental researchers. Sandy, Ken and the two kids were bathing in a river. Ken and the two kids are heading back up. Sandy goes back into the water to rinse her hair out. She fills a heavy, large blunt object of some kind smashed
up against her. She knows right away it's a crocodile. She didn't feel it bite her, just felt like it bumped into her, you know. But she did have a feeling it was a crocodile. It was a fourteen foot crocodile. Oh my god, how are they bathing in the river though they didn't have any showers? Okay, yeah, just was wondering, was okay, Oh yeah, they didn't have any showers where they were at where she was tutoring the kids. Because I thought the same thing, like,
and they got the kids. I don't know. Rivers are very dangerous and I'm a little scary, so I definitely would not be doing that. The crocodile pulls her under the water. It was trying to drown her. It grabbed her left forearm. Ken still doesn't know she's under the water because he's taking care of the kids. The first thing she thought about was the kids. If there was a whole pack of crocodiles, they would all be done. She was able to put her mouth over the water and say crocodile.
Ken turns around, thinking she's joking. She's like, I'm not. She goes back under the water. Crocodiles will do a death roll and tear off any arm or like to get flesh from their praise body. Sandy was able to be about waste up in the water. She grabs the snout of the crocodile and yells, see it's a crocodile. Kenn' is like, oh shit. Instead of running away with the kids to get help, he runs towards her to help Sandy. He's thinking he can just grab her out of the
water and then it's over. He ends up grabbing the snout of the crocodile. I would have shipped right there. M He's punching him in the neck, trying to poke his eyes out, doing anything to irritate the crocodile to let go of Sandy. Nothing is working. He didn't want to pull her because he didn't want to rip her arm off. Rip my arm off, dude, I don't go fuck dude. And I was thinking that too, like I could have ripped your arm off, pulled you up, and then
we would have dipped. Ken takes a step back and doesn't know what to do. He lets Sandy go. The crocodile tries to do another role again with Sandy. The crocodile repeatedly does his death roll, dragging her under water, each time, going further and deeper in the water. Sandy is doing a tuck and roll wherever the crocodiles spins her. She's going with it. She's like, I'm not giving up. Before each role, a crocodile will try to drown its prey each time. Each time, she was able to
breathe and hold her breath. But the crocodile started doing it more than five times, and she was not able to hold her breath as much as she was able to do earlier. Each time it stops spinning, Ken would grab her and try to help her breathe. It was as much as over twelve rolls, and she was thinking to herself, I'm not gonna be able to survive this. I would have drowned. I cannot hold my breath for long. I think about that too. For twenty five minute, Sandy and Ken
tried to maneuver the crocodile to the shallow or water. The crocodile kept trying to keep them go deeper. At this point, the water is up to Ken's neck. He keeps trying to pull her out. He sees that she's getting weaker. He sees that it's getting harder for her to breathe. Ken is looking at Sandy, not sure what to do. The girls are at the river bank watching this happen. Daylight is disappearing rapidly. Ken was having trouble finding her. Sandy throws herself up, tries to grab Ken. He
grabs her. She gets one good breath, then the crocodile grabs her again, does his death roll spin makes Sandy hit some wood. The wood splits. The crocodile spins her again, makes her hit her back in the wood. The crocodile shows no sign of giving up. It hits sand. Finally, Sandy is thinking, cool, this is my element. I'm able to breathe. The crocodile rolls again one more time. She's on top. She looks at Kennon is like, this is it. He pulls her out of
the water and it clicks in both of their heads. Her arm was off. Sandy looks at the crocodile. It swallows her arm. Hohle swings right back into the water. Damn. I was like, this is mine, and I was thinking what was she going to do? Go back and get her arm? I'd be like keep it. Sandy says, there's a chance that the crocodile can come back. They are out of the water, Ken seize her other arm. Her elbow is barely intact, so it got both of her arms, both of her arms. Oh my god. They only
thought it was the one. But he's like it was her a gentleman, you know, So why he takes his shirt off, ties it around her elbow and arms so she doesn't bleed to death. They both climbed a steep hill from the river to the car. They drove to a nurse that was in the village. The nurse wasn't able to do a lot but give her antibiotics. They leave and go straight to the hospital. It's dark outside. It's very endangerous to drive at night. A lot of animals can attack.
It took three hours. Sandy said that she didn't feel pain until the adrenaline went away. She was in a scruciating pain when they reached the hospital. They had to ampitate her arm. Sandy insist on going to a restaurant, and she asked for crocodile, and she wanted a whole arm. She just wanted it was like her payback, like the collidl ate mine, I'm going to eat his literally an arm for an armed situation. Yeah, that was good. She got to go back to the US for a year for surgeries
and to recuperate. After she decides to go back to Africa to do the same job. Her employers built a shower so she didn't have to bathe in the river. She survived because she didn't quit. I linked that this case because Kate was a nannie trying to She promised Flora she wouldn't she wouldn't quit when it leaves. She was trying to also save her life too, And in my case, she was a nannie also trying to fight for her life
as well. And she went in the water and the crocodile attacked her, and then in the movie like she jumped in the water after the mannequin and it like Loki tried to attack her. Okay, So I was thinking, what if that was like Quinn's spirit there was water. Yes, that's exactly what I was thinking. Okay, Hawthorne, please tell us your story. The murder I will be sharing this week is the murder of Julie Riley.
Julie Riley was a forty seven year old woman who needed help with activities of daily life due to a brain injury she suffered from her injury hindered her ability to make decisions, as well as no one who to trust. She thought that everyone was her friend. One day, she met a man named Andrew Wallace around December twenty seventeen. He told her a sob story about how he
had recently had his heartbroken by a sex girlfriend. That they just broke up, and Wallace and Julie came to an agreement that he would move into her house and help take care of her, but in reality, Andrew was just looking for someone to take advantage of. The last time Julie was seen alive was on February sixth, two thousand eight, at a store on the security
footage. Wallace is seen in the video with her. When Julie failed to show up to her appointments, her family reported her missing February fifteenth, twenty eighteen. So she didn't even know this guy like two months until he decided to kill her. That's crazy. The exact date of her death isn't clear,
but this is what happened. In early February of twenty eighteen. Julie had asked Wallace to leave her home, and she was so afraid of him that she tried to protect herself with a knife and told him leave my home. But Wallace easily took the knife from Julie and stabbed her in the chest. After he killed Julie, he cut off her legs with a knife and dismembered the rest of her body. He placed the pieces of her body in plastic bags and then put those in two big suitcases. In the days after
the murder, Wallace attempted to get away with the crime. He asked his friends if you could store the suitcases in their homes, and had many different stories for what these suitcases were. He told one friend flat out, I need help getting rid of a body. He told another one, I got kicked out by Julie, and this is all my dirty laundry. I'm guessing he said that due to the smell of the decomposition. He also told someone that he had hit a deer and placed the meat into the suitcases, and
he wanted to sell the meat. Once he couldn't find someone to take the suitcases for him, he decided to bury the evidence. He buried her legs in a nearby garden and the two suitcases in a different location. Then he began to clean up Julie's apartment. Wallace thought that he had gotten away with murder. That was until April nineteenth, twenty eighteen, when a passer by saw a leg bone with flesh on it, sticking out of a garden.
The police arrived to investigate. Upon checking their files, they realized how close the location of the severed leg was to an existing missing person's residence, Julie Riley. Wallace tried to lie about his involvement. He told police that Julie had just moved into a new home, but that didn't make sense to anyone. Julie needed help and wouldn't be able to just move, and she wouldn't move without telling her family and friends. The police arrested Andrew Wallace. He
had a previous murder on his record. When he was just fifteen years old, he stabbed fifty one year old Caroline Packard to death, and he served twenty eight years for the murder. Now, about forty three years old, here he is again stabbing an innocent woman to death. The police examined Julie's home and found traces of blood everywhere. It was in the hallway, in
the kitchen, the bedrooms, and the living room. On February eighth, twenty nineteen, about one year exactly from the day that he murdered Julie Riley, Andrew Wallace was sentenced to life imprisonment with twenty eight years minimum due to pleading guilty. At first, Julie's legs were the only part of her body that they had ever found, But three months into his prison sentence, Wallace
gave directions to the police to uncover the rest of Julie's remains. The police did find them, and her family was finally able to put her to rest. My sources for this case are from BBC dot com and Scotland Judiciary dot org. I chose this case because Andrew Wallace was a murderer since he was a teen, yet somehow got out and was able to kill again, and in the movie, if Miles continues down his path, he will become a
murderer like quint. I also chose it because at first Julie's legs were the only part of her body found, so her soul couldn't be laid to rest. In the movie The Turning, Miss Jessel's body was discovered at the bottom of a lake and her soul was unable to be set free. I like it. I like it a lot. So he had stabbed somebody before, and they are only giving him twenty five years minimum, twenty eight or twenty
eight years minimum, Why he's just gonna leave and do it again? If they appealed and if he got out, was just say yeah, like, if you already have one murder conviction on your record, I don't think you should be getting out. Ever. That's just me, No, I agree with you. That's why I said that. Yeah, I think that's ridiculous. So why he can You don't think he's gonna stab somebody at what seventy five eighty years old? I think we don't stop. He'll be seventy if
he can get out, I don't think he will. He got out and then killed right after. He literally just served twenty eight years and he played guilty when he was fifteen. I really think he kind of learned that I can kill someone and if I plead guilty, then I'll get twenty eight years, which really isn't that long. No, it's really not. Obviously he
just served it. Yeah, So yeah, that's our episode. Me and Emrellas will be doing an episode on the movie The Ruins, so definitely watch it by then, and Hazel and I will be doing The Invisible Man. Yeah, can't wait. We'll be watching it next week, so it'll probably be in about a two weeks two weeks around there, so definitely check out The Rule and The Invisible Man and we'll catch you back when we're done recording
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