THE RUINS

Hey Graves, thanks so much for joining us this week for another episode of Great Girls Podcast. As always, it's me your host Hawthorne and me your favorite host, Amarellists. We are doing the movie The Ruins. It's older movie, so if you haven't heard of it, it's okay. I actually have never met someone besides my own sister Amarellists who've watched it. Hey Graves, By the way, while recording this, it was really early. It

was like six am. We'd just woken up after Hawthorne's kid was up all night with a fever, and I had just worked seven days in a row, like retired. So during the movie until about halfway through, we accidentally switched the names of the two male characters. So every time we say Eric, we met Jeff, and every time we Jeff, we met Eric, until about halfway through, when we will correct ourselves and start going by the

correct names. Yes, we do have it announced in the episode. When we do realize the mistake, we do apologize, but we hope you enjoyed the episode anyways, tell them what you think about the movie and then we'll get into it. I think it's pretty dope. I really liked it. The first time I saw it, there was some moments I'm like, I remember that part and we'll get to those. Of course. Rewatching it, it's not as scary as when I first saw it. It's cringey, but

not in like a oh that's cringe. It's cringey because like, you see some glory shit and I'm just like, I do think that it's really realistically done. Oh yeah, all that shit could happen. The characters in the movie, they really like get into their role. So one of the characters is a med student. He's trying to take control of situation. I'm responsible,

I'm the med student. Blah blah blah. His friends like the happy go lucky type where it's like, dude, like, we just gotta see what happens, like waited out a little bit, don't act so irrational. There's like the hippie, which is the one she just said. There's the like med student who's supposed to be like responsible moment. Yeah, there's the like nerdy girl who just wants to take pictures of everything and like, oh my god, I'm scared. I'm scared to do this and I don't want

to do anything. Oh my god. She was so annoying with that camera, but she's like secretly a hoe. She's kind of a hoe. And then there's the blonde, who is just kind of token blonde, dumb and crazy. That's her character. We're not saying that about blondes. I'm married to a blonde. I just died my hand, blond. Oh. And then there's also a really hot German man. Yes, there is a very hot German guy. I don't know if he's German in real life, but

he's still hot his fucking real life. Love him, all right. So now we're gonna get in the movie The Ruins and start this awesome episode. Here we go. WHOA, that's good. The Ruins is a horror movie about four friends who go on a trip to Mexico and meet a German dude named Matthias. He tells them about some ancient ruins his brother has discovered,

and he invites them to explore the ruins. Once they're the locals attack them, forcing the group to seek refuge on the ancient ruins, where they discover that once you touch these ruins, your life is ruined. If it's not puns, it's not us. So I'll hope you enjoyed that little one again. We're gonna go over the characters in case you just didn't catch it or something. But there's Amy, the camera photographer girl. There's her boyfriend Eric,

the med student, and then the blonde girl's name is Stacy. Her mom is probably hot. Stacy's mom has got a colina, and her boyfriend Jeff, who's the hippie. And then Matthias is the German dude. So those are all the characters. If someone invites you to go explore ancient abandoned ruins, no one knows and isn't on any map, don't go, Yeah, I please, or like bring a satellite phone. Make sure everyone knows where you're going. Everyone brings SA tell the cops if I don't come back

in three days. This is exactly the coordinates I'm going to. Please send a huge search party. Be smart about it, please, or like leave a note. It takes twenty seconds to make a phone call. That's all I'm saying. That kind of links with my meta. Later in the episode, the beginning of the movie is born like you honestly turn it on and not watch it for like thirty minutes. Yeah, you see her cheat on the med student Eric. Everyone knows but him. But but Tyas is a

good guy. He doesn't let it go that far. Like she tries to kiss him and stuff, and he's like, whoa, what are you doing. I'm going home. That's what happens. And she would have she would have yeah, just like fucked him on the beach. Yeah all day. Yeah, she was ready. She tells her best friend Stacy's She's like, oh, don't tell him please, they don't want him get mad. She's like, what you fucking did it? Yeah, She's like, that's your

fault, which, like, I am totally not that person. Like, if one of my friends is unhappy in their relationship and they want to cheat, just break up with the person first. I just hate as a principle of my own life. I don't understand the point of cheating. If you guys are doing shit, you could have there's open relationships, there's like other ways to do it. You don't have to be shady. If there is something that happens, my accident, you don't lie about it and you tell

your friends. Don't don't tell him, don't tell him to tell him, No, you tell him, I'm sorry, I got really drunk. Yesterday again tried to kiss Mattias. Da da da da. But to me, she wasn't happy with him because you find out he's going to med school like across the country. Didn't seem like she was going with him, which also doesn't work. Please, don't follow your high school sweetheart to college. Be your own fucking person, live your own life. High school with high school

and now we're onto the real world. Hey, I will tell you, guys, my high school crush hit me up a few years ago. I went down to Vegas to see him after like talking on the phone, skyping everything for over a year, confessing feelings, and then I go down there. It's just just kidding, Like high school means fucking nothing, guys. Yeah, and I'm not knocking people who marry their high school sweethearts. Hawthorn married her like elementary school high schools we are and I guess yeah, so

it's not a bad thing. But if someone's like, oh, I'm gonna move acroast the country because this is more important to meet, let them live their life. If it's meant to be, you guys will meet again in life. That's the cool thing about life. Yes, that's why me and my husband work out. I liked him since I was eight, but he dated other chicks. I dated other guys. We were friends the whole time. Eight years later he realizes, huh, maybe I have been with the

wrong bitch and I do like Hawthorne, and now we're married. You know, we've been together twelve years. Yeah, life will bring you together with the one. It literally is, if you love them, let them go and see if they come back. Then it's like to be here. However, the saying is that I'm butchering. But yeah, so that's what happens. That's all you miss in the beginning. So if you just want to

like skip the chapter, do like twice, you'll be fine. So Matthias, he hand draws a map of the map where his brother is, which also I'm like, wouldn't the scale be off? Like that scares me? How do they even know where they're going? They don't. The whole thing made me uncomfortable. I wouldn't have done any of that. Even the cab driver is like, don't go here. That place is bad. The place is haunted, and they're like, um, here's money. Though he's like,

oh okay, you guys are gonna die. Anyways, that's just another sign if the locals are telling you do not go there. White people don't do it. Oh. Also, when the cab driver drops them off and then just leaves, and they're like, how are we supposed to contact him? The guy knows you're not coming back, you don't need to contact them. So they go through the jungle in Mexico trying to find these ruins. When they finally get to the river where the path should be, it is

actually covered up with palm fronds. Literally, the locals are even hiding it from people because stupid tourists. People keep going to these ruins even though everyone is saying no, it's bad newsbearers stop going. They just can't can't get it in their head. They think like, oh, they don't want us to find the treasure. The treasure is your life that you're gonna keep when

you don't go. Okay, So they see these little kids right before they go onto the path, and the kids run away from them quick like. They go to warn their parents, like, h more tourists are coming. Let's get our guns and our bow and arrows. Fucking fucking gentlem alone Amy, I'm just gonna call her gentlem alone. She is taking pictures of these kids. I mean, not like a creepy way, but like, don't

keep pictures of random kids when obviously you're not welcome there. They move the leaves out of the way, which it should be a huge red flag if they're trying to cover it, saying, and one of them brings that up too, and they're like, oh, no, no, no, it's fine, it's fine. He's like, it was probably my brother trying to

hide it so no one else would discover the ruins before him. If that was me and I had discovered the ruins and I told you about it and you saw it covered, that would be your first sign to not come. You'd be like, she wouldn't cover this. If anything, I would like write my name on a tree to be like, come this way. So it just seemed I don't know why he even went, but anyway, they

get to the ruins and tell them what happens. They get to the ruins and they're like starting to kind of go up to it, up to the ruins and these locals. He's like, I want to say there were Mayans somewhere. It'said Mayans, I swear, But so these people. No, it didn't. You're right, because they don't speak Spanish. They speak like Mayan. Yeah, even though yes, they were in Mexico, the civilization. The locals near these ruins, they don't speak Spanish, they speak or

something like ancient yes, protecting this from the world type of thing. Three of them come up and they start yelling at him, like screaming, like, and the tortoise subgroup is terrified. They're like, what's happening, what's happening. We're not doing anything, We're just looking for my brother. One of their friends named Dmitri goes up behind them and it's like, this is

who we're looking for. Here's a picture on the phone. But like waving something and someone's face who doesn't speak your language is not a smart thing. And he gets dropping in this chest with an arrow. Yeah, they instantly kill him. He got too closed. They don't give a fuck why you're here dead. It shows it very subtly. They're walking inside the plants, but the whole time they're dealing with the locals screaming at them, pointing balls

and arrows, pointing guns in their faces. Amy's taking pictures of them, which is so rude. Bitch put the camera down. Obviously. The children ran to the village and was like, hey, Dad, there's a woman taking my photo. Please go yell at her. And then now she's like pointing her camera in their face two and I was just like, what are you doing? She makes you mad. She's the whiniest little fucking bitch in

this movie. Yeah. Sorry, My least favorite character is always when she like cries in the plants and she gets and throws up the little fucking baby. Why would you do that? Later? But yes, So the locals come, they shoot Matthias's friend. They force them up into the ruins, and these ruins are covered and these beautiful looking green plants is yeah, little

yellow insides like their beautiful flowers. And they're forced all the way up to the top, and up there they see the tents of Matthias's brother they find, you know, like their little fire pit where they must have been. And all that's on top of these ruins is like a police system with obviously a decrepit ass piece of rope. If I didn't see someone who I went to meet there, I would be worried. At first, were like, oh, maybe they're inside the ruins. It's just like a hollow thing of

stone. If I yelled in there, you should be able to hear me right away. Matthias wants to find his brother. He's worried his stuff is there, but he's not there. So he puts himself on the rope and pulley system and he's like, guys, lower me down, which to me was not smart. You should always test the rope, make sure it's okay, maybe even like tie some knots in it to give it more strength. He wasn't thinking. He just wanted to check on his brother, so he

holds onto the rope. The two men, Eric and Jeff start lowering Matthias down, and I don't know, a third of the way down, the rope snaps. He falls sixty to one hundred feet down, flat on his back, and we're pretty sure he broke his back and his legs. He's really really messed up. Right after that, they tells Stacy that she has to go down because Amy won't do it. She's crying. She's like, I'm too scared, And this was the only time that I did agree with

her. If I just saw someone fall to their death, basically, I'm not going in the hole after him. I'm not. Stacy goes, and since the rope broke, she was about twenty feet from the bottom, which is still a long way to fall, especially onto solid rock. I probably would have tried to land on Massias's body if it was me. He's already dead. I'm sorry, he's already gonna die. They're in the middle of nowhere. These people still use bone arrows. There's no hospitals. I get

it. If you've never jumped off of like fifteen twenty feet, be smart about it. It's not very hard to figure out how to Like, hey, maybe I shouldn't land like this, and then I'm gonna fall and then

I'll get hurt. I was thinking she should have shimmed her way down until she was at the very basically holding her hands only on the rope but lowering most of her body, because depending on your height, you actually can make it about a fifteen footfall instead of a twenty foot Like I'm a short person, and I even thought of that same Stacy jumps from the rope, just jumps. I think she was just panicking, and she injures one of her legs like a pretty good bad cut. She goes up to Matthias and she's

like, oh god, oh god, oh god, he's dead. He's dead, you guys. And he's like she's like, fuck, he's not dead, you guys, He's not dead. What do I do? I'm a hurt now. I can't get him up? What the fuck do I do? And both of the guys look at Jenna and Malone and they're like, hey, so you, uh gotta get down there too, and she's like, oh no, I can. It's this game. They're like, two of your friends are about to die. Yeah, and you have both

of us, and don't worry. We reinforced the rope with the fucking tent so it could be fine. So they make him a stretcher so that the two girls can lift Matthias and put him on the stretcher. The two men can hould him up and hopefully help him because Eric is a med student. Oh my god, though, So they make the stretcher down below. It won't go all the way down to the bottom, so they have to lift up. Yeah, it's still about six feet off the ground. They have

to lift up this broken man. And do they bend him? Oh my god? They like, oh my fuck. When they lift him up and you just hear that, Yeah, and he's just screaming. It's like they fucked up his back, you know, when already got chattered, they just bent it some more. His legs are fucked up. And then when they have him and he kind of like fold in between them and is screaming, They're just like, get him up, get him up. It doesn't matter,

it doesn't matter, just do it. Just do it, because it would have been way worse to just let him down and try it again. Like at that point, you kind of have to you have to just get him on there. Yeah, we kind of accidentally skipped it already, but it's okay. It's a very important part of the movie, which happens a bunch. The reason Matthias went down there in the first place was he heard

his brother's phone ringing. Oh it was like a little bry It wasn't like a song or anything, but he knew it was like strange enough of a ringtone to be his brothers, which I do agree, it wasn't your traditional ring ring cell phone at the time. What was this movie in two thousand and six or something even then, Like he saw his brother campsite all of his stuff. If you hear a phone going off, you're gonna be like, oh shit, they have to be down there somewhere. Him and his

friends have to be nearby. Yeah, So that's why Matthias jumped to the chance to go get his brother without thinking about the stability of the rope. His brother's phone is on there, maybe he's trapped down there. He doesn't know. They were even telling Matthias like, how come you don't just call your brother, and he's like, oh, when the locals were forcing us up the mountain, they took my backpack, and in my backpack was my sat phone. But now we're to present part of the movie. Matthias is

at the top of the ruins. Now he's a lot worse than Eric thought. He thought maybe he just had a broken back, but both of his legs are broken bonus protruding through the skin. He really can't move, and they all realize they don't have enough food, water, or supplies to even make it like a day or two. And that's when Eric decides I'm in charge, and him and Jeff kind of start this like squabbling, which that's not going to help anyone. This is one of those situations where if someone

asserts themselves as a leader, just go with it. It kind of seemed like Jeff was being sassy on purpose just to annoy him. When they get Matthias out of the ruins, Amy and Jeff they run down and they're like, please help, please help. Our friend is hurt. And they see that the Mayans have all of their like able bodied young men around the ruins to guard it. They will not let these tourists off of the ruins.

And she's like, please help. They're pointing guns at them again, shouting like get back up there, bursting them back up on the mountain, and she's being hysterics. She's super distraught and she's just screaming, why won't you help us? What have we done? Why won't you help us? And she's like fall, you know, when you're so upsetting, you like fall to the ground on your knees. I've probably never done that. I'm not very dramatic in that way, but I see women do it a lot in

movies. Oh I have I have woops. I get really bad anger. I get so angry, but like emotional that way. No, sometimes I get so angry I have to fall on the floor and just kind of like, oh, yeah, I feel like punch shit for sure. He kind of falls into a pile of the vines the plants, and she grabs a clump and she throws it at them, and it hits a little like six year old boy, a very young child. Yes, he's a little baby,

and he starts screaming. He's like no, no, no, and his mom comes up and it's like, please don't, please tell his life. The guys are screaming, they're screaming, and they just fucking shoot him. They shoot the little tiny baby. They kill him right there, and that's their own child, one of their people. They know, Oh that's little Charlie. He always ate bread or I don't know that means that, like obviously they don't care who you are. You're you're staying there. You're

going to die. So that's when they kind of say, like, huh, it has to do with these plants, not necessarily the ruins. A little later they say that because after they're watching, like the mom crying, it becomes nighttime and they're like watching everyone. They camped around the ruins to make sure they can't leave. The mom is crying. They start salting the body and salted the body, and they're salting the ground around it so the

plants can't grow. And then that's when they go there's something. There's something. It's not the ruins. It has to be these fucking things. It's not that it's like haunted, it's these vines or whatever. They go to sleep that night. They wake up in the morning and they wake up to Stacy's screaming. They don't know what's wrong. They check and there is a vine inside the wound, literally in her leg, up her leg, like in there, and they pull it out so fucking gross. I was disgusting.

They go over to Matthias and he is like covered in the vines all over him. They rip it all off. It's really scary because obviously he can't feel much. Yeah, Matthias, but he goes, something's wrong, something's wrong, Please help me, and they take off the blanket and then they see it and he can't like sit up and see yeah, and their faces have the look of shock and fear, like, holy shit, there are plants growing inside your fucking body. But they don't want to tell him

that because it's already bad. And he's like, what is it? And fucking Stacy has the one in her leg from her wound, and they have to rip that should and that has done so well it hurts me to watch, like the blood. So while all this is going on, the cell

phone rings again. And this is my favorite part of the movie, because they've already been down there, Stacey and Amy, and since they had the backstretcher made, they both can ride down now and it's not too all far off the ground, and they have torches that they made, and they go down there and they start to try to search for the cell phone because the

ringing is getting louder and they're following it, and there's a room. There's actually a little room off of the main corridor in these ruins, and it's a very vine covered room that would scare me to even just look into, let alone crawl through, but they do it. They go through, and the ringing it sounds like it's right there, So they reach through the vines and they find the phone. But attached to the phone is a skeleton, and it must be it must be his brother, right, Matthias's brother.

It has to be. I don't know if they specify it, but it has to be. And when they grab the phone. It is a shattered phone. There's no way this thing could be ringing, and are puzzled. They're like, how is it ringing if the phone is broken. Amy starts to look around and she notices that the ringing sound is not made from a

cell phone. But the plants are so evolved in these ancient ruins that they can mimic sounds to lure in their prey, and they heard his phone ringing, and that is how they know it'll call other humans, which is fucking evil man. So when she goes up to it, you see this beautiful orange red flower with the yellow center going and when she goes to touch it, it starts to grab her. Stacy has to help save Amy, which then actually makes it attack Stacy even more. They try to like burn it

with the fire. The flowers don't give a shit and they barely escape. Well, this is one of my favorite shots. How it's videoed or shot, I guess because when they're on the stretcher, they're like, pull us up, pull us up, and the guys are like, okay, they're being dramatic. They're kind of scared. She's like hurry and like as they're cranking them up on this decrepit rope with this pulley system. The vines are like climbing with them, and they're like getting closer, trying to fucking like

encapsulate them, and it's fucking terrifying. The whole time. You go, oh yeah, and you're like her, like, even if I've seen the movie fifteen times, I know they don't die here. I'm just like, oh, so. That's when she tells them it's not a cell phone. Listen to what I'm saying. The vines are alive. The ringing is from the flowers. They can imitate sounds. They're like, did you crazy? Eric and Jeff are like, you guys are crazy. That's not what it

is. There's no way. After the girls come out and they're like, it's the vines. It's the vines. It has to be. The vines are evil. They're like, what are you what are you talking about? It is you crazy? Like their plants it over it, And that's when Matthias goes, please help. There's there's something wrong. There's something wrong. I don't know what it is. Something's happening, And they go over to Mattias and they take off his blanket and they see his legs flit like we

said, his legs is the process flash. There's infection and they know that, like the vines crept up inside the body before Eric goes up to them, and it's like, we have to amputate his legs. Guys, now, like, what the fuck? We don't have like bone cutting tools, we don't have anything. What do you mean we have to amputate his leg and he's like, the infection's getting worse. He'll be dead by tomorrow if we don't do something, it's gonna get infected. I do want this just

recorded so everyone in the world can help. Don't cut off my legs. I'll just die, that's okay. Don't waste your water on me, don't waste your food on me. I will just die if that is me. Okay, use my body to throw at the people as a distraction, and then you guys run for sure. That is how I offer my services. Exactly what what I'm gonna describe is what I don't want to happen, because

it was fucking horrifying. The exact opposite. So the group is like, so, mister smartman student guy, how are we gonna cut off his legs if we got nothing, and he goes, well, we have this tiny ass knife. We also have some sharp, jagged rocks that I found, and we have a frying pan. And they're like what. He's like, we're gonna maguy for this ship. We are gonna slowly cut into the flesh

of his leg with this very tiny, shallow knife. We're gonna break his bone with this dirty rock I found, which isn't going to infect anything, and this much tequila, like that's gonna do anything. And then we're gonna heat up the frying pan and use it to cauterize the wound. And everyone goes, what the fuck are you serious? And he's like, oh, don't worry. All the nerves are dead. We're just gonna get rid of

the flesh. All the nerves are dead. He can't feel anything, which he was screaming when they lifted him, so I know he felt it. You know. They're all like just full of shock and they're terrified, and they're like this guy, he's in medical school. He knows, he knows what he's talking about. He has to who he has to, who he has to. So they go and do it, and you hear you see like the crunching of the like the cutting of the skin. You hear the

crunching of the bone. And this German Man is a really really good actor because you feel it with every fucking scream. My legs, I like had to look down at them and like rub them. I'm like, oh, it's okay. So that's just it's scary. So they do one leg, they cut it, they break the bone, they put the really hot sizzling pan, you could hear it burning. They do one and the poor guy's just like panting so hard to stop, stop, please stop, Please don't

do it again. They do it anyway, and after the first leg, Matthias begged them to stop. But yeah, they do the other side. It kind of seemed like Eric wanted to do it. I was just gonna say, he got really like dead face where he's just like this has to be done, this has to be done, even though he knows. And so they do the other leg, and my Auththorne says, for some reason,

pours the smallest amount of alcohol on top that doesn't do anything. Use it to like clean off the knife first, or like fucking give that whole bottle to Matthias. So he's drunk as fuck, don't use it on his leg. If he's dying, let him be drunk as fucking not feel anything. And I refuse to believe any of them didn't bring weed. By the way, get high off your asses, burn the ruins down with weed boom,

or I don't know, use the alcohol to burn the ruins. There was just so many options, right, they had alcohol, they had fire, put together, throw in hole, movie over anyway. After they cut off both of his legs and he's just resting, and he just he wants to be dead. He would rather have been dead than having to do with

that shit. You see that Eric is just like dead faced. I think he's also in shock that he even could do that, but I think he had to prove to himself that he could do it to be a doctor. And Amy goes up to them and it's like he felt it, and he's like, no, he didn't, It's it's just phantom legs syndrome. He just knew we were doing something and that's what he was scrimming. She's like, oh, he felt it. There's a difference in Okay, I think

that's happening. Or I can feel my bones being broken and my skin getting punctured and then burned. Ye, And he's like, no, he's fine, and he walks away, and I'm like, what the literal fuck everyone just saw that happen. What do we do? Guys? Eric's fucking psycho. And as they're having this little discussion about if he felt it or not, the vines creep up towards Matthias and take his two dismembered legs and like

eat them. Oh yeah, they take the legs and eat them. So that night, they're all just recovering from the horrible thing they just did to one of their friends. Stacy decides to go in the tent. I don't really know where Eric was. I think he was just with Matthias. But Amy and Eric they're on the same side because Stacy helped Eric the med student cut off Matthias's legs. That means Jeff was the boyfriend. I mean, got the name's wrong, but look, Eric pulls alcohol over the leg to

sterilize it and then cuts to remove the vine. Remember that was the Blondewood's boyfriend that they're comforting. Fuck, we have to start over. Okay, guys, we got their names mixed up, so every time we said Eric, we met Jeff, and every time we said Jeff, we met Eric. We're going to continue now with the correct names for the correct characters. But Jeff is the med student and Eric is the hippie. So that's the

only thing we messed up. We apologize. It was me. I wrote it wrong, but we are going to continue from this point with the correct names. So we do apologize for that. If you've seen the movie, you probably were thinking, what the fuck they're getting their names wrong? Should happens. We're human beings and we still love you all. We apologize,

so we're going to continue. Funny story, my husband's name is Brian with a bee, and for the first six months that I him, I thought his name was Ryan with an R. Remember you got called out my own husband. Yes, I'm not going to apologize for my faults. This has been one of the worst traits about me and I'm here both names. I'll take all the blame for this, but we're going to continue. Just remember, guys, we're human. We fuck up. We love you, Eric,

Hippy, Jeff doctor Okay. Good Stacy and her boyfriend Eric the Hippie fight because she helped Jeff the doctor med student cut off Matthias's legs, so she goes to recuperate. Stacy goes to in the tent. She just she doesn't want to deal with anyone. Jeff is with Matthias, being like, sorry, I cut your legs off. I'm gonna keep you alive, though, bro. So Amy and Eric are they're comforting each other. Amy is crying. She's like so distraught and Eric is like, it's okay, dude,

we're all scared, like we're friends. Come here, let me give you a hug. And you see Stacy inside the tent with her eyes wide open, and you hear little sounds because you remember, the plants can mimic sounds, so she hears something and she gets all mad, and she gets she starts to hear whispering as if they're kind of talking about her, I

think, but kind of like fuck Stacy. And then the plants start mimicking moaning sounds, and that's when Stacy gets mad and goes outside and she sees Eric, her boyfriend, and Amy like just holding each other, and she goes, you guys were fucking in front of me. They just have their arms around each other and they're in the middle of everyone, So I don't know how she thought that even happened. And she's like, what the fuck are you talking about, Stacy, And Stacy's like, no, I heard

you, guys. You can't lie. I heard you, guys, and everyone knows you're not afraid to cheat on your boyfriend. And Jeff is like, excuse me, and she's like, yeah, if I wouldn't have stopped her, she would have been fucking Matthias right now and never would have told you because she's a slut. And part of me kind of thought, what if Jeff always knew? Because remember on the walk through the jungle, Eric kept putting little tidbits here and there about Amy cheating on him, so one

of the kind of revenge. That's why he looked so dead face. That's what I was thinking, because you had to be real dumb did not pick up on those clues, and obviously he's not dumb, he's a med student. Also, something that just threw me off about this whole thing. She heard the moans for about ten seconds and then came outside and they were just, you know, embracing each other in a hug, and she thought that

they had fucked. Okay, you can have really quick sex. Some guys are one pump and done, and like you could do it through clothes, just take the dick out and take the pants off. I'm just saying that you could be a quick like eh and then like a tidy come off. You're just hugging and then you're like, wow, you guys just fucked in front of me. Now I didn't. Also, this is when I started thinking. When she fell, Obviously, wherever you fall on the plants,

it like gets you right, it gets inside your body. So what if not only did she hurt her leg, but what if she hit her head and it cart like started going in her brain because they didn't actually like check her whole body to see if she was okay. She was just like, I cut my leg, and that's what they focused on. If I fell from fifteen feet, Please check my entire body, touch my scalp, look for cuts, because that's what I think happens. So Stacy starts slowly going

crazy. Okay, And as they're fighting over this the plants, the flowers and the vines, they decide to take another chance. And have you noticed that every time they fly, plants is making them fight with it? Sounds, and then once they know the humans are fighting, they seize the opportunity. Yes, with their backs turn and then the vines come up and they go down Matthias's throat and suffocate him. They hear him choking. Jeff actually

hears him choking. Once they say you cheated on him with Matthias. Jeff is like, oh my god, Matthias, let me go check on him. But he's already gone, and he has to pull the plants out of his esophagus, out of his throat see, and then Iceman makes a really, it's just gonna be easier for I call Iceman whatever, better than his wrong name. So Iceman goes, well, at least we cut off his legs, right, And Jeff's like, fuck you, Eric, fuck you

shut up. I know, because like he's already dead. He went through all of that pain for nothing. That's so sad, that's just horrifying. He goes on your conctions and you're like, wow, I did that and it meant nothing. I promised him he'd be okay, Like I put him through all that pain for nothing, and then the vines take his body anyway, and then they just eat it and way, so like Wow, just the vines take his body, and when they go to help him, they

actually notice other skeletons in the vines. Remember they see all the other bodies. Yeah, and they kind of realize, holy shit, how many people have died here? A lot? We're definitely gonna die here. But Jeff keeps telling them, no, we won't. Matthias's friends are gonna look for him, and they're like, they couldn't even find their hotel room. They're drunk. They're not gonna fucking find us here. And then after all this scary shit, they go, Okay, that's gonna bed and they all sleep

together too, like for warmth and shit. Yeah, and then this is the part, the really really scary part, the biggest vines inside Stacy. In the morning, Eric brings Amy and Jeff into the tent and tell Stacy to show them what is on her back and then they have to cut it out. When she turns around, she lifts up her shirt to expose her back, and she shows her friends that the vibes are actually really growing underneath

her skin. And guess what she tells them to do. Everybody cut it out to cut her cut it out, literally, so they cut open her leg and he has to dig his dirty just cut off a guy's finger, fucking horrible water to wash nasty ass, nasty hands. I thought her acting

was done really well too. And he'd like sticks his finger into the fat of her leg, her muscle and just pull it and you can feel, like, imagine the longest splinter and you know that a little bit of like when you feel it come out of your body, just that for like a

minute, for like three feet. Yeah. So they get the vine out of her leg, and then they get the three foot long vine from her spine, and after they remove that, she actually tries to take the knife from Jeff the doctor, and she says, Okay, I have one in my head. I can feel it right here. You need to get it. And they're like, they're like, oh, you're crazy, You're okay, You're okay, but like they see it, yeah, it says.

As Stacy proceeds to drink water, the rest of the group watches her, and a vine moves under the skin in her forehead, revealing that her worst fears were true. But they don't tell her. They don't say shit because she's already crazy. And then the next morning again I guess they just keep going to bed. How do you keep sleeping through all this when you know evil as vines are whatever. I don't even know how they can sleep at

all. Stacy wakes up early and she goes and finds the knife, and obviously she's being driven crazy because there's like a vine in her head, yes, messing with her brain literally, and she gets the knife and she just you don't see it, but you see the friends hear her. Like the friends hear her, and they'll run out and they're like, Stacy, what are you doing? And she turns around. She's covered in blood. Her whole body's all all cut up and horrible, and she's like, I'm getting

them out. I'm getting them out, guys, it's okay. And Eric ice Man loves her and it's like it's okay, just give me the knife. And she's like, no, no, no, I have to get it. There's just one more in my head. I have to get it. I have to get it. He's like, just just give me the knife, babe, I love you. And she's in such a state of

like heightened emotions and like hysteria. So when he comes to grab the knife from her, she fucking stabs him, like in the heart, directly in the heart, and he just looks at her, and it's so sad because they look on his face. He just wanted to save her. He genuinely loved her. He's betrayed. First you accuse him of cheating, then you stab him literally in the heart, like bitch, and like he falls to

the ground, and she just sees her boyfriend's fall. And then the vines come and they just take Eric like they don't even want the distraction anymore. They're like, yemmi breakfast time, Like this is mine. Thanks. It's like when you're trying to eat something and your cat just kind of like poses a handover boop mine. So then Stacy starts begging Jeff the doctor to kill her. She's like, I can't live with this. I can't believe I killed the love of my life. Kill me, and he fucking does he

kills her. Yeah, Well, if I ask you to kill me, especially if I had you stabbed my lover in the heart, I would ask you to kill me because I would not be able to live with that. And also there's demons in my head. I would push you down the ruins head first. Or something, I couldn't stab you or whatever. Wow, you want me to get eaten alive slowly by plants instead of just a quick stab to the heart, like I just killed my boyfriend. Cool. Wow,

might as well cut my legs off first too. Huh sounds good. I'll cut your legs off throwing you down there. It'll be it'll be a whole thing. Now, if I fucking had too, I would I wouldn't be happy about it. See. And then at this point too, you realize that the locals were saving them by giving them a quick, painless death with a gunshot to the head. I would have preferred that then everything I just said. I also kind of wish captions would have said what they said,

just so I could have got their side of the story. Maybe they were yelling at them like I can kill you now, or you can die up there. We don't know what they were saying. It came off to us as angry. Yeah, but once you touch over there, you can't come back down. But maybe they were giving them the option. So we're already at the end of the film. We'll talk about the alternate ending as well, So we're just gonna get right to the end. So Jeff now

a murderer slash a surgeon of legs. He's like, okay, I can't go back into society with this murder on my belt. I am gonna save my girlfriend who treated on me, and hopefully she can get us some help because she's a cute girl. So he gets Stacy's blood, Stacy's blood has gone and go in on, Okay, what if her blood is infected and that's how it explains the alternate ending, you know, probably, but we'll

get to that. So he spears blood all over her body and then he carries her down the Mayan ruins, putting her on the salted earth, and he pleads to the Mayan people. He's like, why are you doing this to us? You don't even know our names. My name is Jeff, not Eric. Her name is Amy. That's my girlfriend, and you don't even know and neither does hot thor To never realist my name is Jeff. Fucking get it right, the Mayans, That's exactly what they're like, get

back, get back. And their plan was when he says her name is Amy, that Amy was gonna through the jungle, find the jeep, drive home, find them help, and she was like, promise me you'll be there when I get back. I think that's a selfish ass promise if he can find a way to live. I'm not gonna wait at the ruins for you, dude. If you can get away, don't even come back. Tell people where I yeah, but don't ever come back for me. Just be like, yeah, she was over there, Yeah, what I want

you coming back to this fucking monster ass please. So he lures them away, and as he says, her name is Amy, she gets up and run and they start attacking him, arrow everything, and she hears it. She knows he's dead. She knows he lied to her, Like I like that. She just started running though. Same she somehow finds this jeep, which to me was kind of unbelievable. It was her first time in these

woods. She's hungry, thirsty, distraught. They passed it, But how did she know how to get back because it was a pretty great shout. I think I'm just saying it seems a little too easy. She really was there in like a few minutes, but they were like shooting bullets at her and like you see like like the ricocheting trees, which I thought was cool. And then she gets to the jeep, she turns it on, and

she drives away as fast as she can. Yeah, the last scene we see in the movie is the two friends that they said we're going to come for them actually walk up to the temple and then it ends. So now it's like, oh, what's going to happen to them? If you haven't seen an alternate ending, it is on YouTube. It's only one minute long. I kind of wish they would have just made this the ending, have that scene with the friends, and then show this. It's not really an

alternate ending either. It's more like just an addition. It's like the ending. Yeah, it's like literally the real ending. So an alternate ending would be like another person survived or like something. Yeah, this was just like we have to cut the movie by a minute or else we've got to spend like ten million more dollars. Oh yeah, that's exactly what happened. So tell them the alternate ending and then we'll get into ratings and stuff like that.

In the alternate ending, people are at a funeral. It doesn't really explain who's funeral, and there's like a grave keeper and he's doing he's whistling frere Jaka, and he goes over to a grave that just says the name Amy on it. No last name, that's it, not then just damy. It was very lazily done. Sorry I'm judging and ending they didn't even put in the movie. But he hears like a mimic of his whistling, and he goes up to it, and on the Amy gravestone it's the plants

from the ruins growing away from the ruins in the world. He reaches his hand out to touch the flowers, and right before he touches it, the screen cuts to black, and I wish that's how they would have ended the movie. See, And then you also think how fucking selfish it was Amy to bring this out in the world, Like I get it, but you guys are the ones who went there. You did it, You deal with it. You don't trying to survive. I don't give a fuck. I

don't care who you are. You did this, you don't infect the rest of the goddamn world. And now the whole world is screwed thanks because these fucking tourist ass college kids literally or like I want to get explore ribbons, oh my god, because it's all cool. No you just destroyed the world and I hate you seriously. So that was movie The Ruins. What do you rate it out of five? Back when I first saw it, I would have said like a four point five. Right now probably a high three,

like a three point eight. You put nine, just under a four. I do like it. I like that it was gory. How could it have been better for you? I wish it would have explained, like how did did he find the ruins in the first place? Who are the other people he went with? Maybe instead of the stupid like partying scene of them at the pool in the beginning, it could have showed a little bit like a five minute clip of like Matthias's brother in the woods, the brother,

yeah, and like the people he went with? And how did he get the map? He left it for his brother? How did Matthias know where to go if he had never been? And then like, also what happened with the Greeks? Because I remember they went. Did they just get shot on site? Too? Then did they leave? Yeah? Don't like when movies do that. I'm sitting there like, we don't know if the guy down in the ruins with the flowers was his brother or if it was

just someone his brother went with. Yeah, and there was a lot of other skeletons. Who are these people? Yeah? I want to know who these people were, so it gives a little more of an impact. I wanted Matthias to like see his dead brother and get more of that, like more emotion because he fought so hard and now he just realizes it was for nothing. Yeah, I feel you on that. Anyway, how did you What did you think of the movie? Would you rate it? I think

I'm gonna rat it a solid three. It wasn't very scary, but people who are afraid of gore, like you and I, like really realistic. It's scary to us in that way. Part of me wants to say it could be better because maybe they should have explored the ruins a little more, you know, that was a lot cooler, maybe giving it some caverns and shit, and like I was gonna say, the only condemning sounds. How

come I not not mimicking voices? How come it wasn't like Mansias and then you know, led him around the ruins to like a trapped room or something like that could have been really well done. And with the ruins, like the inside that's true. All you see is like the big one cave and then there was like a little low cave over there. Is that all that's in this and giant giant ruins and mung is exactly. So that's why I'm

reading it so low. They did a lot of just on the top, and I read that the budget was like eight million or something like you couldn't have made a few concrete rooms with treasures or something to like really lure them in there. I get the cell phone like that was their main way to get off, but like, I don't know, it just could have been a little more, but you know, so, yeah, do you recommend the movie. I recommend it to watch at least once because it is like

an older movie. I felt like it was more iconic when we were younger. But no one talks to every mad anyone who's talked about it, which is really really I recommend it. It's on Hulu. You need the stupid cinemas add on, though, but you get it free for a week. So that's what I had to do to watch it. I watched mine on Voodoo for like two ninety nine. And also, I guarantee you there's a

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can just help grow our shows popularity in the community. Yeah, all right, let's help each other. We're now to the story and murda section of our show. Do you want to go first? You want me to go first? Now you can go first. So, my dear, what's your murder this week? Hawthorne? Is it going to ruin my life? I don't know if what to ruin your life, but this guy's life was definitely ruined unfortunately. This week I will be talking about the murder of Jeffrey Howe.

Jeffrey Howe was forty nine at the time of his murder. He was a kitchen salesman, but before that he had actually been a chef in Italy. He had a friend, acquaintance, drinking buddy type of person in his life named Stephen Marshall. Marshall was thirty eight. He was a bodybuilder, personal trainer or former bouncer blah blah blah, you know that type. Yeah, and Jeffrey had actually rented out the bottom part of his home to him

just to help him out. Marshall decided to moving his twenty one year old girlfriend, whose name is Sarah Bush, and Jeffrey actually let them stay in his like bottom basement apartment rent free. In our roommate situations, they never really work out, and the couple began to take advantage of him more and more. They started to steal food from Jeffrey's kitchen, and you know,

him being a chef, I think that's pretty fucked up. You know, he's buying good quality food to make himself like bomb ass meals, but here they go stealing from him. It's like really rude. Jeffrey began kindly asking them to leave and like, when are you guys going to move out? Blah blah blah, but they refused to leave. Jeffrey began to complain to

his friends and family about the couple living with him. Marshall and Bush then forged Jeffrey's signature on some legal documents claiming his household benefit, which I don't really know what that is. This is an English case like in Britain, so I don't know what that means. But they said that Jeffrey was leasing his whole property to them so they could collect the taxes on it. But that wasn't even true. He was letting the rent free. You see what

I'm saying. Yeah, weird. I also couldn't find how long exactly they had been living with Jeffrey, but I know it was minimum four months because he was complaining at Christmas time in December of two thousand and eight about the tenants to his family and friends, so minimum four months. On March eighth, two thousand and nine, the living situation finally reached the point of no return, as it usually does when you have roommates. That night, Marshall

attacked Jeffrey with a knife. He stabbed him twice in the back with a four inch blade. One of the stab wounds punctured his lung. They believed Jeffrey could have been alive for eight to twelve hours after he was stabbed Jesus Marshall began to meticulously dismember Jeffrey Simon Pooled. The pathologist made it that the skillful removal of Jeffrey's limbs would have taken anywhere from ten to twelve hours, meaning that Jeffrey, if he was still alive, felt everything as he slowly

died. Oh that's awful, It's very horrible. After the murder, Marshall and his girlfriend Sarah Bush spent all of Jeffrey's money on themselves. They even sold his car on eBay. When Jeffrey's friends came to check in on him, Marshall told them that he had just packed up and left. Twenty days after Jeffrey was murdered, his brother John stopped by his house and this time met with Sarah Bush. She told him the same story about where Jeffrey was.

She's like, oh, he hasn't came to collect our rents, not that they were paying any So I thought that was weird and said, yep, he just packed up all his things and left. To me, that is so stupid. Who believes that shit? And sorry, this is in two thousand and nine, Like, I don't know why cops always think that, Like, oh, they must have just run away, or they just packed up and love to start a new life. That's literally never happened in

her life. People always tell at least one fucking person where they're going, what they're doing. Everyone has that one person they tell everything to, whether it be your mom, your best friend. And he had a lot of friends and family, so this just I don't know why his brother may even

believe that. I just thought that was strange. As I said, Jeffrey had a lot of friends and family that he kept in contact with, and at the end of January, one of his friends actually came over to the house and he found that the couple was living there, so she left after trying to call him and call him with no answer. She had actually heard through their group that he was missing, and she kept trying to contact him for a few months, and finally reported him as a missing person on March

fifteenth, just one week after he was murdered Weird. Two police officers went to the house the next day at eleven thirty am to search the house see maybe if he was help I fallen and I can't get up kind of a situation. After no answer, they forced their way inside the home. They searched all of the rooms and saw no visible signs of a struggle. There

was no blood or furniture broken or anything like that. Jeffrey's mother, who he usually called several times a week to keep in touch, also reported him missing. On April twenty first, Marshall and Bush worked together and began to spread Jeffrey's dismembered body parts as randomly as they could. I'm gonna go over each body part in chronological order by when they were found. On March twenty second, Jeffrey's left leg with the foot attached, was found and cottered Hertfordshire.

They had wrapped it with duct tape and blue plastic bags. This is when the murder investigation officially had started. A week later, on March twenty ninth, his left forearm, which was dismembered at the elbow and the wrist, was found on Drover Lane. Then, on March thirty first, Jeffrey's head was found by a farmer and a cattle pen in Asford b The flesh had been removed, along with the eyes, ears, tongue, and his

neck had been cut off, so it was just a skull. On April seventh, his right leg was found on a bypass by a driver he noticed a jim bag that looked suspicious, and it turns out it was. Lastly, on April eleventh, his torso, right arm and upper left arm were discovered in a ditch by a walker inside of a green suitcase, which was the same brand as the jim bag from before. To this day, his hands have never been found. Although Bush stated that they were buried in Epping

Forest, they have never found them. When questioned by the police, Marshall and Bush said, as far as we know, Jeffrey's alive, Like, come on now. The police had to use dental records to identify Jeffrey's remains. At once they knew who he was, they discovered that Marshall had lived close to where the torso was found, Like, how are you going to dump body parts near where you're staying. That's when the police arrested the couple

at the apartment on April twenty first. The arresting officer said that Marshall was very nervous and jittery, and his leg could not stop shaking. Sarah Bush felt extremely uncomfortable with the situation. I really think that they actually thought they had gotten away with the murder. The arresting officer also stated that just by their demeanor when he arrested them, he knew that Jeffrey Howe, their roommate, was the victim. Jeffrey Howe was publicly named as the victim of the

murder on April twenty third. Police then searched the apartment with the forensics team. They found blood in the bathroom, blood in the bedroom, it was under the carpet, and they even found blood in Jeffrey's car, which they had to recover it from the person who purchased it on eBay. Imagine buying a car and the cops come and they're like, hey, and you just got a really good killer deal in that car on eBay. But it's for a murder. You have to really be careful with p chuby on eBay.

Green fibers from a T shirt in Marshall's bedroom matched fibers found on duct tape used to wrap Jeffrey's body parts. How are you going to keep the clothes you wore during the disposal and or murder of a human corpse? And the cherry on top the journey that Marshall and Bush took to dispose of Jeffrey's body parts was actually traced from CCTV footage and the automatic license plate recognition software, so they were pretty much fucked at that point. The trial began on January

twelfth, twenty ten. At first, Marshall pled not guilty, but there was a lot of incriminating evidence through the statements of witnesses called by the prosecution. On January twenty ninth, three weeks into the trial, Marshall changed his plea to guilty for murder. Stephen Marshall was sentenced to life imprisonment on February first, two ten, with the minimum of thirty six years. Sarah Bush also decided to change her plea to guilty. On February first, two ten.

She was sentenced to three years and nine months for perverting the course of justice by helping Marshall dispose of Jeffrey's head. She was also given a concurrent sentence of two years and three months for giving false information about Jeffrey's whereabouts. Although she was acquitted on the actual charge of murder. I'm glad that she's serving time at all, because sometimes, you know, you can become a witness goot immunity. My sources for this case are from The Guardian dot com,

huffingtonPost dot com and BBC dot co dot UK. I chose this case because Marshall cuts off Jeffrey's limbs and he felt everything. And then the movie when jeff cuts off Matthias's legs, he too feels everything. That was fucking creepy. Man. Oh yeah, I don't understand how someone can be like, oh, we found his hands and legs and not his hands, so we found his arms and legs in his head. But he's alive. As far as I know, he's alive. Like, no, dude, you're

living in his house. You made an eBay account, you were selling his stuff. Come on, like, Bear, don't murder someone to be smart or Mandy, don't keeping dumb, keeping dumb guys. Yeah, you're gonna murder someone. Being dumb is fine, So Emma, realist, tell us your scared every story. Did we get that from my courage the Cowardly Dog, because I feel like we did. I think so. From the announcer.

The creepy stuff happens in nowhere. The creepy stories happened in Grils podcast to scare the boots off, you stupid My story this week was posted on No Sleep of Course, one of my favorite places, three years ago by somebody called Calshy, and it is titled Phantom Limb Syndrome. I wake up in unfathomable pain. My jarring, animalistic scream bleeds into the silent night, instantly waking my parents and sending them hurtling towards my bedroom door. It's no

surprise to them that I've woken up this way. It's the third night this month that my leg has sent us to the emergency room, or my lack of leg, I should say. Last year, I was diagnosed with phantom limb syndrome about a month after losing my leg just above the knee in a car accident. I was lucky to get away with my life. I lost a close friend in that crash, and I've lived as much as possible ever since. Before the accident, I was a very typical rebellious teenager. I

experimented with any drug I could get my hands on. I skipped school and bullied anyone who showed any sign of insecurity. I was a bad person, but in a stereotypical change of circumstance, I made countless apologies and turned myself around. I managed to graduate high school and begin to make something of my life. So yeah, my life is basically one of those made for TV

films that they show only on a Sunday afternoon. Phantom limb syndrome is the only thing that has kept me feeling angry over the loss of my leg. It's like a higher power that is really trying to rub it in. Ha ha, you lost your leg. Now imagine it's still there and that you can feel it itching or hurting all the time. Some days I even forget that I'm lacking a leg until there's a tickle at the end of my prosthesis.

The real pain only started recently, though. It starts as a dull ache and builds into a sharp jab until I feel like someone is knitting with strings of nerves inside my leg. It's like having a boiling kettle poured onto me. But dead and nerves don't end the pain. It just remains at a constant, scalding feeling. Doctors can't do much about it. After all, I'm complaining about a leg that I don't have, so they usually just

give me a muscle relaxident and let me sleep off the pain. No amount of therapy could solve the problem, and it became something that I just had to deal with. I should mention at this point that I was never a religious person until the accident. It's not that I'm super religious now, but I believe that something up there gave me a second chance, a chance to pull myself together and sort my life out. As soon as I was able,

I started going to church every Sunday. I found it to be a good chance to get out and about and to be around people who really cared about how my week had been. I continued to attend a church for months, getting as involved as possible with functions and sermons, until one Sunday. It starts out as normal, a welcome and a prayer for a wife widowed. When I felt the tight grip of a hand on my shoulder, I inhaled sharply and spun my head to see an elderly lady, a lady I

recognized as a regular attendee of the church, mark ninety three. She sputtered, she left hurriedly, leaving me confused by her words, and whilst everyone filed through the large brass doors to get home for lunch, I limped to the front of the church and picked up a Bible. I read the passage quoted by the lady, and I felt my prosthesis give out from under me. I close my leg bitch, I close my eyes and connect the dots. I was an evil person before my accident, a liar, an addict,

a sinner. Sinners go to hell, and now I suppose do any parts of them that they lose before death. Every time I feel a burden in my leg, I don't shout out. I accept and breathe it in. I pray for my life because my legs in hell and I don't want to join it. And that's my story. For those of you who don't know Mark ninety three. The quote the old woman said in the story is and if thy hand offend thee cut it off, it is better for thee to enter into life maimed than having two hands, to go to Hell,

into the fire that shall never be quenched. I picked this story because in the movie, Matthias obviously gets his legs cut off and he could still feel it, like he could feel that pain even though quote unquote he was dead from the nerves. When we all know that he could still feel that even afterwards. There's the phantom limb syndrome that people get, and you just know, like, what if he was feeling some kind of scary, demonic pain going on even after his legs were gone, and then he gets eaten by

the plants anyway, so it doesn't really matter anyway. That's my story. Thank you all so much for listening to this week's episode of Grave Girls Podcast. If you want to support our show, please rate and write us a review on iTunes. We're also available wherever podcasts are found. Please follow us on Twitter at Grave Underscore Girls and follow our Instagram at Grave Girls podcast