THE BABADOOK

Hey, Gravy's thanks so much for joining us this week for another episode of Great Girls Podcast. As always, it's mere host Hawthorne and it's me and Morellas We're back. Guys are alive, I promise, yeah, we're back. We have been spending a good amount of our quarantine eating well. For me, I'm a mom, so you know, I've been at home taking care of my kid and doing homeschooling, which has not been fun. But we all decided to take a break and we do have some announcements and some

changes. Hazel has relocated across the country and it's like basically kind of impossible for us to make a schedule work out. We've tried a few times, but she is out of the podcast. It's just me and emrellis, the creators of the podcast. She might come back to make some guest episodes, so she might, we'll see. She also moved to focus on her health. Do you guys know that was a big issue with why we couldn't record as much last year as well. But we really hope everyone is safe during

quarantine. We know we haven't been on any social media at all, just trying to like unplug enjoy time. With our families, and we hope all of you are doing well too. I've been doing nothing but eating food, and I've gained fifteen pounds in two months and I want to cry. But it's okay, guys, that's what quarantine's about. So if you've also gained weight during quarantine, okay, it is okay. No one's gonna be able to tell. Everyone's gonna be fifteen pounds heavy. Yer, It's fine,

literally, okay. So we have chosen to do do you want to announce that because that's your favorite movie for your birthday? So it was my birthday on the seventh, and I got to choose the movie for once. I'm kidding, I always choose, so you choose the movie like eighty percent of the time. But so we did one of my favorite new horror movies and it is The Baba Dude. And if you're not cool and haven't seen this

movie, that's The Baba Duke. The exact sound from Yeah. So this is exactly why we could never live together again, because I know, damn well you'd be doing that fucking noise if I was like in the middle of the night, or if I was home by myself. You would do some shit and make me pee my pants. I would hide in the closet and like bang on the door from the inside, making the sound three times, and shit, I would yeah, and then you would probably hear me scream

so loud that I would die good. I'm so easy to scare dude, you know it. My kid scares me all the freaking time. I was gonna check behind me and make sure no one's trying to scare me. But this is such a good movie. I used to be on Netflix, but they hate everyone paying for it, so they took everything good off. We both had to pay for it on Voodoo. I think so sorry, guys.

I think it's on Amazon Pride for four dollars. I paid the dollar cheaper for the less good quality one, and it looked the exact same. Sorry, coronavirus. You know, it's really funny having to like go in public and your coughing and you're like, sorry, it's a weed, coffin. Yeah, I'm not deadly, I just have a weed. Anyway, What do you think about the movie without giving anything away? Blah blah blah blah blah, you know, not the gist. I personally love the movie

It's one of my favorites. I used to have a cat named Bob a Duke. She was real cute. Now I have this little mushroom over here was a little black kittie. No, she was Calico. Oh my gosh, that's like the last time we watched the movie, because she responded to it right when you got her. Yeah, I love Calico cats. She was so cute. Anyway, so I obviously love the movie. It still scares me when I watch it. I love it so much. I actually

bought the Baba Duke book. It was really freaking horror to find and tell them what else you're gonna do? During this podcast, I will actually read it. It does not take a long there's a lot of money for very short, actual children's book. But my child will be sufficiently terrified by it. And when my husband is reading it to our kid, I can be hiding under the bed, the wardrobe or something. Oh I met Wow, that's why I don't have kids. You're great, Gray, anyway, what

do you think of the movie. I really love this movie. I actually let my kid watch the last few minutes of it. That part is okay for kids to watch the end of it. Maybe not the whole middle and beginning to scary. But yeah, definitely watch it. Please watch it before you listen to this, or you're gonna be like, what what what is happening at John and be surprised and then watch it and be like, oh, a really spot on Babba Duke impression and realist should be the Babba Duke

for Christmas Halloween, For Christmas Halloween. I'm gonna dress up as a Babba Duke for Christmas for the Christmas party. There you go. Instead of Santa Claus sitting on the lap, You're gonna sit on the Baba Duke's lap. I'm down, dude, I'll do it. Don't think I won't. So here we go with the Babba Duke. The Babba Duke is a supernatural horror movie in which a mom named Amelia and her son Sam find an unsettling children's

book on their bookshelf. As they begin to read it, they discovered that the Boogeyman in the story is real and that their lives are in danger. We kept the synopsis short because we're gonna go like really in depth in this movie. The movie starts out with the mom named Amelia, but we're just gonna call her mom because she's the mom in the movie. First, before we even start. Actually, I just want to let you guys know how

good the acting is in this movie. The acting is so good. I honestly believed for a moment I was watching like a documentary of these people's lives. Dude. The mom acts literally like a mom who hasn't slept, is so exhausted mourning her husband's death. The loneliness she feels, the stress, Like, wow, it's it's really done. Well, you know what's really gross? What when she's like all vibrator being on herself and she's like and then the kids liked and she gets so mad. That's so real. That's

so real. I mean, I obviously don't have a kid, but like I have cats fucking me. I at, okay, this has actually never happened to me, thank god. But yeah, I've heard friends of mine where this is happened, and it's we've been on the other side, dude, walking it on. Yesn't say it's happened to us as kids. Fucking gross. But one time my husband and I were being intimate and I was

on top and he heard our kid turning the doorknob. So when I went up, my husband rolled out from under me, off the bed, off the side of the bed, onto the floor. When my kid walked in, he just saw me on the bed and he was like mom, And I was like, sometimes mommies just sit naked in their room. Next time knock. So literally, to this day he'll knock and be like, are you dressed? And he thinks I'm the weirdo. Husband was totally clean in

this situation. Dad's not a weirdo, just me. Sometimes you're just naked in your room. Man, how often do you call me? And I'm like, Hey, I've been naked in my room every time I call you, which is a lot. We could talk a lot. Okay, So the movie starts out with the mom Amelia. She is super exhausted, super sad her husband died on the way to the hospital to have their son, Like how tragic is that? And that's why she hates her son that day

and it manifested it a lot. Yes, so not only is her son's birthday ruined, but now her relationship with him is kind of already ruined. When you're planning or having a kid with someone, especially like her situation, she was married, they wanted the kid, they were in love, and then all of a sudden they were taken away from you. You for sure feel resentment. There's no way to not. And Sam her son, he is like a typical little kid. He's high energy, he doesn't sleep,

he wants to be played with all the time. And it's hard, especially because at school he's not really getting any of those outlets met because everyone thinks he's weird. He still believes in monsters. He's not like these other kids on their phones and shit, like, He's just a regular her kid. So he gets picked on, and then now he has to go home and tell his mom about of a day he had, and then she works at

Old Folks Home, so she's having a shitty day. And it was just so funny how they kept saying, like how bad it was to work at all Folks on because I've been applying and now I'm like, JK, no more for me, YEA. So one amazing thing about Sam is that he starts seeing a monster in his room. And what would most kids do? Hide under their bed, ask their mom for help, call for their mom, go sleep in their mom's room. Sam does a step ahead he makes

weapons. He starts crafting homemade weapons that are so much it it. I want to know who made these. And they all work when you watch the movies, you see them later he uses all of the weapons. We'll get there. Okay. I love this kid because he's going to school and he's being like a fucking crossbow to school and he keeps a handmade crossbow and he keeps poppers in his pockets. That's like a surprise, dam like a little ninja. Yes, he's so cute. He's such a cool kid. I

love him. Annoying is all hell. But Amelia's at work. She was like already late this morning. I think she even had like some shit on her shirt. She just didn't look that well kempt. And all of a sudden she gets to cough from the school. It's sure enough. Sam brought his crossbow, which is not allowed. Everyone knows that. That's plain common knowledge and I can't bring weapons to school. But it was like show and tell, and he really wanted to roll the class what he made. Yeah,

so he gets in trouble. They literally talk about expelling him, and she's like, you know what, you guys just don't care enough about my kid, and I totally did feel that when they were talking about him, you know, they were like, well, we've had problems, okay, then give him a little more time. Their solution was either to expel him or to put him in a class all by himself. Yeah, what is that going to do? So stupid? Yeah, I can't even get into

that right now. So you know what, she's like, fuck that, I want to take him home and we're gonna find a better school. And I didn't really want to do with you guys right now. So basically that night, she already have a bad day, as we said, and he's like, can I pick a book that we read tonight? And she's like, you can pick whatever book you want. Let's just get the story time

over with. And I feel like this sometimes my kid, I read him a book every night, or if he reads us and I've been there where he wants to choose like the longest book we have, so he knows that I'm trying to not be in there. I want to go to sleep, So he chooses a book off the shelf, a big, beautiful red one. Never seen this book on the shelf before. Even she was like, we're look at this. He just shrugs, and I'm gonna let Himilla's take

it away. So they opened the book and it's really like sketchy art style. What was the book called mister Bob adook right? And the cover is just red has a little black silhouettis and guy in a hat. What starts off like this? If it's in a word or it's in a book, you can't get rid of the bab a duck, Bob a duke. But if you're really a clever one and you know what it is to see, then you can make friends with a special one, a friend of you and

me. A rumbling sound, then three sharp knocks Bob duke, duke duke. Then you'll know that he's around. You'll see him if you look. And they open up the little dresser and it says Bob a duke duke duck in it. The best part of the movie is for sure, there's a picture of like the scary ass guy and a hat and a long strenchcoat and he has like a scary smile and says this is what he wears on top. He's funny, don't you think. Now see him in your room at

night and you won't sleep a wink. I'll soon take off my funny disguise. Eyes take heat of what you've read. And once you see what's underneath, you're going to wish that you were dead. That's what I stopped for then. And then he starts crying yes, and she starts flipping through it a little bit and she's like, whoa, this is gone. So she tries to make him feel better all night. And this is where Sam. He cannot stop thinking about the Babba Duke, and he knows it's what's making

him stay up all night. Like he knows that's what he's been seeing. He knows that's what he's been hearing. And he starts obsessing over the Baba Duke and protecting his mom. He's really careful to not let him in. The whole thing is you have to let the baba duke in. You let him in, You let him in? Yes, And so he'll like be screaming at school, don't let him in. Don't let the baba duke in. And he's like making his cousins and his friends. I'll be like,

what the fuck is a baba duke? Your crazy kid? So after a few sleepless nights for both Sam and Amelia. They start noticing strange things happening, like the doors are opening and closing by themselves. They both hear weird sounds and Amelia finds glass in her fucking food. Yeah, not in the kid's food, And at first she's convinced that it's Sam pranking her. She's

like, why would my kid put glass in my food? She's so mad about everything with the Baba Duke book because Sam won't stop talking about it, that she takes it and she rips it to shreds as much as she can. You know you're ripping it up with anger. You throw it in the trash and she thinks, I'm done with this. I wash my hands of this. We should be fine, and she yells at him. Never talked about it again. Well. In light of Sam's birthday being his dad's dea

day, she usually has Sam share birthday with his cousin Ruby. I think yes, Ruby, And in light of Sam's recent behavior, Ruby doesn't even want to be associated with Sam, let alone have him out her birthday, so they still go to the party that's family and Ruby is so mean when they like showed the two kids having like the alone time in the tree house. I want to hit her mouth. She's really Snoopy, snooty O the donk. Snoopy's nice. Yeah, not me my eighteen year old job.

Fun fact, guys, I used to be a Snoopy impersonator or whatever in the Snoopy costume. Yeah. I did that for like a whole summer rode right before I was pregnant. I was the Snoopy impersonator for MetLife conventions. Yeah. I did three conventions. I'll show you the video. I was known as the dancing Snoopy. Yes what? And I literally only got the job because I could fit in the suit. I had no skills, and I guess Snoopy doesn't talk, so I didn't really have to do anything.

I don't even know how you don't know that about me. That's like, really, I apologize for all the interruptions. Guys. My sister just found out a very crazy fact about me from ten years ago. She really didn't know that I used to be Snoopy at my Life conventions for a summer before I was pregnant, and she just watched a video of me dancing at Snoopy. I'll have to figure out how to post this video so you guys can see it, and yes, that is really me. Someone offers you thirty

bucks an hour to be a dancing dog. I mean, do you believe in your resume? They were like, what does this even mean? Oh? And the suit was so hot that when I would dance like this, I would let air in and I would be like, oh yeah, That's how I started dancing, was to be able to breathe. Okay, you're talking about snow tea little girl. Yes. At the birthday party, Ruby is snoot Tea, not snoopy, and she starts bullying Sam about how no

one likes you, not even your own mom. Your dad didn't like you so much that he died instead of being with you, and he can't handle it anymore. And he's like, you know what you're gonna eat? By the fuck bob a duke And I can't wait. Dude, this whole girl is so mean. You don't even have a dad. You don't deserve a dad. She deserved being pushed. So in response to that, he yep, he pushes her out of the treehouse. She spins in the air and lands right on her face. She breaks her nose in two places. And

they fucking kick them out. They're like, get out of here. Leave. So while they're in the car, Sam starts screaming, don't let him in, don't let him in, don't let him in, and she's like, what are you talking about. She like slams on the brakes and she's like, why can't you just be normal? I was gonna say, have y'all seen the memes? That's the meme right there. When she goes,

why can't you just be normal? And the kid just goes He screams at her and then he starts having a seizar and she's like, oh shit. I like when she starts singing with Baba Duke and she runs into that guy, he's like coming out of his driveway or some shit, and like he hits it and they get out and he's like screaming at her and yelling at her, and she just goes back in the car and drives off. I'm not dealing with this shit. Yeah, I'm haunted by a ghost man.

I don't know. I'm not doing this or son as a seesar. She takes to the doctor and you can see how tired this girl is and she tells the doctor She's like, can I please just have sleeping bills for this kid? He won't asleep. I'm a't sleep. I was eating glass last night for dinner, So just fucking help us out. And then you can even tell the doctor didn't want to. He was like, h fine, I'll do it. He gives up sleeping pills, and that night she goes

home and she's like, take the spell. He didn't want to say. Good. He's like, mom, if I go to sleep, you're gonna die. She's like, guess I'll die. Then she's like, good, yeah, I want to cool. All it means I sleep cool length. But she finally gets to sleep and she wakes up, and you know, she thinks she's looking up. You ever have that feeling where you just you wake up after finally sleeping and you feel so good. That just happened to

me today. I went to bed at like eleven last night instead of like four am because I've been playing Animals two. And then I woke up a six day. I don't sleep. So she wakes up and she hears a knock on the door. She opens the door, no one's there. She closes the door, knocks again. She's like what the fuck And on the doorstep, Lo and behold, she finds old mister bob a duke reassembled, not a new one, the same one that she ripped to shreds, is

taped back together on her doorstep, and this time it looks bigger. It's like a thicker book. Well, all of the book is the same, but there's more. Yeah, so she decides to read that part. Yeah, so it starts after what we just read, and she opens it to a page and it goes for those who think that's just for kids, this thing is not for me. I urge you not to say those words. Please take this seriously, because like she's definitely not taking this seriously. She

still thinks her kids just being crazy. There's just no way you're off the hook. If you're all grown up. When you read this book and you snub your nose with a civilized look, you'll appeal even more to the big Bubba Duck. And this is what he'll say. I'll wait here with you. I'll make you a bet. The more you deny me, the stronger I get. You'll then be my puppet, my plaything, my pet.

I'll make you do things you'll be sure to regret, and then it shows her like choking a dog bugsy, It shows her choke and her own kid. It shows her with this really cool little animation of her like splitting out. It's really well done. It's so good and it's so creepy, so scary. I totally see why he's about one hundred dollars on this fucking book. And then it comes out it's like a big scary picture of his face, and she fucking closes it again and she's like, I'm done. Nope,

this thing is scurry. So what does she do with it? She burned it, and she decides, obviously, whoever is leaving me this book knows where I live. So she does what anyone normal would do. She goes to the police station. And at the police station, as she's telling them I'm being stalked, he left this book with images. It was disturbing, and they're like, can we see the book? And she's like,

well, I don't have it. I burned it. As the cop is replying to her, there's a coat rack in the back and she kind of has a double take at it, and she sees the Baba Duke does like this like hand flare with his like sharp claws, and she gets out of there because she realizes that the Baba Duke is saying, the cops can't help you. Girl. After this incident with the cops, she realizes no one can help her, and she ends up doing what most of us would do.

She wants to lock herself in her house. She locks all the windows. She does all this stuff, and Salmon's being even worse but actually better, like he knows it's getting worse, so he's preparing even more. She catches him with his weapons. She gets so pissed, and she's turning so scary that even the dog won't go to her. And you know how that feels when your pet won't come to you. It breaks your heart. So she was already mad, and now her dog like growled at her a little

bugsy. She was like, oh okay. So Sam is afraid of his mom because she's been fucking crazy. Man, I'm afraid of his mom. He's like, I need to call the nice old lady down the street. And when he calls the nice old lady down the street, she catches Sam on the phone and she grabs a knife. And I didn't know she was gonna do with this knife. Dude, I just saw the book. I knew what she was. So she looks at Sam and she's like, what a wack dude to make you listen to me this? And she gets the

knife and she cuts the phone line. She ends up having hallucinations where she violently murders her own kid. Dude. It's scary and at first second, you know, you think it's real and you're like, what, that's how they have this movie? But no, At the same time, she actually has a vision of her husband, like the Baba Duke turns into her husband

and like caresses her and not her husband. But she's so desperate for like his touch and being with him again that she lets the Babba Duke embrace her, and when they make eye contact, it says, bringing me the boy. Well, also, the only thing her like a husband illusion thing will say to her at first is it looks like rain, which is probably the last thing he ever actually said to her, you know, yeah, and that phrase haunts her, so she's like, I'm not going to bring you

the kid. At this point, she realizes that it's real and it is like over her in the room, and she actually lets it possess her, she let it in. She gets possessed by the Babba duke. The one thing Sam always screams, don't let it in, while she did. And this goes on for a few days. You see a good about it these people's lives. When she calls Bugsy over to her this time and he growls at her and runs away, she chases it down and she kills him.

She breaks his little neck. I cried. I couldn't believe that. Why did they keep killing dogs in movies? It was such a little fuzzy baby. The cps come before or after she kills a dog, and before we missed it. It's fine. That was my favorite part with the cockroaches. Oh shit, it's fine. We'll say that now. We kind of skipped over it. But it's whatever. But my favorite part of the movie is

when she starts cleaning. She just wants to like clean, and she sees like this little hole behind her fridge, and she liked, what the fuck is this? I've never seen this before. She goes on, she like rips the wallpaper and there's like a hole and she like touches the hole and cockroach just go out. Oh my god. I don't know if they made this movie scene specifically for us as kids. But bugs are scarier to me. I was gonna say, it reminded me of how we grew up.

Dude. Yes, bugs are scarier to me than any kind of monster villain thing you could possibly show me. And that was just this is the trifect of scary stuff. Oh God, the whole movie has been boiling down to Sam fighting the bob a duke And where is the Boba duke? You might ask, It's in his mom, it's possessed her. I was gonna say, it's in his mom. Now, I'm like, he can tell his mom is not acting the same, actually has like dead looking her eyes.

And he's like, you let it in. Bugsy is no longer there to help protect him too, And he's like, mom wears Bugsy and she's like, oh, he's hurt, Sam, you gotta let me in. We gotta take him to the hospital. We gotta help him. And she's like trying to get in his room. Is this when she jumps on and she's like fucking monkey kicking that chip. Yes, doesn't that kind of remind you of Hereditary When she's doing that on the ceiling, Remember, you know what.

It really reminds me of the game Rampage. When you climb up the building you kick Yes so good. So she tries to get in her kid's room and ask she's speaking to Sam. You can see how little patience that Baba Duka even has with him, and his voice starts coming through the mom's voice. So she jumps on the door frame and she starts kicking it and when she opens that door, I don't think she was prepared for the fight this little boy. First, he has a catapult that launches like a poolball

right at her head. That makes a clunk and that hurts. And then he shoots her with his homemade dart gun and she's like, oh my arm. And then he's like flashbag wow, disappears with a little fucking poppers. He's so cute. He's like, I won't get him take you, mom, I won't let him hurt you. He fucking lures her down to the basement where he had ropes to trip her, so she fell into the middle

of the basement. She got knocked out, and then she woke up tied to the entire floor of the basement by her like six year old kid. And it's like the cutest way a kid would tie up an adult like her head, her like like her fingers. Like the weirdest tying up of someone you've ever seen is how Sam ties up his mom. That's why it was realistic, though, because that's like a kid being like, I don't know what to do, but like I'm here. He's so sweet. He's like,

I won't leave you, mom. I love you mom. And she's like and he's like squeeting trying to eat. He's like, I love you so much, and then he goes, it's okay, I know that you don't love me, and I'm like, oh. After this part, he tells his mom like you have to let it out, like you can't keep it in you and then she throws up black licorice. Well, first she tries to strangle him for real. She hats her arm free from the ties.

She starts choking him out, and he does this thing to her when she's really upset, where he like pets her face, like right on her cheek. He starts petting her face as she's strangling him, and that actually makes her snap out of it. She like gets up and she looks like she's gonna throw up and all this black shit comes out of her mouth, black liquers, all this which happens to me when I eat black lickers too, because it tastes like shit. I was gonna say, that's how I

look when I brush my teeth with the charcoal toothpaste and he spit. It's all black, dude, that's her taste. Gross, so gross. So it's as like it's gonna make everything clean. It's fun. I tried him. Like, So, now that the Babba Duke expelled from her body, her and Sam were prepared to fight. She's not gonna let this thing take her kid. Yeah, it's been a hard for six years, but she's not gonna let this shit happen in her house. So her and Sam hide

upstairs and she yells at him. Now the little boy looks at the mom and she goes, Mom, you can't get rid of the Bobba Duck. And remember it takes Sam. It drags him all the way, and she starts screaming, you're trespass in my house. Getto like, she really fights this thing, Like he comes in her room. It's like a whole thing. And she stands up to this monster in her house and it tries its best to scare her, but she's not afraid of it anymore. She scares

it. It screams, and it flies all the way into the basement door and locks it. And that's where you think it ends. Classic ending, no movie, the mom stands up for it, not possessed anymore. Cool. That would have been a good way to end it. Just kidding, but I think they actually ended it better. CPS comes over and they're like, Sam hasn't been in school in two weeks. We're a little worried, and she's like, you know what, it's okay. He needed some time.

We had to take care of some things, and we took care of it. I like that she looks at them and she admits, like, my husband died on the day I gave birth to Sam. It's always a really hard week for us. But he's getting his first ever birthday party on his birthday, Like we're trying. Yah SAMs like, it's actually my birthday today, And you can see how happy the little kid is. He just loves his mom. He literally just wanted to protect her the whole time,

that's all. And she just hates him because she's like, I lost my husband for you, sad as hell man. Yeah, and he's in the Magic He watches a super Scary Magic DVD and he shows his mom a trick and after the trick, he gets a bunch of bugs and a bowl and he gives it to his mom. Well, they're bearing the puppy in the backyard. Yeah, Bugsy rip And she takes it the bugs inside, and she goes up to the little basement door and she unlocks it and Sam's like, can I come? And she's like, no, no, no,

not yet. We were still working on some stuff down here. No, he knows he's down there, She's not ready to let him in there yet. This part's so weird. So when she goes in there, she puts the worms down, and the Baba Duke is there. It tries to eat her again, but she's able to calm it down. She stands up to it. She has to like live with it now. Yeah. So they kind of like make it their pet in a way. And if you remember what Amarilla's just read, it says you can make a special friend with it

if you really like tried. So that's what they do, and that's how the movie The Babba Duke ends. I know it didn't sound very scary from how we were describing it. It's just really worth the watch. I'm read the last half of the book, which is going to describe basically exactly what we just tried to describe. Right now, Bo goes dare to look me in the face, try to put me in my place. I will cause you so much strife, but you might. You just might get out with

your life. And it shows her screaming at the Baba duke, you're trespassing in my house. So he's telling them, you know you denying me makes me stronger. If you stand up to me. That's the only way that you might survive. Yeah, because like you can't get rid of it, you can live with it. It's a really good like allegory for life, being like you gotta stand up, might dive. You gotta stand up for

yourself, whether adult or child. Best to give me a home, put the welcome that out with a room of my own, except that I'm here and from you I have grown, keep me smaller in size. I might leave you alone. And then like all the little things open, it looks really cool, this looks really cool, And then it says I only said might dot dot dot if it's in a word or it's in a look.

You can't get rid of the Babba duck. I please don't be tempted to rip up this book and then it's another scary ass fucking picture of a scary ass face. I'm not the story. It's basically saying, yeah, the Baba Duke's weak now, but you can never get rid of it. It's stuck with you now until you pawn it off on someone else. Yeah, I saw your house or whatever, maybe because it did look like it was just stuck to the house. No, I think it's stuck on them.

You're right, I forgot the car scene. All right. What do you rate the movie out of five? Four point five? I very rarely get fives. I don't know. The kid was annoying. I want to know why they keep it as a pet. Even the pop up book doesn't like blame that much. You kind of have to infer. I don't know. I like deep explanations of ship because I'm a piece of shit, but four

point five for sure definitely like a Please watch it at least once. One of the best horror movies I've seen in a long time, and it's still fairly new ish, so I really like it. Would you rate it out of five, I'd probably say five. I watched it over again, and that shit hella scared me. I have a kid around that kid's age, and if he was doing half of the ship that Sam was doing that, it's scared me more. When I watched a movie to get really into it,

I really put myself in the headspace. I have for sure felt that exhausted. Yeah, you're a mom, so it makes sense. Yeah. So it just really I don't know, it just really like appealed to me and I was like, oh my god, I really like how it ends different. It does say in the book to give me a room, and you kind of like be my friend. I'll leave you alone, let you be alive. And what else are they going to do in the basement Just keep all her dead husband's stuffed down there forever. Yeah, and feed the

baba duke bugs. Yeah. Now the kid can like have a friend or whatever to have it, and they can turn into her husband and maybe she can like date it or something. I don't know. I'm just kidding. She's gonna fu the baba duke. Yeah, that's gonna be the porn. I make whoa Baba duke more like Baba cock baba dick bab. I'm doing

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it up. So I tried. I don't know what happens when I get on my computers. Weird ship just instantly happens. Okay, make it easy. Do you want to go first? You do want men to go first? The first? All right, Am Marilla's what do you have for us today? I'll tell you once I might be girth. So this story I found like a year ago, but it has to have been longer than that, because I said it was only posted a year ago. But I've had

this. This was posted a year ago on read it no Sleep and by someone named caw Door twenty three and it is titled Don't Go Looking for your Childhood Picture Book. When I was a child, I couldn't fall asleep without my mother reading me this book called The Sheep Ran Over the Dog. It was about the sheep that was tired of being led around by the sheep dog that herded them, so he got inside the farmer's truck and he ran over the dog. When the dog was in the hospital with a broken leg,

a wolf came and took the sheep's mom. Sounds kind of intense for a children's book now that I write it down, but I have many fond memories of my mom reading it as I fell asleep every night before the accident. That is, I keep getting ahead of myself, though, so I'll backtrack a bit. My mother died when I was eight in a car accident, and I had to go live with my aunt. It was okay, I guess, but in the move The Sheep Ran Over the Dog got lost and

no one could find it. Combine that with a lack of interest in finding it for my aunt's For well obvious reasons, I never saw the book again. By the time I was a teenager, I had forgotten almost everything about my mother. There were pictures, of course, but I didn't remember anything else. I don't remember anything she ever made me for dinner. I don't remember any stuffed toys she gave me. I can't remember any clothes she had besides the ones and the few pictures that my aunt had. But what I

do remember is her reading that book every night to me. I remember the way the sheep got the keys out of the farmer's house and running over the dog. I remember the dog laid up in the hospital with a broken leg, and the wolf taking the sheep's mom when the dog couldn't guard them anymore. I remember the sheep crying after that. Nothing. I majored in English when I first went to college because I thought I could be a writer. I didn't end up writing the Great American Novel, of course, but I

did get a job teaching English at the local high school. I was happy for a while until two months ago. That was when I went to go visit my aunt. We got to talking about my mom like we usually do. I asked about the book. You mean, that terrible book with the sheep. She asked it wasn't a terrible book, I balked at her. From what you told me, it was absolutely horrible, that poor dog being run over and that little sheep's mom dying at the end. I don't remember

her dying. Maybe I'm remembering wrong. Yes, for that book every day for almost a year after you moved here. She laughed at the memory. Anyway, why do you want to know about the book? I explained that it was one of the few memories I had of my mom growing up. She didn't seem enthusiastic, but she said she would go look for it. In the meantime, I tried to look for the book online, just in case I couldn't find the copy. That's when things out really weird. I

say weird, because there was no presence online. Nothing even close to what I described existed. And went on rare book forums and asked about it, but never got any responses. In the age of the internet and how obsessed everyone is with nostalgia, I found this very surprising. In the days where you can find fifty thousand treatises on a children's show from the eighties that only had ten episodes, how come no one's ever heard of this book? I

broke down eventually and hired a book detective my future job. Damn woman cost me a thousand dollars, but she did her job well. She didn't find me a copy of the book, but she did find out why no one has ever heard of the book besides me. Apparently it was published in Wisconsin by some independent bookstore that went under almost immediately afterwards, so there were only a couple of copies that existed in the quote unquote wild I didn't really care

about any of that after I heard what she said. Next, she got the author's name, Cheryl Waterson. It cost me two thousand dollars, but I finally found something useful. It took me about two minutes of googling, and I had an address eight hours away. I drove that weekend and hesitated when I arrived at the house. It was one of those big three story of Victorians that always scared the shit out to me when I was a little

It reminded me of the farmhouse from the book. A little bit before I could walk up to the door and knock, however, a young woman opened the front door. What the hell are you doing creeping around my house? The woman yelled, I stuttered. Was I nervous? Of course I was nervous, so I just blurted out the first thing I could think of. The sheep ran over the dog. She looked at me in silence for a moment. If I had to describe the look, it was a combination of

confusion and fear. You aren't going to leave, are you? The woman asked? And then come on in the house is what I would expect an old woman to live in, flower patterned cow can pillows, porson figures and glass cases, and a pile of cork coasters on the tea table, Not the house of a woman who was a year or two younger than I was. Was Sheryl your grandmother? She raised me after my mom died, the girl replied. I could definitely feel for her, considering my own past.

She was eccentric, not strange, just eccentric. I drank from the bottle of water she'd given me a couple minutes ago. When did she pass? About a month after publishing the book that you're asking about. Actually, her mind was already going a bit when she wrote it, as you can imagine with how brutal the book was brutal. Maybe I was remembering the book wrong. Anyway, you're probably looking for a copy, right, Yeah, I took another sip of the water bottle. Well, you are shit out of

luck. All the copies I could find I destroyed after she died. Hopefully your copy has gone too. I couldn't understand who would want to destroy a children's book. Why, I asked, She asked me to. She had some clarity right before she died and asked me to burn every single copy. There were a couple I couldn't find it, but I just assumed they were gone in some thrift stores, never to be found again. No luck with

that, I guess. But she looked at me. I'm glad, my girl mother brought some happiness to your life, but please get the hell out of my house. And then she kicked me out without much hesitation. I got the call when I was on my way back from Wisconsin. My aunt had died in a car wreck. She was half way to my place when she lost control of the car and went off the road. She had found the sheep ran over the dog. I was on her way to give me

the book. I couldn't decide what to do with the book. I haven't opened it yet, but I've looked at the front cover and it's more than I imagined. The sheep on the front cover had this sadistic look on its face, and the dog looked terrified. I remember the dog having its leg broken, but if the car hit him like it did on the cover, his whole body would shatter. Ooh, I have fund memories of my mom reading this. But my mother, my aunt, and the author died after

reading this book. Cheryl wanted all the books destroyed when she died. Maybe I should honor her wishes, but who knows. Maybe I'm going to get bored and just read it. Did I have a gonna read it? And then that's where it ends? It doesn't read it? Nope, what an asshole. I picked this story obviously because it's like a childhood book. There's a few books from our childhood which I can't find. I was gonna say, there's a lot of things from our childhood that we've even tried to google,

like our Eaty Mini Mighty Mo version. Where do we even get that? And they just don't exist ever. I picked it because it's like the Baba Duke. People who are reading that book are dying, but you can't prove it. Yeah, it doesn't exist, you know. And like there was the car accidents. Amelia almost got in a car accident. The baba duke well and her husband died in the car accident. So I don't know, I liked it. I also work at a thrift store and I get

some really old, weird shit. That's a good story. Like who knows if a possessed book is gonna come my fucking way. Not the greatest, but fitting. No, that's good, that's my story. What's your case? You're murder this year this year? All right? Yeah, I guess it is like our first time this year, you aim? All right. The murderer I'll be discussing this week is Lisa Snyder. Sounds like such a normal name, huh, And here we go. Lisa Snyder is a thirty

seven year old single mother of three. She suffers from anxiety and depression. None of her children's fathers are in the picture, but from the outside everything seemed okay. Yeah, she was struggling, but no one ever thought there was any red flags. Her children were taken away in the twenty fourteen were returned to her the next year. She ended up having another kid after that, hence the three children. On the morning of September twenty third, twenty

nineteen, Lisa went to Walmart where she bought a dog leash. Of course, it's Walmart. She specifically picked out one that had a capacity of two hundred and fifty pounds, which is a pretty strong dog leash. Lisa only had a five month old puppy at home. It's odd that she would choose such a strong leash. Dude, you wouldn't even need that, Meg, and your dogs are cute. Then she went about her normal day. Her

children were at school and her seventeen year old was out wherever. When the two youngest children came home, her eight year old son named Connor and her four year old daughter, Brindley. Connor told his mom that he had a horrible day, that he was bullied due to his weight. Same so he told his mom that him and Brindley we're gonna go in the basement and build a fort. On the way to the basement, he saw the brand new purchase dog leash on the table and was like, oh, can we use

that? She was like sure. They went into the basement and she went outside to smoke a cigarette. Some time passed, and she realized how she hadn't heard from her kids in a while, and not hearing your kids, especially young kids, is never a good So Lisa went down into the basement and what she saw she couldn't even comprehend. They're in front of her. She saw her eight year olds on Connor and her four year old daughter Brindley,

hanging by their necks from the dog leash on the ceiling rafters. Both of them. Next to their bodies lay two bar stools knocked over. So did they use one leash for both of them somehow? Yes. Lisa tried her best to get her children down from the rafters and free them from the wire on their necks, but for some reason she couldn't, so she ran upstairs and called nine one one. She then claimed that Connor must have hanged

himself and his sister because he didn't want to die alone. When the paramedics arrived, they saw the children still hanging there and they couldn't imagine how Lisa couldn't have gotten them down, so they had to do it. Once on the ground, they tried everything to resuscitate the children, but to no avail. Connor and Brindley were then taken to the hospital and put on life saving

equipment. There were still alive. Yeah, Lisa never entered the basement again, and she wasn't acting like a mother would in this kind of terrible tragedy. First she started telling the police such a bad day Connor had. It was kind of too perfect. Oh my god, he just told me he was bullied, and now this. She even started saying that he had threatened to kill himself in the past. She told the cost over twenty pounds,

but that he still got teased about his weight. And she started telling the story that Connor must have committed suicide and made his sister do it with him so he wouldn't die alone. I'm sure you all have heard of this case. It was all over Facebook last year. What had happened. People still truly believe that this little boy convinced his baby sister to commit this and speakable act so that he wouldn't die alone. Like, there are really people out

there who believe this, but it's not true. Lisa Snyder tells so many lies that she was trying to get away with the double murder of her children. Even at the hospital, she began to text her friends and family that the kids were already dead when they were on life support, and she began trying to make arrangements to sell her puppy. Police are smarter than most people give them credit for her, and they were seeing through all the shit that

Lisa was spilling. They noticed that how after calling nine one one, she never entered the basement again. Any decent parent would be right at their children's sides, especially with paramedics there. Hell, when my kid was at the fucking er for three hours with a broken arm, I didn't text anyone. I was by his side the entire time. I called you like three times. You like swim with my child a camp? Yeah? And I told you like the next day, like, hey, this is what happened.

They also found it suspicious how she began to immediately tell police about the bullying and all of that. She was ready and when they started to investigate, from all accounts from the teachers and the staff, they all reported Connor being a very happy child who never once discussed any interests in suicidal ideation. After three days, Connor and Brinley were both removed from life support. There was no brain activity, so she got what she wanted. They found so much

evidence on her. It was insane. There's a lot of evidence in this case where it's like people's text messages from her Facebook messages, things like that. On her phone, they found the following Google searches. September seventeenth, so about five days before the murders, she looked up carbon monoxide in a car, How long to die? Three days after that almost got away with

the best episodes? Two days after that hanging yourself. September twenty second, she allegedly visited a website detailing how to hang and on the twenty third she looked up does a hybrid car produced carbon monoxide? So, as you can tell her original plan. About a week leading up to the murder of the children, she was already researching some kind of carbon monoxide way to do it. I think she knew how messy that was. People think it's a lot

more peaceful. No, dude, you vomit uncontrollably. Your body will try to save itself. So unless you like lock them in your car or something, I don't know how she thought this would work. She also bought leash at Walmart the day of the murder, Like, really, that's a little too coincidental, plus the kind of leash. They also found images of Lisa performing extremely inappropriate acts to her five month old puppy. She fucked her dog.

One image showed the puppy performing oral on her, and the other image they found it's so disgusting, I want to throw up. It showed the puppy, the innocent little puppy, laying on its back, just being a puppy, her holding it's penis in her hand. She was holding dog in her hand. Why and then she sent these images, these horrible images to a number on her phone that she had named daddy. Oh that's the kind

of woman, Lisa Snyder. As you guys, They actually found out during the investigation from the school and all of that, that Connor had a physical disability. It was so severe that he couldn't even tie his own shoelaces. So here's a big ass hole in her story. Two nooses, yeah, feet and on him it was a clasp, but the class be part. Yeah, he couldn't even do that clasp, So there we go, right there, They didn't do it. They then realized that the wire around their

necks was connected to the beam on the ceiling. How would these two little kids, even standing on stools, throw that over, make sure it went over the beam, come down, and then it doesn't seem pausible that two young kids would know how to Yeah, they wouldn't be able to do. Kids are stupid. Police also wanted to know how could have talked her two kids into doing this in the first place, though, because it's a simultaneous thing. It didn't happen like one at a time. But there are some

questions that will be answered during the trial. This case is so new that it's still in the works. It is. On December second, twenty nineteen, Lisa Snyder was charged with the first degree murder of both her children, third degree murder, animal cruelty, sexual intercourse with the dog, tampering with evidence, and child negligence. On March twelfth of twenty twenty, she was reigned and they will be seeking the death penalty in this case. That's one

good thing that I can tell you. She is due back in court on June twenty ninth of this year. My sources for this case were Crime Online, Law and Crime Oxygen, Fox News, and McAll dot Com. I chose this case because in the movie The Baba Duke, the mom tries to kill her son. The basement is a big part of the film, and she kills the dog. Within this murder case, the mom kills her kids in the basement and she horribly abuses his dog. So yeah, that was

my case. I'm really sorry that we're starting off this new season with baby murder, but I just thought it fit really well. You love killing babies and we love watching movies for dogs. Die again. Guys, are so sorry. We're gone so long. We just really needed a break, but we're back now, we're back. Our next episode will be on the Netflix Film platform. It should be coming out Monday, our episode, so we'll see Yeah, we'll see you then We'll love you on Case We Die.

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