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#184 20 Years of Abusive Marriage

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Granger Smith Podcast Episode 184: I heard someone say: "Divorce is not a private matter." We all need community, we all need wise counsel around us. Join me as we talk about this topic and more on this week's podcast!

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Speaker 1

Just one of these examples of just a tough situation, and I'm so sorry that you're in it.

Speaker 2

What's up, everybody? Welcome to the podcast, Episode one eight four.

Speaker 1

Thanks for being here. It's been a crazy week for me. I have announced to the world something that I've known for a while now, that I am leaving touring country music, getting out of touring completely and focusing on ministry.

Speaker 2

What does that mean for me exactly?

Speaker 1

Well, that doesn't mean that I'm starting a church tomorrow or I'm starting a revival on What it does mean is that I'm going to serve my local church lower case, with my family and sit under the teaching of my pastors,

have them disciple me and pour into me. I'm currently attending seminary and so as I continue to learn and grow in knowledge, then then that the pastors around me at our local church, which is a pretty small church, they can then affirm for me around me the next steps in glorifying God best from my platform that way, and the reason I say it that way is so important to articulate it that way so that I'm not being self deceived, right, so that so that I'm not

I'm just not just announcing my calling from God that I'm I'm going to the ministry now, and and so I'm gonna go and start the yeee church or whatever. Come come one and come all, yeee church is now open.

Speaker 2

You know, it's not it's not what I'm to do.

Speaker 1

That to me, that's equivalent to a young freshman football player on a college team declaring for the draft, the NFL draft, and everyone thinks, no, don't, you're don't go into the draft. You're not ready yet. You need to learn under this the current quarterback or the current coach, and you need to learn how to how to be under leadership, how to serve. And that's similar to what is happening here. So that that might take ten years of me just serving the local church or more. That

time is not up to me. And I believe that God provides us with local churches with pastors and elders so that he could equip the believers for ministry through that, so that he's not writing messages on a cloud or shooting lightning down and writing in the sand saying you are called no offense to Moses here, you know, but

I don't think the burning bush doesn't happen anymore. Okay, all that being said, this is the most elaborate intro I've ever done for the podcast, but I felt like I need to say it because a lot's been going on this week, and this is the first podcast I've done since that announcement. Here's something interesting though, Now that music touring will.

Speaker 2

Go away, this will be the last tour.

Speaker 1

I'll fulfill the rest of the dates and play the rest of the tour dates out and then when they finish up around Labor Day, I have a book coming out called Like a River, comes out August first, so then so then my focus will be on that and I'll have all that time freed up from music touring. What if during that time we do some kind of minimal city podcast tour, get out to your town, do a live podcast, you know, to a live audience, and you ask questions from the audience.

Speaker 2

I think that'd be pretty cool.

Speaker 1

The format of this podcast, by the way, if you're new to it, is I answer your questions, you email me Grangersmith podcast at gmail dot com, and I walk through without notes without reading your email beforehand, which, by the way, would That's why it would be interesting to have a live one where you just stand up, we hand you the microphone and you tell me your story, and then I could ask another question, because like one of my problems here with reading your emails is I

don't get to ask the follow up question like how old are you? A lot depends on how old you are, you know, something like that. Enough of this intro, Let's get to the meat of this podcast, what you came for, and that is answering your questions. Let me get to the first one, the subject line, which I have not read any of these yet. The subject line on this first one says I need some advice, says Granger. I've

been married for twenty years. I've given everything i've got to try and make this marriage work, but I just can't do it anymore. Since the first few months of marriage, my husband has been abusive physically and verbally. Let me read that again. Since the first few months of marriage, my husband has been abusive both physically and verbally. The physical abuses have only happened a handful of times, but the verbal abuse has gotten worse and worse over the years.

At first, he would apologize and vow to change. Now he doesn't even bother to do that. On a good day, I'm ignored and it's like I don't even exist. But on a bad day, the verbal assaults, the put downs, hateful talk is almost unbearable. For years, I have stayed in this marriage because God hates divorce. I also got married when I was eighteen, so I have never been out on my own. I finally got to the point that even if I have to get out because this isn't sustainable, I feel like I am trapped.

Speaker 2

He controls all the money and I can't even afford a lawyer.

Speaker 1

The abuses left me with diagnosed PTSD depression and anxiety, and a myriad of others their health issues which have left me unable to work outside of the home for years. I'm trying to push past my anxiety and get out in public more and more, doing some instacart orders, et cetera. But I'm not even making a dent in the cost

to retain a lawyer. Part of me just wants to leave and figure it out later, but I have kids and I don't want to make a quick decision that will leave us in a worse scenario, So I'm trying to wait until I can save up for a lawyer, but I don't know how much longer I could do this. Any advice message comes from anonymous, and so I will

keep it anonymous. And and all of us listening right now, me and then everyone listening to this podcast are just kind of giving that resounding sigh for you, because this is just one of these examples of just a tough situation. And I'm so sorry that you're in it, and and I'm glad that you emailed. I'm glad that you feel like you could have this podcast to grab an email. Maybe maybe you're desperate, maybe you've emailed a bunch of people, But I am honored in a way that you have

shared and been so vulnerable. And I want to back you up on your thoughts here. I mean, you're not crazy. The thoughts you're having about this are normal. I think it's an appropriate reaction in every way to everything you're going through. I think you're kind of processing this and you're saying I was young when I got married. I've been married now for twenty years. I've never been on my own. He abuses me physically a handful of times, verbally all the time. But I've got a lot to

think through. I don't have much money. I don't have any skills to have a job. I can't afford a lawyer. I've got kids. You're thinking through all this, and that's good, and that's good. As you know, there's not a quick answer to this, so me just telling you that I agree with everything you've said is a good starting point.

Speaker 2

But I'm gonna tell you something.

Speaker 1

It's ironic that I started this podcast by talking about my plans to go into ministry. And it's important that we could relate my story to your story.

Speaker 2

In one way. We need community, we need wise counsel around us.

Speaker 1

I heard a very interesting thing. I was visiting my younger brother, Parker, who is an intern at HBC in Washington, d C. That's Capitol Hill Baptist Church, and he's working as an intern under Pastor Mark Dever, and I was sitting in for the week with them, and I sat

in on an elders meeting. And in this elders meeting, they have a church body where membership is looked after, intended like a flock of sheep, and they guard the defenses of their sheep, of their flock, and the elders sit like under shepherds and watch the flock and help the flock, and encourage the flock, and protect the flock, and rebuke the flock when necessary. But it is a family.

And I heard a conversation in the elders meeting as they're going through conversations about people struggling in marriage, and I heard something said that I thought was so profound. But I heard them say. One of the elders said, when you're a Christian, divorce is not.

Speaker 2

A private matter. Wow.

Speaker 1

That's so profound and so provocative, and in some circles disturbing and intrusive, and in other circles it's so comforting and so fulfilling knowing that we don't have to walk through this kind of stuff alone. All that you're going through right now is indications that you are alone, and you're needing to make decisions alone. And I'm here to tell you I don't think you could do it. Sure

I could. I can encourage you to be strong and and and stand boldly against your husband and find a way out, or you stop this abuse and find an attorney. I could say all that, it's just meaningless if I say it, First of all, it's not true. And second of all, it's just not It's not possible without me knowing you and hearing your story and walking through this with you, side by side with you like an elder would or a pastor. I can't speak into it, but what I can say is that wherever you are doesn't

say there's a local church. And this is when it gets This is the most difficult part of the conversation right here.

Speaker 2

It needs to be a faithful church.

Speaker 1

Faithful in the sense of what they teach, how they teach it, and how they shepherd their flock, Like is the flock too big for anybody to shepherd it? Do they guard the fences?

Speaker 2

Like?

Speaker 1

Just thinking metaphorically on this, do they guard the fences of their flock at your church? Or do cheap just roam to and fro however they want? Can they come and go? Can they disappear? Can they do good things and never be rewarded? Can they do bad things and never be rebuked? Is that just how it works? Or are they closely guarded? Which one do you think is biblical?

Out of those two scenarios, one of those churches, there is a church like this with a tightly guarded fence, And that does not mean that they don't accept people to come in the door. That is not what we're talking about. We were talking about the members that are that are the good standing members that have that have invested in the church and gone through membership with the church that are then could be protected by the church body itself. I'm not talking about people walking in on

Sunday morning and they're not allowed in there. It's not what we're saying. Okay, So there is a church like this in your town. Maybe you go there, But if you, I don't think you do, because I don't think you would have said this in your email. You would have acted so alone. But there is a church that I would encourage you to go to and lean into and tell them this and walk through this with them. Don't walk through this alone. Don't walk through this. I gotta

find a lawyer's thing. I gotta figure out what I'm gonna do with the kids. Maybe I was too young.

Speaker 2

Is this abuse verbally or is it not. Don't walk through that stuff alone.

Speaker 1

Walk through it with with your elders, walk through it with your your church congregation, with the members around you. And the only reason I'm saying all this is because you said one little sentence and it mentioned God. It said for years I stayed because God. You put quotes around this, God hates divorce. You mentioned that God is involved somewhere. That's all I'm saying about it. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna comment on whether or not God hates divorce, but I'm gonna I'm gonna lean into the

fact that you believe he's involved. You believe he has a say in this, and I believe you're right, and I would lean in through the body that He has ordained that He has given us the lower case. See church in your town. Lean into that walk with them. If you don't know him yet, if you haven't met him yet, now's a good time. It wouldn't be a bad thing to just meet him and then go right into your problems.

Speaker 2

It's okay, did you know?

Speaker 1

That's why they exist to walk through brothers and sisters, walk through life with them together, finding out finding out how you can best glorify God from your position in.

Speaker 2

Your life life.

Speaker 1

Do the good and the bad. That's what I'm gonna recommend here. Let's go to another another email. Subdecline on this. This is interesting. Subdecline says allergies. Hello Granger, Please keep me anonymous. For all of my life, allergies have been a part of me. I always have egzema, hives, stomach aches, and reaction to gluten and dairy. I'm fifteen years old. My brother has had the same allergies as me, and my mom is even more sensitive than both of us.

Last August, someone from my church told me that when he was a kid, he had the same problem, but he prayed to God to take it away and it worked.

Speaker 2

He told me that if.

Speaker 1

I truly believed that God could take away my allergies, and if I truly wanted them gone, I could ask God and if it was in his plan, he would take them away. In the end, I was completely healed of my allergies, Thank the Lord. Now I'm wondering if I should tell my mom, whose reaction to gluten are much worse than mine, or should I just not tell her as she thinks that I have grown out of them me personally, would I be hating her not to tell her about what truly took.

Speaker 2

My allergies away?

Speaker 1

I love my mom so much and I would like to see her react to gluten and be and it be my fault.

Speaker 2

I'm sorry.

Speaker 1

I might have read that last part wrong, but it says sorry for the long email, love your podcast, love your music. Okay, Anonymous, fifteen years old. I'm not going to go into extreme detail here, but it sounds like you're you're you got this information from a maybe Pentecostal church something like that, some kind of charismatic healing church where they like fall in the carpet and get picked up. You're fifteen, and so that's gonna be part of my

answer is based on you're fifteen and not thirty. But listen, God is gonna heal when God's gonna heal, and we should always ask, We should always pray, we should always pour out our heart to God.

Speaker 2

We should always.

Speaker 1

Ask him for our request. But we don't expect healing in this kind of charismatic way, as if it's some genie in a bottle. And that's a little bit what this email feels like, like, Hey, I know a secret.

Speaker 2

I prayed a secret.

Speaker 1

Prayer about my allergies, and God healed. He didn't heal because he wanted to. He healed because it was a secret prayer that I truly believed that I.

Speaker 2

Wanted gone or you know something. However you worded that.

Speaker 1

We need we need to be very careful with stuff like that, because it starts to get weird. It starts to get a little weird, you know, it starts to get like TV evangelist type stuff when we start saying that.

Speaker 2

God gave me. God healed my allergies because I was sincere in my prayer.

Speaker 1

And if you do this, if you say this magic prayer and you're sincere about it, he will heal you too.

Speaker 2

Brother.

Speaker 1

It's starting to sound a little weird, and we need we need to go to the Bible. And reason I say, you're fifteen, it's this gets a little gets a little deep. But you can be reading your Bible and we could start to get an idea of who God is. You

said one little thing in here that I loved. You said, He told me that if I truly believe that God could take away my allergies, and if I truly wanted them gone, I could ask God and then this one little part right here, and if it was in his plan, lean on that, lean on that effect, make the prayer about that, Stop making the prayer about what I need to make me breathe better. It's okay, but don't make that what it's about. Instead, make it about what's in

his plan. God, I want to I just want to live in your plan.

Speaker 2

I hate these allergies. These allergies bother me. But maybe these allergies are in your plan.

Speaker 1

I don't know what, why, or what, but maybe God, maybe you need me to have allergies right now. Have you ever thought about that, like, maybe I need to have allergies for some reason. But God, let that be your plan and not mine. If you could take them away, do it. If you could take moms away, do it. It's annoying and I hate it, but let me live for you. Let me live for your purpose and your plan, not mine. You know, Paul had the thorn in his side, and he prayed and prayed and prayed for God to

take away the thorn, but he didn't. He says, is sufficient for you. My power is made perfect in weakness, So through your weakness, his power is perfected. Remember that when you're praying for healing, then don't expect it. Expect his plan to happen, but not for your allergies to go away. You could still ask, but remember his plan is the purpose.

Speaker 2

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Speaker 1

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Speaker 2

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Speaker 1

That's all I ask, really when it comes to this podcast, that's all I ask. I'm not selling anything. I just want you to listen. Let's get to the first question here. Subject line says should I date him? Hey, Granger have been going to try. I'm going to try and keep this simple. I've been talking to this guy for five months now, and I really like him. We both mutually like each other, but his parents won't let us hang out.

We've tried countless times, and his parents always say no. I don't know if I could be in a relationship with someone that I can't see them. And on top of that, let me say that again, I don't know if I could be in a relationship with someone if I can't see them. And on top of that, he's had his phone taken away for like three weeks now, little to no contact, and I don't really know what to do. Any advice, Yeah, this comes from Millie and Millie.

Speaker 2

This is super easy, super simple.

Speaker 1

Super super This would be the easiest answer I've ever given. If he is over the age of eighteen, then you need to have a serious conversation about this with him. If he is younger than the age of eighteen, a relationship's done.

Speaker 2

Okay, that's it.

Speaker 1

He's got to honor his parents, and you have to honor that he's honoring his parents. Next question, subject line says eighteen and confused with religion.

Speaker 2

There's that word religion. Hey Grande, I'm eighteen years old. I've been raised in a very.

Speaker 1

Catholic household my whole life. I choose not to get I chose not to get confirmed this year after finishing my religious education classes because I felt like it, because I felt like I would be going through the motions and not actually committing myself to the faith. My mother is very upset about my decision, and I feel bad about making her so sad. I believe in the Christian faith. I just feel like I should attend services with other

denominations before committing to one. The difference in the faith has caused problems between my mother and I for years already, and I don't know, and I don't want to ruin our relationship. I also feel it would be wrong to keep practicing the Catholic faith just to make her happy and to continue a family tradition. Any advice on navigating the situation, thanks all right. Question comes from Jenny. Thank you so much for the email. Jenny, I am not going to I think it's probably best if I don't

like get into Catholicism versus Protestantism and all that. Right now, I don't think we should do that, and I've done that before on this podcast. I don't think that's what this is about. So I'm gonna try to stick with what you're asking.

Speaker 2

First. I want to say your intuition about all of this is correct.

Speaker 1

I want to affirm your intuition. I think that you're approaching it from a very very shallow sense, which is okay, it's fine. I think if you want to get into the deep water, you gotta start shallow. Right we're walking out into the lake. It starts very shallow, and that's where you are. You're standing in toe deep water because it gets very deep after this, Jenny, And that's okay.

When I was eighteen, I wasn't asking deep questions. But what I want, what I want to dig into here is your I want to affirm your feelings on a couple of sentences. I feel it would be wrong to keep practicing the Catholic faith just to make her happy. Yeah, good call, continuing a family tradition, that's a good call.

Speaker 2

What else did you say?

Speaker 1

I believe in the Christian faith. I just feel like I should attend other services before committing to one. I kind of affirm that too. And what else here? Oh?

Speaker 2

Yeah, Yeah.

Speaker 1

I chose not to get confirmed this year after finishing my religious education classes because I felt I would be going through the motions and not actually committing myself to the faith. Yes, I confirm all those things. Okay, so I think you're you're you're thinking great, you're in toe deep water, which is totally fine. You're way ahead of the game of where I was probably at eighteen. And now let's dig a little bit more.

Speaker 2

Okay.

Speaker 1

So, so many times when I get emails like this and we're talking about religion and faith, those two words come up a lot, and they're usually tied together, religion and faith. It sounds like and it feels like we're talking about a good vibe lifestyle. It sounds like we're talking about a club or a like a fraternity or sorority, or like a like a master's class or something like. I've been really thinking about, like what if we looked at it as a master's class that you bought online.

I'm thinking about committing to this master's class because my mom did it and she thinks it's great, and I see that there's great benefits from the master's class and it's pretty cool, and in fact, I want to raise my kids with the idea of going to this master's class because it's going to make us smarter, and it's gonna just make us a little more peaceful and a little more relaxed or whatever. Like put any definitions or any adjectives in there. That's that's kind of what this

email feels like. And I don't blame you for it. And I think that's what a lot of people look at when they think about those two words, religion or faith. You choose yours, whatever floats your boat, whatever makes you happy, whatever's a good vibe for you, whatever gives you tranquility, whatever gives you peace, whatever, whatever gives you, whatever equips you to be able to kind of navigate life with less anxiety or something. Did you know that that's just

that has nothing to do with any of that. Did you know that that's just not the definition for any of that stuff. But that's kind of what we've gotten into now in the modern age. We think that the Christian faith is a good vibe. It's like a master's class. It's like something you do because it's a family tradition.

Speaker 2

So just kind of follow it.

Speaker 1

And just like repeat these words and drink this cup and say these things and kneel here and then go back into the world and like touch your chest a couple times and wear this and say that, and in return you just kind of you're just kind of living out fulfilling a family tradition and making mom happy and it feels nice. That just has nothing to do with the Christian faith. The Christian faith is a relationship with Jesus Christ.

Speaker 2

That's what it is.

Speaker 1

We're saved by faith, right, So if you're gonna mean saved, if you're being saved from.

Speaker 2

Something, what's the alternative death?

Speaker 1

So you're being saved by grace by the way, you're being saved by grace through faith. That faith is the mechanism that God's grace uses to save you belief, repentance, and belief. So if you're being saved through faith by grace, then that means the alternative is if you're not if you don't have faith, if you're not believing, which is similar to saying faith is saying believing. If you're not believing,

then you're dying. Not like bad vibes, not like I'm I'm I'm losing a groove, I'm a little anxious, not like I'm out of the family tradition. I'm talking about you're dying like eternal death versus eternal life.

Speaker 2

Now, that's what it means. This is not me. I'm just the mess here. I'm not making this up. This is not an interpretation.

Speaker 1

It's not like a translation error or it's not like something I'm just picking up. This is what the Bible says, and this is what has been taught for two thousand years in the faith.

Speaker 2

You can go back.

Speaker 1

We could read writings that go back thousands of years in this faith. That is what they're talking about. Is not a good vibe. It is not a tradition. It is not something that we continue to make our kids happy and raise them up in it so that they can have a nice, happy life.

Speaker 2

That is not this. But somehow that's where we have gotten.

Speaker 1

I am no, I'm simpile to get my mouth gets ahead of my brain. I am not blaming you for thinking this, because I understand what it's called is cultural Christianity in your case, cultural Catholicism. And I'm not blaming you, but it is a trap. And what I feel like, Jenny, because I feel like you might be elect and I feel like you might. You might feel the draw right now.

I feel like Jesus is drawing you. I could be wrong, but I feel like Jesus is drawing you, and he's opening your eyes slowly, It's okay, He's opening your eyes to some stuff here, like, hey, mom, this sounds great and I've studied these classes.

Speaker 2

But I kind of feel.

Speaker 1

Like this isn't the right way to do it, Like I feel like there's more to it.

Speaker 2

I feel like I need to.

Speaker 1

Go to another church or to or read an article or book or two, or talk to a couple other people that might give me a different perspective. I feel like I need to go out because why, because I don't know. Because something inside me is kind.

Speaker 2

Of stern a little bit.

Speaker 1

I would call that a draw.

Speaker 2

I would say that your Savior is drawing you.

Speaker 1

Once again, I could be wrong, because I'm not you, and I don't want to I don't want to falsely affirm you in anything because I don't know you and I don't know the rest of your story. But I just want to point out that this sounds interesting that you're now. You're kind of the blinder is kind of coming off around you, and you're going hm. Bible says this, we practice this. I don't think these two things add up.

Maybe there's more to the story you email me. I tell you this, do with this information what you will. But I would say, lean in to the draw, go find out.

Speaker 2

All right, I'll still let's hit another one here, man.

Speaker 1

I'm a lot of these questions are about religion, So I'm sorry, y'all. Maybe I shouldn't apologize, but that's just kind of where this podcast has gone lately. Next question says subject line Heaven. It says, Hey g, when you close your eyes and think of heaven in your own mind, what does it look like? Please describe? It comes from Lori, who's a longtime fan of mine in the music from Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. Lourie, what's up? Thank you for the question, and let's oh.

I love this question. M We can kind of connect it to the last question as well, and I want to make that connection, but let me repeat it because it's super short.

Speaker 2

Hey gee, when you close.

Speaker 1

Your eyes and think of heaven in your mind, what does it look like?

Speaker 2

Please describe?

Speaker 1

And instantly we think of like country music songs and we think about I hope heaven has a bass fish and pond and a creek that's just bubbling with fish and deer in the meadows, and I hope that all my loved ones are there and we're playing you know, football, like it's Thanksgiving afternoon and the weather is beautiful and I could fly and and I really hope that they have you know, this and this and this and this

this and then we give here. You know, countless country music songs about this kind of thing, and people people will describe it in ways that it's like, man, I love mountains, as I just hope there's just incredible mountains there, Like I hope they're just snow capped mountains, and and there's game in the woods and then and there's beautiful villages with streets of gold and pearly gates and there's

no tears. You know, we just kind of we think of this and we kind of go down this this long like dreamlike journey through our minds thinking about heaven.

Speaker 2

Now.

Speaker 1

I don't think that's a bad thing, but I think it's an immature Christian thought. And Laureate, this is this is not on you, Okay, this is this is not this is not a knock on you. This is not a knock on anyone that has imagined that Heaven hopefully has bass fishing. This is not I just I want to say that I think that's an immature Christian thought.

Speaker 2

Here's why.

Speaker 1

Here's why, because when you hear the Apostles talk about heaven, they're talking about one thing, one thing being in the presence of Christ, being in the presence of God himself with unveiled faces. That means, right now, our faces are veiled to Christ. They're veiled to God because.

Speaker 2

We can't possibly see.

Speaker 1

We can't see something so bright, so beautiful, so perfect, our eyes cannot comprehend it. We're going to be in heaven with Him with unveiled faces. Can you imagine for a second everything that we've mentioned about heaven, everything that you've thought would be in heaven, because you've seen it on earth and it's like the best version of what you've seen on earth. You've seen you can imagine that being in heaven, right, So imagine everything you want to

see in heaven because it's perfect on earth. Imagine the creator of all of that stuff. Imagine the creator of that stuff is there. And I fully believe that once you're there you're not gonna want to see anything else, and not in a boring way and not in a methodical,

weird way. But I think when you see the creator of everything, and you see the creator of that embodies love and perfection and art and music and bass fishing and whatever else, all these streets of gold and green grasses and fish in the waters and game in the forest, when you see the creator, the visionary, the poet of all of that, You're gonna want to be at his feet.

You're gonna want to be right there at his throne and and just soak that in and just say, guys, I want to be here, and I just want to worship you, and I want to gaze on you with unveiled face and just stare at you and that this is not If you don't understand what I'm talking about, then you might be an immature Christian.

Speaker 2

Then it's not a knock on you, because I've been there before.

Speaker 1

Most of my life, I had a veiled face and I had blinded eyes to this. But I think you could look at it like the equivalent of going to your favorite band, go to the concert of your favorite band. George straight for me right, So I'm sixteen years old and in the height of my fandom for George Strait, and I go see him at the stadium, and I have tickets for.

Speaker 2

The front row center.

Speaker 1

Right hypothetical speaking, I go to the front row Center. I got the tickets there, and I'm holding the tickets and on my way to the stadium.

Speaker 2

What am I talking about? Man? I wonder what's gonna be in here. I hope there's popcorn. I hope they I hope they have Doctor Pepper.

Speaker 1

On the fountain. I hope they have huge uh, Sonic ice. I love Sonic ice. Oh you know I love Sonic Yeah, yeah, Sonic ice and a big plastic cup and doctor Pepper. And I hope they pop Oh maybe they're gonna have hot dogs. I wonder what kind of merch they're gonna have? T shirts, hats?

Speaker 2

Oh, you know what else?

Speaker 1

I think about the chairs. I bet those chairs are so comfortable. I can't wait to see the chairs.

Speaker 2

What else? Oh? The lights.

Speaker 1

The lighting is gonna be so cool. From up at the top, They're gonna have light. Seriously, No, that's not what goes through the mind of a sixteen year old and he's walking in the stadium.

Speaker 2

He's thinking, I.

Speaker 1

Can't wait to see George straight. I can't wait to see him in all his glory, standing there holding his guitar, singing to me. That's what I care about. Everything else. This is going to be there, but it's secondary. I'm not worried about it. I'm not thinking about it. I'm not envisioning that. That's not my dream.

Speaker 2

I'm thinking about just him. And that's the way I.

Speaker 1

Think of heaven, Streets of gold, pearly gates, bass and the rivers, game in the fields, I've got, you know, flying ability.

Speaker 2

Whatever.

Speaker 1

I'm thinking about, standing in the presence of my Creator, standing in all of his glory, hands raised, soaking him in.

Speaker 2

Forever. That's seven. Love you guys, See you next Monday.

Speaker 1

Thanks for joining me on the Grangersmith Podcast. I appreciate all of you guys. You could help me out by rating this podcast on iTunes. If you're on YouTube, subscribe to this channel, hit that little like button and notification spell so that you never miss anytime I upload a video.

Speaker 2

If you have question for me that you would like me.

Speaker 1

To answer, email Grangersmith Podcast at gmail dot com.

Speaker 2

Ye

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