Episode 45 | Uncle Chuck is SUS

Got to talk fast. Got to talk fast. Got to talk faster, faster, faster. Got to talk fast. Yeah, it's called pegging, and it's heterosexual. I'm. I'm right, by the way. That's not, that's not like a joke. Joke where? It's wrong. I know. I mean look, if God didn't want us to peg, he wouldn't put the G spot in the fucking butt, OK? What's the welcome? Do it. Do it. Welcome to an oral review of Archie comic Sonic the Hedgehog.

Acknowledging that the language of politics is extremely confusing, frustrating, and pedantic. Most of the time people don't know what they're talking about, or worse, they know too much about what they're talking about and don't say anything at all. But knowing how to navigate and adapt that language to different people without totally prop compromising your values is a very useful skill. I'm Nick and except for this intro, I wrote the script.

And I'm Dominic, and except for this intro, I haven't read any of today's script. Sorry for the late episodes, I've been very very busy with work and I have not been able to write. Luckily Dominic has really stepped up and did some live streams for us on the channel. We appreciate that, Dominic. Great job. That was a lot. They were a lot of fun.

I enjoyed it. It's, it takes a lot out of me because I'm going deep back into like my college days learning music theory and all that stuff and. He was just high and drunk the entire time, so he's really reaching. High and drunk on knowledge like that music theory. In theory, he was drunk and high. Look, I spent, I spent 10s of thousands of dollars on that, on that degree. So someone's going to learn from it, right? Hey, man, I like that threat. It's a good threat.

Let's teach our audience music theory or else. Yeah, right. I shouldn't say this out loud, but like that should be another thing is just at the end of every episode you just teach me something new. That's kind of like the intro like for instance, like Speaking of the intro, I was mostly coming at that from like the the leftist infighting that's very prevalent always like how, oh, there's oh, I'm a Social Democrat. Oh, are you a democratic socialist?

And then like proceed to fight for three hours while a fascist shoots both of you. That's that is that is basically what has been happening for the longest time. It had an uptick in the Trump years because you know, Trump and then here in 2025 in the second Trump administration, it is once again taking taking root.

But you can you can also extrapolate from that intro, like we live in Chicagoland and there is a obviously it's a very quote, UN quote blue, you know, area, but there's still a lot of conservative conservatives, you know, trademarked period. But also there's just conservative thought in general where it's like, hey, maybe someone he really hates Trump, but they are totally in love with the police and they trust

them no matter what. Learning how to adapt to different segments of the political spectrum while talking to people without being, you know, finger wagging, talking to them about the revolution or whatever the whole time. Being able to approach that at different levels and just be approachable can be very helpful to actually making a difference and reaching out and making actual change. So there's there's that aspect as well.

Yeah. Nick's tired on I am educated so. This is going to be a rough episode for me. I worked like 10 days straight or something, or 11 days I don't know. He was giving me updates throughout the week, yeah. Yeah, And then yesterday was technically my first day off and I tried writing an episode and I just didn't. And after I finally acknowledged that I wasn't going to be able to write it, I went and watched The New Mission Possible, which

I, I don't know. I mean, my very quick review of The New Mission Possible 'cause I Know everyone cares is I personally adore it. I think it's a brilliant movie. If you were going to ask me if if if that was not a Tom Cruise movie and if that was not a Mission Impossible movie, would I still have that opinion? My answer is maybe because I love Tom Cruise and I love all of his movies. It's very anime. This is actually, this might sell you Dominic, who's who's the director.

It's still Mccurry. I think it's the the the guy filming at the cinematographer. I think he is like very anime with how he like did. He do. Creedments and stuff. No, no, no. No, you were talking to Michael B Jordan. Michael B Jordan was very, Oh yeah, anime fan and he was straight up like, yeah, I just lifted a lot of shit from anime

and did that in my movie. No, because like McCreary had a different cinematographer in the other movies and had the same editor for like the last four movies. So I don't think it is the editing and I don't think it was the direction. I think it was mainly the cinematographer. And there's just some very Yeah,

yeah, yeah. You might have to edit this down so it's more coherent, but I honestly think Mission Impossible, the new one is like Metal Gear Solid 2 or I shouldn't say Metal Gear Solid 2, because Metal Gear Solid 2 is my favorite video game of all time. It is a worse version of Metal Gear Solid. Yeah. But like it it it's very much lifting a lot of ideas from like the series.

I don't know if it's true or not if they did, but it feels the the core concept of the movie is that there's an AI that is trying to control the world and they're trying to go up against a God essentially. And so like the plot itself is already very anime because they're essentially trying to kill a God. It's AJ. Is this person of interest? Is this? Yes, yes, thank you. Yes, it's a very person of interest. It's very.

That's why I'm like, I love this movie, but I acknowledge that it might not be everyone's cup of tea. And. So Part 2 opens with 911. Yeah, 911 was the most important thing that happened in mission possible. It's the one one time Tom Cruise failed. Yeah, it was a yeah, flashback to the first Mission Impossible or whatever, or where it's like ADH Tom Cruise, and he was there at 9:11. Well, it's funny you say flashback because they do see, you can talk about Mission Impossible wakes me up.

I'm starting to feel the energy. You start saying flashbacks and it's very interesting because there's a lot of flashbacks in this movie because it's like the very last movie. And they're like, this is a reference to like one. This is a reference to three. This is a. Reference to two. Was that coherent? Was that cogent or was that kind of forced? That specific style and how they did it felt anime to me. And so to me it feels forced because I don't like when they

do it in anime. I don't like it when there's certain ways you can do it, but it feels like every time something happened, they're like, yeah, the rabbits foot. And then they flashback to stealing it in three and it's

like. Elude, okay, okay, okay, because I know in James Bond Specter, the second to last Daniel Craig one, they tried to do a big wrap up of everything where it was like, hey, everything is connected from the beginning of the Daniel Craig James Bond years, but it was kind of forced on top of the spectre being a lacklustre movie. So they were like, we can't end on this. We got to do No Time to Die and then they did No Time to Die and

it was, it was a lot better. I haven't seen Spectre no Time to Die, so I gotta, I gotta watch those. So yeah, my my, my, my opinion is if you liked the last Mission Impossible movie, then 100% see it because it's just more of the same. You'll also like the last Mission Impossible, The Yeah. Impossible. Movie. If you didn't like the last Mission Impossible movie, don't see this movie. And if you were indifferent, I'd wait until you know it's on streaming and then watch it, Yeah.

OK, sounds good. Let's let's talk. Hey, let's, let's, let's pivot gears to the real Mission Impossible, which is getting through all of these Sonic comics. Good, good.

I'm proud of you. That was good. We we are reading Archie Comics. Son of the hedgehog #32 release or rather cover date March 1996. How old were you in 1996, Nick? In March 96, I AM 54 years old. I am two years old, actually, like on the dot. I am two years old. I didn't know there was I didn't know there was that big of a gap. I thought it was a lot closer our. Age. Yeah. No, no, no. No, I'm. So much older than you.

I'm an old man. Blast from the Past Part 1 Written by Angelo De Cesare and penciled by Art Mcwhinney We open on the Freedom Fighters in a cold icy desert. They are ice climbing when they are suddenly ambushed by some SWAT bots. All the Freedom Fighters make it up the Cliff except 1. Sally, a SWAT bot with his robotic precision aim, shot at the rope that Sally was using to climb up the mountain. The rope gets blasted and Sally is now untethered and falling to her certain doom.

Tails flies under her, swoops her up, and flies Sally to safety. The team starts running away, with Sonic asking how on earth the SWAT bots found them. Just then, Sonic notices a robot dog with them. They tracked us with a robo dog. Robo dog? What? That's Mutsky? Buns chimes in, asking if Sonic knows the robot dog. Mutsky is my dog Bunny. He was captured and roboticized at the same time as my Uncle Chuck. He was my best friend and the only dog that I like better than

a chili dog. He even saved my life once. Robot Mutsky is charging the Freedom Fighters when Sonic holds up his hand like Neo stopping bullets in the Matrix. Mutsky, stop, it's me. Mutsky, stop, it's me. Sonic, do you remember? I have my other arm behind my like I imagine it's not on the panel, but I imagine for our listeners, Sonic is like fighting Mutsky while saying this and he's like he. He he has like sunglasses just like up here and he's got a trench coat.

In the climax of the first Matrix movie, where Neo does and then my. Kosky sisters read this and they're like, we're stealing this. My favorite idea, my favorite shot in like probably one of my favorite shots in all the film mystery like sequences is Neo doing the fucking one arm behind his back and just Agent Smith. Like owning Agent Smith with one arm. Anyway Musky stop it's me Sonic, don't you remember? Musky let's out a robotic bark and stops in his tracks.

The 2 lock eyes and Musky turns around and leaves with the other SWAT bots who have stopped their pursuit for some reason. The Freedom Fighters continue onward to find Uncle Chuck. The Freedom Fighters are shocked to see him. I called off that pot attack. Sonic, you forgot. Did you forget the Sean guttering voice that we agreed on for Uncle Chuck? I was, I was expecting like a like a Scrooge Mcduck or something, or something, like

something rich, you know? Though my mind is no longer under Robotnik's control, I still have access to some of his secret codes and equipment. But I'm afraid the same can't be shed for poor Mutsky's mind. He's still a bot, Sonic, and since he knows your scent better than anyone, he's your most dangerous foe. Sonic ignores Uncle Chuck's warnings, saying that he'd never believe that about Mutsky.

Antoine quickly quickly tries to rally the troops and continue their trek before the SWAT bots return. Antoine starts marching and accidentally steps off a Cliff, tumbling hundreds of feet. He safely lands on a pile of snow, but before him is a large caveman encased in ice. The caveman is holding a club and a paintbrush. He looks like a very stereotypical caveman but with pointy ears almost resembling a bat. The rest of the freedom fighters hop down and start examining the

caveman. His scientific name is Mobus. Orish Day Champions. I'm getting mondo bad vibes from this, we should leave. I I have the same reaction when I read that. I'm getting mondo bad vibes from this. We should leave. And where we found him. Roeder, seeing an opportunity to play God, says this. Look, I disagree, Sonic. It's possible that the ice preserve the Mobian. I think the humane thing to do is to take him back to Knothole and try to and try to revive him.

End of Part 1. Can I just get like a a a real good delivery of Mondo Bad and Sonic's voice? And Sonic's voice, yeah, that that line or just mondo bad. Just mondo bad. Mondo bad. Yeah, OK. We could use that for something. We could. And that's just I'm going to use that for something, I don't know what. Yeah, yeah. That's too good if we ever do streams again. Like do streams, You know, like the alerts? Oh, we will. That's in our. Future I'll do I will set that

and record that. Well, I have a soundboard and I'm like, I kind of just want. There's not much to say in this first issue. There's a few things I want to. There's a couple things. But go ahead, there's a couple things. The very first thing, I think it's a stretch to look at that dog and think that's Mutsky. I agree that dog. Looks nothing like Mutsky though with with Uncle Chuck it makes sense because he just he looks exactly the same down to he has a robotic moustache.

Mutsky like the the human form. The the animal form of Mutsky is this cute, lovable looking like yellow dog with some brown hair, almost like golden retriever esque, and then definitely a mutt. But you know what I mean. I mean, has to be a mutt. His name's Mutsky. And then this, this dog is literally silver and blue and looks nothing like him. So I don't know how he jumped to that conclusion. Yeah, it's, it's contrived in that way. I have. I think the freedom fighters are too.

We'll say chill about the fact that Uncle Chuck just happened to be there. Yeah, that was kind of weird because he's not supposed to be in the field. He is definitely more of a well again, you were. Surprised he was there. Yeah, also that. So like what? Yeah, that that that came out of left field for me. And you know what I'm going to say when he says. But I'm afraid the same can't be said for poor Mutsky. I'm just going to say, Uncle Chuck looks kind of evil in that panel.

He does. I don't know why he's glowing so much. I don't know what that is. He's literally glowing and he's got kind of some evil eyes going on. So maybe, maybe his consciousness isn't all that, you know, I'm just saying he's showing up randomly where the freedom fighters are without like notice and he apparently has control of the swap box because he was able to make them go away. I'm just saying maybe I'm called Chuck as a spy. On a he, he is compromised on a cellular level, right?

Exactly like holistically he is compromised. So I I don't understand. I mean, look, I do understand why Sonic was quick to because you know, that's that is a common weakness is to is loved ones and family. So I get that. But the lack of any kind of vetting or any kind of no one going hold up. Do we trust Uncle Chuck because this is the first time Bunny is a special case because her mind was never fully transformed. It was it was just the the limbs and torso.

We technically don't know that she might have a robot brain. I think in the issue this might be getting too into the was. Her head was her was her head sticking out the entire time I. Think it was, I don't double check. Saying that, I think I agree. I'm pretty sure you're right. Yeah, I think that's what it I can confirm in the edit, but I I think that's what it was. Now they knowing this comic, they could easily reckon that but.

Yeah, of course. For the most part, I I Bunny I I feel safe about Uncle Chuck bat mondo bad vibes right now. Mondo bad yeah, that that's and then my last thing is just I like I like Rotor's quickness to just be like, let's just sub freeze this dude and see what happens. Yeah. You know, maybe he's got like a disease or something that will spread. First and foremost, that second of all. Or or they have a disease that will kill the caveman.

Yes, that is actually the more likely thing to happen. Well, maybe not, I actually don't know. But it's it is. It's dangerous either way. And the plot of many science fiction movies. But yeah, it's, it's kind of crazy. I love it that that's Roeder. Roeder's pretty OG. He's pretty legit. You know what that's He's done that before though, right? He's just reckless with with his

science. Yeah. I yeah, I feel I can't think of anything right off the bat, but yeah, I think so. And I appreciate, I kind of appreciate that as a character trait because that if that is consistent, which it feels like it's consistent, that's kind of a cool thing about Roeder. I like that. That's like his weakness and I'm cool. Like that's a cool character thing that I appreciate. Yeah, and and I mean people need weaknesses, so. Cliffhanger. The movie came out in 1983.

Sorry, Sylvester Stallone. And I, I don't think it's emphasized enough just how influential that opening scene is because I used to see it all the time, referenced all the time. And a lot of other media, including like, I think it was in the second Naked Gun movie, if not the third. But I distinctly remember that, and it's been parodied a lot because that does that scene of Sylvester. School, the opening scene of Cliffhanger, if you haven't seen it, it's a banger.

I mean, banger is just a banger, but the opening scene is definitely the thing you want to watch from that movie. I I would need to watch it again, but I remember that scene specifically but that. Man, I have it. You can borrow it whenever I get back from Houston.

There we go, blast from the past Part 2. We are in Knothole village. Roeder has taken a glaciator from Robotnik, a device that shoots a ray and turns

everything into ice. He has reversed the ray to melt all the ice around the caveman, who has been given the nickname Moby. This process is going to take 48 hours, a little slow for Sonic. He's getting ready to leave for the day to pass some time when he accidentally bumps into the glaciator, boosting the firepower of the device, instantly melting the ice around the caveman. The caveman moves. He opens his mouth and lets her yell and destroys the glaciator, ensuring he'll never be put into

an ice prison ever again. Moby the caveman runs outside, swinging his club at everything and everyone. Buns quickly grabs the caveman with one arm and puts him up in a tree, once again proving she's the strongest freedom fighter. The Freedom Fighters are trying to figure out what to do with the caveman stuck in the tree when Roeder steps up and says Moby is way out of place in our modern world. It's got to be a total shock to him.

Give him a chance to adjust and I bet you'll see another side of Moby. Well, now wait. Moby was holding a paintbrush when we found him. Maybe he's one of those cave painters and maybe art is the way to communicate with him. I'll be right back. Buns runs off and returns with paint supplies. She paints a picture of Buns, Sonic, and Moby holding hands. Look here, sugar, I drew this symbol for friendship, understand? We all just want to be your friends. Moby grabs the drawing.

He was reminded of his old family. He had a partner, a child, and a dog. Sadness flashes across Moby's face and he runs off into the Great Forest of Knothole. Roeder hypothesizes that Moby was going back to The Cave where the Freedom Fighters originally found him. Sonic chases after him since he's the fastest dude in town. End of Part 2. I think it's really dumb that they felt the need to establish that the caveman is a cave painter and that's the way to

communicate with him. Because art is a universal language and so is music. It's the one thing we don't need to translate between people. It's the one thing we know that Cavemen knew how to do. Yeah, right. Proof that they did that shit in caves. Out of everything else that we've implied, the painting is the one thing we actually have concrete evidence of that we know that they can do. Yeah, yeah, absolutely insane that that was my huge call out on this one.

I also don't understand why we needed this whole rigmarole about why it's like hey the the glaciator takes 48 hours to do oops I bumped it now it happened instantaneously. Like what was it? Just just have it do it instantaneously. I. Think it's just adding to the idea that Sonic is careless. I'm OK with that. OK sure, it's just adding more character to Sonic. I support it. I guess so. I don't think, I don't think it was necessary, but I, I I can, I can see that point.

Yeah, and, and again, I'm, I'm, I'm glad that Buns is kind of a central character kind of on this one. Maybe, maybe not central, but she's she's doing stuff in this one. She comes up with the plan. She puts the caveman up in the tree like this is the first time in a very long time where I feel like Buns has been useful, which I makes me happy because we need more of that. Yeah, the last time it was her being chased down by that bus. Written by Robotnik. Driven by Robotnik.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So that's that wasn't too, too long ago, but it was it's enough where it's it's like which because she's been physically absent, completely absent in some other issues and it just feels weird Anyway, we've we've hammered that point a lot in previous episodes, but definitely acknowledging it, acknowledging it that she's not always muscle like she's communicating through art. And that's really cool because she is canonically she is a hair

stylist as well. That's her other side of her, which I think is interesting. It's like, OK, she's artistic, but also the strongest mother ever in this whole thing. So there's that as well. How do we just feel about the setup so far for the cavemans? Like, do you do you think this is? It's. Yeah. It's, I mean, we'll talk about it more as a whole after the next one, I think.

But it's, it's fine. It's very cliched, but I'm like, I don't know it. It's exactly what I expect from one of these kind of Looney Tunes esque issues. So it. Feels like that, yeah. I don't. I can't pin, I can't pinpoint an example right now, but I feel like thawing A caveman out of ice and you have a caveman out of time. Feels strangely familiar as an exact plot in Other in other cartoons. Was done in like Looney Tune. It's a very, I've definitely seen it in many things, so.

The first thing I can remember is Dexter's lab, actually Dexter's laboratory. I don't know if you watched it. There was that actually that one was done really well where it's the episode of Dexter in his hubris is like, I want to find all the great inventors. Well, who's the 1st inventor? Oh caveman they invented fire and then just brings a caveman to to present day and the caveman properly is like with the shit and then just starts hitting everything because it's

a caveman and I enjoyed that. There we go blast from the past

Part 3. Sonic is dashing all over looking for Moby when he stumbles upon him surrounded by SWAT bots. Sonic after 31 issues of using the Sonic spin to get out of every situation, tries a new move. He puts his arms out and starts spinning in place like a helicopter blade. He spins so fast he makes a tornado, picking up all the SWAT bots and throwing them far away. However, all his spinning has made him dizzy, and he accidentally crashes into a

wall, knocking him out. As he's knocked out, a familiar face walks up. It's Mutsky. Mutsky starts running towards Sonic. Moby, seeing this from afar, quickly grabs a rope, ties it to a tree, and swings towards Sonic, rescuing him much like Tarzan would. Mutsky was running so fast he runs straight into a wall, knocking himself out. Moby finds a large rock that he's going to smash on Mutsky's head when Sonic wakes up and tells him to stop.

Sonic then grabs a stick and draws an image of Mutsky and himself in the ground, trying to show friendship between the two. Moby picks up Mutsky and hands him to Sonic. We cut back to Knothole, where Uncle Chuck was able to restore Mutsky's consciousness. Uncle Chuck then walks up to Moby. As for you, my prehistoric friend, I can't send you back in time, but I can make our world a bit more familiar to you. We cut to a jungle. Not even not even Robotnik and his bots know about this Mobian

jungle. The environment's too harsh for modern folks, but you should find it just like home, Moby. Moby is ecstatic. Everyone begins to say their goodbyes when Sonic tells Mutsky to give him his paw. Mutsky detaches his paw and everyone laughs in unison. The end. So a few things how does Uncle Chuck doesn't know what kind of fucking environment this caveman knows as his home? He can't communicate that he

doesn't know. Yeah, the the caveman seems like he's happy, but I mean he's just happy because the scene she's never seen before and he's like, this is some cool shit. So fuck off Uncle Chuck. Also, if this is an area where Robotnik doesn't know about, why don't they set up not whole village here? Yeah, that's a good point. Like, that should be what do they do? Like, yeah, yeah. And also how does Uncle Chuck know about this? Like, what is he doing in this?

Like, is I don't, what is Uncle Chuck doing? How does he know about this? A lot of a lot of these plot points are just kind of made-up and pulled out of people's asses. I don't it's it's. I'm just saying Uncle Chuck knows a lot of things he shouldn't know. That might be giving them too much credit, but going along that logic, I concur. I agree but this this issue feels so floaty.

It feels so weightless. Which sucks because Mutsky is another Uncle Chuck. That's the whole point of both Mutsky and Uncle Chucky. Not Uncle, it's not too Uncle Chuck, it's just Mutsky. I I sorry, what I'm trying to say is it's. Being a tech. OK, you're being an asshole. Good. Is that the template? You sold it very well.

You sold it very well. The the the template of these two characters is the same, which is that they are emotional anchors for Sonic, which you've established before in previous episodes of the show, but for for for months again, it feels just as weight, even more weightless than when Uncle Chuck came back right. And it's it's like this caveman situation dominated so much of this whole storyline that I didn't really get a lot of whatever here.

And it's very strange, like, Tarzan didn't come, didn't come out until 1999. Georgia, the jungle didn't come out. Until 1997. I mean, Tarzan came out in the 19, what, 1020s? You're correct, you're correct. The movie didn't come out until 1999, so it's like we're not anywhere near a resurgence of. The Movie. Yes, you're right, You're right, you're right. Didn't come out anywhere close. Back to prevalence. This this story of a caveman lost in time. It does not check out at all but

but. It's such a famous story. It's and I don't, I don't consider this a Tarzan story like in any way, shape or form. Sure, but you? Know just the concept, you're right, you're right, just the concept of of jungle swinging caveman is just comes out of nowhere that's all I'm trying to say and. Sure, sure, sure. It's weird. It's weird that they would go this direction for the purposes of bringing Metzke back. I, I I don't get it.

What I'm going to say very quickly is it looks like there was a Tarzan TV series in the 60s. It looks like there was a Tarzan series on air right now. Oh. Like like 2025. No, no, no, no 91 through 95. OK, then you know what, maybe

they pick every now and then. I like it because we've established just a while ago that can especially, but a lot of the other scriptwriters, they, they take a lot of things from current like the, the popular culture of that time of like the time they're writing in and which is the 90s and we've

noticed that pattern. So maybe that it, maybe that's it. And then I just found out about a made for TV movie that came out in 1989 that I need to see called Tarzan in Manhattan. Tarzan goes to New York to rescue the chimp cheetah who's been captured by an evil animal experimenter there. He teams up with Jane, a cab driver and daughter of an ex cop Private Eye. That's that sounds perfect. I need to see this.

So there, there's all that. What I'm, the point I'm trying to make is that it's all I, I, I hate to use the word contrived, but it really feels contrived in this instance. Like what? Where the fuck did that come from? It's, it's weird. And maybe we'll see Moby again because they've established that Moby is in a safe place, that Moby can be useful.

It seems the the other thing I was going to say, sorry, is the safe place that they decided to put him, which was in the remote area of a jungle, I guess it seems like he should have just been put on Angel Island. That's a safe place. Yeah, right. For sure. Yeah, the floating island 100%. I I concur instead of making up this random thing. Yeah, not Angel Island. That's fine, that's fine, but like it's this, it's this random place that's just pull out of chunkle Chuck's ass for no, for

no reason. I, I don't, I don't like that cause 'cause they. I mean it's like my Gus says we never see Moby again unless if they tried doing some like Avengers end game shit where they're like let's get every single minor character we've ever had to fight Shore Robotnik. Because they've already built up. I look, I'm not saying you can't make new characters. That's absolutely not true at all. But you've built up such as this vibrant universe, truly that I you can.

Yeah, you can. You can you, you can reuse them to give them more staying power, especially if you're going to use it as a useless as a not a useless thing, but a rather a throwaway thing, right? Is this the same jungle that Princess Sally went on an excursion with during her mini series? Maybe cuz that was the other jungle environment so who knows, but it seems to be just something that I mean. There's not because Robotnik had a bunch of like. You're right, yeah.

Something I'm realizing, and I don't know if it's the skill of the riders or what. It seems like the issues without Robotnik are a lot less interesting. Yeah, which sucks because I enjoy when they having new protagonists I don't like. I love Robotnik. We both love Robotnik. But I mean, he's my favorite character so. Agreed, but for a a comic that stretches hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of issues for decades, I want to see other antagonists I want.

Like for instance, this is going to sound random, but Shrek the Shrek. Movies just on random. Yeah, I'm so glad that it wasn't just Lord Farquaad for all five of those movies. And the new one that's coming out, well, maybe I don't know, but for the movies that have been established, I'm so glad that it wasn't just him. Lord Farquaad was the first antagonist. And then just was defeated. That's it. No more of him. Every other movie introduces someone new, and I think that's really cool.

I think that's how most movies work, right? Not necessarily. A lot of the time it's, well, it's half and half. It's half and half really, where it's a lot of the same for a story of this type where it's very Saturday morning cartoon. It's just the same mother effers over and over again. That's the that's where I'm basing it off of off of. So I should have said like, oh, GI Joe, it's just the same Cobra mother fuckers every single time, right? We don't get new threats, we

don't get new antagonists. You. You you do. Specifically in the cartoon show. Yeah, yeah, you. I mean, they had to sell toys, man. There's so many different antagonists. They're, they're just all under the umbrella of like Cobra Commander of Cobra, you know? What? I mean, well, that's the point. I'm OK, Sorry. That's the OK. You're right. I agree with you. How cool would it have been? It's like, hey, it's not just Cobra.

There's other politics, there's other people in the world, there's other cells, there's other antagonists, and I'm sure there are episodes of those, but an overwhelming majority of them came from Cobra. And it's like, hey, how cool would it be if we just had a random mother fuck off terrorist group that was doing doing things? Yeah, I I haven't seen enough of GI Joe to talk about this intelligently, but I get the point you're trying to make.

Yeah, I I just remember from because I did watch a lot of GI Joe and it was almost always Cobra. I watched a lot of the revival and it was always almost Cobra and or we haven't I I'm just referencing something we talked about off off camera. But the and or man, oh man, they they they get it. They understand that shit. Anyway, moving on. You want to move on? Did you have any final points? I don't know.

Yeah, I don't. I don't have any final thoughts other than like, it was a boring whatever. Like, yeah, the best part about it was like someone came up with a plan that wasn't Sonic. I agree. That is nice, right? Coming up next here, Prisoners

Knuckles Chaotics Prisoners Script by Mike Gansernovich and Ken Penders. Penciled by Ken Penders. We open on the Chaotics team sans Knuckles in complete darkness, except for the exact spot they stand on, which seems to be lit by a spotlight. The team is trying to figure out what happened. The last thing they remember was fighting in the jungle with Knuckles. As they theorize. A voice booms overhead. Sorry to keep you in the dark, Charmy, but. Or wait, wait, This is the. This is the.

The unknown voice. But it's the Australian, Or do we not know that it's the Australian? I think it's the cricket. It's the Australian we know. It's the should I, should I do the voice? Yeah, OK. A voice booms overhead. Sort of keep you in the dark, charmy. But all I have more reasons. Don't fret though, we've no need for Espio's vanishing act or a show of Mighty's prodigious strength. All will be made clear. Vector notices a security camera and shouts out to it.

We cut to inside. The control room that we saw from the hunt is on in the Chaotic special #1 we see a shadow of someone wearing a cowboy hat or slouch hat and monitors watching the chaotic screw. You seem to know an awful lot about us and about Knuckles. But we don't know. But we don't know you from Squat. That's the way I like it, Vector. Still, if I will put your minds at ease, It's a problem which can readily be solved. A door opens and the crew starts walking towards it.

They find themselves in a futuristic corridor. They turn the corner and are met with the mysterious stranger. Everyone is in shock. To be continued. Yeah, there's literally nothing to say. It's until we know more. Like we, but we kind of know already who it is, kind of right. We know it's a cricket. Well yeah, because he like teleported himself or something. And was it the communion that saw him or something? Yeah, I don't know, but.

Then he was just like you. You weren't supposed to see me or something. It was dumb. It should have been. It should be Fang, the other Australian character. No, sorry, sorry, not, not the other Australian. We've had three Australian characters at this point. But it should be a lot of

Australian characters, yeah. But you'd be Fang the Sniper or Knack the Weasel, which is the, the under the mercenary hired by Robotnik that got knocked out multiple times by Sonic and Knuckles. I I don't know who it should be, but it's like, why did you need to make up a new Australian character? Well, what's the point? I, I don't I don't get it. This is the this is annoying and it's not leading up to anything that I particularly enjoy

because everyone's shocked here. Everyone in Chaotix is shocked. I don't think we're going to get shocked because who the hell could it possibly be? That's a we've never seen a cricket, a cricket Aussie character before. I don't get it. So it's it's dumb. I agree, yeah. That's it, let's just move the

hell on. Tundra Road Part 2 script by Ken Penders and penciled by Art Mahwinney. Nothole's freedom fighting Walrus Roeder received a distress call from his family home in the frozen North Sea. Princess Sally gave him permission to investigate. He was shocked to discover a nefarious theme by Ivor Robotnik. But before Rotor could contact the Freedom Fighters, he was clubbed unconscious and sent to a cold, watery grave. Rotor awakens on an ice sheet.

It seems that Celia, the seal from the displaced Arctic Mobians from Sonic issue #26 saw Rotor sinking and rescued him. A reminder of what Celia looks like. French, I was fishing for AD there when I saw you in the water and began to sink. I swam beneath you and push you back up to the surface. No offence, but this is not the small test. When I reached the nearest isoflow I tried to lift you without success. Luckily for us, the big boy was nearby.

Augustus Zipola Bear. Augustus was also a displaced Arctic Mobian. He looks like a polar bear. Rotor catches Celia up to speed, explaining the radio signals and explaining that Robotnik has hypnotized all the walruses in the Arctic. Augustus, Celia, and Rotor come up with a plan. We cut to inside Robotnik's lair with all the walruses standing around, hypnotized. The SWAT bots bring in a giant pink horse.

The SWAT bots bring up Robotnik on the video monitor to show him the offering a tribute to you by the other Arctic creatures. They left it at the front door of this hidden fortress. Isn't it a nice horse? And here's a note to Ivo from the Frozen Trojans. Robotnik gasps in horror. You fools, it's a trap. Augustus, Celia, and Roeder burst out of the Trojan Horse, easily defeating the SWAT bots. Robotnik then commands the Walruses to destroy our 3 heroes. Augustus quickly grabs Roeder

and brings him outside. They are standing at the edge of the ice sheet with the Walruses coming to attack. Augustus jumps into the ocean and breaks the ice shelf into two pieces, one with Roeder just standing on it, the other with all of Roeder's friends, family, and villagers. The walruses are unable to complete the order, standing on the ice island, starting to float away.

Roeder, quickly thinking, throws a tracking device onto their new home so that he'll be able to find them at a later date. Celia, Roeder, and Augustus watch as the hypnotized walruses float off into the sea. Roeder hops into his submarine and says his goodbyes to Augustus and Celia, vowing to return soon with a cure for his loved ones. End of Part 2. This is insane. Yeah. Like, so they, they just made like a little ice island ice boat, I don't know what you want

to call it and all. Like there's these like hundreds of walruses packed in like sardines and they're just floating away on this island. You can't. Leave like you can't just leave with them. If Rotor's leaving, he needs to come back like in a day at most because like they need to eat their animals. They're going to, they're going to either die of starvation or dehydration or just their muscles are going to collapse in on themselves because they're just standing there.

Yeah, right. Because the point is that they're disconnected from robotics. I'm assuming the implication is that they're disconnected from robotics hypnosis, but but they're just floating there. I don't. I don't think they're disconnected, I think. They can't receive orders. Can't complete the order that they were given and so but like

walruses can swim. That was the other thing that was confusing to me. So like that's kind of like, I don't know if you know this that's kind of their thing is walruses swim a lot. I I would say all the time actually. So the fact that the moment they were on this floating, floating island, it's not the terminology I should use specifically in this comic, it's these islands started drifting away. I'm like, why are they just not hopping into the water? They that's their thing.

Unless Robotnik made them so dumb that they can't even do that, which I can see being an excuse, but it is kind of weird. Whatever. Sure, the. One thing I appreciated about this this story is that we did revisit these characters from the from the displaced, but we only saw two of them. And I love that. I love that because that means the two of them had time to breathe and do things. I agree it. Was great, loved it. I felt more like, hey, these

were actual characters. I, I appreciate that the freedom fighters go around and they meet other people who are willing to join the resistance. Now, I don't like when they're branded and trademarked. We've talked about this before when they're branded and trademarked, as you know, down under freedom fighters or Arctic freedom fighters or whatever, or 40 fathoms, freedom fighters. I, I think they can come up with

unique names, right? Like like the, the, the people's Arctic front or something like that. Like, that's cool, That's nice. But anyway, anyway, the fact that the story gave these two. Path, Path. Yes, path and. Then they would get into infighting with the the front for the Arctic people, right? Something like. That and and then as they're fighting, then Robotnik takes over. Yeah, that'd be a cool story. That'd be a genuinely cool and sadly realistic story, timeless story.

But in terms of, of this of, of what we're seeing in front of us, that's at least nice that we get to see these two characters be a little. We get a whole, we get a whole page where Celia is talking or a couple pages where Celia is talking to Roeder and she is her own character. It's not a particularly deep conversation, but she gets to do her own thing. And then of course, we get the polar bear, Augustus. And, you know, not as much characterization, but there is some characterization.

He's a little grumpy. He doesn't trust Rotor, right? This, this is remarkably refreshing. It's not that great, but it's remarkably refreshing for this comic. Yeah. I not much to say other than I'm actually in agreement, that is, yeah. I'm kind of sorry if I'm doing a lot of talking and heavy lifting here, I figured you were tired but. I am very tired. Yeah. But I appreciate though, Nick, I appreciate you. Yes. The I do like the implication that there are Trojans at one

point. Yes, I didn't think about that. Because Robotnik immediately knew that it was a Trojan horse and they called it Trojans or something. I think the word of Trojans was using Trojan because my my phone died so I can't play with the comic anymore. They say frozen Trojans, that's what they say. They didn't need to do a horse. They could have done literally any sculpture or statue, but they did the.

Horse because it's Or they could have just done a giant present and been like this presence for Robotnik. Correct and still made the Trojan reference to me this just and it's not particularly deeper on the nose, but I'm implying this that it implies that there is like a the horse society that did the Trojan thing. Yeah, I think. That'd. Be pretty cool. Like would the horses stand or would the horses be on all force? Oh, they, they, they, they're on 2. They're on 2.

They're bipedal, OK. Yeah, they're bipedal. That's that's the sign of intelligence, I think. Oh, you're right. In this world. Mutsky. Mutsky is on all fours, yes. Yep. And he's dumb. I mean I might be wrong but that's the vibe I'm getting. Yes, I concur. All right, this this issue was kind of wack. Yeah, I mean, there wasn't much to say. Like it was just fine. We get lots of fun little loony tune.

Yeah, yeah, and and a weird distrust of Uncle Chuck now, so I don't even know if. That was. I hope that was the implication. If not, that sucks. I don't. I don't think it was the implication. I think I don't. Think so either like that's that's just a bad story to like. Yeah, you want to grab your guitar? Go. No, it's time for Sonic grams.

You can right to Sonic Grams. Oh yeah, it's illegally distinct Sonic Grams. It's an unaffiliated Sonic Grams. We made our own Sonic Grams. All right, we're, we're only going to read 1 e-mail today. We got, we got another one in the chamber though. We'll read that one next week. This one is from our pal Speed Boom. Speed boom. All right, written after episode 42, but as a response to episodes 32 to 37 guys, gals and non non binary pals.

I am back then. So he actually just goes through and he's just like, I'm just going to talk about these episodes one by one in a short little burst. So should we do? That or. Yeah, yeah. No, no, it's fine. I wouldn't. I'm not against it, I just it'll be very disorienting for other people. No, we're fine. GTF 33. I think he's specifically talking to me, I expressed. So you expressed confusion on whether Knuckles was flying.

Sorry and there was confusion expressed on whether Knuckles was flying, considering he went from the ground to suddenly super high up in the air. I've always kind of thought of it like Hulk super jump. And then from that height he just glides from there. I don't think the flying is self-propelled, but rather lighting up and down with wind currents. So that's that's an interesting theory. And then he he throws in that

Nick is 100% correct. I just want to put this on the record that the monster at the end of the book is a great kids book. GTF 34. Did you have any comments on that? No keep. Going. Yeah, GTF 34. You said that the Arctic freedom fighters left no impact, and I completely agree. You know why? Because I straight up do not remember them being in this comic. I know I've read this, but nearly this whole SU felt completely foreign to me. Good.

I I got I got good news for you. Speed boom, they come back. I think he knows that by now. Assuming I assume that's the last time we see him too GTF 35. At one point in this issue it is assumed that Knuckles is gliding with the use of his dreadlocks. This was a contenders idea, but it's actually something that dates back to Knuckles creation. When he glides in Sonic 3 and Knuckles you can actually see his dreadlocks fan out and up.

Sorry, See, his dreadlocks fan up a little bit because they're catching air almost like a parachute. So. OK, OK. The thing with Knack the Weasel is that his different names have recently been confirmed to be different aliases. A theory I've had for years, by the way. I like that. Yeah. However, my interpretation was always that Knack the Weasel was his real name, and Faying the Sniper was his alias.

As it turns out, both Knack the Weasel and Thing the Sniper are aliases, and Thing the Hunter Identity is his true name. Yes, Thing the Sniper is an alias, yeah. They have to change from they have to change from sniper to hunter cuz it's more family friendly. I get that I understand it. I. Agree 1000% that I think 100% the reason. I think. I think Knack the Weasel would be, I'm just speculating, but Knack sounds like more of a real name. It's the name.

It's like, it's like Henry Jones Junior. And then like, oh, OK, my, my real name is Indiana Jones. Or rather it's Frank the Sniper. That's my, that's my real name. That's a cool name. Then he makes a comment saying that your vector voice sounded like vector being electrocuted, which I think is a compliment. OK. He specifically said, no offense, but I was like. That's fine. No, I know that's fine.

It's a pair. Out of all the names, that one is one of the most off kilter from the actual voice. GTFS 36 and 37, so the pair of issues we covered in that episode with Sonic. The Sonic brainwash plot is very similar to episode 16 of The Saturday Morning Sat AM, which premiered 10 months earlier to that issue's release. Issue 20 Sevens title Saturday Nights All Right for a Fight.

It's obvious reference to Elton John's 1973 Saturday Night Nights All Right for Fighting. The song also has a Nickelback cover that is featured in the Spiderman 3D animation video by 3D Fantast, which is how I knew the song exclusively until 2024 when the original Elton John version made its way into episode 6 of the Paramount Plus Knuckles series. So the new saga eventually looped back into the series there like 30 years later. I love that.

Is so fucking insane to me that a that there's a Nickelback cover of Saturday night's all right for fighting and that's your like original version of this. I that I'm so curious. So I have a theory that a lot of times the I don't know if I said this on the podcast. I was literally just talking about this to with someone

recently. I have a theory that like the first time you hear a the song, that's the version you kind of enjoy the most, and then any other versions you hear later, even if it's like the true original or something, you're just like, yeah, it's good. I like it. I always think too, So I'm not a Nirvana fan really, but there were two songs I really enjoyed off of his MTV Unplugged album. I don't know if you know that offhand.

Yeah. And the two songs that I really liked, hated Everything else, was Where Did You Sleep Last Night and The Man Who Sold the World, Which Where Did You Sleep Last Night? I think is a cover of a song by a very old Blues musician. I want to say Mud Belly or Leadbelly. Something that's probably it. Because that that sounds right. And then The Man Who Sold the World is a David Bowie cover and to this day I still prefer the MTV uncovered Nirvana versions of those songs to the original.

And I always think it's just 'cause that's the first version I heard. So to me that those are the versions that like really had weight to them. I could be wrong. So actually, you know how you we could defeat this speed boom, right? I'd need to know if which version of Saturday Night is All right for fighting is which version you enjoy? I get no I understand that. I think for most people it is very much the same because it's associated with a certain point

in their life. It's associated with a certain memory especially. Well, hopefully a good one, but that's the one that usually sticks with them the most. I know as a jazz fan I've like the the cover. In pop music and rock music, covers are common, but they're not that common in jazz. You make your bones off of doing covers. You can't do your own stuff. But it's like, oh, this is a jazz standard that literally has been done millions and millions and millions of times before,

right? Even like, like Paul McCartney's yesterday, right? That's like the most covered song of all time according to many metrics. Even then, that's like the same amount of cover that has been done by jazz musicians who do jazz standards, because that's literally what they do the whole time. So the point I'm getting at is that I have adjusted my head to be like, OK, when I hear a new jazz standard, I explore that and I find a million different versions.

So I'm a little less in tune to that. But when I associate it with a memory it it sticks out of my mind a lot more. So I get that. I understand that you were laughing earlier. Yeah, I was, I we're not reading it, but I read the the next e-mail in our chain chamber and they they had a very funny intro that I liked. OK. So we'll continue with this one. Well, no, that was it. We finished the e-mail, so any, anything you want to call out right now, anything you want to talk about?

No, that was that was it. That's the issue.

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