Paula Pell

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Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Good Hang. So excited about our guest today. It is Paula Pell, the great performer, writer, actress. She wrote on SNL. You may have seen her on AP Bio and Girls Five Eva and the Burbs out now. Um, but uh Paula and I have loved and known each other for a very long time, and we are gonna talk about so much good stuff. We're gonna talk about how fun it is to harmonize. We're gonna talk about Paula's

years performing at Disney's Pleasure Island. And we're gonna talk about, um, how she really enjoys writing Joyful Losers and how that got her through some real um complicated times at SNL. So we are gonna get into it. But before we do, there's so many people that wanna talk about how great Paula is. I could interview twelve of them right now, but we have Someone who is kind of a new friend and a new fan of Paula's and who is working with her currently now in a new film. And that person is.

Kimberly Diane Kardashian, otherwise known as Kim Kardashian. Kim, Kim Kardashian, can you hear me? This episode is presented by Hilton. Guys, you know what vacation perfectionism is? It's the pressure to get your family's summer vacation booked and make it perfect and memorable. Stressful, right? Don't worry, because the team at Hilton takes care of what matters.

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I just left the gym, so I look a little bit of a mess, but it is what it is. What do you do in your workout? I do uh strength training. Sorry. like crazy bodybuilder trainer and we do lots of like today we did lower body so Squats and walking lunges. I'm feeling you because I know I have to up my weight stuff for like bone density. Do you ever get a Dex Dexta DEXA scan? No tell me about it. I actually know a portable DEXA scan. Mm-hmm. And it comes in a in a van.

And you lay down and each one of my sisters and my mom, we all live in the same gated community. So we have um the van drive by and we all jump in the van and you just lay down and it scans your body, maybe like three minutes. And it tells you all about your bone density. Ooh, I love that. You know, over we do it once a year and just to make sure that you're still got it going on and you still have all of the bone density that is necessary.

I mean it it feels like something that our moms did not know about or talk about. Oh I know. I know. There's so much stuff that we have to now take.

It's a lot. Supplements. I take probably thirty-five supplements a day. CAMMA! I spread them out three times a day. And I thought, okay, I can't do this fish oil right now, like anymore. I have like pill fatigue. I have to stop these. fish oil and I got my blood work and it was so evident that I stopped and I had to start again. But it is tough to take fish oil'cause you when you take it, you you like taste it for a long time.

I wish there was like an IV drip I could do every day and I would just do it on my way. I'm sure there is a portable another guy in a van who can follow your car. Um, well you are on your way to work on the fifth wheel, which is the movie that you're in, starring in that Paula Pell wrote. And I'm so I was thank you so much for talking about her today because To me, people that love Paula. um, are people that love comedy.

I have been fascinated by the comedy world and the people that I've been so blessed to meet over the last few years. Anytime I mention her name, I get a text back just genius. Yeah. Yes. Just how we met was so funny and it was so quick and fast. And it was maybe a year and a half ago, maybe two years ago that we're here filming. a movie that we had an idea like the first time we spoke. And it was really crazy. That's it.

someone wanted to connect us and thought this would be a really fun project. Would you guys ever want to, Kim, would you want to do a comedy? And Paula, would you want to write it? And we got on the phone and Called right back within an hour with the whole idea. Tchau. She's incredible. We We had the funniest day yesterday on set. What happened? So it's like Nikki Glazer, Fortune Theme Star, and I in this one scene, and I won't say what's going on, but Kristen Wigg is doing something. Perfect.

Perfect. We're supposed to be laughing and reacting. I couldn't control myself. Like almost peed my pants. Like just every single time, just being in a room with people that you Want to be professional, you want to get the job done, and you just can't control yourself because it's so funny. I can tell you are a big comedy fan.

now gotten to meet some of the people that I've always looked up to and thought were so amazing and Just such a it's such a community where everyone supports each other so Butch. And I experienced that from my the first time when I hosted SNL. It was like this group chat of so many comedians. trying to help with my bit and with my o my monologue. And it was so fascinating just to see everyone's minds and to see how supportive everyone was and showed up that night.

when I was doing that and Rooting for you like everyone genuinely. Bye. Roots for each other. And I've never seen that kind of connection and bond in any other genre in the entertainment business. Okay, so you said you had a couple questions for Paula today. What are your thoughts for what we should ask her? I wanted to know. When she was coming up with this idea for this film, is this everything that she thought it would be? To me, it feels like one of those magical.

Like there's a little extra magic in it. That like we We all knew and I think this is how it was envisioned. I feel like there's just a little extra fairy dust over this. And it feels really good. And does she feel that fairy dust too? And why is it important to you to ask that question to her? Why, why do you want her to why do you wonder if she's feeling that too? Because

exciting time and an exciting feeling. And it just feels like I just want to know if she feels the same way that I feel about it because I am really excited and passionate about it. And um, I don't know, maybe this, maybe she's so accomplished and there's so many projects and this is just one of those and like I I think the exact opposite.

She creates momentum. She has energy, which is what like you're talking about, you n as you know, you need to get stuff started. But she also do I think one of the best things about her is she doesn't forget the people in any process, like people are as important to her as outcome and

She's a people person. You know, she really wants to connect in that way, like with through the stuff that she makes. And so that magicky, sparkly stuff that you're feeling among each other. Like I think that's kind of if I was to say something about her, like she is I think she loves that stuff. I think that's why she's still doing it. Yeah. Yeah. I just I I hope she feels the magic because I feel it. Um and then anything else?

always wanted to know is there ever someone that you just control yourself, you just see them in action and you just can't stop laughing. Like you physically can't get through a scene or something because you find them so hysterical. And I love I love watching SNL and when You're trying to get through, you know. Uh s uh a bit and you just they break

And they just start laughing. Like to me, that's when I really start laughing because I can feel how much fun it is and I can see that they're having such a hard time getting through it because they just want to laugh so. So hard. And I just wonder like who is that person for you, for her? You know, uh like I said when we started, I feel like anybody who loves Paula's comedy to me means that they know comedy. So um I really really means a lot that you got on a Zoom today. Thank you. Of course.

Of course. She's gonna be so thrilled and excited that we talked. It's fun. I'd like to watch it. Okay, thanks so much. Have fun this weekend. Thank you. Nice talking to you. Bye. This episode is brought to you by Visible. Ah, spring is in the air, which means it's time for some spring cleaning. We're decluttering the closets and finally tossing those mystery cords. But while you're cleaning out the junk drawer, take a look at your wireless bill. Don't fall for wireless traps.

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Paula Pell, you look fantastic. Thank you. I've got a full denim suit on. Is that A power lesbian move or what? Paula, you're probably one of the guests that we've talked about the most with other guests. Like I was thinking today about us talking and it was like, Oh, we've brought up I mean, I'm so lucky that we just get to talk to our friends on this. Sounds the dream job, isn't it? It is. It's a dream. And the hours. And wouldn't it be fun to have two people doing it? You know.

The two two blondes. It could be called two blondes having a good hang. But I mean, I'm not trying to infiltrate your good your good thing. Um, but no we'll talk we'll talk. We've we've talked about well, we've talked to you uh the Anna Gastar episode. You very nicely gave Anna a question. Thank you for that. And I feel like i anybody who knows comedy knows you. Anybody who is paying attention to who has done what over the past twenty five years, they know you.

And I just wanna say, I wanna start by saying something I say to people all the time, which is Paul Apel is The funniest people's favorite person. And you are often in a room of hugely funny people. You are usually the funniest. I'm very competitive. I know, I like that. I like you are a little competitive. I like that. And um and in a good way. And also Anybody who likes you and likes your comedy to me is like an indicator that they know comedy. That's really nice, Auntie.

Well it's true, Paula, because really nice. You know I'm gonna pretend to drink. Okay. Embarrassed about that. I um Mm. What do you got going on in there? A delicious water? Water. Los Angeles water. Mm. You can taste the tap. Um I really appreciate that. I love I love cracking up hard to crack up people. That was always well that was always our fun. And obviously with Lauren, I used to like to I like breaking through someone who's

Tough, a tough like someone's like, I'm a hard la like it's hard to amuse me. I love to find the the little crack. Do and you you wanna keep working it and that's why like with like especially like quote unquote like alphas, you're really, really good at at getting them to laugh.

Getting well, I I was new a few times when I was little in school and I hated people that were on immediately when they were new, of like, Hi, I'm so and so and yeah, what do you like? Oh, I like this too. And my biggest fear was that I would Be that kind of person. And so I because I never like inauthentic love coming towards me. I don't like when people are

You know, I I just like to believe that it's it's real, that it's not gonna hurt me on the other end. Or they're making fun of me or something. So Answering your question um that I created in my head. Did I ask one? But it's not a good thing. it that feeling like with Lauren is is just like I want to feel more comfortable with him. So I'm gonna sit on him. Which is what I used to do. I was gonna talk about this later, but let's talk about it now. Talk about it. This is three hours.

Guaranteed me. Contractually,'cause I said I'm not driving over here. Not getting on the four oh five for an hour. I know how fast that goes with. We all know that pods need to be I know it's a little bit more than that. Important.

Um you are a midw you do you consider yourself a Midwest girl? Even though What would you how would you describe a a true Midwesterner? Like what are the what are they like? A a pleasant liar. A deep liar. Um just like Southern women. Mhm. Uh midwestern women usually are big liars. And they my grandma used to always uh go to she loved to go have a little diner food with me and I would take her to the pine cone.

And over by the interstate in La Salle Peru. And she would start eating the soup. And I have a big uh Midwesterners love soup too, Midwestern women. And she'd, oh, and is this soup ever good? Oh, and how? Oh, I love this soup. Oh God. And then the guy would come by. This soup is fantastic. She would talk about the soup. And then as we're walking out, she would go, I didn't care for that soup. And I would look at her like

I didn't say why the fuck to her. But I'm like, why didn't you just tell him you didn't like the soup and get a different soup? Oh, I'm not gonna do that. You know, I came from that kind of people that you don't tell The truth, because that's not and what I like about it is based in kindness, that you don't want to hurt people's feelings. But yes. You grew up where specifically for most of Joliet. Yeah. Joliet. And for people who don't know Joliet, Illinois, what's that what's that town like?

Um, I haven't been there in a long, long time. I know they have a casino. I haven't been there since they have a casino, which really revived, I think revived uh Jolia. But it was a you know, kind of a suburban town outside of Chicago, probably about forty five minutes outside of Chicago. And um there's a prison nearby. So my quick was always like, you know, where are you from? Joliet, not the prison. I always had it l loaded up.

Was that was the Joliet prison the um where Blues brothers did they go to Joliet So Joliet Jake was Aykroyd's name, I think, in Blues Brothers. Right, right. And when I came into my meeting with Lauren Uh, he said, So where are you from? Or he said, Uh tell me about you yourself and I said, Well, I'm from Joliet and he said, Whether that's true or not and he thought I was doing a Joliet Jake reference, maybe?

And I I didn't even know his name was Joliet Jake at the time. And I was like, Well it is true. I mean I'll have to Send them some proof of that. They're really raking me over the coal. Yeah, that that's a little bit of a mind fuck to be like nice try when someone But it isn't even anything that you thought you were s snowing him on.

We've talked about this a lot and I love this and I'm and I'm curious now as we're getting older if like you've you always say that you felt as and I know from you letting me read your journals I re got to read polished journals. And um uh is you always felt kind of like wiser than your years as a young person. I was a very uh caretaker. I bore I always say born at 50. Very I remember I started my period at nine and I remember telling all my friends how it worked.

And like how to put a t you know, how to put a pad on and how to And and they gather around me like I was like Julie Andrews son of music and I'd be let's start at the very begin. There's a string and an applicator. I'm an older Yeah. You know, and I had an older sister who taught me to read. Patty was like incredible. She always was very nurturing to me. But to them, to my friends, I was

The wise one. I had a very old soul and I think it was'cause it was withering from lack of any sexual attra uh interest from anyone. So I I I I by the time I was I was like, well, I'll never be touched. So I um but I was also silently and quietly looking at women and feeling weird. So you grew up in the eighties, you were you you were uh lesbian, you knew it but you couldn't I knew it, but I didn't really know it, in quotes, until I was just out of high school. And so my best friend and I were.

basically madly in love with each other. And we ended up always like sleeping over each other's house during the week for the last couple of years of high school in the same bed. Like just it it was a very Um, Florida high school was like so affectionate, like at the public school. And I came from like a Catholic girl school that was so not. I mean, we'd hug each other if you know somebody died or something, but it was just like

Or if you had something on your coat, you know, let me do that and get it off. But like it was I got to Florida and I was like, D what is going on? Why is everyone hugging each other? And but it was perfect for a closeted lesbian because we'd go to like a choir trip and we'd be just like, you know. sixty ninety each other in the bus just sleeping like I'm sleeping on her ankles and she

My ankles. And it's just but we didn't know at the time. We did know, but we didn't know. It was like your your soul knows, but you are not saying it. You're not acknowledging it. And then we started having all these fights at the end of high school, like a lot of dramatic drunken fights. We'd drink like a lot of white wine and big football cups and we'd be like, I don't know.

Well what did I do? And it just like fights and then it was like And then it just the world broke open and I was like But it was a world you couldn't do that. That's what I was gonna say is I think people didn't don't really remember or understand that in our generation, I mean I had I had no openly gay students in my high school. Not one. Not one. Not even the super gay ones. Like the super gay guys where you're like, there is no doubt.

Like I was saying to my kids, there was no gay and lesbian alliance in my high school. Oh, hell no. There was no openly gay teachers or students. Everything was you know, n nothing was spoken of. And it was this time where you really did have to live this secret double life that you could not share with most people that you loved.

And I mean, the most heartbreaking thing about it was that when we we went to college and we ended up together for a few years in college and then there was a big heartbreak. The most heartbreaking thing is to go home and not be able to be heartbroken. young person with in front of your family. Yeah. So you have to manipulate all the reason you're heartbroken of like, oh, she's gone away to school and I'm not he and it's just I miss a f having a friend. I miss someone to hang around with and go

Troll for dick. You have to like you just have Right, you don't get you don't get the aftercare. Heartbreaking because you just want to look at your oh. I'm crying already, guys. This is supposed to be lighthearted, right? But like you want to look at your mom and go like

first time I have my heart broken, you know. And my parents were very kind, sweet, wonderful, supportive people. And at the time, if I would have had the balls to do it, I could have maybe explained it to them and they would have been loving to me.

And you know, I know your family so well and you know, you talk about your sister and your parents, you come from such a funny like your parents are hilarious. They're all your sister's hilarious. You guys tease each other, you love a good joke, like comedy was so important. No. Growing up. them. Uh my father is truly, genuinely like in his next life will be a a comedy writer. He he is a comedy writer. Like he is still, he's he's 87 and he is still

So ungodly funny. My mother was having gastro problems recently. I mean, she got really sick. And I said to I texted my dad and I said, um, uh, is she still having diarrhea? And he said, Not since. Saturday and spelled it T U R D. Saturday. Saturn. Like immediately. But he does it he does it without being desperate for you to laugh at. Sure, sure, sure. He just does it and waits. And that's you too.

I also have a really good skill of freezing and pretending I'm freezing. You want me to do it? Yeah. Okay, I'll just do it while we're talking.

So I know that um uh there was a lot of uh musical theater that you were into when you were I love The only reason I had to stop is that I was just joking on my spin. During the pandemic I used to do it all the time on Zoom. And it and I would go so long and just be but like you know, it has to be in the middle of something. You can't just like Yeah, sure. So it's just like when you People are gonna think their YouTube is And then they'll be like, No, I'm gonna I'll watch that later.

A musical theater per like you were doing all your plays in high school. You were like, I want to be a performer. Like, did you know anyone that was an actor? Did you think that was gonna be your job? My biggest gifts in life was I grew up in the Midwest where I had a little teeny Catholic high school. They had the most glorious. Theater and music departments always. All my schools always had the most glorious. And nobody had money. It wasn't like these rich schools at all. And I I was in

Full with orchestra Oklahoma when I was like in fifth grade. Full orchestra, music man, where like a full band comes in at the end with seventy-six trombone, like, but really talented. people, but like and when I was in eighth grade, infamously with all my friends I was mother superior born at fifty, mother superior in sound and music. And I have video and like many photos of me Looking into the shaft of light, like Maria, you shall be led forth with peace.

And it's like my pubes have not come in. And I'm like the Oldest woman. This fucking woman. And I'm looking like This earthy matron just singing in my non outfit. You claim you should yeah, you do have like great numbers. In other areas for sure. But you're too you you love sex too much, babe. Can't do it. You can't I should have done the nun thing. Oh wait, I did. Hi, sister Christine. She's not a sister anymore. Ha ha ha. Wait, I was gonna try to drink that like a cat.

You claim you claim that um you're an alto, but I are you an you're not an alto. I'm an alto and then I can do like soprano as a joke voice. At some point, what is joke voice? Like joke voice is voice. Like, you know.

Well, I mean when you sing high y like Elto I'm a big blender. I love harmony. I love harmonizing those new things where you can go and just for the day harmonize with a bunch of people. I cr I weep when I watch them. Like where you can go in different c cities and they have that group that you learn it in one day and then you go and they're all singing like the song from rent and everyone is just walking around with their

parts and they're singing. That's my joy of all that. I grew up with a lot of choirs, a lot of show choirs, a lot of great And I love to harmonize. So when I did Girls Five Eva and I was with these like insane singers like Sarah Bareles and Renee Goldsbury. And then Busy Phillips was a great singer. Like secretly. And then we would sing. It was just like to blend and sing with them. What have you been listening to lately?

Um I'll just every so often I'll listen to, you know, I'll listen to company because I I did a parody of that. Oh my gosh. Let's talk about that for a second. We're all over the place, but it doesn't matter. You did a documentary now. Um, for people who don't know, documentary now was a like a f was was a bunch of fake documentaries.

that um Bill Hader and Fred Armison brilliant and Seth Myers did, brilliantly did, and John Mullaney was in some and wrote uh some. And there was a very famous one based off of the film and musical company, the making of the Broadway album. Yes. Co-op. Co-op. Co-op the musical. And and it was a in of the era. We were in that era, and I was in Elaine Strich.

type and it was based on an actual documentary that was very uh iconic black and white documentary about the night that they recorded company. uh cast album, which was a hot mess, but then it turned out incredible. And I listened to that and when I got to do that with them,'cause they were all fictional songs, but like Sondheim actually

heard them and talked to Mulaney about them and was like, I love it. I didn't know that. He went to some screening of it and then talked to them and they they all I think Like kinda he kinda gave his blessing. Like these are good and He gave his blessing because they were such well done songs. Eli Eli Bol Bolin was so good at writing the the music and and the They're

And you know, Seth wrote some of those songs, but they're they're all so funny. And just I I just love being able to sing and emote at the same time. Like any musicals that I grew up with, I loved the ones that you could just be in the m you know, m one of my favorites. I'm not gonna I I know you probably do you have to pay for song? Well, I mean But but you can sing them like that.

The s uh the song Losing My Mind from Follies, it's it's like It's those kind of songs that like Liza Minali would ex So can you sing a the sing part of it the real thing and then show people what a sound alike would be? It's it's the s it's one of the saddest songs on earth. I think about you said The coffee cup. I think about you. You said you loved me or were you just being kind? Or am I losing my mind? I'm sorry about it. Okay, now can we get a sound alike, please? So if we Can't afford it.

And then they were like, We can't do that. You're gonna have to do so. It would be like When I wake up You're in my mind. When I wake up, you're not here, my heart's cracking, you're in my mind. And then we just Just off enough. Florida?

Affectionate Florida. You get there as a high schooler. You go to Disney. Yes, yes. Work at Disney. I work at Disney. You get the job at Disney, which is a job m everyone must want. I I got my degree in theater. I left University of Tennessee because I Barely finished. I did finish. But can't but that's really interesting because you're such a good student and you're so smart and studious.

I was also a theater student. Okay and I it was the eighties and my best friend James Anderson who wrote at SNL for twenty years and wrote every funny thing you've ever seen. He and I were classmates and we were gay and we used to go to the gay bars and dance all night and then we would do plays constantly that rehearsed all night. And then we would have like a seven o'clock.

biology class in the morning. And it was no parking. So I was always making up incompletes all the time. And my parents came for my graduation and I looked for my final I went to the hall of science to look at my final my final grade the night before they all got there with my grandparents and everything and it was an F. And I

Called James crying and it was pouring rain in a phone booth and he goes, Call the teacher. It's eleven o'clock at night, but call the tea I called the teacher and I just blubbered and he ended up giving me like a D or a C and I could graduate. I had to write a a a paper that night, had no sleep the night before my graduation. I wrote a pla paper called That I Still Look For in Boxes.

called plagiarized 100% from a bunch of stuff cobbled together on microfiche. And it was called Galileo, The Courage to Wonder. And I came up with this theory because I read one line that he said he had a fraught relationship with his dad or something. And I was like, and it was just all about his internal world with his father and all this shit. Oh my god, Paula, I did not know that, that you graduated by the skin in your teeth. Would never have guessed that.

I got to f I got to Florida, you know, was broke as hell. A lot of my friends went to New York, like James, to to have the dream. And I went back to Florida. And then they built Pleasure Island. And it was this nighttime, crazy 80s. Giant like Falleck Island of clubs for the adults. It was brilliant. It's like your kids are here and you're sick of them and you want to go out and let it rip and get drunk with your wife and make out. And every night was New Year's Eve. So every night

at like right before midnight. All the drunks from all the clubs and the theaters and the comedy warehouse, which was improv, all of'em came out and then there'd be these hot dancers and then they'd have confetti. They'd do a big countdown. It was like Times Square. And it was so eighties and so good. And so I ended up being in the original cast of the Adventurers Club. So I was Pamelia Perkins, once again, a matron.

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Oh, the other fun thing about Pleasure Island was all these guys would come. Now, this is when after I got my heart broken. I wanted to have a baby and I was like, I've never really been with a man. I've been a little bit here and there. Just a little sneaky weeky, whatever. Yeah. Touchy watchy pokey wokey. But like nothing. Yeah. Haven't f had the full girth. Right. And so I was like, you know, maybe I need to go down penis avenue. So I at that club They'd let the employees party after work.

That's what I was hoping. Yeah. When the club would close, we had like at least an hour and a half to go to these other great bars right there. So we'd be with these cute ass boys and we'd just be like, you know, a bunch of cute Brits or cute like Irish boy and now I looked literally like BR you know, like I mean I had like a buffant and I'm like You want to meet us over at the thing? And then I would go in the bathroom and I would like blow out my hair long hair. I'd take all my hair.

Put a bunch of make I'd put a bunch of makeup. I'd come out, I was still fat. But I would put all the other stuff on, bring the eye up, put earrings, lots of stuff up here. Look at me up here. And and uh and then I'd show up and then I started fooling around with these guys that were like these fun, like there to have fun. And they were like, She's so cool, she doesn't even really seem into me I'm like so And I would fall around it and nothing's nothing sti stuck. Yeah.

Except the semen. No, I'm kidding. But like nothing, you know Yeah.

Um and so Disney was like a felt like a training ground for you. Disney was every night you got to have a large group of people laugh at what you did. Even if it was like stupid that night or you weren't feeling it or you weren't it it's that energy that we all love that we loved at SNL that we we all craved since we were little that we'd do shtick in front of our parents on a couch. You got to

hear humans look at you and go, Oh, she's really funny. She's la they'd laugh at you. And then I I went over to um work at Murder She Wrote, the post production show during the day. for my next job. I moved out of Disney and I just did part-time there. And I pretended I was a like in this wheel in these wheels, I pretended I w in s some of it you're an editor. And it was all about the making of murder, she wrote.

And I would talk to Jessica Fletcher on the screen. So I'd go, you know, it was all time. So it was like fake, but you know, she'd come and go, Oh dear, I think we're going to do This episode you me we better go. There's murders to and I go, I know Jessica. Well we're gonna make sure that we're gonna and you'd have to talk and one one day I was so hungover that I looked up at her and I turned and I went

Let's see what big old I said big old Jessica. I go, let's see what big old Jessica has to say. And then I turned like this and it was just like I could not stop laughing. Like my whole I missed like three cues. So she was just talking with like Ten seconds in between because I was just like So that felt like a step. I got my S and L job. Okay, so that how do you go from talking to Jessica Fletcher to get auditioning for SNL?

Because I that year, all those talented people that worked for SAC Theater that also performed at Disney. were great writers, great performers. And I they had a theater and I would go and do characters at their theater sometimes on sketch night. I wasn't a improviser. I was you know, I never really have had imp improv training ever in my life, except theater. Sure. Um And every day at Disney. That's true. So I did these characters and then that got to S and L. Wow.

And then I'm sitting in the Dressing I mean green room with all the people that worked at Murder She Wrote post production. And I was sitting there waiting for the next them to load the next audience and and everything was a corded phone, of course. And it was like somebody's calling you and I answered the phone. It was my local agent.

that I had done commercials for and stuff. And she was like, Are you sitting down? And I said, Yeah and and she said, um, Lauren Michaels wants you to come to New York and And meet him and I was like, Is it what is it? Like, is it an audition?'Cause I mean, spent my whole life you know, tape recording SNL doing Roseanne Rosanna Dan in high school for my school assemblies. Like I was so SNL. And they were like, no, it's not an audition. And I was

What what is it? And I just got off the phone and they flew me there that week for two nights or one night. And I just got there and was terrified and I went in and he was like two hours late and I sat down with him and he started talking like we had been talking already. Like he started in the middle of a sentence of like And that's why.

Yo show is uh a a you know, a Phoenix rising and this year we're gonna rise again and blah blah blah. And I'm like rising above my body. And at one point I remember saying to him and Steve Higgins. I am a lot more boring here than I usually am. I just remembered like calling out'cause I was so Scared and so And he had already dissed my now telling him I'm from Joliet. So I was a little off.

You were basically hired without knowing and no one told you you were hired, which is what S N L So then they just said, I think yeah, I think we and then I left.

And then I caught and then they you know, Steve Higgins was like, Okay, we'll figure, you know, we'll call you. It has to be in about five four days, five days. I went and gave my cats and my dog to my mom and dad. I ran and called like it was The most I remember crying in a closet and calling my nieces and nephews and crying and being like, I don't know what and they're like, Can you take us to the opera?

Like they didn't know New York City. Like it was so exciting, but it was terrifying. And I remember my mom just finally looking at me and going, What is the worst case scenario? And I'm like, I fail at a place that I've worshipped my whole life. And she's like, but then you do. And you had the experience. You got to go there.

Wow, Paula, so they saw your characters and they were like, We want her as a writer. They didn't really make it clear why you were coming in, but you knew you were coming in for writing and not performing. But you were a performer.

What is it like to like and obviously you're a performer who's writing all the time, you're creating these characters, but back then especially, I feel like the lines are way more blurred now. Yes. But when when when you get to SNL you kind of get like put into a category. Absolutely. And you're put into the writer category even though you not and and you are this super strong performer who's been performing. Yes. So what was that adjustment like?

Well, I don't wanna assume uh you know, I've heard here and there little things and I who knows?'Cause we've all been in there when they're picking people and it's like Like so random. So I mean, not random, but like there's reasons that you don't think are the reasons and all this. But I do suspect.

that I was a big lady. I was a big plus size person. There would there was there was just not that in any TV anything. Like there wasn't You know, there were starting to be Roseanne Bar like people that had more real-looking bodies, but I was just not of the aesthetic of that place whatsoever. This was late nineties? Mid nineties. Mid nineties. So it was ninety five. And I just I do suspect that it wasn't even like, oh. No, like but her writing. Like I like her writing because that fits with us.

ever talked to anyone at the show about that specifically or like I mean I you know, I really was such a good Catholic girl of of a rule follower when it comes to when when a when a actor who'cause I'd only acted I got there and told them I'm not a writer. I even though I'd written like short stories and different I don't know how to do I don't know how to do any of this. Yeah. I I really uh

I I was so afraid to ever show any desire to perform. And it's why I'm so gloriously happy to be able to perform and later in my life because I finally let that out of the cage of that. The shame. The shame and it also the shame and the shine right next to you. Oh I like that. Shame and the shine because you might have been feeling that, right? Like I just want to be grateful for what I have, but your shine just it

without you even trying, like it could not be dimmed. Like you there, you became the performer that you are now. because it was such a strong, undeniable thing. People put you in sketches because they knew how funny you were, you were funny in the room. You just like without to your point, you didn't

Say fuck this, I'm not gonna write. I only want this. You took the opportunity, you did an incredible job writing for other people, and you slowly knew and believed in yourself and others saw what Kind of performer you.

I felt I felt like everything and it was it was a bigger picture of codependency and caretaking that in my life, in my whole life, I was making the pie and then giving all the pie away.

Okay, so for people who don't know who are listening, and we talked about this a little bit with Anna and we've talked about it with Rachel and we've talked about it with Tina and we talked about it with Seth and we talked about but like Paula Pell has written Some of your favorite sketches, including Bobby and Marty, the cults, including Debbie Downer, including the cheerleaders, including actors Of course, of course. But the actors get all the credit.

They do. They always it's like whoever is saying the lines, people assume that they've written the lines. And as we I mean, people understand that there are writers on that show, but the public facing cast always gets the first kind of love, amount of love.

Appalachian Emergency Room, Tony Bennett talk show, all this stuff. When you're writing what what was the first time you wrote something and you were there where that terror went away a little bit, where you thought, okay, I might not get fired, okay. Well, there's two kinds of terror because I was in that era of recurring characters and I was lucky enough to get in that first year with Will and Sherry for cheerleaders and with Anna and Will for um for Bobby and Marty.

And they were so up my alley. I was the person that tried out every year for cheerleading, never ever made it, worked on my backhand springs in the summer. And then I would'cause I was fat and I would stand with holding everyone's purses during the basketball games and I knew every cheer and all my friends were cheerleaders. Like all of them were on the squad and then I'd be up there like a dance mom. Like but once again Okay. M matron at twelve going and you know.

And gathering them around to talk to them about life. Do you need a cough drop? Do you need a draw? And so the idea of I loved writing joyful losers. That was my favorite thing. Is someone who is joyfully living their life, what they want to do. And that because when I read that journal, that's what I was. You know, I I I got a new I got my rock tumbler and I have I changed the grit and my amethyst is looking gorgeous. My God and I was like a Victoria like a crazy broad

As this little person, like talking about what lights me up, my plants, my stuffed animals, all those things. And when I got there and met them, they were my people. Like I would cry laughing till five in the morning, writing those things with them. But the other thing you have to get there is to prove that you're actually good by yourself.

And that is a terrifying thing. Because you can always hide behind those characters that once they're hit, you got that to ride on. It's the best thing ever. Right. And my very first one I remember was doing Wilfred Brimley with John Goodman. And I wrote it. I used to do this thing where I was the last one almost always at writing night. Paul Estate the Latest. So one night I wrote John Goodman as Wilfred Brimley and he was on a fake course.

And because it always used to make me laugh when he was a big guy and he would uh I mean, Welford Bramley was a big guy, but then he'd do this commercial for this this like health stuff and he'd be like, I take care of my blood sugar and I was like, No, you don't And so I I had him say, like, you know, I take care of my blood sugar. Well, I don't and it was just this slowly descending conversation in this commercial and w John was so funny.

But it killed at the table. It absolutely killed. And it was the first time I could really look and go, I deserve to be here. Because I didn't feel like I deserved to be there. I didn't think, you know, I and then If I was writing with other actors, it's like, yeah, but they're so funny and they're so good. And that was the first time I said, You are a writer. Like you sat down and you wrote words that no one else saw because they all went home.

And they could they could read this. Yeah, I mean they they read this and they laughed. How long did you write for us in a few? I wrote full time for like eighteen years and then I started slow you know, I did that slow uh exiting out where I did like I came to Lauren and was like, I'm gonna do half the season spread out. So I would do like one or two shows, then I would have a break for a while. It was really trying to get away from the T. Субтитры сделал DimaTorzok

It was slow. And Lauren, you know, the th one of the things I love the most about him is he he doesn't want people to he doesn't want his family to leave, you know? And then You're the long do you know that you are the longest tenured Female writer in S N L history. Female. Oh yeah, because I was gonna say James beat me by two years on the writing side, but yeah, female. Um I that's that's really nice. Cool. Why haven't I gotten a plaque for that?

And before I get off SNL, um, two things. One is Debbie Downer. Yes. We've talked about it, the antidepressant of all antidepressants. I remember us all standing in one of the dressing rooms just looking up at the screen and just we could not believe It was like a house of cards falling down, but it was the best house of cards and n wouldn't we just wanted to go on and on and on. And I mean you created a cultural

language. Like d people use the term Debbie Downer now as if it was just It was on my soaps the other day and I was like, Good lord It was? Yeah. What soap are you watching right now? All the CBS soaps, love them all. If you ever want me on there, I'd love to. You should definitely buy on a soap opera. That would be so fun. That would be so fun. Okay.

So we've worked together on so many things after SNL. We j work together on Sisters, an incredible movie that you wrote that is like You guys were incredible. Me and Tina got to play some versions of you and your sister and and And read my actual journal in a bathtub. They were in the bathtub reading pages from my actual journal. Beautiful and so fun. And that shoot was so fun with Ike and John Cena, your buddy who loves John Cena. He loves you. I love John C. I know.

I see him to this day. I have a couple ideas for John Cena I'm gonna hit him up for. I have some He is he just and that shoot was just um and Kate there were so many fun people that came in on that. Diane Weast and James Brewer. Do you wanna tell the story about when Barbara came by set? So my mom has lived to like worship Barbara Streisand her whole life. I took her to the millennial millennium concert that was supposed to be Barbara's last concert.

And that was at the Milan. That was like two thousand whatever. Right. Two thousand. Yeah, yes. And I spent all this money to fly her to Vegas to go to that concert at like New Year's Eve. It was this huge surprise. And I took her. And then she comes to Sisters, married to James Rowland. She comes to Sisters the day before my parents came to Set to visit from Florida. And if I would have known, I would have like immediately flown her there.

But um, you know, I sent pictures, which is like great. She looks cute from this blurry picture. I don't know if you remember, my parents happened to be there. And in a different way, you're flying my parent you're flying your parent your mom out to Vegas. I'm always telling my parents, I'm not gonna fly you out to Vegas. Okay, I'm doing the opposite. Well they're always like

Why don't you take me to the Academy Awards? And I'm like, relax. Right. So my parents arrived on the set and my mom was like, Oh, James Burland is here. I wonder if Barbara Streisand's gonna show up. And I go, Barbara Streisand is not gonna come to our set, Mom. Give it a break. Like let it go. And she just came to visit. And she was the cutest. So cute.

So cute. And she I I just remember Lee whenever I would get up to go to anything, she'd go, Are you going to the you go into the craft service? Just give me a little play to some. Just give me, just give me a little some. I don't care what it is. Just a little something. And I'm like, that's fucking Barbers crazy.

I mean a starsborn with Christofferson and her is like I know every moment of that movie. I used to lay on the shag carpeting and ball and sing to that movie and not ball sexually, like ball. Yeah, B-A-W-L. Um, but we worked together on wine country, on Parks and Rec, on Sisters. You have been more and more, like you said, in front of the camera. You got a new show on Peacock called The Burbs. Yes.

So excited. Yes. Fun and creepy. I mean you're you are you you are a leading lady in every way, but you also love that juicy ensemble thing. And Kiki Palmer Palmer leads the pack, Julia Duffy, Mark Proach, Capil Tallwalker, and Jack Whitehall, who is also in the movie I'm shoot we're shooting that Janine and I wrote. They are so funny and so weird. Like their characters have so many twisty, weird secrets. I've never done this kind of genre. I've never done a mystery, murdery, like

Some things are serious, some things are funny, you know, because that we grew up with comedy or drama. Yeah. You know, you were either watching ER or you were watching there was no like in between. Talk about Kiki for a second. It's so unbelievable. We just did the press press for it and the premiere for it. And she can just She can just lead anything and just be the kindest, funniest,

most energetic. And then she's like in hair and makeup getting like elaborate stuff done while she's doing like a podcast thing, also talking to a choreographer about a music. choreography for the music uh video she's doing for her album that's coming out the next week. Like I would just look at her and go like, I I get exhaust and a two year old child. I know. Now she's a pro.

So great. I was getting my hair blown out. Um, and I a couple weeks ago and I just looked up at the TV and they play the, you know, they play the movies on the screen. at the hair place and it was her and Akeela and the bee and she just handled She's so good at it. Braces and she was just and she was such a great actor. I was just watching her do this whole monologue, and I'm like, oh my God, she was just cooked when she was born. Like it was just.

I don't want to skip over the fact that you were getting your hair blown out because I would say that next to Tina Faye, and uh not a competition, but I'd love to have you both in here and we can touch your hair. You have the best hair. You have incredible hair. Thank you very much. I too it's all my hair. I took very good care of my hair because uh when I was plus size and in in that era, this is not like a pathetic fact, it's a true fact.

If you had good hair, it was like something that you could use because there were there was no good clothes. It was like Big shirts and leggings. That was all you had. Right. When I was young, all the pictures of me, if I ever felt good about how I looked, it was always just right, right here, you know? Because everything else I wanted to forget about. What is your relationship now to neck down?

Um, it's good. I lost some weight this year for health reasons, a a little bit like twenty-five pounds, and it made me feel a lot better because I have knee replacements. So it it was much better for that. But I I lost a hundred close to a hundred pounds three times in my twenties and it really devastated me.'Cause I gained it back each time. I gained it back more. It was such a racket. All those diet things were such a racket. I would go into deep depression, which I'd always struggled with.

I would go into that cycle of like Suddenly people want to talk to me because I'm skinny and pretty looking. And then like, and I'm not funny. I was not funny at all when I was skinny. Right. Um and so that's the only reason that I eat cream cheese on Pop Tarts now. To stay funny. Ha ha ha.

But now I feel like I mean, well, I think you speak to you're speaking to a lot of people who are listening, who understand, and you're really honest and very compassionate about how that Can be a lifelong struggle. And I have been on the the sh the shot. I I've been on the shot this year on a very micro dosed way that helped me a lot with inflammation, pain, everything. And it got me

I had kept gaining an again and it got me down to this kind of like, I just wanna live a long life. And so I'm now I it's not about because I have a younger wife. She's twenty two. Yeah.

Gorgeous, sexy wife, and you're so in love. Janine Brito, a hilarious writer, actress. Incredible writer, incredible person, incredible. The best. I mean Paula, your relationship A aspirational for us to think about wanting to have a was a miracle and it taught me truly to to stop

always a you know, not believing that the happy ending can happen. And that's why I'm the world is dark right now and I still no matter how sad it makes me, I I wake up and I go, it will write itself. It will write itself. Because that's the nature of life.

You look at nature doing it, you know, there's a disaster and then there's the green coming up and I really do yeah believe that and that I saw it in real time with with finding her. Well When we were trying to figure out who to talk to about this podcast, who who we should have talk to about Paula like Michelle Obama. Um, but no but we were like we we have so many p I want you to know, I know you know this, but I just wanna say out loud like

I can think of a dozen people that would in five minutes notice get on a Zoom to talk to me about you. But we decided to go with your newest best friend and that was Kim Kardashian. And the new spokesperson for Skims. She she's size inclusive. She is. She is. And she's a sweetheart. Drawing the hell out of her. No. And I really wanted to talk to Kim because two things. I don't know Kim.

But I her her wanting to talk to us about you, I was like, hmm I love this lady. Because people who love Paula and people uh I'm speaking about you in the third person, people who love you and know the how funny and talented you are. To me I'm like, okay, that's that's a a smart person who's paying attention. That's a smart person.

And I remember you saying that you worked with her, you you you started to work with her and her mom and you were like, She's really fun and easy to work with. Yes. You guys are doing a movie together. We're doing a movie together. We're mid sh mid shoot. We're like about two weeks in and it's with a bunch of other comedy. It's bunch of comedy ladies that we all know and love. Um Fortune Feemster, Nikki Glazer. Casey Wilson, Brenda Song, um, uh, and she

so blending in with them in this group. And it just her existing was like an inspiration for it because we knew that she wanted to do this kind of idea. And we were like, what would if Kim was Mm-hmm. just a normal person with a normal life and normal, you know, living situation. Um And and she was around girls that she grew up with. Like, what would be that thing? And anyone I talked to, including Lauren Michaels, when she hosted.

It's really nice. You know, there's yeah, the the fame is always equated with someone's an asshole. Right. And that is often true.

True. our next episode, which is only available on another website. Um, the two of us will list those to you. But what I love the most about her is she's an extremely kind, gentle person, really doing a great job, playing her part. Um, what I love the most about her, after all those years at SNL, having all those hosts, Is that She is always aware of what she's really good at and what she wants you to be great at that she knows you're good at.

And it's like, let's meet. Let's meet and do something fun. Um, and that is so valuable to me at this age because I just can't be with people. that think they can do my job better than me. Can't do it Yeah. I'm I'm I'm gonna put the chair around while you say it. Say it again. I cannot yo yo yo yo yo I cannot be with people who

think they can do a better job than I can in the situation that we're doing right then. Now, they might be just as good at something that I'm doing. I'm not saying I'm better than them. But when people come in, when a host would come in and they have never written something in their life and they're telling you how to write the sketch, I I have done that so many times in my life with people.

And I'm so spiritually exhausted with it. And the first time we met with her, Janine and I wrote this movie together. We came up with it together, drinking eating soup on a winter day. And Janine and I just started like spinning it like wait what if this and what if this and then we really loved it because it had a lot of heart and it was about female friendship and it was we're like oh my god I love this we ended up

like zooming with her, she came there. I thought she'd have like a entourage of people with her on the Zoom, a lot of squares. It was just one square of beautiful Kim Kardashian just going, Hey guys, you know. Just being a lovely person and she's been so great on the set. We have had so much fun. You're absolutely right. People who know what they're good at and also like working with people who are good at what they do, that is a skill. And also, you know, it is uh w when we were talking to her.

One of the questions she has, which is such a sweet question, is also told me a lot about. uh m maybe what I sometimes forget or hopefully don't take for granted, but sometimes do, which is she was basically saying, Do you think Paula is feeling the magic, the sparkly magic of what we have like I am?

You know, it was basically like I'm and she basically said, I'm having such a good time. I'm like I can't believe I'm there. I'm a n I'm new to doing comedy, but I've loved it forever and I'm having fun. Is Paula having fun? Like it was such a Sweet. And the answer is hell yeah. And I am in a no asshole zone of joy now. This is our only weapon is joy. That's the only thing we can do now. Okay. And so the other question that Kim had was who is someone that you like

You like, you know, is so hilarious that you can't barely get through a scene with them. Like who really tickles you? They like that old time. True classic Without the meanness under it.

Well, I feel like I saw you do versions of that all the time and and what comes to mind is especially in Lauren's office where we would have this big meeting where between dress and air or after a read-through where all of us would be packed in and Paula would come in and you just do some version of that with Lauren and he would he would just he he's kind of a quiet laugher, he would laugh

like this. And you don't see Lauren laughing at com I mean, when you're in comedy, you almost can't laugh anymore. You're tired of it. Yeah. And he no one would make him laugh harder than you. And Paula would you'd put two oranges in your bra. Yes. I would always he had oranges always in a bowl at his little tangerines and I would always put Oranges in my bra or I would um I've done a lot And there's a picture in Lauren's office.

It's my 1980s headshot. And I think it's one of the times that I lost a lot of weight. And it's just that dreamy, it almost looks like a 80s soap soap. Yeah, it is very soapy. have my hair flipped and I have a very metallic, almost like um alligator print like, which now would probably be a like a a beautiful outfit in because everything has come back, but it's very 80s.

And I gave it to him, um, I framed it in a very heavy, like crystal frame and I wrote on it, I'll never forget our time in Santrope. And it's just this woman Heavily filtered looking off. And he has it over by when everyone's sitting there picking the show getting ready. He really does look like his old lover. It's it looks a little like a corpse. It's just like this. But um When you're new to the show and Paula would do that, it was like watching I mean

It was like w I was like watching uh how would I d how do I describe this? It was like Honestly, it was thrilling. Honestly, it was thrilling to watch a woman come in and just make the big honcho laugh. It honestly, Paula, it made you feel like, oh, maybe he will think I'm funny. Like it it you being fearless in those moments. And earning all of the laughs and being the funniest made everybody else feel like, oh, there might be room for me here. Like there might be space for me.

I mean, if I analyzed it, I probably was always trying to get him to know that I was performatively funny because I that was something I hid. Sure. And so for years it was very painful for me to be in rooms and just be very

serious with him. And while we worked on that and I put the joke in, okay, great. Thanks. Thanks, Lauren. And just walking out and always very contained. And once I broke through that with him, I felt much better about that, you know what? I didn't get to be in the cast here, but like I he knows that I'm a funny person.

And Paul, it's really interesting as we started this interview, like Midwestern girl doing the right thing. You broke you keep breaking social protocol and you did it in that office at a time when we were all watching. You really did keep breaking barriers for us that did make it feel really safer and safer for us in every way. And you still do that. I hope so because now it feels so much better and it I mean, all of it is some some's worse, some's better.

But I do feel like in comedy, the the women in rooms, when I go to SNL now and I see the writing staff, I'm like, Oh my god, it's so much more diverse and like there's queer people and thank God, like it just makes you yeah, feel so much better. And and um

And one last thing I just want to say about who makes me laugh is Janine is one of those people that I never thought in a million years I would ever be with a comedy person. I my ex was not a comedy person, lovely person and funny, but like not a c not By trade. But she makes me laugh in that stealthy way that I enjoy so much. Two of you guys are so e so matched comedically. I've never, I've never because sometimes you know, like people are like, My partner's so funny, and you're like when?

Now we are at three hours. Okay. As you requested. So I have two last quick questions for you. Um one is how are the dogs? The dogs are great. I haven't seen them in a in a month and a half. Janine just went home to see them. Um we have a uh an old donkey, a very big white horse that I used to ride, Verbena, and uh five dogs, one in a wheel cart. and um who hauls ass, little tiny uh paralyzed dog, and um three cats. Two snakes, I'm not done. You have two snakes.

I was like, when did you get those snakes? I can't get other other classes of animals'cause they'll start eating each other. Reptiles are a whole thing. Yeah. They're a whole thing. Couldn't feed'em the live animals. Exactly. And and birds, I hate cages. I love birds, but I can't unless I can afford someday an aviary of rescue birds where I can walk in and they can all land on me like You don't want something that's gonna outlive you. Like a parrot will outlive you. True.

50. He's old, he's older now, but like I we we were like our old horse. We're like, let's get her. She lost her partner horse. Let's get her a donkey. We'll adopt an old older donkey. And then the donkey's like 18. Oh, how long do they fifty years? Oh 50 years. We get the rescue old dogs all the time. And they'll they'll call and they'll go, you know, we did bring her to the cardiologist.

And um Noni is uh you know, Nino is actually gonna probably not make it for a few weeks. I do you still want him? Of course we want him. G a thousand good days in one day. Like let's just give him a great end of his life. He lives like seven years. Because Expensive medications because Much love. Too much love and medication. Which is the nut name of my Too much love. Ha ha ha! And then the last thing is let I wanna find a um public domain song that we can harmonize to Oh yeah.

Because you're so good at it. Okay. Oh my God, I love you. That's a good public domain song. Let's see, that we we don't have that that Amazing grace. Yes, it is. Amazing grace. Okay. I have a good one at that. Okay. But that's a high. What one should I sing? I'll do the higher. So you just sing the melody. Yeah. Well it's great. That was so good! We did not rehearse that. We did not. It's not public domain? Great, it's getting cut.

What is it? It costs one hundred and fifty thousand dollars. Okay, great. We're gonna cut. I will put twenty dollars towards it. Paula, I love you so much. I love you so much. So much for doing this. It's such an honor to be at the uh at the table with you. Paula, you're the best in the bitch. This is like I love watching this and hearing. Very expensive. It's a big honor. Oh. Love you so much. Thank you. Paul Apel.

You're just so fun to be around. Thank you for doing that. And um You know, for this polar plunge, there's just so many things that Paula mentioned that she wrote on. Great sketches that you should check out at SNL if you're looking to laugh. But but I I wanna uh remind you about a a little YouTube um show that she did, not little, big, a big YouTube show called Hudson Valley Ballers that her and James Anderson, another writer at SNL who was mentioned in this

interview worked on and Paula and James just play two jerks, two funny, lovable jerks who live in the Hudson Valley and um there's a lot of really funny cameos. Um Stupid people being with other stupid people doing stupid things. So check out Hudson Valley Ballers if you haven't checked that out and check out Paula on the Burbs. And um keep uh uh listening to Good Hang. We love that you're here. Thanks for being here and see you soon. Bye.

You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss Berman, and me, Amy Polar. The show is produced by The Ringer and PaperKite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane. Kaya McMullen and Alea Zeneris. For Paperkite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss Verman. Original music by Amy Miles.