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Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Good Hang. Oh, what a lovely guest we have today. Olivia Colman, an incredible actress, just a dear... tender beautiful person and um we are going to talk about a lot of great things today we're going to talk about

whether or not it's important to fight in relationships. We're going to talk about playing the queen. We are going to talk about her new movie, The Roses, and all the hilarious people that she got to be in it with. We're talking about so many good things. today. But we always want to start these episodes by bringing in someone who knows our guest, who helps us.

ease into our guest, who gives us a question to ask our guest. And we got a big star today. We have an actor who was in Doctor Strange. He was Sherlock. He is in The Roses. He is also famously in a Key and Peele sketch where they name football player names. He is the one, the only, Benedict Cumberbatch from... Oxford University. Benedict, hello!

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Hey Amy, how are you? Hi, it's good to see you. I can't see. Okay, you can just hear my voice? I can see you now because I'm wearing these glasses like this. You're a beautiful blonde blur, but like that you're a very... Dark blonde. Now, what's your prescription? Because are you new to glasses? 1.6, something like that. I'm new to sort of giving into them. Yeah, same. I'm just, I like need them for reading, but not yet for driving.

It's so boring, isn't it? And I'm not one of those people who get my, I can't get them lasered. It's very boring. It's not boring because I feel like now that I can hide behind glasses, my life has changed. And also... People think I'm smarter. Anyway, hi. Nice to see you. Thank you for doing this. You're so welcome. Okay, I know you're in the middle of a giant press thing and we are talking to Olivia. Yeah, I'm a little hurt, but there we go. I know. Sorry, we couldn't get you, but you...

You signed a restraining order against me many years ago and you don't let me get close to you. That's true. After the Golden Globes, it's right. Okay, so... So question for you, before we get to your question, we're asking, we like to do this thing when we have our guests on, where we talk to people who know them and kind of talk well behind their back. And the first thing I just wanted to say is that when I was doing some research on the film, The Roses, that you're...

promoting, and also you and Olivia, you guys haven't worked together as much as I assumed you would have. We've never worked together. Never? No. And we've been friends for a long time and always said, we should work together. And this is what was sort of born out of that conversation. What kind of friend is Olivia? Incredibly loyal, ridiculously good fun. She facilitates naughtiness. She's just sort of...

Is it preternaturally? Is that the phrase upbeat? I mean, it's kind of, that's the one, if there's a critique of her, it's like, how the fuck is she doing this authentically? I don't understand how this person can be so good at being.

Just upbeat and just delightful. And she literally, this is veering into work rather than friendship, but it's the same with friendship. But she can go into a work environment any moment that we were in the studio together. And you just see everyone, all the crew, everyone going.

Everyone just feels excited and brightened by her being around. It feels that way when you watch her work and then also be herself. And I have, you know... we kind of get this we kind of came or I came on to upon this theory when I was at SNL which you were so brilliant on is you have all these people come through and you realize that usually the most talented people are the easiest to work with. Kind of. The other I get, the more I just, that's sort of...

I can't be doing with people who are hard to work with. That's my one sort of curmudgeonly kind of thing. It shouldn't have to be hard. Okay, and then the other thing I wanted to ask you, and then we'll get to your question. There's nothing like... more satisfying than when somebody has a sense of humor about themselves. Like, it's such a sign of intelligence. And you and Olivia...

in this movie really go at each other. Your characters really go at each other. But do you feel like there's also just a way in which... Brits are allowed to kind of tease in a heartier and more sharp way than Americans? I don't know. Personally, I think there's often a very barbed, cruel, and slightly pinched...

aspect to British irony. I think it could get a bit too much to be honest. As an English characteristic, the sharpness of it isn't something I find that pleasant. It's very funny in this film. i think also americans and this is obviously played up in the kind of cultural difference one of the key differences between our version and the original michael douglas attorney and danny devito film is that they're the only english couple in an american world and that much

Later, the culture clashes and misunderstandings to great effect. But they start roasting each other. And actually, you as a culture, I think, have completely one-upped it. You're right. We have passed you in the mean Olympics. You've gone to dance. You've broken. There's a good trade, I think, which evens us out, both in the gross-out humour and also the very sort of well-thought-through, ironic, witty, intellectual humour.

We play out the difference, but I don't think there is so much of a difference anymore. It's very interchangeable. I agree. I think it's very hard to pull off both physical comedy and really like sharp and sarcastic wit. Both of those things are hard to do. Well.

Yeah, I think if you could do that, you could do anything. I grew up with two parents, both actors, my mum in particular doing, you know, sort of end of the pier kind of whoops, there go my Nicker Vickers, Nicker Vickers, Nickers Vicker kind of farces. And to the point where I was like, mum, you... You've got to do something else now.

I can't watch in an audience as you, as a surly teenager, I can't watch you come into a room where your politician husband is having his pants pulled down because of something and it looks like his male assistant is giving him a blowjob and you turn to the audience and go, and then walk off.

So, you know, having grown up with that kind of humor, if you can do comedy is my point, you can do anything. I really do believe that. And I'm not just... Of course. I feel... You don't have to tell me, babe. Every single year at the Oscars. Everybody gets blanked. And all the serious people get up and accept and accept and accept. It's true. And it's some hot bullshit.

Because comedy is not easy. And I got to tell you, both you and Olivia can do both. I will. Thank you. Thank you. That's right. Okay. So do you have any question for Olivia today? Yeah, okay. Is she wearing any underwear? No. Is there something she's afraid of? Because I think she's one of the most fearless performers that I know. I don't see her being afraid of anything, but I wonder if there is. I wonder.

Oh, that's a great question. Yeah. And would you do it? That's the other thing. What are you most afraid of? And would you be any good at facing that fear? Deep question. I should be doing this interview. Question. Yes, I mean, do you want to switch places here? No, because everyone wants to hear you do the interview. Okay, well, I know you are...

An hour or two of a 12-hour marathon. Congratulations on the film. Thank you so much for doing this. I hope we get to see each other not in full formal wear someday, but at an actual... I do too. That'd be lovely. Much love. Thank you so much, Benedict. Appreciate it. Thanks for your time.

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Hello, hello, hello. Hello. Okay, thank you for coming and being here. Thank you so much for having me. You know, I was looking over... Your life, like your timeline, because we're the same age. Are we? About the same age. You look much younger than me. No, I don't. No, you do, actually. I'm 50. Hold on, I have to remember. I was born in 71, so I'm 50. You're born in... I'm 74, so...

Yeah. Well, so you're a little younger than me. Well, I look older. Americans just look better. Do you think? Yeah. Well. British people seem smarter. You'll find out that's not true. And you'll find out when you get a little closer. Okay, so. But we, you know, we kind of have some parallels because you met a lot of your friends and co-workers at Footlights. Yeah. Kind of, you know, you went to this very...

important place that we Americans used to hear about. Yes. I wasn't actually at the university. This is something that gets regularly. You were not at Cambridge. I was in the town of Cambridge. Working as a cleaner. Very interesting. How did you get into the lights? Well, I was at the teacher training college for about a term, I think, and left. And then...

No one questioned me because I had a bicycle and I looked the same as everyone else the same age. So I just would turn up to things. And was there like an auditioning process to get into Footlights? Yes. And that's where I met my lovely friends who then...

basically were responsible for me getting work for years afterwards. Yeah, because... But I just feel very, it feels like a big lie if I was at Cambridge. This is already very British. The distinction that you didn't go to school there is an important one for you. Yeah, well, I feel like people who were there would go... No, she didn't. And, you know, I think it's so impressive to have worked so hard and be so clever to get there. It would be a bit much if it's my...

terrible A-levels, I suggested that I got in. So people that were not going there could perform there? Yes, I think I just, I didn't lie, but I just certainly didn't tell anyone. So it can be taken back. You could be technically arrested for, yeah, at some point. Maybe. So you go and you, do you remember how you had to audition for? I do remember going, I was in, there was a building called the Union Society.

And this is when I did have my student card because I was actually at the teacher training thingy. And... And there was a sign. It was handwritten in biro on the audition arrow. Oh, fun. So I went along and I didn't know it was the footlights. And I know. And I'm pleased I didn't know. Yeah. And there was. They were boys looking bored, sitting behind a desk and said, entertainers will sell something to us that looks like this isn't food.

Okay. So there was a disgusting ashtray, which must have been there for years. And I picked up a fact, but that sounds weird in American English, doesn't it? Right. Cigarette butt. Cigarette end. And I tried to sell it and it wasn't going very well. No one was laughing. So I ate it out of desperation.

And they still didn't laugh. They just looked absolutely horrified. But they let me in because they thought, well, she's game. She's going to do some funny stuff. What is it going to take to get those guys to laugh? That is so that's so that's such a great story. And then you got in and then you met all these like what you know, I that that time period in my life, I know doing sketch and improv and all that stuff for.

A small number of people with friends in the hopes that someday you could do more of it. Yeah. Like, what do you remember of those times? Well, I, because obviously, as you know, you will have to help write and everything. I was terrible at the writing. I just really enjoyed performing and being on stage and making people laugh was like the best, like crack, like the best thing. It is. I said to me it was the closest feeling to being a vampire. Yeah. Where you're just like, oh.

I'm becoming a vampire. Yeah. Oh, I've got goosebumps. I totally understand. Just be like, look what I've done. There's this weird, powerful, in-control flush of excitement. Yeah. And so desperate to get that back. Yes, your whole life is chasing it again. What was the first, you remember the feeling of like the first big laugh, you know, where you did something and you watched people laugh at you and you thought, oh, I love it.

this feeling i don't know if i can remember that no were you in plays as a kid i did my first ever school play when i was 16 and that was that was the prime of miss jean brody so not a comedy but um I just remember people clapping at the end. And I'd always been so rubbish at school. I'd never... I couldn't wait for it to finish. I'd looked out the window and found it really hard to concentrate. And then suddenly I committed to learning all of these lines. Suddenly I...

Why couldn't I learn other stuff? But I would do that. And then when they clapped, that was the moment where I went. I love that. It was like electricity coming out of your fingertips. Like, look, get off, get off. No. Loved it. Yeah. I mean, do you consider yourself a, were you an extroverted kid? Like were you, were you, are people not surprised that you ended up being an actor?

I don't know. I think it's quite, I think as I've got older, I've got more and more shy in a way. And I think people knowing your face and you not knowing their face puts you in a, you know, it's not an equal. I really relate to what you're saying about, even though I think people might think that it's funny that both of us are saying this, but getting a little shyer as you get older. Totally. I really relate to that. Yeah. What do you think that is?

I think it is, well, as you know, as I've said, it's an unequal thing. So I love, I don't know if you ever go to a country where maybe your shows aren't seen. Oh yes, it's called the UK. That's not true. But, you know, if you can walk, feel like you can walk down the street and no one has done a double take or a nudge or a secret photo. Yeah. It feels amazing. Yes. I love that.

Yeah, being observed is weird because especially it sounds like you're like, you are an observer. You like to observe people. So when you're being observed, it's a strange feeling. Yeah, I find it discomforting. It means I don't want to go anywhere with my children. I don't want people to, you know, see who they are. Yeah. Because it's their decision to do what they want to do with their lives.

And kids don't like—you don't even have to be an actor. Kids just don't like sharing their parents with people. Yeah, I do understand that. Yeah, I know. And it's hard to—

explain to them that that is your work but it is it is it's a universal feeling like kids kids want their parents when they want them mine yeah yeah and I've been lucky compared to many people in our industry. I haven't had to be away from home that much. Yeah. And my youngest, so in recent years, I've had to be away a bit more. And she hates it. I sort of love it that she hates it. Yeah, right, because she's still missing you.

How old is your youngest? Youngest is 10. Okay, okay, right. So you still have some sweetness. Yeah, and really, she's really lovely. They're all lovely. I know. Does any of them want to be an actor? No, furious. Yeah. I'm livid with them. Yeah. I'm like, get up there and earn some money for this family. They laugh at me because, yeah, it's a bit, you know, ab-fab.

And my big boy wants to be a physicist. Wow. Incredible. That's the only way he can rebel. Why can't he be a rock star? Totally. He goes, Mom, no one says, oh, why can't you be a rock star? I do. They're all so sensible. Yeah. Physicist is that smart. I mean, who employs physicists? These days, no one. No one.

With long hair, forget it. He's never going to get through the door. Okay, so you're at Footlights. You're making all these friends. You're deciding. You know, what I love about your career and you is that you are the ultimate to me. that when someone can do comedy really well, they can do anything. And I guess you came into the business doing comedy. When was it?

Tyrannosaur that switched? Was that? Yeah. Can you talk about that film and getting cast in that? Yeah. So comedy, I'd never intended. I just found a place there and I really loved it. I'd always imagined maybe from that first play at school, I thought maybe I could be an actor, but you didn't dare say it out loud. Yeah. And then... It felt like there were two lists of actors. There's funny ones, not funny ones. And you can't cross over. It's absolutely not allowed. No. And it takes someone.

to really put their neck on the line to go, no, I would like them to do that. So it was Paddy Considine I met when we were doing Hot Fuzz. Yes. I was so excited to meet him and I opened the door and grinned at him. Hello. And he decided in that moment, oh, she'd be right for my film. Wow. I know. So always open the door, people. Always be nice. You never know. Wow. And it totally changed the trajectory.

It's a word I find hard to do, of my career. Because it went to Sundance and it was like this, you know, very lauded performance. And people saw this version of you, basically. And they said, oh, we can. I know, it's very. Isn't it interesting how life is just the smallest changes and moves in your life and you're on another track? Yeah, totally. And so often having to wait for someone else to... Yeah.

to, you know, let that happen for you, which is frustrating. Yeah. But I'm so grateful to Paddy. Do you ever think to yourself, like, I'm in the mood right now to do something heavier. I'm in the mood right now to do something lighter. Do you think about that when you're picking stuff?

I don't know if I might do subconsciously. I always used to rely very much on gut feeling, you know, and I feel a bit like I've lost that ability. I've gone a little bit, I don't know if that happens as well as we get older. Sometimes I think I can't tell now. My agent has a great litmus test. So if you read it and you're unsure, if your nemesis gets the part, are you going to want to, you know.

Pull your hair out. That's so funny. I think about that too. If I saw it a year later, like a trailer for it, and I was jealous. Yeah. If I thought, if I saw something. That's the best way to go, okay, I can let this go or no, I have to fight for it. Yeah, yeah. But.

Sorry, I didn't answer your question at all, did I? Did I go somewhere else? Well, why I ask is because you've been in all of my favorite things. When we look at all of the stuff that you've been in, your career is incredible, Olivia. Like you have done. Okay, but I want to stay with comedy for a second just because I feel like, and I kind of made a joke about it earlier, but there is this thing with people our age where the U.S. and U.K. were...

so connected in so many ways, but had completely different comedic experiences. There were only a few shows, in my opinion, that came over to us. Yeah. Like, it wasn't until I was in my 20s and 30s that I learned about all this great British comedy that I never got to see. Okay. And I, you know, you know, we got kind of the big ones, right? Growing, like...

Monty Python and, you know, AbFab and stuff like that. But then there was this huge amount of shows that we never saw that you had to kind of search and find out and watch on, you know, VHS and like trade with your friends. Yeah.

Did you have shows here in the States that you didn't know about or didn't watch that you had to kind of catch up and know about once you started becoming? Weirdly, sort of SNL, which is, you know. It's like a little comedy heaven. I didn't know about that for so long. Yeah. Because I don't think it was shown on television in the UK. No. And it was only funny friends who were obsessed with it and went, what?

What is it? And then started to look at it. Because this is pre-internet. We couldn't Google anything. We didn't have this high-tech stuff that I have. I have a laptop on my head. That's very cool. And I can type in anything, anything you want to know. And you want to know the recipe to something. But yeah, but you couldn't clip anything you can watching. So I remember watching like Alan Partridge and all this stuff on VHS. But yeah.

Ten years after it was on. Yeah, yeah. Well, it's the same. We got, and we still have, which I love, every weekday morning on Channel 4, they have starts with cheers. then King of Queens, then Everybody Loved Raymond, then Friends. No, sorry, Frasier. Same? Four shows? Yeah. I love it. Oh my God, cheers. Oh my God, cheers. How good is that show? Oh, it's so good. Ted Danson at his hottest best. And Sam and Diane, I mean, actually, there's a...

We'll get to your film, The Roses, but there's a lot of that kind of, like that kind of back and forth repartee of I love you, I hate you, I love you. It's so satisfying. So good. And when they kissed for the first time and millions watched. I know. Oh, and also that lovely Woody. I loved Woody. And Woody, who had the hardest job in the world because he took over for coach. Oh, yes.

Yes, of course. Yes, who was an amazing character. And beloved. Sadly passed away year one or two, and you thought, well, they're just going to kind of— Can't cover that, yeah. And then they bring in Woody. Yeah, genius. Who just crushes it. And then—

The pilot of Cheers, if you've ever read, is just a perfectly written pilot. And me and Mike Schur, the creator of Parks and Rec, used to talk about it all the time because you have like seven characters you have to service really fast. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it's such a good pilot. I love that show. Oh, my God, I've got to watch the pilot. I'm going to find it. It's so good. And the ending of Cheers. Yeah. Okay, everyone loves Raymond, Frasier.

And what was the other one? King of Queens. King of Queens. And you're like, what is this Queens? What do I need to know about Queens? Queens, I've got no idea what that is. But he is king of it. Yeah. There was a few things that came over to us, but not a lot. You know, it took me—and sketch was one.

Like I didn't know about French and Saunders until 10 years after, you know, then everyone, same, like funny people. And I was meeting funny people and they weren't talking about shows that I had like. had to research but i just think it's very interesting because that we're we are we are so alike but our comedy was very specific and different we had the premiere last night in new york

And then we've got London premiere on Thursday. And lots of, I wonder if audiences will laugh at different things. And I feel like that's not true anymore. I agree. Yeah. I don't think that's true. No, I think we all totally understand each other and we'll find the same shit funny. We were laughing when we were preparing for this interview. We were saying like how, you know, it is true.

believe that the Brits are smarter. They just sound smarter. Yeah. They do. That's not true. I know. And you know what taught us? Love Island. I've said that's the first time I've ever been grateful to Love Island. They taught us that. Because I can see people look disappointed when I open my mouth and I go, oh, see, you think I'm clever. I'm really not. But thank God Love Island. Yeah, Love Island really leveled the playing field. We were like, I see. Okay, we're all the same.

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But a show that I've since now seen that I didn't know at the time was Bruiser. Which was like your first. Have you seen Bruiser? Well, I've seen clips of Bruiser. Okay. But Bruiser was like your first sketch show. First ever job. My first job. First ever job. Yeah. And that was, how old were you? What year was that? It was my last year of drama school.

I have a weird thing where I can't do dates. Same. So I know I did my A-levels in 1992 because I had to say it so often. Yeah. But beyond that, I'm not entirely sure what happened. So in the 90s, Bruiser comes out. Yes. And it's you and David and... David Mitchell, Rob Webb, Martin Freeman. Yeah, that's right. Charlotte Hudson. And that's just like sketches and you all look like babies and you're all doing like... Yeah. I haven't seen it. I bet lots of it's terrible. Well, sketches. Yeah.

I mean, 80% bad. Like the batting averages. Yeah, yeah. You have just like hope for a couple of winners. Well, Mitch and Webb have just done a new sketch show. And sketch shows just haven't happened for a long time. I know. Yeah. I know, I think about that a lot. I mean, for me, the...

best last sketch show other than SNL that I've seen is Key and Peele. Did you watch Key and Peele? My boys were talking about that. I think that the Brits don't know about Key and Peele as much, but that was a big show over here. And they were just like... deeply funny and good. Like they were really, really good. Oh, I'm going to find that. Okay. And so then, okay, but then there's this, there's all this stuff you do between, you know.

Broadchurch, basically. There's all this—because that Broadchurch for us is really, I think, when we really start to get to know you. I remember you from your little moment in the office, the UK office, because I was obsessed with the UK office. And the—

the picture moment with David and Jessica and with Ricky. But we get to really know you and you and David at the same time. Oh, yeah. Lovely DT. Lovely. Tell me about your relationship. You guys are buddies. Oh, I love David Tennant. I know. He seems so... Oh, he's so nice. You love him. Tell me why he's so great. He is... There's nothing arsehole about him at all. And he, we simply just would sit and talk about, we'd do farts in the police car. And he'd go, oh, Jesus Christ.

He was just like a buddy and we'd tell stories and he... He wanted to be at home with his, you know, wife and family, and I wanted to be at home. Yes. Isn't that the best when you work with people who want to be at home? Yeah. I love it. Let's get this done. Let's get this done. Let's get it done. I'm afraid you'd get home. Get the fuck off about home. And, oh.

And also he was so, always knew his lines, was always on it, always just beautiful at his fingertips. And then, you know, when the AD comes to knock on the door, we had a two-way, it's not as rude as it sounds, you know, van with... And also our loos were back to back. And I'm going to go, David, are you in there? Go, stop listening to me. I'm doing the same as you.

But when the AD would come and knock on doors and say, it's time, we would try and race each other. He would always, he didn't want to delay anyone. He was never late. Oh, my favourite. Love. And just gorgeous. Everybody. loved him but just real and it proves my point olivia i've said before i find that for the most part with the exception of a few eccentric original performers the most talented people are

Often the most professional. Like they're the easiest to work with. And I've been so lucky to work with two of my gods, Meryl Streep and Anthony Hopkins. They never would have kept anyone waiting. Yes. And then you learn from that and you go, see. No, and they set such a tone. Yes. They are polite to everyone. They know everyone's name. They know their job. They know their lines. They're always on time. I mean, I have in any profession, I do have a theory that like...

People that are acting out of fear or afraid that this is their last good idea or that, you know, a lot of people act out for a lot of reasons. Yeah. And I do understand that. I do too. And as I get older, also people just work differently. Yeah. But the professional part. Yeah. When you meet your hero and they also are that way, it's just the best. It's so important. Yeah. And just a friend recently did a show and I don't want to sort of, there are some of the younger people. Yes.

I don't know where it comes from, but if they have a little bit of a cold, they won't do the show. And I don't understand. Right. When we were told. This is very Gen X of us. You know that. I'm aware that I'm doing that. Same, which is the way— I don't think it's their fault, but someone's told them wrong. Well— Okay, let's get into this because— Oh, no. No. I'm going to be cuntful. No. I agree, and I'm trying to work on it because here's the two things.

I think that we were sold a productivity myth. Yeah. Right. Like hustle, hustle, hustle. Yeah. And it's really ingrained in us. Like there's no way I would have. ever cold and sick. I mean, I remember doing a scene with Alec Baldwin for a movie and I had like 104 temperature and I had to cry. And I was like...

I was on another planet and he was like, wherever you are, stay there. Perfect. And I was like, I am in, I'm in a fever dream. I have 104 times. And I remember just being completely, but never in a million years ever would I have not. No, I see retrospect potentially maybe.

that was a day to not be at work. Potentially, yeah. Potentially not a good choice. Yeah. So I kind of understand that this idea of like maybe take care of yourself, Gen Xers, a little bit more than you did and not pressure everybody to hustle. But perhaps we've overcorrected. I think there's a happy medium, isn't there? Agree. But a little bit of a tickle in the background. I don't think I can. I don't think that's okay.

Yeah. I've had pneumonia twice and never missed a day of work while filming. Okay. But also potentially stupid. You've had pneumonia while filming? Yeah. Amazing. You're my kind of gal. Thank you. I never missed one day of work on Parks and Rec. I did 120 shows. Fuck yeah. And that's weird. And people think that's a weird statistic because they're like, well, okay.

Maybe not something to brag about. And I'm like, is it not? I think it is. I agree. But perhaps I was setting an example that, you know, both are true. Both are true. I know what you mean. I love, I just love a pro. I love a nice pro. Yeah. Because a working environment should be, it's just hard enough to just do. It's hard enough to do life without somebody being difficult. And we're lucky to have the work. Beyond. You know, don't be sort of overly...

Cocky with that. Yes, agree. And Broadchurch, it makes sense to me that you and David loved each other because you can really feel it in the show. Like it's just, you feel like true partners in that show. Yeah. And even though in the show you're... getting to be partners but yeah there was a such a mute a feeling of mutual respect on that it was so good yeah and what was it like to have that blow up it was a huge hit yes that was very odd i because

No one knew who had done it. That was what they wanted. Although, when I went for my first audition, my sort of meet with the producers, and I said, who did it? And they told me. And I went, oh, and cried. And they went, that's great, that's all I got. And then on the way home, 20 minutes after I'd left, they phoned and went, can you pretend that we didn't tell you? We've realised we don't want anyone to know. We wanted to...

I went, oh, OK. So I had to lie. David was so cross with me. One day, his agent accidentally let slip right near the end of months of filming. And he flew onto my van. I went...

You fucking didn't tell me. And I knew what he meant. I just couldn't look at him. Oh, because he didn't know either? He didn't know. No one knew. Oh, wow. But they'd accidentally told me. But you knew. What a burden to cure that. You had faces, you know, all the 10x8 faces in the makeup van and everyone was putting a sticker on.

who they thought it was and I was also going is it that might be me uh am I trying to terrible at lying wow so you you were reading the scripts in real time basically yeah oh that's very fun it was really fun and what a great way to be able to And kind of what a bummer that you knew because you would have been, you know, like everyone else, but you had that secret. Yeah. Oh, that's fun. It was fun. Oh, that's good. But David, yeah, said, you can't believe he didn't tell me.

And you're like, I'm a pro, babe. Yeah, I'm a pro. I lied so much. I'd almost forgotten that I knew. Do you think you would be good convincing? Are you a good liar? Like, do you think you'd be, yeah. Without a script, I'm appalling. Yeah, they can. I don't know. I think I'm okay. I think sometimes could I convince a jury? Oh, wow, that's excellent. I feel like I could convince a jury. That you didn't do it? Yes.

As long as my kids weren't in the jury, I think I'd be fine. Your kids would know. They'd go, you totally did it. Do you have a tell when you lie? I'm sure I do too. I'd like someone to tell me what it is so I can work on it. I think I over-explain. I think I say too many things. Oh, you know when you watch Traitors? Yes. Oh, I love it when they ask someone something and they go, what?

They have to always watch. They say, because they're stalling. Yeah, and they do it subconsciously. It's amazing. Have you ever watched any of those body language things where they show, you know, if you look up to the right? Yeah, what's that? One's recalling information, one's lying. Or if you touch your face or your neck. I know. If you touch your neck, it's because you're about to say a lie. All these kind of small things. I love when people stall and you go.

It's so good, isn't it? What did you say? I love it. I'm so sorry. Didn't hear you. But I also get sweaty when you have to play those games. Have you ever played that game Mafia? Oh, yeah. I don't like that game. I love it. You love it. I love it. Okay, because? We play it almost every night on holiday. And we've discovered as well, any parents that get killed.

It's always their kids that have done it. Always. Or spouse. And one family that we go on holiday with every year, their kids are terrifying. That's it. Really good. Oh my God, so good. And the youngest one got so cross with everyone accusing her.

So we went, of course she's not. She was over-explaining. She was doing what you say. Yes. I'm not, I literally, I had to move because really angry. And she's only 13. And she was, we went, oh God, no, she's probably not. Maybe don't. Give her a chance. She was absolutely killing everyone. She was the murderer. At night when everyone had their eyes closed. Amazing. Yeah. I get very stressed. I get very giggly when I get accused and very stressed.

And also, I feel like I act the same when I'm the murderer or not, but I must not. But I don't think I would pass a lie detector test. Let me just say that. I don't think I would. My heart would beat. Yeah. But I think I could win over a jury. Yeah. I think I would say, ladies and gentlemen of the jury. Why would I want to kill my spouse? Or whatever. And I'd be able to cry. You're a good crier. And you love to cry. I do. It's one of my great skills.

Well, in everyday life, I don't cry so much. Do you have tricks for crying? No, if it's sad, I'll cry. Yeah. If the script is sad. It's a broad church. Yeah. That first... Day, it was filmed chronologically, which was just a gift. Amazing. But they were saying, no, she's a police officer. She's probably a little harder than that. Absolutely. There's no way. I'm sorry. I can't. This is a dead child.

And so, if it's good script, it's impossible not to. But in your life, you're not the biggest crier? Really? Oh, in The Crown as well, there was this, because the Queen famously is... was able to be there for other people and not cry. And I couldn't do it. There's a scene where Helena Bonham Carter is telling me about Aberfan, which was a terrible, terrible thing that happened. And I couldn't hear her.

Yeah, it was beautifully done. I couldn't hear her talking about it without crying. Yes. And they kept going, okay, no. No crying. No, I can't. So the sound department gave me an earpiece and I listened to the shipping forecast. So in my ear, I was hearing south at Syrah, north at Syrah, where the furt are middling. And I was just listening to that and zoning out while Helena said, I can't believe our first scene together. And you're not actually listening to me.

Wow. And that's really, that's a good tip though. That's a great tip. Listen to something else. Don't listen to your act. I mean, I always say half of acting is like just keeping your face still, which is... almost impossible for me to do. Yeah, me too. Botox helps enormously. But the way in which everyone just projects everything on your still face. Yeah. You and Helena in The Crown are, I mean...

So wonderful. And I know you're really good friends, too. And did you meet on that chat? Yeah, we did. You had never worked together before. No. I think we'd met once at a do, and I'd sort of curtsied to her. And, yes, she's just lovely. I mean, I know people have asked about meeting the queen and playing the queen, but separate from the actual queen, the character.

of that woman is so interesting. I know, fascinating. You know, forget, you know, I know you're playing a version of a real person and you're playing a real person, but just the... The legacy of that, just one, just the idea of one life. Yeah. Spanning that much. Yeah. It's so amazing. It's, I totally agree. It's an extraordinary, literally.

Well, most people, there's someone else in the world who has a similar experience. No one. No one. That's one person standing on their own. I know. Sitting every week to various prime ministers, you know, listening to them. Yes. hearing everything and just having to keep it together. It's such a practice in restraint, just a life of restraint. And also to your point, being around while everyone else comes and goes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Being the constant while...

I mean, I loved the way that that show took on the width and breadth of that life. The crown. That person is the crown. And the way you take it from Claire. that you take over that moment when you show up in seasons two, three, four? Three and four, yeah. When you show up and we think, oh, my, Olivia is now the queen. It's exhilarating. Terrifying, following on from Claire. Was it? Yeah, because I loved it. It was so highly advertised that I didn't want to like it.

Yeah. In that sort of show. Totally. Yeah, everyone likes it. Oh, okay. No, thanks. And then I accidentally watched it with one eye open and went, oh, no, I love it. Love Claire. So good. Couldn't stop watching her. And so then, yeah, got a call. So they would like to meet you for, I think my agent said, for The Queen. And I thought that was the play. And, oh.

And she said, no, no, I didn't mean that. I didn't mean that. I meant the crown. And I went, oh, my God. Yeah, fuck yeah. Absolutely. Yes, please. And she said, I think you're not meant to say that yet. You're meant to just waste. Very cool. Put your sunglasses on. Yeah. Trying to be cool. Yeah. I was such a huge fan of it. Yes, yes. And also it came at the point where I just spent all my tax money. So you're like, let's go, let's go. And did you...

Did you talk to Claire? Did you talk to Claire? Did you talk about, like, handing off the torch? So someone said, it might be a good idea. If you want to, we can give you Claire's number. And so I did speak to Claire. I said, really, honestly, truthfully, it's a long commitment, long job. And she went, I've absolutely fucking loved it. Yeah. It's a happy job. And everyone's nice. Yes. Okay.

That's great. I mean, there is a whisper network among actresses, especially, I think, when you're going to try to take a job, when you're lucky enough to have the choice to take a job, where you call other people to say, should I? Is this okay? I love that code as well. Me too. We do go, or there's the word tricky. It can be tricky.

I got on quite well with them, but I know that some other people did. So sort of politely letting you know, maybe this isn't a simple decision. Another code is like, well, the hours can be kind of long, which is a code for the... The director's a little unorganized. Yeah. And the scripts aren't ready. Yeah. And the scripts can come in a little late. And I cried a few times. But as far as the job, yeah.

Helena and you, I just want to stay there for one second because I love watching you work with everyone, but I especially love watching you work with other... super talented women and you've worked with a lot of really great women. I've been really lucky, yeah. You just, when you meet each other on screen. I love women. Me too. I mean, it's honestly hard to work with men.

I'm so sorry. I'm sure it was easy with Benedict, but like, I mean, we have to, but fuck. I know. It's hard. Best of night, just not as good. Just not as good. I do too. I love working with women and I can tell you do too. Who are some women that you've worked with that you just went, Helena I'm sure is one, but like who that you just worked with and you said, oh, I'm going to have the best time. I mean, Jodie Whittaker on Broadchurch.

Helena, on the crown. And Marion, who played the Queen Mother on the crown. Loved her. Loved her. I always take a good girlfriend with me from almost every job. What do you mean? Like who? Well, Heli. Jodie is now godmother to my youngest. We had our youngest at the same time while on Broadchurch. And Phoebe, Phoebe Waller-Bridge. And Amy.

Morgan, who you probably won't have heard of, but I think she's extraordinary and we went doing a play. And so there's always one. And on the roses, there's Zoe, Sunita, Alison, Jenny, Kate McKinnon. We have Kate coming in. Is she coming in? She's coming to do this podcast. Tell me it's day while I'm here. It is? Are you lying? I'm not lying, but you're not going to be here.

We're not going to make you wait for Kate because we have a little bit of a, you know, you got to get on that plane. But you can leave, you want to leave a note for her? Yeah, she's coming in today. Okay. And she's so, isn't she such a... Wild, interesting, eccentric bird. So we had a girl's trip to where I live in the countryside while we were filming. And Kate came along. She's the most fun grown-up you've ever met.

My daughter couldn't believe her luck. Yes, she is fun. She's fun. And she played, she was, I think, a pea hen or something for about three hours. Fucking hell. It's amazing. My little girl's going. Phoebe, Fleabag, huge, another huge show. Yeah. And I mean, she's an amazing woman and she's brilliant at what she does and she works hard and she's really driven and kind to everybody. And yeah, just another...

fucking fantastic woman. And that first episode of the second season of Fleabag, which was with Andrew Scott and sitting around the dining, that restaurant table, felt like the most brilliant play. Yes. And just that whole episode, one dinner scene. I just love the way she writes. Yeah. And she gives everybody. So many good jokes. You have also so many good jokes in that show. Yeah. Great jokes. Yeah.

That character is hilarious and deeply disturbing. Yeah. And I got it wrong initially. I was playing her sort of quite evil. And I was going, Phoebe, it's not what you meant, is it? She went, well. She's the most charming person in any room. She'll be vile to you and you sort of, thank you. Sort of being grateful for the, you know. Yes.

It's so vile. I mean, it's like, yeah, she's like the ultimate narcissist. Yeah, yeah. And when you're that way, you're usually quite charming. Yeah. Yeah, you're not usually, like there's a way in which you draw people in. Yeah, kill them. And then before we get to the roses, I just I feel like there was this beautiful couple of years.

where America said... I just realized, I just said how much I love women, and I've just done a film with Benedict. Well, but Benedict feels like he's sensitive enough that he counts. Oh my God, he does. He really does. I feel awful. I loved working with Benedict. Well, we're going to talk about working with Benedict. He's going to be fine. Okay, good. Great. Benedict can handle it. Yeah. And Andy. I love Andy. Andy's fine. And Jamie.

Of course, you love all the people. They know. I do love the people. Sorry to interrupt you. No, no, not at all. But I'm not worried about Benedict. Okay, good. He's so tall. We don't have to worry about him. No, he'll be fine. He will be fine. Yeah. But no, but we will talk about that because but there was this like amazing couple of years where we got to see a lot of work being.

congratulated when you won that award when you won the Academy Award right and you've won a lot of awards and what I loved about that moment was what I felt in that moment and tell me if I'm wrong is that you probably feel about awards the same way I feel about a wardrobe which is like lovely but but like also who cares yeah I don't know that's an awkward thing yeah I okay maybe I should say it less bluntly like well I

I feel like, oh my God, it is the most lovely. If your peers have said a seal of approval, there's nothing better. Yes. But I think also give yourself a few days to feel... Pretty thrilled with yourself. Yes. Then forget it ever happened. Go back to work. That's right. Yeah. It was amazing. And it might never happen again. And weren't you lucky? And now head down. I find that Brits in general.

accept awards really well because they do just that which they they kind of like stay in the moment and say thank you and they're very polite but also you can tell they're like I can't let I can't internalize this or I'm in trouble yeah yeah yeah it is a little bit more to be like, I made it to the top of the mountain and I'm here and I'm never getting off. And I knew it and I got it and I went for it. But they're completely different feelings. But your speech was, do you have a...

You know, I know it's hard to like think about yourself and talk about yourself. It's always hard to talk about yourself. But do you have a sense of why that speech was so well received? It's just this like everyone felt very. with you in that moment. It felt like really organic. What was your memories of getting up and giving that speech and, you know, like being inside of it? What did it feel like? So much I don't really remember. Yeah. But just beforehand, I...

In the build-up to it, in the months, the build-up, people kept saying Oscars, and I'd go, stop it, and I got furious. It was all too scary, terrifying, don't be ridiculous. And then... On the evening, that 20 minutes before we were meant to go, my husband went, don't be cross. But just in case, I've just put some notes on a piece of paper and he went out and went, just fucking wanker.

okay that's quite a good thing so he just said just remember if it happens to say this or say that say thank you and so it was I would have Well, I'm stuttering now. I would have been so useless. It was absolutely real and shocking. But if it wasn't for him, just...

Just take five minutes, just in case, to think about it. I know. Writer, producer, director. He took care of you in that moment. General Hottie. General Hottie. And also the moment you guys had was so sweet, too. I mean, you have a... Wonderful, long-lasting marriage. Yeah. And you met, where did you meet? In the town of Cambridge.

He was at Cambridge. Olivia's crying a little bit. You love Ed. He's your best friend. You call him your best friend. I love love. He's my best friend and I fancy him. Okay, how did you meet? You have his name. I do have his name. It's a bit like he's pissed on me. It was my choice. He just stamped it on you. Okay, how did you meet? We met in a play rehearsal.

And I'd gone to two of the rehearsals and there was no one particularly fanciable there. And then I walked in and I saw his left-hand profile. At the time, he was smoking a ciggy. His feet were crossed. And he's got this lovely bump in his nose. And I saw his side profiles went, oh, God, I'm going to marry him. No. I had proper thunderbolts. That's him. That's him. Yeah. Oh. I know. Poor thing. He didn't know. And what does he say about it the first time he met you? He genuinely can't remember.

That's so great. I mean, what is the secret to a long-lasting relationship? Any tips? Any advice? I don't know. Because you're making a movie about the opposite of that. Yes, that's true. It's our 25th wedding anniversary next year. Wow. We've been together so. 31 years. Wow. I don't think it's... We're not big fighters, which apparently isn't very healthy. Okay, can we talk about this for a second? I agree. I see a lot of... research that says you really should argue and fight.

Okay. Like, it feels so like, what if you're not, I mean, I don't, I'm not afraid of conflict, but I don't necessarily want to search it out. Yeah, I don't want to. And people that argue. And I do think that. It is okay. We have learned over the years, but really late on, actually, to sometimes if that was annoying, then just wait until it's...

It doesn't work for everyone. I know that. But I think it's better to wait till the much calmer moment to go, can we talk about that moment? And I did find that a little... weird and is that okay I'm saying this and yes no I was a bit cross that day and okay but Okay, I'm so pleased. Thank you. That's the most British conversation I've ever heard. No talking. Maggie Gyllenhaal stood when we did The Lost Dog.

Beautiful movie. Ed, different Ed, was the costume designer and me, he's English and I'm English and he was talking about a hat. And he said, I left the hat out. I didn't know if he wanted it. I went, oh, I see. I didn't know if, did you want me to wear it now? But if you like it. No, I do like it. I just wondered because it's, and this went on for 20 minutes. And Maggie.

At the time it was COVID, she took her mask down and went, oh, my God. Nothing has been said. 20 minutes. Yes. Yeah. And I'd never realised it before that moment when she just. Yeah. So that's how we argue. And OK, so it leads me really naturally into the film that that's out right now with the great Benedict Cumberbatch. And, um,

What a pro. What a pro. And, you know, so I ask people before these podcasts to give me a question to ask my guests. And we speak well behind their back, like I said. And he was, you know, of course, he's like absolutely adores. And you guys have never worked together before, which is really interesting. And like you, I think he's able to, he's shown that he's able to toggle between a bunch of different styles and genres. Also, it makes me think sometimes that, you know, maybe it's a bit more...

licensed to do that in the UK than the US. I don't know. Well, to go between drama and comedy. Maybe. I'm thinking about it now because, you know, Emma Thompson and Kathy Burke. And we do have a line of, well, I'm just thinking of the women. But we do have a long line of people who've been allowed to do both. Well, I remember people talking about Hugh Laurie in-house. And it was like, you know Hugh Laurie started in sketch comedy. Yeah, yeah.

He was asking me, he asked a very like sweet actor question, which is basically like he is in awe of you and what you can do. And he was like, is there anything you're afraid of? Acting-wise? Well, I couldn't really tell. Oh. I couldn't really tell what the question was. Okay. But let's say sure. Let's say acting-wise. Anything when I have to show any skin.

I don't like it. No, thank you. No, thanks. Or pretending to have sex with someone. I don't like it. I don't like it. I feel like I'm being on Facebook. And it just feels a bit, yeah. Even when they go, you can wear your jeans and a cushion between you. I don't want to do that. That's not what I don't know. I don't know. And by the way. Bless the people that are good at it. The people that are good at it, I'm like, I'll watch it all day long. Yeah. And they're comfy, but an on-screen orgasm. No.

Absolutely not. Like, that's what you have to do that day. Like, that's tough. Thank God for intimacy coordinators. Absolutely. Ita O'Brien, who, she told me, and I was meant to... orgasm oh god how do you do that imagine the sun is hitting your face that was great so just be given a yes and you just go like this yeah You just, you go, oh my God. You just take your, put your sunglasses on and you go, I should have done it like that.

Yeah, okay. All right, well, you got your answer, Benedict. You got your answer. But what was it like working with him on the film? I loved working with him. And he sort of feels like one of life's innocence in a way, you know. because we had such fun. But when it started to get a little bit more cruel to each other, he did go, can we pause for a minute? Are we okay? Yeah. Yes, Ben, it's pretend. It's all okay. And, you know, he's...

He's so in it and it's just lovely. But I felt like I wanted to hold his hand a lot and go... It's all, we're good. We're still friends. Yes. Yeah. And it's lovely to work opposite him because he's absolutely feeling it. It's all instant. I bet. I mean, even just seeing the way in which you, watching the two of you spar is... really exciting because it's two very good actors going really hard and plus there's just a ton of like

Dumb physical stuff, which is so fun. Do you like doing that? No. No, me neither. I don't want to. I'm not really physical. I don't want to do any running. Yeah, I don't want to. But he is really good at that, which is great. So I just had the gun and he just ran around. And you're like, I think my character would sit. Yeah. And then Jay Roach.

Oh, my God. Isn't he a delight, the director? I love him. I love him. And I felt bad for him every day because it was like trying to nail jelly to the wall, trying to get us all to stop giggling or stop... Doing bits and joking. Also, how often does he hit his head? Oh, because he's so tall. He wears a hat as well. He doesn't see the booms and the lights. And the crew ended up hanging sticky tape down from everything. So he still did it 15 times a day.

It's got to be some kind of psychological thing that he's doing. He can't get cross with us. He doesn't say that thing. And then, okay, we talked about Kate. You worked with Andy. Okay, the movie is out. Okay, and then my last question is, and then I ask everybody, and it's kind of like the... The reason why I started doing this podcast genuinely was to try to, I don't know, make sense of this wicked world and find some solace in what everybody was doing to keep themselves.

Laughing? What do you watch, read, do? What's making you laugh right now today? Big or small? a person, a video, a show, old or new, that you go to. The thing that makes me laugh more than anything, belly laugh, which doesn't happen often enough, is watching my husband fall over or hit his head.

On purpose or by accident? By accident. You just love an accident. It literally makes me go weak. I collapse. It's so good. Did you ever watch America's Funniest Home Videos? Have you ever seen that show? Oh, that's the sort of... Standby. Just one second before you go. We're going to get you on a plane. I've seen a clip recently where people just lie down with their... Have you seen this? So I turn around and Ed's lying down. You just see his head there. And people go...

And they film, oh, that's gorgeous. Do you like being pranked? I've got to do that, haven't I, and film it? Yes. Okay, don't tell him, don't tell him. Do you like being pranked? No. No, if someone makes me jump, I will punch them in the face. Me too. I don't like being surprised. But you like when people get a tiny bit hurt? Yeah. But they're fine, right? They have to jump up. As long as they're fine. As long as they're okay. If it looks like...

Oh God, that looks like... Sorry, sorry, sorry. Okay, let's watch just two minutes of this and we're going to let you go. This is the best day ever. I mean, I know what you mean. Okay, these kind of things. Do I need my glasses? We're watching in America's Funniest Home Videos. That person's stuck in the ceiling. So that person doing something and she's stuck in the ceiling.

Okay, that might have been too hard a fall. Have you seen the two women trying to get into the window? Oh, yeah. Oh, God. That is... Let's watch the two women trying to get in the window. Yes. That is so fun. And the other one is no help at all outside, clearly trying not to piss herself. Yeah, when people start, when they're stuck and they start laughing, that does. Two women trying to get into a window. Okay, here we go. Okay, okay, okay. Okay, let's watch. Here we go.

Here we go. Okay, they're trying to get in the window. And one of them is giving the other one a foot up. She's not wearing the right clothes for this. We know that already. She's wearing a... She's both barefoot. Here. Her shirt comes off. That's right, her shirt comes off. So she's upside down with these boobs, which are now facing that way. And her mate.

And they're dying laughing. I mean, this is the kind of thing that Benny Hill told me would happen. And it did happen. It actually happened. Oh, my God. I love that. I do too. There's no better feeling. And that makes me want to watch that again. And hearing them weak, you know, when you can't speak. Oh, yes. I love it. And knowing that one person is peeing. Right. And if the upside down woman was also peeing.

Well, Olivia, I love you. I love you. Thank you so much for coming and what I know is a long press day. And if you want to leave a note for Kate, let me know. Oh, yes, please. Has Kate seen that? I'm going to say she would enjoy that. Yeah, she's like that. She probably is like... I reenacted it. I was going to say she probably did. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you for having me. I want you to come and stay. Okay. Can I come to your house, please? Thank you.

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Johnson, who came in here with her puppy just a little while ago to our show. Olivia and Dakota are so great together. It's such a meditation on motherhood. Jesse Buckley is so good in it. And it's just. You know, it's just one of those movies where you're like, damn, those ladies are good at acting. That's what you say. You say, wow, those broads are good at acting. But check it out if you haven't seen it.

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