Jon Hamm

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Hello everyone, welcome to another episode of Good Hang. We have our old dear wonderful friend John Ham joining us today, and we are so excited to have Ham Bones here today. We are gonna talk about so much good stuff. We're gonna talk about auditioning, we're gonna talk about

The best position in baseball. We're gonna talk about Bad Bunny. We're gonna talk about what he thinks Don Draper would be doing now. And we're gonna talk about uh season two of his hit Apple show, your friends and neighbors. John is just such a dear tenderoni underneath all that. Superman muscle. And um so we're gonna get into it today. But we're gonna start um our episodes like we always do by uh talking to somebody who knows John and

Uh we've got a great one today. We have Roger Sterling himself, John Slattery, an incredible actor. director, writer, wonderful person who is like kind of one of John's chosen brothers. So let's see what he has to say. Um and get him on Zoom. Hi, Slattery. This episode is presented by Allstate. Checking Allstate first could save you hundreds on car insurance. That's smart. Not checking that the fake roast chicken is, in fact, a fake roast chicken before chomping into a wing? Rookie mistake.

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Couple months. God, Roger Sterling is such an incredible character. Such a complicated guy that you just cannot help but love. And half the time you're like, why do I love this guy? Although I mean uh not just him, I think everybody had, despite their wrongheadedness or whatever moment, like just when you thought, well, this is just somebody who thinks like this.

They're do something incredibly human or funny or touching or whatever. I mean, he's the you know, that thing, yeah, those all those characters had that.

Okay, so did you and Ham know each other before you worked on Mad Men? Uh. So you met when? Audition for his part. And they said and I I remember call I called my agent back and was like, Are you sure that this is the part?'Cause You know, I was beyond that age. And they were like, that's what they want. So I did all my homework and went in and read. And then Matt and um Alan Taylor were there. And then they said, okay, so here's the thing. We already have this guy.

And I said, Excuse me and they said, Well w your part isn't really visible so much in the first episode. So there wasn't much for you to read. We didn't think you'd come in. And um I was a little like and then You know, then he said, But I promise you this will be a great part. So then I met him and I was like, Oh shit, you know, well they certainly do have that guy. Like I realized, you know, oh that's what that guy looks like, of course. And day one. He just sent me a picture the other night.

two nights ago of the of his T V some wherever he was and and it was him at the at the desk and me sitting across with a drink and I said I could tell from the suit and like my hair was diff something and I said, is that day one? And he said, Yeah. No.

No way. Yeah. I mean, what's so satisfying about your relationship from afar is that the relationship you had on the show felt very brotherly. It really felt like big brother, little brother energy. And if and is your is your relationship like that too? It feels like it. I think. Our relationship is more sort of equal, like our age doesn't really come into it so much. Um, and also he's such a competent person.

it isn't like i have anything to teach him it's uh often the other way i was thinking about like well what would i ask him what would i and it was um who does he look to for answers because sometimes i actually think what would ham do Like in a certain situation or whatever, cause he's just is that i you know, he is good at most everything he

puts his hand to and smart and accomplished all that stuff. And he kind of so so our relationship was more just kind of You know, brotherly but not like uh Uh uh. older, younger, like it is in the show. What do you think makes John so competent in your words, like so good at so many things? You know, you have to be smart emotionally to be that funny. And as you know, you know, you have to be observant and you have to listen and you have to so all that stuff.

goes into being good at very different things. I mean he's it makes sense that he's as good at drama as he is at comedy because it's it's something that he's paid attention to. for a long time. I mean when I was a kid I couldn't I would stand in front of the television. I wouldn't even sit down. I would just stand there with the clicker and go from Oscar Madison to Derek Jacobee to

You know, just get a chunk and then a click at go to get another one and see what I just get a piece of this and a piece of that. When it got slow or commercial, I go off to some other. You know, just like you know, a sieve open, just just wanting to I don't know why. I don't know what it was, but I just like wanting to to absorb everything.

Wow, that's such an interesting and true observation is that when I watch T V I watched it like what I imagine athletes do when they watch sports, where they're watching for I you know, same. I watched performances unconsciously or subconsciously to get an idea of how to do it. Mother was a big movie.

fan. My dad was too, but my mother would she'd go, Come in, you have to watch this and I'd have my coat on uh on my way out. I was like in high school or whatever and she'd go, You come and watch the you have to watch this and I Sunset Boulevard or whatever. Some and I like, I have to go. And she goes just five minutes, just watch. And then

An hour and 20 minutes later, I'd be sitting on the couch with my coat on next to her watching the movie. I said, I watched at her funeral, I was saying I watched more movies with my coat on because I was she's you know sucked in. Yeah. Yeah. Well, um, Slattery, I love seeing you. I I'm You too. I hope we get to hang out in some real way again. We we got to be on a we got to do a w w um a couple scenes together once on a silly show called Wet Hot American Summer.

In on Netflix we got to perform together and it was really fun. So I hope we get to do something again someday soon. You know, I remember being so impressed that. the difference between my own ability to sort of improvise and yours, which was like, oh, that's how that's a person who knows how to improvise on story, like not just Div divert and use some nugget that you have saved up or something, but like that you could do stuff. That had to do with the actual action of the scene. Yeah.

And I was just sort of you and John early. I was watching this thing and I was thinking, Man, these people are This is this is this is different. Well, when you don't quote remember your lines, you have to you have to have a trick. Yeah. You know. You have to you have to be like, Look over there Well, Slattery, love you. Love seeing you. Give lots of love to Talia. Please give her my love. We'll do it. And um thank you so much for this and I'm sure Ham will be so happy that we talk.

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You look great. Boy, winning a golden globe really changed you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So do I. And when you have two, it makes the first one that much more space. It really does. Well you know what you made me you're making me think of that I feel like we should start with immediately is that you and I started sounding This is lunch. Yeah. Thank you. Loser's Lounge, baby. Welcome to the first of all, John Ham is here. John Ham. Hi. Oh my god. Fr okay.

Uh first of all I'm so Deeply, deeply happy to see you. Same buddy. Same. I can't it's been way too long. Yeah. I haven't seen you forever. Yeah. But I've been watching your podcast a as I do for uh all my friends. But you I just love what you've done with the place and this. It's I remember doing With Nick Offerman a million years ago, Smart Girls at the Party and I knew then Yes, you did.

That you had your finger on the pulse of something very, very special and cool. And I'm glad that this is the further extension of that because it makes me very happy for you. Thank you for saying that. God, you've done so many favors for me. Um but you did a you and Nick and a bunch of people did a I made you have a baby. That's like That was crazy. Having a baby. Well and also you know what's amazing about that is that there is a physical marker of that time.

I know. And it like we have known each other now for we're we're getting up on the Twenty years? Twenty years. Which seems crazy. It does. Everything that I think is ten years now is twenty years. Yeah. Pandemic really threw a whole weird thing in that. The eighties to us or the eighties to our our kids are what the twenties were to us. Exactly. They're like, Oh the Roaring Eighties. When everybody wore tuxedos.

But I wanna start John Hamm. Um the last time we saw you you were getting on a hot air balloon on this podcast. I was on it. I was on it. Oh no, you were shooting on hot air. Medius rest. And I hope you heard both the Adam Scott and Paul Rudd episode because we talked about you a lot. You know, we have talked about you on this podcast and that like early grouping of guys.

And it does feel very fun and magical to talk about it, not only because everybody was young and like just beginning, but it is feels kind of wild that you all met. Yeah, it's crazy. I mean it's it's absolutely crazy. Uh through Paul, honestly. Um here's how it starts. The genesis. Avengers assembled. Yes, truly at this point. Yeah. Um Paul went to Calls an Avenger, right? Avenger Ant-Man. Okay, that's an Avenger. Apparently. If you ask you. Changing what? Why are you so mad?

You have superpowers. Shitty superpower, you turn into ants? What the come on? Wrap it up. You did it. Grow up. Literally. Literally. The next the next movie is Grow Up. Yeah. Anyways, um Paul is from Kansas City, Missouri. Yeah. I am from St. Louis, Missouri. Right. Paul went to the University of Kansas. My dear friend Preston Clark was his roommate, freshman year at the University of Kansas. Paul would come back with his roommate Preston to visit St. Louis.

holidays, long weekends, what what have you. Mm-hmm. Um and we that's when we got to know one another. I was probably a a senior in high school and he was a freshman in in college. So that makes sense because there is this big brother energy that Adam and Paul have with you. Where you where you feel like they're big brother. You're only two Two or three years older. I'm I'm younger than Paul and older than Adam. Oh, really? Yeah. But Rud gives Paul also doesn't age.

Yeah, he has made a deal with There's there's a very terrible painting somewhere. That is just really rough. He gives you a lot of big brother energy in the way he talks about you. It's interesting. Why do you think that? I don't know. I don't know why. I mean, I think I've always you probably have had this experience with me too. I've always represented older than I am. Yeah, I've heard you say that.

when I was like a little kid, I was well not little kid, but like when I was a a teenager, that they were like, you're buying the beer. I was like, why?'Cause you look kinda old. I'm like, what thanks? Is it'cause you were tall? I have a deep voice. I I got a I got a beard early. Like I was just I don't know what it was, but it was it was very much that. Yeah. I played all the adult roles in call you know, like High school and college. All the real fun dad rolls.

No, great. And then like who's afraid of Virginia Wolf when I'm like nineteen? Like You should talk to Paula Pell who also talks about she always did the old Like same, same thing, same energy. There was something there.

I mean, I d I don't know. But anyway, so that's that's how I met Paul. Right. Maybe. So you're in Missouri and when you know each other and you do you say to each other, I wanna be an actor, so do I? Paul uh decides he wants to be an actor. He transfers from the uh University of Kansas to uh The American Academy of Dramatic Arts in Pasadena. That's where he meets. Adam. Right. I see. Adam's the California kid that

California kid who came down from Santa Cruz. Um and then we all then that this would have been in the early nineties. I graduate college, I come out here in ninety-four, ninety-five, something like that, and we're all there's this little percolating group of friends that nobody has a job. Um kind of except Paul. Paul was already famous. Like he he had gotten early success with whatever it was. Um Romeo and Juliet, maybe? Yeah. Who listen, Romeo and Juliet, kind of back to back.

But what's fascinating is you unlike some other people who like go through a pipeline before you start working, like, you know, the like a the a Juilliard conservatory or like Second City or whatever. You kinda go cold into LA. Like come in, arrive. I knew one person, Paul. That was it. And I had an aunt and uncle that lived out here. So I had a I had a a a place to to stay. Yeah.

Um, and then I moved you know, I found found an apartment, found a house to live in out in Silver Lake, which was very v you know, urban pioneering back then. Wasn't cool. I mean it was cool, but it was very uh out on the edge. Yeah. The swing you took to come out here is very impressive to me because it is like uh did you grow up knowing any actors?

Did you know anyone that was an actor? No. And did you when you were in high school and like like when did you did you do plays? Were you like were you like the jock that did plays? Yeah. My high school was one of those magical places that you were just encouraged to do everything. You weren't siloed. If you were a jock, you weren't just Yeah. And it was small But everybody kinda knew each other. My graduating class was ninety five kids. Yeah.

So I knew everybody in my class and we we were kind of all friends. Like you were friends with the violin kid and you were friends with the weird, uh beautiful artist and the kid that could sing opera somehow at 16. You know, there's there was a lot of talented kids there. And in fact From my school Yeah. Ellie Kemper. was one of my students when I went back to teach.

I know. Uh Heather Goldenhirsch, who was Tony nominated actress, um Stephanie Sandits, uh Leslie Stevens, all these kids that uh Sarah Clark, who was in my class, who was on 24, um, who dated Paul Rudd, believe it or not. Right. So we had this kind of weird concentrated energy that was very creative, but we were encouraged. So it was.

I dn I didn't know any actors, but I I thought, well, why not me? And they were like, We need a Willie Loman. We need a tired salesman. We need an eighteen year old Willie Loman with the weight of the world on his shoulders. Ham will do it. Do you ever feel though that you like could have been a were you ever good in a sport enough that you had like dreams like every

I thought I was gonna be a I thought because also the other half of my growing up was my best friend John Simmons. His dad was a professional baseball player. So I was like I didn't know a professional baseball player. And I was like, man, one of these days, me and John Simmons, we're gonna be. Uh what position did you play? I was a catcher. You weren't. Yeah. Yeah. Stocky. No, I was kind of the I was always I was always this shape. I was always lanky. Mm-hmm. Um... Mine?

Yeah, right? Wouldn't you say I'm lanky? Kind of lanky. I mean I don't wanna describe your body back to you, but I wouldn't use lanky. I f I feel wanky. Yeah. Maybe am I using that word wrong? Well? Unlimed and But I feel like you've got shoulders. I feel like To carry the weight of the world. You need it for your briefcase. All the both of those. And you're Sample cases that I Oh God.

Okay, so catcher, which I have to say, in all the I used to play softball in all the positions, I my two favorite positions were catcher and second base. Interesting. Catcher because I felt like catcher w catcher. Yeah, you're in every play and you're just like you're kind of like a coach in a way. You're telling everywhere to go and you're running the running the room.

And second base for almost the opposite reason, which is you're like, I w I don't I thought you had it like second base is a little bit like Yeah. Probably short stops. Like you know just like I Honestly in the hierarchy of who gets to call like a pop up, second base is like the last Yeah. Second base is like, I wanted to get it. I just it was over I thought Closer to you. But you can chat you can chit chat a lot on second base. A short throw.

Oh yeah. I mean I didn't have the arm. I never had the arm, but I had the mouth. Right. So so there was a party that was like, I'm gonna catch for the Cardinals. And then Yeah. And then I but here's here's what it really was, is that I realized probably even when I was still in in high school, I was like, oh, there's people that are way better than me at this. Like, like way, way, way better than me at this.

And so I kind of like I was early disabused of that notion. Very, very just I was kind of like, eh. Yeah. And also I realized that. And I have a lot of friends now that are that are professional athletes and you're like, it's a job. It's twenty-four-seven. Even in the offseason, you're training, you're training, you're training. So you better love it. I know. And I was like, I like it. Yeah. I don't know.

I know. And with sports w when I watched sports or when I even when I played sports, I was I didn't feel like I was playing or watching to like know how to do it for life. You were enjoying it. Yes! But with television and film I definitely watched it very intently. Me too. Yeah. So to f to put a point on the end of that story of like not loving not loving it enough to want to do it professionally, I love what I do. Yeah.

I mean, I really do. Yeah. And getting to do things like SNL and getting to produce and develop stuff and getting to have this kind of length and breadth of a career that you can look back on and go, man, I'm I'm pretty proud of that stuff. Yeah.

I love that. You did Shakespeare and do you shape do you did Shakespeare in theater? Yeah, in college. Do you understand Shakespeare? What's happening there? I thought it was pronounced Hamlet. Apparently it's Hamnet. Yes, I just found out it was Hannette. Uh no, I I l I did. I I really loved sh uh reading. This is part of when when I kind of figured out maybe I was gonna be an actor.

Is that I would read plays as a little I read like a banana's weirdo when I was a kid. Because I was a single a single mom. Yeah. And an only child. Yeah. So there was that was it. There were no internet, there were no phones. Uh video games were rudimentary. Yeah. Uh, so it was about reading, and we had tons of books everywhere. And I had a library card. Um, so I would go to the library, I would check out books, I would check out comedy records. Those are the two things that I got.

What did you check out? Do you remember? I mean it was bananas that I was a seven year old boy and I had like Richard Pryor records. The name of which I will not say out loud. But you can find out what it's called. Yeah. Um and but also Steve Martin, Bob Newhart, George Carlin, like just Yeah. Stuff that was whatever was there. What were your series what books were you reading like what kind of series did you love as a kid?

I read there wasn't really I don't I don't remember there being like um Yeah. I mean I I feel like Little House in the Prairie was for us kind of Kind of. Yeah. I know it's for girls. Um but I read It is for everyone. It's a lovely story. By the way, I did I did read I did read those. Um I read plays. And it was it was something that I would I don't know why I was attracted to them or whatever. I think I was.

You said earlier about watching T V and like watching it to learn about it. And that was what I thought the plays were. And I would read them and I would read them out loud to myself. Yeah. So my mom was like, you're a weird kid. Um but it was I would that was the f looking back, I think that was the first time I would think, oh, maybe I want to do this.

For real. Um, your mom passed away when you were young, when you were ten. What was she like? She was a pr a professional secretary. She was a very accomplished lady. She was the oldest of six kids. Um she was I don't know. She was just she was my mom. You know, it was like one of those I loved her. We had an amazing relationship. Mm-hmm. Um It's th I say this to people all the time. There there's never a good time to lose a parent. It stinks. It just does.

I lost my mom when I was ten, my dad when I was twenty. But I have friends that are our age now that just lost their parents that are d just as devastated. Yeah. So it was um it was brief, but it was uh significant. Yeah. Uh, my relationship with her. And and I still have probably the closest family member in my life is my aunt, her younger sister. Yeah. Who was the cool aunt'cause she moved out here to California. Yeah. And that's who you lived with when you came out here? Yeah, my aunt Sue.

Yeah, yeah. Because I mean it feels like hand bones the the um theme of a lot of your work and the things you do is like pff like Finding your family. Like Yeah. them, choosing them, making it like and you're in a and you're in a business that does that too. Yeah. You kinda you know, it's like the circus comes to town and you make new friends and

Um, you know, being on a show as we both were for s an extended period of time. Yeah. You definitely you definitely forge relationships that are that are pretty solid, you know, and and and don't really uh dissipate once the once the circus moves. Yeah, I know if you're lucky. If you're lucky. If you're lucky. And that's the that's the thing you were talking about, I think, with the people part of it, is like you know, you meet

We're all kind of crazy weirdos, you know, with different talents. But boy, you when you see when certain people come through your orbit and you're like, man, that that person's amazing. that. Well you must feel that way about people too because I mean do you ever get this feeling I get this feeling a lot where like I meet somebody and I'm like, oh, I be you know, we've known each other before in another way.

Some uh a lot. And and I kinda am I wrong that slattery feels like that for you? Yeah. That's my big brother. If I if I had a big brother, it would be him. I was uh I was just watching. I hadn't I have not watched Mad Men back since uh Well, I just finished and I've been and I I I I think I say sometimes on this podcast, the best thing about knowing other actors is sometimes you get to text them and be like,

I'm watching your show right now. You're so good. And I think I just did that to you recently. You did. Watched it. Well that that must have been the impetus for me starting it,'cause Anna my wife Anna and I had hadn't really wa I hadn't watched it back. Wow. It's the first time. And um so we're on like episode five or six now and I and I text immediately text What happens? Don't tell me.

Ha ha ha Um I texted Slide took a picture of it and texted Slattery and it was just like a little bit of a little bit of a little Twenty years ago, fifteen years ago. 20 years ago. Well, we um I don't usually bring this up early in the in the in the podcast, but I will now'cause it makes sense. So, you know, we do this thing where we talk well behind somebody's back before and we talk to slattery together. All right.

And he's the best and and he loves you. And we talked about just that about and it was funny because I said, Do you feel like a big brother, John? And he said. in a very big brotherly way. He was like, I feel like we're equals. I feel like I learn as much from John as he learns from me. I feel like I'm not teaching him things. I just feel like we're Um but that's also a very big brother thing to say.

Yeah, yeah. And I mean part of it was, you know, it's funny for me too, because I remember the first couple episodes or the first season of shooting the show and his son Harry was six, as was Kiernan, who played my daughter on the show, Sally. And now they're twenty six. Yeah. This lightning in bottle thing that just all of a sudden happens. I I point to Mad Men and and think like I worked very hard to get in that room.

I think a lot of people know this. You worked hard and you grind you were really grinding. For sure. Like you you uh you were working probably for ten years in diff in a lot of different things. Not quite ten, but but uh but a solid six or seven years a as as a working actor on stuff that nobody watched. Um Just Did you ever get close to stuff where you were I was it I was the other guy in everything. And in fact, the year I I got Mad Men, I had I had tested when we used to do that seven times.

I'd gone to the network the last step before you get hired seven times. For seven different projects? different projects. O four seven. What do you do you remember what some of them were? I don't know. Stuff Yeah.

now it just feels like everything gets gets produced. In the old days it was like they'd do a pilot, they'd test it, they'd see if it worked. Maybe you'd get fired, which I did on uh several occasions. Um And and it's so it's such a bananas way to do it, but that was the that was how it was.

And the madman audition process you've talked about many times, but it was Arduous. Arduous. It started I started at the very, very bottom. The first audition was a a pre-read, just reading with the casting directors. They didn't know my work. Not that they would. And it was in Santa Monica and I lived in Silver Lake. Mm-hmm. So it was like an hour and a half to get across town in the rain on a Friday. And I met them and there was another kid sitting in the waiting room.

And he was like it's like a sixteen, seventeen year old kid. And I was like, Am I in the right place? Like, what's going on? He goes, Are you here for the toothpaste ad? I go, Uh no. Then it was like, what what do they say? They're looking for somebody. Ha And it was literally they were casting a the other room was a casting a commercial and and this was they were like, No, no, no, we're in here. Hi, sorry, sorry. And I was like, Hi, nice to meet you. The next day was another one of those.

A few days later was then more and more people are in the waiting room. Then you start to see people that have signed up. You're like recognize that guy's name. He was on sports night. He'll probably get it. Yeah. Um, and it was that that that that that six, seven, eight times. And then they finally I got to New York. They flew me to New York on somebody's miles. And uh When you went in for that last one, Did you

The last one was was was meet the executives and Matthew Weiner to his great credit. He goes, I I go, Do I have this job? Like what's happening? You're flying me to New York. Yeah. He goes, I'm gonna walk you around the production office and I'm gonna introduce you as Don Draper and you're gonna act like you have a job. Oh Oh god, that's giving me. And I was like And you're like,

And he's like, Hey, we this is our Don, you know, it's John. I say hi to the cat the the costume designer and the hair and makeup and we're gonna do this and he's walking me around this whole thing and I'm like, I've not heard officially from anybody anything. Oh my god So then we go to to meet the executives from AMC, who are these four very young executives. Yeah, AMC was a young company. Brand new, brand new, hadn't done anything. We go and we have drinks and we're having a drink and I'm with

Matt and Scott Hornbacher, the two producers and and and the three uh executives and kind of holding my drink and I'm like, what what are we what is this? What are we doing? Is this a bit this is if this is a prank? This is the most elaborate meanest Принк. And so we're having drinks and they're like, here's to the show and I'm like, Yeah, here's to the show. And I drink the drink and we go and and and and uh and I'm like

We get it into the elevator. They still haven't said anything. And and uh and the lady who's in charge finally turns to me and goes, You know you got the job, right? Oh my god. Oh I didn't. This would have been way more fun earlier when we were having drinks to toast and do I said, no, we didn't. Uh but we go down the elevator and the elevator doors open up. There's a million paparazzi in in the in the in the lobby of the Maritime Hotel.

And I'm like, oh my God, like wow, that's that was fast. Like holy shit. But they're all speaking German. I'm not making this up. Uh, in the elevator with me was a very famous German football player named uh Franz Beckenbauer. Uh one of the like lions of the German Bundesliga, what have you. And I was like, oh, it's there for him. Guys, guys. These guys are not giving interviews yet. Let me get to the post. Oh in German?

Okay. Just a few madman questions. I know, you know, it the show is I just That part, you, that writing, that show, that show is Hall of Fame. Thank you. Hall of Fame. I don't disagree. I think it's a it's a great show. I was I was I was pleasantly surprised watching it back to to be to to not be mortified. I'm so happy to hear that because it is just pristine and your performance is so Good, so measured, so controlled, and it like all the characters in the show starts to unravel and the perfect

It does pay off. That's what's really I think really nice about the show is that as it as it does unravel, it kinda is a satisfying payoff for for kind of everybody, honestly. This idea that like y the character of John Draper is being presented in this way, which we like project all this stuff on him, just like we would any ad, any version of like a person. And then we realize he is a person. Like we all are like but

Heavily flawed. Heavily flawed, but yet what I love about the show is people change, but not a lot. So there's never like Matt Matt has said and I think it's a great way to describe it, he c he said I want people to realize that the the characters are are going to be just a little bit better at the end. Just a little bit.

Just a little change. And and Don, my God, you know, the the whole arc of the final season is him sort of shedding everything, his family, his job, his stuff, his and he ends up on the end of the continent. Yeah. The very end of the continent. And that's kind of when he realizes like, Oh wait, I'm really good at this job. I should probably just go back and do the job that I'm really good at. And my question to you is, having rewatched, and I don't know if you remember, but at the end, your uh

Dawn lets everything go. Can you just tell me about the scene in the group, uh the group therapy scene where that wonderful uh day player, uh sorry, I don't know his name, actor. breaks down because he feels invisible. Can you tell me about that day And reading that because that's a big scene to do at the end of seven seasons with someone who's not you don't know. No, I don't I don't uh that was the whole last half of that season for me was being away from everybody that I had spent.

That's right. ninety other episodes with. That's right. That's right. Slaty and I did our last scene. It's kind of a It's kind of a weird little nothing scene. It was just us in a bar talking about something. And I said, you know, this is our last scene together. And he goes, what? 'Cause it was like three episodes before we were done. He's like, No it isn't I go, And it was, it's kind of great that it's just that that moment. It's just that's what it is. And then you don't see that guy.

So there was a lot of that stuff for me. I was handling a lot of personal Michigas in my life, a lot of craziness. And just being on a show for that long is a lot. Saying goodbye to it. It's a grief. It's a grieving process. You know it very well. Um so that particular scene, and we were we we shot out of order. That wasn't the last thing we shot, obviously, but we we were on location. Yeah we were up in big circles.

Yeah. So we were even physically separated from Uh most the stages, all the stuff. um our trailers. I was living in a hotel. Like it was it was so it was like four or five days in a row up there. And it was heavy. It was super heavy work. Yeah. Um I very much felt the weight of the End of the show. Yeah. Um the responsibility of like, don't fuck this up. You can fuck anything else up, but you cannot fuck this up. This is the end of a very, very, very long story.

And if you shit the bed on this, it's not gonna... that will be what you are known for. Um, but I do remember that thinking that this kid is killing it. He was wonderful. And um everyone in the there were a lot of like writers interspersed. Those people that have never l watched Mad Men, don't listen to this part. But it is there is a moment, not to give too much away for people that haven't seen it, but I mean it has been twenty years, but the where Past the spoiler part.

John is uh like gone basically to like an Esilin like like retreat and to basically like to your point he's lost everything and he's in what is an early version of group therapy and the closest he's ever had to actually really truly sitting in his feelings. And a man Another man who he doesn't know is s expressing this thing that John understands really well. Deep dissatisfaction, deep un un What's the right word? Yeah, maybe it's just a little bit more than that. Not being loved.

Visibility you said earlier, that whole kind of thing and this refrigerator and the all this it's like it's a beautiful piece of writing. Um and it's it's an incredibly emotional moment, not only for this man, but for Dawn. And there's a there's a connection that they have. Okay. Well I want to slow it down because You know, I like to Talk to the TV. By the way, I did not know that. I'm an old air. I also am an old person in a young younger person's body.

I paused in this moment and I was just like, this is John Ham. Like, I was like, this is like the the moment when you approach and hug that man is such good acting. It's s you're it's like John. It's so, so You s you did stick the landing. You nailed it. I felt very, very good about what you did on the show.

And it was like it was like masculinity, which a lot of the show is about. And we are all like look like John Draper, John Hamm, Amy Poeh, we're all like living in a patriarchal world and trying to figure it out. and suffering in different ways. That moment when like two strangers, men of that generation are hugging, it is so moving. Because you don't really Don gets there on s under such duress and it's such a strange journey that he ends up there and he's

He's lost this connection with his his job, his his family, his his everything. It's really the Siddhartha kind of moment of just shed everything and to to discover who you really are. And there's a moment and of course The the the opening sequence of the show is this man falling out of a building and everyone's like, This is where he does it. He's gonna jump off the cliff, he's gonna kill himself, this is the end of the show, he's gonna die.

It could have gone that way. I think there's a version of this story where Don doesn't get it and doesn't allow himself to understand it and is so overcome with his emotion and his feeling uh of inadequacy and failure and what he has d uh what he has failed at as a f as a husband, as a friend, as a father, as a fill in the blank, that he does do that. But he doesn't. Yeah. He kind of takes it in, takes the moment. Feels the feelings for real.

And has the moment of clarity where he goes like, you know, and it's beautifully rendered with Coke the Coke ad and the iconic kind of moment of this and it's like, This is who I am. I'm an ad man.

So he go, do you think he goes back? Yeah. And Where what do you think happens for the rest of his life? Like how what is the what is the last act of Don's life? What do you think it is? Lung cancer. Yes. I th I think he goes back. He is a successful advertising executive and I think he finds happiness and peace. I think he connects with his children. Yes. Um, as we know, Betty passes away. Yeah. Um Yeah. You and January, you and Lizzie, you and Slattery, you and Christina.

Incredibly, incredibly lucky. My one of my favorite scenes in the whole show is the the the scene between I can't remember, I think it's season five, season four. Where we see Don and Joan kinda going out on a night on the town. I mean John and Joan never had enough scenes together as far as I was concerned. That's what kinda made it great, was that there were like two or three. Everyone in that show is just hitch perfect. And and you brought up the smoking. What did you have to smoke?

They were like those fake herbal cigarettes. But I think somebody did somebody watched the pilot just to watch how many cigarettes I smoke. And I think it was something like eighty.

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So uh Parks and Recreation and Mad Men were on at the same time. We were in we were we were fellow travelers. Fellow travelers and we shared um Uh you and I shared two things. We shared a production designer and Dan Bishop, who did your show and did we used to brag like, oh the bullpen of um the you know, the offices of Parks and Rec were designed by the same guy that did Mad Men. People were like, cool. Can tell. That was a big brag. We were like, um, and he's a genius.

Yeah, yeah, he's a great guy. And um the other thing is that you and I were at award shows many, many times. Продолжение следует... the losing end and so uh I gotta get to Slattery's question. Sorry, I'm all over the place, but I gotta get to Slattery's question. But before that, let's talk about Loser's Lounge, which we mentioned the very beginning. What was it? The losers lounge was a thing that we decided to do after being fed up with losing.

Yeah. Like let's take let's turn this frown upside down. Yeah. Let's not live in the We're not losers, we're winners. We're winner. Only losers lose. Only losers lose, and we are not losers. No way. So we decided that and I th I still think this is a great idea. I think we should have patented it and I think it should have been permanent. Yeah. that because also any awards night, there's way more people that lost than won. Oh yeah.

So we decided that there should be a celebratory place for the losers to hang out, the losers lounge. And if you wanted to come and you were a winner and you had a statue in your hand, you had to pay. Yeah. Add a pap. Charity. Charity. It was all a charity thing. It was a lovely charity. Worldwide Orphans, I believe it was. That's right. Um and the rest of us could get in and have a good time for free and it was a fun party. We so we threw a party a couple years in a row. Yeah, yeah.

We had a dance off. We had a pants off, dance off. And everybody wanted to get in and the highlight for me was I think I told you the story, the highlight for me. at the Emmys was the great my hero, idol Francis McDormand, won for I believe it was maybe Olive Kitteridge or one o uh one of the many incredible things she's done. She won. And as she was walking up the aisle with her Emmy, she turned to me and she goes, Does this mean I can't go to the loser's lounge? And you said yeah.

And I was like, Yeah, you're gonna have to pay. And I was like she did. She did. She came and paid. She came and paid. Um, that time of like being at those places together and losing was so fun. Because of course, who cares? And also the everyone's work was so great. Everyone was such a Yeah. I love everybody. We were all doing great stuff.'Caina was on thirty rock at the time. You were doing park. I was doing Mad Men. We had that one crazy fun night. I broke my toe. You broke your toe.

And we were like you and me and Tina and Claire Danes and we were all like Dancing out of angle. Like insane people. Like it was the last night on earth. Yeah.

And like describes like getting on a plane and like looking at the floor and there's like a pile of hair. I I I'm gonna beat that. I had just had my second child. I know. And I flew in for the weekend'cause I was well, yeah, it must I forget. I was in New York and I flew, I flew to California for the thing. I broke my toe on the banquette dancing, I'm a mother of two. I can't very

Young children. I can't walk in the airport. I'm like, I wake up the next morning, I'm like, I can't walk. Oh boy. I have to get on the plane. I mean, I I put like a hat on and sunglasses and like tape my toe and like Try to walk to the and I'm like I can't get a wheelchair. This is like too much. So I'm like walking and I hear Amy and I look and it's Bradley Cooper. The lovely Bradley goes, Amy, and I'm like, hey, and I look and I have like and he's like No, it's not, I mean.

Don't walk over and I'm like, Hey, Bradley's like, Are you okay? And I'm like, Nope. No, I'm very, very bad. I'm very, very bad. Okay. And so he has to hold me like an old like talk about old lady like And I got a little escort. That's nice. I got an A-lister escort. Wow. That was a fun night. Aim? That's all. The last thing you want the last word you wanted to hear. No, but but worth it. Worth it. Worth it.

I I will never forget that night. Lauren was Lauren was m uh there and and moving and grooving. We had a ton. We had a time. Okay, let's talk about you hosting SNL though. And I mean you're are you a five chimer? Four. I just had my fourth. I I took I did three in two years. Took a fifteen yeur itis. Yeah. And and came back this last uh this last year. It's been said and I think uh I've been listening to the set Lonely are. Oh you were on it too, I think, right? Yeah.

That was an amazing your time there was an amazing time. They're all great. You you you can't you literally can't stack them up against another'cause they're all different and they're all great. But it was so fun to be there with you. With Maya. Bill, Fred, Will, Kristen. Yeah. I mean, Seth, those guys you guys were I felt like we were just talk about speaking the same language. It was like I felt so comfortable there. Mm-hmm. Which was

you know, part of part of it was you're a guest in somebody's home. So you don't want to be too comfortable where you're kind of being shitty. Um but I really did feel welcomed there. I mean,'cause first of all, I'm sure you've told this story, but All right. pitch on Monday, my first time hosting, you guys all roll in in costume. Oh, that's right. Let's tell that story. So We all decide to dress up as the people from the first time. For pit.

thirty five people in a room maybe a little bit bigger than this? Yeah. So sitting on the floor, on the sofa, everything everyone is in nineteen sixties period gear. Yeah. Hater was in drag. Lux was in drag as Joan. John Lutz, writer. Paula Pell had a cigarette taped to her finger because she didn't know how to smoke. So she's like, I'll just tape it. And she and she would pitch like this. I and I was I didn't know this wasn't normal. Right. I was like, this is okay.

Really do it on Mondays. I thought it was a whole thing. Okay, well, nice. This is so fun. And that was the beginning of a wonderful relationship, not only with that show, but with so many of you guys. Um Mm-hmm. Sitting around that whole week The shooting with Jim Signorelli. You're ninety-five months pregnant. Yeah, and we've told the story a million, million times, but the fast version is Friday. I was supposed to do the show on Saturday and then give birth on Saturday.

And there was no doubt in your mind that you were not having this baby before. You were like I'm I'm it'll be fine. Mm women listening, it's you know, your first kid. You assume you're gonna be a f at least a few days late. I was weirdly feeling good. I was told you're not gonna be giving birth on before your due date. No way. Go finish your last show. Yeah, my first lesson in mothering, which was like Nope, nothing goes away.

And I really did think I would do the show on Saturday and then give birth on Sunday. And Friday night. We were shooting Friday night. And um we were doing like a pre tape and I got a call for my OBGYN. Office of your own.

You know, for people who don't know, when you get really connected to your doctor and you kind of think about your birth plan and you think about how it's gonna go and all of a sudden y you know, you realize well, you realize two things. One is that a lot of people can deliver a baby. Yep. And two um That's right, Seth Seth had his in a lobby. That's right, but he didn't have it. No, he didn't. Very true.

He didn't have it. He wore the same jeans that day that he wore the next day. Um no. But um Yeah, a lot of people can do that. Got the news that my OBG went and died. I started to cry. I mean heavy sobbing. Right, which is horrifying, a giant pregnant woman crying. It's not it's really scary. And Ham leaned in and said I know this is hard for you. I'm really, really sad. But this is a big fucking deal for me. You better pull your shit together.

And that's the face she made immediately, which I was like, Talk about in the world of big swings, that's a big one. That to me is and I've written about it. That's why you had the baby. That's something happened because you laughed at it. I think so. I think a big hard laugh. Ooh, I was Please let this go. Please let this go well.

And to me, the crying to laughing switcheroo, that's like we get about uh we get a funeral life where we're really, really deeply sad and then someone says something to make us laugh. And that Those two against each other feels like. I I think it extends your life. Friday night was like because everybody's so punchy by then. Mm-hmm. It was and I was I wouldn't I you couldn't drag me out of that studio. I was having the greatest time.

Yeah. I mean it it now it brings me to Slattery's question, which is Which I I thought was just a such a sweet question, which is and kind of back to what we were talking about about this idea of like finding community and family and places, all different kinds of places. But He was his question to you w his question was like, who do you look for for answers when you're feeling frazzled or lost.'Cause I was saying you have a big brother v you have a big brother vibe with a lot of people.

He feels like a big brother to you, but he was saying I I feel like I I I think a lot about like what would John do here? Like he takes a lot of counsel from you. Who do you look where where do you go where do you look? That's a really good question. Um I I and I don't have a I I don't think I have a have a go to, honestly. Um I've been On my own. in one way or another for a very long time. So I I'm I'm very self dependent.

I think part of my therapeutic journey has been sometimes to a fault where I won't reach out. I'll just I I can hang I I got it. I'm learning to get better at that for sure. But people Uh Like Lauren, for sure. Lauren I've definitely reached out to when I've had instability in my life. And you know Part of the magic of that man is that it he's so inscrutable and so Canadian that it's a koan in some way. You know, you get some kind of weird thing. Did you say Cohen?

Yeah, like a Zen Cohen, you know what that is? It's like a saying that, you know How do you spell that? K O A N I don't know that word. Sorry. I'll be interested'cause I don't I don't have a great definition of Yes, a paradoxical anecdote question or dialogue. Yeah. Well done. Okay, continue. So he'll say well, you know, then eventually you'll just be on the t shirt and you're like You know, it's it's that thing where you let go and suddenly you're finding yourself on Mull Holland.

And then maybe Mick will come by and he'll say, Go great. Um everybody does it. It's so great. But I but people like that. I I find that I Very much enjoyed. talking to my elders. Yeah. Uh I was uh not to be super name droppy, but last night had an amazing dinner at the Bruckheimer's house. Jerry Bruckheimer, who produced Top Gun. I think you worked for Jerry. Not that to my knowledge. What's that? The squiggles? No?

He was uh um yeah, Jer I never met Jerry in the booth when I was Eleanor in the squeak wool. But Jerry, thanks for the job. Didn't know, didn't, didn't know that you were the person that hired me. Thank you for. Yeah. Thank you for the jobs.

Sorry that I dressed up as Eleanor when I came in for the audition. You've been in some monster hits. Bridesmaids Town. Bridesmaids, you're so funny in it. What a funny, what a fun incredible movie. Yeah. I mean some fun movies for Big fun movies. I I'm How did you f how did you learn how to do a bo uh uh Boston accent? How did you I don't know, like anybody. Not like anybody. People can't do it really well.

Well, I mean I I famously did it in the town but uh I was making fun of Ben. That was the that was part of why it was easy for me. My guy wasn't supposed to be from Boston. Right. When I met all those FBI guys None of'em the the the Boston PD guys are from Boston. The B P D, the local guys. the way you're saying Boston is the correct way to say it. Well I True, trust me, we were immersed in Boston. Well yeah, you do a movie in Boston, everybody's in the movie. Yes, indeed.

Your cousin, your uncle, everybody, your friends. Talk about making a movie about Charlestown. Mm-hmm. Holy moly. Yeah. Talk about the guys coming out of the wood. Ben told me we uh we were gonna uh you were gonna you're gonna cast uh Tommy and uh and the other guy. Yeah. My friend Charmie's here. Yeah. We're here. Where's the paycheck? Yeah. And where's craft service? Yeah. And you're like, nobody's... Yeah, they said we're in the job. Don't worry. Yeah. Yeah.

We had guys that would show up and then were like, Oh, but I can't shoot here, I'm on parole. I guess too close to a bank. Ha ha ha ha. Sorry. Oh man. There were some characters. And it was a blast. It was a blast. And what about um thirty rock working there? Let's uh uh Tina Faye The show or the Okay, discuss. Tina, I credit Tina along with Lauren for allowing me to be in comedies. Nobody thought it's not like when you do Mad Men, they're like, I bet that guy's real funny. Ha ha ha!

He's probably got a bunch of impressions and bits and jokes. True, you're very serious in Mad Men. Yes. Yeah. So when Lauren asked me to host the show I was like, oh my God, that's the only thing I've ever wanted to do since I was since ever was beyatury night life. So I I was very excited. And then as we discussed, you guys very welcoming. Here we are, everyone's in costume. It's very funny.

The you know, read through that week, the packet of fifty. I think you were right next to me. I can't remember where you. Ugh, so f so fun. Mm-hmm. And then uh I I remember ra I think it was after read through or maybe it was on Thursday. But I was going down to the to to eight to do blocking of something. And the phone in my in the dressing room ring. Jesus, that's weird. It's like when a hotel phone rings. You're like, who's calling me? Who's calling in the room? This is very weird.

And I picked it up. I was like, hello hello. Is this John? I guess. Hi. It's Robert Carlock. We just want to know if you wanted to come do his thing on Thirty Rock. Uh uh it's kind of a love interest for for Liz and we're I was like Huh? Like the other thing that I wanted to be on is that. And Tina, unbeknownst to me, had called Lauren after read through and says this guy fine. How is this guy? as Tina is wont to do. Like gimme the the the straight dope. And Lauren.

I mean in it's like when you're in that space. We were on parallel tracks. Like we shot our pilots in the same studio. Mm-hmm. At at Silver Cup. Right. Um So we kind of we were and and they were they were winning for comedy and we were winning for drama and it was like Madman thirty rock madman thirty rock Well you weren't winning, but they were winning. Yeah. Tina's love language is

writing incredible material that you get to do. Like that's like how she sh like it's like it's the m nicest gift is that she gives you. I recently got a text from Tina that was the beginning of my character arc on the show, where I played a perfectly normal human being. Now, cut to season whatever where I have two hooks for hands. And I'm falling and the reason I have hooks for hands is because I thought I recognized my old football coach when I was getting out of a helicopter and I waved.

So she was like, remember when this guy was a normal person? Normal person? Well it it didn't last. Long.

Um, okay. And then the last thing, Ham, I wanna ask you about,'cause I love it, is I loved you at the Super Bowl enjoying Bad Bunny. And I People bad bunny came at a time where for a lot of people it was like we were we're, you know, we're looking for something, anything. Any any expression of joy. Any exactly. Any artistic expression of joy. I know you are a huge fan of his. You went like wha what was it like watching that and tell me why? Here's why.

My wife, Anna, who I met on the last episode of of Mad Men. Okay, can you tell everybody who she played in the last The the receptionist of the Eselin like place, the girl with the pigtails. Incredible. Who then gets put in the Coca-Cola commercial. So this woman clearly has an effect on Don and clearly had an effect on John. Um we ended up getting married at the same place, same location. No. Yes, ma'am. They better giving you that for free. We worked out it next year. Who era bomba?

It was a beautiful, magical experience and lovely. Um so Anna had gone. to Colombia with her sister and her best friend on a girls trip. And they would go to the dance clubs at night and after dinner or whatever and shake their butts and have a good time and they were like this there's this This guy they keep playing Bad Bunny. No one had heard of him. This is like twenty eighteen. He wasn't even played on the reggaeton stations in in in LA or Go to New York. No one had heard of it.

And we had started to kind of see each other a little bit here and there. And we go out in New York City and they play me this bad one. Who is this? Our text thread is called Bad Bunnies. That was just our first and I I was like, I fucking dig this guy's. Energy, sound, whatever. Yeah. So over the course of our relationship. This is the soundtrack to our relationship, really. That's so nice.

So it's and it's and it's just organic. It wasn't so we had heard about He had hosted the show or he was a guest on the show on SNL. Got to go to that. Mm-hmm. We found out he was doing this residency in Puerto Rico. And I was like, and to Anna's great credit, she's always like, What if we did that? And it was a blast. Yeah. That was the first time I went viral. Uh was was i in the casita. Uh Dancing. Just dancing. It was fun, man. He's fun. We had a dance party at f at uh.

I love dancing. I love dancing. two. And so there's as you said. The world was was a little Is. Of of a bummer. A lot of above. Yeah. But boy, man, for 15 minutes of that halftime show? Yeah. And what a message. And what and what a and and not for nothing. You forget that he had to perform a little No kidding. Like oh he's single onto a tracker, whatever. Like no no no. He was jumping off a roof, climbing on a pole. Spike in a football. Trustful. Like a real one, not a fake one. Up in the air.

Ten out of ten, no notes, perfectly executed. Then you go and you listen to the words and you're like, oh man, that's a nice Yeah. Maybe if we look back in five years, this is the tipping point. And if it is, what a kick-ass. Thing to do. Yeah. Remind everybody that maybe together is a little better than siloed and apart and Uh, and that joy is kinda great. And that's the same thing.

A million ways to be an American and that music is like like that when music does that, I feel like and I mean I I I know you feel this way about music too. Like there's something about music that can shortcut yeah in a way

Universal language, they say it uh always because y y it doesn't matter what kind, it doesn't matter what it is. It can be aggressive, it can be soothing, it can be all of the things, but man when it hits the right buttons, yeah. Juancito Jamocito. Yeah. Do you speak? Spanish. I do speak Spanish. Pretty well. You do? Pretty well. I I've I I learned it in high school and then I worked at a million restaurants in Los Angeles. Yeah. And then you get really

Do you have a an accent? Like a is it do you have a Puedo hablar en español un poquito más que las otras lenguas que aprendía muchos años pasados, pero sí. And the last question I have for you is um what are you laughing at these days? You know what I watched recently that that really made me laugh that I think you would really like? Yeah. It's a show out of Canada called Heated Revenue. Yeah. No, it's not bad. That's a bit. That's called a bit.

It's but it does have to do it is Canadian, it does have to do the hockey. It's a show called Shoresy. Oh, I love Shortsy. That is making me laugh. And you know what it's also making me do? Yeah. Cry. It's making A really gr it's a great show. Okay. I've only watched clips of Shortsy because you know, I t I I I I've seen him on 6 episodes a season. Oh really? Oh I love that. Yeah. Uh him okay let's watch. Jared Keiso. Okay, tell me more.

Uh uh was on a show created a show called Letter Kenny. Yeah. Which is a very, very Canadian show. But very specifically funny. Maybe not to everyone's taste, as as as as things should be. Yeah, comedy is very subjective. Subjective and the reason he did this was because he

came to LA and they were like, You're too Canadian, you're too this, you're too that. And he's like, fuck it, I'm gonna go back home and I'm gonna make a I'm gonna make my own show. Mm-hmm. Um and he did. And then he spun it off into this thing, Shorzy, and it's Shorzy's about this um kind of local hero legend. He plays on the local men's hockey team. And it's kind of the point of pride for the small town in northern Ontario that they live called Sudbury.

And the co over the course of the of the series, they they win the championship. Then he becomes a coach and he tries to teach the kids. It's a tremendous show because it it highlights most of the uh people in in power that are running things are women. Mm-hmm. Many of them are First Nations, uh Indigenous Canadians. And it's not made a big deal of. It just is. Yeah. Thank you. And his relationship to all of that while being this Yeah. bruiser is very soft. Yes, yes.

They're always interrupting. They're always and their overlapping dialogue is really It's tremendous. It's a tremendously ambitious show that delivers. So I I'm trying to Pump their tires a little bit. I wanna find though the scenes where he's um hitting on Oh when he hits on on the girl who he who he really loves. It's so I'll make you feel and Laura. I'll make you so happy. Okay, that's the stuff that I see and it's so funny. It's such a funny move.

Also like it's also Deeply sentimental and heartfelt. Agree, that was I was like, Oh, I wanna watch the show'cause his move, his comedy move is like I'm gonna love you so hard. And she's just like, I'm not interested and it's so good. Sure you're gonna wanna enjoy the perks that come along. It's summer in Sunday. Fucking play a Del Caro It's not fucking bello horizonte.

Oh, so good. Such a good show. Okay, we gotta check that out. Um, well, John Hamm. Amy Polar Bear. Buddy. I don't have a lot of I break down a lot of doors, a lot of walls. You know, I'm it's nice. The guys you do are great. Yeah, I know. All of our buddies. It's it's nice to be uh it's first of all, it's so great to see you. You too. I I really do miss you. Um we don't hang out enough, but I'm glad we got this one in. Um Same. You are the best in the biz. And uh.

Yeah. Consistently make me smile and happy and I look forward to your new show, which I know is coming out. Oh my god, we didn't even talk about your friends and neighbors season three coming out. It's so great, it's so funny. Congratulations on another big hit show for Apple. Yeah, season three starting. We'll start shooting that in uh in uh late April. Season two will come out in early April and it's very fun. So fun stuff. Shooting in New York City. But lots of nights. Yeah, lots of nice.

I saw I saw in that first season I was like oh you have to break in the right. They they uh they they they almost broke me on that. I bet. I was like, we gotta find a way to break into these houses during the day. Well, I'm very happy to call myself one of your chosen sisters, Ham. You're happy I'm happy to be one of them. So thanks for doing this. Thank you. Love you. Love you too.

Thank you so much, John Hamm. It was so good to have you and see you and um I love talking to you. And you know, um John and I talked about a lot of things and I mentioned a very brief anecdote about Probably my favorite actress, Frances McDormand, and so

For this polar plunge, I just wanted to remind you all how great she is. I just rewatched Nomad Land the other night and oh God, that is a good performance. She's just good in everything. She's So interesting and smart and cool and uh Francis, if you're listening I love you. Um, never change, please. Um, I'm just a big fan of your work and um

And check out Francis' work. You know, it's these kind of polar plunges. Thank you, Francis, for your work and thank you, John Hamm, for coming today and for your work. And thank you just for Oh my god. I don't know how to end this. Okay, bye everybody. You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss Berman, and me, Amy Polar. The show is produced by The Ringer and PaperKite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane.

Kaya McMullen and Alea Zanares. For Paperkite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss Berman. Original music by Amy Miles.