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Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Good Hang. We have a great guest today. It is the one, the only, Gwyneth Paltrow. Gwynneth and I We we get into it. We're gonna talk about a lot of things. We're gonna talk about um codependency, um uh bone density. I mistake her for Nicole Kidman and um and will never forget it for the rest of my life. Um and and also we talk about her new film, Marty Supreme, out now, uh, and her return to acting. So it's that's a great conversation.

Um and but you know, we always do this thing before our guests come and join us where we talk well behind their back and speak to someone and get a question from them. And joining me via Zoom

is the director of Marty Supreme, Josh Safty. Josh uh has made an uh a bunch of really amazing films, including Good Time with Robert Pattinson and Um uh Adam Sandler's uh uncut gems and this is another, you know, big hit. So uh let's join Josh and see where he's uh where he's talking to us from.

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Am I catching you in a trailer or in the back of a kitchen? Yeah, in the back of a kitchen. Where are you? Where are we talking to you from? Uh I'm in I'm in uh I'm doing grueling press in London and uh they double booked me. They this was kinda added late. So I'm actually eating In the kitchen. Oh, yeah. And I said, I can I do it c they said, can I do it in the bathroom? And they said

No, because we need to have access to the bathroom. I said, Do you have anywhere that I can do it? So I said the pastry thing because it's like morning stuff. So they said it's pretty There's the traffic here is quite minimal. So Well, you know, as a director, it kind of makes sense that there's some interesting depth to this shot. Yeah, yeah. I I hope so. I mean I'm I actually am hoping that people there's some really good pastries here.

Yeah. Really like look. Let me see. Let me see. Oh geez. We got a croissant. We got Can we see that? Yeah, there's like a braided something. What is that? Hello. Sorry. Now there's someone coming to get the pastry. Thank you. Listeners, now the someone came behind and are grabbing the pastries from behind our set. And we're gonna need those pastries in there for continuity. We gotta get those pastries back, Josh.

Some more. So We haven't had a chance to meet you and I am a huge, huge fan of your films and your work. Sorry. Wait, listeners, there's another person behind Josh getting some more pastries right now. This is amazing. Sorry about that. Well, it's hard to make a good movie. Congratulations on making many. And this movie seems awesome. And you you work with Gwyneth and Timothy Chalamet, so many other great people in your film.

First of all, your casting is super interesting. How do you approach casting? You're like you have someone in mind when you're writing or like how how do you approach casting in general? I for the mo I for most of the writing process I try to think of somebody and write with their voice. So like casting Gwyneth is reason why I wrote it for her.

It's like I have this memory of her. Obviously she's was acting until pretty recently, but I have this memory of her as like a teenager, as like a kid in the movies, like you know, obviously. or earlier like seven and and hard eight pta and fincher and my cinematographer shot seven like those were like early like you're into film you're like wow these are so but then like

talented Mr. Ripley and Great Expectations and A Perfect Murder, amazing movie that she plays and later Two Lovers by James Gray. I mean she's talked about as a movie star who hasn't acted in a long time immediately. And that I think for her also was really, really special. Um, because it was it was easy for her to tap into that. But she like brought she's cool, she's like

like a boulder but also a feather at the same time. So she's like she she brings that to the movie in such a great way. But she she said to me right before we started shooting I I I scheduled it so that the first thing that we shot was um her like acting on sta her character acting on stage for the first time in 25 years. So and she turns to me, she's like, I I hope I remember how to do this. And it was something so like, this person I like,

looked up to and one of my the greatest actors and I just, you know, revered her. And now she's coming to me and she's so vulnerable. And it was so human. It was so like Perfect. It was so perfect. That's the thing I think is so interesting about Gwynneth is She balances those two things, like a lot of real like self-awareness and self-assuredness and confidence, and then a very open, creative and vulnerable quality, both of them a lot. And and

I I really um I I'm so interested in talking to her about exactly that. That that moment in your film. Oh great moment. Great moment. Yeah, and and it and you and it's shot so beautifully and captured so beautifully and it does feel like we're talking to her in that moment when she's feeling like I'm an actress again, whatever. And do you ever even really stop? And to your point, I mean, n she is one of the guests that I feel like is the most projected upon. She is used to being looked at.

Which is already har a hard thing. Like she can withstand being looked at. That's a hard thing. I can't. No, I I it's I can't. I like my I got I my wife and I got married in at City Hall, partially because I didn't want to like stand on a aisle and get looked at. And she's Like as people say, she's got that dog in her, you know, and she can she's she's a lot. I mean, when I first went to meet with her, I just kept telling my agent.

Please just get me in front of her. I was like full on Marty and I pull up to her house and I go in and there's this thing that Hollywood does that people don't sorry. Um but there's someone else coming for croissants, but uh people people don't know about this. And it's something that I like learned in Hollywood a little bit later.

It's like when you go and you meet someone, in particular someone of power, you go in and they have this trick that they do. I'm sure you know about this, where you have the assistant or someone they work with comes in after 15 minutes and they say, Oh, you know, we have your next meeting. is here. Do you want me to push it or do you want me to like, do you want to?

You know, jump now. And they that's like a little thing is to get them out of the meeting. Like, this is a hard one. I'm gonna get out of it. And I saw her her assistant come in after 15 minutes, like, oh man, that was so brief. And but it was we were really connecting on the the history of this character. She's like, no, you know, just push it. I was like, all right, I'm in. And she pushed it like four times. So when I left, I was like, I think I did it. I think I like convinced.

her to do this just based on the push rule. Yes. Well, I know you are about to eat and um there's nothing more str You know, it it's the first rule of directing. When you have a croissant in the shot, you're gonna have to eat it by the end of the of the one of the ones with the little look at this over here. Look at this. Let's see what else we got. Josh is directing us. Ooh, oh, chocolate covered donuts?

Um okay, so uh to to finish out, we I asked my guests, uh my uh Zoom guests to give me a question for uh the guest I'm talking to today. Is there anything big or small, you know, important, not important, that you would want to hear in this conversation with me and her, or like you wanted to always ask her, or

advice or thoughts or anything that comes to mind. Oh man. Uh what did your son think of the movie? Beautiful. Because you guys just had a premiere. He just saw it. And I spoke to him very briefly and he was that he felt He like had this kind of

high about him, but I didn't get to talk, you know, you get pulled in all these directions, but um I wanted to talk to him more. And his his name is Moses and the dog's name in the movie is Moses. And Moses Moses is the purveyor, the moral. He's the moral purveyor. I love that. And also Josh, I just find it so awesome that you know as the movie's coming out and it's getting these huge reviews and it's

it's out, people are getting to see it. You still care about what people think of it. You know, like it's it's important for you to hear how it's in the room resonating. In the room. I try not to pay attention or read the stuff. Well I'm here to tell you it's a hit. Oh thank a hit baby Oh thank you You got a you have a good meter on you so that I'll like think you're not bullshitting me there. No, it's a hit. The kids love it. The critics love it. Awards all day, babe, get ready!

I don't believe in jinxes. Thank you so much for your time. I can't wait. Thank you. Send me a photo of you eating any baked goods that you get to get in that kitchen. Okay. I I really hope the camera didn't see me touching the food. No, we so much. Thank you so much for your time. Such a pleasure. Have a have a good time talking to Gwyneth. She's she's

It's like talking to a movie star. I I can't wait. Okay. Okay. Thanks so much, Josh. Appreciate your time. Bye. Woohoo. This episode is brought to you by Visible.

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I like that better. Oh thank God. No, I'm thrilled that you took my advantage. Oh God, these are the worst. Yeah. I felt like they were like these big boingers. Like why do I need to do that? And were they clip-ons? Yes, and they were really painful. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah, I don't think you need to boing it up. No more boingers. No more boingers big boingers on your ears. That's what we're saying for twenty twenty six.

Hi. Hi. I'm so happy you're doing this. Thank you for being here. I have not seen you in such a long time. No, I was trying to think. Um, I feel like the last time we may have seen each other was Rob Lowe's sixtieth birthday party. The most incredible young looking sixty year old in the world, Roblo. Incredible. It's all the plastic surgery. Yeah.

Over and over and over again. Over and over. Um, I mean and and I I feel like I I I got to see you briefly there and sat next to your wonderful husband and had a really good convo with Brad. But um Oh yeah, that was it. But we didn't get to We didn't. We didn't get a good hang. I'm very excited to talk to you today. Oh, thanks. Thanks for being here. Please lower your expectations. I do enjoy a low expectation too. Um

But um I wanted to kind of start in the present. You play this character and Marty Supreme, who is Coming back to acting. Yeah. You are also doing that in a real way in the film. You haven't been in a movie for ten years? And there's this really beautiful moment in the movie where the actress hears the response and it's really cool and and has this feeling of like just I don't know joy of being doing something again. Did you feel that when you were making this movie?

I did. I did feel it. I was so um I don't know, it was like such a special group. You know, sometimes you do a project and you're like, Oh, this feels really special, you know? It feels like it feels like we're making something worthwhile. I don't know if people will like it or not, but it's like a real swing and everyone's great at their job and And so I was like, wow, I think I missed this, you know? It was like it really, it, it, it felt so, I don't know, like.

not pedestrian. Like it felt very unique and like Special. So we had this thing where we talk to people uh behind their back, well behind their back before they come on. Oh boy, okay. And we talked to Josh Safty. Amazing. And what was it like to work with him? What what kind of director is he? What was that experience like?

It's just great. I mean, he's brilliant and kinetic and, you know, what I love about working with him too is you never quite know what he's going for. So you never totally relax. you know, you're like, what is he actually saying? Like what what do I uh or like he'll you'll do something one way and then he'll

ask you to do the exact opposite and then back to the first way. So you're like, what do you want? What are we going for? And I think that's by design, you know, to sort of unearth something surprising or very real or do you like that when people keep you challenged a little bit?

Yeah. I do. Yeah. Like'cause it's like a trust that they feel like you can handle it. As long as I think they're a good director. Right. Right, because when someone's doing that when you're w I'm sure you've had this happen. There's no worse feeling in any job that you do, anywhere where you show up where you're like, uh oh. the person in charge is not ready or not good. It's just I think what happens as an actor on that set is you

become risk averse. Mm-hmm. You're like, uh, I'm not gonna go too far out on a limb here'cause I don't know if I'm in safe hands or not. Well, are you the kind of person that would take over situation if there wasn't a good captain? No. I mean I would like

in the A D department. I do anyway. I'm like, guys, come on, let's go. What are we doing? Me too. I'm like Yeah. I actually it's actually like a problem I have to work on, which is like stop trying to shape the day. Right. I mean, I just like, I think I have an efficiency issue, you know, and Uh like when I I think what also really messed me up was when I went to go do Glee and I saw how much they got done in one day. T V isn't incredible. It's a machine. It's like

You are never sitting there. You work all day, everything's so quick. Yeah. You leave the set and you're like, oh my God, we accomplished so much. You know, we're like on a Marvel movie, you're like in your trailer for fourteen hours. I know. And and and for g and then even take take T V and then go to SNL, which is an emergency room, which is like, We need something tomorrow. No problem. And then in films it's like

Like six months out and we can't do it. Is anyone gonna come and get me? I'm gonna die. You're gonna die in my trailer. I know time is really weird. It's weird. Yeah. Like time is your currency. Like that's

That's the only thing that's important left. That's right. And we're not getting they're not making any more of it. So Josh was so so and and he said something very sweet, like his question, um for you, which w is such a director's question and such a question from a director who's

film has just come out is what did your son think of the movie. He wanted to know what Moses thought of the movie. That's so sweet. He loved the movie. Yeah. He was I mean, he I s when after the screening when I saw him I said he's like it it was incredible. It was I mean, I had to kinda watch like this because there's some kissing sure.

So that he was not a big fan of. Yeah. But other than that, he loved it. So many people project so much stuff on you, Gwyneth. Like you get so much stuff projected on you and you spoke uh At the Hollywood Reporter event, you were receiving an award, the Sherry Lansing Um Woman Leadership Award Leadership Award, and you spoke really beautifully about it. About this idea of versions of ourselves. Because I do think that every woman, every everyone, man, woman understands it like.

Hopefully if you're doing some work and you're having some life experience, you keep kind of shedding stuff and figuring out things about yourself. And having those versions kind of be out in the world is really difficult because people get to have opinions about it. But everybody understands that feeling. Yeah. Okay. With that in mind, I wanna go to like the tiny doll, the the little Gwynneth, because

I I kinda I I know people that knew you when you were little. You sure do. You know, um Maya Rudolph went to elementary school with you. Um, what do you remember about being with her when when you two were little little people? Well, our fathers were best friends from Tulane University. Wow. And So Maya came to our elementary school r right after her mother died, unfortunately. And I remember my dad saying, Oh, my friends, you know, daughter's coming. And we just became great friends since

seven years old. Um, you know, I think our our senses of humor really develop together with uh, you know, our other best friend and or a couple of them and then they all went to high school together. I moved to New York. Okay. But um

stayed up close with them forever and ever. It must be nice to have Dick Rudolph, Maya's amazing dad, in your life too because he knows so much about your dad who passed. Like to have somebody who knew your dad when. That's always important, right? It's so important. Yes. It's like

It conjures them again. Yeah. You know, when they're in the room, they they talk about'em and then it's like all of a sudden you feel the person. It's so nice. So then you go to New York, you go to Spence. What kind of high school like what who are what are you like in high school? Are you Confident.

I think I so I I we moved to New York City when I started seventh grade. Mm-hmm. I was coming from California, you know, so I was like a very rare bird. Mm-hmm. And um middle school's so brutal. I know. It's it's so tender. It's very tender. It's like Scarring for life, I think. It is. And it's very um everybody's trying on a lot of things. Exactly. Like maybe I'm emo, maybe yeah, maybe I like

I only talk to animals. Right. I was trying all kinds of things. How old were you when you did your was Heart Eight your first film with PTA? No, my first film I was uh probably eighteen, something like that. I had a few films where I had like one line, you know. Um It's h sometimes it's hard to have one line. I know.'Cause there's a lot of pressure. And you're like in the mirror saying your one line, saying it again. Did you ever get fired from a job?

I got fi I got fired from like I worked in Madison Avenue at a toy store and I got fired. But you mean like a movie job? Why did you get fired from the toy store? Do you remember that? Oh, because I was work my parents always made my brother and I have jobs after school and So I didn't know that like, oh, everyone doesn't just go on spring break. Like people have jobs. So I went on spring break and didn't tell anybody. And then I came back and I remember the look on the woman's face. She's like,

Where are you? She was like, No toys were sold. She's like, You this is not how life works. She's like, You you're you're done here. I was so crushed. Ooh, yeah. I was like twelve. It was really it was brutal. I should have sued her for child labor law violations. Um anyway, I I feel like I got I did get You know, I was supposed to do a movie at at one point where

And it was like right after the kind of conscious uncoupling thing with Chris and there was like a lot of a lot of harsh stuff in the press. And I think the distributor was like, This might be too Too hot to touch. Interesting. Yeah. They were like, we don't need the heat. Yeah. Interesting. So that was great. Because I was getting a divorce and then I got fired off. And you were like, Oh sorry that my divorce is bothering you. Yeah, sorry. I mean

If I can stay there for a second, boy, it uh you were ahead of your time. Yeah. You really were. Uh because you Which is good and bad. I know. It's not probably not easy. I think you've been in that position before. But you you like you gave a war uh you gave and it wasn't your term, it was a term you were talking about. Yes. Uh to to like bracket this idea that if you want to, you can try to make um the dissolution of a marriage be one that isn't

Deeply painful. You can try your best. You can have all of the feelings, but you can still try together to make like a conscious effort to do that. That's what you were talking about. And it's really interesting that people had such big reactions to that. Huge. Because I think like say you had had a really nasty divorce or your parents had had a really nasty divorce. And then you hear this idea that like, you don't ha it doesn't have to be done this way. Think the implicit

learning is like, oh fuck, like they're saying I did something wrong. Like and which of course was not the intention, but I think of course that I mean, that makes sense to me. Like Oh no, like are is is the inference that I mess someone up? Like that's not a nice thing to contemplate. Mm-hmm. So I do understand why it was so personal for people'cause it was. Like you you only get see that kind of reaction.

when it's personal. So true. And I think too, you know, we all d we're all di like when we're defensive. Yeah. about anything. It's saying a lot about about something. And when we're hurt, we we're we say things we don't mean, you know, we or we get angry, we respond. Like that's human that's humanity. Yeah. Comedy is a little bit interesting in this way too, which is like

what we ridicule, like what we make fun of it says so much about us, like what we laugh at makes says so much about us. What we think is and It's it's it tells on you, like it really tells on you. Totally. Um You reveal yourself. You do. Yeah. Um and I have to say, I've always really admired your sense of humor about

people's reactions to things. Like you have to you have to kind of have it. And we got to experience I mean we we I got to like do S and L with you and see how funny you were. And it was really We had fun. We did have fun. I was just thinking today about the stuff that we did together. Do you remember? I was thinking about that I was thinking about that sketch we did.

Where Will played our dad and we're gonna be like and we were like gangster teenagers, like thinking we were we were gangsters. Yeah, like I think the joke of the scene was we just quietly ate dinner. We were like Scraping. Yeah, we would we would like have an outburst and then go back to like quietly eating like awkward teenagers with the family. The second time I was definitely less nervous. The third time I was Yeah, I feel like I got to sort of enjoy and it was fun to like

meet different incarnations of the cast and stuff. And like I think I was on like Jimmy's first season. I know there was a sketch with you and Dratch and Jimmy when they used to do like Sully and Denise like Boston teens. Oh yeah. They were at the prom.

Oh my god, that's right. I totally forgot about that. And you did a pretty good Boston accent, I have to say. Thank you. It's not easy. It isn't easy. And now I married a guy from Boston, so Does he does he I mean Bostonians are really picky about The Boston X. Yeah. Well there's different kinds. There's sort of the Patrician one and then there's Which is pr pretty much gone. Pretty much gone. The Kennedy one is kinda gone. Yeah. And the there's this like kind of your local dunk and donuts.

Really a Boston accent, except like on O words. Like he's like stock. He says stock? Yeah, you can just like it's like very Oh, that's nice. Yeah. He's like socks. It's just subtle, but it's there. Totally subtle. I get it when I get a little angry. Or a little tired. You do? Mm-hmm. I had a hard time when I would do Parks and Rec with the word um I still have a hard time with it. Government. How do you say it in that'cause I wanna say government.

Right. Like I wanna gov I wanna skip over the E R N. I wanna get rid of the R. Yeah, get rid of it. Yeah, gif who cares? Who cares? Say it your way.

Okay, you're you're an actress, you do fifteen movies in five years. Wow, that's psycho. I mean, babe. That's problematic. How did you do that? I have no idea. It's probably why I quit for 10 years afterwards. I was like, no, I'm not doing fifteen. That's insane. I know. Can you imagine? I just like that, but like this sort of touches back on what we were talking about, which is

I didn't feel like I knew myself and had the agency to say no. I I I felt like I better just keep going and going and going. And I didn't bring a lot of strategy to it. You know? Yeah. Well you don't know what you don't know. Like we can't be tough on ourselves. We were you know, you you're trying to figure out, especially in your twenties. I mean, your twenties is I think a d a really difficult decade.

Oh my gosh. It really is. It is. And there's so it's just you don't know at all who you are. If there's a problem, do you like people how do you like people telling you about a problem? Let's say Um, I'll make up a problem. Like let's say someone uh

isn't isn't gonna show up for something that you wanna do. Like you're you're scheduled to do something day and it's not gonna happen. How do you like being told about the problem? Just straight up. Yeah. That's what I suspect. I don't want to preamble. I don't want you to soften the language. Just be direct. Same. A direct approach. It's always an and Are you direct with other people? Yes, now I am. And I didn't used to be. Do they do you what do you do when you notice that your directness

makes them uncomfortable? What do you do with their uncomfortable feelings? Well I'm a recovering codependent. Mm-hmm. So I used to do anything and everything, not to say the thing that would make the waters choppy. And then I realized how many more problems I caused. Like real problems, you know? ISO relates. Can you say more about this? Yeah, like I've

When you don't say what needs to be said in the moment to spare somebody else's feelings, first of all, like you're rejecting the truest part of yourself. Mm-hmm. And then it's gonna come out another way and that's Like you'll end up being dishonest. You'll end up not saying what needs to be said. You'll end up stringing out some lame relationship for eight extra months and treating them not so nicely because you have stuck yourself in something. You know, you just make a mess.

Yeah. I think around the time I turned forty is when I started to move into this like I really need to stop doing this. And I worked with a coach on how to hold the uncomfortable Feelings of somebody else and disappointing somebody else. I really had a problem with it with men, like when I worked with men, really hard time disappointing them. um or saying something that wasn't aligned with their version of things. Mm-hmm.

And and now, um, I don't know, and then it's so self honoring when you s just speak the truth and you can do it very kindly. Like And it's also not your responsibility to take care of somebody's feelings when you've simply said the truth. It's a huge uh not just women, everyone needs to learn it, but especially when you learn as a woman our age That people are responsible for their own feelings. It sounds like a very simple thing, but it's very, very hard to learn. Yep, yep, yep, yep.

Now that you're in a new film. Like, are you able to look back at some of the films that you've been in and see Like be kinder to yourself about stuff? Like are you able to be a little bit sweeter to yourself about anything? Yeah. I mean, I think As far as the work is concerned, I think now that I had such a long break and things have changed and you know it's like now I'm like the venerable old, you know

You know what I mean? And like I did this interview with Jacob Ballorty the other day and he was like, You've done this and this and I'm like, fuck, I'm old as hell. Like so weird. People are like, My mom, I loves you. My mom was in high school, she loved S and L. Oh my gosh. Mom, like how old am I? Like, um, but I I do think that you know there's

There's been a bit of a it's so interesting because now I'm like, oh yeah, like I did these things that now, you know, at the time you don't think that they're gonna be whatever. And then it's like a you know, you people send you ten pictures every Halloween of Margot Tenenbaum costumes or like people say like

Oh God, I had a sliding doors moment where I X, Y, and Z you know what I mean? It's like Yes cultural things are stuck. Yes, exactly. And and I and oh, I worked with this great director in his first film and this one and his second. This one is first. I'm like Yeah, cool. Like I did do that stuff. That's neat, you know, and it feels like

For the first time I'm able to feel the impact of the work that I did earlier in my life. Okay, so with that in mind, I'm gonna do a quick speed round with you about your movies.'Cause you've been in so many.

And I feel like you've talked about them forever. But here we go with speed round. Shakespeare in love. Uh what words help you get into a British accent? Um You know, it's like the vowels, like you sort of have to change the placement of the vowels. Like so any any words like um Uh the A's, the O's and and words like perfect. Cold Mountain. How cold was the mountain? I wasn't in Cold Mountain. Oh, forget it then. But thanks for thinking I'm Nicole Kidman. Bonus! Ha ha ha!

Wait, why did I get a big bonus? I don't know, but I'm so happy. Eyes wide shut. What was it like working with your husband with Tom Cruise? Oh, he was hot. Yeah, I bet. Iron Man. Um, is there a lot of waiting around? You answered that. That was my question. Is is there a lot of waiting around on Iron Man? So much waiting.

Crafty must be good. Marvel Crafty must be insane. I don't know. Oh interesting. They cheap out on the city. You know what I have to say? I think like I think it s snack foods can be Dangerous. And snacking is like, at least I I know for me, is completely emotional. Yeah.

Completely emotional. Yeah. It is, isn't it? Yeah. It's just like if you're not having a cigarette or you're going through Those were the days. I know. Remember cigarettes. We talk about it here and we know they're very bad for you, but God God that's a good thing. I know, man. I I know. You know what I decided when I'm like eighty seven, I'm gonna start smoking again. Fantastic.

I mean, I remember when we were in the two thousands when w there was a lot of that. And then also you were the first person to say the word macrobiotic biotic diet. You were on a macrobiotic diet. Yeah. That was that was a great phase where it was like cigarettes. And tofu with the brown rice and the seaweed. Like I don't know what I was just cleaning your house while it's on fire kind of thing. Exactly. Yeah. Okay. Um, sliding doors, you you mentioned it. Do you ride the subway?

Do I ride a subway? Yeah. I mean I haven't in a while because I don't live in New York City anymore, but when I did I took it all the time. Yeah. I feel don't you feel like New Yorkers are just New Yorkers don't care? They don't care. Yeah. Uh contagion. Was it weird that everybody was watching it during the pandemic? Yes. Everyone was watching it. I know. Everyone got really into dark shit. I know. And it's like they wanted to see

I know. Your character, your character. It was very weird. I know. Um Royal ten and balms. Halloween costume. Yeah. And so much more. And so much more. You're smiley. What's your what I just love I really love that movie. Yeah, it's a great movie. And I had such a good time making the movie. Yeah. Such a cool character she's so cool. She's so cool. She's so cool. I know. With her wooden finger. I know. Her cig talk about cigarettes. I know.

And I'd quit smoking and then I had to s smoke in the movie and And you were like oopsie. I was like, I guess I smoke again. That um fur coat. Whose idea was that the coat? That's all Wes. Wes West Wes knows every how he wants every SINGLE prop and costume and everything. He's so wonderfully specific. I loved that. Like I loved stepping into this drawing, you know, of his. Yeah, that's what it felt like. It's so cool. Talented Mr. Ripley.

Did you speak of clothes, did you ha use any of your own clothes in that film or did you keep any of the cl you're so I should have kept some you know, I should have kept some I wish I had kept a couple, like one souvenir from every movie. Mm-hmm. But I never thought to do that at the time. I I

Anne Roth, who's like the most legendary costume designer, did that movie. Yeah. And um so she was just so amazing. Oh, I love those costumes so much. But legendary costume designers can also be really intimidating. Like they'cause they they don't let you keep anything. That's true. View from the top. Do flight flight attendants talk to you about that? They do. Yeah. That's the that's the that's the best part of having done that movie. Do you ever think about like

a fantasy other job you would do? Would there be a job like i it whether it's flight attendant or like where you would feel like you'd be good at it? I would like to be a chef if I wasn't. Like I think I could have done that. Well. I love cooking and food and yeah. That that would be I w I could have like a little restaurant somewhere. Mm, you know. Um a hook. Yeah. Robin Williams. Oh my gosh. I I didn't get to do I thought you were just about to say I wasn't in hook. No, I was panicking.

Panicking. Don't don't think I will forever think all my whole life that I said you were in Cold Mountain. Well I just want you to know. This is an honest mistake. I mean I Nicole Kidman and I are very Interchangeable. Thank you very much. But hook, did you work with Robin? No. I didn't did you get to know him? You know, I only got to know him a bit when Goodwill Hunting came out because I was dating

one of the people who w wrote that movie and was in that movie. We're well aware. And um so I got to know him then. So you guys were dating during Goodwill Hunting. Fantastic Boston movie. After Okay. But when it was coming out. And so he was around for that press and stuff. Yeah. He's so good in that movie. That movie really is I love that movie. Me too. It's a perfect movie. I agree. It's a fantastic movie. And it's so um

Uh, it's so uh uh like rainy day movie. It's like a rainy day movie. Um and um Elliot Smith who did all the music and Gus, like it's just perfect. I love it so much. What's a rainy day and w if what's a movie that when it comes on you're like Jackpot, I'm gonna watch it? Like a rainy day. You know, a plane movie. Something if you're like I like like all the eighties movies, you know. Like like Santa Mosfire. Uh huh. I will never not watch that if it's on

I you know, getting back to Rob Lowe, mm-hmm, Rolo, as we called him on set, I would just sometimes like sit there and she always she loves it and he's never had a n he's never really had a nickname, you said. And the best thing is it like didn't spread as much as you guys tried to make it a thing. And we all call him Rolo. We call him but it doesn't go outside. You know what I mean?

And he really w I think wants it too. Of course. He's he's like, I've never had a nickname. I know. He loves it. I remember like the first day uh on set me saying to Rolo Uh it was his birthday and he was shooting on his birthday and I was like, Oh, have you ever been on set for your birthday? And he was like, Yes, like four hundred Right. You've had a long career. Um San Almo's Fire, Billy Rolo as Billy. Rollow as Billy. Bad boy. Can't change him. Heaven. Heaven.

He was never my celebrity crush. Who was? I mean, well Keanu Reeves was my first like real but when I watched St. Oma's Fire, like I wanted to Like I would have gone with Judd Nelson. Oh interesting. You wanted them more professional. Yeah. Yeah, Billy was too happy. You know, really like smart and cheater. Like that was my type. Yeah. Also, when you rewatch that movie, it's like everyone is so dressed so professionally. I know. Like they're every we really did dress like

We were i when we were in our twenties we dress like we were sixty year olds. Yeah, the eighties was and it's happening again now. You know, like not the Wall Street thing, but sort of like this sort of grandma chic, like all the all the hipster cool kids are sort of You know, it's like the soft everything's soft shoulders and knitted things and I got a quarter zip just for this interview, so you tell me. It's looking really good. Thank you so much. You're welcome. Um

Okay. And Han, both Han, you brought up Rashida, both Rashida and Han love you and talk about how fun it is to hang with you and and how Like they both. You know, and and they're I think representative of a lot of people who kind of want to know what you think about things'cause they trust your style, they trust

you're uh what you said like the work you try to do to figure out what is the best thing of things. And it's not even about the things. It's just like, is there someone who's keeping an eye out um Keeping an eye out and figuring out like is there a better way to do something? You love that. Love that. S where do you think that comes from?

I think I'm an Enneagram one. Okay, jackpot. Here we go. So like I'm always trying to improve everything. Great. So for people and I I don't know anyone who's listened to this who hasn't, hopefully What is Enneagram one? How it just are you into the Enneagram thing? Very much. Again. Okay, do you want to guess my number? Nobody ever gets it right. God. Here we go. I'm always I always get the wrong I always people guess the wrong number, which

Saddens me. Because I love Can I ask yes, ask them. Ask some questions. Please. Okay. Like how would you describe yourself as someone who really enjoys a dinner party? Yes. Okay. Would you describe yourself as somebody who is very focused on achieving? Yes. Are you a a peacemaker? No. You're talking about three, you're talking about nine, I'm neither one of those. I know, that's what I just gleaned. Yeah.

Um so how I have a peacemaker a wing. Okay. Ah. So you're a one. You're not a one with a two wing? Okay. You're not an eight. Yes. You are. I okay. You're an eight. You're an eight. I am an eight. You're an eight with a nine wing. Yes. So I'm not a monster. Right,'cause I got a little peacemaker in me. Yeah. But I'm a ch I'm the ch I'm a challenger. I okay. And I and it's I I I think I hide it, but I definitely relate to all of that feeling of like

Authority stuff and challenging a little bit and wanting to lead and want and feeling very happy with direct people. Like I'm I I'm like you. Like I really like when people tell me the truth and are direct. I can handle it. all day long. Wow. But when people come sideways, I'm like, what's going on? Yeah, it's such a bad it gives. Yeah. And I love Enneagram ones because ones are on it. Yeah, we're on it. And

They believe in like getting it right. They're the hardest on themselves. Oh yeah. They are really hard on themselves. Um top. But we are trying to make things better, right? We're the reformer. So you're always and and have always been like refining to figure out what is the better way to get efficient, like to do it like Yeah, to improve yourself, to feel contentment, to, you know, reduce inflammation, to be a good m partner, to be a good divorce person. Yeah. Okay, so with your

striving for perfection in mind. I have another one more speed round. Oh. Okay.

Perfection speed round. Here we go. Make it perfect. Um cold plunge, a lot of controversy about whether or not it's right for women. I said that I do it and there were a lot of comments saying it's not good for women. Do you do it? Do you like to do it? How do you feel about it? Uh I do do it more sparingly. Like my husband does it every single day. Mm-hmm. So I spent a lot of time researching this. And what I think I understand that the net net of it is: cold plunging is not.

unilaterally terrible for women. But we kind of need to listen to ourselves and maybe not the water quite as cold as the men. Like that. Maybe not quite as long as the men. Um And, you know, to just be mindful of where where we are, you know, if we're exhausted and, you know,'cause it can be quite taxing on the body, but it's still There are still benefits for us. Speaking of temperature, what do you like for your sleeping temperature?

Well, the older I get, the colder I like it. Me too. Um I like, you know, in the sixties. Yeah. Me too. Ooh. Cozy. Alcohol after fifty. Oh, why did they have to ruin it for us? I know. It's like it's a dis it's a disaster. Such a Bummer. Coffee? Yes, big time. I'm a big coffee drinker. Uh, how do you how do you drink your coffee? With h raw heavy cream.

What? I know. Shocked. I know. That's very New York of you and not California. I know. Good job. I'm I'm like the alt I'm not the alt milk queen. Yeah. Same. Yeah. Oh, do you have regular milk? Or cow milk or half and half. Yeah. Yeah. No shame in it. But I don't really do coffee, I do tea. Oh. Because coffee Mm-hmm. Very English. Okay. Lemon water. Love it. Great. Bone density. What are we gonna do about it? We are gonna we're gonna, you know, talk to our doctor about

Potential estrogen supplementation. Uh totally. We're gonna do heavy weights. Yes. Lots of heavy weights. Are you doing heavy weights? Yeah. I do it on this giant really heavy Pilates reformer thing called a Legris. Fantastic. That seems to be great now. Yeah, China former. It's called the Legris. It's very, very good. And we're gonna gag down protein 70 times a day. Bone broth? Has that come and gone? Bone broth is I still I still like bone broth. I

I I think it's it's fantastic for your gut. It's full of protein and collagen, all the things. S for some reason people thought I I only drank bone broth. That yeah. I I'm but I I'll have it as like a cup of tea in the afternoon. That's my favorite way to have it. Interesting. Uh sleep routine. Talk me through it. Okay. So I have to take a bath every night and wow. Yeah.

Have to, non negotiable. Interesting. And if there's not a bathtub, then I have to shower. Like I gotta get the day off with water. And I think part of my good sleep routine is eating dinner early, so not going to bed on a full stomach. Yes. What time do you like to eat dinner? I make my reservations at six PM. So do I love it so much.

And I w honestly sometimes I like to be the first person in the restaurant. I I was last night. I did five forty five last night. Incredible. Oh no. To be in bed and have eaten by eight o'clock. Is there anything better? No. I think about bedtime all day. Me too. I love it so much. Me too. And then Brad and I usually watch something in bed which I know you're not supposed I know. But you know, it's so deeply relaxing to me like get in there in a cold room and like watch some serial killer.

Something so great. And then, you know, go to sleep and then oh I have mouth tape and earplugs. Mouth tape. Yeah. I'm big into the mouth tape. I know that's controversial too, mouth tape because There's a whole mouth tape movement, there's pro, there's but but mouth tape is helpful. Do you are you a grinder?

I'm a grinder. Yeah. So it's helpful for me. Also, I really believe that there's no one size fits all solution. Like we're all so different. Totally. We have such different genetics, different phenotypes, different tolerances, allergies, toxic loads, like we're all this idea that one thing works for everyone, I think is not true. See, this is why we love you, Gwyneth. You it's true. You just said all this stuff and it was like You're...

You are not selfish. You are not a gatekeeper. No, that I am not. You're like, I'm trying this. Would you like to try this? I don't think this works, but who knows? Right. You are it's interesting. It's kind of like the the um even though you're maybe consider yourself a person who's trying to get it right, you're not afraid to like try and fail with things and you share it with us. For sure. Yeah. Yeah. I I believe in

I mean also because I'm such a researcher and such a guinea pig, like I wanna share I wanna share the learnings. Then take it or leave it. Okay. And then the last thing I'm gonna ask you about is um

What is making you laugh? So the thing that's made me laugh the hardest in like the past year. Mm-hmm. When was the SNL thing that I lazily did not go to? You didn't go to the S N L fiftieth? No. Wow. I know. It was a mistake and I regret it. So I just want to say that out loud. You were like, oh that's You just thought like Oh, I'll wait another fifty years.

I was like, it seems like I w I had so much work at the trip. It's gonna be hectic. And I was like, I gotta go all the way to New York and I had something the next day. And so I just couldn't go. Yeah. But I watched the thing at um Radio City or whatever. Well it was the night before thing. Yes, incredible music show the night before. Wait, what are you gonna say? I love it. I don't know. I'm gonna I'm gonna try to When Anna and Will did the church thing. I talked to Anna about it.

Bobby and Marty. Did you write that? Oh, I wish. No, Paula Pell, the great Paul Appel. I incredible writer on SNL and performer. And Anna and Will do these Bobby and Marty cults. I I And she starts singing Kendrick Lamar. Yes. And what Anna said, which was so incredible, is I gotta tell you something and I I think I said this to Anna, but I just wanna extrapolate for a second about it.

To me it was so it was like such a win for the comedy kids because it was such a cool night. They literally followed Lauren Hill. They came on after Lauren Hill. I mean and their job was to settle everybody. They had to go like, We're gonna wait. We're gonna wait until you stop talking. Quiet they kept telling everyone to be quiet. And it was so funny. To me, that's like That I don't know what brand of comedy you call that, but it's like that funny bones.

Where what what what was the Kendrick Lamar song? She's like, um Oh we gotta we gotta look at it for a second. It was what was it? What was it? Please, please. Yeah, let's just watch it. And I hope we can get it on wait like is the fiftieth SNL. Yeah, it was like on Hulu or something like that. Here we go. Honestly, I Commitment. I'm sorry. I know the commitment What kind of humor? What do you call that? I'm sweating.

Like real to me, what I would call that, honestly it's a great question. To me, I would call it like committed. We got a spit take, our first one! We know of course the take on Good Hang and it's quitting. It's all over my skirt. Here we go. Here's some t sh good hang tissues. Ha ha ha. I can't breathe. It's so funny. Wait, let's play it again. Oh my god. I'm sweating, I'm dying. Ha ha ha Oh my god, okay, so that's called sketch comedy. I made it fail!

We're having a hot flash. Oh my god. I'm the one in the quarter zip. A sketch comedy induced hot flash. Yes. I feel like what you're talking about is real, which is I feel like it is commitment. It's commitment. Here, I'll take it. I'll pick it up on my way out. I feel like it's commitment. And I feel like it's character based sketch comedy with music.

So to me that's like the funniest thing I've ever seen. I know you mean. I like, you know, it's like these weird specific things. And in person it was so funny.

That was really fun. It was really fun. Quinneth, I'm thank you so much for coming on. You're such a good hang. You're a good hang Thank you so much, Gwynneth. It's so fun um to hang with you. Uh and you gave us this first bit take that we've ever had on the show and we hope it's not the last. So thank you so much. And you know, for this polar plunge, um

I want to talk about polar plunges. I want to talk about cold dips. There was a lot of controversy when I brought it up last time. And I am here to just remind you, you don't have to do it. I like it. It makes me feel alive, slash, like I'm gonna die. And I like it. I know it might not be good for all women and um

Maybe it's not good for me. I'll find out. Okay? But I'm gonna keep plunging. And um it does make me uh feel better, okay? I don't know. I don't know what to say. I appreciate Um uh I I I'm not telling anybody to do it, but if you wanna do it, I think it's great. Okay, anyway. Thank you so much for listening. Thanks, Gwyneth, for joining us and see you soon. Bye.

You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss Berman, and me, Amy Polar. The show is produced by The Ringer and Paperkite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane. Kaya McMullen and Alea Zanaris. For Paperkite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss Berman. Original music by Amy Miles.