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Hello, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Good Hang. We have an incredible guest today. It is the one, the only Billy Eilish. Billy! So great. Love her. And we're going to talk about so many good things. We are going to talk about how important it is to laugh.

Um, we're gonna talk about intrusive thoughts, what to do with them. We're gonna talk about how much she loves to sing and how lucky we are that she loves to sing, because she's the best voice in the world. We are gonna talk about how she saved an animal that was in her own walls. And uh we're gonna talk about her new concert film, Hit Me Hard and Soft, coming out this week in theaters. So much to talk about.

She's the best, Billy. And um, you know, we always like to do something on the show. We like to ha uh speak to someone who knows our guest and wants to speak well behind our guest's back. And who do we get? Phineas. Of course, Phineas. her brother, her collaborator, an incredible producer, and musician, writer, composer, um, who probably knows Billy better than anyone and um very nicely uh is speaking to us while he drives his car in LA. So

Let's get on let's get on the Zoom with Phineas. Phineas? Hi. This episode is presented by Hilton. Guys, you know what vacation perfectionism is? It's the pressure to get your family's summer vacation booked and make it perfect and memorable. Stressful, right? Don't worry, because the team at Hilton takes care of what matters. So you can exhale and disconnect.

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Well, the softball game, the park, the Saturday morning softball game just ended. Okay, cool. I'm pulling over. I'm taking taking this Waymo's space. Here I go. I'm pulling over to really f look you in the eye and focus. I have a question about the Waymo. A lot of people who don't live in California don't experience this Waymo, which is a driverless car. Yeah. Right. What do you think happens if you if you hit a Waymo? What happened?

Yeah, I am much more blasé about cutting off a car with no driver than I am about cutting off another human being. I Yeah, I don't care. I think it's really interesting that we treat driverless cars like with derision like we're we we're like, whatever, don't let the Waymo in. But we kinda love the little shopping cart thing that rolls around. That is adorable.

Have you ever been in an LA intersection where the little robot delivery cart meets a Waymo at the same time and they just stand there together like they're in love, I assume. Uh I like that. No, I have it. I look forward. That's gonna be that's gonna be like s you know, a four leaf clover in a field. That's gonna be Keep your eye out for that for that meat cute. That that meat LA meat cute. Okay. I guess my what I what I wanted to ask you.

Before we get to your question, and I know you're literally uh pulled up over on the side of the highway, so we won't keep you. But um you have made A point of letting us in on your creative process a lot, which I really appreciate as a person who tries to make things. What do you like about letting people in on that? Because people some people don't really feel like they don't like to do that. What do you get out of showing people how you make things? I like it because

There's it's it's be become in the music production space more and more popular. I would say that like when I was thirteen and I was scouring the internet trying to find the kind of videos that we've made a lot of, I was finding some but not a ton. And man, I find them inspiring. You know what I mean? I see here comes a s a a fire truck. I'm gonna wait for a I hope it's a Waymo fire truck in nobody's drive. Yeah, nobody driving it.

I find it I find it so inspiring as a consumer to be like, Oh, that's a laptop that I could buy at the Apple store and that's a microphone. Like there's kind of there's a kind of a magic and mystery in hearing a great song that makes it feel unattainable to me. And I think that when I see somebody break it down.

Um, I go like, oh wow, I could do that. And I think also I'm I'm always rolling my eyes in the music space at people acting like they have some secret sauce, secret ingredient thing. Yeah. And To me it's like, no, no, there is nothing. It's all just like I had an idea and here's how it is and it's probably simpler than you think it is, or maybe it's just more tedious or painstaking, you know what I mean? So

That I love that quality. I love and I also think that like it connects people to the to the project more. Like I'm a DVD. behind the scenes commentary of a movie guy. I love learning about the process of making the thing. And I think it makes you love something more. Any creative process, like they're all kind of similar. It's like a lot of trying things in real time and then like a lot of jokes.

to like get your brain off lines'cause you're you can't think anymore, which I I I can t like I love that you and Billy, when you work together, you do that a lot. You like use comedy to switch yourself out of a rut or out of a mood or something I've noticed. Yes. Do you think

D where she cracks me up so much when I make her laugh, much like your laugh or like Conan's laugh or something, like she has a laugh to me that I'm like, oh, like that makes me feel so good to make Billy laugh. That's such an eldest child. Oh, Phineas, it's so nice. Cause okay, I'm the oldest. The eldest child. We have it the worst. I'm sorry, it's the hardest. We have a lot of weight on our shoulders and we're also really always trying to get our younger sibling to laugh.

feel better. We're like the we're we feel we feel a lot of obligation. I don't know if it's different for oldest boys, but what do you like or not like about being an eldest child? I guess the only thing I don't like is that on a good day when I feel like I'm really in the pocket, it seems like, Oh, it must be cool to have an older sibling. That seems What I'm saying.

Like the T period of time where I could drive her places and shit like that, I was like, this is awesome. Um, so that's a kind of a con. Like, I wish I had uh A cool older sister or older brother or something. Uh and then the pro is just having a younger sibling is awesome. You know, and uh and getting to like roll your eyes with your parents about your younger sibling growing up and like they're they're being insane. Being the being the favorite, that's awesome. like being a favorite.

Oh my god, I know. So you talk about like, you know, liking the idea that you're Billy's protector and and you're also obviously So important in her life and her career and you guys are also doing tremendous things separately. And what I wanted to ask one last question is how would you describe the way you like to work? Um my fantasy is that you get in a place with somebody and the

Pre rec is that you go in there and you already think they're talented. Even if they're not successful yet, they've done something that you're like, I am attracted to that quality. I think they have an amazing voice or they're a great writer or whatever it is. So you already come in an admirer.

And then you hang out and you make each other laugh and you have a cup of coffee and you let your guard down and you talk shit about something. And then you're like, oh damn, like we probably only have like 90 minutes before you have that. Flight back to New York. Do you want to try to make something really quick? And then you make something in this kind of like pressures off.

um expectations have gone away, sort of a thing. And then when you're in that process, you get inspired and you get passionate and you get the kind of feeling that we all get of like, no, no, we want to make this the best it can be. But that it's all inside this kind of you know, eggshell of like, we're just like they're, you know, we're just having a blast here. We're just having a great time.

And I don't think that you're a failure if you don't make something today and you don't think I'm a loser. I don't know if you've ever met Mike Scher, who's a show runner and writer. I have not met him but I'm an admirer. I know who he is.

Mike remind me of each other a lot. Um, and when I've heard you speak, and because it's just basically this idea of like you can decide that chaos is gonna be the thing that's the agent that creates creativity, or you're gonna or you can decide it's connection. And you it it c sometimes there's an truly eccentric, chaotic experience. It's like, holy shit, we made something for but for the most part, like if it's chaotic and not connected, it's hard.

And also imagine, I feel like the the real pivot for me was like I was very ambitious as a 19-year-old, 20-year-old. Mainly because I didn't I didn't want the opportunity to go away. I felt like we had this great thing. I didn't want to lose it. And I was stressed. I was like, oh my God, like I don't want to fail. And I think that then we succeeded in a bigger way than I thought we would. And then

We've had sort of ups and downs as everybody does. And I was like, Oh, okay. So then if I really have no control over whether something succeeds or not, I might as well just have the best time possible making the thing. Because The couple times in my life that I've been involved in making something that was unpleasant to make. Yeah. I didn't really care if it succeeded. I was like, that was horrible to work on that. Yeah. And especially if it failed in whatever metric or capacity, I was like

Oh my God, what was the point of all that? That was awful to do and then nobody even liked it. And now I work on stuff and I'm like, well, you can't take away from me that I had this amazing summer. I mean, it's part of the unfair thing about working with Billy for me is I'm like, I'm expected to work with people that I love so much less than my sister. And you know what I mean? Like year when you spend about a year making a record and I'm like, Yeah, that's a year I get to hang out with Billy.

like three days a week and have a wonderful time with her every time. And the idea of like getting in with somebody that's a stranger, it could lead to that, but it's like unlikely that I'm gonna love somebody that much.

So what do you love about your sister? I love so many things about her. I think she's so earnest and sweet and um hard working and Um, I think she sees the the world through a totally different lens than I do. And then there are things that we, you know, feel similarly about and we think the same thing about. Um, I love disagreeing with her about stuff. It would never for no reason, but I love finding out why she feels differently about something. She's so competitive. I love that about her.

I love that about her too. I'm not a competitive guy. Like we lost this softball game. I do not care. Like that is not a pr a problem to me. And if Billy were at this softball game with me, Billy would be sitting here next to me like Kobe when Kobe would lose the championship. Like she is a she is a fighter. And I love that. And that's lucky for me to be, you know, on the same team as. Um and um, you know, and she's an amazing

A compassionate, sort of loving person. She got all that from our mom. She loves animals of all kinds. She's incredibly environmentally conscient conscious. She's she's learned so many lessons that I think take other people a a longer time to learn if they ever do. Agree. So I'm an admirer of all those things. Oh, thank you for saying that. So well said. And so to our last uh to to let you get back on the road and uh honestly

Take a look at how you could have done better on the field. Because that is important on your ride home. Um, what uh what do you have a question? Uh uh anything you think Billy would want to talk about or you know, uh yes. Okay, you got one. You got one. I do, I do. Okay. So I think The the best way for me to phrase this is to not over explain it to you because I think you learning it from Billy is funnier. Okay. I want you to ask Billy what tomato bisque soup is.

And I want you to ask Billy how she lost tomato biscs. Fantastic. Perfect. This feels like family lore. I can't wait to get into it. It's shockingly recent. This is not some thing from ten years ago. This is like this is Fresh. This is Friday. Oh my God. Awesome. Okay. Phineas, thank you so much for your time and doing this. And truly, any time you want to come in here and talk more, I would love it. So Be honored. I'm a big fan. Thanks again. Have fun.

Thank you so much. You're the best. Talk to you soon. And nice to meet you. Bye. Bye. This episode is brought to you by Visible. Ah, spring is in the air, which means it's time for some spring cleaning. We're decluttering the closets and finally tossing those mystery cords. But while you're cleaning out the junk drawer, take a look at your wireless bill. Don't fall for wireless traps.

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Oh my god, Billy Eilish is here. Billy! Okay, I mean, you're a tiny, you're a teeny tiny. But you're a giant But you're a teeny tiny. You're a teeny tiny lady. What are you talking about? You're a shorty like. I am shorty. I am a shorty. This is true. You're a shorty. You're a tiny shorty. Five two. Five two? And you are I'm five three. We'll see. Whoa, it's five two. Yeah, we'll see. Should we high should we height track? People who are five two like to say they're five three.

Well, you know what's interesting? I've been five three. I'm still saying that I'm five three because I I feel that it's not true that I've grown an inch, but I did just go to the doctor and they t checked my height and I was five four suddenly. And I've been five three since I was like twelve years old. So I've been telling everybody that I grew an inch. I've literally been going around and being like, guys, I grew an inch.

Do you think you have good posture or do you think your posture has gotten better? I think my posture's better. And I think my posture's generally good. I do have the phone, the iPhone bump. Yes. You know the iPhone bump at the top of the spine kind of vibe. But other than that. Yeah, because you probably have like Alexander technique dancer training posture stuff. Yeah.

Well, but well done. I've actually have been working on my posture because Is your posture bad in general? It is pretty bad. It's getting worse. It's getting worse. And I it's getting worse. Interesting. I know. Because of this? Because of working? Because of sitting?

No, I think just'cause well maybe'cause of computers and phones, yeah. But it might just be like age and yeah. So I have to work on it. Okay, so Billie Eilish is here, we're working on our posture. You're a teeny tiny, but you're a giant. You're a giant in every industry. Okay. Same thing. I don't know how to not Totally praise. So I'm gonna take it slow. Okay. Very, very pumped that you're here. I'm such a fan of your work. I am such a um uh a fan of how you work.

And you've been very generous to us, uh people who don't know you but get to experience your art. You've been very generous in like showing us how you work. And I am like really blown away by how you approach your art and your work. because what I feel from you and I think is true is like you have this thing and a lot of it comes from your family, the way you were raised, like this kind of like the way in which your family the people around you like made you like a citizen of the world. Yeah.

You're not you don't feel above people. I know. And because of that, it's like you're in in it with us. Like this whole thing feels like we're in it together. You're like you're physically in it, like you're physically in the crowd. You're physically in the room. Like you you put you throw yourself in. Sometimes they get nervous for you. And then but you also because of it, that's why we feel as as fans, we feel so connected to you. And my God.

The other part of you that I love is you're so funny and you love to laugh. Like comedy is so important to you. Oh my god. I was literally saying yesterday I was with my friends and we were talking about how We live to laugh. I just I literally live to laugh. I said this to my friend because she was talking about relationships and she was like

She was like, Well, I just didn't laugh. And I was like, Well, bitch, you live to laugh specifically, and I do too. And so when you're not with somebody who makes you laugh, Anyway, she the rest of the day she kept being like, I can't get over you saying live to laugh. I know. It's medicine. It is medicine. Amy, thank you for saying all that stuff. Oh my god, my God.

Um God. Also you're like us as fans. Are you kidding me? I'm such a fan. Wow. Thank you very much. But yes, I feel I feel one with the world and the fans and the Well, I think like the comedy part is important because it is like, you know, you can do so many things well and you're you're in a family of artists who do a lot of things and you're doing a lot of things. Yeah. But the comedy part if like I'm curious where that where

I'm curious like what your relationship was to comedy as a little kid and a young person and like your family, like you guys laugh a lot. Oh yeah. And you all have good senses of humor, like really sharp Yeah, I mean my mom was was My both of my parents Gosh, this is amazing. I literally like have never talked about anything in this realm, which I'm loving right now already. Um I mean my mom was in the groundlings, so she is just naturally very funny and very quick and witty and like

Has so many characters, and so does my dad. My dad is like an incredible face maker. He makes amazing faces. And he and I used to have like face making competitions when we were when I was a little kid. And um so I would always see them just be funny all the time and all they did was be funny and laugh and all Phineas did. I mean Phineas Phineas is like truly a comedic.

genius. Yeah, he has really good jokes. Like really funny. Like and has been forever. I mean when we were I was thinking about this today randomly, the way w when we were doing meetings with like labels and stuff when I was fourteen and he was eighteen. He was just like cracking jokes for the the whole thing and making everybody you know, die laughing. So I don't know what it came from. I love to laugh so much and I that's where it came from, just as you said. Like you s you you start to like

know what you see. Yeah. And like the love language at your family was like laughter jokes, laughter and a little bit of slight teasing, which to me is a sign of love. So that's literally my I live I I live for that. I I like there's nothing that's funnier to me than being made fun of and making fun of someone else's the greatest. To me it's like how I show someone that I loved and and that that's how love is shown to me. Yes, a hundred percent.

And it is just like some families it's wild. Some families don't do that. Uh I can't even believe that. Some people don't do that. Some people don't do that. Sometimes like I feel like people enter my life and I start to like absolutely just go in on them for whatever thing I'm making fun and they and and it's like I realize like, Oh, are you

You don't do this, so it feels like I'm bullying you. Yes. But really I'm just trying to be I'm loving you. I'm loving you. I'm loving you so much. Oh my god. Also like laughing at yourself is like the greatest one of the greatest joys and like it is and it's a sign of intelligence, but having a sense of humor about yourself, especially when your all eyes are on you or when you're young person is super hard. Taking yourself too seriously is risky.

just the worst quality in the world. It is, but it it it is the worst quality, but it is, but I understand I have empathy for it because usually it comes from like, you know what I saw a lot at SNL? Yeah. Because you've got people at their most nervous. And when people are nervous, like whatever is your shadow side comes out. Like either you get quiet or you get kind of mean to people or you get hectic or and when you're nervous, like sometimes

people just they they they really tense up. They wanna take things seriously because they wanna do a good job. And you're like, I hate to break it to you. The secret is to be a big dummy and pretend that life is a dream. I know. It's hard it's a hard lesson. Well, it's like the whole thing that people talk about these days, which is so real, which is like embracing

cr being cringe is is literally allowing yourself to be happy and free. Like a letting like letting yourself be cringy or you know, you know when like you know, a kid hits a certain age, like depending on the kid. Like for me it was like probably ten or eleven where they start going like that's weird. Yeah. Oh, that's weird. Why are you saying that?

and you realize that they're they're in they're suddenly very a aware, you know, self conscious and aware. Yeah. And then thinking everything is weird and wanting to be cool and wanting to fit in in whatever way. I feel like letting that go. is very hard and challenging and trying not to be cool, yes, is like So much cooler. I know. But it's like you have to go through it to get there and

We've all been on both sides. We've been the ten year old that's like, Dad, don't pick me up at the mall. Like don't come inside the mall. But it's like sometimes a thing that might be embarrassing is like what brings us the most joy of anything in the world. Like I was I spent so many years

when I started, you know, having this career that I wanted to like prove the kind of artist that I was and, you know, I wanted people to think of me in a certain way. And I feel like at a certain point I was just like, this is bringing me no joy at all. Like I I this is not um, fulfilling to me yes in the slightest at all. I mean, I wonder for you like at S N L because when I hosted a few years ago I was

It it is so good. Thank you for saying that. You actually did that. Do you actually think so? Dude, yes. We okay well there are people that we host and w and that and we're like Oh, like they did a really nice job. Like that looks like that looks like they had a lot of fun. But you're genuinely funny. Thank you, God. I mean it was so scary. But I my question to you though, I mean and like

I love SNL, but but the vibe was very intense. Yes. And the whole week leading up I was like, why is nobody laughing at all? Because I was like, isn't this show about Laughing, but it's so serious and I think everyone is like

wants to keep their job at the same time. Yeah. That show is like it's some serious a lot of people auditioning to keep their job. Oh yeah. And it's like an emergency room. Like sometimes the emergency room days are like fun and you're like goofing around and other days you're just like Oh, everybody's scrambling around and I'm like, I mean it's as fun as an emergency.

They have fun. Wait, but you you are a huge fan of comedy and you've talked about this a million times, but you have watched The office. Girl. How many times for real? Because is it it says thirty times. It's over that now. So What? Well, because I don't ever stop and I never w We just have it on a loop. Well, when you asked earlier, I meant to say to your question about like

Humor and grow. How did you, you know, a big part of that was The Office. I mean, I started watching The Office when I was like, eleven or twelve. And that's what it's interesting about cringe, because you're right, I mean The like Gen Z their relationship to cringe has been really interesting to watch. They were really afraid of it. Then shows embraced it, like their favorite comedies embraced it, and they almost got to like experience it.

Vicariously through someone else. Like I mean, Michael Scott is the ultimate cringe journey. Yes, a hundred percent. He's like, Oh my god, you're dying for him. And then by then you're like, Or he's like Buddha? Literally. Or he's the most tender I mean that's what I think is so genius about the whole show and Michael Scott as a whole. Yeah. Is that he is so awful, but you you he's so undeniably

You can't help but love him and feel for him and see yourself in him weirdly. And and like kind of aspire to be Aspire to be as open book as him at the end of the day. I think that the amount of times at this point I mean, I said thirty probably like four years ago. So I probably rewatch the whole series like three or four times a year.

Sorry. It's up it's uh if not more. Sorry. So Jenna Jana took a little adderall the other day and added up the added up the hours of what that is. Oh god. Oh Do you know that? It's like 92 days straight. I guess my question to you is like, have you tried Parks and Rec? And do you I love Parks and Rec! I love Farchin Reg. If you want to check it out, I'd love for you to check it out. Get the hell out of here. I love Farction Reg. That's that's I would love for you to check it out.

You in Parkinson Rec is one of the greatest performances in history and everybody knows it. And that is one of my top five shows. So moving on. But I but but but I feel you well getting back to the office and just that I Okay. Also I would say that the idea that TV shows are like a comfort and a way to self soothe.

Is really, really I really relate. I think a lot of people relate, especially comedy,'cause there's something about the way in which there's a tiny bit of conflict. Mm-hmm. People aren't supposed to get along. Yeah. They figure it out. Mm-hmm. They go on with their day, everybody's okay. And then if you rewatch it and rewatch it and rewatch it, you know how it's gonna dude.

Yes. A hundred percent. This is this is my exp exact experience. Exactly what you're saying. A hundred per it's a self-soothing like knowing the end, no anxiety thing. Yes. It's like Yeah,'cause I have trouble watching movies that are n I have trouble watching doing anything that's new. Wa watching entertainment that is new. Yes. Because

I feel like it's like an ADHD. I I just all I do is rewatch the same movie, the same show, eat the same meal, listen to the same song over and over. Yeah. In a way that's like it's like a little bit over the top. It depends on how you frame it, right? If someone else was there, they're like,

You know, but I when I'm alone, obviously it's the most amazing thing in the world. What TV show do you watch The Office Over and Over? What movie do you watch over and over? What meal do you eat over and over? Amazing questions. Um The Office Over and Over. Yeah. New Girl over and Over. Oh my god. a movie like Ferris Bueller's Day Off I've seen an unbelievable amount of times. Over the hedge. I have seen so many times. Wait, over the hedge. Over the hedge. Steve Corell plays a squirrel.

Oh, it's an animated movie. Yeah, it's an animated movie. Okay, okay, okay. It's unbelievably amazing. I've forced so many people to watch it. Spirit. Unbelievable film. I've seen it so many times. Animated. It's a horse. Oh sorry. Speared the horse movie. Yes. You're a horse girl. I am a horse girl. And you prove my theory. Jennifer Lawrence was in here. She's a horse girl. Yes, I know. Horse girls have beautiful hair. I did see you say that!

And you've got great hair. You always have. And horses, you're part horse. Also, it was the year of the horse. Born the year of the horse. You were. And this is the year of the horse. The fire gala fire horse? Fire horse. The fire horse. You have beautiful hair too. Uh thank you. Do you like horses? I don't have beautiful hair. Thank you though. I don't like horses. I they scare the shit out of me. I love them at all. Have you ridden them?

I I reluctantly have ridden them. I ri I rode one recently with my son in Iceland a couple of years ago. I was like, you know what? I'm gonna ride. Yeah, I'm gonna like and I the whole time I was like I cannot wait to get off. It hurts so bad. It hurts Physically? Yeah. It hurt my Yeah, the who's the who's and the Ha's. It does it hurt my my inner leg upper butt. Front butt region. Front butt. Dude. It hurt. Well, like anything, you get used to that.

That's that's true. And then you're a champion. Um okay. You have had the phrase youngest used on you constantly. The youngest to reach a hundred million Spotify streams. youngest winner album of the year, record of the year, youngest person ever to win two Academy Awards in any category. Oh my God. Um do you is it kind of nice to reach your twenties? And be a little bit away from that kind of young Wonder Kindy like vibe. Dude. Do you know any media?

I mean you're still very young. Yes. I never like thought that I would ever not be a teenager. Like it's not like I like I I don't know. I just was like, I'm this will be me forever. There's no other you know, I remember when I was like seventeen, I was like, okay, and I am the person I will be forever.

Right now. And I and it's just not how it works, obviously. And I am so excited to age and I'm so excited for my face to age and my body to age and not change it, you know, and I want my kids to look at me and d have my face look like their face and not be some botched version of whatever the fuck is going on out there right now. You know what I'm saying? So anyways. Yes. And

What's really wild about you being like I'm when I was seventeen, I thought I was a person I was. Yeah. We knew you at seventeen. We like saw you get a cake when you were seventeen. Right. In the in the dock, you know? Like happy seventeenth birthday. Oh my god. Yeah, you're right. And so you not only are you figuring yourself out, but everybody's watching you figure it out. Mm-hmm.

And there's, you know, I I I'm saying the obvious, but we all go through versions of ourselves privately. You had to go through versions of yourself publicly. And you also had to whatever change you decided to make that day affected a bunch of people. It's not like you were like, I'm gonna cut my hair now and everyone's like we gotta change the uh the posters or whatever. Like like it's it becomes a thing where you you you like trying new versions of yourself.

Everybody else weighs in on that or has something. How from minute one, Billy, from when I saw you to now, there was some kind of inner governor, a voice that you would it felt like check in with to make decisions. Who is that? Where is that? Where does that come from? Is that true? Is that how you make decisions? Do you go to your gut first? How do you make decisions?

Wow, these are amazing questions. Oh my god, thank you. You are absolutely eating it up right now. Wow. I feel like it is a gut thing. Like I think that. Weirdly, as much as it was a strain on my youth becoming famous at 14, 13, 14, 15, uh I weirdly do think that I had that element of teenage carelessness. Yeah. Right. Even though I was self-conscious and very, you know, trying to be cool, I I I also was myself in a way that I look back on and I'm like,

so grateful that I was that way. And and I think that weirdly I'm glad that it happened when I was so young because And I I think that it is attributed also, I have to say, to just the person that I've always been since I was a little kid. Just very strong-willed and very very bossy, extremely bossy, and very needing things to go my way and also being very honest and blunt, I guess. Yes. And so I think when I started Doing interviews or, you know, being asked any kind of a question.

I was just very, very honest. And I also I did PR training when I was fourteen and I sobbed through it. I hated it so Much. It was literally like the scariest. shit of all time. What made it so scary? I was just like what made you sob? I first of all, the woman who did it to me was like I would s she know she would ask me a question,'cause this is how PR training works.

Okay, I shouldn't I should know this. Did you do PR training? No, obviously. Well, I only did one session and it was like under an hour and I sobbed and I left and I did not follow any of the rules after that. Yeah. But Uh basically, like she'll, you know, they'll tell you what you're you should say or the kind of direction you should go. And

And then they'll ask you the question, like pretending you're in an interview. And so I would start answering the way I would want to answer, and she would like kind of cut me off and be like, No, no, you need to start saying this, or no, you should be saying this. Don't say that. Don't give them that. And it was important for me to learn and I'm glad I learned it. But similar to

learning to drive safely. It's good to know how to drive safely so that you can use your the so that then you can this is really a bad analogy. But so then you can bend the rules according to safety, but like you know you know what is safe and good and right, but then I'm gonna

Go be, you know, precise about you know what I'm saying? I don't know. Do you know what I mean? Uh absolutely it's like you're figuring out your own boundaries. Like figuring out within those boundaries how to play. Yes. Authenticity is like major for you. It's like it's like what you're looking for. It's what you want to put out into the world. And like you feel it and you just kinda can't fake it. I know. And it's probably a little painful.

when you're not being authentic. I hate it. Yeah. I hate it. And I think when things get more mainstream and then more people who aren't your fans are looking at you and hearing it. It becomes like scary. I mean, I feel I feel like sad thinking back, not even thinking back, just thinking about how I've definitely like. like eighty seventy five percent come down on my my Uh

not honesty, but my sharing of myself. Uh-huh. I used to be literally like 99% complete sh like oversharing with the entire world. Yeah. Which I loved because I s also I am a fan and I've always been a fan. Like my my I'm a horse girl and I am a fan girl and I always have been. Oh, and these are like And you were in believer when you let everyone into that like tender place like But I did it specifically because I knew that as a fan

I wanted my favorite artists to do that. I wanted realness and honesty. You make people feel that way. I mean your lyrics make people feel So seen, Billy. Like so like there's a reason why okay, I'm gonna praise and praise you again. Like there like when when we're when I go to your show, I went to your show and like and like everyone's singing, you know, um

Uh, you know, um you make me hate this city. Like, you know, and everybody's like those like those, let's take that song. Let's take a song. Okay, okay. Hold on, I'm gonna sing the entire song to you. Let's go. Okay, but that moment oh my good this is not my okay, I have to break some news. This is not my laptop. I forgot my laptop today. This is Sam's laptop and I'm completely stressed out. Okay.

And for those people watching, this laptop is bigger than my usual laptop. And they probably already noticed that. And don't write in, no comments about laptop. Okay, I'm so old, I gotta read this. Okay. Okay, but when you said Okay, but when you were like When you say cause I never treat me this shitty. You make me hate this shitty. I don't talk shit about you on the internet. When you're singing it, when you're singing it and I'm singing it, you're

Making you're you're being s like you're speaking plainly, I guess is the way to say it. You're not hiding behind some like objects or metaphors. Uh-huh. And that authenticity, it's like it's like a direct hit between the audience and you. Like your lyrics are so Fucking great. I guess my question is, I guess I have to give you a question. How do you write lyrics? Oh gosh. Terrible question. Forget it. Let's sing more. That shit's embarrassing. I mean that shit's embarrassing. It is, bitch.

It is though. It really is. That shit's embarrassing. You were my everything. Like It's so real. Everybody felt that, feels that. Thank you. With the with your lyrics. But I'm genuinely curious. Like do you write a lyric and then you go, That's too

I I I feel the way about dialogue sometimes. I'll write something, I'll be like, nobody talks like that. Right, right. Like nobody's gonna say that. I mean dialogue to me is really impressive to write. Like I don't understand how you do that. That that to me I can't like fathom writing a script at all. Like I don't yeah, I I don't know why. I think I just I have a similar feeling to like how people ac talk to me who

you know, have never made music or are musical at all, where they're like, How do you possibly do that? Like I can't begin to fathom how to write. Dialogue. Right. So but I've watched you write lyrics. and you've let us watch you write it. And it feels like you're doing a similar thing, which is like it's like you try on a lyric and you're like, is that real? Mm-hmm. Like you're s you're you're asking yourself, is that a real thing? Even though

It's not always about a real thing. It's just like, does that lyric feel right in my head? Like singing it out loud? Well, so my answer to this is Interesting because I don't like writing music. I n I've heard you say many times. And I have li I have I have um grown to like it so much more over the years. And honestly, like growing up and becoming an adult. And not w worrying about being cool really has helped me write music because a big part of making anything and especially music is

Allowing it to be bad before it's good. It's like so many things. It's like any literally anything. And I think like it's so hard when you want to be good at something and especially when you have the pressure of people seeing it and you're like, Well, I it has to be good, so I can't even I can't let this be bad for even one second. It'll stop you from doing it at all. And so

I like my love is singing. Singing is like my true, true soulmate. Like singing is the thing that I love more than anything in the world. And Um, having songs that I have written to sing is the goal. Like that's what I love about writing music. Yeah. And also when I am'cause I write everything with my brother and I write alone every now and then, but it doesn't bring me joy when I write it alone. And also I'm too critical and I'm like

It it's just frustrating for me. And when I work with my brother, like I was saying to somebody, you know, because somebody said like Are you making an album right now because you want to make a new album or because you're required in your contract to? And I was like, I've never thought about that once. Yeah. And I feel that I'm lucky to feel that way because I don't care if it's because I have to. It's actually like

Any excuse to hang out with my brother, I'll take. Come on. And we get to make music that we both love. And I think that what's interesting about not loving the process of writing music is I love the outcome. so much. Yeah. I love my music more than any other music. And I I think that that I think that people th hear that and think like, what the hell like, oh, you're listening to your own music and it's like, well yeah, that's why I make it. I it's like

It's like similar to like I make my own perfume because I really like the smell of it and I want to wear it. Yes. You know, so I make music. To listen to it, to enjoy it, and to sing it. It's my favorite thing in the world. You're so good at singing. It's so good that you like the thing that you're so good at. Thank God. No kidding. Hej, det är jag från riksbyggen här. Har det svårt att fokusera på den här podden för att det är så. Du vet, budgetar som ska hållas.

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I like to ask singers this. We had Hailey. Mm. Um, whatever we're friends, we text. Whatever we're friends, we text. Um not a big deal. Very cool. Um and totally not don't make a big deal out of it. Um But I asked her this and I like to ask what like your first relationship to your voice, like when you were like, I like my voice.

Mm. Do you remember? You must have been the tiny one because you were singing at a very young age and you were encouraged to sing a lot. But that thing when you sing and you think like Whatever's coming out is is is kind of good. Yeah, is good. Whoa. Do you remember a a a feeling of that? Um

Well, it's so interesting'cause I have been singing for my entire life. Like I don't there was never a beginning. It was just I was singing and singing and singing and I grew up in a very musical household. Mm mm piano always being played, guitar being played.

You know, my mom was a songwriter, and you know, Phineas started writing songs before I did. He was older than me. And so there was always music around, and so I was very encouraged to sing. I think You know, I was homeschooled, but in the homeschool community. Uh there's like, you know, DIY talent shows type stuff. There's like homeschool talent shows. And it was the only thing I looked for. I I literally all I wanted to do was be on a stage.

singing or dancing. It was like a little baby coachella that you were getting ready for. Yeah. And the first song I sang was Tomorrow from Annie, of course. And I think I was like Er wait no, six. I think I was six. And that right? I don't know. I have a hard time with numbers. ages. But um that I remember I don't even think I did, but I loved it so much. And the feeling of the crowd cheering was just the greatest thing. But I think my relationship to my voice

I this is gonna sound weird and I hope it doesn't sound like pick me, because I really mean it. No more cringe, it's over, no more pick me. No more cringe, no more, yeah, you're right. But I never like I didn't think of myself as a singer. I just loved to sing. Mm. And then I remember, like, when I was about eleven

Like Phineas would, you know, be with his friends and sometimes be like, well, my sist my little sister has a really good voice. And I'd be like, what? And then he'd be like, Billy, sing the beginning of Baby by Justin Bieber. And I would like be like, I would be like And his friends. You know, well she's pretty good. Yeah. And I remember like doing it once and like messing it up and I was like

And I was so upset. Because really I wanted to be a dancer. That was like my thing. I know. And that and that And they would like make me sing at like the dance sleepover. Like they'd be like, Billy, go up and sing. And I was too embarrassed. But then I would that I mean that's like the you're like the athlete that like played basketball and then like was like, I think I also like baseball and you're like win the World Series. Like you are such a good dancer.

I was barely a good dancer. I was like loved dancing so much. What was your thing? Bat were you ballet? I started dancing because I loved dancing. tap dancing. Oh come on. Billy. So I was a tapper. What? Yeah, I was a tapper. And then once I started getting into tap, I was like, oh I like this.

Cute. And then I started doing hip hop. And I loved hip hop. And then I would do contemporary. So those are my top three. And then because I fell in love with dance, I was like, well now I have to do ballet to be part of the other stuff. 'Cause it was required and then jazz and then lyrical and have you ever had of like a thing of like maybe I'll dance when I sing? Right when I started getting good, I got a horrible injury and then I was not

allowed to dance and I never danced ever again. Except I started dancing recently again. I'm in like a You did? I'm in like a class every now and then. That's cool. Which is really cute. That's very cool. What did you injure if you had my injured my hip, but basically

That took me out. Whoa, that's so intense and so interesting, like how life like so that opens the door to the thing that you love doing anyway. Right. Well, dude, what's crazy about the timing of it is that I started getting really serious with dance when I was Twelve? No, thirteen.

And I like I dyed my hair platinum white that year and then Phineas was like, dude, should we make a SoundCloud page for fun and like maybe make some songs and put them out for fun, like for our friends to play or whatever? And so at the same time as I was getting really serious about dance, we had this idea. We recorded like some little stupid songs and then

My one of my dance teachers, Fred Diaz, said and I've told this story before, but literally like the older I get, the more insane it is. He he was like, Billy, stay behind after class one day. And he was like Can you and Phineas make a song so that I can choreograph a dance to it and we can do it for the recital next year? And I was so excited and I thought, you know what? Phineas just wrote a song that I think is called Oceanize.

Maybe it could be that one. I go home. I'm like, Phineas, Fred wants us to make a song. Let's make it as like danceable as possible. We went home. We recorded Oceanize, which he had written for his band. And he said it didn't feel right and he wanted me to sing it anyway. So we were already kind of gonna do that. Anyway, we went to put it on SoundCloud. It had a free download link up.

Anyone could download it for free. And um we only put it on SoundCloud to send an easier link to the dance teacher. And so we did. And then like that week I was getting ready for competition. And then a week later Phineas called me and he was like,

Billy Ocean Ice has a thousand streams. A thousand. And we were cheering and we were screaming. And I was like, this is the most amazing thing that's ever happened to me. This is all I could ever dream of. Couple weeks go by, it starts getting bigger and bigger. like Fred starts choreographing a dance to it, competition is the next week, things are getting bigger. It's like Hilly Dilly is posting it and like, you know, mu new music Friday or whatever and like all these new

these new outlets and we were getting reached out to by these labels and stuff. And then it's the last rehearsal before my first dance competition of the season. I have a solo in each combo. I was so excited. We were done with rehearsal. We were about to leave. And our teacher was like, wait, let's do one more. No. Just to film it. And so we did one more.

And we filmed it and in the middle of my little twerk, literally twelve years old, I'm like my hip is like and I got injured and then I was poof. La laying on the floor, couldn't walk, couldn't dance, definitely, couldn't do anything, and was basically like bedridden for

At least a week and then I was on crutches and I literally never danced again. You missed the whole competition? Every single competition I didn't get to do one. Billy, I have chills right now. But then that week I went to all these meetings in my crutches. I met with Interscope, I met with all these different booking agents. I had my crutches. I was like and I was so sad.

Oh my god. I mean there's people listening to this right now who are gonna be like having just missed something that they think is the biggest thing in their life. It's pretty wild. They're gonna be like I have chills too. I I So that is why my own story. The universe decided at that m like sliding doors moment of like we're gonna we're gonna stop, we're gonna interrupt this program.

And there's no deeper right like sadness uh than thinking I I'm not gonna get to do the thing that's right in front of me that I'm supposed to do. And then like this little hey over here kind of thing happening. Whoa. When you think something is ruining your life and it's really actually saving your life. Yes.

And I like that you're dancing again'cause there must be a little bit of trauma, honestly, around all of it. So like you're just you're coming back as an adult, going back and being like, Okay, maybe I can do this again as like a a version that feels good to me, like where I can revisit it. Yeah. It's been really nice. Yeah. And it's so non

pressure, you know, it's just it's well we do need you to compete. Because we need you to do that. We need you to finish that routine. Okay, yeah, you're right. I mean that would be the movie is like you go back out there and do the competition. To Encore in Las Vegas with all the other teenagers. And I mean I know we all like all of our stuff comes from our family, but it is all of our stuff comes from our family. And I imagine in that moment

I'm like really feeling for your mom in that moment, right? Like she's got the saddest kid. Mm-hmm. And both your parents. Like the saddest Billy who's missed this brokenhearted little And s and in pain. And then Also your brother being like, Hey, let's do this, sister. And then it catching on and watching your family dynamic, and again, I don't know, but having the pli the privilege of getting to see you interact with each other.

I feel like the the way in which you all kind of support those moments, like the big moments and the low moments. Yes. Like that's very special. I know. Very special. It's really special and I feel So in hindsight and present day. Yeah. So so grateful for that. Cause I think I didn't I didn't even realize what I had because

I already had it and so I didn't know there w could be another option. Yeah. And I think that seeing, you know, some like some other people who maybe didn't have that support, yeah. Having to go through all of this stuff alone is really it re I just really feel for them and I feel like thank God I had my mom, thank God I had my brother especially, thank God I had my dad and the home that we that I grew up in.

you know, and like my dog, you know, like these are all things that really I like that you bring up your dog a lot. I love dog Do you still have your dog? Like is she She passed away a couple of years ago, but she was old as all fucking hell. She was So old, goddamn it. Her her legs were it was like this kind of situation. What's what was her name? And tell us about your name. Her name was Pepper.

And she lived to like sixteen. She was old as shit, I'm telling you. Yeah. Um, she was a mutt. She looked just like Petey from The Little Rascals, which I loved. I loved The Little Rascals as a kid. She had like a she was a pit bull mix and she had like a circle around her eye. Mm-hmm. If I didn't have

you know, a dog with reactive issues, I would literally have seventeen dogs. Like I have a dog. He's the sweetest boy in the whole wide world. His name is Shark. He's the sweetest boy. He loves people. He loves his dog friends. He just has He has a lot of reactive issues. Yeah. And he has since I mean, I had him since he was five weeks old. So

It's interesting, like I always thought, you know, a dog is the way they are because of how they were raised. And to an extent that is true. Yeah. But they're like people also. And we are the way we are, no matter what anybody does. And he just has like He's just really anxious. He's very, very anxious and when he sees a dog that he doesn't know he he sees it as a threat or something. But

You know, if I introduce him in the right way to other dogs, then it's all perfect. But of course, like of course you would be a person that would be able to handle something like this and understand. Oh my god, yeah. But I think the difference is like he He's a big gray pit bull mix. Yeah. And so the difference in having a reactive, bigger, stronger, more marginalized breed when they have anxiety and reactive behavioral issues is there's so much more of a

uh stigma against them and people already like the the the stigma against the bully breed and everything within there is is so messed up. It's like, you know, someone can have like a little tiny Chihuahua. I love Chihuahuas. I love all dogs, but like someone might have like a little dog who's like literally biting everyone and like and it's like and it just kills me. Like my re my reactive dog owner is Out there. Yeah. You are seen. You are loved. It's a lot of work, but

I have like also also you know I think it's like I I have such a love for animals. It makes sense to me that you're an empathetic, creative, open hearted person living in a family that tries to be that way too, that you're trying to pay attention to that too. Also If I may, and I'm sure you get this projected on you a lot, but the specialness of your relationship with you and Phineas, like it

It's really delicious. Because it's kind of like every it's like watching a healthy it's like watching healthy siblings and watching uh a uh like a just a man. support a woman. Like that just even that. Like I know. Forget them being related. Just like a very, very talented, self-possessed, I know, um, uh self-actualized man being very happy for

a woman's success yeah is already just like we're all like really hungry for it. I know. Like and just like speaking nicely about women we're all just like looking for. And then the way that you guys speak about each other. Yeah. It's truly a magical gift that I've been given by w who knows what, you know, my parents. Some guys work a little differently. Mm-hmm. Is that hard when you're working differently? Do you argue? We argue, but we but it's very um

It's not like real argue. It's not I like don't know how to put it. I think we go through periods of you know, being not on the same wavelength. Like we're in different periods of our lives and that's when we can kind of butt heads a little bit. But even then I mean like we got into like a nothing like something that was so didn't need to be an argument.

And like literally we sat there and I said, Can we go make music now? And he's like, Yeah. And we went downstairs and we made a song and it was we were laughing and giggling and talking. And I was just thinking that day, I was like, it is truly amazing that we can do that. And it's amazing that

You know, and I know all siblings have different relationships and that's a rare thing to have with a person, especially like a sibling, and you work with them, but it is kind of the blessing of working with your sibling because you can't you can't break up with your sibling. It's not like Yes, this is true. But I guess I mean like the arguing, it's like you can say something so hurtful.

Especially like a little sister. I can say something insane to Phineas. You you have. And I ha I sure have. And and also it's like sometimes I bet the challenge is to make sure you're not you're like not too rough on each other. Yep. For sure. Because the more familiar you are, the more easier check. Thinking of that amazing scene in your dock where in the kitchen where Phineas is like, I think we should just finish the record, and you're like, The record is bad?

This sucks. And your mom is like, Or, right. I think you can learn from each other. You know, like perfect mom like I think Phineas has something that you need building. Yeah, and your dad is like, I'm gonna go outside and fix the car. And you're all representing the voices in like a creative process, basically. You're all representing that. You're and you're all those things at once.

And n you would probably not say to someone you were working with like, that was bad, that sucks. Yeah. It's not good. It's lame. Yeah. Or like anything that I say to him. It's like we can we can literally jump all of the like Yes. Um uh politeness. You know, we don't have to be like saving feelings and you know, I can literally just be like, God, that's stupid. You know, that's such a stupid idea. And he's like, Well, fuck you. You know, it's like it's it's

It it just works like that. And uh I feel like I'm also just You know, in another life. the life that we didn't have this happen to us, I would have maybe gone to college and moved away or moved away in general and what would you know, I I I talk to friends or see online, like people talking about how like they don't live with their sibling anymore and they don't get to see their sibling and it's like you live completely different lives. And I just feel like

so grateful that I get to live a life where my brother is a constant part of my life. Yeah. And that I don't have to live in a different state than my brother and that I don't have to like never see him and not have you know, and I think that's usually how it goes. And I just I feel really lucky in that way. And like you said His He is like just aside from how talented and incredible he is and how he is like my best friend.

loves me so much. I know and Billy. Just the greatest brother in the world and the way that he has looked out for me. He's a big time protector. So he wanted me to ask you a question. He did? Yeah. And I feel like it's a it's a f it's a fake. Yeah, I feel like it's a funny story. It's a fake question. Okay. Um, what is tomato bisque soup? And how did you lose it? Wow. Okay. Wow. Let's hear it. Well, you know, all right, I'll tell you. I'll tell you exactly the answer. I Okay, how far do I go?

I actually haven't talked about this. I was thinking literally last night how I haven't nobody knows this is happening. It's cute. It's very very sweet. It's a it's an innocent sweet thing. For my birthday, I was given A little hamster. Oh And she was a rescue from a house a hoarder house that had sixty loose Free roaming hamsters everywhere being just in shit and like in stuff. And she was Won the lottery. And she is so cute. Her name is Tomato Bisque Soup. And Story's taking a turn!

So tomato, as we call her. She's a little dwarf hamster. She's literally this fucking big. So goddamn cute, you wouldn't even believe it. But she's used to being on the street. She's used to running. She's used to being on the street. Free roaming bitch. She's free. She's wild. Yeah. Not wild, but like living her life in her condition of Tough. Yeah.

Sorry. I got her on my birthday, which was December 18th. And I got her like I must have spent, you know, lots of money on like random shit. Like little like Like I got her like little cause they have to have enrichment. So they have a wheel and they have to have different levels. Yeah, and I do it all myself. I'll show you. I will literally show you. Her house is insane. She lives in a fucking mansion, bitch. Her house is so big. It's like literally like

Her house is like this big and this tall. Nice. And it's wooden. But so there's these little vents. And the top corners of the house that are like this big. They're holes so they can breathe. It was a hamster house. Yeah, it was for a hamster house. Right. You'd think that they would know that. Well, and also it's up high, right? So they can't even they can't climb up the wall.

But we haven't met tomato miss. So a tomato's wild little freaky self. So it's like a month since I've had her. I get home from a trip. I went on a little trip. And I had I had put her seeds out and they're also nocturnal, so you usually don't see them in the day. Um and also they like to burrow, so like sometimes I wouldn't see her. She's like barely you can't really you're not always seeing her when she is there. But she loves pumpkin seeds.

So much, like little papitas. She loves them so much. And so I know that she's very happy if I put her pumpkin seeds and she immediately comes out. So before I had left, I put out some pumpkin seeds. And then I came home many days later and the pumpkin seeds were still there. God damn it. Damn it. And I thought, you know what? And you pulled back a little cover and she had made a little dummy like

Like welcome to Alcatraz. She had she had escaped. It was like an Sha'll fake poster and she pulled it into the side and she had made a little tunnel. I am I pictured I just thought like, oh she's She's dug herself into a cute little tunnel. She's sleeping. Four days have gone by since the last sight of her. So anyway, one day Oh no. Um

I'm like, you know what? I'm gonna look for her because I wanna make sure she's there. Of course. Obviously she's there, but I'm just gonna make sure. So I fucking go. Where I keep her house is in my closet on this like shelf that's like five feet up. And I I I take all of her houses out of her house. I take all of there's these things called sprays, which are these like long plants that for enrichment. And I take them all out and um I have a sign of her.

There's no sign of her and I'm like, uh oh, what's going on? But I'm like, okay, but I still have to like dig through the bedding because she likes to crawl into the paper bedding. Um and I'm like starting to like worry a little. But then I'm like, am I gonna find a little

Yeah. A little body. And that was really freaking me out. Yeah. But I'm like, I'm not. It's fine. She's gonna be in here. She's sleeping. Whatever. And so I take everything out. It's only her bedding left over. And I'm literally like it's like looking through a lake for a dead body. I was like literally like Doing like one of these, like fingers through everything. I take everything out, and she's nowhere to be seen. No gone. The bitch has literally very. into the net.

And your VCR was missing. Right. No, I'm just kidding. Right. The night sh that she was gone. I'm like texting all my friends like she's gone. R.I.P. Love her so much. What the hell? One month of having a hamster and I already lost her into the walls. Like what the hell? Yeah. And uh She could have gone anywhere, like truly anywhere. I'm like, just as a Hail Mary, there's no way this is gonna work.

But I'm gonna put her wheel on the ground and I'm gonna put her favorite seeds on the wheel and I'm gonna put her little mushroom house. On the ground. And I'm gonna put her bedding in it. And I'm gonna put her seeds in it. And like maybe a miracle will happen and she'll appear. She'll reappear. Of course, I don't think this is actually gonna happen. I go to sleep. Oh my god. I'm like looking at videos of her and we wake up, we're talking about like

This is so sad. How did we do this? How could we do this to her? We failed her. We are horrible people. We lay in bed for an hour talking about, I can't believe we've done this. And I'm like, I'm gonna go get dressed. Also, like, let's go check on the sad little seeds we left out. Right. I go into my closet, the fucking seeds are gone.

Gone. Dang. And her bedding has been pulled out of her house that she and that's why I know that that's like a thing she does. She pulls out her bedding. Her seeds are gone. And I'm like, dude, her seeds are fucking gone. Is she here? And I take some more seeds and I go, tomato. And I have a voice that she always comes out to. I go, tomato, excuse me. Excuse me, tomato. And I hear no in the fucking wall. It has been four days that she has been missing. I hear this.

And I take the seeds and I like lay And I literally keep hearing like She fucking crawls out of the wall. I have literally chills. She crawls out of the wall and crawls right into my hand. And she's eating this season. She's like, what up? Like she's like, what up, bitch? She's wearing a little cymbale. She had been living in the walls of the closet for four days with no food and no water, waiting for me to fucking f look for her and find her.

Can you believe the story? She's incredible. She's amazing. So since then I have gotten her a much bigger house with very thin. Well, I don't think she has been I don't think she needs to be um Congratulated for escape, right? Like this is this is like supporting bad behavior. Yeah, I know. You're right. She gets a bigger house. She got a bigger house. I felt bad. I felt like, oh no, did you not like living in this small house? Now she's

So happy. She literally liked her life is amazing. Really quick, and then I'll shut up because I'll see a picture of this forever. Look at her house. Her house is insane. I just cleaned it up, yes. Um that's my worst nightmare is that a ro uh I get a rodent and it goes into the walls. So Okay, here is Tomatoes. giant mansion house. So like if you look

Here's so she has different levels. She has her little tunnel where she's like, she has a lot going on. Listeners, it's like there's a there's like it looks like a aquarium but with like outdoor seating. Oh, there's almost like a fire pit, like if she had guests over. Yeah. Cause I give her different bedding so that she has different textures it's really nice. Really nice textures. Right? Yeah. And then it looks like a beautiful LA spa. I mean it is. Here's her on her wheel.

Wait. Oh she's really She's so freaking cute. And then here's me show uh I bonked my knee. You can actually hear it happening. She's running really fast. And then here's the new this is what happened to my knee. So there's Phineas' answer. That's Phineas' question. I'm glad he asked. There we go. Incredible story. And scene. And scene. Okay, we're gonna finish with a lightning round. Finish!

Wait, but by there's so much to talk about. Okay, go. Here we go. Just quick thoughts on these things. Tarantulus. Yes. Yes. Are you are you afraid of spiders? I mean I'm not afraid, but you know But it's a spider. It's okay. You know, I'm I'm down, but I don't wanna touch it or anything. But I'm I'm glad you like it. Uh-huh. Um, horses, we talked about love. Survivor, the show Survivor. Yes, the show Survivor.

Just heard that they named the immunity idol after you? It's a Billy Eilish idol. So basically, like I wrote a letter to the contestants. Being like, here's your secret idol. If you use this idol, you can you know it's like what you know, have you seen Survivor? You know, they have what do you love about Survivor? Um, I love imagining that I could one day do it. Yeah. But I am so bad with like

Like the math part of the problems are the things that I couldn't do. Yeah. Like I could do the f I feel that I could do the physical stuff. I mean, I say that, which sure, who knows?'Cause it's so hard seeming. But like when they have to like solve the, you know, I'm yeah. I wouldn't be good at like Like when people like I have a little bit of like defiance disorder, so if they were like

You have to do two I'd be like, I don't have to do anything. I quit. I quit. Yeah, I have the same thing. I quit. Yeah, I have the same thing. Um, okay, music you're listening to right now. Honestly, I've been listening to Kate Bush this week. It's me. I'm Kathy. Yeah, dude. Well that just it's I just love the spooky whimsical of it all. Isn't she incredible? She's amazing. I like didn't even know she was so amazing. I mean Army Dreamers.

So good. So good. Othering heights. Oh my god. Have you heard the Peter Gabriel um uh the song she sang with Peter Gabriel? Don't give up? No. How how does it go? Hold on. I'm sure you've heard it. Do you think they were fucking? I just feel like this shoes Where they're in a hug the entire song. God, I hope so. That's amazing. It uh isn't it so good? Wow. Yeah, I don't I'm not I don't did not know Kate Bush was like that. Yeah.

Amazing. Um, okay, we're gonna finish with two things. You have a big movie coming out, and it is I forgot that's like it's a it's a movie about your it's a it's a concert movie. Yes, so it's a it's a concert film. mainly there's like some behind the scenes doc type stuff. Cool. But specifically it is very cool. The show, the Hit Me Hard and Soft tour.

filmed in 3D, which is fucking awesome. Awesome. And really cool tour. Really cool. Thank you. It's I agree. I loved it so much. I just I I A I had the best time. And B It's like the best show I've ever made. And I just I felt I I felt proud to call that my show every single night that I did it. Yeah. And I I mourn the end of that tour and I'm excited for the next tour, but I am also like so, so grateful that we have it filmed.

Forever. Like I will be able to watch the it whenever I want. Yeah. Forever. In three D, feel like I'm there. Yeah. And same goes for everyone who watches it, you know? People who didn't get to go to the show and they get to experience it or who did and want to re experience it. Anyway. And what I love about that is I like I like to watch things in my home early in the afternoon or like I don't like to like to I don't like to go out. Oh, I see what you're saying. Shows are late.

Shows are super late. And like they're late. And then you stand for so long. Yeah, and I like I hate standing. I hate to I can't see anything. I hate s I just hate standing. I hate the feeling of it. I love to sit. Would you ever consider doing an afternoon show?

for people who like to go to afternoon shows. It's so funny. I've like never even it's just such a the thing you do. I've never even thought about it. That's what's great about like music festivals, honestly. That's like kind of what I miss about being on the earlier side of the the lineup because you get to get you get to go out there and the sun is out. Yeah. And like

It's beautiful and then you get a night after, it's pretty nice. Yeah. Maybe I'll do that someday. A little matinee. Oh my God, a matinee tour. What's your bedtime? Well last night I had a fantastic sleep. Not to brag. Um what did you get? What do you what's your sleep? I'm very worried about your sleep. Why? You're a young person. That's true. I used to be terrible with sleep. I I never slept.

Um for some reason since last summer when I was in Europe for tour, like I had three different tour legs where I was gone and then home and then gone in Europe each time. Um, but so because of that, I was like really getting h h becoming an early bedtimer. And so since then I've kind of kind of kept that up. Like I try to go to sleep before midnight every night, which used to be Love this for you.

couldn't I used to go to sleep like earliest two AM usually three, maybe four. Yeah. And now I'm like, if I can get in bed at like ten Oh, I mean Can you believe that I get success? It's amazing. And and also sometimes like the like happiness is just one sleep away.

Like it just really is sometimes like the thing the reason why my day is so bad I love I love it is because I haven't slept. A hundred percent. I love it. Honestly, like when I got this aura ring and this is not sponsored, I just I love this aura ring, dude.

And uh since I got it I've been like I I really don't play about my sleep now. I really need my sleep. Let me as we finish up,'cause I know we've kept you, but as well. Girl, I don't have anything else to do. Same. Wait, I was just gonna say Okay, we gotta wrap this up. Oh. I I Oh, I'm I feel like when I'm at a concert and people are talking really loud, I will turn around and say, Please shut up. Yeah. Please shut the fuck up. Or just like

Be quiet. You know, like that that I I will do. Yeah. A hundred percent. Yeah, or a movie. A m mm not so much. I'd be talking through a movie. I'd be talking. I know Billy I have to comment. I just that is your gen. You guys chat through everything. I have dearly home. This has done to me so much. So many times have s has someone who I love dearly gone.

Because I can't shut the fuck up. Um also like I'm a reactor. Like I will re I react audibly. Let me remind people, like I I realize as I'm talking to you about this that like you have trips. Well, I was just gonna say that. I was just gonna say that. I do have Tourette's and you know, I have vocal ticks, but Luckily for me and for everyone else, I um they're mostly just noises and I can keep them pretty quiet. Yeah. Um I I go through phases of words becoming tick.

You know, there's a thing called suppressing, if you ever heard of it. And you know, when I'm in an interview, I I'm doing everything in my power to suppress all of my tickets. constantly. Yeah. And as soon as I leave the room I have to let them all out with whatever, you know. You have helped me a lot, honestly. I'm realizing now as I'm talking to you and getting to know you, meeting you.

You've helped me a lot with my own intrusive thoughts, which I didn't really know. You know, I didn't have that term growing up. I didn't quite know what it was. Right.

And your you having them in real time or talking about them or even just like softly joking about them, like the getting all the way full circle back to the idea of what we talked about at the very beginning, which is like coping mechanism and your self soothing, all that stuff and the way that you like like that you feel like comedy is important for life like we are living to laugh.

It felt that way when I would have a thought that I just thought, like, this is a really bad thought. Yep. This is really bad and this is this one I'm gonna really never, ever, ever share, right? Like, ooh wee, this is and it and it took me so long in my adult life to realize those were intrusive thoughts of what they were. And you really, really helped me with that. Really? Yeah. I w thank you for that. You really did

You were an example. I just I know it so well. God, now imagine those intrusive thoughts, but your mouth has to say them out loud. Right. And that is Tarette syndrome. Right. And I think what's troubling about the way that people do not understand what Tourette's is. Like when people are like, you know, if I like start having like a tick attack or whatever, like a lot of ticks in a row, and people are like, You know, it's like this is very much normal, like, you know. And also like

Well, I didn't notice. It's like if you didn't see me tick today, you're not looking at my knees which are ticking constantly under this table and my you know, elbows that are like I'm clenching my arms the entire time and I'm I'm doing this for the entire and it's because I'm currently because I'm on camera and I'm having a conversation and I'm trying not to be distracting, I am f really doing it this whole time as fun as I'm having much fun as I'm having, I'm

doing everything I can to suppress every single tick that's visible from the top of my head to about right here. You know? And that's like how we as people with Tourette's pretty much spend our days. And some people don't even have the privilege of getting to suppress them right at all in any way. Right. And the the not understanding of that is really frustrating as a person with Tourette's I bet. Thank you for thank you for educating me and us.

For real. Um, because it is it's like just yet another example of what you do so generously. Yeah. You're really j you're a really generous person, Billy. You you really like So are you share, thank you. You share what you know or what you what you're feeling or what you're going through, you you share it with us. Like we're very lucky that we get to hear things from you and hear And I'm really happy you did this. I'm such a fan of yours and I am so

beyond excited to be in this room with you and d do this podcast. I love you so much. Thank you for having me. Um, don't be weird, but I need to get your cell phone number. Let's go.

Thank you, Billy, for coming. Oh my God. Love you. I love you so much. Thank you very much for being here. Thank you, good hey. Thank you. Thank you, Billie Eilish. What an amazing person and what a great conversation. Love talking to you. And for this polar plunge, look, it took everything. I had not to sing. Billy's songs back to her. I know that can make things awkward, but I just want to remind everybody of the perfect lyrics.

that are in Billy's songs, specifically happier than ever. Okay. Because I just wanna remind okay. I don't relate to you. I don't relate to you no. 'Cause I'd never treat me this shitty. You made me hate this city and I don't talk shit about you on the internet. Never told anyone anything bad, cause that shit's embarrassing. You're my everything. And all that you did was make me fucking sad. So don't waste the time I don't have. And don't try to make me feel bad.

Okay. Okay, this is the end of the we gotta go. ¡Genius! Thanks for listening, everybody. Billy, you're a genius. Okay, bye. You've been listening to Good Hang. The executive producers for this show are Bill Simmons, Jenna Weiss Berman, and me, Amy Polar. The show is produced by The Ringer and PaperKite. For The Ringer, production by Jack Wilson, Kat Spillane, Kaya McMullen and Alea Zaniris. For Paperkite, production by Sam Green, Joel Lovell, and Jenna Weiss Berman. Original music by Amy Miles.