Welcome to good Game of Sarah Spain, where I'm walking into my local bookstore pointing to my book and bragging to anyone who walks by. Hey, I wrote that. It's Tuesday, June third, and on today's show, we're doing something a little bit different and I got to address the elephant in the room. And we're not talking about Ellie here. I wrote a book about a man, and for that,
I'm sorry. There are women in the book, though, So if you could stand to listen to a whole episode that isn't about women's sports, I actually think you'll really enjoy it. To celebrate the release of my book Runs in the Family, an incredible true story of football, fatherhood and belonging, I sat down last week with my co author and the subject of the book, Raiders running backs
coach Dylan McCullough. We talk about the sometimes uncomfortable act of excavating year past, the reactions of his friends and family to the book, his emotions as launch day approached, and the serendipitous and almost unbelievable circumstances of his new job with Pete Carroll and the Raiders. Spoiler alert, y'all. We've talked openly about the big reveal in this book ever since our first story and e sixty feature ran
on ESPN a few years ago. But if you haven't already heard it and you want to read the book without knowing the twist, wait to listen to this episode until after you've read or listened.
To the book.
My chat with Dylan, plus a WNBA reset, roster movement galore, and how to switch teams but not owners is all coming up right after this welcome back slices. Here's what you need to know today. Let's start with the WNBA. We're two weeks into the regular season, so let's take a minute to step back and admire the standings and the gap that's already emerging. At the top of the league, you got the New York Liberty and Minnesota Links, both
undefeated through seven games. Then the middle of the PAC teams including the five and two Atlanta Dream and Phoenix Mercury anyone else surprised to see Phoenix all the way up there. Then all the way at the bottom, we got the one in six Dallas Wings and Connecticut Sun. Worth noting that the tough start has inspired a roster change for the Sun Already On Monday morning, the team
announced it had waived Robin Parks and signed Jalen Brown. Brown, a six to one guard forward, played for the Dallas Wings last season before getting traded to the Indiana Fever, who waved her ahead of the regular season. So the Sun already trying to make moves to improve things. Obviously, still a lot of basketball to play this season, but so far, it does look like Minnesota and New York
are gun in for that WNBA Finals rematch. More hoops, The Golden State Valkyries may not be winning games yet, but their fans are enjoying Balhalla. The new expansion team is two and four, but the fans are showing up and showing out. All three of their home games today have been eighteen thousand plus person sellouts, including Sunday's eighty six seventy five loss to the Minnesota Links, where they made a real good run before coming up short down
the stretch. More WNBA. After all those injuries we mentioned yesterday, it's not surprising we've got some hardship contract news to report today down at Phoenix, Wherecalia Copper is still out after arthroscopic knee surgery and alyssa Thomas is sidelined with a calf injury. The Mercury signed Hayley Jones to a hardship contract on Sunday. Drafted sixth overall in the twenty twenty three WNBA draft after four seasons at Stanford, Jones played forty games for the Atlanta Dream last season, but
was waved back in May. Meantime, in Indiana, is Caitlin Clark, Sidney Colson, and Sophie Cunningham are all sidelined. The Fever signed Airy McDonald to a hardship contract after wrapping up her college career at Arizona in twenty twenty one. McDonald played three seasons for the Dream, then spent twenty twenty four with the Los Angeles Sparks before getting waved heading into this season. Despite the circumstances, it's good to see both of those players back in the w Can you
believe it even more? WNBA Los Angeles Sparks tweener Rakia Jackson has missed her squad's past two games for quote unquote personal reasons, and it's got some folks cyebrows. Race Jackson, the number four pick in last year's draft, average over thirteen points per game. In twenty twenty four. She's been coming off the bench for new head coach Lynn Roberts team lately, and her average is down to seven points
per game. On Sunday, an eagle eyed social media user claims Rakia unfollowed the Sparks on Instagram and took mention of the team out of her bio. We haven't confirmed this, but we do know that Roberts was asked about Jackson in a press conference on Sunday and had this to say, per an ex post from John W. Davis of the Long Beach Press Telegram response to Rakia, Rikey's a big part of our organization and our team, and.
She's taking personal time.
And we support her and we're excited to get her back.
When she's ready to be back.
We'll keep you updated on this situation as it unfolds. Meantime, I do want to shout out a bright spot on the Sparks roster, Odyssey Simms. She shined on Sunday, putting up thirty two points in her LA Sparks eighty five eighty loss to the Mercury. It was sim first thirty
plus point game in six seasons. To Soccer Washington's spirit coach Jonathan Heraldez is departing the team to take the recently vacated head coaching position at French club Oel Lyon both teams, the Spirit and oel are owned by Michelle Kang's company Kiniska. Heraldez was hired by the Spirit last January as one of the most sought after managers in women's soccer after leading FC Barcelona Femini to two Women's
UEFA Champions League titles. He joined the Spirit Midsummer, and his short time in Washington was highlighted by a runner up finish in last year's NWSL championship game and a Challenge Cup win to start the twenty twenty five season. Spirit assistant coach Adrian Gonzalez, who served as the team's interim head coach last season before herald has arrived, will take over again as official head coach once Heralda's tenure
officially concludes in July. This is the sixth coaching change since Kang became Washington's majority owner in twenty twenty two. To the PWHL, today's the day that teams have to submit a list of three players that they're protecting for the upcoming Expansion Draft. Starting tomorrow, the five day exclusive signing window begins. That's when Seattle and Vancouver will be
allowed to start negotiating with unprotected players. Both Vancouver and Seattle will be allowed to sign five players each during this period. Then on June ninth, it's the Expansion Draft, where both teams will be able to build their rosters out to include twelve players each. Like we said before, only being allowed to protect three players from the jump is wild. We're trying not to get too deep into internet rumors and speculation about our favorite players getting snagged
and relocated. I don't know if I could say the same for the players on those teams. If I were them, I would be googlin' up a storm. Finally, some cool news out of Chicago. The Chicago Color Neutral Stars formerly Red Stars, may be losing most of their games, but the team's president, Karen Litzo, is winning in the Illinois
General Assembly. Per release from the Stars, the Assembly quote voting to pass House built twenty seven to seventy two, a bill backed by the Chicago Stars that a men's the Illinois Sports Facility Authority Act, known as the Equity Amendment. This legislation ensures that if conversations are had regarding public funding for sports facilities through ISFA, that women's professional sports teams are to be considered, effectively securing women a seat at the table, the bill will be sent to the
Governor's desk for his consideration. End quote. Now, if you listen to the show, you know I often mentioned taxpayer funds and city assistants as one of the many benefits enjoyed by men's pro leagues but historically denied to women's leagues. It feels like there's finally a push in a couple different places to start demanding equal support and financial assistance for women's stadiums and facilities too, which we love to see. So shout out Chicago. We got to take a quick break, y'all.
When we come back, it's a big day for me and my co author, Delan McCullough. Our chat is coming up next joining me. He's one of football's premier running back coaches, helping nearly twenty backs to one thousand plus yard seasons. A five time national finalist for Top running Back Coach, he played a key role in the chief Super Bowl win helped Notre Dame get back to the National Title Game last season and just join the staff of the Las Vegas Raiders. He and I wrote a
book together about his incredible life. It's Delan McCullough. Hi, Delan, Hey, how you doing.
Thank you? Thank you.
I'm so excited to just chat about this book. We're doing lots of interviews together, but me getting to interview you is very fun and I want to spend most of our time just you know, talking and not rehashing the book. So I'm going to give a brief synopsis so people kind of know what we're talking about, but the goal is to get people to buy the book, so we're not going to give all the good stuff. Basically, you grew up. You were adopted Youngstown, Ohio, post industrial collapse.
So you had a young radio DJ and his wife who adopted you, and when you were two years old, the DJ decided to leave. Now you've got a single mom with you and your brother Damon. In a pretty tough time in Youngstown, she dealt with a turbulent divorce, subsequent relationships that weren't always all that great. There was some abuse, there were some drugs, and during all of this you're just trying to figure out what your identity is as both an adopted kid and as a person
who do I want to be? What do I want to become? You find football. Football becomes a sanctuary. You become a great player. Get recruited to play for Miami of Ohio by a fellow Youngstown guy, Sherman Smith, who had made it big in the NFL and came back to recruit for is alma mater was coaching there, brought you there. You break a bunch of records. Things are going great. You think you're going to be in the NFL. Injuries hit the NFL. Dream doesn't happen. You bounce around football.
You get into teaching. You get into coaching. You're making a name for yourself as a coach, all while being mentored by a handful of your coaches, including Sherman Smith. You have four sons, and every time you have to tell them, I'm just not sure what my history is. I don't know my birth parents, I don't know my medical history. And final in your early forties, the laws change and you're able to find your birth certificate. You'll
find your mom within two days on Facebook. Turns out she was a sixteen year old honor student who was sent away to have you in private, went back to school with no one. The wiser only told her parents, and her cousin didn't even tell the dad because he was already off to school and she didn't want to disrupt his life. And you find her on Facebook and ask her about her life. It turns out she was in Youngstown, right down the street from you, but you
never knew. And you asked, you know who my dad is? And she says, your dad is a man named Sherman Smith. So it turns out your college football coach and mentor of nearly thirty years was your dad all along. Now it sounds like we're giving away the story, but I promise you there is so much good stuff in this that it's not really about the twist. It's about everything else. So Deilan, I just want to ask you were just a few days out from the official launch date of
the book. How are you feeling? What are the predominant emotions?
Oh?
I'm excited, you know.
I'm looking forward to every getting a resonated message of hope and overcoming adversity and searching for who you really are and overcoming whatever it takes to find out those answers, So I'm excited about it. There was some trepidation for a little bit, of course, but I'm past that and I'm excited about the message that the book.
Is going to say.
I'm glad to hear that. I was worried about the trepidation. I was trying to make sure I was supportive during that, because it's tough to tell the whole world your story. It's tough to unearth some of this stuff. But I knew once we got to the end, it would not only serve you and your family, but so many other people who are going to read it. And I wonder
that trepidation. What was the toughest part for you in figuring out, Okay, I'm opening up my life and my family and my friends, not only to Sarah to tell the story, but soon to the world.
I'm a really quiet person, so I'm really reserved and to myself, you know. But I think the story says this that when I open up and let people in, that there's things that people can learn from me. So, you know, just just doing that kind of opening myself up to other people. But again, I think the thing that was overwriting for me is what people can learn from this, and it was therapy in this for me too.
I mean, it just.
Really was was immensely therapeutic for me, kind of going through having these conversations, writing these things down, having it written. At least that first draft was pretty hardcore, man, and I was like, whoa, this is something. You know, when you get it back the way that you got it back, you don't realize how tough it is, you know, and
it makes you look yourself in the mirror. But once we got through, we did kind of smoothed out some edges, but not taking away the true flavor for what the book is going to be.
I'm excited to see what people get from Yeah.
I remember I was sitting with my friends at dinner getting ready to go see Madonna, and that was the first text I got from you after I sent the first draft. And a lot of people as they're writing book, they're sort of like checking in chapter by chapter. But I knew a lot of my interviews with you and your family would cause me to revise things and go
back and change the order of things. So as we were doing the interviews and talking, I was like, all right, he's going to get the one big first draft and then we'll work on it together. And I was so nervous about what you might say, and you were super positive, which I loved. But you also said I learned a lot. And I said that to my friend. I was, oh, I'm so glad he said he learned a lot. She's like,
it's his life, what does he have to learn? And I'm like, girl, I read like nine books to prep for this so I could make sure it wasn't just about him but about all of us and how we all get to make these choices about ourselves and our family. And I was also really happy that throughout your brother and some other members of your family were reading it and really saying, you got me, you understood me, and
you told my story right. I wonder now that you've shared the book with more of your friends and family, were you surprised by anyone's reaction or feedback?
Not really, you know what it was overall, it was very positive. So what I sent to an array of people now, like hey, friends from long time ago, recent you know obviously you know, longstanding friends, people in my family, different things like that.
Who I knew I would get the truth from. And you know, at one point.
I thought, I mean, I would get maybe one of my cousins say, hey, this ain't a good idea.
Hey chapter six or chapter fifteen, this is going to be a problem. But everyone was so supportive.
Everybody, and I went into it and loaded it's saying, hey, tell me the truth, tell me where you think it's going to be some hot spots, just give me your perspective on it.
And it's been overwhelmingly positive. I didn't hear anything about any issues or things like that.
And I know it's not perfect, but it's going to be pretty perfect in how it hits people's hearts and hopefully it gives them some insight that can help elevate things that they have going on in their own lives.
Yeah, I'm so glad to hear that. It is scary to tell stories, and we all have our own memories of things. We all remember things differently. And one of the most powerful things you said to me is you were telling me these stories of your past and your childhood and growing up and all these other things. Is
a conversation you had with your adoptive mom Adele. And you said, listen, Ma, like I get that this is how you remember this and I get that you're giving me context that I didn't know as a kid about why you made these choices or why these things happened. But I was a kid and I didn't know that. So this is how I took it then. And that's the part we have to share, is not the revised version of now I understand looking back, but how it felt for you as a kid as a teen to
go through some of the tough times. And that was really powerful. And I think that's why it's so useful to really get your story out. When it lives in your head, you can just keep editing as you go, but there's something about putting it down and really being honest about what it was. You know, one of the big parts of this book is choice. You have been very clear since the beginning that life did not happen to you. You chose the person that you are. You
didn't let a tough childhood hold you back. You didn't want to repeat the behaviors of some of the toxic parents or parent figures that you had. Where do you think you found that strength throughout your life to be resilient and choose your own path, Maybe not the path that would have been handed to you.
That's a great question.
I don't know, just just sitting there and hearing some of the things that I heard, some of the things I experienced, you know, just it was like a switch was flipped and I was just saying, you know what, I sat up one night and it's an argument or whatever going on, and again, not being.
Disrespectful to anything, I just said, you know what, this is not how my life is going to be when I.
Grow up and I'm in a position to have influence or I have my own family, that it won't be like this. So I took a lot of those lessons that I learned to kind of reverse them, because you would say, well, shoot, those are some bad things that you've seen.
Why didn't you mimic them or what?
Or they were things that you could end up kind of falling victim to as far as your decision making, And I said no.
I looked at him as the reverse and said, look, I'm glad.
I said, I'm glad that I had these experiences because it moted me into who I am, and I wanted to be the opposite of let lesson.
Yeah, that's a through line something that your mom told you when you were young, which was God gives you a choice. You know you can. God gives you let's you see good and bad, and you get to choose what you want to be. And it feels like you
kept doing that. You know, it's really a book about you, but about all of us and all of our families, both birth and found families, and you know, I wanted to be sure to write about it, and I wanted to really understand how interesting it is to be handed stuff via blood that's very obvious, DNA and genes, but also what were handed via family messaging and lessons and traditions.
And it's so easy to sometimes take those things as fact after you hear them over and over, the things your parents always say, or the kind of throwaway lines that they don't even recognize their repeating, and you start to internalize it and you're like, well, that's how it is. But I wanted folks who read it to consider that while their genes are decided, they get to choose what
they passed down to their children. They get to choose what they continue with their siblings, even with their parents. You can go back and heal backwards. If you decide something that you have with your family isn't serving you. Did the book help you have some of those tough conversations with your family? Did it bring up some stuff through reading it that made you want to talk to them about some of those choices.
Yeah.
I mean it's interesting when you look back and you talk about the habits or the tendencies you pick up just based on how you were raising. I mean, and I was aware of those things, you know, to a degree as we went through the book, and I thought about, hey, as a young you know, as a young person and an young adult, just the way the structure of our home was.
And it wasn't anything wrong. A lot of people raised like this. You didn't question authority, You didn't question some things you didn't. You just kind of went with the flow.
And I talk to people about the books, you know right now, shoot a couple hours ago.
That resonates with people.
They say, look, I still do that today for me in my home, I just said, look, I wanted people to understand the why, you know.
This is what we're doing this for. Here's why this is happening.
And it was an open form where guys can have a conversation about being so I didn't want it to be a situation where hey, I'm grown, you just do what I say do and all these different things, and the same thing with my coach, and I'll try to get the guy as the why and give them a little bit of a voice and empower them to a degree. So, yes, the book was therapeutic because it pulled all those layers.
Back and it also revealed to me a bunch of things that I'm.
I ain't I ain't closed the gap on yet, I got I still got some things.
I'm like, Wow, there's issues.
There's things that were that are in the book to make me say, I still need a whole lot of things that I need to overhain.
Yeah, are there new questions that you now have? Are there things that you answered a lot about yourself and where you came from, But now as you continue to be a part of this new blended family, are there new questions or goals that you have?
Well, I mean, I just want to continue to grow in my communication.
You know, as I said here, I sent this to one of my friends and they had asked, have you, guys the people in the book have we addressed through counseling, et cetera. Some of those things, and I said, no, we haven't. And that was an interesting thing just to think about. Like I'm kind of doing therapy in real time like with the world, like people going get interviewed and different things, and I say, how did you overcome this? So how do you think about that? I'ma say, I'm
still figuring it out. Yeah, you know, and look, I'm inviting you guys into that process that's going on right now and just trying to work my way through it, but again being as transparent as possible, and you know, letting you know, bearing my scars in the process and hopefully people learn from them because I'm still learning from them right now.
I love that there are a lot of people that want to wait till they're at the quote unquote finished product, but there is so much benefit to letting people see the messy middle. I think you're past the middle. I think you're further down the way the road than the middle. But you're definitely not a finished product. None of us are. I learned a lot about myself and my family by doing this book, and I really took so much joy
in doing the research. All the books I read about family systems and generational trauma and emotional DNA and all that stuff. And I got to play therapist a little in my desire to understand each person in the book and why they made the choices they did and be empathetic and intentional about why they became who they are.
And that's one of the things I think when you get far enough in life and you realize that people are the way they are because of things that happened to them, things that happened around them, you tend to be a little more empathetic. Even if they're jerk offs. You tend to feel like they're they're that way because of something, and could you help them through it instead of just coming, you know, being at odds with them.
I wonder what's been the best part of the journey of finding your birth parents Just.
That connection, you know.
I mean, you know, the conversations I have with my dad and the conversations I have with my mom.
I mean, those are like like.
They complete a circle for me, you know, because forever, especially on the father's side, I never had that dad who I can just talk to about anything.
I never had, you know, we had these figures, but they weren't good figures.
They definitely weren't figures that I would say, Hey, I need to run something by you and have a conversation.
I never had.
So I just think about the type of person I am, how quiet I am, different things like that. Maybe having that person outside of my brother that I felt like I could just speak too freely, you know, it could have helped me bridge some gap and maybe prevented some things that happened in my early childhood as far as some of my decision making. But all those are part of the grand plan, you know, to get me where I am.
So but I do know the relationships I have.
With my mom and my dad, and obviously my stepmom, my brother and sisters and all the extended family has been outstanding, and I just want to keep building on that.
What's been the toughest part about finding your birth parents and adding them into the mix, I.
Don't know, just not feeling like I'm slighting the family that did everything, laid the foundation for everything. You know, the family that you know eighty percent of the book is about, you know that I that I grew up around in my friends and those guardian angels that we referred to in the book. You know, I don't want them, and I sent message. How about it is, I send messages to all of those guys. This is just a lot of people in there, and they were just blown away with I just.
Sent the message to them, thank you and here's what's coming, and you were mentioned and different things like that, because I don't want anybody to feel like, Wow, he got to this point and all he's talking about is you know what happened when his birth records.
Weren't you know.
I don't want anybody to feel like I forgot the impact that they had on me when I was ten years old, eight years old, nineteen years.
Old, thirty years old.
So it's important to me that everybody feels respected during this whole process.
So the toughest part is making sure that and it's not tough, but I got to be intentional. Yeah, well, letting those guys know how important they are to me.
I'm really excited for you. The impact you're going to have on some people in your life when you talk about them in the book. That's so meaningful to people. And I think even though we try to sometimes we forget to tell people how we feel in the moment, or we feel uncomfortable really expressing to people just what they meant to us or our lives. And for those folks, those Guardian Angels and a couple others in the book, I think they're going to be really moved by the
impact they had on you. You're talking to me from the Las Vegas Raiders facility. Your dad coached under Pete Carroll with the Seahawks. You did a coaching internship with the two of them way back when before you ever knew that Sherman was your dad. Now you're coaching under Pete Carroll with the Raiders. How has it been working with Pete now that you both know the truth about you and your dad?
It's a real because he'll look and you just you'll look across the table and you'll start laughing, like, man, I feel like I'm looking at Shirm right. So it's been great, you know, just the synergy between us. I think, you know, the way he approaches things on a very humanistic level, relationship level with.
Guys that really marries up with.
My philosophy and the way that our attempt to build football players and more importantly create positive young men and adults.
Obviously, you know.
So, I mean it's been real cool, you know, right now, just getting to know the guys and getting ready.
For the season.
Well, I can't wait for people to read the book and really understand how wild it is that you end up coaching for Pete after your dad did that. You're repeating so much of what he did in his life. Again. I'm just really excited for the book to be out there. I know you're older than me, but I'm proud of you dealing for doing this and for being brave enough to do it, and for all the people's lives you're
going to touch. I remember the first story we did for ESPN, people coming to send us messages about their stories of adoption or their wild ways that they learned that someone in their life was part of their family. And even the folks to message and said that they looked for their birth parents and it didn't work out well and it wasn't joyful, and what it meant to
them to see how things turned out for you. I just think that's going to happen twenty fiftyfold with this book, and I'm very excited for you to see what an impact you can have on other people with just the person that you are. I know it wasn't always easy every step of the way, especially when you were sending me your edits via text message and it was like
Chinese water torture, all debt boop boop boop. But that's the process, and I'm really proud of us that we did it, and I'm really excited for the book to come out. So thanks for chatting with me.
No, and I definitely want to say you know everybody, I mean, you did outstanding and this the research, putting everything together, the interviews, dealing with the text messaging, I mean I was copying screen texts and send me all these things.
And just the fact that you had a vision.
I mean, yes, we put we put everything in this blender, but you put it out and kind of laid it out in it's accinct manner that there's no I wouldn't have thought about writing this on my own anyway, but I couldn't think of a better person, especially as we're going through the process, and now we are we I.
Guess we get into the finished line, but maybe the starting line.
Is just the beginning.
Yeah, the beginning.
We're ending one part but opening up another. I'm excited to see where this thing goes. But I just wanted to tell you. I'm just honored and full of pride that I had the opportunity to do this.
Yeah, I'm so grateful to you in your family. They were so honest and welcoming and trusted me, and that's a really big deal. All right, get back to work and also leave work soon. What do you what do you do? It's still at work.
Come on, I'm about to get up out of here right now.
Man. Even after several years of working together, I'm still surprised and intrigued by Delan's perspective on this whole journey. So I love talking to him and hearing the emotions that the book inspires and being reminded of how many folks might be deeply affected by it. So grateful to him for joining the show and for trusting me with this story. We got to take another break, slices. When we return, it's time to pull your cameras out. Welcome back, Slices.
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