"Diplomatic Dilemmas: Immunity and Accountability"

Music. Okay, so when I was coming down the other day, I was surrounded.

Now, if you live in the D.C. area, you know what a diplomatic tag is. And you don't want them around you because they have diplomatic immunity. And I was nothing. Coming over the American Legion Bridge into Virginia, it was nothing but diplomatic tags, front, left, and center. All of them were driving terribly.

And I remember this case back in the 90s. a diplomat son from i think it was brazil or spain killed somebody on dupont circle and they pretty much just got on a jet and went home and avoided prosecution are you familiar with that i don't know any of the details but yes i i do remember what you're talking about and it was a big whoop-dee-doo like how dare he blah blah blah right right and if you if you're in dc and you know when you see a diplomatic

tag you know what country it's from not i know a few of them I don't know them all. I will never forget UH. UH is Spain, and the only reason I can remember it off the very top of my head is, do you know what the diplomatic tag for Spain is? Duh. That's the only reason I can remember that one off the top of my head. They're everywhere, and I'm always, when I'm— I pointed out Saudi Arabia to you today. Yep, you did. And when they're around me, I get worried. Right.

Because invariably a lot of them are driving very well well now if there's a on the diplomatic tags if there's a d they're a diplomat but there's also s and s just means they're what the hell is that we're down in the doom room but you guys if you've been following this story there's virtually nothing down here echo echo yeah i have no idea this room's hard surfaces again it's not pillows and boxes something behind me fell i don't know what it was that's okay the

puss worked up yes Even the post looked up. Yes. So if it's an S, that just means there's staff and they don't have diplomatic immunity. Oh. So. Okay. But this was the child of the ambassador or whatever. So they just sent him back to Spain. So there's no, I, I, no, I'm, I don't know if I'm correct in this, but like, let's say a diplomat has six kids and they're all driving age. Yeah. Technically, I think they can all have a diplomatic tag because they're all the children of the diplomats.

I'm not sure on that, but that's a possibility. I think it's kind of uncool. Well, no. I think diplomatic immunity is kind of uncool. Well, a country that's worthwhile will not, in a situation like that, will not let that person get away with it. Right. To hold them accountable. Because if you think about it. So it makes me think it was Brazil then. Probably. But if you think about it, if you think about it, American diplomats that are in other countries are diplomats.

Right. So they have diplomatic immunity. Right. So and it's and it's big. And I I could be wrong on this because, you know, I sometimes talk and I don't know what I'm talking about. But I was under the impression that these diplomats have the status because in the past they would do stupid shit and not realize it was against the law. Right. And so it was like, well, wait, I'm a diplomat. I didn't know. I didn't know. I didn't know. They they they developed that legislation.

Remember, remember the was it Thailand? No, it was the guy who got cane for scratching cars. Singapore. Singapore. And that was also one of those places where you couldn't chew gum. That was it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And this dumbass in America is like, beat him, cane him, cane him. Beat the shit out of him. Yeah. But that was it. But they weren't going to shoot him. They weren't going to hang him. They were just going to beat cane him. Right, they were going to

punish him. Literally cane him. Literally, you know, punish him accordingly. So. Anyway, the. Has there ever been, off the top of my head, I cannot think of a case of an American diplomat doing something horrible in another country. No. I mean, I'm sure it happened. I'm not saying it didn't happen.

I'm just saying I don't remember anything. Well, speaking of people not behaving horribly, what do you think of the Canadians? They have a reputation for being polite. Yes. They're your neighbors. They're your next neighbors that you give a spare key to. Right. They are. The Canadians are the addict. The Mexicans are the base. Oh God, I'm not. No. Oh, that's an old joke. That was an old joke.

The Canada is the attic and there's stuff up there. If you're willing to explore and Mexico is the basement, you better watch out. And that's just horrible. I'll probably cut that whole bit out. Okay. It'd be funny if you left it in and took. Took your lumps. Okay, well, I'll take my lumps because our, you know, 150,000 listeners. Yeah. Debbie's going to be like, I didn't like that joke. Yeah, exactly. Thanks, Debbie. The Canadians get a bad rap for being good guys. Right.

It's Canadians. They're polite and they're nice. Well, think about it on the South Park, how you can always tell a character's Canadian when their head jumps up and down. Oh, yeah, no, no, it's Terrence and... Oh, I moved the tables loose because there's not a bunch of shit on it. Right, it's Terrence and Phillip. Terrence and Phillip, exactly. And the South Park creators, what's his name, Parker and whatever, those guys, they like to vilify Canada because Canada is so funny.

Anyway, apparently not everybody in Canada is a nice guy. Oh, look at you with your segue. We are, we're doing a forensic files this week. And I think the killer, I don't understand when I, I don't know. I don't understand why. I'm glad I don't understand why people kill, but I don't understand why people, like, I feel like our killer could have, if he was just cool, he was a big strapping dude.

I feel like they can get, there are a lot of women who are like, oh, I love a man in a uniform and a lumberjack. That's not what it's about. That's not what it's about. It's power. It's control.

That's that weird shit. Well, here we go. Forensic files. Wait, wait, wait. Before you say that, think about how frustrated an individual he was. He must have been. Nothing in his life was going well. He kept making bad choices, and it kept compounding. We'll get there. Yeah, exactly. It's June 19th, 1985. No, no, Captain. Oh, it's Forensic Files. Forensic Files. Season 12. Season 12. Episode 5. Episode 5. Quite a spectacle. Quite a spectacle. And that references to eyeglasses.

It's almost like a Segway. Forensic Files and their puns. It's fun, but it's morbid, too. Oh, I think it's funny. It's June 19th, 1985. We are in Collingwood, Ontario. It's a suburb of Toronto. Jack was asking, is that the French speaking part of Canada? I'm like, no, that's Ontario. I don't think that age is right. Cause it's, I thought it was 89. It might be 89. Yeah, it is. That's a typo. It's 89. Good for you. Oh, look at me paying attention. All right. So it is 80.

It's raining, but that didn't keep 33-year-old Debbie Kenlock from stepping out. She went to Kelsey's? Kelsey's? Kelsey's. With her girls. With her girls. She left her six-year-old daughter with her grandparents. She's responsible. And at 325 that morning, Kelsey's, which is such a name, that's like Bennigan's. Right. Did you like Bennigan's? I've been to a few Bennegan's in my time. Are they still around? I don't think so. I think they went the way. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

And what was the other one we were talking? We watched a thing about those chain restaurants that went awake. I feel like Kelsey's was the Bennegan's of Canada. Probably, probably. It's 325 in the morning. There's a 911 call. Oh, good. 911 call. And Debbie says she's been assaulted. We get some really good Canadian accents in this one. This is David Crane. He's a detective inspector. You shared me that TikTok where the guy sounded exactly like the guy from Family Guy.

I like these kids. Mr. Hubert. Why do you let these people swim illegally in this like, well, it's something I like to do to little kids. I want to help the children out of America. And the thing was, if you know, you know. But that character. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Mr. Hubert. Anyway, we got a lot of good Canadian accents. Here's David Crane. Debbie and a few of her friends went to a local restaurant where they visited with each other.

And it was later in the evening when Debbie and her friends said goodbye to each other in the parking lot. She indicated she had been assaulted. I don't believe she was in total understanding of what had occurred. She was struggling to stay conscious. By the time the authorities arrived, she was alive when she called in. She said, I've been assaulted. I've been assaulted. She's disoriented, dying. It's terrible. By the time they get there, she's passed away. This is Jerry Webb.

He's a forensic investigator, another devout Canadian worker. He's great. When I entered through the door of the apartment, I could see that there was an unclosed female body laying on her back next to the couch. Beside her left arm, which was outstretched, was the handset of a telephone. There was a great deal of blood on the floor. So that second voice was Carmen McCann, another investigator. I have to point out that my, many of my, half of my ancestors came through Canada.

They went from Ireland to Canada. I know. And they're all mixed. Wait. I'm passing judgment. About what? Well, you know, my long and illustrious family history, We are the descendants of the illegitimate children of the English aristocracy and monarchy. So, you know. My favorite thing is your vocals are barely registering right now in Audacity. Because I'm trying to be classy. There you go. You're playing too hard to guess.

Oh, fine. Nobody's even going to hear it. Fine. But no, the mix in Ontario, it's just, it's so, and everybody was a Mick, a McCann, a McAllister. Right. You know, and I have Mick fatigue, as you know. Well, you know. We now see footage from the actual crime scene and there's blood everywhere. Are you from Canada? You said footage. I did? Yes, you did. Footage. He's been listening to these Canadian things too long. I don't think even Canadians say footage. Well, you know.

There's blood everywhere. They find a pair of glasses and they assume it belongs to the killer correctly. Upon entering Debbie Timlock's bedroom, we noticed blood on the waterbed, blood on different articles of clothing and sheets, as well as a comforter that were either on the bed or on the floor. There was also bloodstains and some blood spatter on a headboard of the bed. So judging from what they see, it looks like the killer came in through the kitchen window.

And we later learned the killer actually got through a small opening, which is pretty surprising because we find out he's kind of a big lad. I was just going to say the size of that window and the size of this individual that's the suspect. How the hell he got through that window, I will never know. Outside the window, it's a ground floor apartment. Oh, I want to pause you for a second. Uh-huh.

So, wasn't that long ago we were at your place and we came home from the Elks and we had a little drinking? Uh-huh. And you didn't have your keys. Yeah, I have to break into my own apartment. I do that all the time. It's a ground floor condo. I was howling. I break into that place all the time. I regularly forget to bring a key with me and I always make sure one window is unlocked. Because it's that damn key fob thing. Yeah. The key fob is so big and it doesn't fit on a key ring.

And I understand why this has happened. Oh, speaking of which, if anybody finds a Volkswagen key fob with two house keys and a vintage 1984 IZOD Lacoste key chain, key ring thing, it's mine. I lost the key chain I have carried since I was 16.

And I cannot find it. it's absolutely driving me bat shit crazy that's a big loss right now i know because it's a little it's a really cute i've carried it since i was 60 okay i'm sorry focus focus it's okay anyway i break into my my condo regularly because i forget but of course he's a little skinny thing so you can just slip right through the window it's very funny so the the killer came in through that kitchen window but they he knocked she was

ripening tomatoes on her her windowsill and he He knocked a tomato out, the perpetrator, and he stepped on it. He left a pattern from his shoe in the tomato. I literally just rolled my eyes and shook my head. It's unbelievable. Debbie Timlock had a tomato on her windowsill ripening, and the tomato had likely been dragged out onto the ground when the suspect had pulled the blinds out of the window.

When we noticed the tomato, it was quite obvious that there was a partial footwear impression on the tomato itself. They photographed the tomato, then. In Debbie's refrigerator to preserve it. They didn't find any fingerprints and nothing of value was missing. So now they have to ask the question who would have wanted to hurt her.

We learned from her autopsy, autopsy, that's Canadian again. She died from a stabbing. She was stabbed in the heart in the back. If I understood the, if I saw the correct, if I understood what I saw, there were only two. There were only two stab wounds. Three stab wounds. One was, one was to her heart and one was to her back. It was really, it was minimal. So it wasn't really, I don't know.

That's horrible. They turned their focus to a guy named Ron Osborne that Debbie had lived with for four years. And he had been in prison. That's the whole thing on the drug charge. Right, right. When they were like, he brought drugs up from Jamaica. They didn't say the drugs, but of course it was weed. That's it? I was weed. I was assuming cocaine. No weed. Jamaica, the 80s weed. I have no idea. You have no, people today do not understand how precious weed was in the 80s.

Oh, no, no, no. I understand how precious weed was. But when I think of like the kind of hoops they had to jump through to get drugs into the country, I just always think a harder drug than pot. Weed was a harder drug back then. I guess so. It really was. It was a big money. But they realized later on that even though she had to testify against him in court. He didn't care. She wasn't going to be ahead. She was kind of forced to, yeah.

So then they look at Debbie's ex-husband, but everybody, even her brother. Even her brother's like, he's a nice guy. Yeah, and her brother looks like David Spade. Yes, her brother did look like David Spade. It was an amicable divorce. And her brother said, you know, sometimes people just don't get along. And I love it when people divorce and they're like, we're just not a good match. We have a kid together, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We should just go.

It's all about me. There was a guy at work once and I was talking about, because my sister has her, she's with her second husband now. Yeah. Because the boys were still younger when they got separated and divorced, we were still invited to things. And her first husband was there and her second, you know, it was this very convoluted thing. And my whole point was, is I don't want to create a problem. So no one's going to be like, well, we can only invite them or we can only invite

them. So I never made a big deal. And I didn't particularly dislike any of the first husband's family. And I would go and I would always be graceful. Actually, his niece, my nephew's cousin, I just adore her. She's fabulous. I just love her. She hangs outside of helicopters and shoots wild. She's a game. Oh, she's fabulous. Anyway. Okay. Oh, no, no. That's fine. Yeah. So I'm sorry. So to finish the story.

So I was at work and I was talking about this and I was like, well, you know, my sister's first husband and his family, blah, blah, blah.

And a coworker who had nothing to do with the, you know, who didn't know any of him he goes thank you and i was like excuse me he goes as a child of a divorced situation the fact that you you're not making a big deal about this crap is really nice they're gonna remember it later you know what i mean so you know that's all so without any leads they turn their attention to the evidence the glasses they found were folded they were under her body

but they feel like they fell out of someone's pocket right but even though they were under her body they were folded as though if she'd crawled over them they would have been kind of like splayed and whatever so they were folded when they're like uh i of course immediately i'm like those look like child molester class they've also noticed that there's a very distinctive pattern in the tomato we knew right away that we had a pattern in the tomato and we knew right away that

it was a herringbone pattern when the film was developed and analyzed the flesh in the photo created distinct shadows. We could see that along with the herringbone pattern was a second pattern or more detail than we had first been able to see, which was an S shape that came through the herringbone pattern. I love that they use, they put the tomato and put it in her refrigerator. Well, they had to, because they had to preserve it. Immediately preserve it. They just did it there.

They then get her former 23-year-old neighbor, James Brown. James Brown. Yeah. Okay, so we can make a lot of jokes off of that. I know. Did you love that? What was the... Talking Heads had that spinoff band called... Wasn't it just the Heads? No. With my boyfriend, my lucky boyfriend. There's no waiting in my ribs. James Brown. James Brown. James Brown. Yeah, yeah. Anyway, that album sold more albums than all of the Talking Heads albums combined.

That's so funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He was a hopeful wrestling and judo. Olympics.

Olympic guy debbie had told friends that he had made unwanted advances towards her they're in the same apartment complex he's a big big dude man and he wasn't unattractive and i don't understand why guys like that because it's a like i told you it's a control thing it's a it's you know how many haven't you ever seen a guy who looks like a total loser and he's like yeah she's too fat she's too ugh, I could do better. I'll let her suck my dick. Yeah, I guess.

Because men think most, well, dirtball men think that they are a treasure regardless of their status. Oh, okay. Got it. Yeah. And he looked like the kind of guy who thought he was a treasure. The shit. Okay. And I want to go back to, he was a big dude. He was only 23. He looked like he was 40 and was sold used cars. Mm-hmm. Yeah. It was, he was. Yeah. He didn't, he looked 40. Yeah. He did not. Yeah. It was a, he had a rough look about it. He looked like a bar, like a guy who was on a bar.

Yeah. Yeah. He's huge. When the, he's questioned about the murder, he claims he was out of town, staying in a hotel where he was assaulted by unknown assailants. He ended up waking up by the road. Didn't make any sentence. Didn't make any sense. That was why he explained away the scratches on his face.

They never said anything about you know when they go into the fingernails they they never said anything about that with her so dna yeah or well you know the the residue that's under fingernails right no no there was none of that he's uh six foot three he's 350 pounds they get a break when they see his mug shot he's wearing these glasses so they clean up the glasses that they found at the crime scene and they present them to him as he's being interviewed but he doesn't

take the bait. He smells a rat. They literally say he smells a rat. So they hand him the glasses that he dropped at the crime scene and he said, they're not mine. And the best part about it is, is when you see the pictures of him with wearing the glasses, they are like a metal frame with a tinted brown tinted top. And then the bottoms are clear and they're kind of, they look like they're shitty glasses. They look like child molester glasses. That's what I said.

Police search his apartment and his car and they find a pair of prison issued sneakers now he's been in prison off and on several times no longer than three months we learn assault but attacks these these these sneakers were made in czechoslovakia they were bought by the ontario government and they were issued to prisoners in ontario prisons and they looked like fake Nike, Adidas knockoff. And you kept saying, they kept saying Adidas and you're like,

Adidas is like, stop talking. Stop talking about our shoes. It's not an Adidas shoe. It looked like an Adidas knockoff. That's really funny. So the investigators are trying to recreate the impression that on the tomato. So they get a pair of the same sneakers from the jail and they weigh down a guy with a bomb suit, you know, like one of those, they go into defuse bombs and it's got all the lead, but then they load him up with like a bench plate,

bench press plates. Because he had the same size feet. So he wore a size 13 and he's 350 pounds and they have him step on a bunch of tomatoes. It's kind of comic, but it's funny. But that is science, baby. It's the due diligence of And they're really trying to solve the problem. Now, see, that was one thing that I didn't get, because they were saying that while it was the same pattern, they couldn't say 100% that it was the same shoe.

And I'm like, shoes have nicks and cuts and things on the bottom of them. There was that fingerprint thing, but it's the same shoe. It's the same shoe, but it's also the tomato, so, you know. They were able to absolutely recreate the pattern. They lined it up. It fit like a glove. Of course it did. Smell the Glove. That's a great album by... I don't know that one. No, Smell the Glove from... Smell the Glove? Spinal Tap. Oh.

That was their album that got them in trouble. I don't know that one at all. Oh, no, and Spinal Tap, and they're doing... Okay. There's a new... You watched the documentary with me, and you were like, I get it, you know. Yeah, I find Spinal Tap funny, but I don't find it nearly as easy as you do. It's a little slow, but they're doing Spinal Tap. There's another Spinal Tap coming out, and Smell the Glove was there. Their album that they were releasing at the time.

And holy shit. While it's not compelling that they can match up the impression of the sneaker, it's not enough. It's not enough for them to be like, we've got to slam dunk. So they go to the glasses. Now, Dr. Graham, who we meet, goes through a pretty calculated calibration. He's got two mug shots. They were like glamour mug shots. I know, yeah. I don't understand that. So apparently in the early 80s. Toronto's that nice.

Because he's seated and it's at an angle and it's at an angle yeah it's not a head on view he's wearing a sports suit he's got a jacket on in one and he's got on like a titty bar t-shirt in the other one yes yeah and he's able to see in the irises of of his eyes yeah that the the flash bulbs from the cameraman and the one the left eye you can see the two and it's angled so much Then in the left eye, there's just the one. They know how big his head is.

My phone is telling me to go to bed. Go to bed. So this is science. He can take these reflections of the flashbulbs in the guy's eyes in a picture and is able to use those pictures to get specific scientific results measurement calibrate and say that these, uh, these glasses are exactly the glasses. They're the exact same size as his head would have fit.

Exactly. And then there was some weird issues with the glasses because he, the way they described that they, they're trying really politely to say, these are cheap ass glasses. They were. Oh yeah. Hold on. Because I got to do this audio bit. When we come back, you can tell them about that audio. A decision had been made by the investigators to deliver Jim Brown's glasses to him at the jail. Prior to doing that, they wanted them cleaned of the blood that was on them.

The glasses were photographed in the studio. They were then cleaned of the blood. And in that process of cleaning the blood, part of the laminate from the temples of the glasses was rubbed off. So there was some confusion that the glasses were gold. No, no, no. I wanted to talk about the lenses. So the lenses, the guy, the forensic guy's like, the lenses didn't fit the frames. And one was ground down on the side to fit better.

And like, if you looked at the glasses, they looked fine. You probably wouldn't notice it. But up close, you could see that one lens was much larger than the other. Not thicker, larger, like bigger. And that it had been carved down and it was grinding. These were very inexpensive glasses to begin with. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They were Foster Grants. That's actually funny. But they were originally gold, but they wanted to remove all of the blood on them.

They wanted to clean them before they gave them to them. So by the time they had been cleaned, the cheap plating had come off and they turned brown. That's really funny. Then we get what the investigators speculated happened that night. It was a very warm night, and the evidence shows that when Debbie returned from an evening with friends, she opened the kitchen window to help cool her apartment. Then she went to sleep. It was a ground-floor apartment. The kitchen window was low.

The motive was unclear, but the evidence shows James Brown entered Debbie's apartment and knocked the tomato off the windowsill, then stepped on it, leaving the impression of his prison shoes. Brown attacked Debbie in the bedroom, assaulted her, stabbed her twice with a knife, and left her for dead. On his way out, he dropped his glasses in the hallway. Debbie, most likely paralyzed from the waist down from the stab wound, crawled over those glasses on her way to call police.

She died before she could identify her attacker.

But her blood on Brown's glasses did it for her. So on January 19th, 1992, two and a half years after her murder, the trial lasted two and a half weeks. I can't imagine why it went on that long, but it's Canada. They're being so nice. They're being really nice. I really don't want to. Does anybody else want to come in and say something? The jury took six and a half hours and they came back with a verdict of guilty of murder. There's no death penalty in Canada.

And we get the classic forensic files closeout where everybody says they're little bits. I believe Debbie died on the telephone knowing she had done her job. I recall the day that Dr. Strong came to our office in Barrie like it was yesterday. This was months after the initial investigation. It was a piece of evidence that was individual. And it truly was a high-five Yahoo moment. Because now we were able to speak for Debbie Timlock.

Yeah, I was surprised at what they came up with. So involved, it was so many little clues to have it together and put together a case. Thanks, guys. You're all are nice. Okay, so he has to still be alive. You couldn't find much? No. So I did, in my research, I guess because it was so early, you know, 1988, 1989, when all this went down. Ninety. 89. 1989. So there's nothing. She doesn't have an online presence at all because it was all before that.

So on him though, and as for him, James Brown was only in his early 20s when he was convicted of that first degree murder. He was 25. Oh, yeah, yeah. Okay. So that was in January 19th of 1989. Brown was tried and found guilty in 1992 and served a life sentence. He was granted parole in 2018.

Oh, no, no. Pardon me. Pardon me. he was granted parole in 2015 fucking canadians man well well but the dumbass couldn't stay out of trouble yeah and he was he was not supposed to be around drinking establishments and all this kind of stuff i remember reading this yes we're supposed to have recorded this back in march and we yeah we this was weird because when he was showing me the forensic i'm like i'm the glasses this was on that back in march and we skipped over it and i remember and

he was and he he fucked up and he was around people he should yeah yeah he no go okay he fucked up so yeah so he fucked up in a 1992 psychological assessment he identified three areas for brown including significant difficulty controlling his his impulse difficulties controlling anger and that he had led a lifestyle of interpersonal intrusiveness that is so polite to say he's a psycho likes to hurt people right so anyway they gave him parole and they said that with they but during the

parole they said we we fear you have a risk of reoffending yeah yep that's called recidivism oh look at you with your 50 cent word you're prone to you know what kevin you haven't used a two dollar word in a while i'm using one right now it's called recidivism and that is the tendency to reoffend. Okay, so... That's not you at a cocktail party selling somebody you don't like their dress. Well, that's not offensive. That's like fact or truth or something like that.

If I was smarter, that could have been worded so much more. Well, you know, it's late. It's late. Like I said, he was given parole and it was suspended after he got into fights with three males regarding a young woman in an incident that followed up days later when he physically restrained the woman during an argument. Yeah, I remember reading that. He couldn't even, like, we're letting you out of prison for murder.

Try not to fight or hurt anybody. And he was in there for 20 plus years, and he's still going to risk it. I want to say, I cannot verify this because, you know, this was, it's late, and I didn't really put as much effort into this one as I should have. But I want to say, I thought he died. Oh, really? But I could be wrong. I could be wrong. I could be wrong. He would still be comparatively young by Canadian standards. I know. I'm so sorry that I'm this, yeah.

Well, I. He did try to get paroled a couple of times beforehand, and they were like, no, no. Well, while we're on the subject, what is the name of the Barbie thing right here? Does any of our listeners, Pat Jack's got a Barbie, what is it? It's a Barbie Grand Hotel. A Barbie Grand Hotel. Almost all of it works. It's in really good shape. Oh, no, no, no, no. It works. It's got the little power thing, and it's got the little telephone,

and all that shit works. The problem is, is that it's really big. So like shipping it would cost a fortune. It's by three feet. It's like two and a half feet by two and a half feet. Yeah, something like that. And it's about 10 inches wide. Now, just to clarify, I just want to clarify for the court. And I've said this before and I know I have, but I'm going to tell it again because I always feel really bad when someone starts talking about this.

Why does this grown man go, Ruby does. do you remember 20 years ago or so when there started to be the trend of taking pictures of barbie dolls in situation and putting snarky comments with them yeah i wanted to do that yeah and of course as per my normal that was early social media stuff well yeah making fun of making fun of barbies like a time it wasn't necessarily making fun of barbies it was i could pose them however i wanted and do whatever we talked about the

karen carpenter movie where They use Barbie tiles as they slowly deteriorate and they like hack them away as, as Karen's not doing well. Exactly. That was a precursor to this. Exactly. So the problem with me is whenever I start a new endeavor, I, the first thing I do is buy all the shit. Right. So I had a nice camera. I had tripods. I even had sets. I even had like, like background things. I had all the shit to make these little tableaus to take these pictures.

And now, of course, I'm trying to get rid of everything. And it's just like. That thing's like $200, $300 online. And it's sitting here. So the little lady, the lady across the street with the little girl who took a bunch of Barbies out of the yard when I put them out there for free. And we took it up and showed it to her. She's like, well, it's a little big. I don't know. But if you can't sell it, I'll take it.

If you can't sell it, I'll take it. So it's kind of funny. It's just because it's really funny being down here now. And there's no Viking helmet on top of the glass display case.

There's no mound of no there's no mound of it's amazing you can see the carpeting you can see the bookcase against the wall you can see what's me go i go what he goes what's me that's my star trek enterprise place that's great it's really great but you've really you've you've shoveled half of this stuff out into the world so good for you and i and i think our i think this week's um villain would love to be, James Brown would love to be staying in the Barbie Grand Hotel.

That's really funny. Thanks, everybody. Thank you, everybody. Music.