Remembering Kobe, Super Bowl preview, and song lyrics with Travis

Joe Madrid Audio, It's okay, extraordinary something. No, it's work. The audio has been it's been great. Um, so let's get into it, you know, not to I mean, I mean we have to talk about it. Unbelievable news um on Sunday, Um, Kobe Bryant passing away and a helicopter crash. I mean this this is one of those where, um, it's like I can't think of try to think of a bigger in terms of the NBA, like a a former player other than Michael Jordan's, Like this is as

big as it gets. And and and so many people were um affected. You know, we all watched Kobe, we all the guy was universally loved. Um, just an unbelievably tragic thing that happened. You know, Joe's a big Laker fans, so obviously it hits a little a little closer to home for you. Um, just weird, Like the whole thing is just kind of surreal, it is. I was thinking about it today, and I've had some some of the

some great moments watching Kobe. I remember watching like when in the finals, I mean when you and I first met, we were watching Kobe. You know, watching Kobe, and I know you joke around about it all the time, but like do you face you thought you were and you thought you were Kobe. And but but I think that some of those some of the celebrations that I've had throughout my early twenties, and just that's the power. That's the power, and we were That's the power of sports, right.

And Look, the bottom line is is that we're not Kobe Bryant passing or whoever the other other whether it's a celebrity or an athlete somebody that we looked up to and we were a fan of passing. It doesn't affect our everyday life, right, It doesn't like I'm gonna wake up tomorrow. I'm gonna do what I was supposed to do, regardless of whether Kobe is here or not.

But like what you said, Joe, we we kind of we think about that person and what that person means to us because of the experiences that we've had watching that person being a part of you know, whether it's whether it's an actor that we like in that movie or like you said, two thousands and finals are watching him score eighty one points. We it's all part of our experience and that's what you know, we kind of miss right, and that's what makes it so tragic. And

obviously you know the people that that should be. You know, it's horrible his family, he is, he loses, you know, not just Kobe, his daughter. There were there were but nine people on that on that helicopter that that their families are now changed forever. But it's one of those deals where again it doesn't impact our everyday life. But what it does, at least in my opinion, it's it's kind of when somebody liked that passes that is universally known.

It it kind of brings us all together and it's a reality check and you'll see it you'll see it on social media with what what is the message? Life is short? Life, Life is short. Anything It could happen to any one of us at any time, and it's that reality check where we get caught up so much in our everyday lives and doing and we forget to you know it's a cliche, but you know, we forget

to smell the roses. We forget to like take time to to appreciate the things that we have and our our loved ones and and the people that we that we interact with. And that's what I think, Like something like this it kind of just takes us to that back to center, that that kind of ground floor, and that's you know, that's what I take from it. And it's it's sad. It's just really sad and terrible, man, you know, and being a father of a daughter, it hits you in another way you know as well. Well.

Multiple times throughout the day, I just like I thought about his his family and his his daughter and my daughter, and I just would would tear up. It just it

just hits you. And and I'm sure it was the same with you, Dean, with with your sons, and like it's so fragile and it is and that's and like not to and and I'm like being serious, and it made like I think it's a time for us to all like I appreciate you guys, API and and you know, and just and and it's interesting thinking about the it tends to be like these these like small aircraft, right, these small You look at some of the the athletes

are famous people that have passed in in in aviation disasters, and and this is just another another person, another celebrity, another athlete, and that in that list, like the one I remember Roy Holliday, remember Holiday passed away into in in sen I was in New York when Corey Little in two thousand six hit personally, yeah, I mean we grew up in the same town and and he you know, small small aircraft and it hit an apartment building in Manhattan,

and obviously having been lived in New York during nine eleven, when that happens people, it definitely brought back some some crazy, crazy memories. You know, you think about Payne Stewart Um who passed away even and I went back and looking at a list and and something that I really had forgotten about the the US amateur boxing team in nineteen eighty fourteen. Members of the team were among eight seven killed in a commercial airline of crash and in Poland.

Thurman Munson. Sure Yankee fans remember Thurman Munson. Um, I remember, you know, I never got a chance to watch him play. I was. I was one year old when he passed. But Roberto Clementi, you know, Roberto Clementi was was Hall of Famer, an unbelievable player, was traveling from from Puerto Rico to Nicaragua to assist um, you know, victims of an earthquake in that in that area, and and passed away in a small a small aircraft crash. Uh. It's

just pretty crazy. The list goes on and on. The mark the Marshall football team, you know, the one that I didn't even realize. Rocky Marciano died in a plane crash. Rocky Marsiano, Yeah, nineteen sixty nine, died in a plane plane crash in in in Iowa. And then I mean

the list of and then non athletes. You think about Richie, Richie Vallence, Buddy Holly, Um, you know there was Leonard Skinner was members of Leonyard Skinner in the seventies, you remember John John F. Kennedy Jr. And and and Caroline Bissett um Aaliyah Aliyah died in a plane crash. I mean, there's so many it's it's scary. It's really scary. And um, it's just again life is fragile and uh, you know it's just one of those deals. But um kind of

to kind of shift gears. And I know, like, just I feel like we need I don't want to get too down right now. I feel like we need a little like you know who would bring us up right now? Is Ray Mendez. I want like, if Ray Mendez is here, Raymondez wouldn't let us sink too deep into the into the pity pool right now. Ray would be like, listen, look at me. You think I'm you think I'm I'm pitying myself. I just I just I just did an iron man. Okay, So let's go. Kobe would want us

to move forward. Okay, so let's do it. We are gonna get raymendous um one more thing, and just I don't we My brother has been on the show. So here's to put it all, to put a ball on it. Okay, here's my brother's take. Okay, Celtics Pelicans. Both teams started the game, opening up with violation in memory of Kobe. Okay, so sad what happened, but basically a minute gone from the game that affects the over under like that was

his text. So, okay, if you're going to honor, you're any anyone like that, don't let it impact the betting line. It's basically what he's saying. I think that's my brother, everyone. I think they should have canceled the games come born from the same womb. We've come from the same the same kind, and that's that's mother and father, raised in the same house. We pretty much had the same childhood. He obviously had the over on that game. He clearly um.

There was another story I heard on my my drive over here was the Mavericks are going to retire number twenty four, and I would guess the NBA will do it. Yeah, I think that'll be a that'll be kind of a

wide thing. You know. You think about numbers that have been retired across the league and like like a Jackie Robinson and things like that, and they they wear forty two and on certain so maybe this is I could see the NBA doing something like a every January twenty every every January, everybody would wear twenty four, you know, something like that. I think it's a little bit how do you do that? It's hard basketball baseball is a little bit different. But do something. I'm sure it's this.

This is a guy you know even and here's like the we talked about the just the the level of people that he that he touched, Like, my mom was heartbroken because, you know, Kobe spent part of his childhood and in Italy, his dad played internationally, he spoke fluent Italian. Um my mom has watched him do interviews in Italian. My mom coming from Italy, you know, came here when she was seventeen, so she was just a huge Kobe

Bryant fan. She she was broken up about it. It's just one of those things where again it doesn't impact our daily life, but it impacts us in such a way when somebody like that passes, because again, we all have shared we've we've shared experiences with with him. You know, we we don't know him, we haven't met him, but we've shared experiences. And isn't it crazy It's a day

after Lebron passes passed up. Yeah, it's it's crazy, it's it's I got a text from from a friend of mine and it wasn't it hadn't hit any social media, and I was like, there's no way this is true. Well that the thing about that, well Travis brought this up, talk about the fact that and this this goes to so TMZ breaks this story. Okay, and they break the story. And when TMZ breaks the story, it's like we we

didn't know if it was true or not. This isn't like CNN, not that TMC has become um has become their go to they are breaking stories in sports, Okay, but it was like TMZ broke it, and your your immediate thought is is this real? This is this not true? Whereas if it were you know, the l A, Times or CNN or whatever, Fox Fox, if if it were, then it would have been more like accepted. If they hadn't already they've submitted themselves as a news breaker in

this business. And well, I tell you they're always right. My experience with the NFL, you know, with the with Ray Rice, I mean, do you think the league that caused so much, so much consternation within the league office when TMZ released the video ray Rice in the in the elevator um. That was like NFL security, they were trying to get this this tape and TMC ends up with it and it and that created a lot of issue for the NFL when it came to, you know,

with the domestic the domestic violence and everything else. He had been suspended for two games, the video comes out, Now two games, what is that? It's so it's unbelievable where they've come um with breaking these stories. And obviously I have personal experience with TMZ sports not not the point you were trying to make what you were bringing up was TMZ broke the story before the Sheriff's department

was able to alert the next man. And that's that's the hard part about And look, this is the this is the environment and the and the world that we are in today, and that with social media and all these things, you're like, somebody in the family of any any anyone involved in that crash is going to see this and they don't know if it's real, and that has to be I don't That might even be worse than than knowing, because family members are gonna be like,

I don't believe that I don't. I'm not sure. It's like then you have this kind of like hanging over your head, like, oh my god, I just want to know is it true? And uh yeah, it's so hard, it's it's I don't know. I mean, I get it, like they're trying to break stories, but you everyone wants to get it out there first. They want to be the first to break the news. Yeah. And and this is this will be one that everybody remembers, you know, everybody remembers, you know, what they were doing and where

they were. Um and and it's sad. It's sad I might have and and he's this I've you know, my nine year old who never never watched Kobe Kobe play, and he was upset and asking about it. You know. So it's it's just one of those deals. Um. So

one story I have with Kobe. My wife and I spending um Valentine's Day at Catalina Island and we walk past Kobe and his wife on Valentine's Day from me to you eight feet away, Dean, and Kobe's right there, and I kind of hit my wife and like Caitlin, Caitlin, and I was like, there's Kobe right there, and she just like wide mouth, looked at him and like just froze and like watched him walk by, and some other people that like, Yeah, that's Kobe right there, guys, and

that's um and that's nice. Travis, I didn't really add anything to the conversation. He didn't. You didn't talk to him, you didn't say anything. I know, because it being a being a member of the media working in the sports world, I always just like, you know, I let people do their amber of the media worrying in the sports world. I wrote elbows. I wrote elbows with these with these guys like theirs. I just like, I don't like to stop suppers either, but I think Kobe I probably would have.

There's this thing was my wife was, we're gonna do that. We're gonna we're gonna talk about that after the break. We're gonna talk about the level of celebrity where it's, oh, where it's legal to stop them, Okay, that that we're gonna do that rule and we're gonna break that down in the in the after the break, let's let's shift gears.

Let's talk super Bowl. Obviously, super Bowl fifty four on Fox coming up February second, and the Super Bowl crew was was released, and I just want to talk a little bit about the we talked about it last week and how um, you know, historic because of the makeup of the crew and having five African American officials on the crew and again and this and this goes toward

the really the NFL. And look, the NFL is getting a lot of heat right now because another coaching hiring cycle without without you know, an African American head coach being hired. You did have Ron rivera UM, who's who's of Puerto Rican and Mexican descent. UM. But look, when you have a when you have a a player pool, that is what African American. And you have very few African Americans in positions of leadership, whether it's head coach,

general manager, UM. That's an issue. And and so the league is taken is taking some heat in terms of UM. The you have the Rooney Rule, which a lot of people feel is just a rubber stamp that you know, you have to interview a candidate. I'm an already candidate, and I think a lot of the I know a lot of the minority UM assistant coaches that go through that process. They feel like in in some instances that it's just checking a box and it's not it's not genuine um. But this I think was it was nice

to see. And you know, and I've been in those meetings and I've put that crew together for the Super Bowl and you're always looking at a look. You want to put the best officials and you want it to be the best possible crew. But but inclusion and diversity is certainly a consideration and it was nice to see that.

But you look at the makeup of the crew. And Bill Vinovich is the referee, and we'll get to him a little bit later because Vinovich worked a certain game that that a lot of people, especially in New Orleans, remember um Vinovitch working his second Super Bowl. He worked, uh, he worked a game that Joe remembers fondly, Super Bowl forty nine. I believe it was in Glendale, Seattle, New England, where uh, Joe watched an amazing finish then got the party with the Patriots because he got on the wrong

bus after the game. Got on the wrong bus after the game, so instead of coming to the post dinner officiating dinner, which was lovely, which was lovely by the way, he got on the wrong bus and ended up back at the Patriots Hotel and ended up being ushered into the party and was doing shots with Gronk and partying with you know, Robert Craft and Tom Brady and Jon Jones. John Jones. So, and while we that the sculpture was beautiful, ice sculpture was amazing. The the prime the prime rib

was to die for. It was delectable. It was it was very it was it was just classy. We all had a nice time. We talked about the game. Um, the drinks were certainly I wouldn't say flowing, but they were. They were there, and uh, but Joe was partying. So so I hold on a second, just to clear my name. I did send you a tech saying yes Patriots after party, I'll come. I'm on my way and with friends. I said, no, stay there, stay there, and I would have left because

to show my gratitude for the great week. He was also stay there. I can't even get at that party. Stay the problem. Yes, all right, I'm saying, okay. So then you've got Barry Anderson at umpire. This is Barry's first Super Bowl assignment. Ken Payne as the down judge. This is Ken's third Super Bowl assignment. Carl Johnson line judge, former Vice president Officiating, this is his second Super Bowl asignment.

Michael Banks field judge second, Boars Cheek side judge third, Greg Steed back judge second, and then Mike Chases the replay official first Super Bowl assignment. So really a good crew. You know what that process look like. You put the crew together this week for the officials will look like Wednesday, they'll get into Miami, um, they will they a lot

of them will have their families there. This is an opportunity in the officiating world when you get a game like this, it's an opportunity to give back to your family. And it's because just like players, just like coaches, officials, they they sacrifice a lot and they their their way, you know, weekends, Thursday nights, Monday nights. There in the off season, they're traveling and they sacrifice a lot of

time away from their families. So the Super Bowl is always a time when they bring their families and the families get to to spend time and to celebrate. It's it's the officials are there to work a game, but it's to celebrate their families. Thursday, they will have a dinner, an officiating dinner with all the crew and their families, and it's such a that's a that's my one of

my favorite events of the year. And everybody gets a chance, every official gets a chance to come up, introduce his families, say you know whatever it is. Um. I used to speak at that dinner and uh. And it was always a thrill for me to see the families and and and how much they were they were enjoying it. Um. Friday, they'll do a walk through at the stadium and they walk through. You will not believe when you watch the coin toss on Sunday night, how much the coin toss

has been practiced. And Friday, Yes, so they will do I'll walk throughout the stadium. How they they go through. I remember, I remember the Super Bowl where George Bush was um W was going to um no, not W. It was Hed. It was George. He was gonna flip the coin and Carl Tcheffers was the referee, and he the whole thing, like literally, he was more worried about He was more worried about the coin toss than the game.

He was and I was like, you're gonna you're gonna stress me out because you're worried about the coin toss. And he was like he was arguing because what we told him and what everybody we talked to said, you call him Mr President. And he's like, but he's not the president anymore. And I was like, I don't care call him Mr President. Okay, let's just get this thing over. You always call former presidents mr president. He was Mr.

President and so it was like this big thing. And he finally got through the coin toss and I was like, Okay, we're gonna have a good game. But he that was the That was the Houston game, That was Atlanta, New England. When New England came back, that was game. So they will they will go through the coin toss, the national anthem, they'll practice all of that. Then the officials will have they'll have a dinner on their own with the with

the officials union that that sponsors that dinner. They'll spend time with their families. They'll have a pregame meeting Friday. UM at some point Saturday, they'll they'll spend majority of the day breaking down film, looking at looking at um. You know, two teams try ends tendencies all of that. Someday they get up, they get to the stadium. It's the longest day ever. It's so long, and and they're on the East Coast. It's gonna be in Miami. So the game kicks off at what six you're at You're

at the stadium like two o'clock, like one thirty. And by the time you want to pull your hair out, like it is, it is so long, and there's not a ton to do because normally officials get to the game three hours before they're getting there like four and a half five hours, so you've got an extra two hours that you know is not normal. And you know that's why you like that. You like when it's on the West Coast because the game is it starts earlier to earlier in the day, so um, they'll get there,

but then kick off. There's a lot of hype, but it's just another game. What I do want to talk about before we go to break is that Vinovich, Um he worked what game? What? What? What? What game was? Bill Vina? It's the referee form that we've we've we had a rule change because of that. Damn games Ram Saints, okay, and so there are a lot of people saying how could he get the Super Bowl after officiating that game? Well, Bill Vinage is one of the best referees in the NFL.

He really What I find interesting is at the referee position, he wasn't involved in that call. It's not his call, he's not involved. Um. The two officials that were involved in that call, Patrick Turner who was the down judge, and Gary Cavalletto, who's the side judge. Neither of those officials got a playoff assignment this year. I was gonna Cavalletto got an alternate assignment, but neither one got a playoff assignment. Coincidence, I don't think. I don't think so. So. Um,

it's just one of those deals. That's a play that sticks with you. I think, you know, quite frankly, I would have done the same thing because if you gave one of those two officials a playoff assignment, and god forbid, something happened and they were involved, it would be a pr nightmare, right, which they probably wouldn't have had because there's time to time blow us. But no, but that's the thing, and those are things that you have to take into consideration, Like in it sucks, but we're gonna

have to mark this explicit because I said sucks. I think I mark them all explicit. It sucks. But you you have to make those types of decisions because we no longer it's no longer you can't. You can't make these decisions in a vacuum. You have to consider all factors. And if one of those officials was involved in something controversial this playoffs, then people would point to that game and say, how could you have that official in the game, and and that's that's just part of it. So um,

with that said, let's go to break. When we come back, I want to talk a little pro ball. We're gonna talk a little m m A and uh and then we're gonna do a life rule breakdown next on good calls, Costeine Blandino, come and net you with the rules. Don't

step back because he'll hit you like a fool. Don't tweet him because he hits you back to let you back with essay, come back, welcome back, two good calls something you know that that is when we first when we first started our theme music, Travis otherwise known as the the The the Bootleg eminem Um, decided to wrap that was just off the top of his head like that was freestyle. It was actually pretty good, Travis freestyle. I've been waiting twenty one weeks to do that. It's unbelievable.

I mean, I would have died you. You really, you missed out, missed your calling. You should have been eminem befoming. M Um. All right, let's let's talk Pro Bowl. So look, the Pro Bowl is. Have you when's the last time you got excited about a Pro Bowl? I was probably twelve or thirteen. I think, yeah, I can, I can like and I work the NFL for a long time, and look, the Pro Bowl, the Pro Bowl has been something that the NFL. It's interesting because it was for

many years. It was in Hawaii. It was seen as a reward. It was after the Super Bowl. It was seen as a reward after a long season. Um of these guys putting their bodies on the line. That you were honored by your by your peers, and you went to the Pro Bowl. You went to a beautiful location and the game was kind of an afterthought, but it was just a reward and you got to take your family.

But what I noticed when I went to Hawaii for the Pro Bowl, and it's beautiful, and the and the players would stay at this kind of resort that was kind of out of the way, um and you know everything, the the officials and everybody else would stay in y Ki ki and it's a great environment and the fans love it. But it became like less and less of of like a thing like to play. The younger players

don't want to go to Hawaii. Like younger players. When we when we met with the p A and they talked about the Pro Bowl, where do you think that Where do you think the younger players wanted to play the Pro Bowl? Vegas? Vegas? Okay, not not fifteen years ago? It's coming? Where where? Where? Where's the draft this year? Vegas? Five years ago if would have told you the Draft is gonna be in Vegas, you would have been like, no way. So so that potential is coming, but the

Pro Bowl has become Look, it's a different sport. It's it's not it's tackle football. It's not a baseball all star game where the potential for injury is not as as you know, it's not as great as what a football game is. So these guys are gonna play all out. You're not gonna you see guys that lose their you know, Luke make get injured in the Pro Bowl. That just doesn't I mean, who was the running back that played Robert Edwards, he played for New England. He ended his

career not even in the Pro Bowl game. It was it was the Beach. It was in the Beach Game and he and he almost lost his leg. It's it's scary. And you look at guys that have gotten injured in the Pro Bowl and misstime. So the Pro Bowl, so what does the league do? They try to capitalize on the week between the Super Bowl and the championship games. UM, because from a ratings perspective, people are still in the mode of football. So they moved it to that week.

They moved it to Orlando. So now it's it's not a as as far of a trip. I what the Pro Bowl has become is now what they're doing this year, And they did it Sunday. They tested UM two rules right, and so the first rule was what Denver proposed last offseason, which is the fourth and fifteen in lieu of the onside kicks. So if you're gonna go on side rather than UM go on side. Because a couple of things on side kicks are there's a higher rate of injury

and the success rate has gone down. The success rate has gone down, and so they want to go to a fourth and fifteen from the UM. I don't know, I don't love it. I don't know what you guys think. I just think, look, even if the onside kick is a and I know we talked about it on the show, it was I think I don't have the final numbers, but I think there were you know, maybe eight or nine successful onside kicks UM planned on side kicks this year, and the percentage, you know, was it was pretty low

early in the season, less than four percent. It went up Historically it's been around thirteen. I think just the just the idea that the onside kick is there and the potential to be recovered and and to be successful keeps the game interesting and it and and it's not you know, I just fourth and fifteen from the from it's not necessarily a safer play. You still have to get hurt. And it just feels like I don't just doesn't feel like it doesn't feel like football to me.

To me, it just seems gimmicky, you know, like it's cool because it adds excitement and to the end of the game. But but it's like if you're what, what good is it if you have a twenty one point lead. You've worked your entired the entire game to build this lead, and now all of a sudden, I can lose this lead in a in a fraction of a couple of seconds because because they put in this gimmick rule. And then you think about you think about just the complexity

of it too, like what about fouls? What about you know? Now you there, you get a pass, an inference, and now it's a first town or a hold or an illegal contact and it's automatic first town, you know, offside, and then you gotta you're gonna you're gonna replay that down. If they don't make it, you're extending you're extending the game. I just again, I get it. I get why Denver is proposing this, and I know John Elway is a big proponent of this, and and and I have a

lot of respect for John. I know John very well, and and he's on the competition. Can many I just don't think they support is there for this right now? We'll see the other rule, which we've been through this is they were going to not call false starts on flex receivers, So a wide out that flinches, they're gonna be leaning on that. And I get the reason why they You don't want a lot of pre snap fouls. You don't want a lot of those because there's no action.

They delay the game, they increase the downtime. But to me, look, just hold your water. Don't false start if you fall, because now you're gonna relax on a receiver who flinches, and now the defense jumps, and you're gonna have to call it. You know, are you calling it on the receiver if the defense jumps, If the defense doesn't jump, you don't call it. There's it's very hard to be consistent. We've done this before and what we learned was it doesn't work. It just in my opinion, it doesn't work.

A false start is a false start, and you can't you can't kind of devalue the fact that the offense moved, and that can that can create an advantage, it can create a disadvantage. Um there's a lot of things that can happen there, and I think that it's it would be a mistake to go forward with that in the

in the regular season thoughts on that. No, nothing, you guys are just you guys, just I agree like you you definitely you definitely see to where it would would be a disadvantage to the defensive back who who sees the guy and then he's waiting for the call, but the call doesn't come and now he's looking at at the at the official. The guy goes past him and beats him for a touchdown. It's like the indoor football lead or whatever they go these ridiculous running starts. The

Canadian football that is that that would be Canada. It's the it's the country that is north of the United States, whatever neighbors to the north, which the Yeah, they get that huge running stuff. Lovely people. I love Canadians. I've been You've never in Canada. I haven't want to go to Montreal, Montreal, Vancouver's great Edmonton' is awesome, beautiful when it egg Brandon Manito Um Travis knows way too much about Canada. But drinking age was eighteen and nineteen when

I was in college in North Dakota. Swee drive not the code of things, all right. So that's the Pro Bowl. Let's talk um a little UFC. You know, McGregor and Cowboy. What what do we think about that? I I have my I want to hear your guys take on that first, because I have my thoughts I have. I think I think it was fixed. I'm just gonna get I think that. I don't think it was fixed, but I do think it was as fixed a fight could be before the

fight started. He was the perfect opponent. The reality is is that the UFC they need they need Connor to be relevant, not not they need Connor to be relevant. Okay, they don't need him necessarily to to go tennano in his next ten fights, but they need him to be relevant. And if he have lost that fight, his next fight he's no longer. That means his last win was against Eddie Alvarez in two thousand what six team or whatever that was, he's going back away. So he has to

be relevant. And I think Cowboy was the perfect opponent because he's he's a name, he's been one of the most successful fighters, one of the most exciting fighters. But it's like it's like a you know, a boxer when their button has been pushed too many times. His chin is gone, Like his chin is gone. He was going to go in with the mindset of when when. If I'm fighting Connor McGregor and I have any kind of a ground game, I'm gonna take him down, right, I'm

gonna could be. He showed like, I'll eventually get him to the ground and then he's in my world and he's a fish out of water. But Connor has got a better ground game the moment does He does have a better ground game than most people think. But with what Connor, you have to survive the first onsl You have to survive that first minute and a half two minute onslaught. And if you can survive that, then now it starts to tip in your in your favor. And

you've seen it. You've seen it against Nick Nate Diaz, you've seen it obviously colbibe those longer fights, and so you survive that, and he is he's not that, he's not the same. But Cowboy was gonna go in and he was gonna stand. The thing that bothered me was, I don't know the shoulders, but the shoulder strike, Like, I get it, it's unexpected, but you know, I saw two I saw two different takes on it on the

shoulder strikes. I I read Um. I saw Michael Bisping talk about it and he said, it's just an annoyance. He said, the shoulder strike is not It's like it's like a footstop. It's like stop what what stopped doing that? And then I saw Um ChIL Son and talk about the fact that he didn't expect it and it was one of those like when you don't expect it, that can that can take you. And Chail said pointed out that Connor has like a bone that protrudes out of

his shoulders. Yeah, is collar bone or whatever it is the classical I just it just didn't like it was it was. It was predetermined without being fixed that Connor was gonna win that fight. They just had the deck was stacked and because they needed to be relevant. And now it opens up all the possibilities. What what do you want to do? You want to do? And I love I mean I love na Das Nadaz was we as after the fight, he tweeted it out, I love

Nate ds. Um. So you know, could you have a third fight fight with Nate do you know, Masvidor, which I think would be a mistake. Um, you know, you could have a rematch, which could be which I think will end the same way. But it just opens up all those doors. And that's why I think it was fixed. There's so much motive for that, for for Connor to win that fight. And and also the way I mean, we've seen cowboy looking. He's good, he's a great fighter, and the way he lost that fight to me is

just like the resisting hand was coming in. It's I don't think it was fixed. I don't think he took a dive. I just think it was. It was that was the opponent. It was the perfect opponent for him to come back have an impressive win over a guy like that, and now again the opportunities because he's the cash cow for the for the UFC. I agree with you on that, watching it not being like a huge UFC M M A guy like I thought it was. I thought it was a cool fight. Like I didn't

think for a second that was fixed. I've never even thought about it until you guys mentioned it now. So as as kind of an outsider to to watch, how many have you seen before that one? I don't think I've watched, so I don't know that. And Travis, if I if I grab you and hit you with my shoulder. How many times do you want to hit you with my shoulder before you move your head? Yeah, I'm not sure, I probably want he is. I think he's done. I

think he is. You look at his past. You know, I don't know what the record was, but he's lost. He lost like something, you know, four out of his last five fights, whatever it is, he's been stopped in in in a couple of those. I think he's just it's time. You know, this guy has been through wars.

This guy has been through wars. He kind of you know when you think about you think about a boxing equivalent, and I think about somebody like Arturo Gatti, you know, and you think about the wars that he has been, like Mickey Ward and those types of fights, and you just you can't. You can't do it. You know. If he had some of the nastiest knockouts too, man, he was. He's a great fighter, and he says he's still going. So yeah, I just hope it doesn't turn out because

I I don't know. Yeah, I Chuck seeing Chuck against Tito and that like he and and I get it, and meanwhile, that's a guy. Chuck Liddell's story you know, Chuck and Jake Glazer are close. I got to hang out with through Ja and got to know him, you know a little bit, and we went out. We went out one night in New York, me and Chuck and Jay and he's a Dodger fan, Chuck and I'm a

Dodger fan. And it was the night that the Dodgers hit back to back to back to back home runs to win a game, okay, And it happened to be on at the bar we were at, and he punched me every time they hit a home run in the arm. And the first, the first one, he was the first one was like, they're they're coming back, and he punched me and it wasn't um. It was like, you know, the first one, and then the second one it was

a little bit harder. And then they pit back to back to back home runs and the third one was like okay, how like that? No? That like really? And then they had another one and I was like I had to like get ready, like get in the position, and he p and I was like, you Dode stopped, like you knock people out. You're punching me in the arm. I'm not gonna be able to move tomorrow because you're an ass and but yeah, surprised Glazer wasn't hitting you

on the other arm. Was the night we met Mickey Rourke And we met Mickey Rourke and I was sitting in a in a nightclub at three am with Chuck Ladell doing cartwheels on the dance floor, eating grilled cheese chance grilled cheese sandwiches, drinking mohitos with Mickey Rourke, Jay Glazer, and like three other random people I don't know who. They were so amazing. You can hear all about it.

It sounds like Charlie Murphy. Yeah, exactly. Um, but let's talk about let's do a little life rule breakdown and so, Joe, you wanted to talk about like celebrity like celebrity sightings and how do you what are the rules are and what? Because you were on a plane the other day, I was on I was on a plane and this was

the question. I said, Hey, I'm sitting I'm sitting next to a I didn't say former player, but I said a guy who who's played for both I'm flying from Houston to l A and I'm sitting on the plane next to a guy that played for both the Rockets and the Lakers. Can you guess who it is? And and uh Scott who who works with us in the studios? He gets Trevor Reason, which is a good guest, but I said, not, it's a it's not a current player, it's a former player. And and then Joe guests big

shot Rob So who's a legend. I mean, this is about that's one. He won championships with the Rockets and the Lakers. And but I didn't feel compelled to. I have a very high tolerance and so I'm not like Travis and um you know in media and whatever. But but I have a very high tolerance for for celebrities. And there's a very small list of celebrities that I would actually approach. Robert orri Well, I was a big fan, didn't. I didn't say anything to him. He's not that level.

It's like Kobe to me, I didn't. I didn't say anthing that his Kobe, because your levels higher than my level. But at what level? At how many people? Let's come up, Joe, you have three people, that's it. You have three that if you see, you would go up to if though, if if you all you could have is three and I say, Joe, you're gonna meet these three people who are your three? Wow? A lot of pressure. That's um, well, I could tell you that when I was the super

Bowl party. Then let me give you. Okay, well, let me give you. Let me give you a name, and you tell me yes or no, and then and then you can go into So if Christiano Ronaldo, I wouldn't even know who he was. Okay, So so that's you're not you know, he's got the most Instagram followers of anyone. I wouldn't say anything way, but okay, most famous I'm not a socer. Most famous athlete in Michael Jordan's. Yeah,

I think Michael Jordan's one. I think I would have. Okay, so we would all agree, and I and I would agree that Mike Jordan's would be definitely want. That's probably why he doesn't go out in public anywhere. I think Tom Brady's probably up there. Joe Rogan for me, I think I love Joe Rogan man, He's like the Oprah for dudes. I would I would. I would approach Joe Rogan because I feel like Joe Rogan and I have a lot in common, so we both don't stand up.

We both host very successful and we've both been on TV. Yeah, and we both like m M A. So I feel like me and Joe Rogan are are kind of you know, mine are differ Rogers. Yeah, mine are different. Like that whole Super Bowl week I was there. We saw every football player. I didn't say anything in any of them. Saw John Jones, Like I gotta say, did I gotta say something to John Jones. When I used to live in Malibu, we'd see actors all the time, didn't care. I saw Hicks and Gracie as sushi one time and

about like, oh my god, that's Hicks and Gracie. So I'm just I don't know who if you could pick three three like off the top of your head, who are the three that did you? Um? You know would have been Kobe for sure. Um, probably d C Man. I'm a big, big Daniel Cormier fan. Yeah. I think we could good could introduce you to him at the studio.

I think he's just a good Yeah. Okay for me, I gotta put some of the models that I loved as a kid, like Sidney Crawford in in Cathy Ireland, Like, but how do you do you even have to say to this. But like for me, it's like I have to have like a line if I can think of a line instantly, like I've I've met certain coaches and celebrities and things like there. There's if you have a line that you're like, Okay, I got a good one

night with story. You told me a story. Who was it you had like a line you said something as somebody like corny line. Yeah, it was like Chuck. It was Chuck Pogano, I think. And he had coached the university ye and we went to school there and and he went through all the leukemia stuff. And I went to him and I said, you know, your your story really impactful. It really has touched me. I you know, I all the stuff you went through with your leukemia, but all of it you were able to live through.

But you went through with the University of Wyoming and you played for the football or something like that. It was, it was it was much better delivered. Started he started laughing right away and said he's like, oh man, you must be from my own special needs kid that is coming up to me right now, Like what you actually I have my third one? Yeah, I don't I want to be there when when Joe meets Elon Musk, because

that conversation is going to be like, oh my god. Um, I'm trying to think of mine like I would certainly if Michael Jordan's I would say, he I Marvin Hagler would be one for me. I would love to meet Marvin Hagler. He was That's a guy that I, you know, have love for for forever. Um. I'm kind of like weird in that I want to meet George R. Martin, you know the Game of Thrones, like right, because I have so many questions for him because I've read the books and like, I'm kind of a geek when it

comes to that stuff. And so I was like, I don't want to talk about the show. I don't want to talk about the show. I want to talk about the books. When you're gonna finish the next book, was waiting since two for the next book, and just so many questions. Um, So I would definitely say something to him. And then I think I'm madly in love with Emma Uitt. She's a singer. She's from Australia, and she's not like she she did rock now she's like does like more.

Um Electronic trance and I love her and I just have this fantasy that I meet her on a plane and we fall madly in love and I had to google her. So everybody else who's listening looking up. All right, So, so what are the actual rules to when you meet a celebrity, Like, what's the approach? I think if they're with their family, if eating dinner, you don't. You don't interrupt them. I don't if they're sitting, If they're sitting somewhere and they feel like they're not doing anything and

you're not interrupting something. I would never approach anyone who's even if they're with somebody else and having dinner, I think that's rude. So they have to be alone rule number one. Alone or like not in the middle of something. Like I just for me, the one rule for me is just don't interrupt their dinner, like don't go up to them in a restaurant like you're trying to have you know. And again, you're a certain level of celebrity, you probably can't even do that. But um oh, the

other person for me, Brad Pitt. I feel like Brad Pitt and I Bredt and I would be boys. No, Brad Pitt and I would be boys. Brad, if you're listening, and I'm sure it is like we would be would be like I'll be like, oh guys, hey, what No, Brad's BP. What's up dude? Yeah, and now I'm just doing the show. Yeah, coming to good Calls. I told you it's on. Can you can you put I'm doing my fake talk with Brad Pitt? Listen. No, it's good. That's on my heart radio. I told you you didn't

just download it whatever. Yeah, you wanna oh you wanna get Yeah, let's go get some bears. All right? Cool, alright, as we go, we gotta hurry. All right. So there's the Brad Pitt call. I think the rules should be no creepiness with the ladies. Travis, Sorry, budd, Yeah that's fine, that's fine. But but Travis, I could see you being not trying to be creepy, but coming across is extremely creepy.

And that's the thing. I would never approach him, but if I if no, but you'd make it like really awkward, but you'd be would be unintentional like you have you have you're you're like one of the most genuine nicest person like have such a good heart, but you would make it so creepy unintended. Why I would never say anything. I've learned as as I've gotten older, just like not approach or talk to those kind of people like Kobe was with his wife. There's Valentine's Day. I don't want

to mess around like go and talk to him. And yeah, it just I just wouldn't have been right. All right, there's the rules. All right, let's take a break. When we come back, we'll wrap up. We'll do Brandon Blandina. I want to talk about sequels. Watched the movie the other day and I think I think two is better than one. So we're gonna talk about that next on Good Calls. All right, we're back. I'm Good Calls. All right.

So I was watching TV the other day and Waynes World two is on, and I watched a lot of movies, and O Joe doesn't watch movies. When do you have time to watch movies? Well, you know, when I relax at night and I decompressed, I just don't want to watch a movie. And so I really enjoyed Wayne's World two, and I just watched waynes World one, and I like waynes World one, but I think I enjoyed Wayne's World two more than Waynes World one, and I just I wanted to express that and share that with you guys

and get your thoughts. I was a win Wayne's World one fan. I think I like that one better. I haven't seen the second one enough to say that it holds up as much as Joe. Joe I probably hasn't seen either. He's too busy doing whatever the heck he does. I think I've seen Wayne Wayns World once in high school. Maybe okay, he's too cool for school. But I just don't watch movies, so I think for me, Christopher Walking, I think Rob Low's grade and one, I think Christopher

Walking is great. And two. Um, I Kim Basinger's in two. I love Kim Basinger. I think the scenes with her and Garth are hilarious. Um. Waynes World one does have a great scene with Alice Cooper when they go backstage and they talk about Milwaukee and he's like, oh, you come to Milwaukee off him and Alice Cooper gives him like a history lesson. He's like, Wow, the French settlers have comes to the six hundreds, mille Wauke, the good Land and so, but in two, I think there's just

the scene that clinches it for me. Is that near the end when Wayne is trying to stop Cassandra's wedding to getting married to Christopher walking and he stops at this gas station and the gas station attended it's like an older guy, and he's like, where's the first Presbyterian church on Gordon Street? And the guy's like, Gordon Street, I once knew a girl and and on Gordon Street. And Wayne, like Mike Meyers, stops and he's like, really, can we I know this is a small part, but

could we get a better actor? And they and they moved the guy out the way and then Charleston Charleton Heston comes out and like crushes it, like crushes the scene and he's like, oh my god. Um. So I don't know, but I think maybe it's just I like Wayne's World and if I could come buy one and two, they're both good movies. You a Dressed as Wayne's World for Halloween? I did Addressed as Wayne. Thanks, well, it was only a couple of months ago. It's not that great.

Let's uh, let's do some brand of blondina. Let's do a couple of Joe Caucasian rattlesnake. So we were okay, Caucasian rattles Like I was at dinner with I have a nine year old and a four year old. We went to dinner and so we play this game where you you you start with A and then you go around the table and you have to pick an animal that starts with the letter A and you keep going

until you run out. So the person that if you can't guess and A, you lose, and then we go to B. So we were on C and we were running through all the season and Luca, my nine year old, he's like, Caucasian rattlesnake. I was like, not a thing, and he's like, no, it really is. Google it, and but all I can think of is like this rattlesnake that's wearing like this over his neck and he's wearing and he's wearing like docsiders and he's on a yacht.

He hangs out with Travis. All I can picture rattlesnake why like rollers, like rollerblading and like so white like just that's all I can think of, like yachting. When you google Caucasian rattlesnake, white metal snake, I just he said, no, it's a thing, and so that's all. You couldn't come up with cow. No, we probably had gotten letter. We had gone through so many seas, like you go around the you go around the table, you can't get so he we were running out of seas and he said

this Caucasian rattlesnake. And I had this vision in my head, like, you know, like doesn't against universal health care, Like I just said this whole thing. Yeah, it was like, you know, maga, it was just like just this rattlesnake in my head. But anyway, what a good one. I didn't know where you're gonna go with that? All right, do another one. Rick Springfield is kind of a dick. Yeah, no, so Rick Springfield. Now I definitely have to market so Rick Springfield.

Rick Springfield's famous song is what uh the one give? You know? That's Rick Astley. You got Rick rolled? But no, it's Jesse's Girl. Okay, okay, so Jesse's Girl. I was listening to Jesse's Girl and I'm driving and I'm getting angry at Rick Springfield because listen to the lyrics, like he's a dick, Like listen the lyrics. I wish I had Jesse's girl okay, r he's his friend, okay, And he's fantasizing about his friend's girlfriend. And it's not like

their relationship is bad. Like Jesse and the girl like they're in love. Jesse as a friend, yeah, I know, he's been a good friend of mine, but lately something's changed. Yeah. And then God, and that ain't hard to define. Jesse's got it himself a girl, and I want to make her mind keep going, keep going, Travis, go go go, And she's watching him with those eyes. Yeah yeah, and she's loving him with that body. I just say, Travis read lyrics, keep going. And he's holding in her arms

late at night. You know, I wish that girl does that because that sounds like a bad relationship. Does that sound like anything wrong with their relationship? Love? And here he is like wishing that they break up and that he could be with Jesse's girl, Like, I get it. I get it if they're in a bad relationship and he doesn't treat her well, and you're going to be the one that the white saver. But that's not like that's bullshit, is what. There's gotta be rules against dating

your friends X. Yeah, we can talk about that. But still that to me and travel us. We are going to do that every show where you're going to read lyrics song lyrics. That is the funniest shit I've ever heard. Give me, give me another one, Give me another one, another band of another song. Alright, one more. Guy in hoodie riding bike at four in the morning, Okay, tells you something about neighborhood. Not even about the neighborhood. Here's the thing. I saw a guy I was going to

the airport. I forget where I was, but it's not important. The city is not important. The who the guy is, I don't care what what, black white Asian raid doesn't matter. Okay. The guy riding the BMX bike at four am is up to no good? Girln man, BMX pyramid peer period, pyramid perid. I saw this guy four him riding a BMX bike. And what is he doing? He's not dressed in like Peloton gear. No, no, it's a BMX bike. It's how old a grown man. It's stolen? Then right,

he's there. You're doing it. On a second, he could have gotten a text w y D on my way. No, you're up to no good at that time. You could have been on Tinder swiping away. Finally got the level on the bike on the BMX. I have a friend whose boyfriend does not have a car. He rides his bike from Sills Beach. Is it a bike for a long distances and it's not rail sliding and things like it was not? No, you're up to no good. I'm sorry, that's I mean, that's fair. So did you you saw

this man? Yeah, I was going to the airport, forget where it was. I was driving and I saw this guy and I'm just like, he's not going anywhere productive, Like he's not doing anything that is going to help society in any way. That's how That's just that's just how I felt. That's what I deal. So the rule is you can't ride your BMX, Piet, No, you can. It's just your up to shady ship. Remember from No No Different I'm talking about. It's the bike is the

key to remember, remember Ramber, great BMX movie. You know how many scenes are happening for you when we're riding their bikes. Thanks? All right, all right, all right, this has been good calls with Dean Blandino. Please follow me on Twitter at Dean Blandino and Instagram at Dean dopp Blandino, follow the show on Instagram and Twitter at use podcast, and be sure to radar podcast on the I heart Radio app and on Apple Podcasts. Good Calls with Dean

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