NFL Week 2 - Saints Rams Controversy Part Deux and Jay Glazer Interview

great for audio. Great job, Joe. Alright, So let's get to NFL Week two, and I want to talk about we got a lot of tweets, a lot of questions about the end of the Denver Chicago game, and and so I just want to set the table a little bit because there's a sequence of plays that take place. Denver is behind, they score a touchdown, and they're gonna be down by one, okay, and which I love. Vic Fangio says, you know what, first time head coach, I'm going for two. I'm going for the win at home.

Right typically at home, you you tend to go. You know, I'm gonna play for overtime, but no, I'm going for the win. And they line up to go for two from the two yard line and they get a delay of game penalty. Play clock runs out, so that penalty. Now, the way the rule reads is you can have that penalty enforced. The team that's attempting the try gets the option. They can enforce that penalty from the line of scrimmage the two yard line, or the line of scrimmage for

the other try spot, which is the fifteen. So then VIC says, all right, you know what, Now, if I'm gonna move back to the seven, my chances of making making that play diminished greatly. We're gonna kick an extra point, So that five yard penalty is enforced from the fifteen yard line to the twenty. Does that make sense to you guys? So far? Okay? So now Denver lines up from the twenty and they're gonna kick an extra point and they miss it, but the Bears are offside. So again,

the team that's attempting the try gets the option. You can have that penalty enforced from the line of scrimmage or the other try spot. So the line of scrimmage was what the twenty or the other try spot, which would be the two. So the five yard delay of game penalty doesn't carry over multiple tries. So what Denver then did is they said, Okay, now we're going to go from the two yard line to the one yard line and we're going to attempt a two point try,

which of course they got. So that's the rule. The theory behind the rule is, you don't want to allow the defense. Look, an extra point from the fifteen is a pretty accurate play. You know it's accurate, So you don't want to allow the defense to continue to push the envelope, potentially try to block the kick, not get called for offside, and what's the worst that could happen We get we get a five year penalty that we move them up to the tent. They're gonna kick from

the ten. They're gonna make it anyway. So you make that penalty severe to say no, no, no no, that that penalty can be enforced from the two yard line and now the defense is less incentivized to attempt to push the envelope. That's the theory I think. I think this will be discussed as a rules change. It doesn't happen very often, but maybe you do something like, once you make your choice, you're locked in. So you're going for two,

you're locked in. If there's a penalty, you can't go you know, you can't go to the the other try spot. I think that's that's a potential because I don't I think a lot of people didn't like the outcome there. They felt that the five yard penalty should have been enforced, the one against Denver. But the problem is how many times you're gonna carry it over? It becomes a math problem,

gets the the argument. One of the things people argue about is the NFL rules are too complicated, right, so you try to simplify it, but it's never going to be perfectly equitable. So what do you want perfect equity or you want simplicity? And that's that balance. Was that the first time that that's happened. It's the first time it's happened since the try went to the fit since we had two drug spots, And so I think that

always is going to be something now that generates discussion. Alright, So so then we get into they get the two point try, Chicago gets the ball back, and now they're going to attempt to drive down the field and win the game, you get a rough in the passer called against against Nick Chubb and Bradley Chubb, which which there's two Chubbs. Nick is Cleveland and Bradley is Okay. So Bradley Chubb gets pedalized rough in the past or landing on with the body weight. This was a big deal

last year. It didn't look all that egregious. It looked more like Chubb was getting blocked at the time, and the and the tackle I think it was the tackle had his hands on Chub, and I think Chubb. It looked more like just the follow through of a conventional tackle. But obviously, look, you can't stuff the quarterback into the ground. The referee felt it was enough, So now you have a fifteen yard penalty. And then at the very end, Bears complete a pass. Receiver goes down, he's touched with

one second on the clock. And then the issue became did the did the quarterback Trabinsky? Did he call time out with one second on the clock. The crew got together and determined that he did. If you watch the replay, you can see Trabinsky in the background immediately signaling time out as the receiver goes to the ground. As a referee with the referees are taught in that situation. The pass is complete, you moved down the field and you

lock on the quarterback. You stay with the quarterback because you're anticipating. Look, you know they're out of time outs. You know they're gonna want to call. You know they have one time out left. You know they're gonna call it at the end of the play. So you stay with the quarterback and you and you watch, so immediately

when Trabiskie signals, the referee should be signaling immediately. And that's ultimately what they decided that when the signal was made, there was one second and it did look like that was the proper ruling. Can they can they pre call the time out like in the NBA where they go, right when we get the ball, we're calling time out. They can't pre call. They can say that, and they will say that, but they physically have to signal. They

physically have to signal. They'll say, look, we're gonna take a time out, but it's still you still have to you know, Um, you obviously can't see me, but I'm doing the time out signal and uh. And so that's what happened. And then and then the Bear's new kicker, Paniero Pinero Bread whatever it is, kicks the fifty three yard field goal to win the game. I've I haven't seen a football player that excited after a game. I mean he went he I mean that that was the

time of his life. It's guess what, It's all downhill from here. Okay, it's all because where can he go? I mean, he could win a Super Bowl, he could, but no, but this season he's not gonna have. You know, how many game winning kicks fifty three yards is he gonna make. He's gonna miss a few. He's gonna miss a few. So you know, we have a big, big Bears fan in the studio and he's our goldie, he's our audio guy. So I gotta listen. I'm trying to work and I gotta listen to him, you know, you know,

living and dying with this game. So anyway, but that that's what happened in the Bears Broncos game. So interesting situation. Let's shift gears and go to uh STS fumble Saints I I do. I I feel bad for Saints fans and and I think the Saints are obviously, Look, this is three games in a row, and I think this is a situation where, look, this has happened before you have.

Jared Goff gets hit, the ball comes loose, Cameron Jordan picks it up and and returns it for what looks like a touchdown, and the referee rules the past incomplete. So so they kill the play. They're blowing the whistle. And the theory is there that once the whistle is blown and the play is ruled dead, that you can't advance the football. And so coach Payton had to challenge to play it was a fumble and uh, and so the Saints got the ball, but they didn't get the

advance and they didn't get the touchdown. And so that's a big play. Look, the game ended seven and nine, but that's a momentum play obviously. Who knows how it would have it would have ended had that had that call been been correct. But yeah, Breeze goes out and uh, and he's out. I guess what's six day, eight weeks now? Is that the was that the Uh? Yeah, that's what the report was in its thumb and his throwing hand obviously, so that's gonna be significant. So we lose Breeze and

we lose Ben Roethlisberger on the same Sunday. Not not a great not a great day. Um in that in that regard, but um, look, that's happened before the referee. You you always tell the referees if in that situation, if you're gonna if you see it and you're sure it's a pass, rule it a pass. So this is the opposite of the Bengals play we talked about last week. Yeah, exactly. The Bengals play looked more like a pass and it was a pass, but they ruled a fumble because the

referee wasn't sure. And I think that's the that's the philosophy, whereas you don't want to officiate to replay and you want to rule on what you see, but if you're not sure, let it go and replay can always bring it back. And unfortunately this one against the Saints. Look, there's no conspiracy. It just happens sometimes sometimes teams are on the wrong end of these calls. Over time, it tends to even out. It may even out during that same season, it may even out over the course of

several seasons. But the STS fan Saints karma for bounty Gate, Well, I'm not. I'm not gonna go there. That's that's that's water under the bridge, Travis. You and your Vikings better, you know, keep keep that exactly Travis. Travis is a Vikings guy. He's also a Cowboys guy. So I don't know how that works. Um, we can talk about that another time. We don't have time today. Let's let's talk about two plays there. Well, there's there's a play from

the Vikings Packers game. Stefon Diggs catches a touchdown pass and uh and what does he do? He goes to the stands in the back of the end zone, takes off his helmet and he starts he starts chatting with the fans in the end zone. So you cannot take The rule is very clear. You can't take your helmet off as part of a celebration, as part of a confrontation with another player, an opponent, or an official. So that's a fact's fifteen yard penalty. What does that mean?

That means now green Bay can say we want that penalty on the try not rule. So this used to be only one place you can only put it on the kickoff. Now it's the try So what does green Bay do? They says well, we want to put it on the try. It's a big play, it's it's six team, the game ends right and and so this ends up being a situation where the thirty three yard kick becomes a forty eight yard kick and what happens It gets blocked. So what if that was the situation where they had

to go for two. What if it's seen late in the game and now they have to go for two and Diggs has that penalty. Now you're attempting a two point dry from the seventeen. That's crazy. And when you look at the percentages last year, thirty to thirty nine field goal se so and that's just the is gonna be below se and uh and so your your odds

dropped dramatically. And that is a big penalty. It's the first time we've seen it um in this situation, and I think that's something to look for going forward and in a critical situation, that penalty. Keep your helmet on, man. We talked. We talked about that on the first podcast, which we have an air, but before the season started, how big of a of a deal that was? What could be? And yeah, we did it. We did a test podcast in the offseason Joe's bringing that up, which

it's never going to see the light of day. So I don't know why you're talking about that show. But anyway, exactly living in the past. Just make sure the audio levels are correct and make sure that I'm the correct distance from the microphone. Please, thank you. Okay, So um, look, I want to talk about the two rules that I currently I don't like. All Right, I think the NFL has two rules that I'm not I'm just not crazy about.

The one is past in afferance review and the other one is the idea that a runner who dives for the goal line or for the line the game is considered to be giving himself up. And it happened last night in the in the Eagles Falcons game in a big situation. The Eagles were going for two and uh and they end up losing the game by four, So those two points are big ruled good on the field

and uh. And then they rule that so Whence scrambles he dives for the goal line, his knee hits the ground before he's touched, the ball is short, and then it's closest to where the ball breaks the plane before he was actually touched. But they ruled a good conversion. I don't think they would have been able to overturn

it under the old rule. But the new rule says, if you're diving head first the moment anybody part other than the hand or foot touches the ground, independent of contact by an opponent, you're down that quarterback, only any runner. So for years, the rule was you had to slide feed first. We've all seen it, the baseball slide, and you give yourself up that way, and you get defensivesplayer protection.

You can't advance the ball, you can't fumble it. And now if you dive head first, you're considered to be giving yourself up. And that just seems counterintuitive because it's obvious he's not giving himself up. Yeah, you're taking away those exciting plays of reaching trying to get into the end zone. And that's and that was just it's it's troublesome that look. I get safety and I'm all for it, but to to to put a guy down when he's obviously diving for the goal line, it just doesn't seem

it just doesn't seem right. And this look, this happened to the Bengals last year. Jeff driscoll to back up. At the time he was in the game, he dove for a touchdown similar type play, ruled a touchdown on the field. Replay came back and uh and reversed it and uh. And so that's six points off the board. And it's interesting and I would hope that the league would continue to look at that and maybe maybe make a change going forward. Where do they spot the ball

where he starts to dive. So when you dive head first, it's as soon as a body part other than the handerfoot touches, where's the ball. So in the instant last night, I think it was once his left knee, right or left knee, the moment the right knee or left knee touches wears the ball, that's that's the spot. And uh, you know when he slides feet first, it's where the ball is. When a body part again handerfoot doesn't count, but chin, calf, knee, Once that body part hits, where's

the ball And that's where you put it. Okay, the second rule that it I look, it's early, but but I just don't like where we are with this past inference thing. I don't I think we're stopping the game we're reviewing plays that that really it seem like very subjective calls. And I think the league has done a great job with when the call is made on the field. They have not overturned one of those, and I think the standard is very high and they've been very consistent.

But but when the call is not made on the field, I think we're seeing some plays and we're starting to compare them. Right, we had to play in Baltimore where the defender played through the receiver's back. It was close. It looked like p I. If it had been called on the field, it doesn't get picked up in replay. But it's not called on the field. It's not created

and replay. You know, we had a tweet, you know, even former former head coach Tony Dungee, you know, and and and Travis, why don't you read this tweet because I think I think a lot of people it's early, but a lot of people are frustrated with this rule. I think he feels the same way as as as we do. These past interference reviews by NFL fish eating

are not making any sense. Clear dp I s last week not overturned clear push off by Antonio Brown does not get overturned, but Minnesota TV gets called back due to blocking downfield. Not sure what the standard is right now. And and look, this is not this is not an indictment on on the decision making from New York in replay. This is a tough call. This is a subjective call. You're dealing with You're not dealing with the ball touching

the ground. You're not dealing with the foot touching the sideline. You're dealing with contact. Was the ball catchable? Was the contact enough to hinder the receiver's ability to to make a play on the ball, all of these things, And I think we're seeing these plays and I think yesterday there was a great example. You had the the Digs

touchdown prior to him taking his helmet off. He had another touchdown that was called back because replay went in, stopped the game and created an offensive pass inference foul on down Avin Cook for blocking down field before the ball was touched. And it was confusing because the referee didn't announce the number and he just said there was an offensive player. Obviously, we we identified Cook as the potential foul, but you watch that play and he's he's

immediately jammed off the ball. Then he turns. It looks like he's trying to run around. He does run into a defender. Is he blocking? Is he just standing there? Is it clear and obvious? And I think these are things that, um, you know, it's not the intent of the rule. The intent of the rule was to prevent the egregious mistake in the significant situation. You made a good point yesterday on the air saying that too. You're like, yes,

is this past interference. Yeah, you can argue that, but this isn't the call that we saw in the NFC Championship. And that's where the coaches were at the league meeting. The coaches were, let's eliminate the big game changing mistake at the end of the game. Let's let's have the ability to do that. Now we're looking at past inference calls in the first quarter with tim and it's to go, and we're and we're analyzing them to the nth degree and and this is it's troublesome because then you look

at perfect example, Steelers Seahawks. You have a play Russell Wilson rolls out, he gets hit, heaves the ball down field, two defenders, one receiver. There's contact passes incomplete, no call on the field. You have two potential fouls on the play. Wilson gets crushed du Bud Dupree hits him helmet to helmet, leaves his feet, hit him helmet to helmet. Clearly a foul, we don't call it on the field, not reviewable. But we're gonna look at the potential past deference down field

where there's some contact. Was he playing the ball, was there a grab. We're gonna analyze that. We're gonna make that a foul for thirty eight yard penalty when we've got a potential player safety issue that they can't look at. Yeah, they can find the player. Russell leaves the game with

concussion at that point. It exactly And you know, it's one of those things where it was just a great illustration of and I truly believe that if you are going to make these calls reviewable, start with player safety. And and you know, the Eagles and the Seahawks, there was a group of teams that proposed a rule in the off season to make hits on defenseless players reviewable, And I really feel like that is the direction the league should have went, and and they should look at

going forward versus the subjective calls. The college targeting is already reviewable. There's a precedent set there, and uh and and it's it's more objective to look at helmet to helmet contact, forceable contact versus that little grab on the jersey. Did that significantly? Hint? Was it a bang bang? Was it a yeah? Bangs? Employee? Real time? That looks like

a bang bang? Play? You look at it, like we talked about last week and we talked about in the studio, is everything looks like p I in super slow mo? You can you can argue almost everything looks like p I exactly. And now rules and I'll say this till I'm blue in the face, but as are written for on field officials to make decisions in real time. And now we're administering these rules in replay where you can slow it down and you can go frame by frame

and it changes the standard. Okay, moving on. There was a play in the Tampa Carolina game at the end of the at the end of the game, and we reviewed it for past in deference and it's just interesting call in the field was a catch flag down for a face mask. And again with this rule, it is past in afferience as well, if you grab the face

mask before the ball arrives at his past inference. By rule, it's the one situation there are very few, but it's one situation where two fouls can be enforced against the same team during the same down. If you commit a personal foul that's also pass an inference, then the past interference is enforced, and then you tack on the personal foul. Okay, So if the past had been ruled incomplete, then yes, I understand stopping the game game and making it past

an inference and then tacking on the face mask. But the past was caught, so all we're gonna do is tack on the face mask. So we spent three minutes looking at whether that was past inference when the result of the play was never going to change. And this is where we're in this mode of oh no, that's past inference. We have to stop the game, not even thinking through the ramifications of that. And I think that's where again unintended consequence and I think something that we

just have to look for going forward. UM forces all fans to look at these things like we do in the studio, like we see a touchdown Okay, it's clean. You know the player wasn't down here. You know you got across the goal line. But was there any flag for for past interference? Now you're looking for and now every fan has to do that instead of celebrate the

touchdown for their team. It diminishes the celebration. It's like v R and soccer, right, I mean, if you watch soccer, the World Cup, whatever it is, the goal is the most joyous. It's one of the most joyous events in the words, they don't score that much. A World Cup

goal is unbelievable. The entire country is celebrate. But wait, but wait, and now we're gonna do the little signal where the referee does that, the TV signal, and now we're gonna look at it, and everybody's like, okay, we gotta stop, right, I gotta put my my captain Morgan's down. I gotta do whatever it is. And this is where we are right now, and it's and it is it is concerning um. A couple of quick things before we

shift gears. I do want to talk a little bit about some stats on on p I review we're at We're at forty seven total reviews in replay that's up from thirty four through two weeks last year. So we're gonna see the league is concerned about game time, The league is concerned about gameflow. Reviews are gonna be up

and and of those forty seven sixteen are past. In afference historically, the most reviews typically are catch no, catch well well, d p I O p I s outpacing catch no at sixteen to eleven right now, So so forty seven through two weeks, we still got a game to go tonight. That's up from thirty four last year. At this time, something to watch out for. Um, we're looking at scoring, scoring forty four point one points per game. Penalties are up right, Penalties are at nineteen point three

per game, up from eighteen point eight last year. At this time, penalties will come down. They will come down. It's early, and quite frankly, first two three weeks a regular season, it's extended preseason right these How many how many starters are playing in the preseason? How many teams are really doing anything? Are doing anything regular season related?

And you know, other than just seeing what who's gonna be on the roster, putting in the putting in the game plans, putting in the offense, those types of things. But they're not doing what they would do in the regular seasons. This is extended preseason. It's sloppy football. Penalties will come down. Scoring forty four point one, that's down from forty seven point one last year at this time, and a margin of victories at eleven point six, which

is still kind of high. But I think we have to you know, again, what's the perfect formula high scoring, low margin of victory. And I think that's where that's where we need to base. So just some statistics, um to watch out four. All right, that's NFL. Now we're gonna take a break. This is Good Calls with Dean Blandino, a production of I Heart Radio. All Right, we're back. Good Calls with Dean Blandino. Now we're gonna go to Saturday, Friday, Thursday,

they're playing college football. I can't wait for midweek Mac games, Mac Attack on the on Oop. I can't say that four letter word. I was gonna say another network, but Tuesday night Mac football. Wait November. I know you're all excited about Bowling Green and Akron on a Tuesday night. I am alright, so my seat two calls. I want to talk about. Let's go two. I believe it was Friday night, unc wake. End of the game, tar Heels are down, mac Brown is back, trying to win again,

trying to turn back the hands of time. It's fourth and one. Tar Heels have the ball, they're out of timeouts. They run the ball. The back gets a first down. So we know in college at the at the end of the down, whenever there's a first down, the clock will stop temporarily and then it will be wound end of the end of the game gets a first down. The runners progress is stopped in the field of play, and the official rules progress stopped progress will stop with

two seconds left. He then has driven out of bounds. He steps out of bounds with one second. Mechanically, what should happen there? Clock expires. Replay needs to stop the game immediately and put time back on the clock, because you can at the end of the game if the clock should have stopped, whether it's for a first down, which is a temporary stop, or a permanent stop like an incomplete pass, you can put time back on the clock. And so when the runners progress was stopped, you go

to that point. You see where the clock was. You put two seconds on the clock and then the offense is gonna have to get lined up because we're gonna wind the clock on the ready for play. And it's important. With two seconds on the clock, you cannot snap the ball and spike it. In college football, you have to run a play. You can only spike if we're gonna wind the clock on the field. You can only spike

with three or more seconds. So it's important. But a CC came out made a statement said there should have been time remaining on the clock. I believe the statement said one second um and and when the runner was out of bounds, but really the progress was stopped. The play is over when the progress is stopped, and because of the first down, the clock stops at that point. All right, now, one of our games on Saturday, this is this is the head scratcher play of the week.

We're still looking for sponsors. By the way out there, Murder's um head scratcher call of the week. It's actually the head scratcher sequence of the week. We're expanding two plays back to back. Michigan State Arizona State. Michigan State's down ten seven. They're gonna line up for potential game tying field goal, and they have twelve men in the formation. So so anybody out there, look, I get it. But anybody out there that thinks Michigan State lost because of

the next call, we're gonna talk about. We need to just stop an end there. They had twelve men on the field in the formation. Kicker makes the kick, Officials get together, center judge actually throws his flag, They pick it up, and then replay gets involved. They make it a foul. So when replay really on the field, when you have twelve men in the formation on the offense for three or more seconds, then you should kill the play. You don't allow the snap. It's a five yard penalty.

If the play goes, it's a it's a penalty for illegal participation. Replay gets involved and makes it a five yard penalty, which is the proper thing, and they move Michigan State back five yards. So now we're gonna line up for an even longer kick. What happens they missed the kick, no flags on the field, Arizona State wins. But you watch, and we were watching it in the studio, and you have an Arizona player who's not in a stag.

Arizona State player. I keep saying that I got roasted on Twitter yesterday because I said Arizona instead of Arizona. It's the same state, Okay, I mean I say it's in schools, all right. A s U player who's not in a stationary position on the line at the snap, runs up, jumps over the center. You can jump a gap. And there were people trying to argue that he jumped the gap. He didn't jump the gap. He jumped over the center clearly above that frame. That's a penalty for leaping.

It's a fifteen yard penalty. It's going to result in a first down. Obviously, Michigan State would have had another chance to kick the game tying field goal. Um the Pack twelve did come out and make a statement and said that that was that call was missed. And and look, the bottom line is that's a foul. That's not an easy call. And and you have an official in that position who's a side judge, who's actually a deep wing

official on normal place. So the deep wing is the officials that are on the sideline in the in the defensive backfield side judge field field judge on either sideline. That side judge comes in and is one of the officials responsible for ruling on that play. You don't get a lot of training. You you look at how many field goals and extra points during a game compared to scrimmage plays, and so it's a different look for that official. It's a different play and unfortunately they missed it. And

uh and again. But it goes back to if you don't have twelve on the field for the first kick, it's a moot point. But again, not a great sequence. One thing I wanted to bring up to that, you know, people on Twitter are asking you, and Brady Quinn came into the Cube in the studio and asked us was why it wasn't it real leverage as well because the guy had hands on Yeah, and that's a good point to leverage. The college rule is you can you can

basically leverage off an opponent. You can put your hands on an opponent's body and gain leverage, but you can't do it off a teammate. In the NFL, you can't do it off an opponent or a teammate. Okay, So that's the head scratcher call of the week. So really excited about our our guests today. I don't even know what to call him. I guess he's an NFL insider,

but he's more than just that. The guy's a The guy's a TV star, he's a movie star, he's a gym owner, he's a foundation starter, the one and only, but basically bottom line is he's just another jack off from from New Jersey, Mr J Glazer? Jay, what's up? Man? You know exactly who I am? There you go? You know when I first met Jay quick story, I was working at the league office and he came in and did a story on officiating, and Jay, why don't you,

why don't you tell us that story? Real quick about stating I did a real story that I did a faith story and if faith stories really got the kind of in with you and a lot of the other guys. So I was working at CBS at the time, CBS sports Line dot Com. I get lined up to do a story on the officiating department and I come in there and because you know, you saw last week on our show Straight and dump gatorad on me, you know,

play the joke did that. It was a lot of because he did that, because I've lived to play jokes on him and you and everybody else, Like I lived it just of course, you guys, so I think, yeah, most of America like cheer. They finally somebody got on the back. So my first ever interaction with Dean Blendingo was I going to the official department and I write a fake article for CBS sports line dot com, which

was hugely at the time. Um and and and you couldn't tell it wasn't a real article, right, It looked flawless, perfect. And how you know, the officiating department has a fantasy football league and sometimes they'll make you know, calls on players based on players are playing that week and the right.

Then I had one we were right, it's a huge you gut the challe Then I had one where you guys decided who gets fined, and you know, I think there's a code of you know, um, you know, and who was its Michael Strahan this week kind of you know whatever penalty, but you know, we like him so we won't find him. But you know, and Dorsett Jr. You know, somebody here at a problem with his father. So we got a first team rand or setting along those lines. So you know, it's all fake, none of

it's real, but it looks fantastic. Like you can't tell it's not real. And I had greg Iello Commins, the vice president Communications the NFL involved, and you know, nobody else says he walks upstairs and then fisiating department, Nick drops these you know copy to the article on the table up there and said, what the hell is wrong with you? Guys? We let this reporter inside and give him access to this. This is what you do. And Mike Pereira, right, he was boss of the time. He

started flipping out. All the you know, officiating guys in your office store flipping out, and they start pointing fingers at each other. It's like Lord of the Flies. You're just going after each other. Guys like I didn't say that. Who is the only one who was the only one that didn't buy it? Right? Right? So for guys like I didn't say that, like you did, I heard you like they were turning out each other. One person sat there and looked at everybody like, you guys are a

bunch of idiots. This can't be true. Indeed, I gotta give you credit. You're the only one. As the great Stewart Scott would say, you're cool as the other side of Tillow. But everybody else they crapped their parts. So that was my introduction to Jay Glazer. So you know,

it was all it's all uphill from there. But you know what, what I noticed about you, what I find so interesting is you know, I been to league meetings with you, and I've seen you interact with coaches and gms and owners and and and other events, super Bowls, whatever it is. And you have these reporters that are that are kind of on the outside and they're looking for information, and so they talk to these people. But

but you're You're part of it, right. I see you, and you're you're part of the group, and you have these relationships that go they go beyond a a professional relationship in terms of I'm a reporter and I'm trying to get a scoop. And and that's what I found so interesting is that was that your approach, you know, um,

in terms of going into this business. So just talk a little bit about that, you know, be honest with you, I'm the same no matter what, like well me or hate me, you know what you're getting because it's just it's just one me. I can't I can't be any other way else. And and um, yes, I didn't play by any of anybody else rules. I act this way with everybody because I need to genuinely like everybody. That's it. And you know, like to play jokes. I like to

mess arou. But yeah, I mean, I think I'm the only reporter probably in NFL history, who gets a day drinking group of coaches and and g ms together at the owners me. I think it's twenty GM and head coach is deep um. And I've always said, look, I'm gonna. When I started this business, I walked in that giant locker room in and I said, man, how could I be different from everybody in here? Um? Because I couldn't be like everybody else. You know, I didn't have the

same education, didn't have any experience. And you know this before the internet, like New York is the place to be, and you know, I looked at it. How could I be different? You know, different is the way you're going to succeed. And at the time, everybody was kind of using their pen as a weapon. I said, how am I gonna. I'm gonna. I'm gonna get relationships. I'm gonna build these relationships, and over time, through relationships, I'll get

more scooped than anybody else. And that's what happening, thank god. But and then the business changed. I think it was. I've even had I have one person come up to me back then covered the I said, well, yeah, you can't beat them, join them and asking me why do we have a relationships with your players? Like if you got to ask, you can't ask exactly. But but it was now you see everybody try and be friends and

and the same thing. But it wasn't like that when I was doing this and I got killed crushed murdered by everybody else from the media, that I wasn't because I was friends with everybody. Yet I had more scoops than anybody else. So don't question my objectivity. Look at the body of work. I had more big scoops than anybody who's who's done it over this period. But now everybody tries to do at the same one. They all try and have relationships. And you were really the first one.

And and like you said, and I've seen it. You you are yourself, whatever the environment, wherever, wherever you are, You're gonna be yourself and you always know where you stand. So I've always I've always appreciated that Um, well, I just look, we're talking about jokes and being me. I have one joke that I do where I take people's phones and like, if you love your phone unlocked in front of me, you're screwed. So I'll take people's phones and it's a joke. I got some chuckle adele who

makes the story later show later? Um, but he uh, he would take people. So now I kind of turned into an art. I'll take your phone, I'll teck somebody from your phone, and then a raise the scent text message so you have no idea anything. I'll text people's lives that they're going to the doctor about certain things. Um yeah, yeah. The first time, the first time straight and I met Gavin Newsom, who's not the governor of California, but the first time he left his phone in front me.

I grabbed. Michael's looks at you, like, are you grab you Wait, you grabbed Gavin Newsome's phone the first time you met him? Yes, the first time, And I went to go text Bill Clinton because I was like the last guy who was texting something whatever it was that Michael's look at me, don't I'm like yeah, And I guess I said we had told him the story beforehand, and so I started texting and as I text, Gavin Newsom turns around, No grabbed the phone. Oh my god.

And he's just like, you're out of your might. You don't even really know me. I'm like, I do know, and we become friends as a result. That's I would have loved to see what Bill Clinton's response would have been to whatever crazin issue when you were going to text him. So Michaelson, They're like no, no, He's like shaking his head. No, like shaking me off, like a like a like a you know, baseball picture, and I'm like, shut up. He's like, don't do it, but shut up.

So switching gears a little bit because you have so much going on. I don't know where you find all the time for it. But e ballers your your bellator. You have the gym unbreakable, and I've trained there and it's it's an it's such an interesting concept where it's kind of like, you know, you're in you're in West Hollywood's. You think this is a fancy place, but this is

a no frills kind of no mirrors. You go in and there's but you walk in there and here's everybody from there's m m A fighters, there's there's Hollywood A listers, there's you know, just regular people that that are trying to get better in there. And you know it's so I mean, I've worked out with with Khalifa, I've worked out with Sylvester Stallone, I've worked out with Randy Cotur, I've worked out with so many people at that gym.

But it's such a it's a great concept and and uh, you know, tell us a little bit more about it. You know, you also said there's no mirrors. There's no mirrors, um, because what I would like to do in my life with build teams, I do that at m m A. I like being I need a team. I need a team to kind of the team helps me with my depression of my anxiety. And that's why I thought, I

have a fight team. And it's crazy as it towns and in the cage is where I feel safe and after somebody beat the hell out of me is when I'm I kind of have my most vulnerable talk. So I have this fight team behind me, and I'm it will take with me in life and it helps me with depression anxiety. Um, so I kind of built that same thing there and unbreakable of you know, it doesn't matter who you are there. You know, as you get

more successful, you become mister and misses to everybody. You lost it, your your your locker room, so you tribe. So I try to build the locker room again. And there's no mirrors in there because I don't want anybody's back turn to anybody else in the team. So it's the mirrors aren't there because of a vanity thing. It's there because of a team thing. Um. But yeah, we put everybody together and it's, uh, it's a pretty cool

little concept. Like you said, you know your workout crew, you come in, you have a different workout than anybody else. Everybody gets coached. You don't just come in and work out. So you get coached. And we build this family in there that you know, at any one point you can

come in there. And you know, we had one group one time it was man, it was eleven o'clock in the morning and the group that group was Joe Jonas, Sophie Turner, Duane Brown who's holding out from the Texans, Luke rock Hold, who is the middleweight champ of the world, Chuck Ligil. Where's Khalifa might have been stallone? I think was stallone? Uh Nick Jonas, uh Man, Roy Hubert basketball player, Milan luc Where where else in the world? Where else in the world are you where else in the world?

You're gonna get that group together for anything? It's the oscars in the Super Bowl wrapped up is unbelievable. And and the other thing, you know, you talked about building team and and and helping helping each other out. You're you're involved, and you really started with with Nate Boyer m v P, which which is you know, your foundation for returning veterans and merging vets and players. And you know, I've been to those meetings at the gym and it's

it's it's a powerful, powerful experience. And uh and you know, so what what was the impetus behind that? And and uh, you know what are you doing now with it? I was trying to give Nate something to do aftergett going back and you know he's going back in the military. I'm like, nah, now, let's let's not do that. Man, what's he came out alive. Let's not send you back. But yeah, you know, look, obviously been around football players my whole adult life. Um as in my retiring I'm

hearing them. You're complaining the same things in the transition. Transition sucks, you know. And you know I've trained with military guys a lot, and I've actually trained military overseas in m M A stuff. And you know, they come home and they have the same They've voiced their problems to transition the same exact way. It's it's incredible. It soun Kenny. You know, obviously it's a different life, but

their complaints are the same. You know. They you know, if they don't feel um a lot, won't leave the house. They're like, oh, I'm different, man, I don't fit in. I'm missing my team, I'm missing my locker room. Man. You know, guys put us up the NFL. They won't leave the house. It's oh, man, everybody asked me, No,

aren't two team anymore. They're they're kind of humiliated, and you know, military guys, they finish up the combat bets, they come home and I gotta say, well, I don't leave the house either, because everybody asks people like you, I don't answer that, and I don't fit in. I don't I feel like I don't fit anywhere. And it's I'm like, you know, start here, all these plaints, it was the same complaint. I'm like, shoot, man, let's put

these guys together. Let's complain and empower each other together. You know, we understand each other. So I created thing merging vested players football players look up to combat. That combat, that's look up the football players. That's putting together, giving the team. You know, when you retire from the NFL, you know, Mr playbook, you don't miss practice, you don't miss the pain, you don't miss the hits. Damn sure, miss your your locker, your team. So That's what I'm

trying to do. And and you know again me and my fight team. Like for me personally, um, you know, I've suffered from severe depression anxiety of my whole life and the one thing that helps you out with it is is my team. And I should say my two things helping with my team and being a service to others. Like you know, So we sit Dore on Wednesday night.

So we put this group together, be seventy guys in there, gals, and you know, we talked about everything about why you know, you should be empowered, why you shouldn't look at it like, oh, man, I you know I used to be great. No uniform don't make you great, You're great. You know what's behind your rib cage has made you great. Um and man, it's just a bunch of badasses empowering and other bad assets. We talk about the heaviest stuff in the world on

Wednesday nights. Wednesday Nights One Night in my Life said, I don't feel depression and anxiety creep in because it's I am being a service otherish. It's that, it's you know, I've been there. It's that sense of community that they that they have and it makes it's such an unbelievable experience and I think it's amazing. What with that. You know, a group we started the group with about ten was that you know, think you guys, you would never think

we're homeless. And they're living in a shelter. There shelters throughout l a throughout the country. They're like homeless, like barracks for homeless veterans because they finish up a lot of them, they got nowhere to go. He's like, and they've made no money, got no credit. Where do you go? The systems really fractic's very broken. Um, and it started there, and you know is now thousands strong were throughout the country at different cities. I'm really, really, really proud of

these guys. But you know, any one time you can go in there and say, hey, how many people in here trying to commit suicide? And three court of the room will hands will go up. And since they've been with us, they have not tried. Since they've been with us, We've got a ton of these cats through homelessness and homes and jobs and job interviews, and they've they've helped each other and they're now being of service to others.

They're they're doing great things. And and you know, we've got a crew now when something happens, we actually employ these guys in human New mission. We deployed in Vegas after shooting, we're deployed in Hurricane Harvey. Yeah, they're amazing. No, it's it's unbelievable. And then the last thing you mentioned, you mentioned Chuck Liddell and uh and and we have a story. I don't know how many years it goes back, but we were in we went out one night. I

have a story. We went out one night in Manhattan. But do you is a big, huge, huge, amazing is one of my training partners, good friend, and we're going out in New York champions and uh, I called Dean. We're in New York, Chuck, and hey, do you get to come out with us? Right? So we go out all right long, and somehow we end up with like it's like a bunch of Jamaican drug dealers. I don't know what. Yeah, there was we we kept taking people up every every place we went to, we kept picking

up more people. It was like the pipe piper. That's Chuck. Chuck just collects people. Yeah, it's scary of an individual's Chuck seams. He he's he will hang out with anybody. He's like the nicest guy in the world like that. So he's collecting people and we're going and we finally end up with some after hours to in about four

or five in the morning and go ahead. So we walk into this after hours place and the guy comes up to us and and he looks vaguely familiar, and he's wearing a kind of a weird kind of outfit and he's wearing these these shoes, these white patent leather

alligator boots. And you know, Jay thought he was the major d and the guy comes up to him and and he was like, hey, you know, chuckle adell j Glazer and uh, you know, hey, you guys are great, come on, come to my table, and and Jay was was hammered and he's like, yeah, tell televator d to you know, get get me a drink, get go to the table. And I'm looking at this guy. Yeah, hey, somebody tell us mad get me a table. I'm freaking starving.

And I looked through and Jay tell us guys, I'm starving, and You're like, Jay, it's not to man, I'm like, and then I start going look at the boosh, my god, look at his food, and he's like two feet away from us, and I'm kind of just ragging on the guy and ripped, you know, raz and I'm in a fun way about his boots, and I'm like, can you please tell this guys get at the table. I'm starving. You're like, Jay, it's not I'm like what I'm like,

it's it's actually Mickey Rourke. And and so it was Mickey Rourke that Jay was making fun of to his face. And then Jay doubles down, right, So so that happens, you double down and He's like, so tell Mickey rourk to get me a table and get me a sandwich, and he did, and we end up the best grilled cheese sandwich in history. We end up spending the rest of the night with Mickey Rourke eating eating grilled cheese

sandwiches and drinking mohitos. He's like, I'm gonna get you a grilled cheese sandwich and a Mohedo And I'm sitting there at three am in the morning, going, wh what does my life become? I'm eating grilled cheese sandwiches and mohe and drinking mohedoes with Mickey Rourke and Chuckle adell is doing cartwheels on the dance floor. By the way, at this time, and by the way, it was only a Monday night, and it was a Monday night. There

you go. There you go, no normal Monday night. So that's that's what you get when you hang out with Jay Glazer. You can you can follow Jay on Twitter at j Glazer Instagram, check out his foundation, Vets and Players dot org and uh and just you're a renaissance man. That's all. That's that's all I can say. And you're you're you're a renaissance man. You're an idiot, you're all those things. And thanks thanks for joining us today. J all right, all right, thanks to Jay. Jay is an

interesting guy. Jay has a lot of stories. We could probably talk to J for an hour and uh and we'll bring Jay back and we'll tell more more stories about Chuck Liddell and Mickey Rourke and but that's his life, that's what he does. Like you literally you literally walk into that, Jim, and it's Demilovado over here and and Rich Eyes and over here. It's such a mishmash of of celebrities and sports personalities. It's it's unbelievable. So thanks J for joining us. That's the show. Thank you all

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