NFL Week 11 - We discuss Myles Garrett and whether the reaction fit the crime

These were all words to describe what happened Thursday night at the end of the brown Steelers game or Myles Garrett hit Mason Rudolph over the head with with Rudolph's helmet that he had just ripped off of his head. And and look, this is this was not something that we see very often. It was obviously above and beyond a normal even the normal football fight. And and I feel like the lead acted swiftly and and did the

right thing. And they suspended Garrett for the remainder of the regular season and any postseason if the Browns take part in it. And uh, the Garrett will have to meet with the commissioner to get reinstated. Now the NFL p A will well, I'm sure have something to say about that. There will be an appeal and we'll see how this plays out as the process, you know what

happens with that process. And I was texting with Troy Vincent, the VP of football Operations at the NFL, after it happened, and uh, and you know, and he, you know, he told me, he's like, listen, you know me personally, I have very little tolerance for these types of actions. Now, what Troy and his group did, which includes John Runyon, former player with the Eagles, who's in charge of player compliance,

they got together and they decided on the suspensions. They did that on Friday, And they do the suspensions first because that impacts the aster right, teams have to make adjustments, maybe bring somebody up from the practice squad, maybe signed someone. So they made that so so your suspensions, you know, obviously, the Garrett suspension is the longest one, and then you've got Marquise Pouncey who got three games, and then Larry Ogan Joebi who got a game. Right. Who didn't get

a suspension was Mason Rudolph. A lot of people felt he was involved. Uh, and and you know, Travis was one of those. He was one of those. Mason Rudolph started. He he thinks he should have been suspended, but obviously the league felt otherwise. But there will be a lot of fines now they got the suspensions out of the way. Now this week they're gonna look at the tape and they're gonna find players. They're gonna find players for getting

involved in the fight. They're gonna find players for running off the bench to get involved and and this will be a big, big number. The thing I want to, you know, just kind of talk about a little bit is, you know, it did though that reaction did feel it felt a little over the top. Not and doning what what Garrett did, but it felt like there was this

rush to judgment. And I had a good conversation with Howie Long and Kyle Long in the studio on Sunday and they both felt that, look, it's and Kyle especially, I mean how he played during a different era. But Kyle especially said, you know, it's really hard when when and I agree, when you're asking these guys to play a violent game and be physical and be aggressive and be violent, it's really hard to turn it off, and there's that invisible line somewhere where we're asking these guys

to be physical and aggressive and violent. And I think and they were being honest, and Kyle was being honest and saying it's tough, it's tough to turn it off, and uh, and I think I'm just surprised that people

were surprised, honestly. And I think that that when you have a physical game and you look at I thought Aaron Foster, the former running back um in the league, I thought he had a couple of good, good comments and a good take on it that hey, look this this is not something we want to see in the game, but you know, we see it in other sports and hockey they fight, they hit each other with sticks at times, that's accepted. It's it's it's a penalty, but it's accepted.

In baseball, they throw, they throw at the batter. That's dangerous as well. And uh, and it's it's not it's not condoned, but it's kind of accepted as just part of what what happens outside the lines necessarily. And I think we're gonna see, you know, we we we got Howie and Kyle saying it's really tough, and there's that

invisible line. We're gonna hear from a guy that played in the NFL a very physical position, Jim Finn, who was a fullback who kind of has a little bit of a different take, and uh and I think, you know, and just kind of in preparing to talk to Jim and getting his initial thoughts, I think you're gonna hear from Jim on and and how in terms of respect of the game and where he feels that the heat of the moment um is not a is not an excuse for for what happens. So we'll get into that

in uh in a little bit here. All right. Now, we're gonna we're gonna bring in our special guest this week, and this is a guy that played in the NFL, and definitely want to get his take. I think I'll have a really unique perspective on on what happened and what playing in the NFL is about and how physical it is. Um. This guy that played a position that that we don't see this position at least the traditional sense,

very off very often now anymore, the fullback position. And a guy that that came up with the Bears, played for the Colts and actually won a Super Bowl with the Giants. Jim Finn, Jim, how you doing alright, guys, Alry,

thanks for having me on. Yeah, absolutely. We we were just talking about the whole Miles Garrett thing and and you know, it just felt like obviously it happened, and and it was something that you don't see very often, but the reaction, you know, at least me, I kind of felt that something the reaction was somewhat overboard and that so many people were were were in shock and horrified that this happened. I'm curious as to like what

your take on it is. You know, had you seen something like that before in your experience, whether it was in practice or or whenever, and like when you saw it, like what what were you thinking? Well, first of all, there's no place for that in the game. Um I my opinion is I would have him sit for sixteen

games a full season. Um. You know, he literally had I would say two or three seconds when he had when he ripped the helmet off and he was chasing after him, there's a guy in between trying to break that, break the fight up. So when people talk about the reaction, you know, he was just a heat in the moment when you rip someone's helmet off. Three seconds later, there has to be a period of time where in your mind you're saying, I can't swing and knock this guy

in the head without a helmet on. It's a salt It's straight up a salt um, you know. I one time we were scrimmaging the jets tern training camp and we had we were doing a nine on seven drill and you know, we had a huge brawl. But I mean I've never seen uh, you know first and guy. I mean there's been players that had helmets ripped off, but using it as a weapon to literally swing and hit a guy in the face or the head. I mean, that's just insane. Um. It's an embarrassment to the organization

and for the player. UM. I would if I was the league, I would have him in therapy for a certain amount of sessions before he even can't be considered to come back onto the field. So you don't you don't buy the whole heat of the moment thing just a reaction. You think he had enough time in that in that moment to kind of gather himself and say, hey, wait a minute, I can't I can't do this absolutely, and you know that was the whole point I was saying, like, Okay,

I get it. In the heat in a moment, you know, uh, he was wrestling around with Rudolph, and Rudolph you know, seemed to twist his helmet a little, which that's the only justification where I could say, all right, there was the heat at a moment where he overreacted and responded to that, right he has had hit him. I was getting twisted off a little. It didn't end up being pulled off the entire way. So he essentially did that in response to what you know, he was what was

taking place with Rudolph. But from that point forward, there was clearly enough time to realize this isn't something you need to be doing. And you know, whether he likes it or not, he's somewhat of a leader on that team, at least on defense. Being a first overall pick Um, there's a lot that goes along with that, a lot of responsibility, right, Um, So those you you would hope those things factor into being able to be composed in

a moment like that. Um, you know, I think the the immediate reaction was just ripping a helmet off from that point forward, there's no excuse for what he did. Sure, you know I was talking to I was talking to Howie Long and and Kyle Long about it in the studio and they both I mean obviously how he played during a different era and we know you've watched those tapes and that was just it was just we accepted more at that time and you see those old videos.

But but Kyle, who's obviously played you know, recently, and he said it was hard for him. It was hard to turn it off. You know, you're asked it's it's a violent game, especially you know in the offensive and decent defensive line. And he said it was hard to play aggressive and to play violent and then just turn

it off. And that was something that you know, he really worked on and really you know, talked to his coaches about what in your experience, you know, how hard is it how you played a physical position fullback you're in the trenches to how hard is it? Yeah, so you know, I totally get that some players need to like really flip a switch. Um, I guess from my perspective, I was a player that you know, I felt like I was prepared, I was able to do my job and not have to like turn a switch on to

a different person. You know, obviously I'm not uh you know, being physical and uh when when I'm outside the lines, but like being aware and having a clear mind. I don't think I've ever been in a position where within a three second period I could realize, at least on the field, where you know you're about to do something really really stupid and you just just saying, you know, having either the excuse of well, I just flipped the

switch when I'm playing the game. That to me, from what the type of person and player that I was, even being physical every play, I was able to have the awareness and you know, at least within a three second period to know what really is not okay. And that just for me doesn't work. Um, But I understand there are guys that are real passionate, and you know, they they pull a lot of intensity and and focus from you know, the mental aspect of like flip the switch.

I'm a different person and you've got to be a savage out in the field. Um, But I would like to think that I was kind of a calm, cool, collected type player. Um. Always understanding first and foremost, uh, you know, with my responsibility to the organization on the field as representing them, representing myself. And I guess to some degree it's how you view the game, the respect

you have for the game. And for me, you know, I was an old school type player, so I would never want to do things that you know, would reflect negative And even with the show boating and the celebrations and all that stuff, that just wasn't part of the player I was and what I took, what what I took pride in, you know. So with that said, I feel like I always try to, you know, me contained the right right amount of sportsmanship with you know a

lot of responsibility that comes with playing in the NFL. Sure, And and so for you, you know, you you last played in two thousand seven. You know, how have you how do you view like where the league is today and how the game has changed since you since you left the field. You know, where do you think the game is now? Do you think it's in a better place, you know, as relaced the player safety or rules and in terms of just what you've been seeing the last

couple of years. Yeah, well, listen, you know a lot of attention has been brought with the whole concussion deal and firsthand, I've seen and heard amount many stories of foreign players and what they're dealing with in their lives. After um SO, the culture had to change, and um players are getting faster and stronger every year. The equipment was obviously getting better and better. Um Like, for me, when I dropped on my helmet, I literally felt it invincible with a helmet on, and I felt like I

can run full speed into anything and be fine. I mean sometimes I look back and I tell myself, like, how could I have not been like really conscious of what it was doing to my brain? But having that helmet on provided me this mentality that I was safe. And so um as the game has evolved from the leather helmets and you know one bar face masks, it's you know, the game changed to more of a using the helmet as like you know, a weapon, like full

on leading with the helmet. People were playing real physical and I love what's in taking place over the last I don't know, in twelve years. It's it's basically a reverse evolution, like you gotta evolve slowly back to the safer way to tackle. And I think, you know, you're seeing a huge difference in it. I know guys, you know, especially the defenders, that puts them in a really difficult position because the game is fast and there are split second decisions that have to be made and guys their

jobs are on the line. I can't even imagine being a safety or you know, a linebacker where you have to hold up UM out of fear of you know, having a player or or you know, even fines guys whore. You know, there's there's guys that are making rookie minimum wage salaries for the league that you know are getting fined and it's almost like a game check. I know they have the rules where it needs to be or whatever,

but that's serious money. And when you have that dilemma, and the flip side of that is you may end up on the bench or get taken out of a certain package on defense, you could lose your job. UM and with the speed of the game, that's a really really tough situation to be in. UM. Thank god for me offensively that you know, that wasn't something I had to be concerned with. But UM, overall, I think it's better for the league. We won't really be able to

see how the effects of that. UM. The change for at least another fifteen and twenty years when these players are admitted forties and fifties, you know, to really see how you know, the fewer hits during training camp, uh, and the less hits to the head, you know, especially on big hits. UM. How that you know, change is really going to affect guys long term. UM. I think it needs to. I need. I think they need to continue with the focus being on that UM. And you know,

certainly the league will because the liability issues. UM. But I think it's a good thing. And I think it's only going to get better players, you know, from a younger age now or being taught how to tackle the right way UM or a safer way. And it's that's just a natural evolution that is only going to improve as time goes by. Yeah. And I think you make a lot of good points, and this is this is a sea change. This is not a short term thing. This is a long term thing for the future of

the game. And I remember talking to Mike Tomlin and and he you know a lot of times we would meet with the with representatives from the NFL p A and talk about rules changes, and a lot of these guys would go especially on the defensive side the ball. How am I supposed to make that play, you know,

without sticking my head in there? And Tomlin, you know, he finally, and this is a guy that coached the Steelers, you know, during a time when you had guys like James Harrison and Ryan Clark, a lot of these guys that were big, big hitters, and he said, you know what, sometimes you just can't make that play. And and and that, like you said, is such a dilemma for a player because now I gotta worry about the penalty I to

worry about. Now I'm letting that you know, letting that receiver catch that football where before I could really blow them up. And uh, but I think the short term, you know that that short term maybe angst is it pales in comparison to the long term health of the game. And I think that's I think that's where we're headed. Absolutely.

I mean, you know, you understand that for a given player, um, that may at some some period impact his career if it's some crazy play where he ends up getting released or cut or you know, removed off of the starting lineup, But the long term and safety of the league and their players is key and guys don't necessarily realize that. You know, we all know, and your your twenties and you're playing. No one's really concerned about what's going to

go on later in their lives. But I think they're starting to understand that and see with everything that's gone on, and you know, uh, yes, things sometimes when you got when you're the one that's you know, in that dilemma, but it's just part of part of what needs to happen, you know, and for the for for the safety of a football I mean, if if the NFL didn't change what was going on, you know, who knows whether there would have been a league in thirty forty fifty years

or what type of success it would have had, you know. Um, So I think they did what they needed to do, and uh, you know, the players are just gonna have to slowly, uh you know, adapt to it. I know it's difficult. Um, Like we talked about, the speed of the game is so much faster and it's only getting going to get faster. But that comes once you're starting in the pevee football levels and on from high school, college and the prosy. They should be able to adapt.

I mean, you know, like, think about college. Now, you know, you get a you get a launch, a penalty, and you're you tick that you kicked out of a game, right, So, uh, I understand that that shouldn't I don't think that should be applied in the NFL. But um, guys, when they're being taught that regularly, constantly throughout their entire football careers before they get into the league, um, they're only going to be better at handling those like split second decisions

or you know, just understanding the right way to avoid it. Yeah. Absolutely, so we uh we wanted to. Joe was looking up a little bit of your career stats and and we have a couple of questions for you. But actually your college career was no joke at at at Penn And I mean you you have the fourth highest total rushing yards in school history. Um, you you actually played. You played on the defensive side of the ball for a couple of games, you played safety, so you played both ways. Um,

obviously you were dy afted. You were drafted by the Bears and then went into the more of a traditional fullback, so you didn't have you didn't have a ton of opportunities to carry the ball. But Joe, why don't you, Why don't you tell Jim what you found out about his his rushing stats? So we found eleven carries for thirty yards. But but but two thousand and six. But I went on Wikipedia time. I went on Wikipedia and it says you had you had six rushes for forty

four yards with the cults. So are you on Wikipedia put in your stats? Is it which one? Is it thirty? Which one? Uh? So? What was the it was? What was the thirty? How many carries for that? Had I found on ESPN eleven for eleven carries for thirty yards? Dean went on Wikipedia. It's at forty four yards in six carr in six rushes and three years with the Colts, which is pretty much the reference has eleven for thirty as well. Jeez, I don't even remember how many carries

I had, But you were more. But you actually were actually more of a receiving out of the backfield. You actually caught he passes for says four and twenty three yards in one touchdown. Yeah, I mean you know in Indianapolis, Uh we had Edgar and James, so giving me the it was not the priority. And you got more carries than you and Indie Nerve Peyton likes to spread it around. But then the question is are you patting your stats on Wikipedia company right now? I have not. I did

not claim to be a running back. I mean when I was in college, uh, I actually was came in as a running back. Um, I wanted to get on the field as a sophomore because we had a senior running back, so I asked switched to safety. And then the junior my junior year or are running back wasn't doing so well. I was the short yardage and gold of line running back and I basically had popped off, you know, like a bunch of long runs in that role while I was still playing on defense. And then

you know, we were we were struggling on offense. We couldn't get anything rolling. And then I basically begged the kind of coach to switch me over or at least let me play both sides. And there was one game I actually played both sides, and then after that I was strictly running back. I mean that's what I wanted to do. I had. I had no intentions of running the ball in the NFL because I was I was not fast enough to avoid all those hits and uh,

it definitely didn't mind being a fullback. It was much much more of a preferred role than trying to carry the ball. But actually another another two trivia, like cool things about Jim Finn You were Mr Irrelevant in in Is there like do you guys all I get together? Is there like a Mr Irrelevant house like the Heisman House where you guys all want to hang out and talk about your your relevancy? Was that? Unfortunately unfortunately not? Um?

You know, they have it every year. UM. I was actually the twenty four, I believe, and so uh, you know, I'm Mountain, California, so I I attend those dinners. They have a bank. It's a week long celebration. UM. One night there is a big banquet. So I was at the four. And the next year they had the twenty five. They brought as many players back as they could. UM. And then I've been a few other random years, you know, just when I haven't get invited and when it works

out my schedule. But there's a lot of guys that you know are there from the league, UM, whether or not just the Mr Relevans UM. You know, Jim Moore and my coach was there one year. Uh, you know, there's tons of guys from the league, all uh West Coast guys mostly Well, I've got I don't know. I mean, I gotta do a little research, but I would imagine you're one of the more successful Mr. Re elevants you played. You know, you had a pretty good career for for

being the last pick in the draft. Yeah, yeah, I like I like to believe I I carried the name. Well for the irrelevant guys, you got Ryan Sucker, though he's been been around for a while. He was actually the twenty five I believe. Um, so he's been around, he's been doing his thing. Um, Marty Moore was a linebacker special team guy for the Patriots. Um, those are the two that jump out most for me. And um the other one Joe found this is I don't even know if you know the answer to this, but Joe

found this one. You are one of You are one of two NFL players to catch passes from both Peyton and Eli Manning. Yeah, I do know that. You know who the other guy was, Brandon Who who throw the better ball? Uh, Peyton, I would say Peyton. Yeah, yeah, I guess that's the obvious pick. He did. I'm and it was amazing. It wasn't There wasn't a huge difference in the Yeah for sure, Um, but yeah, I guess

I would have to go with Peyton. That's awesome. But hey, Jim, I really appreciate you taking the time, and uh and best of luck with everything that you're doing. And uh and come join us again sometime. All right, man, I appreciate it. Thanks for having me. All right, take care of guys. All right, thanks again to Jim for joining us. We're gonna take the quick break when we come back. We're gonna talk a weekly subject on this podcast. Past a deference review in the NFL. Next stunt, Good Calls.

All right, we're back here on good Calls. Let's get into it past an inference. It feels like it's we ply topic. There's weekly controversy. It's a subjective call. So on Sunday, it was it was the Texans Baltimore game. Notice I didn't say Houston. It was the Texans Ravens game. First quarter. Look, the game ended up forty one seven, So but it's early enough to say, you know what, I would this have been been a turning point. First quarter.

DeAndre Hopkins's fourth quarter play look like interference. It looked like the contact was earlier Maul and Humphrey contacted him. The Texans challenge ruling on the field stands and uh, and had a lot of people talking, you know, why, why how is this not clear and obvious past an inference? You know, CB, it was a CBS game, Gene territory of the rules. Analyst on CBS thought it was past inference. We thought it was past an inference, and uh, and

the ruling on the field stood. And then and then later in the afternoon Arizona San Francisco early in the game, Richard Sherman on Christian Kirk, no call on the field, the Cardinals challenge and the foul has added and replaying. I think a lot of people are questioning, you know, where is the consistency in the two decisions. They're both passing affairance, right, I mean, they're they both Sherman was clearly early, Humphrey was clearly early, and uh. But one

results in a foul, one doesn't. And then and you know, Tony Dungee, who's been who's been very outspoken about this rule, tweeted again, Travis, what did what did coach Dungee have to say? He said, NFL office just overturned a non pass interfairance calling Richard Sherman. After all the calls they've let stand today, how can this one get reversed? I know I'm on a soapbox, but this is not fair to anyone. YEA fair to the cards you said it is.

It's fair than Cardinals. They'll take it. It's tough because again you and look, this is a very very difficult call to make on the field, and it's a tough call to then legislate and replay. And and that's why A in and I'm on a soapbox every time I say it that that I don't feel like these calls should be subject to replay review because it's tough you and you you overturn one, and then a similar type play you don't overturn. And it's like the league has

now put itself in a box. But to me, the bigger picture issue is that we're we're seeing calls that are not made on the field. And we talked a little bit about this last week. Is this is this starting to sink into the the psyche of the on field official because you think about that. Okay, that's a no call what we would call a no call in Houston, Baltimore. Right, no flag throwne doesn't doesn't get added and replay everybody

thinks it's past inference. What is the what is the communication to that official you know, next time it happens, don't throw your flag because it's obviously past an inference And we're not getting these calls on the field, So it's affecting the on field officials performance. And that's where that's a problem. That's a problem because it all starts. Rules are written for officials to make decisions in real

time on the field, not to make replay decisions. And and I think that's part of the issue here and a lot of people, a lot of people are are are upset about it, and and it's just a tough, tough play to officiate in replay when when again, the rules written to do it on the field in real time.

I was pretty shocked with the Richard Sherman one because it was clearly the past inference that he had his arm on his back, raking down his back, pulling his jersey like pulled him down, and then the ball hit him and hit Christian Kirk in the head and and at the same time he was pulling on his back, he had his left arm held back. You were surprised that it wasn't called on that. That that's my thing. It's it's how is that not called on on the field?

Initially when you have again every receiver elig every eligible receiver has as an official that's watching that receiver, you know, at the snap. Initially that's an initial key. Then they go to his own concept, then they go to the football. That ball is in the air, it's a deep pass, it was a forty something yard passed. There should be multiple sets of eyes on that action. And we're not

getting that call on the field. And and I think that everybody wants to complain about replay, but forget about replay. It starts on the field. And uh, and that's where the you know, we have to make sure that the officials are are understanding what is and what is in past inference and and working on how to improve in that area. And that's and that's the biggest thing you look at. You know, a couple of other calls that were that were either um made or or picked up.

You had another one in that in that cardinal pointing under game on Joe Walker, that looked like he was in good position. He had his he he had his playing the football, he had his head turned around and the receiver actually played through his back and he got called. Walker got called for defensive past inference. And then in the Jets game, the Jets Washington game, Damarius Thomas got called for offensive past deference when it was clear that

the the defender initiated the contact with Thomas. Now the Jets challenged that and it was properly overturned. But again, end we gotta get it right on the field initially, and I worry about that, you know, this whole replay thing affecting the on field officials performance UM going into the week sixty five reviews for past inference only ten overturns UM through so far through week eleven, we've had we've had two additional overturns and uh. And we'll see

how how the rest of the season plays out. But this is going to be a topic and what I worry about, honestly, I worry about the the the the standard during the regular season changing during the postseason because the game's obviously all games matter, right, But in the postseason it's winner go home. And I worry that the bar is gonna get lowered in the postseason in terms of creating thousand replay because of the magnitude of the games.

And that's where you play under a certain set of parameters throughout the regular season and it changes in the postseason. And and that's that's inconsistent. It's just my concern. I'm not saying that's gonna happen, but I do, I do think about It doesn't keep me up at night. What keeps you up at night is when Joe texts me about his Tesla getting a download and sending him an email that it's faster than it was the night before. That keeps me up at night because he texts me

at midnight to tell me that. But anyway, um, onside kick, let's go to the onside kick. We had a a surprise. We had a successful onside kick. But it was a surprise on side kick. It was Jason Sanders um from

Miami and the Buffalo Miami game. They obviously saw something on tape and and they recovered and Sanders was the one that actually recovered the kick himself and and as as our our former colleague at Fox Sports who's now with the ESPN, Pat McAfee, he said that that was to recover an onside kick's point zero one per cent of the population can do that, and the athletic feat that it that it was. It takes a very special athlete to do that. But surprise, surprise on side kicks

or looked at differently than expected on side kicks. The league looks at the expected on side kick and they look at that accuracy percentage. And if you're talking about expected on side kicks, were one for twenty nine so far um through week eleven um. I think I said week ten earlier, but through week eleven three again on

side kick. I had a good conversation with with one of my former colleagues at the NFL and and his take was that even though the on side kick is not successful to the extent that it was in previous years, just just the idea that the onside kick is still available and it's still a potential. Um the success is still the potential still there that that that is enough to to keep it in the game and to keep games. You know that just the the fear or or the the the the actual UM. One of my trying to say,

Travis helping the excitement of it, just the excitement. It's just that's that's enough right now. The league is not necessarily going to look to make any change UM small sample size eleven weeks. Will continue to monitor that, but you need some way for teams without without time outs

to come back. UM. You asked the question, Travis about just as we're talking about replay review the process, the communication process and how it works and what is the kind of the what's the what are the steps in the process, UM, in the NFL and both the n c A and and I think it's interesting in the NFL, So you have a review is initiated one of two ways.

It's either a replay officially have a replay official at every stadium in a replay booth in the press box that replay officials responsible for initiating a review when when they are responsible for for that that time frame during the game. So it's either you know, scoring play, a turnover or inside two minutes, and so the replay official initiates the review. A coach can also challenge a review when the coach is allowed to challenge and then there's

a converse Asian. Then the people in New York, someone can put on a headset and communicate with that replay official and they'll start to line up shots. They'll start to look at, Okay, the ruling on the field was a catch, Let's look what's the issue. The issue is going to be the second foot at the sideline. Let's look for the best angle. So they're having that conversation

setting up angles. Now the referee comes over. The referee there's there's a tablet, little device monitor that the referee can look at the referee and the and the the designated person in New York, whether it's our River Iron or Russell York or any of the other designated people will now have a conversation with the referee and they'll communicate on the play. Just like you and I Travis, or you and I Joe would talk about a play and say, Okay, let's take a look. He's got control.

Look at the left foot, it's in bounds. Now, let's take a look at the right foot. Is it out. Let's look for a better angle. Yes it's in or yes it's out. And then they go through the administration of rolling on the failed stands. We don't need to do anything. We try. If it's a challenge, we charge the team and time out. The ball is where it

is and we go and we move on. If it's overturned, then we got to go through the process of Okay, it was second in ten, from the forty, now it was a catch, Now it's going to be first intent from the thirty. UM, whatever it is, we gotta worry about the clock. Is it gonna be or do we have a runoff situation? Do we gotta reset it? Are we gonna start on the snap or the ready for play.

So there's a sixty second window to make a decision, but it's a longer process because you have all of the set up pre review, you have the post review administration. So that's how it works in in the NFL. UM in college a little bit different, where the replay official

is responsible for stopping the game throughout. The coaches do have one challenge if the replay official decides not to stop it, and UH and most college conferences, the big college conferences you talk about PACK twelve, Big twelve, A C, C, and SEC. They all go back to a command center and there's a communication between the replay official at the stadium and people in the command center, UM, in a central location, they make a decision. It's a collaboration. They

make a decision together. The Big Ten is the one of the of the Power five conferences that doesn't go back to a command center. It's the replay official and the replay official only, UM who's making that decision. And uh, and so that's how it works in college. Same thing. There's no time limit in college, right, and that's a that's a we're talking about it taking two. It takes well, it's it's in college. The NFL does a good job. They don't. They don't write down on cards anymore. They

just use the wireless communication. I feel like college, we need to go to that. UM. There's no time limits, So you have to have as a replay official, you have to have an internal clock to know that. In what we tell college replay officials is if you get to the two minute mark, that's it ended, because you don't have enough. If you're still worrying about you know, whether you you have a right angle with two minutes, UM,

you don't have enough to overturn it. Let it stand unless it's the game ending play and over time and it's the national championship. Obviously, take as long as you need to take, but for the most part, two minutes. Let's end it. We can't be sitting there for three or four or five minutes and killing the flow of the game. But but that's something that you know, I'm

sure we'll be discussed going forward. Should college have a time limit like the NFL does, But as long as they un averaged there about one in terms of stoppages, which is significantly less than the NFL, which is well over you know, two minutes per review, and so we'll see. But that's the process. Travis. Do you think about going into replay, Travis, you think you got you got the judgment. I know Joe thinks Joe. If Joe was six inches taller,

he'd be a replay official. Yeah, I think I think Joe could do it, and I think we can all do it. Like we spend a lot of time watching this stuff, and I think we put in our ten thousand hours where we consider ourselves that uh, the experts step back. I mean definitely a very impressed Gladwell, you gotta wrap about that. I don't know if you have the arms for it. You know, these guys were these tight jerseys. Now that's on the field though, that's the medium.

You have a lot of officials. That's the new it's involved. So the other thing I was about the subject was the communicator who got us back on. The guy sitting next to the replay official who's actually looking at the there's a communicator in there too, so he's then communicating to the broadcast truck. And then yeah, there's there's communication between especially on College, because you you have the replay

official that's stopping the game. Sometimes it's not. You don't know, maybe they're looking for a targeting that wasn't called, and so that communicator has to call the TV truck and let them know. Hey, you know, we had to play in the studio on Saturday that that we were trying to figure out what they stopped the game. It wasn't obvious. It was just a clear and complete pass. They stopped

the game. We didn't know, So we're looking through The communicators should call the TV truck and say, hey, we're looking to see if we have targeting on the It was I think it was the back who was going out into the flat and you know, give us the number, tell us what you're looking for, and then in the truck the producer can find the right angle and put those on the air, so so the replay official can

look at it. So that communication is really important and UH, and it's initiated by the replay booths, so they can tell the TV truck what they're actually reviewing, and then the TV truck and the producer can pick the right angles. That's great insight. That's what you get here in good calls. Now we can talk about my my pipe cleaner arms again from working in an office, Travis gets Travis the the We'll talk about the office pool after the break.

But let's let's take a break. When we come back, we'll we'll take a shot at the CFB ranking, CFP rankings and uh, and we'll talk a little bit about Dean had a nipe off over the weekend. Next some good call. Alright, we're back on good Call. Let's talk a little college football playoff. We are still no one can get this right, but I feel like I feel like we're gonna get it right. One of us is going to get it right this week. UM. Top four teams, Joe go, Why do I always gotta go. You gotta

go first because I'm because I'm the winner. Yeah, you're the winner. Right, I'm gonna go with the same four. I don't see much move Ohio State, L s U, Clemson, Georgia. Okay, you're okay, you're dumb. Go ahead, Travis, I got Ohio State, L s U, Clemson, Georgia. You're dumb. You're dumb. To you dumb? Okay, let's see what you got. What's the smart got? L s U is the number one team in the country. Okay. L s U was number one in the CFP rankings last week they won again. Okay, O,

how State beat Rutgers? So you're saying, and O, how States win over Rush because we more impressive L s U, Ohio State, Clemson, and Georgia. That's your four right now. Okay, it will change, but that's your four. Who picked the game of the week, Who picked the win of the week? Which one? Which one are you talking about? It's probably you,

obviously who Iowa? Iowa be Minnesota because I was setting up there were three, Minnesota was nine and now, okay, I don't care setting up the Wisconsin Minnesota play the game of the year. For the big ten West Thanksgiving weekend. Alright, let's uh so Travis, please share with us. How wait did you give your four? I just did it? Yeah, okay, sorry, the four that just you don't even have to watch Tuesday,

those are the four. So Saturday Prayer was back in the studio after who knows how long, and he felt bad, so he I work the early games. I might have the rest of the schedule. And you guys were there late, right. The last game was was usc Cal started at a p m. Pacific. Yeah, we were there till twelve it without without it was quiet. There was less Testla talk actually none, and then you know, there wasn't any Joe talk about but we were clear. I was clearly missed.

I don't know about you. Yeah, yeah know, you guys were missed definitely. Dean. You kind of drive the conversation on on Saturday nights for the most part. I mean, we had sushi with with with Mike, which is always nice. We have we have other things we do when you're there. We do contests and like not contest, but like when Mike said, you sit there and do nothing, we do nothing. We focus more on the games. Yeah, when I'm there, it's more fun. Yeah, it's it's more fun, but it's

it's fun. Brady Brady Quinn Brady could not have been texting me more like prayers, no fun come back. He came in a couple of times asking business type questions. Oh God, anyway, all right, um, well don't you have some stories about Mike? Don't want to talk about not on the air now. I do want to, actually do want to. I ha gonna get serious for a second, or serious as as as I can get. I do. I had a couple of things happen um last week and I had an epiphany and Joe, if you don't

know what epiphany means, just google it. So I did two things. I'm the first person I feel like we we constantly we make fun of each other, and I think that's great. But I feel like sometimes in society, especially on social media, we're just waiting for people to screw up. We're just waiting and we want to jump on it. And I'm no different in terms of seeing, you know, being being around people and be like oh

this guy and that guy. But I did two things last week and it made me realize that I need to stop making fun of people because I did things that if somebody else did and I was witnessed to, oh my god, So I second, you're not perfect. Oh no, I'm I'm far from far from perfect. But these I usually don't make these types of mistakes, and my mistakes

are usually much bigger pension in my personal life. But anyway, um, so I was on getting on a plane and my seat I was in nine A. That was my seat, and I went to my seat and I sat down, and I was all comfy and ready to go to bed and get to get a nap in and this lady comes up and you know that whole like oh you know, and she was very sweet about it, and because some people come up like you're in my seat and she's like, oh do you what seat do you have? And I'm like nine A and she's like, oh, this

is seven A. I was two rows off. Okay, what was on your mind when I'll give you one row? But two rows off? I don't know. I saw nine and then so she was very sweet and she's like, oh, don't worry, they're both windows and I'll sit in nine. I was like, okay, cool. And the guy I could see him like and and he was upset because she was kind of small and me, so he was going to sit next to somebody was small and have more room where he's sitting there to me, and he's a

blah blah blah. And I'm like, if I was that guy too, I'd be like, now, I gotta deal with this the rest of the flag. I deal with this energy. Obviously he didn't know right next to me, clearly, no, but right next to me the whole time. And uh And that was one and then too, I was I stayed. I was traveling last week and I stayed in a hotel and then went to another hotel and I was in meetings and I was in Connecticut for meetings XFL stuff. And I went to the meetings and I went up

to my room. My key didn't work, and I was like, a stupid hotel key doesn't work. So I gotta all the way back down. I'm like inconvenienced. I'm I'm annoyed. I gotta go back down. I'm like, oh, my key doesn't work, and I'm eight oh five, here's my I d and the guy that kind of looks at me and he he like shows me the key and he was super cool about it. He's like, this is the wrong this isn't even the right hotel, Like it was my hotel room from the other hotel that I was

staying at someone it was like a Hilton. This was like a Marriott. And he looked at me and I was like, you're I was like, you're an idiot to myself if I would have been him. So then I realized, like, people make mistakes, and I'm not gonna I decided on Friday I wasn't gonna make fun of people anymore. That's done. I got nervous because I I encouraged in making fun of each other. But I was but I really do. All people make mistakes, and I'm gonna be more. I'm

gonna I'm gonna be more tolerant. I'm gonna have more tolerance towards the little things. And I was actually kind of down. Um, I don't know why. I was just a little bit down. And Friday night I watched Uh I Love Actually and it cheered me up so much. I love that movie. I love it. It's like the Hallmark It's like a Hallmark movie with like really good actors and a big budget. I don't think We've talked about how much you love Hallmark movies. I love Hallmark

movies and Hallmark movies crush it during Christmas. But I love Actually My only my only problem with Love Actually

is I don't I'm not. I don't like Liam Neeson in that he's like it's like a romantic comedy role and I just want I keep waiting for somebody to like or do like Love Actually too, where somebody gets kidnapped and Liam just kicks ass, like that's like keep waiting for and he's like being like a he's being like a step dad and the mom dies and he's being all cool to the kid and very emotional, and I'm like, I don't this Liam Neeson is not the Liam Neeson that I want. But I love Actually a

great movie. The other, uh, the other thing I want to talk about before we get into the brain of Blandino is Dan Lebotard. Can we talk about that the radio show What Happened? I haven't seen it, But if I haven't seen I don't know. I don't even apparently on the radio show Dan Lebotard, you know Dan, and and I've not actually never met him, and he has the um highly questionable right on ESPN, And he has a radio show and really and I love listening. I

like that show. I like listening to him. And apparently he and his wife were on vacation and they saw me doing on the air, doing a game and his wife said, oh, that looks like a Dean Blendino. What does that? What does that mean? Travis? Explain that to me? I can't. I don't, I don't to me, what does a Dean Blandino look like? Yes, he looks like you, But that's like do I look like a Travis? Like?

It's no one, no one's ever going to Absolutely we're gonna say you look like you look like a Dawn Like I mean, like, do you look like a Travis? And you're wondering, like without you were telling me. You were telling me before we started recording about your family farm and how the family farms doing really well. Where's the family farmrth Dakota, North Dakota and there what do they produced on the family farm? All kinds of wheat, durham oats. He's getting more and more Travis as we

go on. But but so I look like a Dean Blendino, Which is fine because I am Dean Blandino. I do want to have a shout out. I want to shout out to Nick Daniel's mom. Um. Nick Daniel is a Big ten replay official. He's actually one of the youngest replay officials in the country. And uh he sent me an email about a couple of questions about the l s U Alabama play last week and at the end

of the email and I'll read it. Ps. After years and years of telling my mom how good Ben and Jerry's is, she went out and bought Half Baked for the first time last week in response to your podcast. I'm still not sure how to take this, so so we are changing we are changing lives on this. She wanted to hear it from someone credible, someone credible. Obviously her own son is not credible enough when it comes to Ben and Jerry's. I do have a pint of Ben and Jerry's in the freezer that I'll be eating

after the podcast. But I'm very disappointed that my my local right aid where I get my my half baked was out of Half Baked, so I had to get like the tonight though. Whatever, Yeah, what did you just say? It's good? It's good Okay, you like it's a okay's good? No, I want great But anyway, UM, actually, you know what, let's do something fun. Let's we've been talking about. My brother is a big football fan, and he texts me throughout the day on Sunday. We get a lot of

laughs and a lot of laughs. And so he texted me about the the DeAndre Hopkins play and he he said, did you see the DeAndre Hopkins play? And I said, no, it wasn't our game. You know, it was a CBS game, so I didn't see it live. And he's like, it's being challenged right now and it stood. And so his response was wow, wow, wow stands and I and I said, just saw it. That's past interference. And he said, I

wasn't asking your opinion. I know it's DP. I'm asking what drugs they're taking in New York and the convincing. So this is who we're dealing with. Okay, this is who we're dealing with. So we want to do a segment ship, my brother says, and so I just want to set it up. We're gonna introduce my brother talked for like five minutes just so you get a sense. And then we'll every once in a while we'll just talk about my brother, says, I'm so excited to do Okay,

get my brother's name is David, call him Joe. Let's get him on the let's do it. He lives in My brother lives in Long Island and Massa. No, actually he's in linden Hurst now lind in Herst Long Islands. Let's see if he's there. Hey, what's up? Yeah, I can go on nothing. I'm with Travis and Joe there on the pocket. What's what's going on? So we want to talk about. Okay, NFL, give us your take on what's happening this this season as a fan. And then kind of just today, what was your take on what

happened to go unwatchable? Why? Why is it unwatchable? But you continue to watch? You continue to watch book ahead, I continue to watch because people, you know, you play fantasy football, this and that, but you can't watch this what anymore? It's it's just not football. It's not you can't not agree on that. Why is it not football? They get penalties for tackling too hard. I mean, I don't even want to get started. Get started. We want you to get started. Every every play is a flag.

Every everything they do is wrong. Players safety, players safety. If I got the players safety, it's a contact sport. Well, you know they're being baby. The quarterbacks will rule the whole field. You know, every play the quarterback could just run the ball and and the defensive players don't even know what to do. They can't. They have to they're gonna make a tackle. I gotta stop. What what do I do? You know? I mean, this is just do

you have one one? What was this year? What was the most what was the most upset with a call this year? Like that? You you remember you read I just read that the Hopkins tweet about today, So forget that one. But what was the most upset? Every week? Every week there's a call the Golden Tape pass interference? Why do they why do they allow you to to challenge a passing appearance called when they're never going to change it. They're never going to change it, So what's

the point. I don't know what they're doing in New York. What they don't see that the whole world sees. So I don't know, Dave. I'm with you, man, I'm with you on this. Every everyone is with me it's it's it's I'm not asking for anyone's opinion. I mean it's it's clear and clear as day. You know you just watched the game and you're just waiting for the revs

to screw something up. That that's what people watch. And when we realize what I did for twenty years and not and not for nothing, replay is what screwed this game up. And I'm not saying who brought replay back into the NFL. I'm not even gonna go there. I'm just saying, you know, I've been saying it a thousand times to you. Guys like Ronnie Lott can't even play in the NFL today. You know growing up that that was one of my favorite players. I want to be

like him. No kid wants to be a defensive player. Today. You can't play defense. You can't even even at the end of the Patriots game, the hit at the end of the game that you know, unnecessary roughness, What was un necessary roughness? The guy made a hit? You know that that that's what people want to see. They want to see big hits in hockey. You want to see big hits in every sport. You want to see the collision at home plate and they take everything away because

these players are being baby. They make millions of dollars to to to to what to what? You know? All right, well, no, we you've made it clear where you are. But we're gonna make sure we're gonna see. We want you to. We want to get your take on stuff every week. So this was just the intro we're bringing you in. Can I just ask one question real quick, David. With with my kids, I always say, hey, if you've got a problem, tell me the problem. But you got a solution.

What what do you think they should do? Let them play, Let let them play. Stop stop with these replays. Replace should only be used on on on non judgment calls because you know, this one says it's a touchdown, this one says it's a catch, this one says it's not. You know, just use replay on on you know, is the foot out of bounds? How much time has left on the clock. Let the guys play, you know, you know, listen, you could call holding on every play. You can call

pass interference on every play. Now, I agree, Yeah, So figure something out. Maybe maybe maybe the defensive line and the offensive lineman they said wear the gloves like the baseball players where when when they're on base so they don't hurt their fingers, that's where they can't grab onto anything nice. What's the matter with that rule? You know, whether they're gonna the offensive the defensive lineman make that many interceptions where they either hands you know, I mean,

something has to be done the pass interference. It's either you let them play or you call it on every down. But but this challenging is just it's it blows my mind because you can't you can't watch a game. This is like listening to John Sterling on the Yankees on the radio. You don't know what what he's gonna say. You don't know what the reps are gonna do, So, I mean, I don't know. That's a very regional thing. John Sterling is a Yankee podcasters, So for those of

you that listened to you can't. You can't. You can't listen to him brocase the game because he calls it this, and it's that you know, it's the refs call it this. Even today the touchdown on on Cooper Cup the fifty one yard passed just before you saw the goal line. Ref he didn't know what the call, you know what I mean. And he looked at the other ref and you saw he was confused, and he puts his arms up in the air. Why make a call? Call, call

time and figure it out. Why? Because once they make that call, you know there's a ninety percent chance that can't be overturned. So why make the call? You know, the reps determined the whole game. That's why I told you the other week, you wanna a new revenue for the NFL starts selling the referees jerseys, because there's the one. They're the ones that determine the outcome of the game. No, this is like he realized that my life's work was in this year and it's all being this is jerseys

would have to be very small, Dave, it doesn't matter. No, we're not not Hockley's. But but some of them, Yeah, they would have to be some all but whatever, I'd rather buy them. I mean, we're starting to know the reps names more than the players names today. You know that is something we always we don't want, that we certainly don't want. Maybe they need, they need more reps

on the field. You know, I've been telling you for how many years they need to be younger, and I can't see all these reps in their sixties running up and down the field. I understand it's a hard the hardest sport to officiate. But you know, they got a lot of plays, right they but every play it could mean something, So something to be done, all right, because I'm telling you they're losing a lot of viewers, a lot of viewers people luckily. Yeah, but it's I'm telling

you it's because of the gambling aspect. It becomes a fantasy football. No, you don't have those real fans anymore. They just want to sit there and watch a game and watch the entire game. You know. Now now have people in the world. They watch the red Zone channel and that's it because they just want to see what their players do. So I don't all right, well, we appreciate the insight. We'll take them to consideration. And uh, well,

we love the text. Keep the text coming, yes, get the dean, get out of Get me on a text chain with this guy. I want, I want the text. You know, I'll try to slow down on the curse words and stuff if you use them more, but keep the keep the curse words in there. Well, well, we'll add it as necessary. You should call in a Francesa show too. I think you'd be a great guest for you. I can't stand him, another regional guy. Just this this sport is very frustrating to watch and and it's unwatchable

that that's the biggest take on it. So, you know, I don't know. And this game tonight, I was I don't know what I was making me fall see more waiting for you to call on this game because I don't know. You know, I guess Chicago just scored. I gotta see how they scored? Yeah, touchdown? How the rests allowed them to score? All right, well we're joining. This is the David Blandino Podcast. All right, but I'll tell you later. Thanks da. All right. So that's my other

and that's that's he's opinionated. So will you'll be hearing from him more. Ship. My brother says, let's uh, let's finish up. Let's do a quick brain of Blandino random thought and then uh and call it a show. All right, Let's see what we got. Does my mom know who you are? Famous barometer? Okay? So yeah, so I feel like there's we always talk about different levels of celebrity and the way I judge like an a list celebrity. If my mom knows who you are, you're in a

list celebrity. That's how I look at it. That's how I judge celebrity. And I feel like that's a good barometer for me, Like if my mom knows you know, my mom knows your mom's specific my mom specifically, and I feel like most moms are a good barometer of famous people. I'd agree, right, yeah, I think that that should be if we're going to implement a rule, if my mom knows who you are, you are top of the top of the food chain, okay, a list. If my mom doesn't know who you are, you're not a lost.

Warren step always talked about it in the studio on the NFL and about being Grandma approved, Like when he got on Dance with the Stars, that's when he became Grandma approved. So it's like that that's the other level when you can well why always talking about like Strangan like we we always joke. Michael comes into the studio and we we we go back and forth. But Strayan is like he's great, he's a nice guy, and when he's great, he comes don't even know what he's great.

He comes in with the cookies every week. He's amazing. But he's Grandma proved. My mom knows who Michael Strand is. My mom loves Michael Strand, so my mom, there you go. I'm still trying to figure out how me and my brother are related. You guys don't sound alike either. No, he's got the I mean he's in Long Island. That's Long Island. I spoke like that at one time, but I got out of Long Island early enough to where you only hear my accent certain words like Houston. But anyway,

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