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In the last episode, investigative reporter Jerry Mitchell launched his own investigation into Felix Vale. There was nothing, there was no paper trail, nothing when I began. He traveled to Louisiana and spoke to people who believed Felix had murdered his first wife, Mary Horton Vale. Felix didn't act like it was anything. Like, he didn't act upset. He didn't cry.
He also discovered that Felix's son, Bill, had recorded a podcast episode about Felix before he died. In it, Bill claimed his father killed not only his first wife, but also his girlfriend, Sharon Hensley. My father thought I was outside playing, and he confessed to her that he had actually murdered her. Based on his reporting, Jerry Mitchell published a story that exposed a disturbing pattern.
the women closest to Felix Vale kept winding up dead or missing. By then, Felix himself had disappeared. But sources told Jerry he was living in Texas, a fact that caught the eye of an intrepid private investigator. who offered to knock on his door. It's fair to say that most people, upon learning that a potential serial killer lives nearby, do not immediately think to go pay him a visit.
But for private investigator Gina Frenzel, that was her first instinct. I'm kind of tenacious that way. I like the hard to get. But yeah, I mean, if he's not talking to anybody, let's see if he'll talk to me. Why not? It's just a knock on the door, you know, might scratch a knuckle, but who cares? Still, Gina was a professional PI.
She knew she couldn't just barge in and start asking about Felix's dead wives and girlfriend. She needed a cover, and Jerry had the perfect one. As it happened, there'd recently been a fire on the property Felix was living on. and Jerry had discovered Felix had filed an insurance claim for it. They decided Gina would pose as an insurance adjuster, conducting an inspection. An hour later, Gina pulled up to his house.
which was more like a converted storage shed. I park, get my camera out, my big camera, because I thought I have to make this look legit. So I go to the fence and there's no door to knock on because the shed is behind the fence. bolted all the things locked so i just start hollering hello mr bale i mean he comes to the fence i told him why i was there you know the story
And he just said, okay, great. And he opened the fence and we walked around for probably 30 minutes talking. As they talked, Gina took photos of the area where the fire had taken place. Then Felix invited her into his shed. I asked where he slept. He said, right here, there's an air mattress, no bathroom. The running water was a hose. You know, he just kind of roughing it. There wasn't anything significant in the beginning, except I did see, I looked down.
And he has this toolbox. He's fixing the place up, he tells me. So he has a toolbox, but he has this hacksaw and this hammer sitting on top of it, which kind of freaked me out because this is very new territory for me.
I'm sitting there and I'm just kind of side-eyeing the whole time. Like, there's a hacksaw, there's a hammer, there's a hacksaw. And my brain was just like, why can't you get on? Gina also noticed a box full of journals on the floor. And of course, I would go and peek over and try to read.
I wasn't very successful. One time he had to go out and go to the bathroom. And so I run over there real quick and then I come back in, you know. Gina spent an hour talking with Felix, indulging his diatribes about spirituality. But she was careful not to overstay her welcome and politely excused herself. And so he was just, OK, thank you. Here's my card. And I left. And I pulled over at the little store and shaking like a leaf.
And I called Jerry and I said, the SOB talked to me. And he goes, what? So I talked to Jerry, told him the deal. And he was like, that's amazing. He goes, do you think you could go back? I said, hell yeah, I can go back. I'm going back. Let me figure it out. Jerry's stories about Felix Vale had gotten a lot of attention, but months had passed since his first article appeared, and he had yet to hear from anyone in law enforcement. Normally, Jerry let his reporting speak for itself.
But in this case, he decided to go further. Along with Gina, he would set another investigation in motion, one that would captivate the country and make history in the world of American cold cases. I'm Jed Lipinski. This is Gone South. A week after her impromptu visit to Felix Vale's shed in Canyon Lake, Texas,
Gina Frenzel returned, but this time, she tucked a recording device in her bra, and she had backup. And I had my husband and my colleague down the street for security. Though cell service is not... great there and i told him my phone will be with me but my focus is 100 on him and they were within earshot so they could hear if there was something wrong but i went in
and i just said hey i was just in the neighborhood i'm done with the fire investigation i just thought i'd stop by and say hey and he was thrilled he was thrilled Inside the shed, Felix seated himself between Gina and the door. They proceeded to talk for the next six hours, with Regina recording the entire time.
So I let him lead the conversation. That's what you have to do when you're undercover. You cannot control the conversation. And especially with someone like Felix, if you open the dictionary and see narcissist, Felix's picture is gotta be there because. It's all about him. But I used that and I thought, okay, I'm going to pretend like he is the greatest man on the earth. And I'm just, oh, and bat my eyes and smitten by him.
In the recording of their conversation, Felix drones on for hours about books, God, and the importance of eating what he calls live food, or vegetables straight out of the ground. Gina pretended to be interested. But can you go to the grocery store and buy fresh things like that? Because really, what options do we have right here? You have to do some nutritional research to be able to get the right... At one point...
Felix asked if she was aware of the nosy reporter in Mississippi who'd been writing stories about him. No, who's... Jackson what? Jackson in East Texas? Well, okay, I won't go into it then. If you don't know about anything, there's no point in you knowing that. No, I don't. Throughout their conversation,
Gina was desperate to ask him about Sharon and Annette, the two women who were with Felix when they disappeared decades earlier. But in her role as insurance adjuster, she couldn't just bring them up. Finally, as the sun began to go down, Felix mentioned a woman that Gina believed to be Annette. And I'd done all the studying at this point. I think I knew Annette just as well as anybody else out there. And so I knew he was talking about her and he said something and it prompted me to say, well...
Where is she now? I guess maybe y'all can reconnect in the future. And you know how people say, oh, their eyes turn black. And you hear that. And I don't believe it. I'm like, your eyes don't turn black. His eyes turn black. And I'm not even kidding you. He stepped towards me and he said, no, no, she's not coming back. She's on her own, you know. It scared the bejesus out of me. And yet, this wasn't the last visit Gina made to Felix Vale.
Over the next few weeks, she went back and recorded him several more times, hoping he might slip up and say something incriminating. Jerry was amazed. And she wound up talking to him for like 12 hours. He basically told her his entire life story, which proved incredibly valuable in terms of trying to piece everything together in terms of what happened and where he went and things like that.
Jerry, meanwhile, was making progress of his own. He'd visited the district attorney's office in Lake Charles, Louisiana, and he'd gotten his Felix Vale stories into the hands of a tenacious special prosecutor. First of all, just tell me your name and what you were doing back then before this case came across your desk.
My name's Hugo Holland. I'm an assistant district attorney in the state of Louisiana. At the time this case arose, I was prosecuting for 18 different district attorneys around the state. Could you explain why you were doing that? The 18 DAs that I worked for called me in to work on...
special cases. Sometimes they were particularly difficult. Sometimes they were old. Sometimes they were complicated. But the bottom line was I wasn't handling the day-to-day robberies, burglaries, thefts, that kind of thing. Before inheriting the Felix Vale case, Hugo Holland had worked some of the state's most high-profile cases. In 1999, he was called in after six inmates tried to escape from Angola penitentiary.
taking prison guards hostage and killing one of them in the process. A few years later, he'd helped locate the body of a missing Louisiana tech professor, then prosecuted her killer. After reading Jerry's story about Felix and the Clarion Ledger, Hugo met with Jerry and Mary Rose in his office. They briefed Hugo on the scope of their investigation, the suspicious death of Mary Horton Vale.
and the disappearances of Sharon Hensley and Annette Craver Vale. Hugo was impressed, but in order to prosecute Felix for any of those crimes, they were going to need a lot more evidence. What Jerry and Mary provided was a whole lot of smoke. But for a criminal prosecution, I've got to be able to show a jury the flames. Just days after Jerry and Mary Rose's visit, The first flames flickered to life.
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After a local news station aired a segment about the revival of the Mary Horton Vale cold case, Felix's former landlord, a 90-something-year-old man named Ike Abshire, contacted Hugo. So when my investigator finds Ike Abshar and we go knock on the door of his house, when we identified ourselves and told Ike what we were there about, he said, I've got something for you.
And he was in a wheelchair at the time. He wheels himself into his back bedroom and I hear things moving around and he wheels back into the living room and he hands the elected DA an envelope. a large manila envelope that has in red written on it, KEEP, K-E-E-P. And in that envelope was a copy of the long lost sheriff's investigators reports.
a copy of the autopsy report, but more startling was there were two photographs, black and white, of Mary Vale's body being pulled out of the water. Now, I'm not a forensic pathologist, but I've been to... thousands of death scenes, and it didn't look to me like she had drowned. As we said in previous episodes, the Calcasieu Parish Sheriff's Office had nothing related to the Mary Horton Vale case.
except for a set of Felix's fingerprints. When Jerry heard about the crime scene photos, he was in disbelief. What are the odds that you have one guy who's 90-something that has saved? these records for 50 years, the photographs for 50 years in a folder. I mean, I'd be hard-pressed to find anything that I had around that was 50 years old, you know?
At the start of his investigation, Mary Rose had given Jerry a copy of Mary Horton Vale's autopsy report. The coroner had ruled her death an accidental drowning, but judging from the details in the report, Jerry thought it sounded more like a homicide. When he looked at the crime scene photos with Gina Frenzel, they confirmed Jerry's suspicions. Basically, if you look at the photo of her when she's been recovered, you can tell that her sweatshirt has been kind of pushed up.
and there's kind of like oil or something on the sweatshirt. Gina's theory on it was that Mary may have been hit over the head and knocked out, and that Felix then dragged her. body and put her in the back of the boat. And then when he got where he wanted to go, then he just simply put her body into the river. The sheriff's report was valuable too.
It indicated that all the detectives on the case thought Felix was guilty. They listed 15 points for why they thought so. For example, Felix had refused to take a polygraph exam. He was having affairs with multiple other women. And most of the witnesses interviewed felt Felix was capable of killing his wife. After leaving Ike Abshire's home, Hugo took the photographs to the Calcasieu Parish coroner's office. I'm sitting in the conference room.
trying to explain to the investigator what I'm doing, why I'm there. And I've got the two photographs spread out on the conference room table. And the forensic pathologist just happens to walk by the conference room door. And he looked at the photos. He said, who murdered her? And I said, Terry.
50 years ago, somebody said that she drowned. What are you telling me? He said, no, she was dead before she went in the water. Somebody murdered her. And boy, it was on like a chicken bone once he told me that. Not long after the photos surfaced, another local man showed up at the DA's office. His name was Wesley Turnage, and he also wanted to get something off his chest. He explained that years ago, he and Felix Vale had worked in the same factory.
And the story he told us was, I remember asking him one time what exactly happened to his wife. And he said, well... Our marriage wasn't working and that bitch wanted another baby. I didn't want the one I had and I fixed her where she'd never have another one. So 17-year-old Wesley Turnage... who's listening to Felix Vail tell him that in the car on the way to work in 1963, goes home and tells his parents what he heard. His mother made him promise not ever to tell anybody.
Because she was scared of what would happen to him. Wesley came to talk to us because he said, my mom has been dead for a while. And I figure I can tell you now. So from my perspective. I am just sitting here doing like this, clapping my hands, because not only do I now have a forensic pathologist that says this is a murder, I've got an adult human being that's going to get on the stand and say he told me he killed his wife.
Hugo started drafting an indictment of Felix Vail. In the meantime, private eye Gina Frenzel was continuing to record her conversations with Felix. At one point, he told Gina he planned to leave the country. Gina told me that. I actually passed that on to the district attorney to let him know about that. And as a result of that, they wind up making probably a quicker arrest than they would have normally made.
A suspected serial killer wanted for half a century is found living near canyon lake 73 year old felix vale was arrested and tonight he's charged with the 1962 felix vale was arrested on the morning of may 20th 2013. Deputies from Calcasieu Parish approached him as he walked into the post office in Canyon Lake, Texas. They charged him with the murder of his first wife, just shy of 51 years after her death. Felix's arrest was a major achievement.
Jerry and Mary Rose, who'd set the entire case in motion, were ecstatic. And boy, I really celebrated that day when somebody sent me pictures of him being handcuffed and, oh gosh, walking to the cop car. And, you know, thank goodness for Gina that she knew he was planning to leave the country. And yet, the prosecution still faced an uphill battle. Yes, they had crime scene photos and a forensic pathologist's belief that Mary Horton Vale was murdered.
and a man who said Felix admitted to killing her. But they had no physical evidence. There were no eyewitnesses. All the original detectives were dead. To get a conviction, they were going to need more. Fortunately, Gina Frenzel maintained her friendship with Felix behind bars. Shortly after his arrest, she sent him a letter in jail. And I said, I came back. You weren't there. I saw something. What happened? What's going on?
Call me. And he wrote back and he rattled off all, you know, everything's a conspiracy. Nothing's his fault whole time. So he told me, he said, Hey, I've got a few things I need done at the house. first of all, come get my truck and bring it back to the house. Cause he was arrested at the post office. So they impounded his truck. So I said, okay, I will do anything. I'll pay your water bill. I'll pay the electric bill. Keep the utilities on whatever it is. Okay.
On a Friday afternoon, on Felix's instruction, Gina picked up his truck from the Comal County Sheriff's Department and drove it to his place. She'd been itching to get inside alone for months, and now here she was. She immediately began searching for Felix's journals. It's hot and, you know, it's Texas. It's May. It's just miserable. And they were pushed back in a corner under a whole bunch of junk.
I opened this, you know, storage tote and it's just full. Like it's a big storage tote and it's full of journals. And I just started crying. I was like, there they are. There they are. The storage bin in Felix's shed contained dozens of his journals. Gina knew she couldn't take them off the property, so she ran out and bought $500 worth of SD cards and snapped a photo of every page, all 2,600 of them.
She then drove back to her house, uploaded them onto her computer and started reading. He journaled a lot. Trying to read them all, it was exhausting and kind of useless. He talks about just so many things that who cares? And just the monotony of it all. Gina was searching for anything related to the death of Mary Horton Vale and the disappearances of Sharon and Annette.
But as she read, she discovered the journals started in 1985, the year after Annette disappeared. What happened to the journals from before 1985? As it turned out... Felix answered that question in a journal entry. He kept all of the old journals in the attic at his parents' old house. So when they sold the house to move it, he wrote about taking them all down and burning them.
My heart sunk when I read that, because I thought, well, now we know where they are. I mean, they literally do not exist anymore. Still, the journals Gina had contained at least one critical piece of information. After hours of reading, Gina came across a passage describing an argument Felix had had with his sister and her husband. It was over the sale of their mother's estate after she died.
that after rereading his journals before burning them and then realizing the conflict he has with his sister over this, he has come to the realization that he can resolve his conflict. without resorting to murder. And when I read that, I think my jaw is still on the ground from that so many years later. And I immediately called Jerry and I said, Jerry, guess what?
And he goes, oh my goodness. He had ruled out murdering his sister and her husband. It's like that's a consideration. You know what I mean? That's one of the options that he's ruled out. Yeah, it's one of the options he's ruled out is murdering them. Jerry and Gina sent the passage to Hugo Holland. To me, that's a semi-confession to the fact that he has committed murder in the past to...
take care of personal interactions. While Gina was busy analyzing Felix's journal entries, Jerry had continued reporting, talking to anyone he could find about Felix. One source told him that Felix used to be friends with two twins in San Diego named Bruce and Brian. Jerry learned that Brian was dead, but Bruce was still alive. So Jerry called him.
He wished his brother was still alive. And so we talked for a while, but he just indicated he didn't have any information. Jerry called back the next day, but this time the man's wife answered. And she says... there's something he didn't tell you i'm like oh and so he gets on the phone he says yeah we were having this party
And we were all trying to brag about what we had done that nobody else had done. And Felix said, oh yeah, I killed my wife. Brian put Jerry in touch with another old pal of Felix's. a guy who'd ridden across California with him on a bicycle sometime in the 80s. Felix had mentioned this person in one of his interminable conversations with Gina, but he'd never mentioned his name.
I get this phone call from this guy and he says, I rode across California on my bicycle with this guy, Felix Vale. I'm like... Oh, it's Bicycle Boy. You know, that was our nickname for him because we didn't know anything else to call him. And so he said, you know, in these travels with Felix Vale, my bicycle. across California and then they later went to Mexico. At some point, Felix Dale told him he killed his wife.
These men marked the second and third witnesses to claim that Felix had admitted to killing his first wife. When Jerry asked why they hadn't come forward until now, Bicycle Boy said he was a teenager at the time. and too scared to turn Felix in. The twin thought Felix had just made it up. Regardless, all three of the witnesses were willing to testify in court.
No one had called to say Felix admitted to killing his girlfriend Sharon or his wife Annette, both of whom vanished 11 years apart, their bodies never found. Prosecutor Hugo Holland could have decided to simply leave them out. focusing solely on the murder of Mary Horton Vale. But as the trial approached, he decided to make Sharon and Annette a cornerstone of his case. Why do you suppose I'm interested in Sharon and Annette?
I'm interested in them because Louisiana and the law of every other state, by the way, provides that certain other crimes evidence is admissible. My theory was... The reason that we will never find Sharon's body and the reason we will never find Annette's body is because Felix is not stupid and he learned from his first mistake. First mistake to him was not killing his wife.
The mistake was allowing the body to be found. And so with Sharon and Annette, he made sure that we never found the bodies. The trial of Felix Vale took place in August 2016 in Lake Charles, Louisiana. The families of the victims filled the back rows of the courtroom. Mary Horton Vale's sorority sisters, now in their 70s,
or buttons reading Justice for Mary. When Jerry Mitchell took his seat in the press gallery, he looked up to see Felix staring at him. The very first time I saw Felix was in the courtroom. Just saw him across the courtroom and just like death glare. He just daggers from his eyes at me. Didn't bother me. I'm just, it just kind of cracked me up.
The defense's argument rested on two assumptions. One, the pathologist's original ruling, that Mary Horton Vale's death was an accidental drowning, was correct. And two, that without a dead body or a crime scene, Sharon and Annette could still be alive and well. The prosecution, meanwhile, had no shortage of witnesses. The three friends to whom Felix admitted killing his wife all took the stand. So did Gina Frenzel, Mary Rose,
and more than a dozen other members of the victims' families. So literally every single family, these three families, all got to testify, which is highly unusual. I've covered a lot of trials. I've never seen anything like that before. Yes, my sister disappeared. Yes, my daughter disappeared. You know, all that went into evidence.
There was no concrete evidence that Sharon and Annette were dead, and no strong theories about where their bodies might be. But their families were still able to testify. That's because Hugo had introduced something called the doctrine of chances. In other words, what are the chances that Felix Vale's first wife dies accidentally and then two significant others disappear off the face of the planet where he's the last one to ever see him alive?
What are the chances there's an innocent explanation for that? Zero, right? So if I can show a jury that Sharon disappeared under suspicious circumstances. and that Annette disappeared under suspicious circumstances. That's good evidence that Felix's claim, which is that Mary died accidentally, is crap. After Hugo delivered his closing statement, the jury left to deliberate. So the jury goes out and I'm talking to Mary Rose.
And she's asking me, how long do these things usually take? Because I've covered a number of cold cases that have gone to trial. I said, well, you don't anticipate, you know, anytime soon. And literally... While we are talking, we get word that they have a verdict. The jury found Felix Vale guilty of second-degree murder. Mary Rose remembers the moment.
My friend who went with me, we just held hands and squeezed our hands and just looked at each other and smiled and said, wow, this is really happening. It was a moment to cherish. Hugo had been confident the jury would see things his way. But getting the case this far hadn't been easy, or even likely. You've got Mary Rose not letting it go. God bless Mary Rose for what she did.
God bless Jerry Mitchell for listening to Mary Rose and knowing enough to agitate to come see the elected district attorney in Calcasieu Parish. God bless Ike Abshar for being willing to cooperate with us and giving us the photographs. God bless those several people that I talked to that when I caught them 40 years later, they said, yeah, he told me he murdered his wife. I mean, this is just.
I'm trying to describe how many different stars had to align for this to occur. Felix's sentencing happened a few months later. Jerry Mitchell was in the courtroom. He expected Felix to insist he was innocent or beg the judge for mercy. To Jerry's surprise, Felix talked mostly about him. He talked about me. He talked about that original piece that I wrote. And he said that I had gotten the idea for that piece from James Patterson novels. So after the hearing.
I turned to Will Horton, brother of Mary Horton Vale. I said, well, I guess I'm going to have to start reading those novels. Felix was sentenced to life without parole at the Louisiana State Penitentiary. As Jerry left the courtroom, he ran into the DA. And he says to me, Jerry, you find any other guilty sons of bitches, you just let me know. I'm like, okay, I will.
As we said in the first episode, Jerry had helped solve a number of Civil Rights-era cold cases decades after the crimes occurred. By the time Felix was convicted, 54 years had passed since the death of his first wife. According to Jerry, That makes it the oldest solved cold case in U.S. history, in which the perpetrator was still alive. In my last interview with Jerry, he was wearing a t-shirt with the phrase, Though he slay me, I will trust in him.
He said it's one of his favorite verses in the Bible, from the book of Job. A few times in our conversations, Jerry had told me that his job is simply to expose the truth. I asked him if his faith in God plays a role in his work as a journalist. If I'm writing about truth, that's what he wants me to do. I almost feel like my job as a reporter is really just a ministry of sorts, because that's what I think we're about.
in this role as journalists as best we can try to tell the truth to expose it and my prayer is always to God to let the truth be exposed and let justice be done If you have information, story tips, or feedback you'd like to share with the Gone South team, please email us at gonesouthpodcast at gmail.com. That's gonesouthpodcast at gmail.com.
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