When you started to ask that question, I thought you were going somewhere else with it. Have you ever signed an odd part of someone's body? And yes I did, Brad. Let me ask you a question, what's the strangest signature you've ever placed way too close to a woman's chest? Because I hit her in that spot with the ball, not on purpose, of course, it was in Hartford, hgart heart Ford. You hit her in the
heart pretty much. Yes. Her husband was adamant, like, please, she wants to be signed here, and I'm like, are you both sure there's a sheriff nearby. No, okay, So I signed her shirt very very close to where I shouldn't have. But she was adamant she wanted because she got hit with the golf ball right there on the fifteenth hole. And this was on the seventeenth tee. They caught up or followed our group for a couple holes and made that request. So you've got to give the people
what they want, right, I guess that's service. Hi, this is Stephen Anderson from Cincinnati, Ohio, and I play at Cedar Trace Golf Club. This is Golf Smarter number nine hundred and twenty five, wearing the wrong size glove is as bad as wearing wrong size shoes. With Carrie and Brad from Red Rooster Golf, this is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from great golf minds to help you lower your score and raise your golf IQ. Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome back to the Golf Smarter
podcast. Brad. Thank you, Fred. It's been a while. I can't remember the last time we spoke. I feel like it's been at least eight to ten months probably, But I appreciate you because you guys have been Yeah, appreciate you reaching back out. Yeah, of course. And it's great to have your partner in business here and your caddie Carrie mar Carrie. Great to have you back on the podcast as well. Thanks Fred, Yeah, great to see you. Congratulations. You guys have had a heck of
a year with redroostergolf dot com. And you're kind of like, you don't know this, but you're kind of like a good drug or is that a bad drug because the addiction is there. I've learned it's like, you know, it's really I never realized how much I needed to change my gloves on a regular basis until I started having a subscription to Red Rooster Golf, and so now I'm addicted to it, and it's like, oh, I've got a little, you know, a little bit of wear here on this glove.
Time to get rid of it, as opposed to it getting all sweaty and crinkly and drying up and standing up in the back of the car all by itself. So congratulations on a great product and a great service. Yeah, thanks, Fred, I mean, I mean, I think you're touching on the subscri scription. I think that's kind of how how we envisioned it. And you know, most of our customers buy gloves as as needed,
and I think that's kind of I think that's all of our intention. We all sort of believe that we'll make the right choice at the right time and make the right plans. But you know, the subscriptions there just for those of us that maybe can't be trusted to, you know, change the gloves often enough. In that way you can sort of put it on autopilot.
You can adjust it as needed, you know, monthly by monthly, quarterly, get as many as you need when you need them, and when they show up, it is often just kind of that reminder you know, is it time to change this out of there's nothing like you know, that feeling of a fresh glove, you know, to start around for sure. Yeah, but didn't What wasn't the original concept for your business model a subscription service?
And then what what helped you decide that it was like you needed to make some some moves here to say, you know, let's let's sell gloves to people who need them when they need them. No, it was it was always to be flexible. We there wasn't you know, we're the first subscription glove service, but we knew that that would just be that would cater
to a certain audience that we still believe it. You know that that probably is the best way to you know, use Red Rooster Gloves is to figure out, you know, how many gloves do you need, when do you need them? And then use the subscription service because you can make these adjustments as needed. But we always wanted people to have an option to buy a glove. You can buy them in bulk, you can you know, buy them on the regular. You know, a lot of our customers are set
up through we use a Shopify store. If you've set up through shop pay, it's as easy as a subscription service right to come to the site again and order another glove as a couple of clicks. So it is pretty simple. But now the main vision was that some people really need the subscription because I think, like I touched on, everyone intends to get gloves as needed, but often by the time you need one, you're having to run into a pro shop, maybe limited options, maybe they don't have your size,
usually pay a little bit too much. So it's just a way to kind of plan and more, a lot of golfers don't know when to change a glove, so it becomes that little nudge and reminder when a new glove pops in the mail. It's not that you have to use it right away, but often it it's you know, causes you to question, like, you know, what am I doing with this current glove? Do I need to squeeze a couple more rounds out of it? You know? Or is it
you know, beyond its useful life? And is it time to switch things up? And Brad can speak to kind of how often it was built off the idea that, like, you know, pros change their gloves out real often, but also most golf gloves are made for pros and then amateurs use them and squeeze more rounds out of them than they're really built for. Probably true, Brad. How often do the pros change gloves? I like, do they go multiple gloves in a round? It depends on the conditions.
Probably in the hot, sweaty humidity of the John Deere Classic in Iowa, absolutely you're going through a couple of gloves around. You'll have a couple on the hook on your bag, you know, drying out. But you know, every golfer has a certain spot where they get the sweat marks in the humidity. I think mine typically just goes on the top of the wrist and
it starts to creep up towards the velcro. And it's super important to make sure that you don't have a glove that's sweaty, which means then it'll start to dry out oddly and it gets crusty. Right, So failing that, I think I think a typical PGA tour player would probably play two competitive rounds with the glove. You know, not that I signed a ton of autographs when I played, but I did, and a lot of the times a kid would ask for the glove, and I'm like, absolutely, I'll sign
the glove. I'll give it to them. It's it's probably a little more memorable than a golf ball. A lot of times they'd ask for your hat. I had kids in the kids in Mexico and Panama City, Panama and Columbia would always ask for your shoes and your sunglasses. And I'm like, man, I've got a limit. I can't give away everything. I gotta play tomorrow. Right, I can give you a glove, that's no problem. Uh So, But yeah, I think the typical why why that region?
Why do you do? Say? You know the kids in this region, you're they they're a little more aggressive, and what they're asking, they're not shy to ask. That's absolutely please. Well you sign you're getting something you don't want to get if you're asking for my hanes, right, yeah, I talk about sweaty gloves. Yeah. I don't know exactly why it is, but they weren't shy to ask. But you know, you got to draw the line somewhere. So I'm like, hey, guys, golf
balls, gloves, no problem, anything else. You know, at the end of the round on Sunday, absolutely you can have my hat. It's really sweaty, but you can have my hat, no problem, but not you know, Thursday or Friday. But yeah, a typical player would go through a glove every two rounds. I think that's that's pretty common. Like Kerry said, you slip a glove on on the first tee, you know, they announce your name ready to hit your first t shot. It feels
awesome. I don't think anyone can deny that part. It's just a matter of cost, right for the average average golf or the consumer can't afford that. So that's why we make gloves that last a long time. And you know, you pointed out in our pre show like, hey, hey, your gloves last too long. Like you're in the glove business, you want to sell gloves. But I think in our view, it's hard to reinvent a golf glove, right, so you might as well be known for something.
And I think that we've really done a good job of delivering really good feel, but something that the consumer can say it doesn't last three or four rounds, at lasts eight to ten to twelve before I even think that I might need to change it. So I think we've delivered on that and given something unique to the recreational golfer. I think so too. I can probably go I guess around a dozen rounds before I start thinking about it. But it's also like, oh, but I got a new one in the mail.
Do I want to Oh no, I'm not ready. I'm just now. I want to go back to the second by giving autographs. Did you ever some kid come up to you saying, Hey, can I have your autograph? Did you ever say them, what's my name? Tell me who I am? Tell me who do you think you are getting an autograph from? Do you know who I am? No? Despite the rhetoric that you might hear these days with kind of the the rank and file of the tour, in my view, it was okay not to know who I am.
I think the biggest thing for a kid when they're at a PGA Tour event is that the player that he's current he or she is currently in front of is a PGA Tour player, Like, full stop, there's no I don't need to know his name. You know Rory and Tiger and all those guys, but you know, a guy in the field is still in the field. And I think the kids were that was their their mind right, that
that was where they were coming from. I will say when you when you started to ask that question, I thought you were going somewhere else with it. Have you ever signed an odd part of someone's body? And yes I did, Brad. Let me ask you a question. That's the strangest signature you've ever placed, way too close to a woman's chest because I hit her in that spot with the ball, not on purpose, of course, it was in Hartford. You know that drivable part four in Hartford, it's got
the water Heartford. You hit her in the heart pretty much. Yes. Her husband was adamant, like, she wants, she wants to be signed here, And I'm like, are you both sure? Like nobody's taken video anywhere I'm being punked. There's a sheriff nearby. No, okay, So I signed her shirt very very close to where I shouldn't have. But she was adamant. She wanted because she got hit with the golf ball right there on the fifteenth hole. And this was on the seventeenth tee. They caught
up or followed our group for a couple holes and made that request. So you've got to give the people what they want, right, Yeah, that's that's a good one. I really don't want to go any deeper than that. Let's just take a time out. We'll be back right after this.
Before we start our next segment, I want to thank both of you because you've been incredibly supportive of Golf Smarter and you have allowed us to make our Golf Smarter Ambassador program where we have listeners introduce each episode, tell us where they're from and where they play. And one of the gifts that that we've been regularly giving away, I have to honestly say the second most popular gift
behind the Tony Manzoni video, is the red rooster golf glove. And I really appreciate you guys allowing us to give those away on a regular basis. So thank you very much for supporting us. And yeah, it's great. The ambassadors are always excited as we follow up with them and try and figure out their you know, glove hand and size, and we send them the glove compartment as well, so that a spot to keep the gloves and rotate them. And and you know Brad was talking about this in the pre show.
We see a lot of repeat customers. You know, the glove makes an impression, it's it's quality and then they have a spot to house their gloves and to rotate them, you know, during the round. So it's been it's been great for us. We appreciate the shout out and it's nice to work with the ambassadors. They obviously appreciate it. Yeah. Absolutely. Let's talk about sizing for a minute now that you brought that up. What have you found out? What have you discovered that the consumer isn't aware of
when they're sizing themselves for gloves. We've done a number of we probably did fifteen to twenty events this year where we would be set up on typically a par three brought in to do like a glove giveaway, and I would say, I'm gonna estimate, you know, I don't know sixty seventy percent of the time the golfers leave with a different size, a size they they've never either never tried before or weren't aware of. And I'd say, typically it's
the cadet sizes. It's just so there's regular size. That's that's for a I'm a regular. That's a it's a symmetrical hand. It's sort of like call it the normal size. You know those come in you know, left and right, hand, you know, up to from small up to double xcel. And then then there's Cadet sizes, which is a slightly shorter finger and a slightly wider palm, and that that kind of that kind of hand.
I can kind of see it when they're coming up and it's just a different kind of hand, and so those gloves fit in a different way they need typically that that's for someone who normally says, hey, you know, with a regular glove, I have a little bit of extra leather on top of my fingers, and or I find the gloves to be really tight through the palm, and Cadet sizes is meant to kind of fit that particular kind of hand. And I'd say a lot of people just aren't aware of that
size option. It's not a particularly great name, right, Cadet. People think it's a kid's glove, so so they just stay away from it, and they, you know, are so when we're they are doing these fittings, I can often see that hand or I see them try a regular glove and I see that it's long in the fingers, or I see that it feels too tight, and I can give them a Cadet glove and I would
say that that's my experience. I'll lean on Brad He's done a lot of these events too, but it's usually it's it's moving them into a cadet size or exposing them to that. And then quite often they've got a glove that's at least a size too big, sometimes too. They just a glove, you know, a it comes in a wide range of sizes, like our gloves come in up to thirty four sizes, including women's and youths. WHOA.
So you know, most people are pretty happy with a run of them, you know, a large, but they've never tried a medium large, or they've never tried a medium large Cadet. And that's what I am. I'm a Cadet medium large, and I never understood why I always thought I had big hands. And then golf and I'm wearing a Cadet. I'm like, wait, it's a kids size. It's like, I never understood what it meant and why I have that size that works for me, and maybe
it doesn't work for me. I don't know. I did. That's the one I have. It feels the most snug and doesn't have that little extra piece of fabric at the tip of my fingers. Yeah, that's huge. It should be really really tight, like almost. I would say most people aren't willing to wear a glove that fits properly because it fits so tight and they often feel like, oh, this is too tight, and I'm often like, that's perfect, you know if it if it slides on really easily,
it's too big. You should have to pull that glove on at least, especially that first time. And most people want to slide one on easily. Go it fits relatively well. And what happens is, you know, it's soft leather, it stretches and two three rounds in. It's sloppy. And now you'll see that the telltale is when someone has to pull the glove strap it should when it fits well. Show you here, yeah, this is my this is the Sussex. So this is and for those of you
who are listening as an audio podcast, Brad's putting on a glove. If you couldn't tell the sound of elcrow, so there you can see that. Like, actually, the velcrow should only go roughly three cores the way across on the top, should not cover the full piece of velcro on the wrist. It should only cover about three quarters of it, that's what you're saying. And you can see how that fits in a nice and tight and most people say, oh, this is a little to let me go, you
know, let me go up one size. And now we'll often have to sort of talk them into this because where you'll see that a glove doesn't fitz. If you ever see someone who's got it pulled way over like that, that means that that glove was probably you know, it's too big, it's already stretched out, it never comes back right. So that that's kind of my take Brad. You've done, you know, as many or more of these events. What are your kind of takeaways on the fittings. Yeah.
I think first and foremost it's the misunderstanding or the not having knowledge of what cadet means. Like Fred said he thought it was a kid's size at first. I think that's what most people end up thinking. So when you first come to our website, we have this live chat function, and I'd say half of the new customers who are using that function will say, what's the difference between regular and cadet? So we explain that it's fairly easy to explain.
It's another for the person to actually know if they you know, because like you said, Fred, you thought you had a really big hand. Well, Cadet medium large is kind of in the middle of you know, we go small, medium, medium, large, large, excel, so you're kind of right in the middle. Average hand size, right, I think the most obvious hand and carry alluded to it is when the guy who probably lays bricks for a living comes up to the T box and you can
see it. It's the construction hand, you know, real thick palm, shorter, wider fingers. You can tell. We sometimes refer to it callous as the tradesman's hand, right, you know, it does it for a living. His hands take a beating and they've kind of been call those journeymen. In that case, i'd wear a Cadet size. But but yeah, I think first and foremost it's the difference between regular and Cadet can be fairly
stark. And then, as Carrie said again, a lot of just men, forty year old men come up to the tee and say, yep, I'm a large, and I'll look at the hand and I'll say, eh, let's try a medium large, And then that might be too big. And I think Carrie can speak to this. I think he had. I don't know if it's a TV appearance carry or a podcast where you fit the guy and he's worn a large his whole life, and I think you got him into a medium, which is two sizes. He was a medium.
Yeah, he was a medium. He played for fifteen years. He was adamant that, you know, that's what he was. And as soon as I met him and shook his hand, it was a cadet hand. I just and so we moved him down. We tried, he tried. He put on a medium large, it was huge. He put on the medium, like this is what you're wearing. It was still big, long in the fingers, and it was tight in the palm. And that's why he was stuck on that size because it was tight through the palm area and he
needed the cadet and then he needed to go down. So he ended up we fit him on a He was a cadet small WO. So he moved down a size and into cadet And I'd say more often than not, that's where those fittings go. They're fun for us because most people haven't tried the range of sizes, and a lot of golfers, even you know, somebody is a really good golfer. He's been playing golf for fifteen years and he's always had a glove that doesn't quite fit. And when he got that proper
fit, he was kind of blown away. He's like, this is a really different feel, and now you can really feel that club in your hands. You know, golf's a game of confidence and having a glove that fits you really well. If for a long time you've been wearing a glove that just doesn't quite fit and feel great, that's not you know, that's not a great way to to start around. So those little adjustments, those those go a long way. And we do see that a lot too with our
you know, free shipping, free exchanges. We do a lot of coaching, you know, back and forth by email, live chat. When people get you know, say their first gloves and they need they don't fit,
you know, we we coach them through what that adjustment should be. And that's that's a lot of fun for us too, because once they find that fit and they find the right glove for them, and especially with us, we've got this wide range of different styles, then there it's a it's a big change for them because I'd say, you know, lots of golfers have
never probably been properly fit for a golf glove. So that's that's been kind of a rewarding interaction for us. I think that the second thing that I noticed from from these glove fittings is that, uh, people are all willing to share. Like, hey, I blow out the palm of this glove all the time. It happens all the time, at lasts a couple of rounds and then the palm blows out. And part of that is the glove
fit. Like Carrie said, a bigger glove will get sloppy, and all of a sudden, when you're swinging the club at one hundred miles an hour, give or take, that handle's moving fast, right, and the grip is rubber, sometimes it's cord, and it's taking a toll on the leather on the glove. And one of the other things that we notice is that a lot of people hold the club, especially drivers, too far up the
grip. If you don't see any part of your grip coming out of your if you're right handed, if you don't see any part of the grip coming out of your left hand, then that butt of the grip is going to kill the palm of your glove. If it's stuck kind of, if it's not going quite past for better or worse your wrist, then it's going to be massacring the palm of your glove. And that's a good friend of both carry and ies. He's a he's a huge supporter of ours. His name
is Scott. He's about a fifteen handicap, his twelve handicap up in Toronto, Canada. And the first thing he ever said to me when we started a glove company was I bloke through gloves like crazy. And we played a couple months later and I said, well, the butt of your grip is in your palm. That's why. So he chose, I mean to him, it's choking up, right, he feels like he's choking up. He's not choking up. He's just using more of the grip and putting it in
the proper spot. And all of a sudden his gloves last fifteen to twenty rounds now. So it's and he shouldn't. He shouldn't be getting longer shafts. Correct, your handicap will go up. Well, you know, one of the things with Scott is the very tall guy six foot, so he did need longer clubs. He was extending his club right. His driver was basically too short for him, so he was going farther up the grip and all of a sudden it was in his palm and going through gloves like crazy.
So that's that's another adjustment that you know, you don't like to give people too many, you know, golf tips in the middle of a round, but at these glove fittings you can say, hey, if you blow
through gloves, this is a good reason why. Well, and you're at an event, at a fitting, it's not during the round, so you can suggest that that's exactly right, you know, Like for me my life, my business, I hear voices and I'm like, oh, I have a sense of what region you're from in the world, Like you know, Carrie, you give it away all the time. You're Canadian, right, But did you ever think you'd be in a business where you say, shake someone's hand and you're like, oh, nice hands, Okay, oh you're
a medium that medium large? Are you? Yes? It's like, wait a minute, what do you do? No? I never did, but yeah, now it is a bit of a sickness now, like when I'm shaking hands, I am like, I'm away your glove size Unlike he's a regular. See, yeah, he's a regularly. He's probably a medium large and there's no support groups for that, not yet. Hi. My name is Carrie and I like to hold hands. Yeah, my wife, they may need to start one. We're going to take another break. We'll bit
right back. So let's talk about your year. It's been just over years since we last spoke to you, too, and you're still in business. I love it. I love that you're still in business. And we did bump into each other at the PGA show last January. You guys were scoping it out, just walking around talking to people and stuff. Let's talk about what twenty twenty three was for you and what's going to be happening in twenty twenty four. How exciting? Yeah, I mean it was amazing. Yeah,
it was fun to fun to catch up at the PGASH show. That was my first and as mine mine too. Are you going to head back not this year? Okay, it worked out for me last year because again it's cross country, it's not an inexpensive trip. I'm a podcaster and uh I was in Florida for a family wedding, so I'm like, I'm just going to stick around and do the PGA show. It was a blast,
but it's it was not what I thought it was going to be. Although I probably need a couple more shows to really get to figure out what it is. But that was for me. Talk about you. Yeah, I mean it's a it's a bit of an overwhelming experience, but yes, it's good. We're trying to you know, strike up some partnerships and get a sense of of just even the you know, the industry. I even liked
a lot of the different breakout sessions. There was a lot of good sort of industry knowledge, you know, like what are the trends, where things headed? You know, how's the Did you learn anything in any of those sessions or people that you met that you walked away going we need to make a change in our We need to make an adjustment here moving forward because of what we just learned. Was there any of that? My biggest takeaway was
how many simulator companies were there. Yeah, and there was a really great breakout. It was put on by a National Golf Foundation. It showed the you know, it was the they call it the green grass golf versus the off course, and you know between the top golf and these indoor simulators, how that was really growing and how that segment looked like there was a great opportunity there, and we had developed this glove that's been it's been our second
most popular glove out here. It's our range rooster, and it was built for practice. It was built for this purpose of like, hey, save these beautiful leather gloves for the golf course when you're going to the driving range and when you're practic this thing. Use this. It's a it's made of a stretchy synthetic material, super durable. You can even wash this glove, so wow. So it's good for months. Some guys, you know,
get most season backyard, Yeah exactly. And so but this has also been you know, this is a simulator glove because it's sort of the same thing when you play simulator golf. You you can play eighteen holes in an hour and you're you know, the cadence, there's no walking between shots and so on. You know, you hit one, you hit another. It's a it's a much more like a range session slash practice session where it's just it's a lot of repetition. Hand gets hot, you're not taking that glove off
and on, so you need something that's a bit more durable. So that was I think a key insight for us that that you know, really position this glove is. Yes, it's it's meant for practice. It is meant to kind of like save the soft leather gloves, but it's great for that purpose of like you will go into a simulator session, you will put a glove on, and you're not probably going to take it off for the next hour, and so you need a glove that's going to be able to like
handle that much. You know that many you know hits, but also like your hand's going to heat up. So this glove is really great at like pulling the moisture out. It's this kind of like feels like a stretchy suede, super durable, and and you develop that after the PGA show, No, we we had it, just you had it. You just realize, but we realize, like, hey, it's you know, are useful this this is probably it's it's probably built better for simulator golf than it is even
for the driving range. I'd say probably simulators becoming the driving range in a lot of cases, and in other cases it's become the it is golf For a lot of people, they just you can time box it. You can play if you can play eighteen holes in twelve in in an hour, or it's a lot more time box then you know the commitment of an eighteen hole
round or even nine holes. Well, also for what you and I talked about off mic was that I play golf twelve months a year because of where I live, and you can't, right, right, people who only get to play five months a year. Sure, Yeah, that was probably the biggest takeaway. There was just that well similar thing and building some products for
it. I think the other one was just that we've always wanted to have this for our subscribers and for our you know, if you like our gloves, we want to be able to have a suite of gloves, so everything from a practice glove to your tournament glove, which was the Sussex glove that I showed you. It is our thinnest, softest glove. So mostly our gloves are built to be super durable. This is the glove that you know is the exception to that rule. It's built for feel and it's meant for
those special rounds. We've got our gloves. God saved my life yesterday. Okay, I'm like, I'm just not even gonna take them off. I have left and right rain gloves. Yeah, and I'm just not gonna take it on. And I'm like, I'm thinking, putts now to wait a minute, what's going on here? You know, the first hour and a half of our around yesterday rain and then it was a beautiful day. But it was like, I'm just gonna go right to my red black, red
rooster gloves. That's it, the rain rooster fred Those have been great because everybody needs a set of rain gloves. Like you're you're gonna you're gonna have days where it rains and so you need, you know, gloves for that, so you so you're prepared. We've been super happy with that glove. And then we just we just rolled out our you know, our sort of cart mit slash. Oh you know a winter This is you know, really nice, uh fleece inside. You can even put like a hot pocket in
here on a super cold day. Smart. They're waterproof and what's the name of that one. I believe that we call these the lobster claws, what was the final name. That was my suggestion, But we just released these this week, so we built those with a great partner, and yeah, we wanted to build. So that was another one where we looked at and said, you know, you could make a winter glove, a glove that is warmer, slightly thicker, and you could wear it in you know,
those really cold days, maybe in the thirties and forties. But we just felt like, you still want to play with feel, and the best thing to do is keep your hands warm, you know, with these cart mits, and when you get to your shot, take these off. Use a proper glove with good feel, hit your shot and move on. Versus a warmer, thicker glove that you can barely feel the club in. Maybe your
hands are warm, but it's tough to score and actually play. So yeah, thank you for that clarification, because I'm thinking, how do you swing a yeah with that thing on? Hey, Fred, let me let me ask you a question about our ring gloves. Did you have I'm sorry, Brad, I'm the one who asked the question, Kerrie, so go ahead. I lost my train of thought for a second. No, I'm good at that did you have any experience with brain gloves before you tried ours,
and what's your experience when they get wet? Were you trying to protect them? Because I know how the idea that we built them with was, you know, you got to try to keep them dry, like you don't have to make you know, the crazy effort to do so. But they do. They work better somewhat dry, like you're not sticking them in the cooler like you would with other companies that say, hey, get these soaking wet
and they perform amazing. But I'd be interested in your feedback because we've had, you know, people go to Scotland and say these are the best things ever. I did have a guy that went to Bandon a couple of weeks ago and he said, well, they got super super wet and they weren't
the best thing that I've ever tried. So I was like, we need to figure out and I think we know the answer already, but we need to figure out kind of how to position these as what's the best way that they work, and to talk through it with customers like you is probably the best way to do it. Oh interesting, So I didn't take them off like I said, I even putt with them and then and the rain was about an hour and a half. I never had an issue with the clubs
slipping. I you know, I hate when when the grips on clubs get wet. So I don't even like laying my putter down on the ground right on the on the on the grip. So I'll take the head cover and you know, use that as a stand, or my give a tool and use it as a stand so the glove the grips don't get onto the ground to get moist at all. And so again the grip was never compromised.
But after let's see, we were on the hole seventh or eighth hole, I finally decided I'm going to pull the glove off just to give my hand a break because my hand was wet, which I was really surprised how moist my hand was. And yet I didn't feel like the glove was being compromised as far as losing its grip. So I aired them out for you know, in between holes as I was walking, and put them back on and kept them on until I think the eleventh or twelfth hole. Okay, so
that makes that makes a lot of sense. I answered your oh, you totally did. So they're not they're not waterproof. They're not meant to be to keep your hands dry. They're meant to perform, you know, on your golf shots. So we're not protecting your body. We're trying to help you play better, better golf. Right, So so yeah, I think just hearing that solidifies what we need maybe need to do a little bit better job of, and our messaging for the rain rooster is, which is these
aren't meant to keep your hands dry. It was kind of the compromise at the end, so we did like five iterations of these, and there was lots of different materials, so we in the end we put this this nylon between the fingers and it allows for like a little bit of breathe ability, but it was also it was mostly a feel thing. We wanted the gloves to really like and we wanted to have this really thin pomp. So it's
a very thin palm so it has really good contact. It's got these silicone roosters for grip, but it's a very thin glove and because of this, we were able to seal this up. When we sealed it up, the
glove was kind of bomb proof. So nothing got in, but we also found like hands got really really hot and nothing also kind of got out, and the glove felt like hotter and warmer and thicker and it was So that was the compromise we ended up making, as we were like, Okay, it's not sealed, so because of that, some water can actually get in it. I do kind of take mine on and off even while I play.
I love the field, but it's you know, if we could make two versions, there probably would be the like secure waterproof one, but that one's really for those days where it's like it's battle golf, right and you're when it's raining that hard, it's home, it's it's a struggle anyway. And yeah, it feel one's more for that like round where it's it's going to be raining and you still need to be able to like have a glove that holds up and still like performs for you versus the like torrential downpour.
Yeah, I feel like if you're playing in the rain and it's going to compromise the way you play, that means you probably have to play like you're you're playing for a reason, you're playing for score. It's a tournament, it's a member, guest, whatever it is, you can't go home. So in that case, we wanted to make something for performance and not you know, one hundred percent, well, I just want to stay dry.
Well, if you really want to stay dry, you're probably going home, right if it's that bad, Like you said, Fred, So I think I think that I don't want to call it a compromise. I want to call it we're we're making gloves for people to help them play their best. And so with the with the rain rooster, and like carry said, it took forever to or what felt like forever, to come up with the ideal rain glove, because I've played rain gloves that are frankly not great and the
feel is compromised and it was hard to play well. So I think, if again, you want to be known for something right, And in this case, it's like I'm taking these to Bandon, to Ireland, to Scotland and using them because I want to play well on my golf trip. I don't want to just have the experience of being there. I want to play well. And so that that was kind of well, Brad, how many guys on tour would wear rain gloves? You know, the tournament round.
The guy that I think of right away as Michelson, he was never shy to break out both gloves right, left hand right. I tried to once for one hole in a Q school actually, and I made a double bogie on the easiest part four you've ever you'll ever see, and I just thought, this is the worst feel. I can't it's not working. I've never had a glove on my right hand before, and I never want to have a glove on my right hand ever again. So I'm an exclusive and it
became a mental thing. Yeah that's going to kill you, right, Yeah, So left hand only for me for rain gloves, and it just feels so important, even more so in the rain because, like you said, Fred can't stand the wet grips can't stand like I just it drives me nuts as well. So that was kind of our thought process with it, and it came out really really well. They're so popular. We think that's yeah, it's been a home run. Yeah no, And I just love well.
Mine are black with the red little roosters on it, and I got that just after I returned from my trip to Japan in twenty twenty two, and it was like perfect. It looks Japanese. I love it all right. We're going to take another time out and when we come back, we will get to twenty twenty four and talk about what's happened in Red Rooster Golf
in the coming twelve months. We'll be back after this. This week on Golf Smarter, Mulligan's is a fascinating conversation with Mike Peterson, who trained to compete for the Olympics to Caflon, but turned his focus toward the biomechanics of the golf swing. Now many of us experience some pain after a round of golf, but here Mike helps us to isolate and identify exactly where it's coming
from. I want you to really get inside your body, and as you're swinging and hitting a ball, there might be a sensation, there might be a pinching fuel, there might be a tight feeling, or there might be pain. At certain points, you can start narrowing down what's causing that pain in your golf swing, even without having a teaching pro. Think of your body for a second. So when you hit that ball, are you experiencing
pain at impact? If it's that impact, is it a risk, is it a knee, a hip, lower back, and then from there, take a look at the position your body's at, you know, kind of slow down a little bit and say, wow, you know, my hips they seem what we're kind of jammed up. And then boy, that back hurts right there on that lower right side. Well, your hips aren't clearing,
your hips aren't rotate. But I would say if you're getting back into the swing of things, you truly have to go to the range at least one time and just casually leisurely hit some balls just to kind of see what you got, see how your body responds to it, and then typically the next day you'll know from a conditioning standpoint if you got something wrong. Originally published in May of twenty twelve as Golf Smarter for members only, episode three
hundred and thirty four. This is the first time that we've ever shared at publicly, so you don't want to miss at this time. That's episode two hundred and forty one of Golf Smarter Mulligans with Mike Peterson talking about how to hit longer drives and hit the ball more efficiently, all while being pain free
when playing golf. So if you like the variety of topics and guests that we provide here at Golf Smarter. Then don't miss the chance to get insights, advice and the gamut of conversations around golf twice each week with Golf Smarter and Golf Smarter Mulligans. They're both available for free from wherever you're listening right now, Brad, as we're having this conversation, we're getting a chance look at each other. You wear a wedding ring, a wedding band on your
left hand, I do. Do you wear it when you play golf? Not a chance. I've actually lost this is a very expensive three dollars rubber ring. Because I've lost two fairly expensive wedding bands and I wasn't going down the road of a third one. But even the rubber one I can't wear when I play golf. The last time I tried wasn't It wasn't too long ago. It was about six eight months ago, and on my home course, I was five over after four holes and I thought, that's not your
game, that's not my game. So I put it away. And the funny part is I haven't lost the rubber one ever, and you, frustratingly, it'll always find its way back. I had a good I had a good system. I lost the first one at Sea Island on the PGA tour. Unfortunately, I had a good system where you know, you have your your credentials and you have the lanyard on, and I'd take the lanyard off
and I put the ring so the lanyard went in between it. I'd wrap it around the credential, put it in my bag, can't lose it, and somewhere from locker room to first tea it disappeared. And lost the other one in my home club about a year and a half later, and that was that. It was a sign, It was a sign to go. You know, I think my wife bought these four for twelve dollars on Amazon, and just the symbolic nature of it, right, that's it. I lost my wedding ring on a golf trip. I was like, I know,
I wait, I know. When I took it off. I never found it again. And we had our wedding rings custom made. Luckily, I found the woman who had made them, who had moved to South Carolina, and she made me a duplicate. So I now rarely wear it. Well, I never wear it if I'm playing. Have systems of all right, I'm going to put it here, but try to remember before you leave the house, put it in the drawer and just leave it there. So so, anyway, last week my wife lost her wedding and had nothing to
do with golf. And since then, I've taken mine off and I haven't put it. But don't tell her. My wife doesn't even let me have my wedding band. She's like, you can't be trusted with us. Ouch. I would just I would leave. I would have my wedding and you have four kids and you can't be trusted with a wedding band. It's okay, smart move. I didn't fight her on it. I don't know how I haven't lost it, but it would be in my I remember time.
It would be in my golf bag for like the entire summer. I would just take it and put it in there, and I would just leave it. She's like, somebody's gonna take your bag, and so now and her purview and that's probably be a safe spot. All right, let's get to twenty twenty four. What do you guys got coming up? What's gonna happen with Because you know you've got you've been growing since you started this company. It's really been impressive to watch and excited to hear what you got coming up
next. Yeah, I think we're always coming up with the seasonal gloves. Those are always a hit. Anything new, fun, you know, fun colors and styles. I think what we realized this past year is that golfers really love to match their their glove to their outfit. And so we dabbled with with a couple of different products and one of them that was a real home run for us was actually socks. So we we we met this partner
at the PGA Show and we made a custom sock with them. We put it that we've been done done a lot of collaboration with our our audience. So when we're thinking of a new product, we do a lot of surveys. They tell us what they're looking for. Socks was one that was on the radar, like a good pair of you know, ankle socks for golf, and so we had looked at it was you know, a survey. We asked, you know, were there any recommendations, and it was sort
of all over the place. There wasn't kind of like us saw company that that jumped out, Just like with gloves, when we ask you know, what's your favorite glove, it was all over the place. So so we've we made this, uh made these ankle socks and and honestly, I thought they were the best socks I've ever had. There was a real nice mix. It was mostly sort of like a nylon, so they got a bit of stretch to them. They're super durable, really comfortable, great moisture wicking
all that. And so we're going to dabble a little bit more in that. Just those we we did that collaboration. Those we we I think it was like three or four hundred of them. They flew in a couple of weeks. Just makes a nice compliment. They actually ship really well with our gloves, so that it's it's a nice add on. Everybody can probably use a couple new pairs of socks every year. So yeah, absolutely, so that that that one's been, that one's been a good one. And how
many sizes do you have it? Well, then that's the nice part is coming to universal size. So uh, I think you can get one bigger like an XCEL, but literally come in a in an universal size. So I'm sure they're Yeah, they call it the seven to eleven. They call it so pretty pretty broad plays to the middle. So it's simple obviously, like our gloves are pretty complicated what we're trying to do there, And you know, we we spoke. We rounded out our suite of gloves. We've
got our you know, our practice glove. We've got our performance line with how they have a little bit more stretched through the knuckles and through the palm, with our our cape and silky gloves, and then we've got our wide range of we call it our classic line. Those are you know, one hundred percent Cabretta leather, are super durable, great feel. This past year we launched the Sussex, So that was our tournament glove. We were we were lacking that. We didn't have that, you know, that thin soft
glove. You know, we've got the rain Rooster. Now we've got the you know, the cart Mits, Winter Mits, and then I think, you know, we we've always had the glove compartment. That's been a hit, you know, Fred, with your audience. That's what they get with
love. Yeah, when we when we give to our golf Smarter ambassadors, they get a glove and the gloves storage compartment, which I think is so great I love having it in my bag because it's not the only thing I keep in there, but it is, you know, gloves or sleeves, you know, like I have the kind of sleeves that are just pull up because I don't like wearing long sleeved shirts because I always get too hot. But if it's just a little too cool, I can just put those leaves
on. So I put that my glove storage department. Nice. And I also keep one of those little pads that heat up, you know, of your feet get cool. You know what you go also put in the apartment as your wedding ring zips up. Yeah, when I put it back on, if you can find it, no, I know where it is. I know where it is. And then this is our our lot. This
is sort of a compliment to the to the to the glove compartment. So that was one of those things when you held something up at our listening audience you said this, and they don't know what you sure, So that this isn't we call this word carry it's a it's a glove wallet, we'll call it. So it's a it's a higher end version of the glove compartment, the glove compartment. Say that you know, it's great because it's got the
velcrow on both sides. You can rotate gloves during the round. You can hang it on your bag, or you can put it in your bag, so it's got this is more meant to be, you know, a spot to keep those gloves flat and dry between rounds, so you can preserve them. It's also not you can slide it into the side of your bag. You can keep it in your locker. So it's just another version. It
can be customized. We're working with some partners. This is obviously heavy red rooster branding, but it could have you know, a club's logo, or it could be set up for a member, guest, something that's a little bit more customized. And and it doesn't hang on your bag. That's the one. Some people love the glove compartment, but they don't want something on the outside of their bag they've got maybe they've already got towel and you know,
Rangefinder, et cetera. So this is a sort of answer to that. Great great and the branding is always there and it's a it's a great logo. The branding is so right on and consistent. I love that. Also Head Covers did you did I see head covers on your website. Yeah. We we have a mix of accessories. You've got some hats and you
know, towels and headcovers and those have all sold really well. Just you know, some nice branding there's just you know, we've done some collaborations with you know, Stitch on a golf bag and with Precision Pro on a range finder. It never helps, you know, you know, never hurts to get your your brand out there. We love to see you know, the headcovers usually the you know, the best sort of visibility you can you can get on a golf bag. So we've come up with some some fun things
there. But you know, we'll probably sold fifty thousand golf gloves this past year. So it's golf gloves are what we do. That that's that's our bread and butter. That's our core, you know, and we love our
other accessories. They're they're great, but we you know, are our main thing is to continue to focus on our on our you know, repeat customers, subscribers and otherwise that you know that love our gloves and we want to be able to offer them any glove they'll need for for any occasion, any weather any you know, a tournament round, a practice round, a golf simula. So we feel really comfortable with the line of gloves, the suite of gloves, and always coming up with, you know, some fun colors
and style those types of things, just seasonally to complement it. But you say seasonally, you mean like depending on a tour, like a master's colors, think that kind of seasonal. Yeah, you're right, exactly. Okay, Okay, Well, listen, there's still plenty to talk about about in regards to your product line. So let's take one last break and we'll be back for our last segment. Do you have any big brimmed hats. We're
working on a bucket hat. I have to say, and this is one of those soap boxes that I get on, but I really really wish the PGA would step up and stop promoting baseball caps because it's not healthy compared to a big brim hat exposing the sides of your face usually if you put sunscreens on. If you put on sunscreen, you just put it on your face, but you're not covering your neck, you're not covering your ears, you're
not covering the back of your neck. And big brims, big brim hats will do that, and I really think that the PGA should step up and say we need to be a little more health conscious here. But that's my own soapbox. Yeah, I mean, I'm a redhead, so I'm a big brim guy. I got the I got the solar sleeves and because I don't like to, you know, I have to wear sunscreen, but but I like to, you know, protect myself. And so we are working
on so we'll share some designs with you. We're having some fun with it. We I'd love to see it, but no, it's important too right to have to have some options. And it is a bit surprising that there's not more, you know, I mean really just Joel Damon is but the only guy. And even that exactly relative. That's not a wide brim hat. It's it's more than a bucket. Though it is more than a bucket. Yeah. Yeah. My own personal experience with wide brim hats ended around
when I was thirteen, fourteen years old. Back then it was the Greg Norman Shark at right, and all I found was that on my that's on my uh yeah, it looked really great in it, as you can imagine. But everything I always found was that in my through swing, I would hit it with the shaft of my club and it would get you know, flicked off my head or whatever. And after about a week, I just thought to myself, time for as not it's not working. Yeah, I
could see that. It just that that's just what it was. I mean, honestly, Fred, you're talking to the two whitest guys you probably know, and Carrie and I, so we are very familiar with the the sun
and its effects. I wear a ton of sunscreen, always have had to, and so but but I I hear what you're saying, because yeah, late later in life, it's not super unexpected, right, you go to that dermatologist and they're just saying, well, here, here, here, and here, we're going to burn these off for you before they get any I made some I made. I made a series of videos for a dermatology
office and I had to interview all these people who had skin cancer. And it's like, you know, people who loved being out in the sun growing up and we're never you know, using sunscreen, are never wearing big hats, and now it's like they have to and it's like it's just a simple preventative thing to do. So yeah, yeah, turned my head. So yeah, I just I'm not a fan of the baseball cap because of it. Okay. And then the other thing going on with Red Rooster Golf is
you guys do a podcast. We do, and and as we talked about on the pre show, Fred, it's a lot harder than we thought it was going to be. So we had exactly we had a vision of doing what was it, Carrie once every two weeks, and I'd say at least we were we knew I was like, you know, I think we can do every two weeks. Certainly like once a week was an impossibility. Were at least we sort of figured that out. But from the very start we were scrambling. Yep, you know, it was just it felt like every
two weeks we were like under the gun. Everything was coming down to the wire. And so we ended up, you know, sort of taking the summer off. We were so busy and doing so many different things. We knew we just sort of couldn't keep up with it. And then we came back to it this fall with once a month, and we just feel like that's what's reasonable for us. We really love the idea I actually really enjoy it. It is a lot of work, but I just love the long
form nature of it. There's just a storytelling element. There isn't there isn't a medium like it. And I love podcasts, you know, I love yours, and you know, there are just a few that that I listened to on an ongoing basis. I find it relaxing. I love to walk and put my or even go. You know, this morning, I went for a run and I love to listen to a podcast when I exercise and
do some different things. So I think it is a great medium. And we wanted to have some sort of connection to our audience, and I think we've found that like that cadence of once a month is feasible for us. It is a big undertaking. So we definitely appreciate what you're doing and how you're doing it. Yeah, there's here's the secret for me to be able to do it weekly empty nest right, just so I find if the kids were still around, it would be not possible to do this every week on
no way. And I think our idea of what we wanted our podcast to be was, you know, half on the product update, development feedback side of it, and then also we want to get guests from the goal world, and we've had a few guys on. We had Adam had went on PGA Tour player Roger Sloane who who just made a was about a twelve footer on the seventy second hole of the Corn Fairy Tour final event to get his
card for next year on the PGA Tour. We had him on last a couple of weeks ago, and just those kind of stories are also, you know, it's outside of the business world of golf, but also super prevalent, you know, because so many people watch professional golf, they aspire to play better, and these guys have some really great insights on what they're feeling when they're you know, in the arena right and you get some surprising answers
sometimes. Oh, I was always very honest about I was proverbiably doing stuff in my pants a lot of the time while I was playing PGA Tour events. And I think it was Roger Sloane who who said it was five man playoff at the window, maybe a six man playoffs a couple of years ago, and it was you know, Adam Scott, Kevin Kisner, Kevin nah the list of players was impressive, and he said, man, I was so calm. I didn't know why, but I was so calm, And
I'm thinking that's odd. It was odd to me because it was the biggest moment of his entire career, without a doubt, and all these players have all this pedigree and he's sitting there like, h, this is fun and
that's how you play your best. How you get there is a mystery, right, And I think that's just an interesting part of golf competitive sports, you know, and it's unique to golf because it's just you alone with your thoughts and you can't react in the moment like you can with hockey or baseball or football. Those are all reaction sports, right, and golf is so different and so unique in that regard. So it's fun to hear the guys
like that talk about what they're feeling. I've always wanted to talk to Steph Curry about his golf game. And it's like, you know, you're so when you're on the basketball court and you do something big, you're like getting the crowd fired up and you get all, you know, cheerleader, and you get in somebody's face and you're trash talking. You can't do that on
a golf courner. How is he able to make, you know, to calm himself down to get to a place in golf where he's able to play successfully and not do How does you know if he did this stuff on the basketball court, if he would do that on the golf course, it would be a complete people would not want to play. Honestly. It's probably why baseball pitchers tend to be really good golfers, because they are alone by themselves and they have to think through their cadence of pitches, right and think about
the batter that's in front of them. And obviously they have coaches and you know the catchers kind of tell yeah, but they only play every fifth day. True that too, so they get to play golf during the day when everybody else. That's a really good point. I didn't think that way. Yeah, that's why. Yeah, I've always I've always the middle reliever.
Well he's that he could be there every days. The starting pictures, starting pictures best the best job in the world, right, Well, if you can get they are most of the guys, like the best guys in that you know, the celebrity tournament out in in Reno are quite often. Yeah, former starting pitcher, Yeah, John Small, the Tahoe one, yeah, John Great, Mark Mulder played for the A's. You would know that it's the one that Curry hit the hole and won this pass. That's right.
Yeah, that was That was super cool. That was amazing. That was amazing. Anyway, Well, it's great to talk to you guys. It was wonderful to have you back, and again I really appreciate your continued support of Golf Smarter. Oh, before you go, Carrie, what podcasts you listen to? What can you recommend? I I go all over the place. I love uh, I love Dax Shepherd's podcast. It's just sort of wide ranging. I like I like listening to Ink magazine. They do
a lot of different like founder stories and I love yours. And then we have a couple of other partners group Golf Therapy. They do a great podcast on sort of the mental side of golf. And and then another great partner with the par Train, a couple of of sort of a sort of low handicap and a scratch golfer and sort of their journey. So I like a wide range stuff. I love audio, audio, audio books and uh, wow, and it's kind of hard to do both. Uh. Yeah,
I try to find the time. I used to be a big reader and now i'm you know, I don't read as much, but I like to kind of like walk and listen. So uh and yeah. Audible used to be a sponsor of podcasts. Yeah, in the early days of podcasting, they were big on it, and then they realized you either listen to podcasts or you listen to audio books. But it's hard to do both. Sure, both of those into your life. Yeah, so yeah, yeah. If I can recommend a podcast I'm listening to right now, I'm just absolutely
blown away by it. It's Soledad O'Brien from MSNBC and Rob Reiner are doing a weekly podcast called Who Killed jfk Oh. It's so good, oh man, And it's all about how Lee Harvey Oswald There's no possible way, you know, they're calling the greatest murder mystery of all time. There's no possible way that Lee Harvey Oswald acted alone. And when you start learning about the Who's a CIA operative, You're like, oh, okay, that's me. Yeah, so that's my recommend. Okay, all right, Brad, do
you you know did you see it on my face? Fred? Is that? What is that? What happened? I'll say this? And when you left the rooms, Brad, I kind of figured. As Carrie was talking there about what he likes, I was going through my head. Why don't I listened to podcasts. I've always been a fiction reader, always been fascinated with spy novels, government machinations, stuff like that. And I think it's
because my career was so I don't want to say out in front. It was just the day to day grind was was so not tiring physically, but tiring mentally, and I just wanted to escape. And so I was just a big fiction reader. So I have not delved into podcasts, like, not one single bit. I was a frequent guest on a radio show here in Raleigh, North Carolina, on a sports radio show. The two guys became good friends. They got let go, as what happens in the radio
industry, they immediately started a podcast. I really hate the guy who replaced them at three o'clock and guess what I listened to in the car. I listened to the guy at three o'clock because I can't figure out podcasting on my phone I can't figure it out. It's not hard, I know, but the transition from I get a text, I get a phone call, it's interrupted. I have to go back Fred, I can't do it. Stick to golf. I'm just a golfer. I'm just a all right guys.
Well again, thank you again for your support and for continuing to allow us to give away the red Rooster glove and glove storage compartment to all of our Golf Smarter ambassadors who introduced an episode as we heard at the beginning of this show, and continued continued success and good luck. And I guess maybe in twenty twenty five we'll talk about the companies that are trying to buy man, let's find out we're trying to buy. That's right, let's fast forward to
that year. That sounds fun. We'll definitely come on for that one. As you may have noticed from our newest Golf Smarter Ambassador, Stephen Anderson from Cincinnati, Ohio, at the beginning of the show, he recorded his episode opening at home and then emailed me the file. Could you hear the difference? Here's Stephen again. This is Golf Smarter number nine hundred and twenty five, and now here's last week's Ambassador, John Dobson of Juaukee, Iowa,
that he recorded on our toll free listener line. This is Golf Smarter number nine hundred twenty four. Not only is the quality radically different in my ears, but I can understand now why. Stephen says that besides his obsession with golf, he also does voiceover work. In my email exchange with him, Stephen said that he goes to the Masters every year because of an amazing grandpa that was on the wait list for thirty years before he got tickets in the
late eighties. He also claimed that he found golf Smarter because he was sick of being okay at golf. Thank you, Steven, and how's this for lucky timing. Stephen chose to receive a new glove and glove storage compartment from Brad and Kerrie at redroostergolf dot Com after today's conversation. I hope that you too will sign up to become a Golf Smarter Ambassador by recording an upcoming show opening to receive a free gift of your choice that could include Redroostergolf dot Com.
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