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to understand that every day stands on its own merits. Why it happens that someday you have total control over your game, and other days you can't do anything right. Well, those days when you can't do anything right, you basically want to cut your losses. You, Hey, this is going to be one of the tough days. All I can do is play one shot at the time and don't get upset with my shot. If you don't do that, you're going to get really frustrated. You're going to continue to push
your chemistry to even love levels. Let's just say a golfer who can shoot in the eighties, he's going to get so frustrated he's going to end up coming in shooting in the hundreds. Whereas if people had kept his cool, he would have least come in at the nineties. And you can say, well, gee goes make it a difference. I show an OIDI instead of an eighty, Hey, nineties a lot better than a hundred. You have to put it into perspective. The Mental Keys to Improve your Golf with Michael
Anthony. This is Golf Smarter sharing tips and insights from golfers and golf professionals to help lower your score. It's worked for your host, Fred Green. It's so nice for me to say, welcome back to Golf Smarter. Michael. It's good to be back. I tell you I missed you. Oh thank you boy. You know. And if anybody is not familiar with Michael Anthony's work on the Mental Keys to Improve your Golf Michael, go check out Smarter Tips in iTunes. Michael and I recorded for a full year, and
he put out fifty six episodes every single week for a full year. That I'm telling you, if you went back today and started at his first and went all the way through and all the other tips as well, you are going to be a more efficient golfer. But I pause because I want to say there's more to it than golf. It's life itself and how you approach things. Because Michael's work is so good, and I just am really happy to have you back, to take it from ground one and build it back
up. Okay, Fred, thank you for that wonderful introduction. I've been, you know, out there, just working away, working away, and I've since we last talked. I don't know how many more thousands of golfers that I helped lower their score. And it ranges, you know, from guys that are scratch golfers to people that never have broken one hundred. Matter of fact, if you could, I'm a web I just put a new testimony go up there, and he says, Michael, he says, I've
been playing golf since I've been eighteen years old. He says, now I'm fifty seven years old. He says, I never broke a hundred during that period of time. Wait wait, wait, wait wait, this guy's been playing golf for almost fifty years, let's call it forty years, and he's never broken a hundred, never broke a hundred. So why did he keep going? I guess the love of the game, the frustration. Oh my
god, Well, good for him. And with the work that he did on your stuff, Well what he did, He says, I'm honored to tell you that I've shot in eighty nine today. Wow. He goes from never breaking a hundred to an eighty nine. He says, I couldn't believe in my wilders dreams that I could read a book and see those results.
Unbelievable. Well, I'm I'm absolutely convinced. I think that's part of the reason why the name Golf Smarter means more than to me than just the show, that it is a of approaching the whole game, and that from the very first episode I ever did of Golf Smarter, I had a firm belief and I've, luckily I've had this substantiated by so many instructors that if you have a strong mental game and you understand strategy, you're going to lower your
scores. And you could you can lower your score almost instantly when you understand what you're trying to accomplish with the mental game. And let me kind of clue the audience in, Yeah, let's let's build this up. Let's please give us the background of how you approach this. Well, I'm just gonna
throw the whole enchalada out there right now, it's very quick. The whole goal of the mental game is to create a mental state that will optimize the chemistry of the brain that will allow you to perform in the zone at your highest level of mechanical proficiency. And the whole key is the chemistry of the
brain. Very few people are focusing in on the on the mystery of the brain, and it's becoming common knowledge nowadays that you know as the chemistry changes, your performance changes as you're and when people don't realize is that for every thought you have, your thought has two components, facts and emotions. When you play around the golf, you've experienced many, many, many facts. Now, the way the brain is set up, it's programmed to repeat,
it's passed. And so anytime you had a fact while you were playing, and if you got angrier or if you had fear with your negative emotions, you lower your chemistry, take away from your ability to perform. Now put this into context, imagine the golfer playing around a GoF and he faces water. Water is nothing more than a fact. Now if he's attached to emotion, oh my god, I'm going to hit it into the water now, he lowered his chemistry. He had fear of hitting into the water. He's
going to reach the probability of hitting it into the water. Now once he hits it into the water, now he's angry with himself because he hit it into the water angers another negative effect. So when he goes to hit his next shot, you know his chemistry is even lower. And so it's a cycle downward than people wonder, well, gee, it's such a frustrating game. It's because you're not controlling your emotions. You're letting your emotions control you
out and it controls the chemistry, which affects your performance. Well. And I frequently will laugh under my breath when people are like, oh god, I always hit it in the water here. And so you know, as he steps up to the ball, he goes, don't hit it in the water. And then of course he you know, he's thinking too much about
it, and he hits it in the water. And I said, you realize that the last three words you said to yourself were hit it in the water, or four words hit it in The five words hit it in the water went no, I said, don't hit it in the water. I
know you bring it in here. The don't said, hit it into the water and let me get throughout a couple more pieces, you know, Fred, So you know it's as I mentioned before, the key is to become aware that your emotions affect the chemistry of the brain, which definitely affects your performance, because in sports, you can't deny that when you're negative, you don't play as well as when you're positive. As a matter of fact, when you're playing at your best, you're not even thinking. It's all in
the flow state. You know, all of the zone. Now, the reason it's so hard to change your past programming is that the brain starts working at a very early age. Six months after conception. Your brain starts recording everything that goes on around you while you're in your mother's womb, when you come out into this world, through your entire life right up to this present conversation we're having that the golfers are listening to being recorded by the brain.
And the importance of the recording of the brain is that it's your database. Whenever you go to make a decision of what to do, to bring quickly reviews what is what you've done in your past, And I call it your tape going back in the old days when they had tape recorders. Whatever is on that tape is going to be played back. And so if you have a history of seeing water and having fear, that's going to play back. If you hit it in the water, you have a history of being anger,
that's going to play it back. And so we're talking about becoming aware of what is on your tape, because your tape has all your positive and all your negatives, and your tape doesn't care what you do. It just wants you to repeat what you've done. Does that makes sense rad to me? It does, It always has. That's why I've enjoyed speaking to you so much. Yeah, and you sit there and it's such a simple thing.
You can change your performance almost overnight just primarily reducing the amount of negative emotions that you have. And sometimes after around the golf its your emotion's got a hold of you. You have a chance to review what happened that day, and your brain is sitting there looking at at it, and all of
a sudden, hey, you're reviewing what it's going on. And so you take a look at all of those shots where you had, you know, fear or where you had anger, where you had frustrations, where you had doubt, and you talk to yourself, Hey, tape, next time I play around of golf, when I come to the water, I'm not going to think about the outcome. I'm just going to take a couple of deep breaths x heal, hit the ball and see what happened. And the tape
is saying, what the heck's he doing? He's telling me how to behave the next time I play. And if you do this over and over and over, what you're doing is you're preprogramming your brain your tape, because when you go to sleep at night, your brain has to review what did I do in the morning between waking up and going to sleep, Because while you're sleeping, your brain is readjusting everything you've done in relationship to your past, so I can decide how to behave when you wake up in the morning.
So Whila, The best time to reprogram and improve your mental game is while you're sleeping. The easy way to change your game is to do it just before you go to sleep it's been five minutes, and tell your brain how you want to behave, and while you're sleeping, it will be reprogramming itself to respond. But that that requires work. I mean, it's not like you can just do this once and you're gonna wake up and everything's better, right. This is an ongoing process, sure, because the tape wants to
do what you've done in the past. You know, you've you've done that for three days in a row and then you stop for one day. At very far, we're going back to the old way. It's going to take
your right back to where you were. So if you're not constantly monitoring your thoughts and the most and there's no way you're going to be able to reprogram the tape because the tape will take a look at what you've just done and what you've done in the past, and if you do only put one percent of work in the present, it's going to use that ninety nine percent of the past to bring you back to where you were. And so there's you know, I always say, first you work, then you get paid.
Really is that the way it's supposed to work. And one of the whole keys is desire. I'll talk about people. I said, hey, if you don't have a strong desire, you're kidding yourself. And they said, oh, I have a desire to lower my score and that's fine, Well, how much action are you taking? Uh, you know, that's just a wish. If you have a desire and you're not doing any work,
we're putting it in an action. You're just kidding yourself. And most golfers wish they could shoot lower scores, but they really don't have a strong desire. People want, And I bet you there are people who are saying, of course I have the desire. I had one hundred balls three times a week. Well, just to think of all the opportunity you had to learn a hundred different shots to learn what were my emotions during those hundred shots.
They're doing it all on the range, and they're all doing it on a physical part, and that's you know, mostly if they're not even taking lessons, they're just building If mescle memory is a fact or not, they're just repeating bad habits, repeating what's on the tape, because the tape is programmed to have you repeat the past. So you got to You've got several elements we talked about. Now One, we talked about you have to have strong
desire to make you know, to do something different. Number two, you have to realize your program to repeat what is on your tape, your pass and number three, all of those facts that are on your tape. If you've attached negative emotions to it, you've lowered your chemistry, taken away from your ability to perform. Now let's throw another key out there. Goals. There are two types of goals. There's an outcome goal and then there's the
process goal. And people say, well, what's the difference. So let's make it real simple. If you want to go across the streets, that's a desired outcome. So how do you do it. Well, you point yourself in the right direction, you look both ways to make sure there's no traffic, and then you take one step at the time until you make it across the street. So taking one step at the time is the process. Now, guess what, if you don't make those steps, will you ever
make it across the street. But if you do both make those steps, will you make it across the street? Yes? So people say that's not bring science. Ila said, well, love when I work with an athlete, especially I worked with the Olympians that went on to build the silver medals in the Olympics, where you get the golfers that want to lower their score and you tell them, okay, first goal is you want to win a gold medal only one in the world. Okay, you want to be the
best golfer in the world. You want to win a tournament, you want to lower your handicap. These are all outcomes. Now how do you do it? Well, you do it by doing the process. When it comes to golf, first, it's a very highly perfitched mechanical skill. You got to take lessons to find to get the proper mechanics. So you've got to do the mechanics properly. And if you're overweight and out of shape, you
know that's going to take away from your ability to perform. So you got to start getting into physical shape, you know, exercising to bring it down. And then the next thing is strategy. Are you going to take shots that have a low probability or high probability depending upon your mechanical proficiency. So you've got three different things already, and then number four is the mental game. You've got to start reducing your negative emotions and increasing the positives. Now,
those four components are the process. Now guess what if you can do the process better than anybody else who's going to win you. Okay, so why worry about winning or losing? All you want to do, Put all your attentionent on focusing on the process. Now. The good thing about this because you've hear everybody talk about forget about the outcome, get into the process.
But they don't tell you why. Because the whole key is if you're totally involved in the present and you're not concerned about the outcome, because you figure, why bother, I'm just worried about improved, because if I improve, I'm going to win. Now. Back in the old days, the samurai warrior days, they were highly skilled in martial arts and they were trained
to perform without concern about living or dying. Because as soon as you start thinking about living or dying, you're you know, you're worrying about the outcome. You're opening yourself up to the fear of getting hurt and boom, you know, there goes your performance. You're at the window. Now. Golf is not life and death situation. But look at what's happening right now. And I'm doing youtubes now. I don't know if I've told you this or
not. I've got a couple of in the can and if people you go to my website mental keys dot com, there's a little link to go to my my youtubes. And I'm kind of explaining this as I go along. And the last one was about the tape and the one that I'll be doing within the next couple of days. It's all about outcome versus process, goal and to make it timely. Tiger Woods was one of my favorite models in the past because he was such an example of everything going right in the world
of golf. The last couple of years, he's had a couple of Hea Cups and everybody's wondering he's going to get back up there, and he's been working really hard when his mental game. Matter of fact, people actually he's working on his mechanics are saying he's spending too much time on the mechanics. He should just get back into the game. And you look at his frustrations. He's still playing really well, but you know he's been throwing clubs,
spinning on the green, real bad behavior. And I look and I said, oh my god, you guys so consumed, you know, with the outcome. And so I watched him play Sunday and he made that miracle shot on sixteen. Yeah, and you're talking, you're referring, you know, I'm not sure exactly when this is going to be published, but we're referring
to the Memorial tournament when he made that miracle shot. So it wasn't this so that Sunday, Yeah, on the Sunday of the memorial, will say Sunday in the memorial, right, so you know, so now you know he won, and he will say, oh wow, is he going to come back for the US So and we're kind of got to get this on the air soon to make it timely. So anyway I'm looking at right now,
who's going to win? Is his tape going to win? Or is Tagger going to That's the component because his tape has it where when he is concerned about the outcome and he misses his shot or two shots, all of a sudden, you can see the anger coming in which takes him out of the process. And so that's what I'm concerned about. We're not concerned.
I'm going to be watching, you know, during the open if he makes a couple of bad shots, if his anger comes to the surface and he can't get rid of it in a hurry, he doesn't have a prayer. But if he can overcome and get back into the present, get back into the process, he's got a real good chance of being the old tagger Woods. And so that's his battle. His battle is going to be with his
tape. Is he's going to go back to the last two or three years of being angry when he misses, where he's going to realize, hey, I'm so good if I miss a shot out, who cares. Well, Let's forget about Tiger for a minute, because I think that that's a microcosm of what's going on in general with golfers. And you can have, like Tiger has displayed in the past, the most remarkable mental game and mental toughness
that ever has been considered. But what if things are just not and this is golf, right, what if things are just not going right that day? And as much as you try to slow yourself down, to close your eyes, to take your breath, to visualize, whatever you need to do to get yourself away from that, it continues to happen. And I know this has happened to me. I know this has happened to everybody. How do you work around that? Okay, you have to understand that the tournament
is four days, it's not one day. Well, I'm not talking about I'm talking about us. I'm talking about, you know, not the tournament players. I'm talking about the average golfer who is a golf smarter listener. Tiger's not listening to this. So Tiger, you suck. I know he's not listening. You just you know, you just have to understand that every day stands on its own Meritskay. Why it happens that someday you can get up in that ball and you have total control over over your game, and
other days you get up and you can't do anything right. Exactly, Okay, Now those on those days when you can't do anything right, you basically want to cut your losses. You're gonna say, this is going to be one of the tough days. All I can do is play one shot at the time and don't get upset with with with my shots, because if you
don't do that, you're going to get really frustrated. You're going to continue to push your chemistry to even lower levels, and you'll, let's just say, a golfer who can shoot in the eighties, he's going to get so frustrated. He's going to end up coming and shooting in the hundreds, whereas if he would have kept his cool, he would have least have come in at the nineties. And you can say, well, gee, you know, doesn't make it a difference, So I shoot a ninety instead of an
eighty. Hey, nineties a lot better than a hundred. You have to put it into perspective. And you may say well because and then you start taking a look at your handicap. Your handicapped isn't one day, It's all the days added up, and then divide it. And so you have to start realizing, Okay, some days, if I'm shooting in the eighties, I'm going to shoot nineties, and I'll shoot in the seventies and it'll come out in the eighties. Or I'll shoot the high eighties in the low eighties,
it'll eventually come out to so I'm shooting eighty five. You have to get used to what is on your tape and your highs and your lows, and play in that area. Otherwise, when you start shooting a high score, you're going to really start getting down on yourself. You lower your chemistry much lower than it could be and your score is going to be much higher than you could have come in with because, after all, you know, if you're shooting eighty five, coming in with an eighty nine is not eighty
five, but it's a lot better than in ninety nine. And you also have to accept the fact that golf, you know, for a recreational average golfer, you can have a ten to fifteen stroke swing on any given day. You have to accept that you're not going to get better every single round, don't you true. You have to understand, well, this is a great example way back when I was like when I was younger, I grew up in Baltimore, and Baltimore Orioles used to have great teams at that time.
If you grew up there, how come you call Baltimore? I don't know. Isn't it supposed to be called Balmer Balmore? I guess I've an ad on the West coast too long. Now it's Balmer Balmar. Well, there was a Balmore, you know for those you know, the baseball players, Jim Palmer. He was a Hall of Famer pitch pitcher. Ye Earl Weaver was his manager at the time. Rook Robinson was playing third right yep, and Bogue Pale was on first. And you know why they called him
boog right? Well, do you not know that story? No? I love these asides because I have a d D. But yeah, when his when he was growing up, his dad called him a little booger. Oh wow, and so his nickname ended up being boog Boom. There's your baseball trivia one on one for the day. Next. I'm sorry, I go back to back ring, back when you were talking about the swings of the highs and the lows of the average golfer. But here's a Hall of Famer.
And he knew when that old days, when he had his stuff and when he didn't have his stuff, and when Earl Weaver had him penciled in, you're going to be pitching on Sunday. And when Sunday came and he said, oh, I'm not going to have my stuff today. He would say, Earl, take me out. I don't want to pitch and said, what do you mean your schedule? He says he's going to win my stats. He said, I'm not going to pitch. And he used to drive Earl Weaver crazy. Wow, well it was easy to drive Earl Weaver
crazy. Well, you know, can you imagine here was a Hall of Famer that knew that some days you would have it and some days he wouldn't. That's fascinating. You know, the average golfer out there come off of it. Some days you're going to have it and some days you're not. But you know, if you're scheduled to play golf, you know you can need to say I'm not going to play gouse. I don't have it today, or do you go out there and have fun and coming with the best
score you can buy at least keeping your emotions in check. Well, of course, And then you know, for a baseball player who has a guaranteed contract, and when Palmer was playing, they weren't making fifty million dollars a year, but you know, guaranteed contract, coach, I can't pitch today, take me out. But a golfer, he doesn't play, he doesn't get paid, right, and even if he does pay play, he may not get paid. And for the recreational golfer, we're paying to play.
So it's hard to say, you know what, I know, I've only played five holes, guys, but I don't have it today. I'm leaving right, everyone's going to like, what are you crazy? Then what do you do? You know you don't have it, but you got it, you got to stick it out. Well, that's when you say, well, let's see how good my mental game is going to be today. Let's see if I can finish it up being positive on every single shot. Let's
start using the four step routine. Four step routine, another great thing number one, feedback, number two, relax number three, prepare number four, instinctive execution. So you're out there playing, you don't have your stuff. You make one bad shot after another. If you're just focusing on the score of the outcome, you're going to become a very miserable, frustrated person and wish you didn't even play that day. But if you're using the four step
routine, you're playing one shot at a time. And so what you do. Let's say, hit a bad shot. Take a look at that bad shot. Okay, Now why was it bad? You take a look on your mechanics. Well, maybe because I was still angry for my last shot. Whatever it was. You say, what could I do better the next time? And then maybe the only thing is I can have a better attitude on my next shot. So you made a decision on the feedback your attitude. With that, let's have a better attitude. So then you have a
chance to relax. You talk to your bodies what a rotten shot that was, But you know what, at least keep my attitude strong. So then
number that's to his feet with a relaxed number three is preparation. You're walking to the ball, you're taking a look at the distance to lie, the club, selection, weather conditions, and you say, we got this all squared away now, instead of thinking about how bad the day is going, let's just say, you know what, I can take the attitude glass full of glass, half full of glass, half empty, And right now my attitude is a glass is half empty because every shot has been dead. So
why don't we change your attitude and see what's going to happen. Let's just say, hey, I don't care what's going to happen. I'm just going to have a good attitude. I'm going to step up there, hit that ball and see what happens with a good attitude. And so you get up there, hit the ball. Guess what you're gonna find out You're going to have more good shots having a good attitude than when you have a bad attitude
and then you know. So you get your number four feet, you have your range in an instant execution, and then you go back up the number one feedback. Okay, what was the feedback? You take a look, what was my attitude on that shot? Well, it was better, but it wasn't really good. So you do the whole process again, or my next shot, I'm going to make sure my attitude is good. So all of a sudden, you're not worrying about the score. You're worring You're focusing
on improving your attitude. So by the end of the day, you've had all of those opportunities to improve your gratitude. And if you walk off with a bad score and a good attitude, guess what you won that day? Yeah? Yeah, And listen, if you're not scoring, well, your attitude is going to go down. So stop looking at your scorecard, damn it. Yeah, and just start focusing on, yeah, changing your chemistry, and you would find out that, wow, all of a sudden things
work out. Well. Here's another thing that's an interesting phenomena. The guys on tour. They're very good players. If you look historically, if a person comes out of the gate and he shoots in the low sixties, sixty one, sixty two, sixty three. Wow, you know what the odds are that he's going to not break seventy the next day? Oh? Is that true? Odds are against him to have another good round eighty extent, But almost eighty percent of the time they're going to shoot in the seventies.
Is that right? Yeah? Check it out. It was almost fored me when I saw it. And the reason why, yeah, why is that it's amazing because they get so involved. Oh my god, I shot a great score because if I could do that the next day, I'm going to win this thing. So they go from process oriented to total outcome oriented. Guess what happens after they make one or two bad shots the next day?
Their attitude goes down, right, score goes up. But these guys have These guys have confidence in themselves, and confidence is so key as well, but attitude can really shake that up. Sure. And what happens is people say what comes first? Confidence or success opens always comes first, because if you're depending upon your success, you're depending upon the outside world create your confidence. Now, what happens if all of a sudden you get a couple of
bad breaks. Oh you know, where's your success disappears, Your confidence disappears round Robin Dow. Whereas if you have an attitude, I don't care what the outside world is. I am the man. Nothing's going to shake me because I know it's just a matter of time till I can turn my game around. It's a whole different world. You're not concerned about the outcome. You know that you're good and it's just a matter of time for the probabilities
to come into line. Because while you're keeping that attitude, you're keeping your chemistry high, increasing your probability of success because your performance is going to be higher right now. You know, some of these great players like I forget who it was, a basketball player, and you know he said, when you go, oh for twelve shooting, he said, what do you think? He said, well, I think the average is going to come on my side off feel real good about that. And he said, well,
what if you go for twelve for twelve? He's what do you think that he's want? I think it's my dayude gets highed. It is no matter what happens, my attitude is always there. Early on in the life of golf smarter. I had an opportunity to go play at a tournament where there were a lot of former NBA players, and I was walking around with my microphone now and I remember asking them, you know and talking about, you know, a mental approach or you know, having a good, strong mental
approach to it. And and I have found that professional athletes are like, what what do you mean mental game? You know, It's like, I don't think that I'm going to lose or do poorly. Ever, I'm always going to go right out at it and and give it my all every single time. I'm not going to like, hmm, should I should I lay up on this one. I'm going for it. I'm always going for it. That makes me laugh. You talk about, you know what the mental
game, mister October baseball player, who was there? Reggie Jackson, Okay, nineteen seventy seven, three home runs, three pitches. This was back in the early eighties when I first started working using the mental training program. You know, the thing that I worked with, but the chemistry of the brain. And back in the early eighties, people didn't even know about the chemistry of the brain. It was just like a luck you're the man from
the runner. Right. So I'm down at pomp And Springs. I'm doing some work with some golfers down there, and I think it was the h he was playing with the Giants or Dodgers. Who Reggie Jackson, Yeah, in the well he went from in the eighties, he was at the Angels by that point. I think he went from the Oakland A's to the Yankees, and I think it was the Angels. Okay, So anyway, their team is down Palm Springs, you know, yeah, I think that was
the Angels spring training. So I get along the fence and he's out on the outfield. This is right to Jackson, I said, you know, this guy was having a little slump or something like that, and I said him to call him over, you know, pump him up and you know, try to go on his coattails. So I called him over, Rightgie, come here. Sure enough, he comes running over to me. What's up? I says, hey, I do mental training. He said, mental training. He got so mad at me. He said, you go
to those young kids, you don't come. He was insult Yeah, he had a he had a way when he was in uniform. He was not the friendliest person in the world. But it was amazing that I had so much confidence in myself. I said, come in here. He came over. Wow, that's pretty good. That's pretty good. That's pretty good.
Well, Michael Listen, could we do another recording, another interview for Golf Smarter members, because you know, this is why it was so easy for us to do fifty six weeks a row of episodes, because I I could talk about swinging canix. You know only so much, and you know, and i'd seem to, but I can talk about the mental game a lot, and I think it's so so important for the average golfer who doesn't have the time or the commitment to to practice as much as they want. But
I really think the mental game is so important. Could you come back and we do a Golf Smart for members only. I'd be happy to come back. On one condition. Okay, I can plug Mental Keys dot Com. No, sorry, you can't do that. Also, Michael has just the two books, Mental Golf Tips and The Mental Keys to Improve Your Golf. Michael's books are not difficult to get through. They're not thick, but they resonate very deeply with every person who's ever read it. As his stories testify.
I have a lot more questions for you. And it's interesting because of all the time we've talked, stuff keeps coming up. And that's what I love about having conversations with you. And I want to talk about personality types with you and how that affects it as well. So let's schedule something and
we'll just as far as the listener's concerned. You're going to be back on the next episode Golf Smarter for members only, and if you're not a member, you're not going to hear it. So please join today, Michael, Thanks so much, my pleasure. Fred