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podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never Gets Old. Our interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations like this that are no longer available in any podcast app because the ball popped ups like, oh, yeah, well I got under it, so I definitely teeed it up to it, and it's like, no, I don't think so. Yeah, when you pop it up, you need to peet higher. What yeah, well, first of all, you're too steep on the golf ball, so your Anglo attack coming into
the golf balls too steep. If you teed up higher, you feel more round in your golf swing. That's kind of what you're trying to do with a player. When you teed up higher, you're trying to get them swing more around, like a tilted ferris wheel. And I have it with my care after a little boy is that he'll teed up as high as he can get it with his little driver. That he has, and the swing is flatter and flatter and flatter. So the higher he pet it, the flatter
the swing gets, and the better he starts hitting it. It's funny because I try and give the amount of information to my students as much as I would give to my son. And that's kind of where we're going with this, to try and give them as little information as I can to get them hitting the ball straighter and further, you start giving too much information to some of the students and they get just more and more and more confused. And when they leave a lesson, they have two or three things to work on,
and that's it. Popping up your t shirts tee it up higher with Frank O'Connell. This is Golf Smarter, sharing tips and insights from golfers and golf professionals to help lower your score. It's worked for your host, Fred Green. Welcome to Golf Smarter for members only. Frank, Hi, how are you? I'm fine, dude? How you doing awesome? I'm I'm in beautiful Lake Tahoe. It's about I don't know, sixty one degrees out and the sun is out so and it's gonna get warmer, right, that's
right. Better than most of my friends in Phoenix, that's for sure. So you recently moved to the course at Incline and you're you're teaching up there, right, you came from the Phoenix area, where you were teaching for quite a while. Yeah, I've been down in Phoenix for quite some time. I originally started teaching with Scott Sackett, one of my huge mentors. Taught me pretty much everything I know about about teaching and then really got me
playing, playing really good. So that's kind of where I knew my calling was. I was a head pro for one year of course in Phoenix, and then realized that teaching was kind of my forte. So I hipped up with Scott, and I've been teaching now for I'd say sixteen years now so and just have finally found a facility where all I do is teach all day. So it's uh, it's a great, great position. And then on top of that, putting it up in Lake Tahoe, it couldn't be better.
Yeah, right, right, So you don't you don't miss running a golf shop. Huh, No, I cannot. I do not miss running a golf shop. It's all about the teaching. Well, listen, we're gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna bug you about trying to get Scott on the show as well. If he was your mentor, then why am I talking to you? Oh? Absolutely? Yeah, right, you know, you take the beat, you take the B plus guy. But when the A plus guy is available, he can give him, give him a shot. I'll
tell him the getting your info and we'll go from there. Awesome, Thank you very much. You got what's uh? So, I don't want to spend a lot of time talking about the course at Incline. Although I really enjoyed it, it was a tough walk the day I played because it was quite warm, and I even had a golf Smarter listener Golf Smarter member come
out from Reno and join me. That was absolutely wonderful. But we you and I shot some video before I went out on my round of golf, and it is now up an available on the golf Smarter TV channel at YouTube or at golf smarter dot com. And I really want to talk about this because we focused on straightening out your drives right, and that seems to be a classic problem even on the tour level. Yeah, you know, you
have a lot of guys out there. I think the biggest mistake that most players we'll get into, regardless of what level they're on, is just their overall set up, posture and alignment, and alignment being a huge part of that just because of the way that you're looking at your target. If you're actually aiming, you know, fifteen twenty yards right of your target, and you don't realize it. You hit a ball that's right where you're aiming,
and it goes and you're thinking it should be going left. Now you start making swing problems. Now you start developing swing problems, they should say, so you start pulling it left or pushing it right, so you know, I think the big thing for the listeners to understand is that you can only
judge ballflight with proper alignment. So if your alignment's bad, then you're going to be and if you don't pay attention to that, then you're going to be kind of an uphill battle from trying to fix your golf swing when it's really not a problem. And is that truly the case that a lot of people think their golf swing is the problem. Absolutely? And there's more. Yeah, I have fixed I fixed a lot of golf swings over the past, you know, ten weeks that I've been here in Tahoe where I just
put down alignment sticks. I have this little device called the Swinky, and we set that up for them and they realize where they're aiming and they just start hitting it. The big thing that that I let people know is that the swing, the path of the golf club is a byproduct of what the body's doing. So how your body is rotating and how your body is turning will will determine to some degree the path of your golf club. Keep going,
I'm I'm I don't think you're finished with that thought. I want to So when when when they're starting to swing and they start making swing changes with what's going on and they don't realize that, you know, the way that their body's pivoting and moving is the big, big, huge thing. You
know. Working with Scott, the one thing that Scott always told us as teachers is that you know, we are decent players, and you know we you know, there's there's things that we've done that we could accomplish more than the guys that we're teaching. Is He's never he never told us to say you know, use yourself as an example of here's what I do. More or less, throw it to the the student of well, here's what the
guys on tour do, and this is what we're doing. So the one thing that I try and do is get you started and looking like a tour player at address, and get you finished like a tour player. So start like a tour player, finish like a tour player. That's something that everybody can do. They can swing on balance with a good finish, So those things are hard to do. You know, if you're swinging way over the top or way from the inside, your bounce is going to be all tilted.
So it's it's big time posture ball position with driving the ball in the fairway, you know, because hitting the ball in the fairway that puts us on the offense instead of you know, hitting it out of the rough and now we're playing just defensively. You know, to hit the ball close. Obviously, it's a big advantage hitting the ball in the fairway. I mean, look what Adam Scott did the first three days. I mean he drove it fifty yards on average, further than Tiger. And you know a couple
of hiccups coming down the stretch on Sunday. But you know, so those are the things that he did really really well for all three days. He hit it in the fairway and that's why he had such a dramatic and a big lead going into Sunday because he drove it good, right. And obviously, if somebody's been listening to this now in September of twenty twelve, we're actually referring to the Open Championship or the British Open of twenty twelve for Adam
Scott. And you know, do I want to talk about Adam Scott? You know, did he choke or is that golf? That's golf? Yeah, that's what I thought. I didn't, you know, I don't people like, oh man, he blew it. It's like no, No, he bogied a couple of holes in a row, but it was bad timing. Yeah, I don't think he choked. I think he just that's golf. No, he had a couple of bad bounces balls that kind of hit in the fairway and then rolled into those blunckers. But he missed that one
little short cut. But you know, we've all been there as far as whether you're shooting in the nineties or in the sixties. You know, that one shot, you know, and that's all he needed. You know, there was one shot the first day he bet he could take back, so, you know, just kind of golf and chalk it up and play the
next day. And what the other part it that that's golf. Which is so awesome about the tour is that when Ernie made that putt on eighteen, I'm you know, you can hear fist pumps going all over the world like, yes, he made it. You know, you got so excited for you were like rooting for Ernie at that moment. And then when Adam had that final putt, all you had to do was make that one putt and it wasn't a difficult putt to make to go into the playoff. And it's
like, oh, we all felt the pain. But talk about feeling the pain. How about the oh boy, now I'm gonna I'm gonna space it out here. That drive, Oh that Graham McDowell, right, that just kind of almost killed some people from the fairway, not the drive, the fairway shot. Yeah, yeah, his second his second shot in that part five that oh you know, what can you do that I remember I played. I played in a tournament one time. I just hit a gold top.
I hit it twenty yards off the tee. But I think that's good for golf because I think all golfers go, wait a minute, I do that. Hey, you know those guys are really good. But I can do that too. Yeah, in your mind. Yeah, when your mind starts thinking of other stuff than what you're trying to do and it starts wandering around, there's you know, all these guys. I mean, you go
to the twenty twelve Masters where the guy's shaking on twelve. I want to get back to the couple of things that you have discussed, and that would be the set up posture alignment. And then I also want to pick on you for bringing up the word target. But let's can we break down set up posture alignment, you know, piece by piece and walk us through how you believe is the correct way to be doing this. Yeah, I would
say figuring out your posture. I have a three by five foot mirror that I teach with that sits in my teaching station down here, and when I put someone in a posture that they're kind of going, God, this feels so uncomfortable. And then I pull the mirror over and they look at it, and then I pull up a tour player positioning. They're like, oh, I look the same as him. And then right away that doesn't you know, it doesn't seem weird to them anymore. The feeling of the uncomfortableness
goes away. So working on your setup and getting yourself set up into the right positioning in front of a mirror. The big thing that we're trying to do with posturing is that what we notice with a lot of the tour players is that the angle that they make from the hip joint and their spine is right around forty five degrees. So that's something that you want to look for.
And then from there we drop the arms. We let the arms hanging like loose noodles, and then from there you give yourself a little bit of neflex. And the one thing that you'll see a lot of amateurs not do is what we call spine tilts. Now, the spine tilt is not a it's not a shoulder tilt, it's a spine tilt. So the spine tilts
anywhere from two or averages anywhere from two to ten degrees. So you get that little bit of tilty setting yourself behind the golf ball, and then from there, you know, anything that we're going to do with power we need to get behind. So once we have that good setup, there's there's our posturing over the golf ball and then making sure that we're we're aiming and we're
lined up into our target and looking at our target. Now from there, I'm going to stop you for a second before you go to the next next spot and hold that thought. But I want to come back to it,
but I want to spine tilt. So now we're talking about a left to right tilt, not a forward to back correct exactly, and it's not and this is you just you know, a light bulb went off in my head when you said that, because I have seen, I have noticed I try to do that little bit of making it so like there's a straight line from my left foot all the way up to my shoulder, but little slightly, you know, like tilted. But it's not a tilt from the waist nook.
Like if you took a club like a five iron and a four and a longer club placed it directly on your sternum so it went right down the middle of your body and you just bent, you bend from the hips, so you get your forty five degrees. And then if the if that club then HiT's the inside of your front leg. That's your spine tilt. That's the amount of tilt that you're looking for, because if you think of the shoulders and the spine, it's just like a key. It's like the letter
T. And then all you're doing is just tilting it. That's it mm hmm. So you're just putting that tea on a tilt with a little bit of bend. And then from there, now you you know, you kind of go around, look yourself in the mirror, and you get starting, you get yourself much more comfortable. I mean, having this mirror on the range is you know, there's two things I have out there. I have an impact bag and I have a I have two scales, and I have
the mirror. So I got three things on the range, impact bag, the scales, and the mirror. And on the range, I got a bucket of ball and I got five things. Yeah I'm sorry, go ahead, so you know, and then so from there to give these just to give those people that little bit of feel is what we're looking for. You know, they they learn mostly from visual anesthetics and then you know verbal and you know, if you ask my wife, I remember about four percent of
whatever she says, so verbal just doesn't work. Well. Luckily, this is a member's only show, so she won't hear that that you that you just admitted that, and nobody I want nobody of the Golf Smarter audience to repeat that, because you're gonna get called on it if you do. I swear, Dar, I only hear about four percent of things that you ever say to me. I tried, I really try. Oh yeah, sure, uh huh yeah. I try to listen, but it's only four percent.
I really try for eight percent. You know, big our wedding anniversary, her birthday, and then my kid's birthdays, and that's pretty much. That's about all I can remember. Yeah, and don't forget you have to pick up the kids after school today. Yeah, right, absolutely, Okay, so now let's let's talk about Uh now we got the tilt out of the way. Now I want to talk about the forward bend, you know, your posture getting over the ball. The thing that I have trouble understanding
whether this is correct or not. Is the arch in the back. Some it looks like a lot of people stick their butt way out, and then there's others who tuck their butt in. Yeah right, hell you got that bend. Yeah. Basically, what you're doing is you're bending from the hip socket. So we're not bending at the waist. We're bending at the hip socket. So when you bend at the waist, that's where the spine has
a hard time rotating in the golf swing. So when you bend at your your hip socket, your back and stay your spine angles stays nice and straight, and then that's where you're that's where you're getting that forty five degrees of bend at your hip socket, letting arms hang, so then your butt is sticking out. Yeah, your butt does stick out. I mean, I can't tell you how many times I write down on my on my notes for my students. Know, butt out, butt out, butt out. You
know, take a look at a door player. I mean, you look at an average tour player that's out there, and it's just that just happens. That just happens. But it's one of the key things that you kind of look at when they're posturing over the golf ball. And it's just, you know, they just look a little bit uneasy, and then they get the back flat, the spine angle straight, and then bend stick your butt
out. Interesting because we talk about and everybody's heard about the longest six inches in golf being the spot between your ears, But I guess those three inches there between your your hips and your waist are critical as well. Yeah, you know, I think a lot of what people are doing nowadays is that that golf the golf shot if you're posturing and your alignment and stuff is I mean, golf gets missed already, so your chances of hitting a good shot
decreased by a factor of ken if you're not set up right. I mean, it's that's just going out and you get it, hit it offline, you're going to hit it into a bunker and then to touch on the metal side of it. If you think you're going to hit it in the bunker, you're going to hit it in the bunker, absolutely right. We say that all the time. Don't hit it in the bunker. Don't hit it in the bunker. Yeah, we'll get rid of that, or don't And
what happens you're saying to yourself, hit it in the bunker. Hit it the bunker exactly. If I said to my dog, don't sit, what does he do? He's gonna sit, So we don't hear the word don't. Hey, listen, if you tell your kid don't do that, chances are there and go I'm gonna he said not to, but I'm going to try it. Yeah, right, sefore I can push him. Uh well wow. So now this tilt and the spine angle and the forward tilt at the hip socket not at the waist, which is a huge difference, huge
difference. And and so we've we've covered the alignment part. Now we've got the posture part, set up part. What parts are are? Do you see in this setup as common errors that? Yeah? Yeah, ball pedition. Ball pedition is is huge. I know, uh you know, you see you have a good player coming in and and and this happened to me
a while back. You know. I went and saw my my golf coach, you know, Ben Weeks, down at the Southern June's in Phoenix, and uh, down a Mara Copa And now I told him I was just down hitting it right, and he's looking at it and he's like, well, look where you got your ball position, dude, you need to move forward. So we moved about a ball forward and everything just kind of changed, the posture, change, the consistency of the hit and everything, you
know. So it was those little tiny things that we that you kind of take for granted. And ball position is one of those big things that people take for granted. They just get, uh, they get that out of whack. You know. A guy comes to me yesterday with you know, he fit in his drag. He says, I'm hitting my driver bad. So he sets up to it, you know, a ball position for his drivers. In the middle of his stance, his hands are in front of the golf ball. The face of the driver is d loopted. And I
said, what do you do? You pop it straight up? Huh? And he's like, yeah, i'd you know that. Well, you're set up it dictates and is going to I'm gonna. I can pretty much tell how you're going to hit it, just by the way you're posturing over this golf ball. So we moved the ball forward where it should be in his stance, and his whole everything changes. His posture changed, everything changes, and the next thing, you know, with then you know, three or
four swings. He kind of fixed it all himself. I just put the ball on the right spot and making some golf swings there. So to give yourself of an idea of kind of where ball position should be, you know, the lob wedge through your eight iron should be right in the middle of your feet, and then from there the golf ball just moves forward and away from you about a quarter an inch, but never getting outside of your left heel. So there's there's only about like a four to six inch h area
to where that golf ball should be placed, you know. So the thing that you're trying to do is that we're trying to make sure that the body remains in the same flex and the same positioning, but the golf ball just moves forward in your stance and a little bit further away because of the length of the golf club. Yeah, I was going to ask you about that.
So you want to you want to get the ball, well, you want to step back a little bit or push the ball away from you, But as the club gets longer you get to your driver, you want it to be a little way not only forward. Yeah. So so basically what you're doing is that the spine angle. All the angles that you create set up will dictate what you can and can't do in the golf swing. So so that's what you're trying to do. You're trying to maintain the same spy
angle. I mean, you might get a little bit taller with a driver, and that ball might be just a touch further away from your just a tiny bit of a reach with that driver, But otherwise your hands and your spine, your neeflex, your bend at the hips, those are all those things should kind of just stay right there and those clubs should just move and the ball should just move away from you maintaining and keeping your your posturing the
same every single time. And that's where people have, I mean consistency. They want consistency. But if your if your body is changing often all the time, you know, then that consistency is just not going to happen. It's just gonna You're going to be all out of whack. So so ball edition is probably the biggest, biggest thing that I have an issue with.
I think one of the more entertaining things I've I enjoy witnessing on a golf course is self analysis of a bad result of a swing, meaning that when somebody makes a shot and it doesn't do exactly what they thought they were going to do. And with most golfers that at least that I play with, because I don't play with scratch golfers. Most golfers make a lot of mistakes
or don't have the results they had hoped for with most shots. And my one of my favorites is when they pop the ball up off the ta and you said, like, you knew before the guys swung, you know, just because of their position right, that they were gonna pop it up right. Yeah. My favorite is I teed it up too high? Oh I know, and you know that you know someone who tees it up there, They tee it up pretty much the same way every single time. Sure,
but they think that by because the ball popped up. It's like, oh yeah, well I got under it, so I definitely teed it up to it. And it's like, no, I don't think so. Yeah, And you actually need to tee it when you pop it up. You need to peet higher. What Yeah, why when you teed up higher, that's going to give you your your First of all, you're too steep on the golf ball, so your angle attack coming into the golf ball is too steep, so if you teed up higher, you feel more round in your golf
swing. So that's kind of what you're trying to do with a player when they when you teed up higher, you know, you trying to get them swing more around like a you know, it's like a tilted Ferris wheel. So and I have it with my three and a half year old little boy. Is that he you know, he tees it up. He'll teed up as high as he can get it with his little driver that he has,
and the swing is flatter and flatter and flatter. So the higher heat it, the flatter, the flatter the swing gets, and the better he start hitting it. So it's it's it's funny because I try and I try and teach, or I try and give the amount of information to uh to my students as much as I would give to my son Michael. And and that's kind of where we're going with this, to try and give them as little
information as I can to get them hitting the ball straighter and further. So you know, you start giving too much information to some of some of the students and that I have to get more and more and more confused. So when they leave a lesson, you know, they have two or three things to work on, and and that's it. So there's not a ton of things. Is basically what we're trying to do is fix the motion in their
golf swing and go from there. So when you get a person that's popping the golf ball up, it's basically you start looking at their body position and how they're pivoting and how their body turns and rotates pretty much dictates how they're going to start hitting the golf ball when they start coming and chopping down on it. Am I correct? And assuming that the times that I pop it up and oh I pop it up? Oh I pop it up? Is my angle of attack on my swing too steep? Yeah? Oh good?
You need to well because I'm thinking of yeah, I just came down too hard. Yeah. You just need to feel yourself swinging that club a little bit more around your body, flatten out, flattening out a little bit, you know, So good ball position, you know, so if you with a driver, if you proper set up, you know, not for nothing here, But I haven't I haven't missed a fairway since Ronald Reagan was in
office. So you know, some of the things that I contribute that to is through my setup ball position and consistency of getting that set up all the time. But so if you take your feet, you put your feet together and the ball is right in the middle of your two feet, you take about an inch or an inch and a half step towards your target with your left foot and then a big step back with your right. You're going to get the same ball position each and every time, and that's what you're trying
to do. So the ball position with a driver, it's got to be forward of in your stands, just just off the left heel or just slightly inside and the left heel, and then step back to the right and that sets the whole body in motion as far as you yourself that chance to start hitting the ball in the air and in the fairway. I'm so glad that
you went in that direction, because that's what our video is about. The video that you give instruction on how to straighten out your drives, is you really focus on centering the ball between your feet, take that very little step forward and then a larger step back, and I'll tell you, since we've done that and That's what I love about producing these videos for people, is I you know, as a visual learner as well as audibly of course, but it just was so graphic to me, and it has really helped me
not only straighten out my drives, It's also made me slow down on my swing. I'm not swinging as hard for some reason. I'm just feeling more comfortable. But I love the idea flattening it out too. You know, Nicholas always said if he wants to hit it further, he swings it, he swings it easier. Yeah, that's the counter and part of this thing. I was, Yeah, I was working with a little a guy on the on the Gateway tour how a long time ago, and you know,
and uh, Kyle Blackman what was his name? And you know, we were just out playing and and we were standing on this part five and he's like, all right, I gotta get I got to get home in two. First of all, he's you know, he's five foot two and one hundred and fifty pounds, but he does hit far. But what I pointed out to him is that I'm like, Kyle, you hit you just you hit one about three ten on the last sole I go, did you try
and hit it three ten? And he's like, well, no, I go, you hit this one like two eighty five, and so quit trying to hit it three ten and just swing at him. Right. You know, you're creating more and more tension than the golf swing, and from there, you know, tension is just going to cause more problem then you're going to know what to do with. So you got to swing easier to hit it further, lighten up your grip pressure, and not try and swing so
hard. Yeah, don't swing hard, swing swing fast. Huh. Yeah, you're just trying to generate you know, you're trying to generate clubhead speed and uh and move it as quick as you can. You know. I had a club fitting down in Hot Sticks, and I was working with the one of the guy that runs a place down there, Alan Gobesky, and and we're hitting some balls and he goes, dude, I want you to
swing at it as hard as you can. So I go ahead, and I swing at it as hard as I can, and clubhead speed went down from about one one oh nine to like one oh six to one oh four. And here I am swinging in as hard as I can, and I lose distance and lose clubheads speed. Wow. So it's that type of thing where your body just gets out of sequence. So when you're standing over a golf shot and you're trying to hit it hard, you know you're gonna lose.
You're gonna your chances are you're gonna lose distance. You know, think of the think of the layup shot. You know, you got two hundred yards to the to the little brook that you get a lay up in front of, and you take your one ninety club and you go ahead and swing it, and what is it do? With one hops into the brook? You're like, what the heck? I just killed that, you know,
because you weren't trying to hit it far. You were just trying to move it down the fairway, and you know, you hit it further than you've ever hit that club before. So those are the things that we try and get, you know, the tension, you know, trying to get people to relax a little bit when you're hitting golf balls out there and you're trying to play it. So it's a it's a game where you know, I've tried to quit twice. I tried to get out of this business twice.
And it just doesn't, you know, it doesn't happen. I had a nice job offer with Morgan Stanley from a cousin in law, and you know, I have an associates Stree and turf management from the University of Massachusetts,
which is basically growing grass and being superintendent. So that that kind of fell through, and then I got into I tried getting into the police academy with Scottsville Phoenix police departments when I was out and Scottsfield doing that, and you know, just the thought of maybe not coming home one day, it was not what I wanted. I had a young my thirteen year old daughter, I think it was about six five or six at the time, so going
home and seeing her every day was something that I wanted to do. So that kind of that kind of shon that away from me. So so in the interim when I was when I was doing that, that's you know. So it's just something where this this game, this game is going to drive you crazy. You know, you never own it, you just borrow it. And all we're trying to do is just bo it longer and longer and longer. Each stretch that we get into. Well, actually I think we're
ultimately we're trying to borrow it shorter and shorter and shorter. Isn't the goal to have fewer shots and spend less time on the golf course. No, we want to borrow those good stretches playing when we're playing good. We just want to We just want to borrow the good times longer and longer and longer, take a longer lease on it. Yeah, that's what we're trying to do. And and the more that you know, the more people will go out and you get your instruction, you know, it's easier to fix as
you get closer and closer and closer to it. So that's a big thing that I've noticed with a lot of with some of the a lot of the students that I have. Now that you know they'll come, you know, the repeat customers that are then coming back and they're doing the body is going to go back to what feels comfortable. So when they start doing that, it's a little easier to fix. We fix it a little quicker and they're like, oh, okay, I get this now. This is a lot
easier than the first time that I can't even saw you. I played with a guy who said, Fred you know what I want for Christmas this year? So what's that he said? Two good shots in a row? You know, Ben Hogan, he always said it, if i'd shoot in the sixties, if I could hit it, just one perfect shot around. Yeah, you know ye. Everybody has their interpretation of that line. It's beautiful. Oh man, Frank, you know, I have so many points here
that I'm walking away with that are incredibly valuable. I'm glad I was taking notes, and I you know, I advise every listener to listen to this again, because boy, playing on the offense versus playing on defense. What a what a concept? Right? And you know it's it's not I didn't invent all this, No, bet, you're reminding us. And it's so important. You got the spine tailed, You bend at the hip socket, not at the waist. You tee it up higher if you're popping. This
was this was incredibly valuable, wonderful stuff. I really appreciate it and advise anybody if you're going to be spending any time in the Lake Tahoe area. Congratulations. First of all, it's magnificent. Go up to Incline, Go to the golf course at Incline, it's and check out Golf Incline dot com and check out Frank. He's the director of instruction there at golf course at Incline. Uh, and he's obviously very happy to be there now, and we're very happy to have you on the show. Man. Do you have
a website that people can find out more about you? It is? It's uh, it's Frankocoma golf dot com. Two ends two l's two n two l's good. And just that you can log in there with just an email address and name, and I got some tips lot are going on there and then we'll figure away to to get the ones that you and I did together.
Fellow there too, so well. Yeah, and also just if you want to see Frank do a little bit of instruction and see what a snap dresser she is, check out check out the video on how to straighten out your drives right there on golf Smarter TV. Hey, buddy, I hope to have you back on because there's some things you brought on that I have not I want to pursue further, but I know you have a lesson you have to get to. So thanks so much for your time. Man,
it's great talking to you. Again my pleasure. Thanks for having me