Hey! You’re Standing on My Line! Golf Etiquette with author Richard Todd

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If it bothers you that much to card a ninety five versus a ninety one, get lessons, It's not about the score. I read recently Ben Hogan said before every round he knew he was going to have four bad shots. Okay, now this is a professional. I kind of go out thinking I'm gonna have four good shots, and it just

Because that is what I shot.

It doesn't make me any less of a golfer or any better golfer by saying you shot something lower. That's kind of one of my pet peeves about that. But you have to hit anyhow. Some people drop a ball immediately and just hit right away. Actually, the rule book says you don't hit right away unless, of course, you're the last one teeing off. So if you're first and you put yours in the woods, pick up your tea, walk back to the bag, let the other three players play, and then you can hit your provision.

Hey, you're standing on my line. Golf Etiquette with Richard Toff. This is Golf Smarter. Welcome back to the Golf Smarter podcast. Richard.

Hey, Fred, it's great to be back.

It's like you never left a lot of time with Golf Smarter.

Huh yes, every week.

Well, I get to spend a lot of time with your books. Now, thank you, and you got a new one. Congratulations. So let's let's recap what the last book was so we can promote that.

First absolutely, please, we'll take you back five years. First, my son was graduating eighth grade, getting ready to become a big, bad freshman and decided he wanted to be on the golf team. So it was a great summer. I got to play a lot of.

Golf, you know, and you've been playing golf all your life.

I have.

I had been thirty some years. But you know, it's harder to get every weekend off to play golf. But I told the wife, you know, I've got to do this so that Nicholas can make the team.

Yeah, and excuse and yes, it's very hard, and I do acknowledge it is very hard for anybody with young children to get out on the golf course on a regular basis, very hard unless they drag their kids along exactly.

So we're out there during that in the day and at night.

I decided to try to read the USGA Rules of Golf. I had attempted it once before. As you know, it's a very difficult book to get through. No offense to the usg you know, that's a legal document and there is some legal eaese in there, and it's tough to get through even if you read it from cover to

Oh yeah, of course.

Well that doesn't happen, and the ball goes over the hole, across the green and down the hill, and what should have been a possible birdie ended up being a double bogie. And he proceeds to let me know, very verbally, very loud, how happy he is that I'm there that day, in front of all his friends and everybody on the course. So I carried that golf guilt around for three decades and as I'm reading that, well, why.

Do I not believe you that he was so happy that he was black ragging about having.

You thereout air quotes around the happiness.

Okay, air quotes. I missed the eye out. I'm sorry, I'm blinked.

It was.

It was not a very good time.

I mean, old you were you. I was sixteen, and his friends or his friends stepped in and they're like, you know, just go ahead to hit another one, and you know, don't worry about it and anything. So uh. In reading the chapter on flankstick, I realized he was wrong. I was right there. You don't get to choose after you hit the ball if you want it in or pull it out, whatever fits you best.

So wait, what did he He asked you to tend it? Well, or he asked you to pull it?

Initially, I don't remember if he asked me to tend it, but I was standing there with my hand on it, and according to the rule book, if somebody is there, that is considered tending it. Because he saw me standing there, he knew I was going to pull it because my hand was on it.

Okay, so.

He needed to make that decision before he hit either for me, to move away or pull it or get ready to pull it after he hits. So it made me maybe kind of mad that I had to carry that guilt around for three decades.

And I said, nobody should have to go through this.

Oh, listen, as any kid, as any adult knows what you're going to find something to carry the guilt around for decades.

Yes, I understand.

So it became my mission at that point to help educate people so that this didn't happen to somebody else. And as I'm reading the rule book, each time I go through a section, I've got a memory of something that mirrored what they're trying to explain. And it just occurred to me that I could just put all of these memories into one long and rather painful round of golf and explain the rules in a very lighthearted manner that's easy to understand. And that's how the golf rules idea started.

Okay, So the first book, so the first book we were talking about golf rules is the rules.

It is on stroke play.

Stroke play rules. Okay, and now you've decided you're going to go and do a series on these. And the second one here is on etiquette.

Correct and actually That idea came about very soon after the original idea to write the golf rules on stroke play, you know, because I said to myself, well, that's just one part of the game, so we're going to need to do etiquette. And I also have plans for the third book next summer to be on match play. Okay, so well we'll hit all three components of the game. And so I started writing, I'm reading through the rules of golf. I need to make sure I know what

Yeah, but you were going to try to make a living out.

Of that, that's true.

But I'm tullious. So now if you have these, you know, official workshops and tests and things for the rules, where do you what is your resource for getting over two hundred etiquette faux pause for this book? I mean it's not these aren't written down anywhere? Are they?

There are etiquette rules.

There are a few listed in the USGA rulebook.

Very few, I gotta imagine.

Yes, I think maybe a dozen or two dozen.

I talked to course pros, maintenance crews, other golfers, pretty much anybody I could run into, you know, sitting around on the nineteenth hole, asking people what's your what's your biggest pet peeve? And doing some online research.

And how many of those pet peeves did not end up in the book.

I think I had a couple dozen that I really didn't get in there.

Like what sure I could have? You know, I dig this, I did this see you last time?

And you know.

It's funny because I had b If you would, that's fine.

You need to take it. You need to study. From my interview.

To answer your question.

One that I really was a little upset about not putting in there are the little flags that are marked ground under repair. You know, sometimes you see fifteen little yellow flags, know about a foot tall. That was something that I didn't get in. I do have ground under repair listed, but not that specific instance. And that was something that I don't know just tickled my fancy and wish I would have put in there. And it's but

Well, I think there was enough.

In there, but I checked to see and this individual had also rated Butch Harmon's latest release the same score, So I guess.

I can't feel bad. Even though he didn't give me a five.

He rated me the same as Butch Harmon's.

Oh pretty good.

It's nice class to be it.

I'll tell you. The review thing is always fun, but it gets dangerous because you start like reading it and then taking it seriously and then taking it personally. I do that in the iTunes reviews, and if anybody wants to write an iTunes review. I'm not going to stop them. I would love to get but I make sure it's an honest review. Please please, and please, Richard, please ask people go do a review of iTunes of golf Smarter and iTunes. We haven't had one in a while anyway,

You know?

I have not heard any. Oh dude, did you have a hole in one? Okay?

I did not, nor did anybody my foresome but he came off lee close. We think it hit the stick and it landed like four inches from the cup, which was awesome.

So are you're saying that you could carry on too much if you get a hole in one and that's a faux pop? Well?

What what is the the correct procedure after a person gets a hole in one and the round is over? What is correct? What is the accepted etiquette rule of what happens in the clubhouse afterwards?

I think that one is so such a small percentage of people to get that.

I don't know. I don't have any research on that one.

But research you ask people question's what business you off I would say for that one, there's you know, anything goes.

Everybody should promote that one, and you know you should get drinks all around, maybe even a nice steak dinner afterwards. Well, I do know there's a website dedicated to hole in ones and you mark down where you were playing the conditions of that particular hole in your name and nice.

Actually, there's a lot of websites about holding ones. I've done it once. I've gotten a hole in one once, and I have a certificate from the PGA that has my name on it saying I got a hole in one. I have a yeah, they said, I have a like a bag tag that says I've gotten a hole in one.

Yeah.

There's lots of things you can get, lots of goodies that says that's it. But you have to you have to give them some sort of proof. But I've heard everything from you buy everybody in your forsome a drink afterward, and all the way to you by everybody in the clubhouse or in the bar at the clubhouse. At the nineteenth hole. You have to buy everybody drinks until the last person standing. I mean, that's a wide range of what you got to do.

Those sound like rules made by people that are looking for free drinks.

Well, golfers are not in that group, are you kidding? Who doesn't like a free anything exactly? I mean, how many times guys go around looking for golf balls? Oh, I found the ball? Yeah, so, but we're waiting.

That's in the book too.

Let's talk about that one about looking about what it means to just go hunting for balls during the round, even if you haven't lost yours. What's the proper etiquette for that?

One thing most important is don't hold up anybody behind you or your group.

Yep, that's probably the biggest pah.

You know. Granted, if you see somebody coming up out of the marsh and they've got a duffel that they found four dozen, it's you just kind of have to wonder. And especially we know most of those balls aren't really playable, so the speed of play on that one is it's probably the biggest point to take home when you're talking about etiquette too. You can use it to make your game more enjoyable even before you take your first swing, especially if you're with it. Teamed up with somebody you

I try, because I'm not good with names. Bob and I'm sorry, Richard and I am And I also like try write down, like what cap he's wearing, because I hate getting him wrong. I can't just write Tom and Bill, all right, Tom white cap, Oh, okay, that's Tom.

Those are good ones too. Yeah, and then also mention your golfing ability, your handicap where you like to hit from rather than being on the second hole and you're in the woods, and the rest of your players are starting to pull their hair out because now they realize we thought we were going to play a speedy par around and we've got mister triple bogie over here. Yeah.

But what choice do you have. I mean, if you go to the you go to the first t and the starter says you're twosome is team this? You got a single here, in a single here that's playing with you. You walk up to and say, hey, how's your game? I'm not so sure I agree with you on this one. It's like, Hi, how are you? And then you just have to be patient. But you can't tell the starter this guy sucks. I don't want to play with him.

Well, I've seen that done too. Really, wouldn't you rather know before the round starts that it's going to be slow and you, and knowing his inability, you can guide him a little more, you know, maybe he tell him, don't be hitting from the blues, let's scoot you up a little bit, or help watch his shot a little more. You know. That's another great pace of play item in the book. You've got this threesome and one guy hits in the woods and he turns to the other one

Yeah, oh yeah, no question about it.

I just I I.

Don't know, I've not well. The first thing I never want to do is tell people how they should be playing. I mean, I don't even I generally don't bring up the podcast until the seventeenth hole. I don't because it's like, I don't want to, I don't want to talk about me on this thing, and I just like, maybe I'm going to have a potentially new listener, so I want to bring it up at some point, and I generally just say there's a difference. Have you ever heard of

Well, I'm not saying you should tell them, but you can, especially if somebody's breaking some major etiquette or even the rules, you might want to just mention to them, you know, hey, that was a nice shot, but this is how it's supposed to be played. The concept that you know, started these the books is that most people haven't had any thorough education.

Exposure, let's just call it exposure.

Not okay, yeah, and for.

That individual, let's just say he was breaking an etiquette and you didn't say anything. Well, golf is a cradle to grave sport, as you know, so he could repeat that same error for the next fifty years.

He couldn't feel responsible for that.

You know what, I think for the good of the game, we all have some citizen responsibility that you know. In addition to you know, him doing it wrong for fifty years, he might turn somebody off to the game. You know, they might think that what this player was doing is standard and don't want to have anything to do with golf, or that person will teach others. You know. It's it's like the spam email. As long as you keep forwarding

You know, some things need.

To be done.

Yeah, well, and again to me, it's like, are we playing for money today? And are you in? If you're in, then okay, let's all agree on these etiquette rules and all the real rules. But otherwise they do what you want. I'm from California, man, We're all about doing what you want, and I'm not country club. Are there a list of rules in your book for etiquette rules for marshals?

Marshals?

We do have a couple listed in there. They're not for marshals to behave. But I know that's a hot button for you.

Ooh boy, oh boy, you know because you mentioned. But it's like, okay, keep an eye on where the ball goes, so you watch and you can help pick up the pace of play. Why aren't the marshals doing if they're just driving around in circles doing nothing Telegate except telling you that you're going too slow, Well that's because I lost my ball. Oh man, they make me creazy.

Well, you know that might go back to being educated and experienced from somebody else that doesn't know what they're doing. You know, I assume some of these marshals may not have been through USGAPGA rules school. They might be older golfers that can't really play as much, so they're trying to help.

What are common etiquette faux pas that really irk you?

For me, the mulligan and hitting right away, which you can kind of roll in together. So many every golfer knows what a mulligan is, despite there being no mention of a mulligan in the rule book. You know everybody wants to hit again, Well guess what you get. You do get to hit again, but you count your first stroke and count your second stroke as a penalty stroke. To me, the it mirrors. Let's say you're playing Monopoly

I love that idea, it's just what it is. Or I'm going to try that next time I play Monopoly. Can I get a mulligan on that roll? Some are the crap table, even just the craft table. You're playing.

A little backarrack. Some people say, well, you know what, everybody gets a mulligan in our group, Well, why don't you just count the stroke and add four onto everybody's or three onto everybody's game.

It's about the same, right If.

It bothers you that much to card a ninety five versus a ninety one, get lessons. It's not about the score. And I read recently Ben Hogan said before every round he knew he was gonna have four bad shots. Okay, now this is a professional, so I kind of go out thinking I'm gonna have four good shots, and it

So if you're first, and you put yours in the woods.

Pick up your tea, walk back to the bag, let the other three players play, and then you can hit your provisional.

Oh as opposed to your provision, as opposed to just dropping the ball immediately or even recognizing you know that ball you just hit out of bounds, you can drop it over there. It's a lateral hazard, right.

A lateral water hazard. We you know this. This summer, I was walking the dog and contemplating lateral water has as I'm sure you do too.

No, I listen to podcasts when I'm walking the dog.

So I'm thinking about red steaks, and I glance up and I see a red stop sign, and this is how my mind works. I'm thinking, Okay, what are the options at a stop sign? Well, they mirror the options for a lateral water hazard red stakes when your water your ball goes in. So here we go, Fred. Now, I'm going to put it on you for a second. When you're at a stop when you're at an intersection, four way intersection, you have to stop sign. You have five options. What are they.

Five options at a four way stop sign.

Yes, now this isn't difficult.

Okay.

The first one is stop, the second one is go through it. Third one would be kind of rolling stop.

Okay, no, no, no, no, I'm wrong. Huh. All right, if you're stopped at a red st yes, you can stay there, turn left, turn right. Oh those options, those options go forward, the legal options again, we're you know the rules. Or you could put the car and revers or turn around and go back. Those are exactly the same options you have when your ball goes into a ladder of water hazard. So now nobody has to ever wonder what can I do when my ball goes in the water on those

But wait, so, like I played this weekend up in Sonoma in a winery area and there's winery like right in the middle of a golf course and it's red staked, and they don't want you to go into where the where the grapes are growing. But my ball just kind of like inched by the red steak and I had I had somewhat which I could punch it back out. You're saying, because it's a red steak, I still can hit it. I don't have to immediately take the penalty.

Yes, you do not.

You do not have to. You can play the ball as July. A matter of fact, we're talking about PGA rules school. The gentleman sitting next to me the past couple of years is on the not the PGA Tour, is on the Golf Channel Tour, and we were going over a rule about the wall ball being in a water hazard and oscillating. Basically, the waves were coming up the ripples just enough to move keep moving the ball

Awesome, And it's the golf rules dot com. Correct three words, all one word, the golf rules. Okay, great, great, great, okay, Mulligan's irk you what's what is the correct way to handle hitting a provisional? So it's like, oh, you have to announce it correct like you hit a ball. You hit a ball and you're not sure it's out of bounds. You can't really see over there or went over herell or you just you can't tell. And he's like, you know what, I better hit a second ball just in case, right.

And and that's a very good point.

You don't have to know that it's lost to hit a provisional. And you do exactly as you say. You announce that you're going to hit one. If again, go back in your turn in line. You know, hit right away. You know everybody's already waiting. Let them go unless you're the last person. Go look for your first ball first. If you find that, that's what you play. If not, you play your provisional, counting your first stroke and your penalty.

Right, So when you're hitting your provisional you're hitting three, if you're hitting off two, yes, okay, what about still people still get really cranky about you walked on my line. Now we've got shoes that don't make marks, they don't make much impressions. Well, in California right now because of our drought situation, the greens are fast, rock hard and fast and I and they keep the grass so short. On most greens, you really aren't making any marks. That's

But like you were saying, you shouldn't step on it, So just don't do it. I mean, granted, if you have an accident, that's different than on every hole Joe walks across my line.

Yeah, well mostly the ones that are the It's like if you walk on because you didn't see where the guys you know, his marker was on the green, it's like, oh, I'm really sorry. But if you're putting out and you know you you've got to walk up to your you know, you tap in or you're gimme if they're gonna do that, I know I just made you freak out by something. Gimmy, But it's like, that's where you're gonna step. It's like, oh, I'm sorry, And then what happens is you take that

And right.

It's we're not professionals, most of us, so it's not gonna make a big difference if you go over, but it could. And if it does and you watch somebody's putt head and right for the cup and it drops into where you just stood and goes off to the left, you know you're you're going to get some comments. I'm sure. No h So it's a lot a lot easier just to not walk across the line and not have to worry about it, even if it doesn't make it or

In your research asking people what bugs you? What was the most common faux pad that that came out?

Speed of play seemed to be the biggest.

And uh and.

What do they what do they blame? Blame that on crappy players or marshals who aren't paying attention.

I think mostly crappy players, is uh.

See, that's a problem. We shouldn't get testy about about people who are new to the game because there aren't that many anymore that are new to the game, and we're trying to encourage them. So don't be pissy.

There's a little there's a fine line and you can kind of go both ways if you're just starting, you know, again, as we're saying, maybe you shouldn't be playing far back, play up a little bit, or you can. You know, the USGA has their equitable stroke control, which growing up, you know, I remember being taught double par you know, and after that you picked up your ball and that kind of kept the pace going for everybody, was it? Hamenez just this last week carted a thirteen on a par four.

Oh my gosh, but that's a tournament. I mean, I understand, but if you carry a handicap if you carry a handicap, and most people, you know, I guess who even listening to this, But you're carrying a handicap or you're preparing to get a handicap for yourself, there is a number that you can't go over on the scorecard. I can't take more than the seven, right, so I never do.

Actually I don't. The number isn't fixed.

I believe it's as we're going, it's you know, double bogie or triple bogie, depending on your your your.

Handicap, because of course you can take more than a.

Seven on a par five, but on a par three not so much, right, because you're a nine point something. Right. Yeah, it changed this the last time I heard the podcast.

Yeah, well it changes every two weeks. And now I'm nine to two, which and you.

Know, I just played a couple of weeks ago by myself, and I finished my round in an hour and ten granted well nine holes, I was. I was a little winded by the time I finished. There was one other person on the course behind me about a hole and a half. Now, if he had there's I'm sorry, we're leading into another pet peeve. If he was playing faster than me, you know maybe he had running shoes.

I would have let him come through.

Sure, of course, you know that that's and you know it's such an ego for everybody that you know, whether somebody plays through us. Most golfers don't have a problem with playing through another group. But nope, they don't want anybody playing through them. It's true, and it has nothing to do with your manlyhood or how well you golf. It's just a fact. If the person behind you is playing faster and there's nobody in front of you, let them go.

But do you let him go and you wait for a par three? You let him go anytime?

It depends on the course.

You know, it's a little more difficult if you're in the middle of a hole, unless you know, maybe everybody's approach shots went wide into the woods. Now you got some time and I've done both. You know, you wait till for a par three go through. Personally, I almost feel it it's more difficult because if everybody is on the green, they're waiting for you to hit on, walk

But that's just me.

No, No, that's a good point because I think that any time I've ever asked, like, you guys want to play through, it's always been on a par three. But you're right, that actually does slow things down. It's better to do on a par four or part five.

There was a I think it was the History Channel had a real interesting article where they timed all the golfers coming through and they were showing how the bottleneck being at the par threes. You've as you know, you generally pay you out about what every you know, nine eleven minutes, depending on how crowd of the course is. Well, if it takes longer than that to play that hole, then everybody backs up there and it backs up all

Mm hmm.

But I think that gets back down to, you know, dollars and cents for the course.

I think the other reason that it works for people to let someone play through on a par three is because you can mark your ball, you can get it out of the way where on a fair way people aren't going to be picking up their ball and they're not sure that's a bad excuse. Okay, no, I like this idea. Yeah, no, no, I think that's good. That's good. Wow, you have over two hundred BETI good folkus I.

Think I think it's two hundred and forty three?

Is the count in that book?

You are such a spreadsheet, not two and forty three?

I had to know.

Yeah, yeah, because guys like me and go, so how many you got in here? Well, it's on the cover.

It says over too, and saying over two two and forty just doesn't have the same ring. So and I didn't quite pump it up to two fifties, so I just let it go.

So fixing fixing ball marks on the green and raking bunkers, is that a rule or is that etiquette?

That is etiquette. I don't believe there's any rule.

Now, there's some guidance on Well, there are some rules about raking, yep, you know how when you do it.

But doesn't every every course have their own rule of where you leave the rake?

Or yeah, yeah, there are a lot of local rules. There seems to be a one overwhelming rule or guideline is that the rake is always perpendicular with the fairway.

Oh, I've never heard that. And there's a video at golf smarter dot com on our golf Smarter TV that I recently did for the country club here Marine country Club on course care pace of play, and their rule is always put the rake with the handle sticking out. Put the you know, the head in the sand and the handle sticking out. But they didn't say anything about, uh, the direction of the.

Fairway is that with the whole rake in the bunker.

No, just the handle sticking out of the edge of the bunker. Okay, But they didn't say anything about it should be in the same direction as the way of play.

I think the concept is if your ball is heading towards the flag and the rake is going the same way, you have a less less chance of the ball being stopped, as opposed to if you know the rake is at ninety degrees to the flag you hit it, it's just going to stop, as opposed if it's going the same way, you're just going to roll with it.

Fun stuff, fun stuff, fun book, fun book. Did you do eighteen chapter? You did eighteen chapters? Again? On this right nineteen.

Actually I went a little went past.

Yeah, you doing a little farther this.

I got a paragraph for twenty. But well, this one's a real interesting storyline. It was funny again at an author event, I was talking to a person. She had lost her sister to breast cancer. So they started an annual breast cancer awareness golf outing and they're in about their ninth ninth year. It's kind of the story behind the story in the book. A municipal golfer wins a round of golf at a local country club for a charity, and so it was kind of fun here in her

So wow, I will it's.

Going to be thicker than this book. I have a sense and that could be something I'm writing the rest of your life, right it could yeah, yeah, yeah, but you have you have other things, I mean from you were telling me that all these you know, when you go out and do these author talks and you meet people and you do your research, You've got a lot of other stories that you've been compiling.

I do some of these stories that people tell everybody has a golf story, it seems like, and some are better than others.

So I've taked some.

Are clean, yeah, I And so I've put those together and I'm doing a book of short stories and ring the writing of this, which I know will take just historically it's going to take at least a year, if not several, to put together the whole thing. I've started publishing like five chapters at a time as an ebook. It's in the Kindle market for ninety nine cents.

It's called Short Stories from.

The Long Links. So if you're looking for something a little more lighthearted, check that out.

For ninety nine cents, why the heck not? And I will make sure that the link to that and the link to golf rules Etiquette, those are both on Amazon, right all your boy, Yes, yeah, And I'll make sure that there are links to that at golf smarter dot com.

Great, and the first book, The Golf Rules on Stroke Play, is in some select Barnes and Nobles.

It was quite a thrill. I walked into the store.

Actually, I was doing an author event just outside of Barnes and Nobles at another store, and my wife texted me she was in the store. She says, Hey, your book's on the shelf.

Wow.

Very cool culture.

I actually was interviewed for a book that somebody was writing, and when she wrote to us and said the book is it's out, It's in the store. My wife and I ran to the store and there was that thrill of finding, you know, not just my name in the book, but there was a chapter on me. It's like, what nice? No,

Absolutely, of course, Amazon, Barnes and Nobles, men, a few select golf specialty stores online and brick and mortar have the website the golf roles dot com, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, and I have a blog out at WordPress, all of which you can get to from my website.

Also, what are you doing on YouTube?

I put together a kind of like a book trailer for the first book, So Much, So Much fun. A friend of mine, he actually is a NASA engineer that likes to dabble in video. And so I called up the local course and said, I've got this book. I'd like to stop by and you know, do some filming, and he said sure. So we showed up and he gave us keys to the cart and it was.

A fall day.

Well that's about a year ago, and we basically had the course to ourselves. We just drove around and took video here and different swings and you know, dropping balls and water and sand and of course we had to play a couple of the part threes, but we just drove around and it was it was amazing. Yeah, you know, as opposed to the structured walking through the eighteen holes, we just went wherever we wanted.

Willy Nilly, Well, again, thank you so much for writing this book. And I think people should have this and your other one on their shelves for no other reason. Then it's a reference. It's a reference source, and you can just like, wait a minute, there is a rule for that, or there's a thought for that. Let me go find that, and here's where you do it. And they're not thick books. And the thing that I do love about your books is that they're stories. It's not

Oh you're welcome.

And of course they make great Christmas grifts if you want, I can do personalizations. I love hearing from people that have given them as gifts, you know, I hear. Hey, Uncle Bill went to open the book and he saw that you mentioned his Thursday round of golf, and he was just amazed that you knew he played golf on Thursday.

Wonder then you run again