Golf Simplified featuring Donald Crawley

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So the favor of the slicer, why do they slice? Are you going to get a difference of opinion? Some people would say, well, I'm hitting across the ball, that's going to slice. Well, in reality, the face of the golf club, if it's open to the swing pack, the ball will fade. You are actually hitting at a glance in blow. So that's what causes a slide.

People don't understand that.

Let me tell you. The ball slice is when the space is owned. So just get your mind wrapped around. It's about the club plase.

So if the face is open, you.

Will align your arms and your shoulders to the left to compensate fall out slide. When you align your arms and shoulders to the left, you will produce an outside in swing. So it's like walk came to the chicken of the egg. Well, on day one you hit with the face open the balf slide. So you learn over a period of time one year, two years, fifty years to line your arms and shoulders to the left, and now you've groove an outside in.

Swing golf simplified with Director of Instruction for the Boulders, Donald Crawley, this is Golf Smarter. Welcome to the Golf Smarter podcast.

Donald, Hey, Fred, how are you.

I'm doing well. Thank you for joining me on the show today.

Great to be leaders right.

Tell me you're down.

At the Boulders in one of my favorite not necessarily my favorite cities, but my favorite name for city, Carefree Arizona.

It's a great place, just right at the very north end of Scottsdale, forty minutes from the Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport. So we're in Arizona. It's in what we call the desert foothills, twenty three feet elevation, breeze blowing through, always sunshine.

It's a great place.

Scottsdale is golf mecca.

Yeah it is.

Boy, We've got so many golf courses at one time. I think the last count is one hundred and eighty eight golf courses in this what we'll call it our county in a very very small area, so there's lots of golf to be had.

There's a lot of golf to be had.

And I have played at a number of the courses, not all of them down in the Scottsdale area, and was down at the Boulders are in the spring this year and just loved playing there.

It was a fun track.

Yeah, it's great.

I mean, we've got two golf courses in nineteen eighty four and nineteen eighty five. J Morrish designed, who was the old partner with Tom Wistoff, designed golf courses together. Very good desert golf, target golf they call it. But the North Coast places quite differently than the South Coast. The South Coast gets all the publicity because it's all the beautiful three million year old boulders and you're hitting

I got a chance to play the South course and I was just on fire. It was the third round in three days that my friends and I had played, and we came out to the you know, we came out to the South course. We warmed up early in the morning and I just lit it up. I had a great round. I broke eighty, which is at the time, well it still is. It's rare for me to.

Break haiti, But yeah, that's a good start a golf course. The South course is a little shorter.

But it's narrow.

You must go straight here to break eadya out of there.

I was that day, Yeah.

I was that day.

But the views of the course, it's unlike other courses in the Phoenix Scottsdale area because you are up in the foothills. These boulders that surround the course are really dramatic and kind of distracting.

It's quite amazing. I've had a couple of funny comments. People says, well, how did you how did you truck in those boulders?

And I just laughed.

They were half serious. I says, no, I said, believe it or not. The geologists tell you it's like thirty million years ago. This was the bottom of an ocean and these granite rock croppings are just from the bottom of the floor of the ocean, and of course all the sand around it's got washed away, which has left this sandy Dooney kind of golf calls around these dramatic boulders.

Yeah, you'd wonder why, because you know, golf course architects are notorious for moving things around and changing things, but this one, seriously, Mourrish definitely had to work around the topography that was there.

Yeah, and you play through some rocks and definitely down some ravines and around particular number one. I mean, if you remember, the first soil is dramatic. It's a very very narrow t shot and you hit to a plateau and then you're going downhill to a very narrow shoot and then one of the boulders rock crop and it's sitting right behind the first green, and then people just stop and hold up play and start taking photos. So it's really it's spectacular.

Thank you for reminding me.

I do remember that first haul, and I think it's because we started early. I didn't want to take out the driver and I hit my forward right in the middle of the fairway and was just so that downhill shot I bogied the whole because of a three putt. I made it under the green.

Well, you did it into a very wise thing, you know, to drive the ball straight out. The first thing a what I call.

A weekend golfer.

Or a traveling recreational golfer can do is to hit a wood with mall loft. So what you did, whether you did it consciously or subconsciously, or you weren't warmed up, when you take that forward with about eighteen twenty degrees of loft, you've given yourself a better chance of driving the ball in the fairway. And that's one of the strategic points that the amateur recreational golfer should consider, unless they're a very straight driver of the ball.

Why is it so much easier to hit the ball straight with the forward than with the driver.

Let's say a driver and average is ten point five degrees of loft, so your contact point on the back.

Of a golf ball is pretty much.

On the equator, meaning a ten degree driver is going to be hitting right in the back of the ball, which minimizes the backspin. That's one reason drivers are going farther because we want the trajectory to be high that have no spin on the ball, rather like a knuckleball from baseball. But if the face is open or clothes, you're going to impart side spin on the ball and the ball's going to slice our hook dramatically. But when you use a twenty degree lofted club, you're hitting underneath

Stinger, and he hits the thing much straighter.

Phil Nicholson is driving with a thirteen degree club. He's driving with more loss so that you can hit it straighter.

So interesting, and I just, yeah, I thought it was just because of the amount of the power of the swing that I would put behind it or something, but it really is. The smaller club face allows you to get below the equator.

Yeah, it's two with lost. So the short answer is with mall loft, you're going to hit the ball straighter, and then the backspin is counteracting the side spin. That's why you hit your nine irons straighter and you can hit your five iron mall. It's more forgiving, which is a big part of golf strategy. Chat Nicholas was terrific. People didn't realize as strong as long as Jack was, he drove with a free wood most of his career.

He didn't go as far off line. We went through an era.

Where they were making drivers with seven and eight degrees loft was It was crazy because people just they can get the ball in the air and b when they did it when sideways. But now you'll see it's become more progressive, more and more loft on the driver to hit a higher launch angle with less backspin, and that's the key. That's why the ball goes further now.

Well, also the materials are a lot different now that they're making the club heads.

With well, no question, the material too, with the tetanic shafts and the titanium faces and the gold you know covered golf balls. All of that helps for sure. But you've done a great job with the technology in if you've ever have you ever hit fred ever hit golf balls on a machine that that measures your impact? The famous one at the moment is either track man or flight scope. Have you ever had the opportunity to do that.

Yes, I have.

Yeah, it's pretty exciting because what it does it really measures the impact and it tells you to launch angle, the spin rate and your plud face as well as your angle of attack. These are all things that I call what I call the impact factors that effect how the ball performs. And golf is a gain to control

Well thank you, But.

Why is it you just said I get two yards difference?

Now, come on, people are all excited.

I think that the driver is going to go like thirty yards different. Well, it often doesn't because of this side skin factor. So just think some simple numbers. You could drive the ball two hundred yards that you're hitting with your face two degrees open. That's two hundred yards and twenty four yards of slice. So the end result isn't over two hundred yards is spinning sideways as well

Is I'm always trying to improve the impact.

If I can get the club to hit the ball better, then the result is better. I did not just blow your wait for about all that A lot of good stuff about ballistics, It just bleweat away.

I'm trying to take notes and absorb it all. I think that a lot of people would be willing to take the chance to sacrifice the slice if they can end up hitting their approach shot with a seven iron versus hitting with their hybrid.

You know?

Or is it just because we like it?

Or does it we just like to see things fly as far as they can.

Yeah, typically, I mean when I say you know, and I give it a lot of golf lessons, and the guys in particular, men in particular, but even women say, what was the one thing you want to do? The number one thing that dolphers want is consistency. So I asked the question, Explain to me what consistency is. Well, humans as we are, I think distancy is hitting every shot perfect. So that's not consistent. That's perfection and you're not going to achieve it. So okay, so let's move

You know, not being a teacher, but by getting the opportunity to talk to a lot of teachers. I think one of the things that I've learned most important about how to improve my game was this quest for consistency. I think needs to be there needs to be a mindset shift on how do you deal with adversity because nobody and with anyone who watches the tour, consistency is elusive at best.

And oh, you're absolutely right, and you're.

Going to get yourself in trouble more often than not. The key is how do you deal with that trouble?

Great thing, I think the quote I used that I just gither day and the lesson is the consistency story. Kevin Sutherland Champions Tour player shot sixty nine on the Senior Tour sometime this year and his first round is shot fifty nine. You're always shot in his second round seventy five, all that's fifteen strokes worse in one round. That we're talking a world past player.

On the same golf course, on the same.

Golf course, the same guy one day later, with more experience, and you still fifteen stross worse. So that I think is a good story. Al always remembers, you know, can't always be consistent. But but you're right back. What can you do to handle adversity? Adversity is really learning to control your mishits, and that's a physical thing and an emotional thing. So for example, I go out and I'll whack it out of bounds.

I here this premise shot. Okay. So now there's a couple of choices. I've got one.

I could get mad, I could get frustrated or worse, which a lot of people listening to this would be doing this would start to beat themselves up. Oh I'm such a terrible driver, I am halpless. I you know, I'm no good again to this. Now it is self talk, and before you know it, you dig yourself a big hole and you fall in it. Where the champion mind

And when you're out on the course with some of your students and you do a playing lesson, which I think is so incredibly valuable as opposed to just working on somebody's swing. Are these the kind of things that you try to walk them through. Is how to handle mishits no question.

I mean I'm doing more and more of that.

I mean lesson that's mechanical lessons and more and more on the golf cost. And you have to have a pretty good handle of your own mechanics. So it's important that perhaps you can't fix everything. But one thing I stress is I want everyone to know is what is your natural tendency. So I'd use myself as an example. I tend to swing a little flat. I tend to hook the ball. I know that, so I work on trying to control how much I hook it.

And when I.

Get on the golf course, if I do hook it, I've got to know what can I do, not necessarily to fix everything, but to at least give myself a chance to get around the golf cost. So thread you and I haven't played the golf together yet, hopefully on your next visit to the ball as we'll get a chance to do that that I would look at you and say, here's your tendency.

So you tend to.

Do da da da da dad. Therefore, this is what I want you thinking. This is what I want you where I want you to aim on.

The golf course.

So let's say you tend to fade ball, which nine golfers tend to fade the driver. So the first thing to do is don't aim.

It down the fairway.

Aim it down the left side, because if you if you don't fade it, you've just got a little pull in a semi rough on the left side of the fairway. If you do fade it, you're in the middle of the fairway. So a lot of people who faded the ball don't haven't fixed the fad. But they can't telling me, well, I'm going to I've been working on a closed stance. I said, why on earth if you fade the ball, would you aim to the right.

What do you think?

Because they want to be able to want to be able to draw the ball.

Yeah, you see, that's absolutely niche. Closing your stands has no influence on the golf ball whatsoever.

It's the absolute big smith.

Do you know what that comes from closing your stands?

No, I was going to ask you then why would they possibly do that?

Okay, So here's it's all the golfers listen to this. Thank you golfs for listening to this.

Okay.

So this is Donald Crawley. I'm a brit I grew up playing golf in Britain, so and I studied under some of these old krusty golf prowls from way back length. So let's just go back one hundred years ago. One hundred years ago were the great players. There were all these Scottish guys, you know, Harry Varden, Braid, J. H. Taylor, then this and then bringing Bobby Jones this era. Okay, So they played with hickory shafted golf clubs. They played with a rock used to be called a good percher

If they shot.

Eighty, they were a world champion. Okay, so now fast forward. That gets passed down. So Tommy Ama, whatever, Bobby Jones in particular, let's close the stance and look how Bobby hits this beautiful draw from a close stance. Okay, Now they've worked the swing coming way from the inside, fast forward a hundred years. You don't need to close your stands and start the ball out to the right and

The modern golfer.

Fred's going to go ahead and just close closes stands and not let the closing of the stands influence the swing path and allow the golf club to hit from the inside and close the face. All Fred does is closest stands and goes ahead, swinging outside and hitting a pull face.

Well, let's make sure that we understand what you mean by closing the stands.

That means that your front foot is.

Forward forward right, your back foot, the back foot, the one away from the target, is pulled back versus. An open stance is opening your body to the target.

Yeah, and it's your feet, and that's the thing people close the stands. So typically we'll talk about the right handed golfers. So forgi'sk for right handed golfers and left it's really smart. You can flip it over. Right handed golfer is going to pull the right foot back. That's called the closed stance. But typically your feet are just

That's your feet.

Your upper body is typically left open. Open is to the left, So you can close your stance all you want, But if your upper body is lined up to the left, you will swing to the left. The influence of an out to in our golf swing.

Going to the left open the face, and.

The ball slices, which is why people come from me say normal and close the most stones and still slicing. And the answer and the answer is your feet have got nothing to do with it. Let's close your upper body, let's close your arms and your shoulders. Then you're on the right. Tractor in influences swing path, which will influence the club face, which will end result give you a chance to.

Draw the ball.

Lots of times someone will go, you know your feet where you know your ball went way right? And do you realize your feet were pointing exactly in the direction where your ball went And they're trying to compensate that with opening their shoulders. Is that what they think they're doing.

Yeah, yeah, you're right.

So actually, so let's go back. Let's go back to the fade of the slicer. So the fad of the slicer, why do they slice? Now you're going to get a difference of opinion. Some people would say, well, I'm hitting across the ball that's going to slice. Well, in reality, the face of the golf club if it's open to the swing path, the ball will fade. You're actually hitting at a glance in blow. Okay, So that's what is

They just don't get it. Well, let me tell you.

The ball slices when the face is opened, So just get your mind wrapped around.

It's about the club face.

So if the face is open, you will align your arms and your shoulders to the left to compensate.

For that slice.

When you align your arms and shoulders to the left, you will produce an outside in swing. So it's like what came first, the chicken of the egg. Well, on day one you hit with the face open, the ball sliced. So you learn over a period of time, one year, two years, fifty years, to line you up some shoulders to the left, and now you've groove an outside in the swing. Then you come along and says yeah. But if I close my stands, if I drop my right foot back, I'm going to stop my slice wrong. And

Wow, Wow, that's right.

Okay, So the answer is the true answer is and I do. I hope I don't sound flippant. I've got a dry sense of humor.

I'm a gritzer.

Remember that you're a great Wait a minute, I thought that accent was right from Arizona.

Yeah, he's very brother long lady.

He didn't sound like a local.

So all the slices, okay, lifting up slices. If you're slicing the ball, go and get some help, for someone to teach you how to close the club face. Not your stamps, close your club face and you'll get rid of your slides.

So then it doesn't matter if we're playing a resort course that has wide open fairways or the local or your country club, which the fairways are much narrower. And that's mainly the difference right between country club and resort courses.

Is how wide the fairways are, I.

Would think, and I think I think it depends where you go. But I hear what you're saying. I think, as a rule of thumb, if you're playing a narrow golf call so or here the boulders the south coast is narrower in the North coast. I do not hit a driver on the South coast until whole number eight. And the reason is number one is narrow fredited.

A wide thing.

As I mentioned, you hit a forward, I hit a fair way, would off the first two get it in the fairway. Hole number two is a part three. Hole number three is a bog lean to the right. If I hit my driver, i'd drive it through the fairway. So again, I hit a fairway wood whole number four, I could should hit driver. So I'm sort of on the fence between driver and fairway wood. Number five is a split fairway. You can take the gamble and hit the driver, or you could hit the fairry wood hybrid

So interesting.

So I don't know if I see if that and listeners here because I've never played the card. I hope you get to come out here and play it. I hope I get a chance to help you with your golf game. What I do a lot is what I call a quick fix before you play golf. So if I see Fred and says, look, I don't have time to work on my game. You know I'm a busy guy. That help me, then I'll give you a quick what I call a quick fix or an allo lesson to say, Fred,

Having to wrap your head around too many things.

So that's the first step. Let's give you a quick fix on your mechanics. But then when we play golf. I want you thinking correctly, and I want you making good decisions, good strategic decisions, playing the percentage game, meaning give yourself a chance to succeed. Don't try and thread that ball through a two inch hole through the trees when you could be pitching it over the trees and on the green, saying yourself the.

Scope, Well, we have our number one rule here. Never follow a bad shot with a stupid shot.

That's so true, or an angry shot, which is usually an angry hole.

Yeah, exactly, exactly.

Well, I definitely want to be able to play the Boulders again, because I did succeed in the South course. I had a good round, but it was the first time, and I want to now that I kind of have a sense of how to play that course, I want to go back and try it again.

Yeah exactly. And then you know, one of the things that I stress is then I'll get a plug in here, and my website is called Golf Simplified.

Oh, I wasn't going to let.

You leave without discussing Golf Simplified. I wanted to go there next.

Yeah.

Good, okay, good, let's let's move in there, because that's that's what I teach the here the boulders with the its for Golf Symplified. I'm doing a seminar for PGA professionals.

Golf Symplify. Now that's my.

Little title to it. That's a way to describe it. That by for myself included, I'm ready to play a PGA tournament. I've got to simplify my thought process so that I give myself a chance to succeed.

And play better.

Not a matter of how much you think about it. It's a matter of what you think about and the correct thoughts.

So then golf Simplified for you to kind of summarize that. But that is the name of your school. That is the name of your website, correct, Golfsimplified dot com.

Golfsimplified dot com.

Excellent.

All right, Well, we'll send people there and so you give lessons beyond just what you offer on the website. If people want to come down and visit you and care Free Arizona, you should definitely. If you're going down there, I highly recommend. It is a bit of a drive from you from the central Scottsdale area, you're going far north, but it's worth the drive. It's a beautiful drive, and the course is rather breathtaking compared to a lot of the other desert courses.

It's very different than other desert courses.

It really is one of the things when I've been out in this what we call the Phoenix Valley since nineteen eighty two and me on they had two or three golf courses then, and then when all the resort courses were built in the mid eighties. The Boulders is built with enough space that the houses don't encroach the golf course. What you'll find is the other golf courses in this area that have a good reputation. When they were first designed, they were beautiful because it was just

If you like to take photographs when you're traveling going to golf courses.

I like to do that.

I like to take pictures of golf courses. Some of the courses in Arizona. You know, it's mostly sky. It's it's very flat. You know, there's not a lot of excitement except of a couple of swarow cactus. But the photographs, and I'm going to put a couple of mine up. The photographs from the from the Boulders South Course are so dramatic. I think one of my favorite ones was the giant swarrow cactus right in the center of a bunker.

Oh, that'll be numbers whole number seven. Yeah right, Yeah, you've got this beautiful. Actually, that hole is probably the most photograph because you've got a massive whole boulder where I don't know if you've played what piece did you play for You played the white teeth.

We played the white copper combo.

O the white coup comb up there, which is one hundred.

And twenty five slope, So the heart the back teams were about one hundred and forty slope. That was about one hundred and twenty five. That's more of where our game is.

Yeah, yeah, which is good. I mean, you know, the whole national push t play the tee for would makes sense. So you play a golf course. It doesn't matter which teas as long as you enjoy it. Whereas my mind was going on that whole you were referring to the blue teeth is elevated, which gives you an incredible view. It just made the whole heart of its elevated. And you stood on the top of the big boulders you know, i'd say millions of years old that all the sandy

It's the only hole I double bogie that day.

There you go.

Why you remember the cactus.

Yes, exactly.

But I also want to mention that, you know, you you talked about the homes in the residential area that was built up, but there's a magnificent resort at the Boulders as well. It's not it's a great destination place that you can get away, get some you know, some great rest, but also two rounds of golf right there on the property. Yeah.

It's there's one hundred and sixty two caroceeders, which is it's not a high rise of hotel than a block. And it's these casitas that are scattered around actually on the south course, so you get like your own middle apartment and they just they're real wonderful because they're so unobtrusive.

And then you can.

Walk right from the casino, you know, down to the back first go out to the golf course. It's in fact, I found this place years ago and I played it. I says, well, it's a beautiful place. And then I came on my adversary before I started working here eleven years ago, and so and I it just had a real weekend what we call it a staycation, and we just came, you know, an hour drive away and stayed here for a couple of nights.

And it's beautiful.

And I'm a golf course or it's like usually I don't go vacationing on golf results, but it really is. It's fabulous. It's a great place to stay. It's a one stop shop. You don't have to jump into into cars and drive to the golf course. You just jump on a golf cart and get a shuttle away to the first tea and.

Off you go.

Well, that's a very nice testimony for a golf professional who's like, yeah, I'm going to stay at a golf course. That's pretty rare. Well, I also want to congratulate you. You've received some great accolation on your golf instruction. You've been named PGA Teacher of the Year by various magazines and in Arizona. That's also a testimony to what a great teacher you are.

Well, you know, thank you, very kind of you. I generally say that, fortunately for me in my business, if you get results, if you help people, then those kind of awards seem to follow. And I've been fortunate that I've been on the national Top one hundred teacher list for twenty years and then I've had PGA Teacher the Year twice and some other little accolades, And it's all

And golf simplified to me is very similar to golf smarter in that my sense, what you're trying to teach is that it's not at all about your mechanics, that there's a way to get lower scores, and there's a simple way for you to teach how to lower scores that's not just focusing on banging balls all day.

Yeah, that's exactly right. Golf smarter. You've got it right, Fred, because it is is being smarter, and he's thinking, as they say, golf is about a routine, making sure you're in a consistent routine, which will help improve your consistency. So even if your mechanics aren't perfect, you can still control your golf ball and you can still keep your ball in play. But once you get within fifty yards, that's where the rubber really meets the role. You've got to be able to chip and put it well in

About who's won what, and we think it's because.

They drive the ball three hundred and twenty yards, here's a quick thing about scoring. Bubba Watson, who's a I can't say as a friend that Elisia, so I see indication. Anyway, Bubba hits the ball three hundred and fifty yards and it's ridiculous how far Pubber can hit it. What people don't realize is Bubber is the best long what we call a lag padder on tour this year, which means is Bubba Watson has had the least amount of three

I got a good one for you, and I think I know you have to run. You have a lesson coming up. But Tiger Woods is needing a coach. If Tiger Woods were to reach out to you, it's like, hey, you know, Bubba told me that you teach over there, and I'm heading out. I'm visiting Bubba hanging out, and he was interested in looking for coach. He's looking to hire somebody. And he called you, what would you tell me you thought his issue was and how you would help him.

Well, I've been quoted saying this, the Fosso all quoted again online and Tiger will probably black blacklist and if he hears this, oh.

Yeah, Tiger is going to listen to this show.

Right. It's amazing he's got He's got a hold camp that.

Finds out this stuff.

And Tiger my opinion, my young opinion, is Tiger's mechanics plant the issue. I tell you what, He's had good instructors his whole life, his father, he's had the gentleman that the guy from California told him during I forgotten his name then. But Butcher's a close personal friend is a terrific teacher, did a great job. Hank Haney is a close friend. Hank did a terrific job with him. Sean Foley has done his thing in the last two

Because Tiger can.

Do whatever he wants to do. He's so talented. If he wants to swing flattener around his body with the closed face, he's still with Lady Championships. If he wants to steep and it playing a little bit and start aiming like and trying to cut the ball and do that, you can know every once.

It's so talented.

But will his body hold up to it? Will his knee allow him to rotate through? Now he's got back and knee issues with fault. I really have emphasis of people with back, knee and his issues because you've got those joints that take a lot of stress. So if Tiger called me as a Tiger, we need to get your body in as good as shape as possible, not a matter of change in your swing playing.

Yeah, but this is a guy who has you know, he's very dedicated to his workouts. He has you know, he's changed the style of body for a golfer. What specifically would you have him work on? What would you tell him?

Yeah, it's not about mechanics, it's not about his play and stuff. I mean, you know, because Butch had one thing.

But then Butch.

Basically shortened his golf swing because Tiger's swing used to be too much across the line with the face closed Tiger, and but shortened him up and that helped. But then hank can I agree one hundred percent? He actually had the face closed and the swing was too inside and up, and so he rounded it, flattened it with the face all open, which helped. And then Sean Folly felt that he was too much around and open, so then he bent him over all and steeped in the plane, particularly

Now.

The one thing I would say with the mechanics is his big fear still is a driver.

And I'd have a.

Feeling about the driver. The way he's going about it. There's one mechanical thing i'd have him trying to do with his driver.

Do you sense that he's not confident with his driver when he steps up with it?

Oh?

Yeah, I no, he's not confident with his driver. No, he's fearful.

We all have.

We all fear and miss. I thought Hanks that everyone might do. But hanged a good book of called The Big Miss. And of course it depends on how you interpret it. I thought it was very good. I thought it was it was on his opinion of what he experienced with six years with Tiger. But the Big Miss was right. Tiger is trying to put what we call double crossly, which is to pull hook it. So if you set up down the left side to hit a fade and then you hit a hook, you are royally screwed for the rest.

Of the day. Yes, you are.

You are so fearful of the left side and I believe that Tiger is fearful of that miss and then compensates because he's human. It's what I'd like to do with something a little different with his with his driver and get him drive any better. But you know you have to get into his cany body hold up what he really wants to do, and maybe he can't, and maybe the only time.

To knows that.

So I suppose I'll never get the privilege to find out what he physically can and can't do until you work with him one on one, when you know there's no cameras and recordings around him.

So would you advise him to try to be a little more patient about his recovery of his injuries? Is that what you're talking about his body? Is that just just take some more time off. You're not fully healed yet right.

Oh now, it's been off looking in the last three years. He's hardly played, what between his personal issues and then injury, he's hardly played the last three years. But I don't think he can came back too soon. But I'm not sure that whatever surgery has had or with therapy has had that is recovered. But I don't think Tiger is particular issues or plenty of time to rest. But I wish I could go back and quote at the top of my head.

But it's like, how.

Many weeks is he played? He was offered us eight months and then back for two months, and then off for three months, and no, I think the guy needs to play. And Tiger what used to do? He used to play himself into a tournament. He would practice thirty six holes a day on the week before the tournament. He would play himself into shape, which I think is terrific because he shows he wasn't working on his mechanics and fiddling with his face path and angle and stuff.

I don't think i'd get the conversation far enough into it to allow him to fire me.

Yeah, so the next time I bump into Tiger, I'll tell him to call Fred Green and golf smarter and he'll probably he'll probably rut on the front.

You right, Yeah, he'll keep walking right by you anyway, Well if you're headed there.

But well, I was just thinking, okay, So so Fred says, it's been a wonderful conversation. I'm teaching a young golf professional from Mexico City. He is a wonderful golfer and he is one shot away for as interviewing him on our next podcast, because he's going to be out there.

On the mainstream.

He's currently playing the PGA Latin American Tour, which is the feeding to the web dot Com, which is the feeding the PGA Tour. So he is getting ready to go and play the second half of the Latin American Tour, and I've got to get in shave about one stroke off around and then that way he'll be on web dot Com next year. Then they'll be on PGA Tour the next year. So in two years, I can take my golf simplified on the road on the tour, traveling with my young friend JD Fernandez.

So uhh, that's what I was going to Jd for looking up.

He's a young man.

He's a terrific guy. I've been working with him for four years. He keeps putting up with me. His golf swing is terrific and you see him swaying and people think it's Rolly mckelwroy. So I sent his video to a couple of my friends, like Butch and Hank, and I said, take a look at me, give me a second opinion of my You know, what do you see here? And he said he teaching Rory. I said, no, I wish, but he does look like him and he swings like

So I, oh, well, good luck with him. That sounds. We'll definitely keep an.

Eye on him, as you can tell.

I mean, I love this guy and he's working hard.

So I'm going to.

Work with him today. He'll jump on a plane and then he'll be down in South America for you know, three weeks at a time, and they come home for a week and he's doing ees on top. You know. Then you know I'm rude him for him, you know, because I'm his coach. But this is a good kid, So I hope he makes it.

He's got the ability.

I hope you will come back on the show sometime. I've really enjoyed, I've learned a tremendous amount and enjoyed speaking to you.

Will you come back sometimes?

I sure that it would be my pleasure. Fred, thank you for having me and golf. Everyone listening golf, Smarter golf.

Since this alright, come and visit me at the.

Boulders and keep listening into Stress podcast. It's good stuff and I hope I got another opportunity to chatch a little bit more