¶ USAID Shred and Burn Scandal Discussion
I cannot get my head around a thousand men in less than 24 hours. She said in that clip the longest break I took was three minutes and I think I took four breaks.
In 24 hours.
In 24 hours.
She's also.
That is not human.
That's not human at all, and she's been vocal about setting a positive example for female empowerment.
No, that's not empowerment, that's a lie. Welcome to Going Rogue with Laura Logan and my co-host, luke Coffey. Good to have you, luke.
It's great to be here with you In Fredericksburg, texas, guys. We're at our new studio here In flyover country. Flyover country, that's right In the beautiful, in rural America. Rural America.
I mean, how dare you do a show from rural America?
I know, it's one of the prettiest parts of Texas, though, I know, but is it diverse enough? I know, I know, right, you know. Hey, by the way, who's in your lap there?
Wait, oh, this is honey oh this is okay, so this is, this is our. This is our weekly version of the View, the. View right, we're looking for names to send your suggestions in the comments. We have not decided yet on how to name the show. This is, it is, oh she. Honey, you don't want to talk today?
You've seen honey in other episodes, but we haven't introduced her and honey and we got Keith over there. Howdy.
Can we see you, Keith?
You got me. Yeah, Keith, he's the only one doing any work at this show.
He really does all of it, all of it, actually, yeah.
In fact, there would be no Going Rogue without Keith.
No, that's why he's, you know, right under you, but he's our executive producer, so he does a lot of wears many hats.
You know, under me sounds weird. No, that does sound inappropriate, inappropriate and he's a happily married man and I am.
And you're a happily married woman?
Yes, I don't know how happy. No, I'm just kidding.
Okay, I'm kidding it's not fun out here being single in the single lane.
Well, you chose to move to a small town.
I did, but I'm loving it so far. Joined the wellness center. I'm going to lose 30 or 40 pounds. Maybe Chalk can help with that. Chalk can help with that.
But uh, Chuck, that's one of our sponsors, yeah, it is Um, but I'm doing some spin class. They're going to help you lose weight. I don't care about your spin class. Don't tell me about that no you can join with me.
You want to join?
No, I just, I just canceled my membership.
I did it's pretty fancy there for Fredericksburg.
What are you talking? What do you think? Treating us like some backwater, what do you think? This is, luke. Okay, so what we have here is we're going to be taking on a few interesting subjects every week. We will be looking for input from you. We'll take a subject from the audience and we'll discuss that next time, because we're not live yet, but in the meantime we have.
So Keith and Luke and I are all putting forward subjects that we want to discuss every week and things that are relevant, obviously, and we're going to start today with this issue at USAID, which is not the cutting of the agency and the slash and burning of foreign aid programs, which actually turned out not to all be foreign aid programs, because there was over $200 million to George Soros and his program to put in prosecutors across the legal system here.
Oh, did you see that George Soros had lots of nasty things to say about Trump at the World Economic Forum?
I did not.
Wait, did I say World Economic Forum? It's not called that. I meant the World Enslavement Forum, right, enslavement.
Forum yes, the.
World Enslavement Forum. Yeah, kind of ironic.
Klaus Schwab. Klaus Schwab Sounds like a Nazi. You know when he speaks, springtime for Hitler in.
Germany, germany, it is. It actually is springtime, is it, isn't it what?
are we now Almost. It's March, it is springtime. It's springtime for Hitler. We just sprung forward At the World Enslavement Forum. Yes.
Since they love to throw Hitler, around, I can think of no greater candidate than Klaus Schwab.
He's falling on his footsteps, for sure.
Yes. So George Soros had a lot of interesting things to say about Donald Trump in his speech at the World Enslavement Forum, which, by the way, I was proud to see, has blocked me on X.
That's a big. We need a round of applause for that. Congratulations, that's incredible. That's a big accomplishment.
Yeah, Keith, you can throw that screenshot in there. I think I said never been prouder. Never been prouder To be blocked by the global cult.
That's going rogue right there. I've never heard of it. That's going rogue right there.
And so what did George Soros have to say about Donald Trump? He said something about his narcissistic sort of pathological tendencies, which was really ironic coming from the ultimate psychotic pathological.
He's straight out of like a superhero movie. He's like an evil character. I would cast him.
I would take issue with the superhero part.
Well, he's not a superhero. Yeah, I mean a supervillain. Yeah, supervillain, that's what I mean. Supervillain, yeah.
You know what's ironic, though you know that, saying that only the good die young Like. Why is it that people like really evil people, do seem to just live forever? I mean, he's Saurus, has handed over to his evil empire to his sons now, oh I know, but he's still going, he's still alive.
He's like the Ever-Ready. Bunny. I know he's still spreading vitriol. I mean, I will celebrate the day he passes on.
You're not allowed to say that To the darkness. Aren't you supposed to be a good Christian?
No, no, satan can take him soon. What do you mean? No, yeah, no, no, satan can. But he wants, he'll be happy, it's going to be hot.
Okay, so on this show. Of course, we are not fans of George Soros.
No we're not.
We're just really not.
Or just a globalist enslavement program at all. Yes, that's also not fans of that either. No.
No, but going back to USAID let's not get too sidetracked here, Right. So the topic, the big topic was, of course, this email. Politico ran the big story that the acting director of USAID had sent out this mass shred and burn email, which was on, strangely enough, covered by MSNBC, which always makes me curious. It's like, wow, okay, we know that if NBC is covering it, they're not going to do anything that's going to help the Trump administration.
Absolutely so it's. Why are they doing that? That's the question of the day. But it's pretty awful if they're covering it. So it's. I mean. I mean they're burning, they're getting rid of shredding documents. That doesn't sound like. That sounds like they're covering a crime, doesn't it?
It doesn't sound good it doesn't sound good. No, in fact it sounds not just like you're covering a crime, but you're committing a crime as well.
You're committing crime in general doing that.
Because the standard has always been, you know, in terms of government accountability and record keeping. Right Now, of course, the White House spokesperson and one of the spokespeople at the White House did respond tell Fox News that this was not a crime at all. Fake news. Fake news. Fake news, hysteria. Fake news, hysteria and that these documents were sort of not important, not relevant documents, not relevant documents.
Everybody handling the shred and burn had security clearances and that there were backup copies on servers, on classified servers, so that you're not really getting. Technically, they're getting around the record-keeping part of it by saying that the records themselves still exist right. Right. However, my question would be I'm not a big fan of digital records. I got to say that's true. I'm just not. I know I'm old-fashioned, I know I'm a dinosaur. I am also not a fan of AI.
Those can be deleted too, right Hillary?
Well, they can be altered.
Altered and changed.
And sure you can see that they've been altered. But you can also write programs that conceal that they've been altered. I don't know. What does Keith think?
I think you have to have both.
You have to have both. Yeah, so you can compare.
Yes, and because you know, in order to like for what Doge is doing. I mean, I think they're doing a lot of the work using digital files, I'm sure, in order to process information, like in mass amounts quickly.
Yeah.
But then you have to have the paper trail to support it To compare and especially in government. I mean the whole point is. I mean, they're supposed to be accountable to the people.
Transparency.
Absolutely. They should be having you know. There should be transparency.
Now I would point out that the people do not have access to either the paper or the digital records.
That's right.
So how are they really accountable to the people? Because we don't have access to any of it, but in theory—.
They haven't even been accountable to Congress.
Well, they certainly have not, Although what does Congress do with that? Anyway, we've yet to see Congress do anything with accountability. I mean, you know and we have. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt, yeah, because we're what? 50-something days in giving them a chance to do something about it, but we haven't seen Congress doing a whole lot. And really, if you look at the political calendar, you've got about three months before it's all about the midterms, that's true.
And if you think that stolen elections only apply to presidential elections, come on. What would be the? If you're the deep state, what would be the number one thing that you would do? You're going to wait out. Donald Trump, right? You're going to like a snake, you're going to just shed your skin. You're going to take on whatever skin you need to. You're going to do whatever you can to slow down, subvert.
I mean, we've seen it with law fair more than 100 lawsuits already against the Trump administration. So that's slowing down every single thing that you can do. You're going to subvert from within. You're going to block everything you can and you're going to wait it out. And then, what are you going to do? You're going to try to take that slim majority that they have in the House and the Senate and then strangle them in Congress for the rest of his term.
Right, because you already know he can't run again.
It's wild, I mean. So this is. I mean this whole directive, with the burning and shredding of the documents which we need to watch the report about it and read the email. But this is in response to the Trump administration reducing USAID operations 83% of its programs abroad and the closure they closed the Washington offices.
Yeah, well, they're moving all the foreign assistance into the state department.
Into the state, yeah.
So you know for colloquially, anybody who's been in the field dealing with USAID, anybody who's been in the field dealing with USAID, dealing with the agency. It's just that everyone has always known that USAID is a front for the CIA.
You've been saying it for a long time.
I've been saying it forever, for years.
Isn't that kind of nice validation, Laura, when all these truths that you've been called a conspiracy theorist I mean, we're here at the five-year anniversary.
I don't know what that is. A conspiracy theorist, luke, you're a conspiracy realist. I don't know what that is. That's another CIA talking point. Right, did we vet this man?
No, we have not. We have not vetted him. You were called a conspiracy theorist.
That's a mistake.
That's about him.
It wasn't he involved in J6?. Are you an insurrectionist?
I am an insurrectionist.
How dare you poke fun at one of the worst days in the history of the United States of America?
Yeah, it was the worst day since Pearl Harbor and 9-11 and Civil War actually.
It was. I personally feel very threatened by the fact that you prayed at the Capitol on January 6th. I think that's very good.
I mean well speaking of accountability.
That's terrifying.
Speaking of accountability, those that have been persecuted. I'm one of 1,600. We have seen lawfare come after us and we would like to see now that there's transparency. We would like to see accountability for crimes that have been committed. Just what's happening.
There's exposures great but if there's not a follow-up to that, Well, okay, so you raised two important points there, and one of those points is that something that is happening to a lot of January 6th defendants is that the Justice Department is, for example, not returning their possessions.
No Right, Still waiting on mine FBI oh there you go and also, you know, still holding January 6th defendants to post-release provisions Right, and the pardon, clearly the presidential pardon from President Donald Trump clearly ends the entire sentence. It's done, it's gone. So you're not supposed to still be held to these probationary conditions. Can't do this, can't do that. I mean it's and there's increasingly. I mean I've been talking to a number of different J6ers.
They're still being prevented from really taking their place in society.
Well, we're still tarnished. I mean, it's already been and, honestly, if you Google my name right now, it still comes up from the DOJ, their press release, that I was convicted of seven of eight charges. So they haven't cleared, they haven't said well, actually, no, his case has been dropped, which is what happened with your case?
Because you had the weirdest, weirdest case where you actually your case ended. You went to trial because you didn't want to bear false witness and plead guilty to the charges, which were that you were accused of a variety of things, including assault with a deadly weapon.
A one-pound crutch assaulting a female DC Metro cop that three times on the stand said I'd never touched her and the video evidence backed that up.
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¶ Capitol False Flag Operation Discussion
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Yes. You went over to where this crush of people was being pushed out of the west tunnel entrance by the police.
And you prayed Also being pushed into the tunnel.
Well, before that, they were being pushed into the tunnel before and then being pushed back.
Yeah, provocateurs were pushing from behind into the tunnel. So it was this kind of battle that was going on, but it was yeah. And so it was this kind of battle that was going on, but it was yeah, and I had no, I believed it was. There was a false flag operation going on. There was I don't know if I've ever told you this, but there was a gentleman that walked. They're saying the same line there are people dying inside, we need patriots up here.
And then there was a commander they called him the scaffolding commander that was yelling get your weapons and pull forward. This guy's never been charged to that day, to this day, or was never charged.
So even at the time, in the midst of all of this, you felt like it was a setup.
Oh yes, so I'd been warned by a buddy that was former Naval Intelligence that could be a perfect scenario for a false flag operation, and so I didn't get up there until about 3.45, 4 o'clock and I was headed back to my hotel that day and to go really to take a nap, I charged my batteries. I was filming, documenting the day, most of the time at the Ellipse, jeremy Brown being the last person I talked to before my camera died?
Who was a former Green Beret? Who was just finally released?
Finally released. So yeah, as I walked back to my hotel in Pennsylvania, there were three you know suspicious young guys with brand new Trump hats you know, make America Great hats that said there are people dying. So it was the same line over and over again. And it was and I've done. You know I was a commercial director before all this went down and it changed my life.
But I've done about 300 castings and I know bad actors, I know I've dealt with them and so as I was walking up there, it was like and they were all walking towards, like out, towards the crowd, and they you know, they believe 50 to 60,000 were there at around four o'clock when I was walking up there, but there was one guy that was just over the top. We got to get in there, it was just so over the top and he had this blood running down his face. Just, just, oh just, it looked completely fake.
And as I got closer it was like that is stinking stage blood, which I've worked with. Yeah, and when I wiped it and I said people, they're trying to escalate this, I mean it was so obvious, laura, I mean so-.
You were actually saying that to people around you.
Yes, yes, and I said, you know, I was thinking how great it would have been if just all the true patriots we just got down on our knees and like, prayed and then showed, showed who all the fake ones were, the provocateurs. But it was just very obvious who was trying to instigate and escalate and so, but that's when they gassed the tunnel and pushed everyone down, that's right.
When I was just got up there and there were people that were screaming, women and men that were underneath this pile of three to four bodies, yeah, in fact Philip Anderson was one of them, tommy.
Tatum was one of them. Old people that we know that. I know well that I've interviewed and I've known for years now.
Yeah, and a lot of these men that were around and saw the violence there were locked up. I'm in the 1% lower that based on my charges that wasn't, you know, thrown in prison for all this whole time.
Yeah, but see the weird thing with you, though, was you go to trial and the trial ends. How long did you wait?
for sentencing Over 350 days before I got a verdict.
Because before you got a verdict, yes. Yeah, you were never sentenced, yeah.
No, I was never sentenced, but I got a verdict right in December.
That's the weirdest part. Yeah, I was never sentenced, but I got the verdict right in December.
That's the weirdest part. I mean almost a year, yeah. And I will say and this is an echoing of what other J6ers have said it was the judge shows a bench trial, so you have a choice to do bench or jury Jury or a bench trial. Jury is 100% conviction rate. So bench I had my judge was Rudolph Contreras who was on the FISA court. He let me know this, he didn't. Let he let me know. Peter Strzok is his neighbor, he's on the FISA court and he was on the Flynn.
Peter Strzok, formerly counterintelligence for the FBI who was heavily involved in the false persecution of President Trump and General Michael Flynn over Russia.
Russia collusion that wasn't he was also on the Flynn case. So he let me know that multiple times before, even when we were about to begin our trial. But he didn't say that's not gonna prevent me from giving you a fair trial. He basically stated that, in fact, that that could be a reason that I wouldn't get a fair trial. So his prejudice over the whole situation. But this is what I was, echoing what many other J6ers have said.
It was like he was reading the script from the prosecution at sentencing. He wouldn't even look me in the eye. I did a five day trial with him. I told my whole story, I told my life story to him, looked him you know I'm long-winded so I looked him right in the eye, made him laugh a couple of times. Think we had some camaraderie. But the day he read my verdict it was like he was handed over.
It was same language of the closing argument from the prosecution, which you're not supposed to use, and so it was just. It was like here's the script, judge, and that's what did.
And he couldn't look at you.
No, he couldn't look at me. Wow, yeah, I was trying to make eye contact with him.
Yeah, and he wasn't having it. But literally, luke, a five-day trial and then you waited how many days for him to deliver his verdict.
I waited 350-plus days. It was like 352 or something days, I mean.
I still can't get over that. I mean, we were in touch during that time and it was like the judge hasn't even given you a verdict, Right? I mean, nobody I've ever talked to has heard of that.
No, I mean, most people waited at most 45, maybe 60 days.
Yeah.
For a verdict that's crazy.
And then he finds you guilty, but before you are sentenced you get pardoned by the president.
I don't know if that was his way of. It was like he waited till see if Trump got in before finding me guilty. So still keeping face, I don't know. We really thought maybe he's going to go my way, you know. But I mean, how can I? But then I wrote an open letter to Trump and the gateway pundit published. That basically was saying this is why it should be a case for, why there should be blanket pardons.
I was literally convicted of assaulting a police officer that I never touched and the only touching I got was her beating me.
But between beating Roseanne Boylan yeah, who died, who died, who died. You know, and it's still just incredible to me that I see conservatives and you know, I see people all across the media, um, and and and not just you know, uh, liberal left-wing media still saying that Ashley Babbitt is the only person who died on January 6th, the only protester who was killed, and it's like, does Roseanne Boylan not even exist for these people?
I just don't get it. And you just think about. We came out of the Summer of Love, where it was justified because of George Floyd, st George Floyd, that it was all you know, that those riots were a justified political reason.
That's a different issue.
Right, that's a different issue, luke, sticking to the point here, no, my point is if that you know, there was a woman that was beaten to death by a police officer.
Yeah, so you imagine if, during the George Floyd riots, if a protest had been beaten to death?
by police. Well, and I mean to bring race into it if it was a black woman beaten by a white officer, everyone would know her name, but in this case it was a black woman beaten by a white officer, everyone would know her name.
But in this case it was a black officer and a white woman. Yeah, Well, we all know about the double standard and the hypocrisy today. It's incredible, okay, but what we're talking about is really the fact that people who have been pardoned from January 6th or had their sentences commuted, you're still not allowed to have your VA benefits, and you know there's all kinds of things I mean. People's lives have been shattered.
Completely shattered and you're still tarnished with. You know there's people that don't agree with the partying, and so you know you're tainted.
I mean I've personally been attacked for being associated with you.
I'm very sorry.
Well, I know you have and bringing me on as I think you owe me an apology, liz Well.
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.
That's not going to do it. You don't have to-. Do you want me to get on my knees Every week.
Okay, every week. I'm sorry that you're associated with me Every week you're going rogue with me, yeah. Because we're rogue warriors. Okay.
So this is, I think that we can agree. We're going to come back to this subject of what's happening to January 6th defendants, because this is actually a real issue that the Department of Justice maintains your conviction on its records and it somehow considers itself exempt from presidential power.
I know that there are very good attorneys and criminal justice reform advocates who are working on this particular issue actually separate from January 6th, and a topic that I definitely want to come back to on this show is criminal justice reform, because, speaking to a lot of January 6th defendants, that has get away with with uh crimes and that prisons should be holiday camps, but at the same time, um, there is so much that goes on inside the prison systems that is just uh, unspeakable.
¶ Prison Corruption Exposed Discussion
My, my main guard when I was. I was locked up for 50 days here in Texas and I was the only J sixer in my whole prison, um, and I was locked up with. You know, it was a holding, federal holding facility in. Mahea, texas called Limestone County and, uh, you know, it was what I saw. Uh, my, I had. I was thrown into a cell with seven other. These guys had all been convicted of felony crimes and they were just waiting to be sentenced.
But because it was COVID, all the you know, the courts were closed, everything was backed up and they're so. They were held for months and months waiting just to be sentenced. So I was thrown in with these these guys and the guard was passing drugs to. They were smoking K2, the guard was passing drugs to. They were smoking K2, which is synthetic marijuana, it's more actually like PCP. And one of the two fights I almost got into was they were underneath.
Every night they would hot box which they'd put sheets down on their bunk and go underneath and smoke the K2 that the guard had passed them.
Doesn't K2 make you psycho? Oh yeah, that's the psycho drug, right it makes you.
yeah, and yeah, it's very prevalent inside the prisons. You can actually make it from cards that you get. If it has the paint, you smoke that. So they outlawed that when I was actually in there, because people were doing that.
But this, this particularly guard, had, like you know, what looked like meth mouth and was just, you know, wow, working with these, these guys, um, you know, and, and they had, I heard they have calls that they yell down, that gives different signals to pass the drugs and all that I mean. And so it was just yeah, and there were other guys that got out with the guards and would have, you know, relations with the female guards. Oh really yeah.
So, I saw Seriously, you saw that.
Yes, so it was incredible because I'd gone in I shouldn't be shocked, should I? No, you shouldn't be, but I'd gone in I shouldn't be shocked, should I? No, no, you shouldn't be, but I'd gone in. My dad does prison ministry, so I've gone in as a guest, you know, for the day, but it's a little different when you're locked up for 50 days. And we couldn't go outside for but six hours. We were locked up in this one 15 by 30 cell with eight other guys.
It was, but you just saw, I mean it was and this prison was already condemned and but they kept it open because of COVID. Our water was brown, the food was, Did you drink it? I had to. I mean I also vomited up.
but Would you?
Yeah, but I have a sensitive, you know, gag reflex. Oh, that is true, we have experienced this ongoing rogue right, keith.
Yes, yes, luke's sensitive gag reflex is definitely going to be an issue.
Yeah, a recurring issue. Luky pukey pukes.
Pukes.
Luke, people call me pukes Wow. Just sensitive Anyway, so yeah nasty.
That is not sexy.
That's not a well. It's not sexy at all, but it's also Right. It's also yeah, it's not very conducive for a nasty prison. You know where it's pretty dirty in prisons, by the way, too.
You drank the brown water and you would throw it up, but what did it taste like?
I mean kind of like mixed between yeah, it was crappy.
Oh no, it was poop water. Yeah, kind of poop water. You drank poop water. Yeah, it was crappy. Oh no, it was poop water. Yeah, kind of poop water.
You drank poop water. Yeah, it was not good.
I have a feeling you're going to be single for a lot longer if you keep doing this show.
They're going to have to love me for who I am. I am who I am. Should I put on a mask?
No, anyway, an insurrectionist who's drunk poop water. Yeah, I know. A failed insurrectionist. Can I add that?
Yeah, a failed. But this is what. I don't know if I've told you the story before, but I was on TMZ the night I got checked in and this was God's like hedge of protection over me. I was getting, as I was getting checked in, with the warden. You know the warden's going through, he's like gang affiliation. I said, sir, I've never been arrested in my life you know, sexual preference.
I was like I like women and uh, but as I was, you know, it was like this dukey brown, uh, like your, your prison garb, and you get crocs um this.
¶ Prison Experience and Brotherhood Reflect
These guys, these two, two guys came up and said Luke Coffey, luke Coffey, we just saw you on TMZ, man.
That's because of your acting career, right.
Yeah, well, yeah, or failed acting career. They called me fledgling actor and independent producer and fledgling actor, Luke Coffey was arrested, but so it spread like wildfire in the prison. So they either called me the insurrectionist or Hollywood. So it gave me that.
Gave you a little bit of a glow Street cred. It gave me some street cred where I didn't have to join.
I mean, I know some guys that had to join the white knights or one of the to survive in there, which is white supremacist kind of gang.
And that's not your thing.
No, I said I'm not. I you know, and these guys were like you need to pick a tribe in here and I was like no, I'm just going to roll with me and God and that's what you said. Yeah, I was friends with everybody. I'm the same person I was. I mean, god did take all the way my fear, I mean, and I was going to go down down fighting, you know, if anything.
If anybody got too friendly in the night.
Yes, yes, got too friendly.
Nobody try to climb into your bunk.
No. No, I did have a bunk mate that had horrible gas, so that's not so good for somebody that has a sense of gag reflex.
That can happen on the outside too, though, in fairness, it can.
Yeah, you can choose a mate that has that, I guess. But anyway, so yeah, I saw the inner workings of a broken prison system for sure, and just from what my father has experienced being a prison minister, he's seen a lot of just yeah it needs to be reformed.
So those guys who were like coffee you know there's a lot of these were black guys.
Yeah, I was and this is another funny thing was one of the brothers we worked out together. These black guys and I were. You know, I learned all this prison thing. There's prison pizza, which is you basically put all the stuff you buy. So, commissary, is the saving grace. It's all fake, horrible food.
Yeah, that's what keeps you going right.
Well, it's fake foods. It's horrible foods, it's all like you know Doritos, but they have jalapenos. Well, it's fake foods, it's horrible foods, it's all like you know, doritos, but they have jalapenos and stuff you can make. Bring some flavor to it. The food had no flavor. So we had, you know, prison pizza is where you put everything together and then cook it in the microwave and it's just this nasty goodness. And it was actually good, because the other food doesn't have any taste.
So, but yeah, as I was working out with these guys, this one it was the Dallas wing of the prison. It was about a prison of 2,500 men and women, but this guy was like you know, it was like there was a coffee I played against in Dallas. I think he went to Highland Park, he was a running back. And this guy I'd played against him Dallas. I think he went to Highland Park, he was a running back. And this guy I'd played against him in high school football. Yeah, and he remembered me.
I was like bro, that was me.
He was like no way we got a Highland Park rich boy in here.
I'm not a rich boy, but that's you know, so that made its way, but Highland Park is a wealthy area of Dallas. That's a wealthy community, it's a wealthy area of Dallas, so anyway, so it was just. Yeah. One day I walked for three hours back and forth, like 15 by 30 cell, just to get some exercise because we weren't allowed into the yard because of COVID and stuff like that.
It was dark but God definitely carried me, but it was a very and I was writing the whole time because I've been, I played a prisoner and I've played an insurrectionist, I played a domestic terrorist in multiple shows.
So how was it being a real prisoner and a real domestic terrorist? It's not. It's not, it's more fun. It wasn't as good as the movies, no, no, it's more fun when you can take off the outfit and leave at the end of the day so would you have played those roles differently? Um, after this experience, well now, I mean now that you have a better understanding- absolutely.
Yeah, now I could absolutely so it was and I actually got I'd watched a lot of prison shows, so that was kind of that's how I referenced it that I was just gonna say let's work in the uh, yeah, usa okay wait, wait.
I had one last thing I wanted to get from you, luke is you know? You told me something once that you know there's all these, there's all these, obviously, these different gangs and everything, and it's a lot of it's divided on racial lines inside a prison, but you told me something interesting about how the brothers in prison really reacted to you as January 6th guys.
Yeah, I mean, they embraced me and they thought it was a joke. You know, based on it's like we all convicted felons, you picked up a crutch and you know. So they really did. Well, obviously, you know, I became more friends with, I had more of those guys in my cell.
¶ Pornography and Exploitation Discussion
What did they say about Trump? What were their feelings on Trump?
They liked Trump. They thought he was gangster. So most of them supported Trump and it was interesting. And then, of course, the white knights. They said coffee, we got your back. And I was like no, no, no, I'm good man, I'm good, I didn't want to be associated with it. They all Nazi tattoos and everything.
Yeah, that's not your thing, Not my deal, but I was called a white supremacist Of course, that's why it's so interesting and a racist and all of that and all those things, none of which, is true. It's ridiculous.
So, luke, I want to talk to you about something that I find very disturbing. I gotta be honest, bonnie Blue.
Real name, emma Billinger.
Yes, okay. So this woman I thought it was bad when the other OnlyFans girl was, you know, talking about how many Men she slept with In her record. I thought it was bad when the other OnlyFans girl was, you know, talking about how many men she slept with in her record. But Bonnie Blue, sort of challenged, was like a challenger right and was then— she has the world record. She has the world record.
Most men in 24 hours, 1,057 men in one day.
Okay, I find that it actually hurts. Let's take a look at Bonnie Blue talking about her record.
Came down, had a drink. I think my longest break was three minutes yesterday and I took four breaks in total. How many Indian guys? Quite a specific question that.
We don't really track race, so unsure.
I don't, yeah, I don't know. I had one guy from Turkey. I remember that because he was asking me to guess where I was from.
I had one guy from Turkey.
I remember that because he was asking me to guess where I was from. This is a woman taking questions from people.
No, I'm just reading your comments. About sleeping with. Just remind me, just because I actually can't get my head around it sleeping with how many men?
1,057 men in 24 hours. She said I have had more cocks than John Wayne's gun. That's her quote.
Okay, that is painful. It is, that's painful. I am just I, just. So the reason this came up right now is there's a new video out, which is there's a new video out Bonnie Blue picking her custom-made sports car. Her first supercar, it's a Lamborghini. So when this came across my X-Feed, I was just so sad that not only does this woman do this absolutely horrific thing to herself and set, but now there's this whole culture around it where this person is being elevated for this.
Celebrated.
Celebrated, elevated and rewarded, rewarded, and the rewards are prolific, right, because I mean she's having, she's receiving, a custom made lamborghini. I mean, how much money does that cost? That's just an incredible amount. And then and this is, you know, this is part of this whole it's almost like a cult around her, um, and, and it's just feeding the beast, feeding, feeding the beast, feeding the beast. Like I don't even know where this goes from here. But let's take a look at this clip.
You ready to see your one-of-one custom 458 Liberty Walk? I am. I'm ready, fully customized in blue wrap, carbon carbon everywhere, wide body kit.
yeah as she requested. So I mean, look at this there. P4. P4, p, p4. P4. P4. P4. P4. P4.
Blue seat belts, blue dashboard blue on the steering wheel as well.
So off. I see all the blue playing on her horn. Name Bonnie Blue.
Bonnie Blue, yeah, okay so that's Ferrari, right, keith? Oh yeah, that's. Oh yes, ferrari.
You don't even know the difference between a Lamborghini and a Ferrari. What kind of co-host are you? Okay, she's. And then what's the other thing with her, luke? Oh yeah, with the spring breakers.
Yeah, so she's made her. You know she's an OnlyFans creator, right? Which is this OnlyFans culture is out of control. But she's been infamous because she sleeps with both married men, and then she goes on these spring breaks. She's in Cancun right now and she In Mexico. She's, yes, in Mexico. And the contest is she wants to find someone young these are barely legal young men, she's 25.
And she wants to sleep with, or she wants to gift, help, pay for college tuition to the male the young male barely 18-year-old that gives her her best, oh, orgasm. So it's a contest, for she's going to I think she slept with, she went to Fiji and the Bahamas before and just sleeps with these young boys. She wants to teach them how to have sex.
What is wrong with what is I mean? I don don't understand what is wrong with us as a society where this is a thing I mean, let's go back to like, remember we.
We grew up in the 70s, 80s, 80s yeah, I'm 53 yeah how old are you? I'm 46, almost damn it, I'm a little younger, but I mean, think about just in general, we're living in this highly sexualized culture. I mean, I remember, keith, what were some of the 80s movies we watched that had, like you know, that were a little provocative Porky's, porky's and stuff like that. If you look at that on the scale we are, now, oh my gosh Dirty Dancing. Dirty Dancing yeah.
Okay, that was positively racy.
Well, right, and I remember this is like the first time I saw a female breast was an airplane. Remember the old slapstick there was one and we would freeze, frame it when this girl would just, it was everybody's freaking out on the plane and she would run right across frame and shake her breasts and we'd freeze it as like seventh graders, like oh, there's boobs. But now we're living in a time where it's just, everything is so sexualized.
If you want to be, have your own you know porn account, you have OnlyFans. I mean, it's just yeah. What does that say about a culture that has fallen that far?
I mean I know I'm, I mean I'm not. That has fallen that far. I mean I know I'm, I mean I'm not, I just I'm speechless. I literally am speechless, I cannot.
You have, children, you have.
Yeah, I have two daughters and a son, all teenagers. I just I can't believe this. I mean, there's so many aspects to this right. I mean, first of all, onlyfans. How many times have you heard somebody say oh well, I can just show my feet on OnlyFans have an. OnlyFans account for people with a foot fetish and I can make all kinds of money, and what's wrong with that?
I mean, is it better for somebody to be stealing or selling themselves on the street, having to be a prostitute, or is it when I can just show photographs of my feet and people with a foot fetish can send me money? So that's the argument that's made, right, right, but OnlyFans is like a. I mean, this is literally a doorway to exploitation.
It is, and you know in general because of all the research you've done about trafficking, that pornography is rooted in trafficking and supporting the industry.
It's even worse than that. It's even worse than that with child trafficking. What I've learned is that pornography is used as training. This, literally, is how they train kids in what's expected of them sexually, so that they know. Yes, I mean kids and young girls, young boys. Children are literally raised on this pornography.
Number one it normalizes what they see, right, and there's many different forms of pornography, right, it's not just you know sort of you know what you see in a racy movie, right? Right. It's not some sort of beautiful romantic sensual scene between two human beings. There's all forms of pornography. Yeah. I mean all kinds of stuff, stuff with animals, stuff with violence, stuff with sadistic forms of violence, you know, and torture, and so I mean kids are literally trained on this.
It's kind of like a gateway drug, right. It's like a doorway to a much, much darker world.
Well, let's talk about the progression, because it really, if you think about advertisement and just how magazines became more and more sexualized I mean, back in the day it was like you had to go buy a magazine, oh you mean those kind of magazines.
Yeah, no, like Playboy.
Well, no, I'm just saying in general. You've seen just magazines in general have been more sexualized and then you've always had you had to go purchase a magazine.
But then the internet was created well, I grew up in South Africa yeah it was illegal it was illegal to have any kind of pornography. Oh, yeah, those were banned.
Playboy and and hustler, right, those were banned yeah, it's all bad, but hustler is another level.
Is it?
Yeah, I think so Because I think there's acts, sexual acts, in Hustler.
Well, I've never seen a Hustler magazine. However, the point that you're making is that it's gone from that to where you really can access pornography anytime you want to. You have a computer in your, in your phone and now, of course, remember, you're not allowed to talk about, about um, prostitutes. It's got to be sex workers, sex workers right and and you saw how. You know how do they refer to her as an adult, adult content creator? Yeah, exactly.
I mean, this is she. Yeah, also made was made famous because she sleeps with married men, you know. And there was also. There was a documentary I watched recently and that's celebrated. That's celebrated. There was a documentary about what was Keith the? It was an online where you could sign up to have affairs.
you know, ashley Madison, oh yes, yeah, when that list was published there were a lot of marriages that came apart.
Yeah, but it was almost like it's celebrated to go. There were billboards you want looking to have an affair? Join Ashley Madison. So it's just. I mean, to me this has spiritual roots, you know it really does that. You know sex has become. When you just give yourself away like that, you're showing your body. I mean, god created sex. He did, he created. It's a beautiful thing. But when it becomes there, you're giving it away to everybody or you're making money from it.
I mean it just that's where you're. That's exactly what to me. You know you're falling from what? Who the person God wanted you to be created to be. That your body's exactly what to me. You're falling from who the person God wanted you to be, created you to be. Your body's a temple. Your body's a temple.
I just think that there's.
¶ Impact of Pornography on Society
I mean that it's dishonest, right, because I'm always looking for honesty and integrity in things, and what I tell my kids is that you're being sold a lie. They're telling you that you can just, that there's no price to this, that there's no cost.
There's no cost physically to you, but also spiritually and emotionally to your soul, and they're also teaching you that there is nothing spiritual or there's no connection between an intimacy between two human beings, as if it's, you know, as if you're just a piece of meat. Right. Right, this girl, I mean I cannot get my head around a thousand men in less than 24 hours. She said in that clip the longest break I took was three minutes and I think I took four breaks. In 24 hours In 24 hours.
She's also-.
That is not human.
That's not human at all, and she's been vocal about setting a positive example for female empowerment.
No, that's not empowerment, that's a lie. That's a lie and she's selling the lie, she's bought the lie and she's selling it to other women and other girls and then it's presented as if oh, you know, my life was boring and it was difficult, I was working an office job and you know, and now my life is so much better because, look, I'm getting custom-made Ferraris Right. I mean, that's just staggering to me. That's an example that you're setting to young people.
That that's what you should aspire to be. But how different is that, luke, from you know, when you look at at cardi b, and then you look at uh and doja cat and all these people in the music industry, and they're doing these hyper sexualized videos and songs. I mean, I just tell my kids where's the mystery.
Exactly.
What if you? Where's the, where's the magic?
Yeah, keith, what do you think? I think that, um, it's so on so many levels. This is, this is a problem, and it's sort of this convergence of technology and the internet and how easy it is to see. This is what Luke was saying earlier it's how easy it is to view porn for young boys who are discovering their own sexuality and that this culture of spending so much time on these devices it's damaging.
It's damaging these young boys mostly young boys, but young girls too to have access to that, and what happens is you get addicted to that dopamine hit and you keep coming back and that, like what you're saying, it almost has to get more extreme and more extreme to reach the same, to hit those same dopamine spots, just like a drug right.
It's a total addiction, like the first dopamine rush is. You know, you're always trying to replicate that, yeah, and trying to get back to that.
And meanwhile these kids are losing touch with what it is to actually speak to a real girl in real life and what a real girl is, and they're just becoming these dysfunctional these dysfunctional.
And I would argue, if you have a girl celebrating the fact that she literally lay there and I, I you know, one man after another, after another, after another, um, that it's not just the boys, I mean you. You have obliterated. You just obliterated any sense of morality, any sense of self-worth. My mother told me. She told us when we were kids look, if you want to come cheap, there ain't a boy in this town who won't take you and you will always be that girl, even at your funeral.
You'll be that girl. You'll be the town bicycle for the rest of your life. You can go on to win the Nobel Prize and at your funeral you'll still be that girl. And I didn't want to be that girl. You know what I mean. And she said you put a price on yourself. You decide what you're worth and other people will treat you accordingly. What happened to this person? What happened to us as a society, that we're teaching our young people that you're not worth anything?
It's a godlessness.
It is, it is and the reality of it. If you look at Hollywood and where culture is sprung from, is music, movies, media and the power that has. And you have one life. You have live it up, seize the day, like this Carpe Diem thing, and you don't realize that, like the other girl spoke about that, she had traumatic issues.
You're literally opening you're opening yourself the one before the one before, Didn't she have?
she spoke about having.
She had 100 men in 14 hours 100 men in 14 hours.
Okay, compared to 1,057.
In 24 hours. Yeah, it's disgusting Well they have this incentive.
I mean, look what she's getting now. She's getting cars, she's famous. Yeah, and so people have this perverse incentive for these types of behaviors that are going to get them clicks. That are going to get them deals that are going to make them money and make them famous, and so we have this perverse. She has the incentive there and she's obviously this perverse. She has the incentive there that you know and she's obviously she's, in a sense, selling her soul for it.
And it's the self-love I mean, it's just like you know, do as thou wilt is what the satanic Bible says Live as you please. There's nothing you can't taste, Do, snort. You know that that's the way you live, Like that's a fulfilling life, Thinking that there's nothing greater beyond this life. But if you look at you know there are soul ties. I mean, if you get on a spiritual level, there's every person you sleep with.
That is a spiritual connection, Like, whether you knew it or not, and bad things can come from that, you know. And doors are open, Just like when you do a drug. These are opening spiritual doors Absolutely For oppression from, let's talk about it.
¶ Dark Side of Idol Worship
But we're living in a society too that it's idol worship. We're literally like it's Hedonism, yeah, hedonism, and we have everybody's looking to their idols and celebrated themselves. I want to be famous, I want to be famous, I want to be. So it's just, and it's the dopamine from the clicks and being celebrated and wanting that fame and fortune, you know, and that all ends, you know, in a dark path.
I mean, you've seen how many Hollywood child stars and just just people that have had had all that and are still not fulfilled, you know, on a deeper level and this woman I can. I can tell you that she's not. There's no way she could be happy.
She might be happy for a minute there a minute, but you were saying about how you know every, every person you sleep with your your. There's a soul. There's also a scientific thing where, actually, for a woman, every man you sleep with your DNA is their DNA stays with you.
I've read that.
Seriously yes.
I'm going to have to think about that one.
That's a scary thought.
Well, I just wow. I mean, obviously, for me it's a little bit stunning. Having been a victim of gang rape, I just I can't help when I think of this. I can't help think of that. I can't help think of this, I can't help think of that, and it's like the obliteration of someone's mind, body and soul. I see this person, who's obviously very beautiful, casually talking about these things as if it's nothing, and I'm reminded of what my mother always said about there's a price for everything in life.
Honey's very upset by this. Honey, what do you think? Yeah, she said no, that's terrible. I know it's terrible, sweetheart, I'm also having a hard time with it.
I know, honey, it's pretty rough.
It's rough honey. It's pretty rough, it's rough honey. But you know, on a serious note, I just I you know, with the other woman, lily Phillips. I kind of felt for her because she was sort of emotional in the documentary that was made about her and you sort of you had a sense of the cost to her and you had a sense of the cost to her. But this woman, bonnie Blue, she doesn't seem fazed at all, she doesn't seem to care, she's enjoying the fame, she's enjoying her lifestyle.
And I actually want to yell at her and I'm so angry as a mother. I really am. I'm so angry as a mother that you would hold this person up as if they are something to aspire to, and I'm reminded of all the people around her. There's the people filming, there's the marketing people there's the business people. There's the social media people. There's an entire industry now around her that's elevating her. How much money have they made out of OnlyFans? I mean, who are the people?
Not to mention the technical side of it. There's the server companies, there's the technological infrastructure that supports this and I look at all of that and you think about all the people that are making money out of this and it makes you sick to your stomach. It absolutely makes you sick to your stomach and for me, it raises a very serious question about technological infrastructure and what we are supporting.
Because from OnlyFans, how many people on OnlyFans are being exploited and trafficked? How many of them are underage? How many kids I mean? We know that kids have sued. There's been lawsuits to have. People have been put on OnlyFans without even their permission. You don't even own your own image online. What are you pulling up there, Keith?
It says OnlyFans says that they've reached $6.63 billion, almost $7 billion.
And this was just through November 2023. Okay, so it's not. That's just the latest that they've the latest they have so it's grown exponentially since then.
It's billions and billions.
They get 20 only only fans gets 20, while the creators receive 80 of um. So I mean that's yeah, I think all these that's a poison chalice.
It is.
And there's, I guess there's girls that don't. There's different levels of OnlyFans that don't show, like you know. Some just are in bathing suits and being sexy, and then they have some, you know all the way down to which you could call grooming. Yeah, exactly, or you know training, Training yeah, preparation. And I I wonder, do they have a? Surely they have an age limit they don't allow. Can girls underage be in bikinis and stuff on OnlyFans? That's what I'm wondering.
I guess not, but yeah, I don't know.
But what I do know is this how would they even know?
Exactly? How are they proving? How would you, how do?
you verify that? Yeah, and they'll tell you that they do their best right to verify it. Yeah, but in this I mean there is a bigger problem here 18. With technology that technology is a. It just connects Right Every bad person on the planet, anyone who's ever had a bad thought, you know, or who wants to indulge in really dark pastimes.
They have the access to it now and they also have validation, because now every dark, perverted soul on earth has a community of dark perverted souls and their little niche, weird fetish.
they can find it because now you can connect to it.
Yeah, and not only that, but now you can connect to it. Yeah, and not only that, but now you can make a lot of money out of it Right, exactly, and that's what the dark web is about, and there's an entire genre of pornography, now called hurtcore, which is sadistic pornography. If I were to start explaining to you what some of these things are, I mean people will turn off this show.
There's literally things like a blood show where they will cut certain veins in a child or a baby because they want, when they rape that person, that individual, to have the biggest blood show, because there's people who get off on seeing lots of blood and so they figured out how to do this and you can pay to do this. There's live rapes of I mean men, women, children, babies, where people can participate in the torture live from all over the world.
I want to know who are these companies that are assisting in the transmission of that data. Who are the people who own these servers that are storing this kind of content, right? I mean we know that, for example, ericsson owns the National Child, runs the National Child Exportation Hotlines in over 150 countries, and all the child pornography that is reported to those hotlines is stored on the servers that they run.
So how much does Ericsson know about who's involved in child pornography just by hosting those servers? What happens to all that child porn? You run AI, facial recognition software, voice recognition software? How many famous people have they found, exactly, have been involved in that right? Right, I mean, imagine the power that that gives you Exactly.
Is that why Erickson can get away with providing geolocation data to jihadis to kill American soldiers and be called out, you know, and settle in US courts with the families of soldiers who've been killed, pay out millions of dollars and still keep all the government contracts that they have?
You know, we really have the marriage between, you know, culture, wars and the hypersexuality of our culture, coinciding with a godlessness that has really taken root in in a lot of uh, especially western culture, and uh and technology, though the marriage of those three things has created a very dark age that our children are growing up in well, and you know that some of this is rooted in Satanism.
I mean that they believe that they're getting by having relations with a young child that they're getting a power, they're opening up. I mean there's spiritual reasons as well that people are doing this.
Yeah, well, look at all the blood replacement therapy that's going on. Exactly, and all the people across normal publications, NBC, USA Today, I mean you can find it online. People will tell you the secret to staying young is young blood. Okay, what's the extension of that? Well, you've got Elon Musk's former partner at PayPal right, who vacates his blood every month and he takes a transfusion from his son, His son yeah. And he gives his blood to his father, right, right.
And then they've got videos. You can play some of those clips.
¶ Truth, Depravity, and Cognitive Dissonance
They've got videos all over YouTube and all over online about replacing their blood and about this quest for eternal youth, and there's a lot of media out there about reversing aging. Even Elon Musk has gone on and said that aging and death will be a thing of the past, right In the not too distant future. So you have all of that. So, basically, this gives rise, when you have a legitimate, as far as we know, industry of blood replacement therapy Right. Where does that give rise to?
Of course, illegitimate industries around it, right, the black market. YouTube is not going to like this episode. Well, that's not surprising, no Right. But what does that give rise to? Exactly and and who asks, okay, when you're doing I mean it's. It's all over the media that young blood is the secret to reversing aging and all the rest of it. So that's generally reported, so, um, but nobody asks where does the blood come from?
yeah, right have you ever? Have you ever thought about all the vampire movies? There's maybe some truth behind all that, truth hidden in fiction.
Actually Luke.
Yes.
I'm glad you mentioned that. Okay, good, because what is? cannibalism. If you look back throughout history, in societies where there has been cannibalism, what would they do, what would they believe in after the battle? If you drank the blood of your enemy or ate the heart or ate the body of your enemy, it would give you extraordinary power If you made human sacrifices. If you look at ancient societies, they talk about human sacrifices. What is that? It's exactly the same thing.
You're drinking the blood to take that power that comes from that, from that practice, yeah, of that practice, yep. And so if you actually start to trace these things, they're as old as civilizations, nothing's new under the sun, as it says in scripture.
Nothing's new, it's been going on, it's just repackaged. You know, repackaged and sold a different way. I mean, and now what the difference is, as Keith discussed, is we now are aware of so much more because we're living in this technological age where stuff is being exposed because you can go find it if you're looking hard enough or if you want to, and people are blowing the whistle about it. We're having SRA, sexual ritual abuse. You know victims are coming out and speaking about these things.
Yes, I know a number of them, you do.
In fact, we're going to have some of them on this podcast.
Yeah, so it's. That's what's I mean. I think we're seeing the depravity of man at a level you know. That's always been going on, but we understand and people that don't that you know, don't want to know about it, are putting their head in the sand. It's cognitive dissonance because there's so many people that will just turn it off, they don't want to hear. What's your response to that? Like that? I'd rather not know.
I guess when I woke up, like 10 years ago, to some of the evil, depravity of our true world we're living in, it made me sick for months. It really did it totally changed. It was like my shook, my worldview, and that's why I think a lot of people get so angry. I had, when I was trying to expose some Pizzagate stuff years back, I had a friend who was a Christian. He would attack me.
I'm just like, bro, if you don't believe it, that's fine, you know, because it made it rocked his worldview, that cognitive dissonance. Not wanting it, he couldn't, he couldn't comprehend that that was going on, you know. So what is your yeah, what is your response, knowing what Laura Logan knows and the depravity of man, like just what we should know and shouldn't know? I mean, what's your opinion on that?
I mean I'm somebody who, for all of my life, I've never been afraid to confront the truth. Yeah, you know, I mean I've been like, I'm like a, I've got like a homing beacon in me. Yeah. And I'll just keep going, just keep going. And what's kind of funny is people ask me over the years because I've spent so many years on the battlefield and I've been in many extreme and violent situations and seen a lot of things that people, the average person, doesn't live through or deal with.
And so people ask me all the time are you traumatized by that? And honestly I have to tell them I'm not. It's not that I'm not affected, but I've always just confronted these things and dealt with them and I've had a very grounded sense of right and wrong and who I am and what I believe in. And I've just was born with an unshakable belief in the goodness of who we are when we're at our best. You know, I really do believe that good is more powerful than evil.
So it's that that's kind of, and everywhere that I've seen really dark things and terrible things. I've seen true greatness as well, and so I understand that for some people these things are hard to confront. I think we're just sort of rapidly going past the point where you can worry about that, because children are literally being raised in a world where they have no privacy. Technology is completely taking over their existence.
Um about that because our children are literally being raised in a world where they have no privacy. Technology is completely taking over their existence. And you're celebrating uh people who sleep with a thousand men in less than 24 hours. I don't even understand what that I mean. I don't even understand that. And, by the way, you're supposed to, you know, ridicule uh people who believe in god. Right, you know?
And and we're all supposed to believe that everything just created itself and that, by the way, is a completely sane position to hold, and anyone who believes in anything else is insane. And so I feel like there's too much at stake. There's too much at stake. I feel like each one of us is responsible for ourselves. It's incumbent upon you to figure out what's real and what's not real. It's not up to me to dictate to you how to live. It's not up to me to tell you what to think.
You've got to make your own decisions. I was gifted with a purpose from the day I was born. I've always known all my life what my role was. I was meant to figure out what the truth is, the best that I can, and to tell as many people as I could. That was it.
So, whether it was uncovering the injustices of terrible racial inequality under apartheid in South Africa when I was growing up, exposing that, or whatever it comes to today, the reality of the industrial-scale rape and murder and torture of children, which passes under the safety label child trafficking, I mean, whatever it happens to be, I'm not going to shy away from it. You know this will truly be the golden age of America, that's what we have to do.
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¶ Syria
And speaking of difficult subjects, by the way, difficult things to look at Syria.
Syria.
What's happening in Syria at the moment? It's wild. Is a whole nother thing. I think there's been some clips circulating on social media of what's been happening, of attacks on Alawites, which is a minority in Syria, and on attacks on Christians under the new government in Syria post Bashar al-Assad, who ruled for all those years. Let's take a look at some of what's been going on in the last few days and weeks in Syria. This is a clip.
Come on, come on, come back, come back. That's it. That's it. I don't want to be a soldier. Yeah, come here, I'm going to take you.
Where are you man? And I'm thinking the one right after this. If you look at the one right after this, there is a man that they just throw around and then execute him. Where did it go? Oh, that's another one. Yeah, so this is what's been happening in Syria over the last few weeks. So this is like. Syria is like a big sort of untold story. Yeah. Really where it's happening in the background, but people are not really paying a whole lot of attention to it.
And what's your opinion? Why is the Western media not like? Why aren't they caring about what's going on in Syria, and I mean Christian persecution is going on in North Korea, somalia, libya, yemen, pakistan, sudan, iran.
What's happening in Syria is partly about the Christians, but it's not just about the Christians. Yeah. So I mean, what did you have? You had Bashar al-Assad ruling, who was a member of the Alawite minority, who was ruling over Syria for decades, right, who was a sort of a mini, a junior partner for the United States. I mean, egypt was one of our main partners in fighting Islamic extremism. United States, I mean, egypt, was one of our main partners in fighting Islamic extremism.
And Bashar al-Assad was, you know, someone else who the US would call on to help us with a lot of our dirty work. Quite frankly, right. And so now was Assad the embodiment of, you know, democracy, freedom, democracy, freedom, human rights? And no, he wasn't so. And there was a terrible incident with a number of children that were murdered in Homs in Syria, which really kicked off the war, sort of an uprising against Bashar al-Assad in Syria.
And the US, of course, was this, through, the CIA was backing Syrian democratic forces. But what quickly developed in Syria and the US, of course, was this through, the CIA was backing Syrian democratic forces. But what quickly developed in Syria was this narrative that came out of Damascus, the capital pushed by the Assad's government, that he was fighting terrorism and Islamic jihad. And of course, that was only partly true.
I mean, really what he had was a civilian uprising that was very quickly infiltrated and taken over by Islamic terrorist groups, including Al-Qaeda and other spinoffs of Al-Qaeda and ISIS and various Islamic groups, and so you had this mixture of people in Syria fighting Assad's regime, where some of them are backed by the West and some of them were hardcore Islamists tied to Ayman al-Zawahiri and al-Qaeda itself.
And al-Jalani, who is the leader of Syria today, was an al-Qaeda foot soldier when he was a young man, and in fact so he was raised in Saudi Arabia, but his family came from the Golan Heights, which is the disputed territory between Syria and Israel, so he went off to Iraq to fight for Al-Qaeda as a young man. In fact, later he was imprisoned by the US in Iraq, spent a number of years I think from 2006 to 2011, in US custody.
But he's a very interesting man because, you know, at one point the Islamic groups within the opposition in Syria were fighting each other for supremacy, so he sort of has had varying relationships with ISIS in Iraq and with the al-Qaeda command. More recently, there's been reports that he separated himself to a degree. He formed al-Nusra Front al-Jilani did, and what he did was basically he did something very clever he conquered Idlib province in Syria and that became really his stronghold.
He brought opposition groups together and he really established HTS was his organization, this sort of coalition of groups, and that allowed him really to challenge Assad's regime, sort of at the end of last year, and defeat Assad, I mean, which resulted in Assad fleeing the country and, you know, one of the sort of the oldest dynasties in Syria crumbling right in the Middle East, crumbling. And then Jalani, you know, took over and as the sort of the acting he was appointed.
He didn't run for an election, obviously, but he was put in there and what he's done since then has been very interesting because he's brought various factions of these opposition groups in syria into the syrian military right and so, uh, and then he starts to reach out. He's, you know, he's establishing diplomatic relations with the russians and with the chinese and with the european union. You know, don't think you can put it all on Russia and China.
The Europeans are right in there establishing relations with this, really this former Al-Qaeda fighter who's been an Islamic extremist all of his life, and they're beating a path to his door. And they're beating a path to his door. But what's really interesting about him is that he brought in initially you know as an Islamic extremist the Syrian Democratic Forces, the SDF, who were backed by the West.
These are people that he would not associate with right Anyone who was taking money from the CIA or from America and all the rest of it. He didn't want to have anything to do with them because that would be counter to the ideology that the West is the big evil. But he has since brought them into the fold and you could argue that these are the realities of ruling. You could argue that these are the sort of the realities of ruling right.
Is that now, as a ruler and as a leader, you don't have the luxury of as a revolutionary or a resistance fighter or an Islamic terrorist. You now have the practical realities of you're in government and you have to rule and you're going to make compromises and you're going to build relationships in order to function and survive.
Power corrupts Absolute power corrupts Absolutely right.
You know you could take the argument that it's pragmatic. Right. Or you could say it's corruption. I mean, if you're an ideological follower of the Islamic ideology that has fueled him all his life, you would say that he's betraying that ideology. Or you could be a pragmatist and say he's doing what is necessary. Right. Because he's really now. If you look at it, the Islamic caliphate is growing and growing and growing.
Right. Right, because on 9-11, Al-Qaeda didn't have any states Right Anywhere in the world. Now you have an Islamic state in Afghanistan. You have an Islamic state now in Syria. I mean, the caliphate is growing.
And did our CIA take part in training and establishing that in Syria at all? I mean Al-Qaeda.
Not al-Jilani Not al-Jilani. I mean because he was actually imprisoned by the US.
Right.
But prior to that, you know, the heart and soul of Al-Qaeda is in Afghanistan, right, right. And so was the CIA involved there.
¶ Syrian Opposition and Military Clashes
And has the CIA been backing other opposition groups in the Syrian opposition? Yes. Right, but I think what I've learned over the years is that these simple lines that we like to draw between these are the good guys and these are the bad guys. I mean it's pretty blurry. Yes, I mean look at USAID. I know I mean pretty blurry. Yes, I mean look at USAID.
Usaid has been taking American taxpayer dollars and funding Islamic extremist groups or funding organizations that they knowas, which is still officially a terrorist organization. How many laws does that break? Let alone. I mean, besides the moral component to it, right, and I don't mean like I'm not giving al-Jalani in Syria a pass, I'm not taking a political position or a moral position on what he's been doing.
It's just very interesting when you look at this man's trajectory from being a foot soldier for al-Qaeda, who was radicalized according to some things he said in the past, but his path was really born out of the Palestinian uprising, which is not uncommon. I've interviewed many jihadis who were inspired by what happened to the Palestinians. It's a rallying cry. It's something that Osama bin Laden knew very well.
It's the one thing that unifies Sunni and Shia, that unifies the Arab street is the Palestinian cry, right. And so it's very interesting that right now, when you have all this movement for Palestine happening all over the world, but who are loyal to Assad, who are supposedly fighting the regime in Syria, which is now the opposition, right?
So the government forces in Syria are now the people who were the opposition, which is an amalgamation of the Syrian democratic forces that were funded by the West and the plethora of Islamic groups that were aligned under. Hts was the organization that Jalani ran, and so you have all of these different groups. But when you dig down, so across social media, you see a lot of people will say well, al-jalani pretends to be a moderate, he pretends to be that.
He's sort of now is a world leader and he's stepping back somewhat from his jihadi extremist roots, and yet he's. If you look across what's happening to Christians and Alawites across Syria, you see these horrific videos right. There's people in Latakia, for example, where there's just bodies as far as the eye can see whole villages, latakia, for example, where there's just bodies.
As far as the eye can see, whole villages, whole villages, and there's crucifixions.
Well, have you seen the crucifixions?
Well, they're being shot too, I believe right.
I know. But the only reason I say that is when this was happening in the north of Iraq and I investigated this for 60 minutes. You had to see it to believe it right Because one of the things that's happening is we're covering these things from a distance now. We're not on the ground anymore because-.
And they could be old videos or whatever, too right? Well, and I'm not saying that it's not happening.
I'm just saying I always try to be cautious. So when I dug into some of the violence, I mean there's no question that there have been hundreds and hundreds and probably thousands of civilians who have been killed in the violence. There's no question about it. You can't deny what you're seeing. And to me, it's disgusting that you see this reporting from New York Times and other places where they say that there's been reports of civilian killings and things and it's like it's not reported.
There's entire videos. There's such a game that's being played on so many different levels here. I called Joe Biden out on this to his face in 2017, in early 2017, when I was at a—I'll just keep the details. I'll keep the details slight, but I was at a dinner with him. He was opposite me, across the table, and he and Jeb Bush were taking turns bashing Trump. They were going on and on and on. It was like a ping pong match taking turns, and I wasn't even a Trump fan or anything, but I just was.
It was on and on about. It was all the talking points that you know were so obviously untrue and it was nauseating. And eventually he's and then he was going on about and you know Trump is an unreliable partner in foreign affairs because he won't keep his word. And that's when I said to him, I interrupted and I was like oh, you mean like when you and Obama didn't keep your word with the red line in Syria, you know, I said and and what was his? response oh, what do you think? What do you think?
I said when, when you actually opened the door, um for, uh, the Russians to go balls to the wall, basically, basically, because they knew that the West wasn't coming to help the rebels in any meaningful way and hundreds of thousands of Syrians have died and been wounded and been driven out of their country ever since and they're still suffering right now. And he said, oh, I don't think that's right, I don't think that's when that happened.
And I was like, oh no, and I went through it in detail that's right, I don't think that's when that happened and I was like, oh no. And I went through it in detail and he was absolutely, absolutely apoplectic, livid, angry, but he couldn't take it out on me because he had no comeback. He literally had no comeback because he literally had no comeback because it was true and so anyway, he shut you up a few a few minutes later.
A few minutes later he got kind of annoyed because that sort of opened the door for other people at the table to start raising things that were not challenging, but a little bit, you know, it had been pretty sycophantic up until that point. It was kind of like everyone sitting there listening, you know. And then people started to say, well, you know, and what about this, and what about that? And he got really mad and he said I'm not going to talk anymore.
And that was the point at which a very nice man, who I shall not name, said oh no, please, you know, please, don't like, don't stop talking, because we really want to hear. You're a great talker and we want to hear what you have to say. And then he threatened to hit him. Really. Yeah, he said, let's take this outside, I'll show you. And he lost his shit at the table. Nobody could believe it. Nobody could believe it. And afterwards Valerie Jarrett came up and tried to attack me. Really.
Yeah, and said by the way, I want to say that what you did to the vice president was extremely disrespectful. And I said to her, with all due respect, ma'am, it's former vice president and I don't agree, and I don't agree. That was it. There you go. Yeah, so it's just anyway. We're getting off track from the Syria thing. But what has happened recently is that the Syrian opposition has been in. Well, not Syrian opposition, they're now the government forces.
Government forces have been in violent clashes with the reportedly remnants of Assad, his loyalists and, of course, as always, civilians are just being massacred, and the videos don't lie. I mean, you see incredible brutality. There's videos of men being forced to crawl on the ground, barking like dogs that were reportedly executed afterwards. Although you don't see that, I mean, it's a good chance it happened because there's plenty of execution videos.
And what has happened is that the leader of Syria, al-jalani, has actually said that they're going to take action. So it remains to be seen. He said, even those close to us. Now, you might look at that cynically. I looked at that cynically at first and I was like, oh yeah, sure, they're going to take action. But when you start to drill down on it, the reporting isolates two factions of the opposition that are now part of the government forces that have been behind a lot of the killings.
It is possible that Al-Jalani could these people could be trying to discredit his efforts. No. You know, by allowing. Or it could be that they have carte blanche and he's being a typical hypocrite who's in power and saying what needs to be said publicly when they get shamed spreading terror but then pretending to be sorry about it.
Or it could be that this is an opportunity for him to cleanse the ranks of his forces of troublemakers, people that are not really on his side, that are part of the opposition forces he brought together. I mean, we really don't know. The truth is we don't know because, number one, enough time hasn't gone by. But number two, how do you get reliable reporting these days?
I mean people are getting the news from X, you know. I mean that's the reality. We're not seeing, we're not hearing about this on mainstream news. I mean the killing of least Christians.
But do you even watch mainstream news?
I don't anymore, but I'm watching it, I'm seeing what I see and they're not covering it, they're not putting it out there.
Well, there's been very little foreign coverage of any kind since Donald Trump was elected the first time, right.
That's true.
I mean that's really when it dropped off the map and as a foreign correspondent and a war correspondent, I mean that was something I was acutely aware of. But even for me, someone whose entire life has been, that I noticed, I mean it was so consuming. What was happening in the US was so consuming because it's so catastrophic. Yeah. You know, I mean it really is.
It's catastrophic when you have a United States president being accused of being a Russian spy and Putin being his handler and you're watching, basically, I mean a real insurrection happening, that's true.
Exactly.
And nobody's doing anything about it. I mean that starts to be like this is the seat of power in the United States of America, the bastion of freedom for the world. It's being torn apart from within and people aren't paying it. I mean that's catastrophic, right? Not that what's happening in Syria isn't catastrophic, but it just feels like we've become so myopic and it's bizarre because, in theory, X is the eyes of the world, right, but it's thoughtful.
It's really thoughtful, investigative, long-term. It's an investment in reporting that you're not seeing, and I mean how many independent reporters can afford, like the way cbs would send me and other reporters all across the world? Establish a bureau. You know to the tune of what I mean millions of dollars right right to to maintain a bureau in a war zone. Uh, for years, that's millions of dollars right, what independent broadcasters can afford that?
I mean most independent broadcasters are just trying to survive hell.
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And to close out this week's episode, I do think it's really important for us to extend our condolences and to send our love and prayers to InfoWars, to send our love and prayers to InfoWars, to Alex Jones and his team over at InfoWars, because of the terrible murder of Jamie White, one of his reporters in Austin. Really really horrific crime. I mean still early days. Early days. Right now we don't know a whole lot about it.
I spoke to Alex. He said he'd been shot in the neck sort of assassination style, and I know from my own contacts and intelligence that there are active threats against Alex Jones and another show, another American journalist, a couple of other American journalists right now, and this is a difficult time, this is a dangerous time for the media. It's obviously a huge shift in how we get our news and how we report the news and all of that.
But I just I don't want it to get lost in this moment that a young man left work late on a Sunday night and never came in the next day and was shot and killed in a really horrific event. So we're thinking of you over at InfoWars, we're thinking of Jamie's family and we're sending lots of love and prayers and strength to all of you.
¶ Building the Train of Truth
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