STOLEN ELECTIONS with Gary Berntsen & Ralph Pezzullo | Ep 45 | Going Rogue with Lara Logan

The Mexican cartels. I know everyone in America talks about the Mexican cartels, but they're not the big boys, ladies and gentlemen. They're not. They're the drivers. Everybody talked about Chapo El Guzman. He's a bloody driver. He's a nobody. Okay, he's a nobody that had $1.4 billion, but these guys have hundreds of billion. There are at least a dozen people in Venezuela that have more money and power than the Central Intelligence Agency and money to spend on operations.

Welcome to this week's episode of Going Rogue with Lara Logan. We have a really important episode today. It is quite earth shattering and it affects every single one of us. You probably haven't heard this before and there'll be a lot of people trying to tell you it's not true, they're lying. But before I get into that and introduce my guests, I would like to begin with a word from one of our sponsors.

Right, I was very fortunate to have a good career and had great mentors. I grew up in the Middle East division of the CIA, was a Persian speaker and it's great to be with you here today and to be with Ralph.

Well, and I want to dig more into what you've done, because I think it's pretty extraordinary and people really need to know and understand so that they can. That's a good context for evaluating why you're here today and what you're talking about. But your partner in crime, so to speak, ralph Pizzullo Ralph, you and Gary have been working together a long time.

You're a fabulous author, oh, thank you, but you've done a gazillion books, thank you.

It's like what? Is it like 60?

No no, no 30. 30.

Yeah, I know You've done 30 books. You're a great writer, thank you, thank you. A brilliant man actually. Thank you, thank you. Not as wild and crazy as Gary.

Not on the surface.

And author of a very famous book, Joe Breaker, which actually was featured on 60 Minutes when I was a 60 Minutes correspondent.

Yes.

And I was really jealous because I wanted to tell that story. I haven't been in Afghanistan, but you didn't pick me, gary. You picked somebody else at 60 Minutes to tell that story.

I was on NBC. It was the very first interview as an NBC interview and I did CBS, but you did the interview with Hank Crumpton years later there. And the Pan Shearer and I watched that and you interviewed Amrullah Saleh during that. It was a great interview. It was a great show.

Thank you. That one is very close to my heart Hank Crumpton, former CIA. He's my boss, yes Great man and Amrullah Saleh, the great ally of the US in Afghanistan, head of their intelligence services later and then, of course, betrayed by the Biden administration.

Me too, still waiting Me. I'm bitter as well. A lot of people, yeah.

But Jawbreaker was the story of how you went into Afghanistan with a small team of clandestine operators and really laid the foundation for the Afghans to move on Kabul in the US bombing campaign. And it was an amazing book, incredible story, what you did and you and Ralph teamed up for that. Yes, and you have. So you've known each other a long time now.

Yes, we have. How many years, ralph? Since 2005,. 20 years, okay, 20 years yeah.

And now you have a new book out.

Yes.

Which is really one of the most, probably one of the most. I don't think it's hyperbolic to say it's one of the most important books ever written in the history of this country Because and I have it right here Stolen Elections, the Takedown of Democracies Worldwide. This is a subject very close to my heart because I spent two and a half years after the 2020 election.

Yes, it's a. It's a system that that originated in Venezuela and in the early 2000s it was a computer system that was originally designed to help Chavez win the referendum in 2004. He was in trouble, he was going to lose.

Hugo Chavez was the president of Venezuela at the time.

The president of Venezuela, and he had to hold a referendum according to the Constitution.

And he knew he was going to lose.

And the Cubans told him. The Cubans were very close to Hugo Chavez. In fact, he considered Castro to be his father. He was an illegitimate son and Castro took advantage of this. He saw that Hugo Chavez was needy psychologically and developed this very close relationship with him. Of course, he had ulterior motives, because Venezuela is one of the richest countries in the world.

And he wanted to dominate Latin America.

He wanted to dominate Latin America. So, going back to 2004, he tells Chavez. He says you're going to lose, you're going to lose the referendum unless you do something. And Chavez is like you know well what do I do? And they came up with this idea. Well, there's a new technology. It's called electronic voting. Electronic voting, and if you can develop software that can be used to manipulate the results of electronic voting, maybe we have something.

Lottery machines, lottery machines. They went to Italy. They flew to Italy and got thousands of those machines and inserted the source code and the software inside those machines.

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Genucelcom slash Lara. That's Genucelcom slash Lara. And the election. Hugo Chavez wins the election, the referendum, by a slim margin and he is thrilled, castro's thrilled. So they give these engineers $200 million and they say, ok, perfect this system, yeah, and let's try to apply it to some elections in Latin America. And they do that and they end up in the early 2000s. One election after another.

And nobody sees it, nobody says a word, nobody knows, because nobody understands the technology. Nor can they read the code.

Nor can they read the code. Nor can they read the code.

Nor do they have access to the code.

That's right. So what happens is that these three gentlemen start a company in the United States.

Which three gentlemen? The same three Venezuelan engineers, oh, the same three engineers Antonio Mojica, Roger Pignate and Alfredo Anzola. Antonio Mojica, roger, pignate, pignate, pignate and.

Antonio Mojica, antonio Anzola, and they were Venezuelan Americans, all three of them.

Well, yeah, because then they started Smartmatic right.

They were the founders of Smartmatic.

They were the founders of Smartmatic, which they did with Venezuelan money.

And Boca Raton, yes, boca Raton, florida, yes. In Boca Raton, florida, and the source code was always owned by the Venezuelan government. That's important. So they were able, through corporate manipulation, to always hide the true ownership of Smartmatic. Well, they did a fake sale, right?

Because when the US Treasury Department, because what happened? They started to buy up and people realized wait a minute, we got these. Venezuelans who are involved in our elections. What is this? And so they had that Treasury investigation slapped on them. That's right and they started to fight it, that's right and then they were like no, this isn't going to work.

That's right. It all happened in around 2006, and there was a political officer in Caracas.

Downs Well, actually the ambassador was Brownfield.

Yeah, brownfield was the release.

I don't remember his name, but Brownfield released a cable from the US Embassy in Caracas that laid out the suspected criminality of these individuals and that company very clearly in a full five-page report.

And he's an American diplomat based in.

Venezuela. He sent it to the.

State Department. We don't know what happened to the cable, but he lays it all out, lays out all the questions. Like this company, smartmatic, is winning contracts in election districts all across the United States and it's Venezuelan-owned.

Yes, how can we have a foreign company own the software for our elections?

How is this allowed?

Yeah.

In 2007, they bought another company called Sequoia and migrated the software into Sequoia voting machines. Yes, sequoia had been a voting company for many years and they applied for the permit to run elections in California, california. At the time, you had to go through the Secretary of State and the Secretary of State had to do an examination of the software to see if it was legitimate. And they hired a bunch of engineers from MIT and Berkeley and they went through it and they went.

Smartmatic comes in. They reintroduce yeah, smartmatic comes back in. And, by the way, california is the only state in the nation that still has Smartmatic run its elections. That's right, yeah, los Angeles. That's right, los Angeles.

There will never be a legitimate, accurate election in Los. Angeles County with Smartmatic running it, you're basically you're allowing a foreign country, an enemy, to run elections in California, in Los Angeles County, and that's been duplicated in every swing state in the United States. They're all run by another company called Dominion at a certain point.

With the same software right.

The same software, the same source code, it's been modified, and so on and so forth.

But it's essentially the same.

It's essentially the same In all of these companies.

That's what I found when I did this investigation. That's right, you know I was like well, they're all using the same software.

That's right. You know, I was like well, they're all using the same software, that's right. In this particular case, it went from. Smartmatic, as Ralph said, to Sequoia, and then from Sequoia they were forced, because of the CFIUS investigation, to sell it to Dominion, which was a Canadian company, yes, out of Toronto, that had only run one small election in a Toronto suburb in a period of eight years and that was a company that was in sort of a Soros incubator up there.

But they sell it for next to nothing. It's not a real sale. So when they buy it now.

They have control of those machines in 22 or 24% of the market in the United States, but primarily the swing states for electing a president of the United.

States and, as everybody knows, you don't have to win in every state, because you look at the map of America, there's more. It's a sea of red with tiny pockets of blue. And so you just if you can win those swing states, you can take an election, and if you control the machines, you can hold on to power forever.

That's right and that's what they've been doing. So the first election that they ran in the United States was in Cook County, Illinois. It was in 2008. It was the Democratic primary between Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. And Clinton who had been Secretary of State, had a big profile, she was favored to win and they manipulated that result. Roger Pignate was actually one of the founders of Smartmatic went there, helped run that election and Obama won.

will be pro-Cuban and support the revolution yeah.

Which is exactly what Obama did.

Which is exactly what he did, and so since 2000. Because he changed.

Remember he lifted all the restrictions.

He got rid of the sanctions, he got rid of the travel restrictions, he went to Cuba.

And he went to Cuba. Yeah, I mean I know because I went to Cuba several times as a journalist for CBS during Obama's time. Yeah, yeah. I went and did a whole series for CBS News, you know, which was all about, oh, the wonderful reawakening and reopening of Cuba. You know, of course, you couldn't find any toilet paper anywhere. You had to carry your own toilet paper.

Nobody talks about that part of communism right and Marxism. Line up for days at a gas station.

Only can buy certain things from the grocery store on certain days. Can't buy your own home, so you've got generations of families crammed into buildings where they have to take turns sleeping and standing. Yeah, I mean, they leave that.

They don't put any of that in. No, we just. Oh, isn't it cool.

Cuba's got all the old 50s cars. Never mind that you can't drive for five minutes without one breaking down.

The important thing to understand here is that Smartmatic has its office in Caracas and it's co-located with the Consejo National Electoral, the National Electoral Commission, and there's 150 Smartmatic engineers and 150 CNE engineers side by side. They have two missions Number one steal elections. Number two defeat audit, study audit. How do different states and different localities conduct audit, do their audit so that when they're audited, you defeat audit.

So that you can't find patterns.

They prepare an election a year in advance. They have the poll books. They have hundreds of people, they have statisticians, they have comms engineers, software engineers. This was the science of engineer theft and a multi-billion dollar business globally.

And that's what you document in this book is how they have. It started in Venezuela and, yes, it spread to the United States, but they have stolen elections all over the world. Yes, that's correct In fact, you know, there's that famous video on YouTube of the Philippines parliament right when they excoriate a man called Haida Garcia who's an employee of Smartmatic.

Yes, that's correct.

And they know that their election has been stolen. They know Smartmatic is responsible. And I mean that guy sits there and he gets beaten up by the parliament in the Philippines and then they banish him, right, they kick him out of the country and where does he go? He ends up in Tarrant County.

Texas Forward Texas. Right, yes, he's the election commissioner. Yes, now he's in Dallas. Right, then he moved to Dallas.

Yeah.

And now he's the president of Hart InterCivic, I believe, yeah, which is another company. It's Hard Indecivic or it's.

Smartmatic or it's Sequoia or it's Dominion, but they all use the same software.

And the best part is the first election that he runs in Texas. He had a county that had been red for 67 years straight and in one election cycle he flipped it blue.

Well, it shows you how far they've penetrated our election system. So, these engineers, they end up running elections in all these counties. They take over, that's part of their contract, and so they develop expertise and they learn how to penetrate our system. They learn how to hide the results, and they've been doing this since 2008.

Do they get help from the US?

Yes, yes, they do get help.

Let me talk for a second about how the investigation begins. In 2020, I am with my business partner and we do asset recovery. We were studying and doing filings against the Cartel del Solos, the largest criminal cartel in the world, a drug trafficking which is Venezuelan, which is the Venezuelan regime.

Cartel of the Sons right.

Yes, and it's called the Cartel of the Sons is because it's the Venezuelan army. They have sons on their epaulets, not stars. So the Venezuelan army is the logistical arm of the cartel and it's led by Nicolas Maduro, the president. The president of Venezuela is the cartel leader, right? So we're doing this investigation on the filing and we see the election happen. And I turned to my business partner. His name is Martin Rodil. He's a Venezuelan initially.

Well, there were a lot of people in Venezuela who felt that right, I mean there were protests and there was an uprising, a backlash against it, because the Venezuelans didn't believe the election result.

So within a couple of days we had an individual in Miami contact us. It was a university professor in Venezuela that had trained many of the people that were working for Smartmatic and he told us the story of how they were stealing elections and he knew quite a bit. Then he introduced us to an actual employee of Smartmatic and that individual had a family member that was involved and he was murdered by the company and that story was unbelievable.

Great man.

And when we met General Flynn, he took us to a place and we met with him and a man by the name of Patrick Byrne.

And Patrick Byrne. I know Patrick.

Patrick Byrne is the man that ultimately financed this. None of this would have been possible for us to recruit a dozen of these things. To pay for all, we built a computer lab. It was just unbelievable. We got images of elections that were released by courts so we could practice with them, and the engineers, and so we got members from not just Smartmatic but from Dominion, from other companies all these people that did this and we literally had a computer lab outside the United States.

How'd that work out?

And when we briefed the FBI officer and they saw that, they said Mr Bernson, you need to flee the city. The FBI, my supervisors, if they see this, will find a way to destroy this and they will charge you with crimes of some type to stop you. And I didn't think that was funny and I said we're not fleeing. And that FBI officer said look, you need to help us because I know what you're doing. I understand you're trying to save the country. Go to the Congress and go to the media, they'll help you.

was that.

Mark Wayne Mullen of.

Oklahoma yes.

He's a real man that guy.

He's a real man. He is a hell of a guy Also went and rescued people in Afghanistan.

He's a hell of a guy and when he saw it, but it took us years to get to him.

Yeah.

And all this time, Patrick Byrne and all these engineers are engineering and re-engineering and moving country and doing all of this stuff.

Patrick is kind of a savant Engineering and moving country and doing all of this stuff.

Well, patrick is kind of a savant, and Mike Flynn, though, was a real hero, because Flynn believed in us, went to see the engineers. He didn't want to just believe us, flynn wanted to talk to the engineers. He was like these are the real engineers. They built the damn system these people.

That was the unique part about their investigation is that they had recruited the people who built the source code, who were running the system, who were running elections right, so they could tell them. You could go to them and say how did you steal this election? And they go okay, we did it this way.

Listen you know what that's called a first-hand source? Yes, it is First-hand source.

Nine months before the election, we think, okay, this isn't working out with the journalists, this is not working out with the Congress. Bloody people don't want to help us.

Again, gary, you went to the wrong journalist, right, right.

So let's go to. There was one US attorney in the country that we knew and that US attorney was a brave guy. He was a smart guy I don't want to say his name because he's involved in investigations that are important right now on this and we went to him and we did the full brief with our attorneys. With us we brought three of our attorneys.

Punish you, shame on them Punish you and hopefully intimidate you right and so.

I knew. I knew when we got to month two or three and then called us and we knew that they cut him off. They wouldn't answer the phone, they wouldn't answer his emails or anything like that. I literally packed my family up and I moved to Switzerland for a year because we were going to continue our efforts. But I didn't want the Bureau to be able to follow me every day, listen to my phone every day, track me every day. I figured I needed to get out of the country, which I did.

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And put my youngest daughter in a school and abroad, and then we continued the fight. And this is you and Martine, me and Martine, and Patrick and Mike, you know, and all these other people you know. There was a great group of you know. It was probably in the end, you know, eight to ten people were involved and Ralph got involved too with this. And Ralph knew this is what we were doing. He was being briefed and he understood all of the pieces of this.

We were trying to get information out before the election.

I posted it.

Yeah.

Because I knew. When I saw it, I was like oh, here goes, Gary, Right right, he's laying it all out there, right, and I wanted people to, and the book was supposed to come out before the election.

And the book was supposed to come out right then, tell the story of the book.

It had been. When I heard the briefing, this was in the summer of 2024, I contacted a publisher that I know. I told him he wanted to see the presentation, the evidence himself. Martine flew to New York and showed it to him. The guy came out and he went oh my God, oh my God, ralph, we got to save the country. We got to get this book out before the election. So I wrote the book in basically like five or six weeks to get it out on time.

Can you say which publisher?

suddenly we were shut down for a year. We were can you say which? Publisher? Uh, what do you think up?

to you.

Yeah, it's uh uh skyhorse oh, I'll make a correction.

We went to the department of public safety intelligence, not the rangers in texas, but we gave we gave them the we gave them the whole brief and no, can't, can't do anything.

So they shut down the book and so I told Gary we got to get something out before the election.

I was trying to do a TV series on it before the election. I had a whole deck and I was trying to raise the funds and I couldn't get it. I was like I can show you this? Global network that leads all the way into the US, and how they're seeding elections. Nobody would fund it.

This is the other part that I'm glad you brought up. The global nature is because Venezuela, along the way, when this proved to be effective, suddenly China showed up with a lot of money, right Of course.

Russia showed up Iran showed up Hundreds of millions, they poured in. Yeah.

And they were all like Because they could see what it could do. They knew what it was doing. They saw how powerful it was.

What an incredible system. We can undermine the country we hate the most, which is the United States.

They could do it in Europe too right.

They could do it in the US. They don't have to fight a war against us. They can just use our leadership.

They don't have to pay for an expensive war. They don't have to deal with all the recriminations.

This software is now used in 72 countries around the world 72.

Yeah, I know. And it's all the same software with the same modified source code that, by the way, nobody's allowed to have access to. That's right. Well, we have it.

We have your source code, we have it. We have the program that you insert to. Actually, you know there's source code and there's another program you enter with Eternal Blue to get into a certain platform and then they actually leave they were leaving four different back doors and they left the keys in the open in three different places. I mean, we showed this to all sorts of people we actually wound up doing a month before the election.

It really was a key moment. Since you raised the fact that you took an oath, gary, I want to raise something about you a little bit. Let's get a little bit into your background, because what's interesting is that in the aftermath of the 2020 election, where they would go nuts If anybody said the election was stolen or tried to question anything, they'd go nuts.

Right, right.

Um, when you see someone in the Trump administration and they never get attacked, somehow, they never get attacked in the media and they might get attacked by, you know, the people on the right because they're trying to create dissent, but they don't get attacked by the other guys. That's usually a sign. And then you know, same thing with Venezuela. It was like you could, you might get away with, you know, questioning Dominion.

This is all public information. You can go look it up.

The reason is the Venezuelan regime, the Cartel de Solos, which yesterday was designated as a foreign terrorist organization was partners with the Biden administration people they were colluding with them. Why were they colluding with them? Why wouldn't they pursue the Venezuelans? Because they believed they could deliver them election win after election win, and they had until we came along.

Okay, so to that point now, of course, whenever you raised Venezuela or whenever you raised the question of election fraud in 2020, the first response is well, that was debunked, Right, that's been proven to be false. The courts have rejected that. It's been. You know it's. Every single case has fallen apart. There's no basis to this. These are crazy, wild conspiracy theories.

Why? Because they didn't have this information, they didn't have the evidence.

Because they never allowed the evidence into court, right right, they wouldn't let it in.

And also they didn't see the result of the investigation that Gary and Martine had done. That's why this book is unique, because it lays out all the evidence. Had they had that evidence back then they could go into court and go here. Here's how the company was created.

Yes, layer upon layer upon layer yes.

You had to have people who created the system to go in and say, oh, this is how we did it, and this is why we did this and this is how. And that didn't happen. That evidence hasn't been presented until now, until the results of their investigation are public, and that's why everybody needs to look at this and try to poke a hole in it. You're not going to poke a hole in it, right? That's why they want to.

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I'm not sure what the point was.

Okay, so I want to raise two points related to that.

Let's go back. I'll remember it a few minutes Okay.

One is let me find this here. I love how they it's the same patterns always right, because when something is true and you have to create false lines of attack, they run out of false lines of attack, so they keep repeating them over and over again.

The point I was going to make was there are people in our intelligence community and our diplomatic community that are paid agents of the Cubans and the Venezuelan regime. We have been penetrated at a level never witnessed in our history.

Way farther than happened during the Cold War, that the Cuban intelligence service and the Venezuelan using Venezuelan resources.

Not only were they collecting intelligence on the United States, they established diplomatic and intelligence dominance over the United States. During the past 20 years Dominance, they had so many sources in so many sides, in both political parties Not just the Democrats, the Republican Party and political operators that are operating right now. So many of them are on their payroll Do you know who they are?

That is shocking. We know some of them are. Yes, we know who they are, these American traitors.

We know who they are. And guess what? The government knows who they are too. Now A couple of them are in jail, you know. but yeah, look, my business partner and I are the ones that turned in Ambassador Manuel Rocha, who is probably the most senior American ever convicted of espionage. He was arrested a couple of years ago. He's US Ambassador in Bolivia. He was the charge in Argentina years ago. I knew him 20 years but we knew he was in contact with members of the cartel Del Solis.

And who was he working for which administration?

All of them.

He's been an agent for 40 years. He was recruited in the 70s by the Cuban Intel Service, joined the Foreign Service in the 80s, worked his way up to diplomatic circles, was in the White House as the guy for Western Hemisphere. When he was arrested he was at South—he had been at—he was out. But his last posting as a diplomat was at South Com as the political advisor for like four or five years. As a diplomat was at South Com as the political advisor for like four or five years.

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CIA and the FBI have done an awful job. All of the people that have led our intelligence community in the past 20 years have failed miserably. They all get an F.

But is it an F or is it?

a.

T for traitor. Some of it.

it's a combination, it's a combination. Some of the ones that were directors, they get an F, but they weren't traitors. But the people right below them were traitors and they weren't able to figure it out.

What about John Brennan?

That's a really interesting name to bring up and his actions are pretty traitorous. But they didn't have to be working for the Cubans to be a traitor on his own. He decided to act against a sitting president of the United States in ways that are traitorous. You know he organized efforts to overthrow a guy you know and so I know him. I knew him personally during my time in the agency and I'm horrified by the actions that he took and all the others with him that decided to sign that letter.

Who's running the agency today?

I don't think it's the director.

It's not John Ratcliffe, is it?

I don't believe it is why.

He's doing an awful job.

I'll be blunt. Look, I'm a Trump supporter I'm a conservative. He has a massive problem. He doesn't understand it, he's blind to it or he's corrupt and what? I would say this I've look. I was in the CIA for almost 24 years. I did a lot of things for them. I understand this business very well. The agency has been defeated completely in the last 20 years. We're only looking at Western Hemisphere From the optic of Western Hemisphere. We were defeated.

So I have a hard time believing that smart, capable people just failed. I don't believe that they're too smart, they're too capable. I know a lot of different people in counterintelligence units.

I think that there was education to the left, but look, I've gone and spoken to in the first six months of the Trump administration. I went to the DNI and told them that there are counterintelligence problems. I went there, you know, four or five times I felt like I was doing standup comedy. You know, it's, it's. It's like they were taking notes, but nobody took action. Finally, now you had to go to other people. You had to.

Which tells you how badly infiltrated she is fighting back.

Radcliffe's not fighting back. He doesn't have a clue.

She's fighting back.

Is Radcliffe compromised? I've never met the man. I wish if I had an hour with him, he'd be horrified to meet me. Gary, if you were a betting man and you were betting on John Ratcliffe, compromised or not, feeling tired or sluggish or foggy lately, it could be that you have poor blood flow. Blood Flow 7 by Juvenon is scientifically designed to support healthy circulation so you feel energized and clear-headed and vibrant again.

Not capable. It's just not capable. I don't know if he's. I have no evidence, I'm not listen. What I'm going to say is I'm going to say this If I knew he was compromised, I would say he's compromised or I would have done. I have no information to say that he's compromised. But is he competent? Not?

at all. Well, you know why I say compromised. Couple of reasons. First of all, he knew that the Chinese were involved in our elections in the summer of 2020. Didn't brief the president on it In November, when he was supposed to report by law, by executive order? There was a deadline to report on foreign interference in our elections. He didn't do that report. He waited until when? Until January 7th. Okay, that is not incompetence.

When you know there is a. And what troubles me is this I have gone and spoken to people and the government said you have a counterintelligence problem. They're not anytime someone would say that to you when I was a chief of station or something. You drop everything, of course. You drop everything and you deal with it. That's right, as quickly and as harshly as you have to to resolve it.

And this is just to remind people, this is TDA Tren de Aragua that made such big news before the 2024 election. And Maduro actually didn't just round up ordinary people, he went into the prisons.

He took them out of the prisons. Yeah, took the most violent criminals that.

Venezuela had.

They had a history, trained them. They had a history in Venezuela with a group called the Pranas, and the Pranas were people that lived in the prisons. They kept them in the high security areas and they had guns and their girlfriends with them and everything and they would go out and murder people. They were government assassins run by the head of the prison system. And then the trained El Aragbo guys were in a prison called El Tocaron. There was a revolt.

Which is a foreign military invasion.

This was during the Biden administration I told the Homeland Security people overseas I had to go out of the United States because I was outside of America anyway at that point, trying to avoid being arrested by the FBI for our election efforts went to a group of Homeland Security guys, gave them the information. They said we can't do anything with it. The administration won't let us act on this. They waited until the day that Donald Trump was elected.

Saudi Arabia yeah, you kidding me.

And these guys, gary Bernson is a rogue actor and he's an ideologue. No, you know, and what I'm trying to do is this is information where I'm trying to protect the United States, our families, from being killed by these maniacs.

Wait, wait, let me say it. There's one of these hit pieces on you, because the hit pieces are all consistent. The evidence isn't real, it's all conspiracy theories. These crazy guys, they couldn't ever penetrate the Venezuelan apparatus, because the Cubans control everything it's too sophisticated and it's too difficult and you'll never manage to do it. And then, on the other hand, they say, and also, the Venezuelans couldn't possibly do any of this on their own. So what are they?

Well, look, just so people can understand how wild I am.

Yeah.

After 9-11, I entered.

Afghanistan. A bit of a wild man with a mad dog, warrior ethos.

When I entered Afghanistan in 2001 after 9-11, after 3,000 people were murdered, I entered with eight CIA officers. We were joined by 12 CIA officers and I know because you were on that battlefield the Northern Alliance had about 5,000, 6,000 guys. There was 17,000 Taliban. We had to fight. We had SOFLAMs. We lit them up with lasers. I paid $100,000 to one of those commanders, flipped them in the middle so that we were able to move down. We eventually took the Capitol because of the airstrikes.

When you're being attacked, you need to be aggressive. Yeah, you know. And so in this case it's the same situation again. We have sat back and let these people build this criminal enterprise and deploy it against us, and our whole national security apparatus has failed. It took two whistleblowers, one of whom is not even an American citizen, to do this investigation. Why do we have a CIA? Why do we have an FBI? Why do we have all these agencies if they can't?

I don't believe that so many people can fail over such a long period of time.

Well, we know some of them are working for the other side. We do know, yeah, we know that. We know that, come on.

How much help did the Venezuelans and the Cubans? How much help do they get from the United States government?

They got a lot of help.

And US agencies USAID.

Ralph, why don't you explain?

SEPs. Okay. So during Doge, when Elon Musk was being criticized for reducing the size of the US government, and God bless Elon Musk and Doge for doing that work.

Yeah.

One of the first things they came across was USAID. And they found a program at USAID called CEPPS, C-E-P-P-S, and it was an NGO backed by George Soros again and what they were doing is that they were basically the marketing arm of this illegal software that was created in Venezuela.

How much of US taxpayer money?

has been spent on that. That was over $2 billion $6.9 billion yeah.

Over what period of time?

Over a decade.

That just makes me sick. And because we're right here, we're in flyover country, we're in a rural town, people work hard all across this country and their money has been stolen from them.

Their taxpayer dollars were being used to promote software that was developed by our enemies to steal our elections To move the world left.

That's right. It's cheaper than fighting.

And so people complain it's cheaper than the world left, that's right. It's cheaper than fighting. And so people complain it's cheaper than building nuclear weapons, that's right. It was perfect. It was genius from their side. What's wrong with us? Are we so soft and so weak and so penetrated that?

we can't defend ourselves anymore. No, we're so disloyal.

Right.

We're so disloyal. They're working with Americans from within this country who also want to dismantle this country and move it left.

I have a CIA associate who retired. I have a couple of them that have come to me since the book has come out and they read Ralph's book and they called me and said what Ralph has described in the book is the greatest crime against America since the Civil War.

Russia collusion gives them a run for their money, but it's part of the whole thing. It's the same thing Because it stole multiple elections here.

Russia collusion was one thing, this was multiple elections globally.

They're all tied. They're all tied. It's all the same people, right? Yes, it is.

And look how effective. All you have to do is look at our society and look how effective it's been right. Why? Are so many people pitted against one another, so many people angry with one another. Black Lives Matter was funded by NGOs that were controlled by George Soros, with the money coming from Venezuela and China.

We know that now, hugo Chavez marched in the two of the ladies from Black Lives Matter and gave them $20 million in black suitcases in a room. We have a witness. We have a witness that did this. It was there when they did that. Yes, that's where it started.

So he handed them money $20 million in cash.

Danny Glover took them down there.

Yeah, I remember and you know they even posted about being down there and I remember one of the posts was about how wonderful it was to be in a sane country where you could have reasonable intellectual conversations with decent people To the 10 million Venezuelans who have left the country, their own country.

A third of the country has fled Venezuela.

What about the 1,000 to 2,000 who disappear every month in extrajudicial?

killings Exactly.

What about all the women who are raped in Venezuelan prisons? What about the more than 80% of the population that's rifling through trash cans, living in poverty that doesn't even have food?

And the cartel has at least $2.7 trillion placed outside in banks around the world.

And that's just. Cartel del Sol. Yes, the Cartel del Sol, yes the Cartel del Sol?

Yes, they have $2.7 trillion.

Has there ever been anything that big?

Nothing, ever no organized crime entity has achieved the heights. And then here's Maduro.

In history, right In history Begging.

Oh, no war, no war, the crazy Americans. Meanwhile, he's got several thousand people in a shopping center in the middle of the city that's been converted into a prison, being tortured. Only the Venezuelans turn shopping centers into torture chambers.

And that's only one torture chamber. That's just one of the locations. He's got them all over the country. Do you know one of the things that?

they would do, and it's important for your viewers to understand this they would get so many pranus in there. They'd have like a thousand of those guys in a prison. They would remove the police from areas around the prisons and that would become the new center of gravity politically in areas. How's that for a dark, dystopian view of the future?

Unbelievable. That was the.

Venezuelans that created that model.

That's.

Maduro. Diosdado Cabello, jorge Rodriguez. Do you know they keep trying to sell Jorge Rodriguez and Delci Rodriguez, brother and sister, right and Jorge.

Rodriguez, explain who they are.

Jorge Rodriguez and Delci Rodriguez were. Their father was a gorilla in the 1960s 70s and they kidnapped his father kidnapped a guy named Milhouse was his name and so he was captured by the American. It was an American. He was captured by the security forces and he was killed. Their mother left Venezuela and went and married Carlos the Jackal. How's that? For having interesting lineage, your real father is a murdering terrorist and your stepfather is Carlos the Jackal. You know Rodriguez Alish.

Well, I don't know. The woman who took over from Chris Krebs at CISA was a CIA intelligence officer. It's unbelievable.

It's an unbelievable story. Porsi and Delcy are the spawn of evil. Okay, and they've been trying, and the State Department has been trying to negotiate to have Delcy stay behind. Right, the State Department, right now, diplomats, rick Grinnell and company right were trying to get cartel light. They want anybody but the Nobel Prize winner, maria get cartel light. They didn't want. They want anybody but the Nobel Prize winner, maria Karina Machado.

You know flipped it 70-30. And she's the one who just got the Nobel Peace Prize.

She just got the Nobel Peace Prize and actually dedicated it to President Trump. Right, because she wants freedom in the hemisphere, and that's what President Trump represents.

She's pretty amazing.

She is an amazing lady and it's incredible that she's still alive. It's a miracle. It's a miracle, seriously, and you know the thing though, is all the other men, all the Venezuelan oppositionists that you see, so many of them on television, that have been paraded. Juan Guaido and the rest of them it was all kabuki theater, ladies and gentlemen. They all worked for the cartel. They were all paid. The bravest man in Venezuela is a woman, Maria Karina Machada. She's the hero of the country.

Is there any leader today in Latin America that doesn't work for the cartel or isn't on their payroll?

Who isn't on their payroll, I would say the guy who's big enough as Lula doesn't work for them. He's a lefty anyway. Yeah, he's a lefty and he has his own vision and the president of Argentina.

And the president of.

Argentina doesn't work for them and Bukele, but a lot of the smaller ones do Bukele and.

El Salvador, but the rest of them do. Look. Amlo, the second or third guy in the cartel, gave him $200 million for his campaign a few years ago. $200 million, yes, of course.

They own these people. When he was elected, what was the first thing he did? He said we need kisses and love for the cartels, right? And went and visited the mother of El Mencho, leader of Cartel Jalisco Nueva Generacion in Mexico, CJNG the most violent cartel in Mexico's history, which is really saying something. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and he went and met with his mother.

Yeah, you know, giving her hugs and kisses Unbelievable. Just so people can understand. The election theft and stolen elections is a major piece of the story with the cartel because it's a drug trafficking cartel. So when you look at Venezuela, think of Costco okay, it's the Costco of cocaine but the raw material, the Kirtland, is actually Bolivia and Peru and Colombia.

If you go on the internet and you look for articles about it, there's hardly anything.

No, because they crush anyone who dares talk about it.

That's right, it's been wiped. That's what they do. It's been wiped. That's why they say you're a conspiracy theory.

It took us long to get them designated. Yesterday they were designated Donald Trump.

God bless him he went after them.

He made them a specially designated terrorist organization. Look, trump is getting briefed on this stuff, but there are a small army of advisors, and a lot of them out of South Florida, that are doing everything possible to stop Donald Trump and Pete Hegseth from moving against the cartel.

How many people are in Chevron's payroll?

Oh, there's lobbyists every place.

What about leaders, elected officials?

journalists. I don't know about that, but probably a lot. They're paying lobbyist companies, they're paying journalists and they're paying influencers. Look, it is Chevron money down there and it's the cartel's money and the amount of money is obscene because they just go buy companies. If they don't like you and they have a problem with you and you have a $10 billion company, they just buy your company.

No problem and get rid of you and get rid of you?

Let me ask you. Let me just say one thing, so one example of how deeply the system has penetrated After the 2020 election, when the Trump campaign realized something went wrong here, right, they hired a company called Berkeley Research Group to do an audit of the election, and Berkeley Research Group is one of the.

There wasn't anything More secure election in history.

That's right. The Trump campaign hired the cartel in 2020 to do the investigation on whether it was but they didn't know it.

They didn't know it because it's so deeply penetrated in so many areas. It's like well, who do you turn to to get an honest report on what's going on? And in this case, the only honest report came from Gary and his partner right, who are whistleblowers, who were just, you know, one of them's, not even an American citizen, but they just were.

And so this is why Trump is going after maduro and venezuela absolutely this is.

It's not just because of the drugs no, no, not just because it's much bigger than the drugs and they partnered in intelligence operations against us with our major adversaries on the planet like who? Yeah, the russians, china, chinese yeah, so.

So when you see venezuela, actually what you should really see is venezuela, iran, russia, china. These are our, the Russians, the Chinese, iran. So when you see Venezuela, actually what you should really see is Venezuela, iran, russia, china.

These are our enemies.

And they're all working together.

The American people need to understand that we have been attacked by our enemies and they have attacked us from within. Not an invasion like with armies, but attacked us from within.

With the help of Americans.

Buying off Americans, buying off infiltrating all of our systems, our law firms, our consulting firms, ngos, everywhere they could, intelligence agencies, and they have so much money. They have so much money. National Security Council, that's right, they have so much money. National Security Council, that's right, they have so much money.

How much penetration does the Cuban intelligence? Because everybody acknowledges that the Cuban intelligence services are very sophisticated, right?

They play the long game.

That's not in dispute. They're very, very accomplished, they're formidable, well-respected throughout the world. So how penetrated is the United States government by the Cuban intelligence services?

Completely, deeply, especially in Latin American affairs, completely.

Does it go all the way up to?

secretary level, completely Like secretary of state, could maybe, maybe.

Gary got anything to do there.

It's a real problem. I mean I'm just going on, what?

was known for years like long before you know. I mean for years working in intelligence circles, working on these things, doing investigations that came up time and time again. This guy's owned by Cuba.

I'm horrified by what we have uncovered. We have tremendous sources. The president and his senior staff are being briefed on these things.

And the Cubans are working with the Venezuelans. Yes, the Cubans control them. They control them, they ran them, they run Venezuelan intelligence.

No, they run the president too. Nicolas Maduro was an agent of theirs. They positioned him as the president when Chavez died. He's their boy.

Well then, they owned the elections at that point so they could put whoever they wanted in power. Yes, yes and okay. So, turning to the US, I mean I don't know why anyone these recent elections. I mean one of the candidates had 125,000 mail-in ballots in the evening and by the morning she had over 300,000, and all those that came in overnight were in her face. I mean, come on.

Members of Congress, I'll tell you a story. Yeah, one of our sources and I don't want to give up the congressman's name knew so much about election theft and this was over a decade ago and he went to a congressman because he lived in New York. He went to a congressman there, knocked on the door and said this is what I know about and told this whole story. And the congressman looked that's Cuban information, how dare you steal that from Cuba? And started yelling at the individual.

The last 25 years is where this kind of came into being.

It's a cultural thing that has occurred in our country. I hate to say it. I hate to say it, but the number of people who are traitors just would shock you, shocks me.

I want to see it. I want to see the list Shocks me. I want to see the list. Come on, I know you're holding out on me, both of you, yeah yeah, well, people are going to get.

Hopefully they're going to be indicted, they're going be brought up, people, yeah yeah, so you can't give me the list now, because people will run okay but when the time is right, you're gonna promise me yeah um, do you see that?

I mean if, if everything that you've laid out here is accurate and I have investigated a lot of it myself independently and I've also worked with other groups who've investigated it, so I know it to be accurate. And there's investigated a lot of it myself independently and I've also worked with other groups who've investigated it, so I know it to be accurate. And there's also a lot of it that's just out there, like the CFIUS investigation. But given that, so let's go with that reality.

Let me say something about that dynamics of the Trump administration, which are fantastic. There's a lot of people right now that are upset with the fact that Trump is very self-centric in policymaking. The fact that he is so self-centric has actually combated the fact that all these groups have spent all this money to influence all these different committees and he doesn't give a damn about those committees.

That's fascinating.

So people criticize Trump for the lack of input he's getting from outside policymaking groups. Thank God, keep doing it, mr President.

Because most of them are wrong or corrupted, or corrupt.

I would say to this to Donald Trump don't listen to anybody but yourself. Don't listen to any of your advisors.

Except Mike Flynn. Make the decision.

Yeah, Make the decision in your stomach and make the choice please Keep it up.

When Gary and Martine finished their investigation, they went all over Washington. They went to think tanks, they went to congressmen, they went everywhere that they could possibly think of where they would get a welcome audience. And it was the same. Nobody wanted to look at it.

Nobody wanted to support them, and all they can say about it is I love the articles that say well, they could never penetrate Venezuelan and Cuban intelligence, which is a joke.

They penetrated intel services for 25 years all over the world. Okay, Left and right, I had success against them and different Intel services. The fact that these imbeciles writing these articles would say what I could do or what I couldn't do in terms of human is laughable.

Especially the things that they're writing because they're idiots. Listen, I was a case officer.

a bunch of years I taught at the farm. I rewrote the curriculum in the 1990s.

Didn't you have the Distinguished Service Medal I?

have the Intel Star and I have the Distinguished Intelligence Medal I have two of the three highest medals in the agency. Okay For them to think that I couldn't do this is laughable.

They're imbeciles. They're also just liars, and they're just liars. They're just liars because they don't want anyone to look at the evidence.

They don't want anyone to evaluate it and they don't want anyone to face the truth there's a dozen other people that could have done this. I'm not the lone ranger. I happen to be paired with the greatest Latino investigator in Martine Rodile ever he's so remarkable.

and he's so remarkable, doesn't he have a good track record in flipping sources?

You know, yeah, he flipped so many sources for the DEA. He was the number one productive guy for DEA's special operation division over a decade. It's remarkable what he did.

Over a hundred sources that he flipped right.

Yes, yes, it's just remarkable what he did. And then, of course, we had resources, because Patrick Byrne was the only one with the courage in the company.

Oh, and then they'll attack you for that. They'll say Patrick Byrne is crazy.

No, but Patrick Byrne knew that it was wrong. Patrick Byrne put a fortune in and I must have met with two or three dozen millionaires and billionaires who were shallow non-patriotic.

that wouldn't that said, they put a nickel in to help us and Patrick put everything and he was in for the fight and sometimes he and I disagree about stuff yeah, but the guy is a super patriot and and without him we wouldn't have solved the election piece now I want to go back to one important thing about Martin, because he's a Venezuelan citizen born, but what people love to say about him is that he's Mossad, because of course that's the favorite thing, right?

So I did meet with two FBI officers and they said to me your partner was Mossad. Your partner, martine Rodile, recruited and ran Jonathan Pollard. And I, of course, have been around a long time. I'm 58 years old. I remember Jonathan Pollard was captured in 1984. I'd been in the agency two years. Martine was born in 1974. So that means Martine would have recruited Jonathan Pollard when he was 10 years old and living in the mountains of barquisimento, uh, venezuela.

You know. You know what Senator Kennedy said the other once, which makes me think of that. He said I'm not saying you're the dumbest person on earth, I'm just saying, if that person dies, you're in real trouble.

No, but the FBI. But here's what happened, ladies and gentlemen. The Venezuelan regime has paid all sorts of individuals to plant information and to do phony research. The Spanish, they own Spain. Let's put it this way. The Cartel del Sol and their chief of intelligence used to fill a diplomatic bag with cocaine and cash, tens of million every week, every month, sending it to Spain. They built the political party called Podemos, which means we can, which was a coalition partner in Spain.

No wonder they don't want you to be hurt oh they don't want me to be hurt.

And so the Spanish took false charges against Martín. They filed them because what did they want to do? They wanted to charge Martín with crimes, bring him to Spain and then send him to Venezuela so they could hurt him.

So they could kill him. Yeah, and so it will explain the Mossad part, because he is an Israeli citizen.

Yeah, he's an Israeli citizen, but we went.

Let me just say something.

We went to Israel because we were following the money there and I met with former security officials there who was the finance chief for the Mossad, because I know them. I mean, I was you know I was the chief of Hezbollah operations. I kind of know a lot of people around the world and we told the Israelis the cartel's money's in your banks and they said where we told them here, here and here they're like thank you, we'll go and we'll start freezing that money.

They were very helpful. Wasn't Martin stripped of his Venezuelan citizenship so he had to get citizenship?

He had to have a passport from somebody, and so the and he. He claimed Aaliyah, but look, he's a. He's more American than anything else. You know he is an American. You know he's just got the green card. Us person.

Well, I know a lot of people who have worked with him. He is so brave. I've tracked him over the years and he is incredibly well-respected and well-liked.

He is one of the greatest men I have ever met or worked with in my life. He's the most capable and brave person I know. I know, I mean I'm honored to work with him. I really am. And he's 100% not working for the Israeli intelligence services. No, they try to blame him to be working for the Cubans, the Israelis. I'm sure that they'll say he's working for the Japanese. Next week They'll you know, if he flies to Japan he's a Japanese spy.

Instead of answering the charges, instead of looking at the evidence, which now you can look at, you can read about, they call people names and they say well, he went to Israel, or he did this or he did that, who cares? Right, look what he did.

Well, if they can't discredit the evidence right, they go off to the messenger. I mean, we've seen this tactic over and, over, and over again. Exactly, that's what they do to Gary.

That's right.

That's what they do to Martine, right? So I want to know from you, ralph, when you know I mean working with Gary writing his stories. It's like being handcuffed to a hurricane, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, you're a brave man yourself. No, not really I don't know, no, but they knew.

It was him, he knew early, he knew everything. Yeah, he knew everything I mean.

Actually I was approached by Martine. So Martine, I didn't know Gary was involved. So I met Martine. A DEA agent was a friend of mine, was visiting Los Angeles where I live and one day he said I want you to meet this friend of mine. He's the most amazing person I know and we're going to have lunch with him. I'm like great. So I go to lunch and I'm sitting next to Martin. I talked to Martin. He's Latin American. I grew up in Latin America. We relate very easily.

Your father was a diplomat.

Yes, yes. And I said what are you working on? And he says election fraud. I've been working on it for three years. And I was like wow. And he goes what are you doing tomorrow? I want to show you a presentation, the evidence that we've gathered. And I said okay, and I go out to a house in Pacific Palisades which is now burned down and I sit for this presentation. And I sit for this presentation three and a half hours, at the end of which I'm like, oh my God, we're this, is it? You know?

I figured it was a bigger team of people, but it was only the two of them, and that's when you realized that, well, that's Gary, who I know, my friend whose book I wrote, gary, is the real deal.

A novel together called.

The Walk-In.

Gary's the real deal.

I mean we did.

Jawbreaker. We didn't get one person coming forward saying anything in. It was inaccurate.

Well, you've never been sued.

Never been sued. Gary is for real. He can get boisterous, he can get excited, which is fine.

Personally I love that. I mean I got a little talent in Sicilian in me.

That's my style, it's okay. It's okay, You're passionate, right Well that makes us the most dangerous thing of all, gary, it's uncontrollable.

That's what they hate more than anything else Right, that's right. It's one thing. If you're left or you're right, they'll figure out a way to play you, but the thing they don't want more than anything else in the world is someone they cannot control.

That's right, let me add one other thing, one other person we have. Well, there's a couple of people to mention. First off, blues Buchholz is a guy that works with me, an army officer, you know. He was an IED guy, did eight years in Afghanistan, so he's like right next to me on all this stuff and when I did the videos he helped me make them them. We did this, we did all of this together because he's a staff army officer. He was an enlisted guy first.

You know Michael Ledeen, yeah, and you Michael too. But Barbara Ledeen was really a hero to us and was always telling us and another family, by the way, that's been relentlessly attacked.

Yeah, she was always don't give up stand. I mean, when we needed a pep talk, if we needed one, she would give it to us and she would tell us you're going to do this. And we always listened to her. She provided great advice.

I want you to Ralph, can you take me back to something you?

just mentioned.

You went right past it, talking about the Chinese company that funnels the money. Can you explain the role of the Chinese? I know the Venezuelans created this and set it up with Castro and the Cubans, but at which point do the Chinese come into it with Castro and the Cubans?

But at which point do the Chinese come into it? I think they came in quite early with money. They saw this as an opportunity to fulfill what they call hybrid warfare.

Unrestricted warfare.

Unrestricted warfare, which is their philosophy of how you don't confront an enemy. You undermine them through these different methods.

Slowly, you play the long game. That's right In a sense. They have multiple lines of operation.

That's right.

And election fraud is one line of operation. Drug warfare is another line of operation.

That's right and you look for the vulnerabilities. Where can we? You know how can? When you look at the United States, there are a lot of vulnerabilities because we're an open society. The key here is the fact that our intelligence services have become so corrupted and weak. We depend on that.

Even our counterintelligence Even our military counterintelligence.

No, I haven't seen penetrations of military counterintelligence Civilian yes, no one talks about them. Yeah, and I think that that's where we should build. Most of the CI service should come out of the military. I'm not kidding, but on the Chinese hardware You've got to mention that, yeah, yeah, so they manufactured the machines.

Oh, yes, of course. So they would manufacture them in China, with the modems, the things that connect to the internet that they say are not connected, that's right and with all the backdoors.

They'd ship them to Taiwan, slap a made in Taiwan label on them and then ship them here to the United States, load them with Venezuelan software and there you got it.

And what about the Serbs? I know there's a Serbian component to this.

They were important because the Chinese have these big Huawei servers in Serbia and all of these machines are connected to those servers.

They opened up an office in Belgrade, which was their research office. That research office, as Ralph had stated, had Serbian, venezuelan, chinese system administrators up to 98 of them and they were connected to the swing states in the United States using Huawei service from China, and we could see the links from there and they were reporting back to Hong Kong. Now you have this other imbecile, mr Krebs.

Yes, Chris Krebs from CISA.

From CISA stating after 2020, when there were claims of election theft, he literally called Dominion and SmartMedic on the phone. We're paying our tax dollars to a head who's in Homeland Security, who's colluding with the responses with the criminals, to respond to American questions about election theft.

Yeah well, CISA itself has those criminals have a seat at the table. Yes, they did.

That's what it's founded on, and so I think that Donald Trump removed like 1,800 people out of the 3,000 in the first week over there at CISA, but the Serb part in this was very, very large.

Is it Serbian government or Serbian individuals? Look the Serbian government.

Their counterintelligence service was protecting them. They were involved. The counterintelligence service was protecting them. They were involved. The counterintelligence service was providing cover for them and protection for them. And that Serbian government was very, very close to the Chinese, because the Chinese have replaced the Russians in Serbia as the largest investors.

So this was a very complicated thing.

And there are some people our investigative services, you know, in the FBI and Homeland Security. Look, there are great people there and I know I've been harsh with there are still great people in our services. The problem is the leaderships have been corrupted.

I'm sorry there's. Over 1,500 American citizens were tortured over January 6th, so my patience for I know I'm mad at them too, my patience for them is very thin.

But I have some of them.

I'm working with right now. There's some of them right now that will help save us Not enough.

There's some of them right now on our team going after the machines, going after the criminals. So I don't want them to feel bad, but the problem was the coverage and the dominance of the United States diplomatic and intelligence apparatus was so great. What they did was they turned off collection. So what does that mean?

You know? That's exactly the same thing. They set the conditions.

But CIA turned off collection too. They willfully blind you 20 years ago and I'm just going to make a comment, I don't want to go further into specificity I sat in a meeting in the CIA where a very senior US political official came in and told us all to stand down on Cuban operations. And I was in Bolivia in a knife fight with the Cubans trying to keep democracy alive and stop the MAS, the Movimiento del Socialismo, from taking over. And I knew at that moment that something horribly wrong.

Right, they tried to, they made it look like you know they're going to try to recruit him, and then they, and then the agency, investigated him.

Wow and destroyed his career.

They tried to destroy him, you know. And so these are the types of things that that go on, that go on. And there were other people in Latin America division who were trying to fight the Cubans, and there was only a small number of people that would stand up to this stuff. But they knew what they were doing. The agency knew what it was doing and its leadership had been compromised and is compromised.

He has to get to the intelligence threats to this country now. What if he doesn't get to elections before the midterms?

He's got to get to it all now. It's going to be a massacre. He's out of time. Yeah, yeah, you're out of time, mr President.

Yeah, mr President, you know, and, and, and so people want him to wait and then, and, if you know, in a, in a blink of an eye it's going to be well.

You can't do that because you've got the midterms. Anyone who allows anyone, who who recommends that the regime in Venezuela be allowed to remain for three months or six months or a transition, is a traitor. They're giving them time to survive, and why? Any one of them?

So do you think, do you see on the cards increased US involvement in Venezuela land operations, airstrikes, I hope so.

It's the worst. This has been the worst attack on the United States. Look, 9-11 was bad because in 9-11, they killed 3,000 of our people, but they weren't on the verge of taking over our country, they almost took over the country. Listen, had Kamala Harris won that election, they would have put 24, they would have used the widen plan where it's going to expand the Supreme Court up to 24, have multiple mini courts.

Why does nobody do anything about George Soros? Why Good?

question. It's a reallyos. Why Good question. It's a really good question, very good question. At least half the country.

He's practically half dead.

But his son now has taken his place. Yeah, his son used to have an office in the White.

House during the Biden administration and he's been left in operation to proliferate his tactics. He's now the Knight Foundation, the Ford Foundation, the Tides Foundation, you know he's got. The Open Society Foundation has its own university. They have global networks.

They have policy foundations. They're determined to change America, the nature of America.

The world.

They are determined to do that and we have to be here to ensure that democracy and our republic survive.

Well and especially the republic right, Because democracy without the republic is a tyranny of the majority in any country. That's why democracy without the republic fails time and time and time again.

Yes, Well, they're attacking it all over the world. That's why they control elections in 72 countries and they're using the same tactics in democracies all over the world.

So 72 countries? The UK, yeah, france, germany Well, look, it's headquartered in the UK.

They used it against the Commonwealth. So 72 countries, the UK, yeah, france. Look, it's headquartered in the UK. They used it against the Commonwealth. It's sitting in London. It's headquarters SGO. Smartmatic is sitting in London.

Oh, because Lord Malik Brown was the head of Smartmatic Lord Malik.

Brown, who was Covianon's deputy at the United Nations years ago, was their guy to give their brand acceptance globally. He knows what it was doing.

Well, of course he knows because he was on the board of Open Society.

Foundation. That's right, that's exactly right.

And then after they successfully stole the 2020 election, Soros brought him over from London and made him president of Open Society.

Got a promotion. That's right yeah.

He rewarded him for that. Yeah, he was the president of Open Society Got a promotion. That's right. Yeah, he rewarded him for that, yeah. So okay, take me to election night 2020, because I've investigated that, I have some ideas of what was going on. But I mean, are these masterminds of election fraud? Where's Maduro? Where are the Iranians?

The Iranian foreign minister was actually in 2020 in Havana Excuse me, not in Havana in Caracas.

Which is the capital of Venezuela.

Was in Caracas with Maduro, watching them steal the election from Donald Trump and having a great time.

Who else was there?

Just him is all we know, we just know. He was the only foreign leader that was brought there, because the Iranians provided some engineers too. There were Iranian engineers inside the CNE, so he was brought over to watch it there, watch it steal it from Trump, watch us punish the Americans very interesting do you think?

do you, do you seriously think, that the Trump administration is going to do anything about it?

We started off by interacting with the DNI's office.

Yeah.

And there was one lawyer they were trying to get into the thing I don't want to say his name making efforts and he eventually, after eight months, became the key guy in the White House now. But there were eight months of blockers. For eight months people in the DNI and in the White House block the individual that is now in place to to lead the effort on an election integrity.

They put a bounty on Maduro's head. They took it up to 50.

They've done their own investigation. They've gone through all of the evidence that was presented by Martine and Gary and they had to look at it themselves. It took them months, which they've done.

The intelligence community didn't report our information. It had to go in there privately to the president. He has seen it all but not because of the intelligence community. They did not want to provide the information that we provided. They did everything possible to block it.

If they do not act on this information and secure our elections, what chance do we have?

Not much. That's why people need to become aware of what's going on and they need to put pressure on the administration to act. That's one of the purposes of the book. Right Now you see the evidence. You try to pick a hole in it. This is how the whole thing was engineered. Gary has told you how much penetration that they have made into our national security apparatus and the president is trying to fight this on his own. The trouble with Kash Patel and these other people.

undermining them? Who's working against them? Who all the tra can trust? Who's?

undermining them.

Who's working against them? Who all the traitors are? Who's?

dragging their feet. So it's the job of the American people. If you want a democracy, if you want to preserve it, if you want a republic, if you want a republic, if you want your vote to count, you better raise your voice and you better and pressure this administration to act, say we know, we've seen the evidence, we want action.

Okay, arresting people and charging them, I mean that goes a long way, but if you leave those machines in place, if you leave that software in place we need to be doing paper ballots.

We need to be doing paper ballots. It needs to do an executive order. The whole country should be on paper ballots machines designed to steal elections.

I just heard a candidate running for governor in California say we're not going back to the Stone Age, we need blockchain. I know Pat Byrne has been a fan in the past of blockchain. I mean, I'm not a fan of anything. Digital Paper ballots.

If the Indians can have, if a nation with 1.5 billion people can vote on paper, we can vote on paper. That's right. And you know, the French have been voting on paper for years. You know why? Because you could steal elections with machines. Yeah, they knew that. Yeah, but even there's fight.

Well, of course they will, and then that's why you see these ballot dumps, right. Because, they manipulate the results on the computer. That also explains these graphs when you've got sort of Trump ahead of Biden all the way, all the way, all the way, and then suddenly it dips and it's too uniform to mirror reality because votes just never come in in those kind of numbers. So you see things like that.

That's why, when they take over these contracts, they get the voter log.

For 30 years. They get the data.

They know everybody's data. They know where they can find the dead people that they they get the data, they know everybody's data, they know where they can find the dead people. That they need to get certain votes. They plan this, as Gary said before.

It's meticulous. A year in advance, it's meticulous.

These guys are experts at this. It's not just a few guys in a back room. You're talking about hundreds of statisticians and engineers, and they work it for a year, and mathematicians and engineers, and they work it, you know, for a year.

And mathematicians Right and hackers Right, right, right.

When we were we had a map out of Colorado. When we were talking to our engineers, the guys that design it stole the elections and we looked at it and we said, look, you know, it's Denver here and Colorado Springs all the Democrats and they looked at us in pity, you know.

Yeah.

Like here's something I said no, we just go to every one place where Trump went 70-30 and he went in 68. Or he's. We shave in every other place. We don't go near a Democratic place because when they want to do recounts they're going to go to the Democratic places. They don't realize we shaved in every other committee. We know every other county. We know how to do this and then in each of those things where they shave, they shave with a different technique in each one of those.

So this is why the Republicans are so much at fault, because they have the power and the ability to show in their areas. They can allow access to the machines, they can allow access to the source code, they can allow the—.

But they thought we just won by 35%. Okay, we didn't win by 38. We won by 35. So no one's going to call that. They should have right.

Because everyone says well, we expected the Republicans to win by a majority. Well, it was a little less than we thought it was going to be, but they still won. So but the evidence of the fraud is right there and they could show it.

They never looked at it.

Well, they've been asked. There are Republicans who've been asked and they've declined. So it makes you wonder. You know who they really are.

Maybe they're on the payroll too, or who's paying them? The money's so gigantic.

Okay. So when you started out, though, gary, you didn't start out investigating election fraud, right?

We started out investigating money laundering by the cartel in the billions, I thought, okay, I'm going to start doing. You know, you collect money on drug traffickers and you build cases, you file them with the Department of Justice and the Department of Treasury and you get paid 30% on the bank fines.

That was the business model right.

But it takes a long time to get paid, you know, because? And then the Biden administration wouldn't investigate anybody. We had four years. There's a dry hole, you know where we're borrowing money to survive. So that's what we were doing. And then the election got stolen. And then my business partner, Martine, says I investigated Smartmatic years ago and I saw something. And then we said, okay, let's take a look at this. And then we met our first something.

And we just kept going because we— you didn't expect that you would hear silence.

But I expected to get help.

When you went to the house or when you went to the FBI.

I thought other Americans would help us, and so few did, only a small team, you know. I mean, like I said, I could name them Patrick, barbara, dean, blues, ralph, and the number's small.

How do you protect your sources, because I mean all of them are at risk.

We moved them into the United States. They've all become witnesses of the federal government, but there are enemies within here. Yeah, I know it's hard. We have confidence in the FBI people we're working with right now. We have confidence they're good people.

Have you lost any of them?

No. Okay, so we're lost, but some of them have left because no one would finance us. We tried to get the DNI to give us a contract. They refused. Thank you to the DNI.

When was that? Which DNI this?

DNI Tulsi. We went to her people. They wouldn't help us.

Can you get to Tulsi? Have you sat with her?

I've never sat with her. We've sat with the imbeciles that she sent to speak to us and the head of the DIG, the Director's Initiative Group. As an initiative group, they wouldn't help us. It's just. It's shameful. It's so shameful.

It's depressing for the American people to hear that even under the Trump administration, you're getting blocked and so on.

We paid for all of this to defend the United States and officers in the DNI and the CIA. They wouldn't help us. I mean, I'm so upset about it because I spent my life doing that. I understood if someone was doing something to defend the country, you want to help them, but not these people.

How many years in the CIA?

Almost 24. It's 23, and then four years in the Air Force before that side, and then I went back to Afghanistan and worked for JIDO.

I was working on IED JIDO, which is the joint.

IED defeat organization.

I did a year with them in uniform when I was 50.

My husband was a plank holder.

Yeah, I know, I know, and he, yeah, and he, of course I mean it's all of us that were in Afghanistan and Iraq know each other. You know the circle of people that did tour after tour in the national security sort of apparatus out there.

What were you like as a kid, Gary? I mean, were you always like this? I wasn't a very good student, you know.

Shocked I'm shocked, but I went in the Air Force at 18. I became a crash firefighter.

Where were you born?

I was born in July 1957.

Oh, you got to be careful. You know that'll make you a Russian.

I was going to be an infantry officer in the Marine Corps. I went through the full PLC program. I was an honor grad in that program, graduated at the top of my class and then a CIA case officer or recruiter met me on the University of New Mexico, tested me and they got me to go into the agency and I became both a case officer and a PM reserve officer and then served in the Middle East for many, many years and was blessed to work with some of the greatest heroes of the country.

you know you didn't just serve in the Middle East. I mean, you were in the field, you were in operations and you were in very senior positions.

Yeah, but you start off as a case officer. You start off, and it was. I worked for some of the legends in the Middle East and learned a lot from them. They were very kind to me and helpful. And then I wound up as the chief of Hezbollah operations and began the hunt for Mugnea, which eventually would get them. And then I wound up in Afghanistan on a couple of occasions and was the guy that led the entry.

Yeah, it was General Faim then. Yeah.

And I had to give him the bad news that he wasn't going to be the president, that it was going to be Karzai. He didn't like that very much. I'm sure he didn't, but it was, and I worked with Amarillo Sali, the vice president. I was 43 and he was 26 during that period of time.

I put him on 60 Minutes twice, which is very rare.

He and I would have regular screaming matches with each other.

He is a great guy Still fighting, by the way, still fighting for Afghanistan, never, ever quit. I think about him, betrayed by the United States, yes, I think about him frequently.

You know he had done everything for America. He was on the ground and helped lead our fight, right next to me, into seizing Kabul and all of the work we did in the East and when Afghanistan was collapsing. After he had been the chief of the NDS, the minister of interior, the vice president, he was America's guy on the ground. He didn't steal money. He was the one honest guy there.

Afghanistan, 12 year old boys into the minefields.

So yeah, I know people are going to see this and think that Gary Bernstein's an angry man, but but the point is is I understand our history, I've gotten to live our history and I've seen some great moments and some very dark moments and and um you know if, if the Republic is going to survive, we all got to put our shoulder into this thing and continue the fight and we're grateful for the time you give us.

What about you? Were you always a writer?

My friends in high school said I always was. But I don't remember that.

Yeah, why? What were you doing in high school?

Well, a lot of things, but they were like, oh, we knew you were going to be a writer. And I'm like, really, you did.

Where were you born?

I was born in New York, in the Bronx, and my parents were Italian, sons of Italian immigrants.

Pazzullo.

Pazzullo. Yeah, and my dad joined the Foreign Service. He was a high school teacher in Levittown and he joined the Foreign Service when I was five and then none of us knew what we were getting into. I don't think he knew what he was getting into, and from there he served in first Mexico, then Vietnam during the war, then Bolivia, Colombia, Guatemala. He ended up being ambassador to Uruguay and Nicaragua.

And you went with him to all these places we went.

So it was like an education right, and my father was the kind of person who every time he'd come home from work, he would pull me in because everybody had had dinner and he would download to me, right, and after a while I would start offering him little bits of advice and we had a really interesting relationship.

Wow.

So even though my father was a diplomat and he was a great guy he didn't really understand other people's points of view right. I remember when we were in Bolivia, he had this boss and he was fighting with this guy all the time, and one night I said hey dad, did you ever consider what he's dealing? With with the ambassador and the DCM and other things at the embassy and he's like what are you talking about? And I and he old school.

Interesting that the two of you kind of found each other like that.

I went and stayed a night with Ralph's father when we wrote Jawbreaker Right. He was teaching at a university and I slept at the house with him and his dad and his mom and his father was wonderful. He was so kind and so insightful and deep and he took me to meet all of his students, you know, and I spoke at his college class. It was really a. It was a fun day. It was a day I'll remember my whole life.

Have you been punished for doing this work? I mean, have you been targeted?

Of course, of course. I mean you know if you don't play the system you know, you suffer for it, you know. So you just have to find ways to kind of find the cracks. you know, couple of years ago, with a guy who was former SAS who was in Benghazi and running the operation there, and I got it published by Little Brown, which is a big publisher. The way I did it, as I said, I'm going to do a book about this guy's career and I told him about all the things that he had done.

Yeah, and so you just slipped that in there.

It was like you know, when the book was coming out, right before the 2016 election, they called me to New York and they were like, and at this point it had already been proofread and proofread and their lawyers had been through it. And they were like there's the three chapters in there about Benghazi. Secretary Clinton is very upset about this. I said, well, her name isn't mentioned. It's just how the operation was run out of the State Department and so on and so forth.

What they did with that. When you say their State Department is, it's like normally if you're doing in the intelligence world. 90% of the work is FI, producing foreign intelligence for policymakers to consume.

Well, that's Title 50, right, and 10% of it is covert action.

And for covert action you have to have a presidential finding. It has to be written, usually at the National Security Council, usually written by the deputy at the deputy's level and approved and the president signs it. It has to be briefed to the committees but if you have the State Department doing the covert action there, ain't no finding.

That's right, that's how they sneak around it and the and the demo. They were clever, the democrats, yeah, yeah, doing that. No one had figured that out. Yeah, I had a friend who was the head of the syrian desk at the at the cia, and I said and I told him about this and he goes no, no, no, we're not doing that because they were actually. They had a assist.

In northern Iraq Right right.

From Kurdistan.

I sat with rebels from Benghazi and they mapped in Turkey. I went and met with them in Istanbul. They mapped out all the rat lines. I mean I did a whole bunch of work on this and because we couldn't, we didn't have other firsthand sources and we couldn't quite prove it. I mean we had these guys mapping it all out for us and we had other agency sources and we wanted to be extra cautious. So we didn't include that in our story and we still got slammed.

I wrote a book with the British guy who was running the whole operation and they were getting their money through from the State Department.

If the ambassador does it, it's not corporate action, it's policy Right, right, right, brilliant Right. The ambassador does it. It's not covert action, it's policy, right, right right, brilliant Tricky.

Which is why, when the attack happened who ran the operation? It was State Department, it was not DOD, which made absolutely no sense whatsoever, which was how they didn't have to call up the FESS team right, the Fast Emergency Response Team that was designed to protect US soil in any part of the globe.

But let me just say this With the FESS teams, the foreign emergency situation teams, if you're an ambassador, you never want to call them. Why? Because another ambassador is showing up on the plane. You want the CIA's team to come.

The ambassador was dead at that point.

I know, but what I'm just saying is most people don't want a FES team in an emergency because a second ambassador comes. They want a smaller team. In that situation, though, different Take whoever I can get.

At that point they would take whoever they can get, and let's not forget Tyrone Woods and Glenn Doherty died because they didn't call a FES team.

Right, right, right, that's right.

And in fact there were two Delta guys who went down in a plane that they hired. They went around the embassy collecting money from everybody, got a plane, flew down to Benghazi, got a local militia they were working with and they fought their way into that annex.

Otherwise those guys would have been dead hostages and then killed. There's 25 other ways they could have supported those guys and they didn't. No, because the decision was made.

10 minutes in that they weren't going to do it. Because the deputy ambassador, greg Hicks, told me on camera same thing. He said under oath on the Hill. He said 10 minutes into the attack because Chris Stevens called him when he was under attack, said it's a terrorist attack and he said to the defense attache who's what? Your top spy in the embassy for the military right? And he says well, and the defense attache looked at him and said I'm sorry, greg Cavalry ain't coming.

And he said and that decision never changed. Well, this guy, this SAS guy who was running the operation. So basically they would get a list from the State Department of all the weapons that they wanted. He would drive out to this compound, give it to this guy. A State Department guy would show up with a briefcase full of cash. They'd transfer it to the al-Qaeda leader. They'd ship the weapons to, I think, Turkey first, and then it went up to Turkestan. And they had this whole thing set up.

And al-Qaeda had said, they had said publicly they were going to attack the special mission compound in Benghazi. They had said they were going to attack the British ambassador. They did. They said they were going to attack the Red Cross. They did. They said they were going to attack the Red Cross. They did. And then they said they were going to attack the Americans and then they did so.

They sacrificed, they sacrificed. It was a sacrifice, yeah, and he didn't want to go. He knew it was dangerous.

And then they leaked rumors that he was gay and he was meeting some lover. The other disinformation that they did to disgrace the first American ambassador killed in more than half a century. Yeah, disgusting, disgusting. And you know what else that was. That was the beginning of their policy of leaving Americans behind. Because, they left them behind in Afghanistan.

They left them behind in Gaza.

They left them behind in Benghazi. And the one defining principle of the United States military and armed forces is no man left behind which they took from the French Foreign Legion. Yeah, except until those guys got into office Until recently. And then they specialize in leaving Americans behind, betraying their people.

It's disgusting. Disgusting is right.

Well, let's hope. I know I'm sure you've missed your flight by now. Gary, I'm not apologizing. I've been waiting to pin you down for years. It was a cheap ticket. I'm a cheap date.

I had a ticket from Austin to Orlando for $90. I can lose the ticket.

Well, hopefully you've got time to change it. I just want to thank you both.

Yeah, look at what just happened in New York City. We don't want that happening in other cities and counties across the country.

I mean seriously, yeah, seriously yeah we've got a lunatic jihadist, a Marxist, running New York less than 25 years after almost 3,000 Americans were killed on 9-11.

If you had told people back then that this would happen, they would go get out of here. You're crazy.

Yeah, and 38% of Jewish New Yorkers voted for him. Are you kidding me?

That's stunning.

It is. It's beyond belief. It's like marching like lambs to the slaughter and then saying would you like us to gas ourselves?

Would that make it easier for you, so you don't have to do it? Well, if we don't act now, we will be living in a country and in a world that we don't recognize.

Yep, a world, by the way, where white people don't have a very good spot, because that's been made very clear. Well, I want to thank both of you. I know it's not easy. What you've been doing, um, I will do, you know.

Yeah, the stakes are big and people need to understand how big they are and how clever our enemies have been, and we need to be smarter than them.

And they have a plan Right and that plan has not ended.

It's not good, they're not our friends, it didn't end with the publication of this book. They continue to fight back but you know, we're grateful to be citizens of a great country and we will continue the fight and we will expand the number of people on our team. We go forward.

Number one, single most important thing that Trump needs to do next, in your opinion, each of you.

End the regime in Venezuela immediately. They will be great partners. I know he's already communicated. He's had communication with Maria Corina Machado when she but there is a team he should recognize. She has competent people about around her that we have to use. Let these Venezuelans help us in the fight. Don't compromise, please, mr President. Don't compromise for cartel light. See this through End the cartel there. That's the most important thing you can do and that's the first thing.

Ralph.

Dismantle the whole system that our enemies have been using to steal elections from us, so that we have a fighting chance. And the American people? The system was designed for people to express their opinions through the vote, and not the opinions of Venezuelans or Chinese or Cubans not their will. Let's honestly express our own will and we'll figure this out. The system will work the way it's supposed to.

What about accountability?

And accountability along the way as well. I mean that has to be part of dismantling. Dismantling the system means rooting out all the corruption as well. That's a bigger problem. I think it's going to take over a decade to do it.

And by corruption. Let's be clear we are still talking about treason and sedition.

Yes, absolutely. It's more than just corruption.

It's more than just failure. It's more than just corruption, it's treason, it is actual willful betrayal and do a better job of educating our citizens and our youth.

We need a strong press, a strong, honest press. The system depends on that and we don't have it now.

Well, thank you both very, very much. You made me a promise and you're ready to share that list of all the people on the payroll of foreign governments and foreign terrorist organizations and so on. Cartel del Sol, just so people know, venezuela is really basically a narco-terrorist state with diplomatic ties and immunity right.

Yes, yes.

And okay, so well. I thank you both for being here very, very much.

Thank you very much. I look forward to speaking to you again.

Thank you, it's been a pleasure and once again that Stolen Elections, the Takedown of Democracies Worldwide. By Ralph Pizzullo, new York Times bestselling author, and who has patiently, painstakingly told the spectacular story of the work that Gary Brinson and-.

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