Ep. 058 - Jim Powers - Going Deeper

You're watching Your Worst Friend Going Deeper Season five. Today's guest legendary adult film director Jim Powers. Here's your host, Matt and Shane. You're watching YWF Going Deeper Season five. I'm Matt and I'm joined today by my lovely co host Shane. What's up? Go to Your Worst Friend dot com see all of our other interviews, and follow us on Twitter and Instagram at Worst Friendcast.

Today, Ladies and gentlemen, we're joined by very special guests. You might know him as the director of such cinematic masterpieces as American book Cocky Series, Liquid Gold Series and the Guttermouth series and the Girl Vert series. I threw an extra hand in there by accident. He's directed former guests of ours Sarah j Anna fox K Lovely. You find him on Twitter at Jim Powers xxx. And for links to everything we're going to talk about today, you

can check out the episode description below. Ladies and gentlemen join us in welcoming to the show the legendary director Jim Powers. Jim, thank you very much for coming on with us tonight. Thanks for having me so as I was telling you before the show started, Shane and I are right around the age where you know, we got the first America online, you'd get the discs in the mail, and then right after that step is when you could really

start hitting websites hard, okay and else hard too. I'm sure I would you. Are you one of those people that say every day I wake up is my prime? Or do you think maybe that was your prime back then? Oh? God, I didn't think it was my prime at the time. I just keep on stumbling through life. So I don't think it's any different nowadays. For the most part, I think it was a little crazier back then, the type of stuff you were doing, so it was it

was just a different world. But you know, things changed. The more changes, the more it stays the same. So for sure, for sure. So how did you, and I've done a little background research before the audience, how did you initially get into the industry. I started out we were going to make kickboxing videos, and it started out and it's you've heard the story, but it's a long story. Short ends up being with my partners goes, we can't go into business with this guy. He used to

shoot porn movies. There's no way we can be involved with them. Why he goes, well, that's the mafia, you know, and the mafia runs porn. So I'm like, oh, that makes sense, let's not get into porn. And ending one leads to another and one there, and we started making porn movies because one of the distributors that was going to handle that when we put out the kickboxing thing said you guys should be informed. So we set up a distributor ship. It didn't really work out, so

I headed back to California. This is back in Florida, back in nineteen ninety with Buck Adams. You might remember Buck Adams. Sure, he's a director in the eighties. He's Amber Lyn's brother. That's who he is. Okay, he's been dead for a while. And so anyway, we came out to California to shoot our first movie, which was a thirty five millimeter film, My first movie. Okay, hey, how to pull this thing off the screen or does it stay up there? This meeting is being recorded

and I pulled out. I think you just hate got it? I don't know, I got it wonderful. There you go. So, I mean, were you always like a creative guy where you're interested? I know you were back you were in a band back in the day, right, has that always just been your thing? Yeah? You still are. Yeah, that's true. I should check out Kilroy. We're on iTunes and have a bunch of albums. I played some for Shane before we got you on here

today. Well you played me like twelve seconds. Well it was on Yeah, it was on iTunes, like the preview thing, and I was like, that sounds pretty good. Yeah, I like that brutalized. Listen to the new one, brutalized. Okay, there you go, we'll check it. Maybe maybe next time, I don't pick one from nineteen eighty four. I was trying to give you the real feel. I was trying to get you, like, you know, a real sense of show was back in

the day. I wanted to eventually show you the progression and the evolution of this gentleman here. Okay, it's still the same, nothing has changed. Yeah, that's Shane and I from high school. Pretty much the same thing. Six songs from back then. Yeah yeah, yeah. Now when you grow up, you're getting closer to death. So don't grow up. It's just how I've always seen it, exactly, and your way through life.

So again, was this did you get like embedded in the industry and you started to really fall in love with it or was it a great way for you to make money and you realized you were good at it and you were able to do it. Did you like the industry when you first got into it. Okay, everything for me in the beginning was very accidental. I really wasn't trying to become a pornographer. So I did this movie with Block and I go that was it was a one off thing. What was the

point of this. It's not like I want really wanted to be in porn that bad, and it's kind of like everything. It's like every in porns. The first couple of years with most part was accidental for me. So we make this movie. So now I'm back in La I get a job. So I started working for this guy, you know, being a pitchman for you know, funding for loans. And my boss I told me, yeah, I made this porn once, and this crazy boss I had, He goes, really, you know, we need to make some those amateur

movies. Could you could you? Could you get some girls down here and film me? Because he was he ran a swinger colony or something. He was the head guy who lived at or not Swinger Placement. Knew this colony, and I'm like, what the fuck? But because I knew world modeling, because I did with the one movie, I go get a couple of girls. I come back there and he wants me to film them in the

office. Here I am in Huntington Beach, you know, this nice corporate building and on a weekend I'm filming, my boss has sex with these two porn girls. So once again, I mean, and then you know, the story was like later that year, I just happened to be at a van awards. I was with you know, hang out with No Effects a lot, So it was with no effect and those guys and we just went

over to the ballets. This is just pure luck. And it happened to be back in those days they do the awards at the valleys and everybody was hanging at the bar, and you know, so balls in these porn people knew me from that one movie and they're like, yeah, man, Jum, you need to make another movie. I'm like, hell no, the movie sucked. I made it cost a bunch of money. I didn't make any money. I don't want to do it. So if you guys were with the band strung out, but no, no, I know no effects.

I've heard the name yeah, But anyway, I got the drummer in me. He's like, well, look at how much can you make a porn movie for. I could do it. I could after the amateur one. I keep in mind this nineteen ninety two, beginning of ninety two, so you know, like I knew that kind of the amateur rates at the time. They go, well, fuck, I could make a better porn movie than I made for five thousand dollars. So we ended up making this movie. One of the guys in the band another band was going to be

the director who wrote it and everything. I was going to be the producer it together, you know, the producer, because I never picked up a camera and anything. And I still wasn't trying to be any you know, there was no gym powers or anything back then. And so what happened was I get to the set that morning and he's an acid He took acid in preparation laying around the ground, was laying there staring at his cigarette, and I realized what he's doing. He's looking at the trails. I'm like,

he took acid. You have to direct this movie, you know, making got a lot invested in this thing, right, and so I ended up taking over directing the porn. So what was it like an easy Rider inspired or like what what kind of porn was it? Like? Was he trying to get into like some sort of like was he an a tour? Like he was an all tour? Yeah? He was? Okay? Okay? Was he a guy who liked acid? Like? You know all right? Was it his first time? Well? This the song? Like? Is

that? What was the one? I did this right about them? For no effects? Let me use their music to open the movie. So they had just an S and M airlines. The movie opens with Vanilla Sacks? Is they you know, Mike, let me put it on it. And so this movie was about this guy who captures these girls and he wears a TV on his head because the guy who was acting the movie was in a band called glue Gun, and that was the shtick. On stage, he'd wear a TV on his head and like TV, he's taking us over.

Whoever knew what it was some punk band and so they would be capturing the people and whatever having sex. We had all these cut up things on the walls, like cut up magazines and whatever. We thought it was really already at the time, We're making this punk rock porn and a lot of these guys are in the movie. If you ever see this old movie never he made it to DVD. It's like music, I know that side the Hellcats, you know all these punk bands, or is this movie and you make

this ridiculous movie? Yeah, to get into the headspace he was gonna get an accident and everything because everybodought was gonna get a party there. They didn't realize that is any work. And I've done that film, so I know you don't just don't do drugs and make a movie. You know, it's not that easy. So I had to take over doing everything. I don't

know, the sixties might disagree with you. Did you see early on a lot of porn sets devolve into parties or no. I feel like, not not like big name, not like when you were actually in the game, but like when you're really trying to because I feel like, I mean, I've shot little independent movies and it takes it takes six hours to shoot one scene and it's because everyone's fucking, you know, making jokes over here doing this. By the end you're fucking holding back a tear going. We got

thirty seconds of footage over six hours. I am fucked and I don't know what to do. Isn't that kind of the point of Boogie Nights? Well yeah, but horn sets themselves are not parties in Bogie Knights, right right, right? Like that, that's what they're kind of trying to show, right, is like the more Mark Wahlberg tries to make it all a porn or a party, like the more, he's hurting his career and ruining the

shoot for everybody else. So I feel like, I mean, like by the nineties, you guys probably had a pretty smooth routine, Like you had a science for shooting a porn by then, right, So anyway, I never had any training in porn or anything. So here's so once again I make this movie. I can't sell it. I'm like, I have nothing to do it for him. I don't you know, I'm out of forn again, and I end up selling the movie. This movie at first, this one, the first one speed Trap went to BCA. In this movie,

Bilsbies went to mid Here's what happened. Here's how I got going porn. So I go into the Midnight office and I meet the main guy there, Kevin beachin yeah, I'm giving in the movie. He says to me, Hey, you want to shoot some amateur for scenes from this weekend? And I'm like, well, I don't know anything about shooting. I've never picked up a camera. Because it's amateur. You just pick up a camera.

I'm like, where do I get the people? He's like, because they're amateurs, right, because you just go up to people in the street and ask them if they want to fuck. I go really, that's all I have to do. He goes, Yeah. So at the time, my buddy remember jug Head's Revenge, that band that your guys are probably kind

from that era and one of the nitro bands like Offspring. Okay, yeah, I got him a job over at this one stop at the time, and I tell him about this thing, and he goes because he wanted to be in a porn and he's like, well, I got this guy over here who can book the girls and everything for you, and he has access to all of them. I'm like, all right now, oh my back to backup. The reason I got this thing is lin On Beach bumb amateurs.

There used to be a guy in Alexander who started a company called Anabolic Video, famous for the gang bangs Chris had just I knew Chris when I was trying to book him in The Hills Have Thighs. He ended up not doing it, but he quit making amateurs because Anabolic had just released their first two movies and was about to take off, and he didn't want to be shooting the amateurs anymore, just his own stuff, because he did that famous

Debbie Diamond gang bang and Tricksy Tyler. Right away, I'm like, okay, so anyway, now I'm gonna shoot these amateurs I get at the time. This is before he was David Lord's. David Lords was a salesman at the company that too the guy from Drugheads introduced me to and because I thought, okay, it's a beach movie. You have to shoot at the beach.

And I didn't know anything about legality or anything. So we went down to the beach in Ballibu and we got a bunch of people and I just started filming him and have sex on the beach in public show and I shoot the first scene and the place is starting to fill up and people are starting to point to look at us, and I guess and my friends said we should get out of there. So we go to another place up in the

Hollywood Hills. One of his clients he's dead. Now you remember the old surfing director Dale Davis Walk on the West Side, all that stuff in the sixties, like he produced like Jan and Den Jan Deane were like, yeah, I know the name, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. If you're at all in the old surfing directors. He was one of the creators of the surfing film yeah if you're Google. And he's a very famous surf

director. So this is how I got going importance. And we go over there and I shoot these amateur scenes whatever you know, and I go drop them off and Kevin once again, he's like, oh, these are great. I want you to shoot more. I do not. I want to do it. He's like, why because I lost two hundred dollars doing it. I'm not making a career at a barn. Everything I do loses money. I'm not going to make porn. And he goes throws five hundred dollars

at me. But he goes, now, now you've made a three or dollars prop because what he did is he took a look at the back. In those days, we'd shot what we're called chromes. You remember chromes. No, okay, you shot Let's say you shot thirty five millimeter film on stills. Okay, still cameras would shoot film. In those days, we're shooting thirty five millimere. The chrome is like the ones that used to do slide shows. I mean, I don't remember this thing, but they maybe

paper and there. You have to hold them up to a light to see them. Sure, in the old days, your grandparents and your guys, the great great grandparents would play these for you on the wall, would be flide shows. But that's how they did it. In these days they are called chromes, So you hold these pictures up to the light. He sees his people fucking on the beach, because that's why he said, go shoot me more of them. So anyway, I went down there and shot on

the beach and ended up getting arrested. But back then, because porn had just become legal and eighty nine, so they hit me when on felon accounts on pandering and conspiracy because when you arrest somebody, because that goes back to the old al capone days, he hit conspiracy, you know, you see all that stuffy always kind of a conspiracy charge always triples it, right, Sure, and so that's why the and you're teamed up with somebody, so

it's worth doing crime with other people than by yourself. So you get conspiracy and pandering is basically being a pimp, because that's what they used to popy

on the old days. Anyway, Now I owe money into lawyers and you know, and basically I teamed up with Dale Davis, the old surf director where he's like he would I would get the girls, we would shoot them, like where he would get a blowjob from them and then they do a girl girl and I would cut these into my movies which will becoming the beach Ball Amateurs, and he would edit them and all this stuff for me.

So I was getting basically free content working at his house. And then I ended up paying all these legal bills, and you know, after you know, you start getting a reputation. I had people coming to me to shoot after that. Sure, and that's where and jam was born from that. That's where the whole jam things started with the days when David Lawrence was a

salesman over there for Jeff Mike who worked for Zane at the time. And then and this was the beginning where Jeff Mike found me this guy who would do anything, and I became the guy who started shooting all that Jam stuff. Okay, that was all the hockeys. All that shit came from that, you guys. I don't I don't know if this is a touchy subject at all, but Jam eventually got hit with an obscenity charge, right or they tried to. Yeah, a lot of them, we had several had

four or five fucking rand Larry Flint is like one of my heroes. Uh just just because First Amendment rights, you know, you want to put I one hundred percent believe in that, and I believe in it. With born the Jam stuff, I was going through it just so I could try and see what I remember what I did, and there was you know, it was classic stuff. We grew up. Really, man, Shane's gonna be on the outside just because he doesn't know the names as much as I do.

But like, uh, I remember the slip. It's okay, okay, good. I grew a big on. I was a huge fan of the Extreme Associates line of DVDs. We were past you know, VHS's.

I don't think I ever owned a VHS, did you, Shane. I never purchased VHS porn, but I boot I had a VHS video that I I would stay home from school sick some days, and then I would sneak my stepdad's porn or my dad's porn his VHS's, and then I would take the two v vhs or the VCRs at the same time, you know, sure, and copy it over forward over, and like an old movie I got off TBS or something. So it's say, like you know, Aladdin, it was actually, you know, like cream Pie Queens or some shit

like that. So it's funny, Jim how you talked about how you get a reputation and it kind of just becomes a snowball going downhill. We were we do a comedy show, is what do? And we got an interview with a big name from the time just by reaching out on Instagram saying hey, we were talking to interesting people, people we found interesting, And by that I mean a fucking nine to eleven conspiracy theorist, some Swedish guy who

talked about fucking singularities and whatever whatever it is. We were just trying to rip on people, and we reached out to Gauge, who's big during that time, and she was like, yeah, Mojo, yeah, yeah, Well we'll talk about her in a little bit because right now, yes she does. Yeah. And but again that was the thing. She reached out and she said, or we reached out and we said, hey, we want to interview. We did an interview. It was a great time.

Grabbed a couple more people just by having a reputation of having talked to Gauge. Erica PR rep reached out, she's wonderful. Then the other PR companies reach out and you just all of a sudden, you go, well, now I have a porn star interview show. Like it's weird, how it It kind of of not necessarily the path you set out on, but it's something you become successful at because I don't know, you have the grind to do it and it's in your wheelhouse, right, how dictators are made?

Okay, yeah, sure, you kill one guy and you go, well that was easy enough, right, that's where you can keep it going. One dissident, Let's fix the world now, Jim. You were known as kind of like an innovative guy and the stuff you brought to this right, Can you tell us how you brought bukkake to America? All right? Okay, a lot of things this jam jet like love shocking everybody, and I would like the perfect guy to do it for him because I would just do

these. You know, it was a weird era because I, like you guys are younger, but like before you, right before DBDs came along, they existed before, but they took over the market in two thousand and two. I'll never forget what happened? Was it two? There was a two thousand and two or two thousand and three. Literally you went from ninety percent of your sales to vhs to twenty percent in thirty days. This is how fast when it finally took over. Bet I know what it was, but

that's it went so fast. Because what happens is before then DVDs ha been out, but they used to be made with what was called a glass master. Do you guys remember these terms? Not glass master? No, I don't know that glass master would cost you. Keep in mind fucking ninety set by ninety eight first DVDs that I remember in ninety seven ninety eight, right, a glass master would cost ten thousand dollars. So there's a barrier to entry. See, there's so much form being put out that because there's no

barrier to entry. Sure you know what I mean, anybody can throw out of the only fans it's free to set up this time. Porn in the old days there was a serious barrier to entry. Like anything. There's it costs a lot of money to put out something. Sure you could do the basic thing, but you got marketed. There's costs of you know, besides your production itself, but if you're going to distribute it, then your distribution cost. Knowing people you have to keep on putting on a bunch of movies

whatever. It's called a barrier entry. So anyway, you had the DVDs with a ten thousand dollars costs on them, the glass masters and nobody. The DVD thing lagged behind, and the porn companies were afraid to go full steam into it, which are usually the first one. The early adapter is always by porn, you know, when it comes to technology. So the porn companies were scared to jump in it because they got their asses, had to hand it to them. Prior to that end, the CD RHM craze,

the CD rom craise came before the DVD craze. Before that came the laser discs crazed from the eighties. I don't know if you remember the laser discs about that one, now, was it? See? I went to school for film, and by the way, when I got enough season classes, plenty of plenty of my teachers let me know, like, you can always just direct porn, which I now I find a little insulting, pretty corn to porn people, not to me, like, I mean, no,

absolutely not, I'm not talented enough. But I remember it was it VHS again, it's laser disc. No, it was, Yeah, it was a VHS and Beta Max. It was laser disc and and I think that was might have just been a thing that nobody gave it about, okay, since I was like, it was VHS versus data, okay, but it was the same basic type of thing you had, Beata. That's like Tesla versus every other charge car, right, you know, it's the same basic thing. It's just like Beta was a better quality thing, but VHS

marketed better and they took over the marketplace. The Beta was ever better. Everybody knew that, but VHS went in price recorders everything to the marketplace, and we can talk talking about sell through and all sorts of things that change the full game. When sell through products came into being. This is it's because look at everything we do nowadays. And so I said, the more stays changes, the more it stays the same. It's all about that is

putting out you know, how are you going to distribute it? How are you putting out the product. It's the same basic shit whether you're streaming with the Internet or you're putting it on you know film in the old days and putting in theaters. But anyway, your question was when DVD vhs just got me while up once once they found a way that's no longer the glass masters.

They figured out to do it cheaper. It was like overnight when you went to just the replication runs and you're just paying your editor, the author and gut eight hundred bucks to do it, and then you're just running the replication. Everybody took their old inventory, their old catalog and stuck it onto

DVD. And when it hit it was because I know, because I was started powers build my own line at the time, even though I owned multimedia Beforetentorious, which end up in lawsuits and everything, and I shot for JAM and other companies back in those days. I started putting on my own stuffs because I had to keep on shooting. It's alone as financial reasons why I was putting out this stuff. And by my second or third release, like it was all being sold on DVD. It was a crazy how fast it

changed. It was one month. It just changed everything once the prices of this glass Masters disappeared. Wow, it's like the old days that you have to broadcast do streaming live because we were trying those days to set up internet and everything from our company and to be able to you know, do a live show. You know, you know what it would cost you to have to do it from your house for the office? Wow? Right, T one modem right here? And how much was it a month? Ten thousand?

I don't know. I mean that would be a two thousand and nineteen ninety eight ninety nine dollars let's call it. When is that now? If you're today's dollars not to you know, one hundred, two hundred nothing now, but it's probably about twenty thousand dollars a month? Oh now for all your streaming for free and only do you mean? So there was a lot of barriers to entry back then, so we know how we got this tangent.

But I guess we're setting up for whatever. The question was about what were we doing as how you brought over various various various forms of degeneracy to the US, such as back. So anyway, Jeff Mike, when were we going to talk about these? Okay, so here's that bigcacky began. So Jeff Mike would always kind of come up with these things like Perverted Stories. I was just basically hungover. I'd been up all night. I'd left like a porn set. When Perverted Stories began and we used to spend a

lot of these things would get created start in Perverted Stories. The first BOOKACKI was a scene in a Perverted Stories. The gut otermouth came from Perverted Stories. These things would be spun out of this old line called Perverted Stories, which used what Jeff Mike has sent me on. Because this creates something crazy.

One weekend, you know, because I was starting to get a named just Biga Jim Powers whatever that I do all these things with those weirding monsters screwing people and all those crazy people have her heads off, and yeah, it puts fucking women and all these the hitchhikers and fucking Stumpy and all the alien when I did the alien autopsy video and they fuck it. This is

always a Perverten story. So anyway, I go in his office one day and he's got this VHS from Japan, right, this is still the VHSS days and he sticks He goes, Jim, you need to see this. He puts it in. I'll never forget this. And you see this girl. She's in her room, Japanese girl. We're in the Playboy with ears

right, and it's very slow and romantic, and she's just masturbating. Camera pulls out into a crowd and the streets surround it was like twenty five maybe more might have been forty forty Asian guys wearing white underwear, all of them because Japan, right, And so I'm watching this thing when the fuck and then all of a sudden, you hear a clap and they all rise up, ran those from a cocky So I got second clap, they all take

off their underwear. Third clock, they throw the underwear at her and they yelled to cocky and then they set her down and basically complete organized chaos. But they don't say anything because they're, you know, very much in control. It was insane, and but it's very quiet. She just sits there and they has come from me this sigence shoot in her face and it was

all pixelated. It had to be pixelated because it's Japanese. And he shows me this and I'm like, where the fuck am I going to get all the Japanese guys, because not just get what you guys right, And I'm like, I'm like, fuck, you know, because you'll keep in mind, you're still if you to do male talent, they're going to want a lot of money. Okay, So what I did is we had this warehouse because I you know, I had the Furious at the time, and I

got like, I think the very first ocockame perverted stories. It's an all perverted story scene. I get like seventeen or eighteen guys. They got all the regular male talent they come over. I got like John Doe's in and Dave Harden and all those guys, Rick Masters, you know, all those characters from that era are in it. If you watch the very first one, and we did it. We did it just like they did the Japanese one, and then he puts it out and it gets such a good response.

He's like, Jim, we need to do it again, but it's going to do its own line. So I figure, well, what if we do it weekly and I just tell the guys, they'll start building on itself. And I learned real fast it was it was going to cap out if I was using a regular male talent. So we had to bring it to the man on the street. We needed the average Joe to come to these so what we had to do. And I it was during that era,

and I think that's what started this was that crazy era. We were all trying to outdo each other with these world record gang bangs and shit, if you guys remember these days, absolute and so we were all trying to you know, And I was up against he's dead. Now I forget what his fucking name is, but whatever his name is, he's dead. But I used to compete against him. I beat his record. So if he'd have one hundred and fifty people, and then I get too, I have

to get two hundred guys. And really maybe I think I actually most guys. Anyway, I actually had one hundred and fifty. A value you gotta do is tag you're putting Penis into her accounts as one tagged before Holmes a Tucker like fifty one because I did that. Candy Apples Buses at seven forty two because I wanted to make it, which later became Warped Tour, but I had skateboarding, added bands playing. I wanted to make it a whole event like a Warped tour, but you could beat off on the girl like

that with the bands and sure. Anyway, so it gets back to mcconacky. So we're starting to do him in the first volume. They're starting to build them, like the twenty twenty five people, thirty people, and I'm running ads because we're looking for all the guys for these these things anyway, So I'm running ads in La Weekly, and I figured that we had to do the Bacacky's. I started doing by bus stocks because most of these guys didn't have cars, so I would and I'd also do on Wednesday nights after

they got off work. And I would also could they get tests for free and it would come off their pay because that was back in the days of Eliza testing, which was a very fast fifteen minute result. So we had a testing facility we were using in Van Eyes or North Hollywood or whatever it was. And I would get the guys you know coming. You know, I was seeing ads, physical ads and launder mats because I figured those guys did extra money. And we were putting these ads at ELI weekly. I

set the Bacacky hotline. You reached the Bocaky hotline and all that stuff that was me. And what I did is I started getting such, you know, a big crowd coming to these things because like Larry what's the name, Larry Melrose, Larry Green would come a broadcast it on the Howard Stern Show, right, Howard Sternshard talking about the Bocacky's and the girls would do the cockies and they'd fly out there. And back in those days they had all the porn girls. One they would fly to a show. I mean they

flew me out there. I went to the show and they would they would get the you know, everybody would come on the show and Howard Stern. So I was getting over one hundred people at these the cocky's, and I had to have a you can't just do it with a normal porn set. So I would the guy was booking the girls for me. Was the lead at Jurassic Park at Universal Park. Yeah, I hired the whole ride staff, the cockeys, and I would run these like theme park rides. So

when you come there, it wasn't like a typical horn set. You'd be set up there, you close to security. They'd bring you to do the paperwork because they're like I mean, you had guys were meeting each other, last side each other in prison. Fights would breakout. We had security, and we had the cocky robbery with pulls, a gun held up my guy from the ash. He put a gun to his head. We had all sorts of crazy shit would take like the Cocky and there it was just like

good Zoo because we're not the normal porn guys. And from this came the Mope, the whole Mope world and you know the Steve Driver, you know the guy and the Samurai porn killer when when he killed the people and everything that the movie Mope is about. Okay, they came from the Pacaki that was a pacacky boy, and it was it was like shooting a sporting event, much much more than a porn movie. But that's how the kacky.

I just took it to the next level and became a part of Americana, you know, Lexicona like a word you say, nobody knew what it was back then. Sure, so were you able to then keep costs down as well by grabbing more of these I understand you said that was the whole reason. Sure, yeah, yeah, I imagine if you had to pay one hundred porn stars, right, yeah, and they couldn't do it either. These guys, these guys become really quick. That's a good point. Yeah.

Yeah. They would listen to you and they were basically and they were all the great we were sun the dream of you're going to become a porn star and you get noticed, most of you get noticed, all right, you didn't, well, but plenty of guys actually came whatever, plenty of guys that came out of this, and it was it was such a because we'd always have the magazines that are covering these things, and yeah, I'd

have to keep away together. I'd call them chicken hawks. But the other directors would come over there trying to steal my men because they were too cheap to put out the ads, because all weekly ads are expensive and and you know, so we were paying I think when it started like a fifty bucks a guy, and then I went to like seventy seventy five dollars. So if you had one hundred guys, they're interest. Yeah, either for ten

fifteen months, we would do the bacackis. There'd be three per volume, right, and so we would do them three weeks in a row, soybe three Wednesdays or Tuesday, what was it. That's been a while, but we'd do them like three week weeks in a row because that way they get the test and those days would be good for a month to test one time.

And remember these guys were getting you know, a hint on to become because it became like a cocky union guys trying to unionize, and they were being you know taken to other sets and everything because everybody wanted to do you know, like I said, it was the world of everybody's competing, Like like guys would do lines and one like you know, they eight fucked the girl, but they want twelve guys to blast on her face afterwards. Remember

that old line that was out. So you know, the cocky turned into it start against so popular and you know next thing, you know, Jeff Mike's driving Ferrari's around all sorts of shit. You know, it's like you know, the you know, keep in mind he did he didn't end up getting in trouble with the US government of this. But so anyway, the cocky from that, we did the gopin, which meant swallow right. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I like that one. We did the butt

fuck thecacky, We did the lesbian bacacky, we did the reverse. Did you do the yuko zuna? What's that one? That's not the one they sit on your face and fart? No, no, let me ask you. Was the pay less uh for the girls versus a different type of scene because there's less wear and tear on them? Oh yeah, okay, well it's not to mention. Do you know what a facial would cost to actually

get those people? And they are lucky to do it. I would have girls that we'd have to have a backup all the time, and girls would be crying if they didn't get a pacaky. Yeah really it Well, you know they say the seamen is good for the skin, So think I much that would cost to have done in your real life? Sure? Sure, yeah, A nice La Spa. What's that going to cost you exactly? I don't know. So it's some guys down in ten City to do it for free. Yeah, that's the point. Yeah, but would you be

in a safe environment? I was providing a service. That's a good point. Yeah, yeah. And so anyway, I think, you know, like I did a lot of good in the world. Would you say that, like you mentioned how it's kind of just like all been accidental, do you like your role in porn or are you just kind of are you? Are you like kind of like me where it's like I get home from my regular job every day and I'm like, Jesus fucking Christ, I'm gonna kill

myself. You know. No, I said I fell into this accidentally. Yeah, because it wasn't like a you know, film student that was trying to make a film and I couldn't do it and I fell into pornos I'm angry. Those are the angry angry by the artists, you know what I mean. I mean, I've always been pretty artistic, because there's an art major played in a punk band or something, so I'm always you know, been creative, I guess, But I was never the angry person that felt

like, oh stuck doing porn. I used to be a stockbroker. Nothing's worse than that. And you know, back back in the days that you know, selling stocks on the phone, that's a nightmare. Any cold calling ship like that, Oh yeah, they did that for years. Jim, m Me ask you a question, a real basic question that Shane and I have been wondering since high school. Who or what determines who the cover girl

was going to be on a DVD on another company? Okay, simple, look it just okay, there's a lot of these because I've shot so many different companies, there's so many different things. Some places just happened to be the best picture, Okay. And Jeff Mike like jam was pretty much you know, a lot of those just who had the best picture. He didn't care if they were popular or not, because this is before you had a

lot of that ship. Like. But now, if you go back to the days before you had the analytics and everything like you do, for like, how many fans they Adam Fluer and all this shit before you had anything to gauge them by. Uh. Sure, certain girls were well known for back in those days, going on the road dancing or whatever. It might be or maybe if Cable would purchase that movie of them, you know,

or if your foreign markets were asking. But for the most part, like the jam stuff was kind of like whoever just had the best picture, if they happened to like would make the cover. Sure, But like because I shot all these different companies that a lot of times it was the star girl

that you knew it was going to be the cover. Who was you know it was that's who you wanted on the cover, and it's like there was it all depends on the company, or there's the girl who's banging the owner of the company, you know what I mean, or whatever I was. I was gonna say, if DVDs were still prominent today, it would probably be whoever has the highest follower count or the best picture, like you said,

or if it was a specific niche you were going for. Well I would even in the nineties look at because I shot a lot of stuff with you know, the Spice channel, because that's really why I started going, because I was one of the early guys shooting ice, Like by ninety five, I was doing all those features on Spice and stuff. You know. I was always also asking when we would shoot a movie and they would tell me, sometimes, can you get this girl in the movie we really want

because our German, Germany wants this girl in the movie. Sure, or or you know, some of the bigger paying companies and countries like Germany was always the holy grail of the companies to get because they paid the most, you know what I mean, So you'd listen to what Germany had to say. Or you know, if you were already shooting for a cable company, already un locked in deal, but yeah, you would, you would just kind of go with who are the popular girls? You would try to do

that way. I was always try to every movie. I've always tried to stick out some way it's gonna be popular. It could be your cover or a really good looking, new up and coming girl. Okay, okay, that made sense. You I have loved for years on porn Hub you were horns. Uh oh? What was this? Specifically called Porn's most outrageous outtakes? They were some of my favorite things ever. I just I don't know why. I like behind the scenes stuff, but I also like the realism

of just behind I don't necessarily need to see someone fucking. I really like watching Tanner May's loser fucking Mind on set? Was that your biggest freak out? Yeah, that was a real good one. Was that the biggest freak out you had from a female performer? Or is there something you couldn't maybe put in there? Ory bet back of that. Okay, it was a different era. Totally let me. I used to get Jeff Mike. Here's what people didn't realize in those days. I would get bonuses if you want

to complained about me, and that was it was a different era. Think about what I said. That's insanity nowadays. And it wasn't like I was supposed to be mean to people, But is it pushing them to get the best you could have? What you wanted the scene? Right? That was basically my job, you know, is to push people because Jeff might love those freak out moments and stuff. And it's like even if you watch a tan Amaze when it's so stupid because you see I'm in there, like they

come up to me and they got some bts. Guys, still I'm eating a sandwich. I'm like what Because half the time these things would happen and got I could tell set stories forever, but usually I would just kind of be like the innocent idiot to say, there, what the fuck just happened? You know what I mean? Type of thing you like, I'll be just shooting in this chaos and erupting around you, whether it's a guy running around the gun or somebody getting beat up. But you know this ship that

just happens, somebody's flying through a window. You know this ship would have happen, you know, would happen. That was a good one just because it went on so long. It was so ridiculous. The best part of that whole thing is when she gets in the taxi that shows you howl is there's a taxi? She leans as does anybody know in my address? I

like that one a lot. It. Okay, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna ask you to raake your mind this late at night, but give me a good onset story where a performer where maybe you thought again you said your job was to push a little bit, and uh again, different era, where was something where you pushed and then maybe you went, oh shit, did I pushed too far? On this? A lot of times we just do a line called the violation series. Do you remember that? Well,

we'll get to that. Yep. Later on YP the Violation had a lot of those. And look, my job was to do the thing they want. You need an X number of amount of footage. I had to deliver this for the companies, and we tell people ahead of time, look, I gotta shoot this much footage, and you know, once you're in the moment, I learned that the girls would kind of go overboard when the girls

again in that system, when they're like assaulting one of the girls. Girls can be really mean, and these girls weren't realize what they would get into, you know what I mean. And a lot of times we'd get these girls who were kind of primadonnas and we pay to be in these things, and all the other girls who are you know, our regulars and stuff, we kind of, you know, took it as a class struggle type of thing. Really, you know, be brutal when they're shoving the dildos on

her. So I had a lot of those type of ones where you had somebody like three or four times I have to keep on talking you back onto the set, Well that goddamn bitch out there. Yeah, you have to start and there be fights. I mean, I've been shooting scenes I was

doing a lesbian orgy one time. These two girls hated each other and one girl was trying to pale the other one with a dildo in the middle of the thing, and I'm shooting a big beta cam and I'm trying to separate these girls from fighting with my legs in the middle of them, when I'm still trying to shoot the restport and girls in the room and they're literally trying to kill each other in the middle of the room. But I don't know, I mean, you'd have to. There was just so many of those.

It was. It was commonplace. It was like, I mean things like that. I mean, I mean, I mean, there's so many crazy stories I could tell, like drug induce stories and things that did happen. In a sense. It was funny where you know, I got blialous guy lost in mine, like because like idiot, I didn't know what he did at the time. I found it later. But we went smoked. Do you guys remember when Glass was around. I mean, yes, I've never smoked. Glass accidentally smoked PCP one time, but no, not Glass.

An idiot smoked it. It's like a movie and he's running like I'm trying to do the scene with it. There's something wrong with his eyes. I didn't know what it was at the times. And he'sn't get hard where he's just doing. He's doing the math twist on it twist and yeah, anyway, the other I have the other talents get him through the scene.

Forget the DP. And I was doing an Amish movie called Uh it's doing a lot of Pomish for some reason, where everybody be in ort Nung's and you'd go to ort Nung and I'd like, you know, the black guy would go hide out in the Amish community or the black girl would go hide out. So I do these Amish movies, which is quite popular at the time. I don't know why. You know, king Pin was out in

stuff. Okay, anyway, this guy wasn't smokes. This setting. We're shooting up in the hills of Valencia where we're going to do this movie, and I get this cool location. And when I get there that morning, the owner said the kid his mom at the house. He goes looking my sister. I'm trying to get out of the house, like, what's your sister doing here? Yeah? I go, well, how's your sister? Because she's fourteen I go, she's got to get the fuck out of here.

I'm showing enough to shoot a poor you can't. And she's got a fucking prisoner boyfriend. These are the classic guy straight out all the prison tattoos, shaved head, like the Ariyan type of guy, you know what I mean, straight out right whatever it is. And they're in brotherhood. I'm like, straight up this Nazi little rider type of guy, and I'm like, what the fuck. He goes, well, can you give us some money to go to the mall? Whatever? So I give them some money,

so they take off the mall because that sets up. So we're trying to get the movie done in the past, very simple homage porno. We want to make everybody's dressed up like Amish people. We got the beard, so kill the guys. Right. We're going to gang bang a girl later that day and do a DP scene. And I think that was just it. There's a little gang bang and DP. So my star male talent ends up smoking ice and you know, not telling us, and he's so high.

We can't do the scene. So I just shoot it with the other guy and he's just hanging around the set. He won't leave and he's on ice and the makeup artists they are pushing him away with a pitchfork, away from the makeup because he keeps him running over and going m because he's doing this thinking he's going to come, but he can't come because he's done from the ice, and I'm just trying to shoot the movie, you know,

because he can't drive. So it's get in your car. You got to get out of here, right, but you can't get out of here. We know that's of just sitting in your car. He doesn't. But now we're doing this blowbang. He keeps on coming in. They're shoving him out. That was funny. You can actually see the movie called Homie in the Haystack. Why they say brother Jedediah has lost his mind and the guy who's are around the background, they're shoving him out of there. It's called Homie

in the Haystack. And so anyway, then what happens is we hear that the girls the guys come back. We're on the property outside of the house now and we've heard that they've come back. They're sick, which they want us out of there. And he sees that I have all these black people there because we're doing a gang bang and stuff and he's going to kill us, and so now everybody's I'm trying to get through the pop shot, right,

this idiot keeps on running around on the on the ice. I'm trying to get get the pop shot, the last shot after we gang bang this girl, right, and everybody's grabbing pitchforks and knives and everything in case the guy comes out to fight him. We'd get the pop shots where he's lining up for a war. And I get the pop shot and she goes running in the hill yelling, and I'm an Ambish hore and I love it. And it's very surreal because it's like it's also the storm was going to hit.

And then we hear sirens. It's all going on up in the woods, Like what the fuck is going on? We're wrapped, get the fuck out of here, because we're shooting outside. We'd already wrapped the inside, and I was just trying to get the pop shot. We're hopping in the car and I still see the guy trying to twist a jerk jerk off, always walking around. The blood is pouring down his hand, but what is

his nails right there? Right? So anyway, we leave, right, and you guys get out of here, get out of and making him just get his car, just get out the property because you know, of course some of this guy starts shooting people. So anyway, we leave. In the next morning, Hey, you want a good set story. It's eight o'clock next morning. I get this phone call Chap. He's whispering and thought, I'm like, yeah, he goes, I can't And I'm like and I'm like, you did, and he goes yeah. He goes, He

goes, man, don't ever do ice. I go, yeah, no, shitting right. He goes, yeah, that was horrible. He goes, It took me six hours to get home and we're done shooting. It was still It's finally eight o'clock in the summer. So he said he got home like around two in the morning. He had to keep on pulling over because and trying to jerk off all the way home, and he couldn't do it. So it took him like powers to get out of the hills Valencia

to get back to Chatsworth, wherever the hell he lived. And so anyhow he told me, yeah, I finally came this morning and just to make sure it worked. I jerked off again, right, And I'm like, oh god, he goes. He goes, but I need you to do me a favor. I'm like, what he goes, you need to call Chuck Martinez. I'm like, why he goes, Well, I have to shoot for him today. I go, why don't you call him? It's

your gig? What is your friend? He goes, I don't have any skin left on my dick born in his whole dick off as a bloody star, Like, well, why he is called Chuck and explain He'll understand. He knows you. Just you call him. I'm not going to call him for you. That's ridiculous, you know. Then it sounds stupid and a director does that. You're better off just calling yourself and saying something. But

anyway, that's don't do ice? Is it? Is it a lot easier shooting nowadays than back then in terms of the professionalism of the people on set or are there still yeah? Yeah, okay. The difference nowadays is we have we really I can't do a lot of that stuff anymore. And let's face it's because it's Twitter, social media and stuff like that. But back in the old days, Look, I'm the guy who used to get sent by Playboy to make those party videos. I used to do Kelly the co

Ed. You've seen all that stuff. I would be and there were two hundred drunken, fat guys shooting scenes. I did that for a decade. So you can't. You just can't make that stuff anymore. See, we're in a different world now like that. I mean, it was kind of weird. That's some kind of peeked out and it in two thousand and ninety ten, eleven, well somewhere around there. I forget when I was shooting for Playboy doing all that stuff. But you just can't do that anymore.

Old girls on wild stuff and like crazy stuff we used to do, sure, because you know now young people. Yeah, it's just you know, it's the world's changed. I think it's a lot of ways. I watched the old jam stuff, like God, you can't make that anymore, like girlvert Sure. So I had a question that kind of relates back to old stuff versus newer stuff. All the girls we've interviewed, we've probably interviewed fifty

performers at this point, if not more. They all right, Okay, One of my favorite things are a lot of the behind the scenes stuff where you will just randomly get the big star of the show, the movie, whatever it is, fluffing the guy a little bit. Girls don't do that anymore. From the ones we've talked to. They're just not interested in it. They're not They're like, there's more of a level of professionalism, it

feels like, but it's a little bit less fun to me. Okay, they say a lot of that stuff, but you know, I mean, I shoot orn all day, and you get the girls when they nine out of ten girls when they're alone they're doing it, say they're doing a scene with the guy or whatever, and he's having any sort of trouble, they tend to help. Keep in mind when you say they're a big star, chances are they're telling us what guy they want to do too. Okay,

so you know what I mean. Yeah, I thought about that too, like I because Matt's made that point a few times, I think, And I mentioned that to my wife and she's like, no, I'll jerk off any guy, like you know, if he's about to fuck me. And I was like, okay, yeah, that let's just gets kind of seems like womanly etiquette, Like it just seems like if the dick's going in anyway,

you just crank it up a few times, you know. You know, the best porn girls, the best porn girls realize if they act like they like that guy and they're nice to them they were, they're gonna whip right through that scene so fast, it's gonna be easy. The ones that act like hunts, do you really want to sit there and be a bitch while the guy's floating around trying to get his dick hard because you're such a bitch, right right, Yeah, then he's gonna have to drill you with

it. Yeah. The best porn girls are the ones that make it easy on the guy and sale you right through. And those are the biggest ones. And I'll tell you right now from experience, the girls, the bigger they are, the better they try to make that guy get through the scene. They're not bitches to him. They're not. I didn't make that up shamy to sound like Matt made this assertion with them. I've asked that we've heard you. Yeah no, but I'm saying like it does. Yeah,

like everyone we've interviewed is just talking a big game. Basically, Well, look at I don't know it's the big game. Look at everybody's had those situations I think where girls don't want it because they don't like that guy or whatever it might be. Everybody's gonna have one. Lease goes through conors and hundreds of scenes. Sure, so you're always and everybody remembers the bad scene versus all the ones that just went by. Right, It's just human nature.

Right. We explain about a restaurant more than we rave about it. Correct. If you have about expres Burger, you're gonna tell everybody, but you're not gonna tell Opper Perfect. You don't tell everybody. So I think, you know the getting back to I just think that the most of the porn girls look a guy that Yes, if the guy is just flower floundering and can't do it, we just cut the scene. We get another guy

in there he just can't do it. That I get. But if you're just talking about a guy who just needs a little bit of work, you know, talking dirty is you're most girls will do that because where they're supposed to be working with that guy anyway, Sure, and they tend to be they're good with it. I mean, I don't get too many girls that are really that bad, because when they're like that, nobody's gonna want to work with them. Sure, think about that for a second. Harder for

us as a director to find the guys than to find the girls. And that's just making their day longer too, you know, it's just infinitely longer. Yeahs, And I'll repeat that, it's harder to find the guys and these girls. Okay, and you get any of them, Yeah, that makes sense, like most any good looking girl, you know, not that any girl can do it, but you know what I mean. If you've gotta bit China, you do this song as a lube and you're fine. Yeah, guys got to get hard, sure, sure, yeah, Shane,

I have two more questions. I don't want to interrupt you though. You got anything else for Gym tonight? Just our regular questions, but those are for females. Usually I normally ask all our female guests, Hey, you like getting pissed on? But I'll spare you. Jim is the the Are you the creator or were you just the director of the majority of the

Liquid Gold series? Liquid Gold what it was is I would shoot the girls like just because the back then, I'd just shoot whatever if they wanted to pee at film a p and Jeff Mike kept it seeing all this footage of the piss stuff, and he was doing on this mail order and people were asking, you have pea video, so he taking it, started taking his

clips from the BTS, and then it became a thing. When we shoot the jam Girl, they'd also film a p So yeah, I would shoot all that peace stuff, but usually it was like Jeff Mike, it was like a little part of if you were hired to be in a gun or mouth or whatever, pick your movie, I would chances are filming a pee because he wanted the pee thing. And we'd always try to do something funny

if we could. Sure. There was a period of time, and I don't know when, it was early two thousand somewhere when the piss videos were so popular. I remember Biddy Titty bedwetters. I used to do all these lesions. I used to do all these the pea Stone cops. I used to do all sorts of nothing but videos about pissing. You know, to be sex, but they always pee. I made tons of piss videos for a few years. It was just not stop. I think, Matt,

the first time you showed me a picture of Gage. It was her spreading and taking a piss out in the middle of a of a parking lot or something may have been yeah, real dirty quite recall. Yeah, Yeah, I used to shoot Gage a lot. I mean if I filmed for a p a lot. The first time I shot her, I did a scene where she's this guy's imagining She's in a room and she's imagining that this vagina

is a man's climbing out of her vagina or something. It was old babysitter scene and we had this huge fake prosthetic vagina made and I had a guy shoved himself through it, covered in the lube like he's coming through the vagina. So it was gauge. Ime was gauge? Did the scene? It was like or some ever shot? Yeah? David Cronenberg fan at all? What movies? He did the Fly video Drome? Okay, okay, So I got I got two more questions here for you. I notice you recently.

I've been looking at your recent releases. It seems like you shoot a lot of trans and buy stuff as well nowadays. Is that a preferences viewers? Do you like shooting that better? Is it that you see the trend is moving that way, And when did you first notice how? Because there was definitely a shift to make it become much more mainstream, right. I remember interviews with girls a while ago that wouldn't work with some guys who had

shot gay scenes or with trans performers or anything like that. And now it just seems like some of the biggest stars, you know, Anna Fox, who I love and I think is a superstar, you know, nominated I believe for shooting with transpers and it's become accepted and more of the mainstream. Is that just a trend you jumped on? Do you like shooting that type of work more now than other stuff? Or yeah? It's I think one note game. Why did I started doing Yeah, I did see its time,

so it was going I could see that was gonna something. Idn'think it was going to go as big as it did. And when I was given the opportunity by a friend of mine who'd been doing it, and it was like, because I tried it back in the nineties, I did it a very short period and yeah, it was one of those things that you could see it was starting to develop, and it's look at those are fun to

shoot, it's like a lot of this stuff. It's like right now, it's like that's a little bit shooting someone that says a little bit more like the Wild West bit where you have a little more freedom on what you can

do and stuff, and as pigeonholed as used to be. But even that's turning more and more mainstream now, sure, for sure, Yeah, I mean yeah, and it was natural and like the buying stuff just fell out once you started doing the trans You can get into that by world shooting and which has always been around porn, you know, and stuff goes back to the eighties real the old Switch Hitters and all those old lines and stuff and Buy and Beyond and stuff. Paul Norman. Yeah, Shane's dad had a

lot of those movies. I didn't. I was actually gonna say, yeah, like the tranny stuff has been popular with fucking my dad, Like chicks with dicks, that's what my dad always called them. Hey, my dad's been into that ship since the nineties at least. Yeah, well back then we were calling it. You it was still chick with dicks, but it was the she mails emails that's right, yes, but it was that's another one that changed so fast because of what you went and then you shifted into

the tranny and then trans was like overnights that fast as switched. It was kind of like switching to DVD. It was like was in a two year period, we went from doing you know, tranny prostitutes training, babysitters, menaja tranny, my, what's that? My World's best training or whatever? I would do America's Top tranny, tranny cheerleaders. They all those lines don't exist anymore. But it would turn it into my volume too with menaja trans which didn't rhyme as well. But yeah, that was a it was a

fast shift. Sure, yeah, sure. And do you do you shoot trans stuff any differently? Do you shoot it more like in a feminine way? Okay? No, okay, nope, one thing I saw in there, I know, I just do it the same way that you do anything like. I mean, it's just I don't shoot any different. I mean, obviously differences, you're doing something a little bit different, right sure, But as far as the stories or anything like that, yeah, I think

a little bit. Obviously you tune in to a different market, but I still shoot it the same way, gotcha. Yeah, still designed to titillate to whether whether you're shooting a lesbian scene, a BIA scene, trans scene, straight scene, anal scene, and gang bang scene. I mean they're

all different genres. I mean, like porn's weird, like if you're in it to make when you're working within it, there's all sorts of undercurrents, things that you probably don't notice outside of unless you're doing it, like all of a sudden everybody wants babysitters, or you go through the anal days, or like I said, the crazy gang bang. I mean, the best time, craziest time I thought porn was the late nineties. The late nineties early two thousands was just such a crazy era, I mean for everything,

just because everybody was trying to one up each other. I mean that was then era. Like you know, girls be shooting fire out of their ass and not making this up. That was one of the things that you would do. They would try to, you know, one up each other all the time. You know the mela, you know, the prolapsed ass or

the blasting pain out of the ass. We used to load up the dyed milk up their butts and do lines like anal felching the whole and all these lines where you'd be pass blasting and stuff, which isn't too common right now. But now with this whole sport thing, everyone's sporting scenes. Sure, like you know, sporting is really funny. But yeah, yeah, like it's gonna mainstream. You have a lot of things that don't obviously need to click, like free use that goes on a Diego and all these different little

things are going on all the time. But the part is kind of funny because it like stuff in the nineties, like I used to shoot a lot of black on black and you don't shoot I don't shoot a lot of that sure anymore. Yeah, you know, in the nineties, I was mostly what I did. Yeah, I went on all those names like me More Nasty Pool, Breeze Gee, Sweet Daddy J. And I would do all that heat weight stuff, like every movie that would come out, like Baby Boy, every make Baby Girl, Uh, you know, Drinking Hood,

Uh, you know Fridays, all those movies. You know you n in the movie I did a parody of it. Sure get your ass on the bus, you know that one. So I do every Spike Lee movie that came out. Okay, all right, Yeah, that's another thing that's kind of, you know, but I don't see anybody doing that anymore. You don't really see much as the black. It's all your racial it's got to be white girl, black guy, or you got the white guy black girl. Sure, a lot of just black on black as a sales state anymore.

I don't see it. I wonder if it has to do with demographics. I don't know, but I don't know. That's what Hardy has. Kurts that are always like you're you're doing like gang bangs will get real popular one year, everyone else gang bangs or blowbangs. Blow bangs are really in right now? Sure every blowbang? All right? One last question then I want to run through that list of girls. See what you remember what you don't? Uh? My question here is and I think I know one specifically,

but maybe not. Did you take any you were a prolific director who still are a prolific director? Did you take any female performers under your wing in terms of directing, in terms of teaching directing, or anything like that. Well, probably a girlvert because actually needs to work there the time. That's that's who I was thinking. Ashley Blue was the one that stands out to me. But I didn't know if there was anyone else, Like, did you have girls that would come in and shoot a scene but then also

ask you behind the camera questions or yeah, plenty of them. Remember when I was at Sinton City, we'd always have all those contract girls, like a lot of them, like would have movies and I would be there basically ghost director shooting the camera for him. You know, So, God, I did, Tory Lane, I did. What are their names? I forgot all the names, h Ror Snow, God, who are so many other ones? What was the one from New York? What her name? She did a big cream pie movie? She was real wilder, Like she

went to Europe and like seventy guys came in AUSS. I don't know, I'm thinking I was thinking of your fifty guy cream pie movie? Was Jennifer light Yeah, right right now? Yeah, I don't know the seventy guys in the ass one? Hmmm. I don't know. But I mean, were you were you willing to give that kind of you know, Okay,

sure, sure, sure? Because does anything I help them? I picture nowadays, you know, with the proliferation of OnlyFans and everything else, that there's so many girls who I mean the performers we talked to who are seem like they're primarily in front of the camera and know so much about behind it as well, because they're shooting it themselves, lighting scenes and all the shit. I paid forty grand to go to film school for. I should have

done porn. I should have just let people the seven guys in Europe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna shut my camera down here because I'm going to change the back. So this is my list of the top ten girls of the early ish two thousands, probably goes up to twenty ten. If you remember any stories about them, anything like that, recall how they were as a performer. I made sure to grab mostly girls who were out of the industry, just because you don't want to step on any

toes. Not looking for any negative stories, but if there is one and you're willing to say it, hey that's fine. Positive stories are good too. Number ten on my list was did that change? Oh? Really, I don't see anything. Yeah, Jalen Fox. Do you remember anything about Jalen? I also made sure to make to that you had directed them in scenes. Yeah. I shot her a few times, actually, a bunch

of times. I remember that Jalen. I think she was Sarka two thousand and nine ish ten, right, yep, Yeah, she was kind of the later towards the very ending of the Bocockis and stuff. She was on the last ones. I just remember because we used to do a bunch of stuff with Porno Dan with her where she did like a lot of the fucking fans. She did all that Porno Dan stuff. So I do remember. I remember her Jalen Fox. I god, I you know a lot of

this stuff. If you remind me of some movies and started talking to me a bunch of stuff and probably pop into my head. I really don't have anything good or that day. I just remember she was really good. You know, she was a wild you know, she was one of the classic she was doing Gocuin and whatever. She was a cot count. Okay, I'd have to look at the scene. What was this? Do you remember which one was six? I believe doing it. Do you remember what the

scenario was? No? I do a lot of comm I think she does she have goggles on. Maybe they all did. I don't know. We did different things all the time. I was always I was always jumping the shark we cooked the com We used to cook the comm This was discussed in the world cooking eighty loads of comedy. Don't that smells like because I had, Yeah, not pleasant, I'd assume. Let me say, I'm looking at this. So I do remember her as being really wild. I don't

have a medical scene. It looks I know. She was a very fun girl. Okay, okay, all right, fair enough. Number nine here I would consider probably my favorite dirty talker in terms of piggishness, and that's a compliment. It was Kelly Wells. Oh quite well, quite well.

I shot Kelly a bundle of times. Kelly was like, she just loved Okay, She's from the era when they it was a very lot choking and beating and slapping and you know, grabbing the heels, the face, bugging the anal just right, grab before porn collapsed, when it was just your red light. Everybody in the world was throwing on DVDs as fast as they could, like it was the end of the Roman Empire era. So I used to shoot Relox. She was like, I used to shoe camera for

Skeeter and she was one of his favorites. But yeah, I shot Kelly a zillion times she was great wild. Yeah, that that's and you'll notice a trend in my favoriteier. It's not this is not an insult. Obviously there are my top ten lists. Not a conventionally attractive face. Attractive is the wrong word there. You'll see by the time we get to number one, how do I say, let's stick with conventional convention not conventional looks.

But I really love girl really was you know there for their girls cut from that era, sure, but that's how they had to be in that area. You conform to whatever area you're in, for sure. And these are girls that would eat girls today alive. I get it. But that's because the era they're from. Sure. So, And look at the type of stuff. Tough Love the most brutal series ever made. Sure it was like basically rape, you know, if you think about it, that's what it

was. Number eight on my list here Taylor Rain, Yeah quite well. Taylor's funny. Taylor was buddies with Ashley, that was one of her best friends, and then Taylor started dating Ashley's old boyfriend, Trent. If you remember, after they broke up, Taylor was then dating him and everything she was she was hilarious Taylor was funny. She was She became a realtor, didn't she whatever happened to her. You know, I try and limit myself

from following it after the fact. That's when you for me personally, you're involved in the industry. If I start looking up real names and what they did after the fact that the border starts training order, no, no, no, not quite. I just remember the last I'd never heard of her, But Taylor was funny. That was one of Ashley's buddy so I must

have shot her thirty times. She was always on the set. She was always hanging out with Actually, she would just hang out set all the time, so she was always around us. She was cool, she was funny as fuck. This girl could tell stories. There you go. I do remember. I remember one time she was on the set because she was going to be doing a movie with It was either de Niro or Puccino. I figure which one it was. I go, really, go geody lines,

She goes, I only have forty lines of dialogue. You have forty lines of dialogue with Nero. So I don't know what movie this was, But anyway, that was I realized an interview. By the way, I actually interviewed her because she was in that movie. I think, do you remember Coxstar, Yeah, I believe. So. We would take these girls and we would interview them and just let them say the most ridiculous things. And we were trying to find the girls that were just like they were just ridiculous,

you know what I mean. She was one of them, Taylor was. It was funny. Next okay, next number seven, Kayla Marie. Yeah, I shot her. Uh that that seemed either like you don't remember her or you do. I don't. Cayla's an only one. She look a lot of times if you don't really remember the girls because they did their job. They were good. Fair really remember because a really big quldn't stand them, or they were really good. Fair Enough was always around. That's

why I totally remember Taylor Rain, Kayler Marae. I remember the face. We shot her a lot. She was a regular. Yeah, she was good. You know, I don't remember much about her. Gotcha fair Enough number six still in the industry, Gianna Michaels. I didn't shoot her that much. She was ridiculously popular though, and she was really good. She's still she's still around. She is I think she does a lot of uh more, the individual only fans and night flirt or tech whatever, those things

blew up fast and was literally was unbookable, like within a year. So I didn't shoot her a lot a couple of times. That was it because she got really really popular fast and it was just too hard to book her. I went maybe eight years ago, Gianna Michaels and Sophie d were feature dancing, and yeah they were feature dancing close to us. So my friend drove me about forty miles out or forty minutes out, and I got so

pissed drunk, I mean just embarrassingly drunk. The bartender was cute. She had this fucking what is it called Shane you hate it rock a billy look, and I just kept handing her twenties. Hey, give me another drink, give me another drinking, me another drink. By the end of the night. Now Sophie also appeared to be consuming something as well. Sophie was

a drinker. Sophie used to get covered. Yeah she would have been on this list, but I wanted to ask you more about the people that aren't because Sophie, I mean seems like she's really blown up even more, really well, she lives in Vegas. Like I said, she doesn't do foreign anymore, but she dances and does her own thing in our private work.

But she's doing really well as far as I do. So by the end of the night, I am there just pissed drunk at the bar, my head like this, and across from me is Sophie d doing the same exact thing, and we're both just I mean, face is melting, you know, and my friend is saying, hey, we gotta leave, we gotta leave. I said, hey, just a minute. We're looking at each other like apes who had never seen this species before, and we're just trying

to analyze is this something like me? Or is this in a different genus? And I had singles splayed out all over the bar, and she very drunkenly but professionally takes the bud light bucket she had and puts it next to the bar, slams it against it like kind of, and just takes all of my singles and loads them into her bucket and then lays face down on the bar. And I went time to go. When I turned around, the left, who's good. I actually got kicked out that night, so

I don't know what happened between that and leaving? But yes, that is my Sophi D's story. Uh all right, let's go to number five real quick where it was done. Girls. I'm not trying to hey, hey, hey, I heard you. I got it. I don't know what to do. There's a fucking camera here. What do you want from me? Ah? Fuck? You still see the name Paris slash Heather Gables. I remember she changed her name at one point when the parasite when things started

breaking bait. Yeah, she had a different name, did she when she was with the Extreme or whatever? They renamed her or something? Uh yeah, I think again. I think it went to Paris after that. Ye remember I heard all the time. I totally remember her. She's in fact, I spoke to her last year. I think somehow somebody was talking to her on the phone and they called him, hey, want to say hi to Heather. I forget who it was. It was male talent. Some

male talent on the set hunged out with her. She lives in Florida and put her on the phone with me and I actually ended her at eight am, like probably seven years ago or something. So she's still kind of around. She does step in Florida. I don't know what she does, okay, picture to Yeah, I don't trust me. The audience isn't going to see it anyway. It's just because I wanted to give you a visual representation of it. Who are you talking about here? Okay? She was one

of Ashley's buddies. She's from that whole Arab girl vert and we used to shoot her all the time. She was a regular. Okay, number four. Let me see if I can move Tiffany Holiday or she had a boyfriend or something. I remember. I can't see what I shot her when I shoot her in Oh, let's see Gag Factor seventeen, the Babysitter twenty or sure the same. But yeah, I remember Tiffany Holiday. It's another one. I remember. She's from the era I shot her as some boyfriend or

somebody, some boyfriend or something buddy I knew she was dating. That's all I remember about her. She I think had my favorite and again, who gives a ship? My favorite nipples of all time personally and ariola. There you go. That's all a little fun fact about me. I thought on your fucking tombs. Yeah yeah, number three on my list. Gauge obviously, We've talked about her before, Gauge in fact, Great Gauge, we guy in the business. She had a boyfriend named Mojo. Obviously they broke

up or whatever, but Gage was a character. She was like, this Southern girl is just wild. She was like the queen of scorting and pissing and everything, wasn't she? She was up there? Yeah, she told us on the podcast, actually the first time she had ever told it, I guess publicly. She told us at least how she got her name, and it was when she was dancing and got some I don't know, some shit kicking hill billy in Arkansas or somewhere said, damn you like a twelve

Gage shotgun and she said, there's my name. Gage jumped up on the stage. There it was. Your boyfriend was Mojo Gage in Morojo. That's how I love The first time. Number two again, not a lot of scenes, so you may not know where as well. It was Cammy Andrews. Oh my god, I shot Cammy Andrews a zillion time, did you Andrews? Because you just have the stuff my name I used to shoot under a bunch of different names back thinks, look at Jim. They didn't want

to loot the market in those days of this different world. So each company I shopped for I had a different director. Nay I shopped for I was stive, stive baters or stive gators. I called myself my shop for coast to coast or stive baters with dead boys. There was the New Church anyway. That's who I was over there. And I used to shoot her like I do everybody names like Ip Freely and stuff. She used to do a

lot of pea videos and stuff. So I used to shoot her for film Coat a lot in a lot of these other companies I shot came as zillion times. I just loved how again beautiful but unconventional and just dirty. I mean, you know, he was great, really good. Her best friend was I think it was? Was it her Riquel Divine buddies, can't I think herm ri Keel Divine kind of came in together. I don't Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. It's weird. I don't know her

hmm, yeah, I don't know. I know a lot about that era, but you know, with the things I don't, I guess I don't. So let me ask you. Seeing the people I've gone through seeing what we've talked about. Who do you think the number one is if you were to just guess Ashley Blue now not Ashley Blue, oh, then Tory Lane or Snow Gia Paloma. Oh my god, I know her quite well. Yeah, yeah, I if we are able to get Gia Paloma on the

show, it'll be the last episode that that she was directing. You know, I was shooting camera for like two years, remember before COVID, and she's got kids and everything, and she's married and she's just completely left all for her. She had nothing to do. But I when the first time I shot Ga, I show remember her he for scenes. She was still working at Starbucks, and I think she came on the office. We shown her a gag Factor and then she came by to visit. I said,

Hey, you were doing a p cocky layer that night. You want to stop by the said see what it's like. So whatever, whoever was driving around agent or whatever, she came by the Cocky and then we would shoot her all the time she was and she's like on the cover of Fuck Pig and everything. Gia Ploma is a filthy, fucking pig and all these all these different lines. Yeah, she was. She's a what was it, wink like a pig or what was that lion? We used to do squeal

like a pig. And yeah, Geo was a rego. She's she liked getting monkey punched, you know, donkey punch. That's that's what I was gonna say. I think you were the first one to have that on film, right, I think I was. I look at somebody had done it, but like Jeff Mike would see this ship goes, you need to do this. So yeah, it was ga Plow it's in. I think I got her mouth right, got her mouth shirty. I think some guy named Alex maybe Alex Sanders was so good at the tough loves and all that stuff.

Yeah, back in those days. And yeah, Gia Paloma she was great. I'm that's another one my one of my favorite scenes. I shot her in a Filthy Things number is it one? I think Filthy Things number one. I shoot her in a fraternity house and there's literally a hundred drunken

eyes. You watch the scene all around the thing and they're on the table and Dave Hardman is fucking wearing a mask and we're taking this giant plexiglass tube because they were like to put to stick up her and they're shoving it up her and everything and it's it's in. Yeah, she's in a lot of those old She's the cover and mouth Take a look at the cover of mouth Be one. Google it right now the cover. Oh yeah, I am there. Yep, yeah, yeah, yeah, that was our mouth beat

too. She's the number two. Maybe she's mouth be too, her mouth beat too powers Bill, Yeah, number two. I can't give yeah. Yeah, and that's what I was going to ask you. That was with the the I can't I can't show it because this is gonna eventually go on YouTube. But you got the monster eyes and the big eye lashes and the punk hair, the real it's uh, that was too. Does that go to some of your creativity in terms of you when you wanted to do weird

looking stuff. Yeah. She's kept on a chain because she's a wild animal, and they bring her the room. She's snipping everybody like a like a dog, and then we pur loose on them and she blows like when I had like forty guys or something, I don't this is the number on the cover, sure of eight girls, fifty two cocks. Yes, yeah, Well she probably, but she had the line and share. Some are one on ones or whatever. But that's during that arable. We needed all those

numbers. You see what There was tons of this work they do, but cockey they'd come to a mountain, they'd get a blow blow bang. We actually we never did the blowbangs. We did do a blow bang. It was a dual iced to do the suck off challenge. Yeah, yeah, I like that. I like those. Yeah yeah, we do the suck off challenges in those days. I never really need to blow bangs or either gang bangings or I guess that is a blowbang, but you know it's a

funny mouthing. I didn't even think about that. It's just a blowbang, isn't it. But we didn't call it back then. Yeah, more things change, the more they stay the same, Right. I got people all the time. I'll say things to me and said, oh, we need to do this. I'm like Jesus, I shot that nineteen ninety four, you know what I mean. It's like like, you know, like I don't even reverse g anywaycause the first time I shot one like that, who was it? I think Rocco and Freddy I did it with like ten Girls

in ninety three Jerry Pike, Remember that guy? I did him in a Ferrari dealership or Porsche dealership, doing like twelve girls back ninety fourish by to the same period. A. Yeah, one more and then we can wrap up. Only because I notice her here on this and it always makes me sad. How well did you know Haley Page? Am I at the Blonde? No, she was married to Chico Wang. I knew her very well, did you. Yeah, I shot her. We'll take the look.

She's on the cover Filthy Things number one. Yep. I used to shoot her all the time, and she was very She's a good girl. We tried a bunch and she got caught up with Chico. And you're not supposed to talk about that about the dead people, but she was a deck It wasn't I did not like she. Yeah, well, I mean you turned out to be right on that one. I think that's fair. Yeah all right, Well, thank you for indulging me on all of that, Jim. Anytime I talk to any of these new girls that we interview, I

go like, so, who are your favorites? And they go, you know this person, this person. I want one girl to go man, nobody fucked like Kelly Wells and be like, yeah, yeah, you know what I'm talking about. But that was that era though. Look at the girls you just brought up, like it's everybody like every era kind of it's

different, but that was that era. We're coming right out of that crazy era of everyone hopping each other into this into that era that they were like these superstars a fuck and they took it as a badge of honor that they would literally fuck the shit out of the guy and show up and destroy them.

And that's what these girls were like. That's why I call it the Golden Era personally, really really and everybody was shooting in so much and stuff that's going, you know, it was just it was right, you know, especially as the ones you're showing me there, Ga, Kelly, because you basically brought ten girls from the same era. Sure. Oh yeah, well, and I think I mean that was when Shane and I were fifteen to twenty five, you know. And I go back and I look at

the first porn DVD I ever bought. It was fucked me whatever, I'm blanking on it now, But I went back and I looked at it the other day and I went, oh, those are like all of my favorite girls, like some of the Elisa Sparks and Andy Cruz, Gia Paloma. Well, I'm surprised you don't have like Hannah Harper in there, and who else or some other ones. Tory Lane. I like Tori, but you know what, to me, I know, it sounds weird and this is

probably gonna be really insulting to my wife because I think she's beautiful. But I really like that unconventional face. And yeah, I trust Miami. I like Tory Lane too, but it's more those are more like a little symmetrical. You look at Giapaloma and it's like, I don't know, this is insulting to say. It feels a little more attainable than more of like the bimbofied you know, girls of today and stuff like that. I don't know, whatever, let's pretty bimbo fire in that picture. Oh yeah, no,

and that was I think that was later. She got the implants and stuff like that at the ending. Take a look at her early stuff. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, no, I you know, I've seen I've seen plenty of it. Like I said, look at watch the scene. It's here filtering things one or two. It might be number two. Watch that scene with Gia Paloma. I promise you I've seen it, Jim. I guarantee you I've seen it. He's seen it. Ladies and gentlemen, tonight we had with us mister Jim Powers. Prolific director. I would

say he's worked with everyone that I've ever loved in my life. You can find him on Twitter at Jim Powers xxx and uh, you know, check the episode description below for links to everything. In fact, I'll put a little thing on there for what is it, Kilroy? Yeah, yeah, there you go. There you go. There's your links. Jim. Thank you very much for coming on with us tonight. Cool. You guys, have a good night for your worst friend. I'm Matt, I'm Shane.

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