You're listening to your worst friend Going Deeper. You're listening to your worst friend with Shane and Matt Going Deeper, Season four. I'm Matt. I'm joined today by my friend and co host Shane. Hello, and today we are joined by a guest that I reached out to personally. Had no idea that our PR agent actually I don't know if she even knows this story. I emailed her personally because I am such a huge fan of hers, and she forwarded the message to the greatest PR agent in the world, Erica, and
said, these guys legit like they're using your name. Blah blah blah. She wasn't even mean about it or anything like make sure not to put me on the scumbag show. But ladies and gentlemen, today we have with us Chase sites. You can find Shay on Twitter at at shay Underscore sites on Instagram at Shay Site's official and her only fans go there. Pay for it, however you're gonna do. If she sells pay per view stuff, which we'll get into, make sure you pay for that. If she just sells
the monthly subscription, make sure you pay for that. We're gonna break in we're gonna go through her like business process. I'm like, nervous. This is weird. You're nervous. Here's why I've interstruck. We've interviewed some of the biggest names this and that you are from. We'll get into it, Shay. But that's a nice way to put it, and I would have even tried to put it even nicer. But you're from what I consider the
golden age. Now, the golden age for every guy is when they were big, when around the time you were sixteen seventeen, Right makes sense. Okay, let me go through the blugs only fans at shay underscore sites. Make sure you go to our website and follow us everywhere at your worst and dot com and at worst friend cast everywhere. Shane your plugs. Oh yeah, you can check out my wife's only fans at Goddamn x X, Goddamn gah d a m N or go to many Bits and check out Kiki Filipina
XO. Okay, now that I'm done bumbling through that, she literally is going to go scream at Erica now and like these guys have no fucking idea what they're doing. I can also go deeper with you guys. Oh well, I personally can't go very deep, but I'll go deep as as far as I can. Um. I was waiting too be able to like play off that, but then I got like eight thousand plugs after and I'm like, I remember this, please remember this place. It's a good joke.
The plugs just kept going deeper and deeper and deeper. Or what were the names we originally ran through uncut? I mean all the hack ones after dark uncut and then going deeper to me just sounded like I didn't see it anywhere else. Let's run with it. And our show name Your Worst Friend literally comes from the first episode where I just go, You're just the worst friend I have, Shane. This is terrible. And then now we're downloaded in
over one hundred countries. That's a real problem with creating content. You have to make sure at last the amount of time you know that you're going to be around. So how did you initially get the name shay sites? Hold on, bear with me, of course, but a battery pack honk, because I just got an alert that I know. That's totally fine, A little low alright, So hold on, no, you're good watching a porn star Amoult task here all right, very usually the best at it. Yes,
they are exactly. Yeah, ski pole type stuff. I did a lot of skiing in my younger days. Sure me too. You know, Oh you actually done skiing. I think we'll get into that. Yeah, yeah, I know, I have not. I mean, you know, both ways, Sure, all the way ski poles, totally understand. I just packed a lot of snow in my nose. Um, all right, So how did you pick the name shay Sites to start with? Oh? Yes, thank you for circling back around. Sure. So I grew up
in Vancouver, Canada. I want to say it was fifth grade my dad. I grew up with my father only child, and he used to come down to Los Angeles where I now live and visit a college friend every year in like September, and we would always do the same trip. Who was a big wine person, and we would drive through Napa back in the day when if anyone drinks wine, silver oak was twenty five dollars a bottle, not seventy. I was a little one, and I used to like two
or through there, and that's I think probably totally acceptable now. But um, through the redwood forest at the husband pancakes all the way down to his friend's house. They had a couple of kids. One was around my age, and I used to go to school with her and thought it was the coolest thing ever because everyone was a surfer and you know, very la from Canada. It's like, Vancouver's a cool town. It's beautiful, but it's not Los Angeles. Right, So the hot popular cool guy was Shase Sites.
But I'm sure it was like Si E t Z or something. But of course here's this like little girl from Canada going oh, Shase Sites and so fast forwards. I don't know. When I started stripping in Canada, I was like nineteen twenty drinking age if there's nineteen. So I was like, I need a name, and that like literally just popped into my head. Shase Sites. There you go. I mean, that's that's that's. I like that. You you like androgenized it, you know, like I
did. I would have never a lot and stuff. So I mean maybe you know so to shame. Yeah, so your initial wait, let's go back to that or you go back to it. Yeah, let's circle back around there. Okay, sure, I mean I'm willing, but I'm more of a like a like a coach. You know, I really like to be an observer. Um yeah, I love watching too. I'm super voyeuristic. Yeah today that's the word. I'm voyeuristic. So you know, like if my wife was going to peg Matt or something, I'd be totally down
to watch that. Yeah. I'm as vanilla as could be. I've had two serious girlfriends in my life. I was lucky enough to meet my wife at twenty years old and I am thirty five. Now. We are very happy and she's never pegged me once. That is not because I have any kind of problem with it whatsoever. I don't know. It's a personal preference. You know what truthful do You don't want to know what it was, not that you asked anyone. But here, let me go on a little
rant here. Yea, I am uncomfortable with my looks, my body, everything like that, So I can just imagine. Here's what I do. I always when I'm around my wife. Oh man, this is why are we going deeper on me. I'm around my wife as long as we've been together. I never want to give a gross impression of myself because I don't
have that peg. Then unless you've literally been trained by a porn star or someone know, and everybody listening to this seriously, you have to either just be okay to go fuck it, I had a poop on someone, or prep like we do. There's like no in between, because in between is like, oh god, what if I should on someone? Yeah? See I can't. I can't have the thought of her waking up one day going oh my god, remember that time he shit on my dick. I have
to leave him now, you know. And and I've had whereas we're like at some point somewhere everyone has had some weird shit happen and none of us care. See that's fair enough part of the pars. Yeah, uh so you did, Like I was saying, no longer sax you to like fifty percent of my found base now and you are so much exire to the other fifty That's exactly what I was thinking the other fifty year now, going to sign up and go, oh my god, does she do shit stuff?
Yeah, get over a glass table and let me really watch it, so that that I don't I actually don't do that. Okay. Well that that leads us into a question. We uh, since day one have come up with this little acronym and uh it is sack sak. When we started doing the show, we would ask performers what is something no amount of money could get you to do? And inevitably one of them would say, like, well, I wouldn't fuck a dog, or like I wouldn't fuck a kid.
Hey, we know, uh, we know that, we understand that. So shit, animals, kids are the three things. We go, Hey, we understand that's not on your list. Is there anything on your list that you're just not interested in doing? Either for end the amount of money, even if the performers are great and everything else. Is there an act? Is there a fetish? Is there a type of scene anything like that where you go and that's not shayites. Shaye doesn't want to do that.
She speaks in the third person sometimes, and Shay is not interested in doing your scene. It's hard when you say any amount of money because because it's it's not realistic, because there's no director that's going to go, oh, hey, like whatever that damning Moore movie was, I'll give you a million dollars to accent proposal. Yeah, and you sit there and go I could probably, like, you know, have a few nice shots of tequila
and like wrap my brain around it for a minute. For that everybody thinks maybe right with whatever the thing is, I don't know that anything we're talking about whatever, get that amount thrown at them. But if we're talking hypothetically, I used to do a lot of fetish and kink before I even did porn actually, and I described to the place where I was like, I don't I don't really like being submissive and more of a dom if I'm going
to do anything. But I also don't really like hurting anyone, Like I don't want to beat the shit out of someone and make them bleed and get into like you know, medical mutation. And again no judgment, but like I'm not gonna like kill boss at your fucking dick, Like I just it's not my jam. Sure, I understand that I watched you grab yours just to look you real like on the inside kind of like, hey, yeah,
well we have watched on our comedy show. We've watched plenty of sounding videos and that's just I think Shane and I can confidently say, as openly sexual as we are, it ain't for us. That's not my thing. Yeah, And like hanging um like really really heavy, like I don't know have mutation is the word for it, but like when people have like things like hooks in their back and they're mortification mutilation, yeah yeah yeah, So for me, like could I do that to someone? I'm super empathic as
much as I'm like super deviant and like, I have a side. I'm like extremely spiritually centered and very loving, but I'm also like, you know, the horns come out and I'm like fuck yeah. So, but but I can't. I don't want to hurt people, especially at this point in my life, more so when I was younger, not so much that stuff, but I could have wrapped my brain around a little bit heavier domination. But I don't. I don't. I can't hurt people. Okay, so
what you now? That being said, I did fuck, I did fucking double fist Michael Vegas the other day and do a crazy pegging scene. However, he was like, oh my god, yeah I loved it, and I was like, oh my god, I can't believe I'm fucking doing this right now. Um So, if somebody's into it and they're open and fun, I will absolutely put having fun. I'll push the envelope. But I
can't hurt people. Sure. I guess the fear would be if you were doing something like that that halfway through someone like them, I don't like that, and then you would then feel like, ah, shit, maybe I fucked up. Maybe I did something like that. That's not your thing, because anyone can be open to anything, you know, Like I said, with the sounding stuff, yea, the sounding stuff is the most horrendous thing
in the world to me. If you like it, God bless you, or whoever bless you, it terrifies me because I can just picture it ripping something on the inside, or it's just scary scary to me. Yeah, for me, it's like not even I don't even I don't even want to start, because it's not like oh, it just gets to the point where they say no for me because I am so energy sensitive and I like feel
people's things, so so I'm good with passionate domination. Like I'm like, if someone's like fuck yeah, like you know, smacks the shit out of my ass, or I'll be like, okay, choke me. But when someone's like, punch me in the fucking face till I bleed. Um. I I don't know how to say this without sounding judge because I'm not like, I think everyone needs whatever they need or the therapy that they need from
that. I think I've had a good word earlier, empathic. Right, Yeah, so you're going to feel that, You're going to feel that, you're going to feel. I'm going to feel why do you want to bleed? I'm going to feel why do you want to be hurt that deeply? And even if it is therapy for you, which I think it is, probably a lot of people are working through different things, however they choose to do that, that's just something I can't be around because it's just too it's
too intense for me. Which and you know, like you'd say, while you know, you're you know, double fisting a guy or you're getting DPT or whatever, and that's not intense. And I get the argument. But my stuff that I do feels okay within me, which was you know, sort of the basis of your whole question. Right, Sure, everybody has boundaries. Yeah, Now here's where I throw Shane under the bus. He's somewhat of a skeptic here on a lot of like cool stuff that I'm interested
in. I have read you are very much into energy and energy healing and stuff like that. How does that play into any kind of scenes you choose to take, or how's that played into your career? Have you? Have you ever been like, man, I think I'm going to take that scene and then something just kind of an intuition hits you and you're or I don't know, I don't know. Explain the energy thing to me. Don't do a lot of that with the so, like you know, I'm gonna go
a little woo woo on you please. Um. So it's chakra system, right, And it's interesting because mathematically sound correlates right to mathematics. Do you guys know that? Right? Like? Right? So the chakras also correlates to sound, and there's seven of them, and they correlate to the musical scale. It's cdf, G A BC, So there's seven, right, And same thing like you hit a tuning for you try to tune your guitar violin, you'll also tune a chakra just like one starts vibrating and the other
one beside, it'll start vibrating. Our bodies do that as well. I'm trying to be I'm not super scientific, but I'm trying to articulate what I know. So see it is the most important thing. Yeah, sure, yeah, so that's the science part of it is, like we'd all vibrate in a different place, right, So sorry, I'm getting all these alerts here. So I don't necessarily go into a scene going, oh, I'm
going to open up and be all empathic and do this thing. Like I go into a scene usually and go, oh, okay, this is go time. I'm gonna go find Shay and I usually go and I go and I'm like fuck, yeah, right, okay. But when I do energy healing, I'm more like, oh, like, you don't want to shoot a porn scene like that. I mean, maybe you would do like a tan like that, but I just don't. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I don't. Really, I don't blend them. They're not I don't.
I mean, I'm not saying they're not blendable. Um not the stuff I've shot thus far. Maybe some of the new stuff. I'm doing this a little more nurtury, like the family taboo stuff's a little more like lobbing. But but I still don't. Um, I don't really criss cross those like when I do healing work that that's when I do that stuff. Sure, so you don't bring it to set with you, but has it ever influenced I am and see me everywhere I go, and usually I'm in the makeup
chair and people go while you're so zen but vibrating really hard. Yeah, so are you? Um, I'm like go ahead, sorry, yeah, So I don't. I don't really I don't really try to integrate them because I don't really know that like, um, you know, pick your audience right, and also pick your your own way of living your life like it's not it's fluid, like you know, I'm not. I'm not gonna. I don't think the people that want to watch my scenes want to see the
facet in me. That's all like, oh, because it's you know. And and when I shoot porn, it's a cool outlet because we do have seven chakras and so third, fourth, fifth, sixth, seventh, those are sort of the more ethereal ones, but we also have lower ones and we're in a body and and so those are more sexual and and I do other things other than porn, So I have a pretty good balance of when
I do what. Sure, you know totally makes sense. You did say something interesting though, you don't know if your people would necessarily want you to bring that and if you did want to cross those lines, that's I totally understand and respect that too. But the thing that's so fun about porn is it's so niche, niche, niche whatever. You would find people that would like that if you ever decided to, well, that's actually people do need
healing, absolutely. I think a lot of people turn to porn for it. And I've recently started doing some asmar work and I have like I've never been the girl that can get two dicks in her ass, but I mean I can. I can get one. I get one if I prep really
well with a butt plug, like I can solidly do one. But I feel like I'm I mean, my two things are talking, like I can just fucking diarrhea of the mouth like that means I've never heard anyone put it sexier though in porn though, By the way, my name is Chasites. I can just talk and gaze at you with my beautiful eyes. Have you ever heard of diarrhea of the mouth, because yeah, I have diarrhea just listening hardest, No, But I do, Like I mean, I can
talk and talk and talk and I love it, like I love. I love talking and blow jobs like I can throw away. Yeah, those are my two things. And so that being said, because I do talk so much, I started doing some ASMR and I do think that that's an outlet that's kind of cool because it's not sexual Olympics, Like you're not trying to like be too active, and it's more of the nurturing milfie like stuff. But it's also like this kind of like making sounds and talking slowly and it's
about that like tingly stimulating things. So I've been having fun with that stuff. Sure are there any all right? So you again, like I said, vintage, you got into it? What in what I consider our golden age around the Shane and I both graduated from high school in two thousand and six. I think we probably bonded over our love of porn, which was weird, really weird. Well, yeah, because remember I'm mister Kelly's history class and right, yeah, we use how much we love Miko Lee.
Yeah we would be like saying, yeah she knows, yeah yeah Miko Lee. Um, So you got how has the industry changed since then to now? Because I've heard both ways. I've heard it's much more progressive more positive
now, like it is better for women on set nowadays. Like and we're talking about mainstream obviously, you talk about the inclusion of the different streams of revenue you can bring in through many different sources now, but let's just talk about it's like what they are we talking about, right, Like when you talk about the good old days with anything, Like I don't know, I'm gonna throw this out there, right Like, I mean, I might say
this and everyone's like, what the fuck are you talking about? But it's like, you know, I would go and my dad had several jobs, and I would go and like sit in a bar with him when I was younger in some little country town and like nobody cared right and if you stayed there and out and whatever, and I would just sort of sit there and like, you know, he wasn't hammered, but things were a little more
acceptable. And I think that and I just think that we were sort of allowed to like go figure our life out and go you know, you know, you just came home when it got dark, and the parents sort of trusted you a little more. And you guys are obviously younger than me, but that's sort of the way it was it was a little bit more of like the wild Wild West and Horn when I shoot with directors now that I used to shoot with back then, where like Fox do you remember when?
So it was cool in a sense of it was just really open and free and not so constricted as far and it was the golden age like there were. It was just different, like we shot big features. You went to set, and it was cool in a lot of ways. Now there's a lot more compliance, a lot more hr Like you sit there, you do a video check, you check what's okay, what's not okay. And I never had an issue, but I've heard that a lot of things through the
years have happened. So it's probably a really positive thing, right that you sit and go over what you're okay with and what you're not okay with, and that that there is absolutely no way any kind of rape type thing can be misconstrued as being okay, right. You know, I've heard a lot of things as far as people kind of running with that and taking advantage of it. But I've also heard of a lot of girls being put into a safe place. And you know, there's a lot of a lot of arguments
for everything that's been said, I have no issue doing it. So that's how things have changed, and it probably protects women and man like, it probably protects everybody obviously, right, So that's a lot different. Like I came and I'm like, what is this? And obviously the family taboo,
like it's huge now and I'm like, what the fuck is this? Like I left in the heyday of things, in my opinion, and it was like I came back and we were just all peeing on each other, and now you can't pee on each other, but we're all like fucking our step family. So and I'm like, I mean it's I was like, literally, what is this? Why are we all fucking our family on set? But I blamed morals have shifted in that sense. Sure, yeah, yeah, So there's a lot of different stuff. I don't know, I mean,
is it better or worse? Like it's where I'm at now, and it just is I love the people. I think that the most amazing, unconditionally loving, open beings. Of course, there's people that you know are well integrated and not so well integrated in their lives, in any industry, in anything you'll find in life. So sure there's a little bit of that and you know, we have had some people through the years that have had have struggled. But I think that's everywhere. I think it's amplified. It's
it's when it's imporn, the media wants to focus on it. You know, you already have a target on you. Yeah, you're doing this because X y Z eight you. Yeah, we're all fucked up. We were all abused, blah blah. You know, like, I came from a pretty awesome family and I'm sorry, I'm now I'm talking about family, which I'm going to talk about it. You're more than welcome to. Yeah. No, I came from a great family and I was really supported, and I mean it's not they were like fuck yeah, goo to your corn.
Of course, you know there's some disappointment, but it was never like my doors shut and you know, I'm not going to support you. It was like, you know, normal concern for a parent from a parent. But um yeah. So I just I think that I think there's good and bad. It's the boring answer, like I don't have an opinion on that. I think that I sort of missed the camping thing. That's when I went
off to start my own stuff and do other things. And I came back and it was huge, and that's what kind of moved us all into content creation. And I think it's amazing that women and men, that everybody can create their own content now kind of a big deal, and it is It does kind of take the power away from the monopoly of the big companies and spread things out, which I think is great. And you know what, it kind of gives power obviously to the performer, but also to the good
mainstream companies. So you know, if you know that you're going to have a tougher time finding girls because they're making so much more on their only fans, you then have to be able to you know, you're not going to get a lot of scenes. Well you will, but it will mostly be like newer girls getting in the industry, but you're not going to get big name stars shooting in like a dingy set with like shitty cameras. And this incentivize them, right, you have to you have to say, hey,
I understand you're making so much more. Here's the benefit I can provide to you. So it almost sounds like the Golden Age, like we talk about. I would kind of make the comparison to it kind of feels like the wild West. In this sense, the wild West seems like a lot of fun. You just don't want to be one of the people that get shot in the back. But like, you know, those people that got shot in the back are people who went through bad experiences and whatever, and you
know, sorry that happened to them. It is a bad experience. But we have no I mean literally, it was like, I mean I was like, yeah, what is all this hr stuff now? I mean it was just so everything was kind of like I don't know, I actually don't even know what I'm really allowed to say. So I'm just not going to say things. I don't want to be like, hey, I we used to do this and that, and I'm like we used to sign our contracts
in blood. Yeah yeah. But I mean, like I I have very good boundaries, and I was I mean, I'm not like anyone that looks back on that and goes or that could have been a lawsuit or anything. It just what kind of was what it was. I was actually on set with one of the old School directors a while ago and we were laughing we use like number back in the nineties one, like everything was peeing and now It's funny is you can't pee. You can squirt, you pe and call
it squirt, but you cannot pee. That's like where they draw the line when you can fuck your whole family. If it's step no, or we can't be right we're talking like main like the big name name sites, right, or we're talking about that or like king sites, you can still shoot Shane's favorite question. Shane ask your question. I mean, do you like pee? I don't know. Okay, I sure do like it. I mean I will pee on you all day long. I just don't want to
be peed on. Oh yeah, yeah, I don't mind be on someone. But again, back to my thing about peeing, Like as long as the person that's not hurting someone, Like if someone's like, fuck, yeah, pe on me, I can get into that because I feed off energy, sure, but do I don't want to have someone piss on me. I'm like, it's kind of like my nipples. I'm like, I don't know, man, Like it's not super sensitive. It hurts if you pull out on too hard. Like there's other parts of my body i'd like touched
more than my nipples. So that's kind of how I feel about peak. But I will I will totally. I'm like, I'm a whole fucking peel over someone and done a ton of it. But my point was like back in the day, everything Penthouse, like everything, oh I remember, remember, Yeah, every time every time I one of my step yeah, all the centerfold girl would always like be spread eagle taking like a huge piss and that for no reason. You're like, what's the story. There's no story,
She's just pissing. And so I was taught was on set and I'm like, I'm like, remember when, right, So there's a lot of that. Remember when? And he's like yeah, and he's like and I'm like, we shot it was called Big Boob Lesbian Cops. I shot with Keana de Or. We're laughing our asses off because I was like, there's no fucking way we could ever shoot that because we were these drunken cops and
I was like fake drinking. And then she's like, you're a drunk cop and I'm like, wait, you're drunk too, for no reason, and then we do this like girl girl lesbian cop scene and then we both like he's like and then you guys like pissed off the edge of the desk for no reason, and I'm like, yeah, I think we did, and so you know that happened back then, and we're sitting here and going, yeah, and you can't pee now, but there's all these other things you
can do, right, So I just am kind of waiting for the next wave of like, Okay, now you can't fuck your family and your step family anymore, but now you can do this, right. So what you seem pretty intelligent with this stuff? What is the next wave? That's a question I've been asking too. Okay, I've been asking about this wave, like I because I was gone for ten years, and I'm like, what
the fuck is this wave? Like I'm fairly business davvy, like I have businesses and I try to understand like things like algorithms and trends and stuff, and I'm like, where did that come from? But it has to be because it's selling. So like, do I know what the next thing to sell is? I don't know, but I can tell you there's a fucking way. I thought, you know, in two thousand and six, when you guys were jacking off to me, and let's say college, can we
stay college? Because high school is weird? I didn't go. I was eighteen in high school. But yeah, sure, that's fine. I missed the birthday cut off. I'm not stupid. I mean I am stupid both when you guys were eighteen and jacking off to me, that's correct, Yes whenever that was Uh yeah, I mean I feel I don't know. I feel like I don't know. I feel like I don't know. I don't know what the next thing is. I just don't. Yeah, and look, if the three of us knew what the next thing was, we'd be
billionaires at this point, like because we'd start prepping it. Not at this point, probably five years from now, start prepping it, figuring it out, how to get into the algorithm. I don't know that anybody knows. And I think it really depends on where the culture goes. I think he's going to make a comeback, makes it come back. But you know what, you can hope all you want. But the issue is we're not allowed
to be now. But you say not allowed. Are you talking mainstream then, because it seems like it seems like the influence of mainstream is really being leveled out by all the independent content. Yeah. I post myself on Twitter all the time. Oh do you see pissing on Twitter constantly. I can't. There's no p on only fans. Oh okay, I didn't know that one. Only squirt, which is most of the time I don't, I
actually squirt, but I don't like like I mean, I'm not. I'm like someone fingers me and there's some squirt that comes out and it's actually like a clear fluid. So I don't. I'm not familiar with like I could test it. It's all the same. But I mean, do they allow hiss on many vents, yes, but you can't consume it. That's the
thing. It's like they they have that one stipulation where you can have you can show people peeing and it can say pee, but if they if you imply or or show like consumption like a human being swallowing it, that's not allowed on someone's face, which is that was a huge one. Do you remember that though, like laying down, like pissing in someone's mouth? What is it? Do you have a term for it? Guess what? Oh? I was muted? Sorry, piss boarding like waterboarding boarding? Oh my
god, I just spat that. I can't believe you didn't hear that. So then maybe you're right, Maybe that's not the next trend because I wasn't aware of, you know, all the limitations they put on. So you're right, man, So then where do we go? I sure hope it's not farts. Yeah, that's not my thing. That's so it is a thing though, because I wanted to do yeah, this is actually, this is yeah, this is gonna. I know, I feel like I'm very maybe a little bit reserved and a little bit of a dry sense of humor.
But so I showed up. This was a long time ago. I showed up too, because I did a lot of fetish as I was getting into foreign I showed up for a face sitting video and I just randomly had a fart machine with me because I thought it'd be really funny, like as like Keana was sitting on someone's face to be like hit the fart button so um, and they're like, that's fucking great, we should use that.
So we did this fake farty and it was like this best seller. Oh okay, wow, yeah, so you use the farm machine on set? Why not just put them in? They had the fart machine while we were face sitting. They would press the buttons and then we'd have to be like, oh, yeah, take that fucking fart. Okay, you know how hard it is to not laugh? No, I know, I couldn't. I couldn't do it now, Like for me, I brought that things. I thought it was funny and then they're like and I'm like, oh,
yeah, it was really difficult. Here you go be sexy about Oh my god, Tonya Danielle, Keana and I and Tony was like, I mean she was fucking full throttle. She was awesome. I had so many beans for Lyne to take that fucking bart and I was like, um, yeah, I've done. You've done a lot of scenes with Keana Dior, right, is she one of your better friends in the industry. Yeah, well, we came from Canada together, so that year attacking older stuff we started.
We done a ton of stuff earlier on, but we haven't done a lot lately. We've done a couple of things for our only fans. Okay, all right, yeah, I'm a big fan of hers. Um it's so rad. Yeah, yeah, I mean that was just that was my era. The first interview we ever did, actually, well, first interview we did was with Dan Dan Ferrari and Suzanne Ferrari, who are great,
they run slood inspection dot com. But the first like Hornstar porn star interview we did, which is blows my fucking mind that we were able to get her as our first one was the first one Gauge Do you remember gauge back? She talk about sporting gauge man. Yeah, she's a little spinner. Yeah. And it's funny. I'm in contact with all these people from that era and I just can't convince them to go over the hump and come on, like Lisa Sparks is one, and you know again I do. I
think that was the golden era. It was when the Internet was becoming really more prevalent, you know, they were able to push stuff out, more content. Was that business wise? Am I right in calling that the Golden era? Like obviously now is very good as well, and it puts more
power in her hands. But up up until that point was that just as there wasn't everybody creating content, there was Like it was when they say the Golden Era, it's always like remember when, So I think what people mean is remember when, and no disrespect to someone with the lab but it's like people say, remember when porn stars were porn stars and it's not that they aren't now because certainly when you go to Avien, Angela White has a fucking line, you know, you can't even see it at the end. So
it still exists. But back then there were only us that went and then we were in the movies and people came and we signed it the show and there was a big line, and there wasn't there wasn't anybody else, right, there weren't any There wasn't cam girls, and they wasn't anyone creating content or anything else. So maybe we had just you know, monopolized the market. I don't know, it was there was less people. And also too,
like we've opened up as a society. So back then it's like, oh god, you're a porn star and it's like, fuck, yeah, I am, and you have to own that and get into that vibe of being okay with it. But not everybody could do that. Now it's willing
more accepted girls. I feel like there's so many girls getting in when or younger and and actually handling it well, like old souls like I coach to set and there's a lot of young girls and it's like I normally, like back in the day, I would have worried about girls and now they're like
pretty like balanced and and good with what they're doing. And I don't like I'm not concerned about them, you know, like they're like, yeah, this is what I'm doing, I'm sexually open, I'm bisexual, whatever it is, or you know, and they feel really good with their life choice. It's not like, oh God, or you show this, It's okay
for you. You're going to fund your life up and now have like a pornt of meltdown any or these girls now they're like solid and so yeah, there's just a lot more people in the industry doing a lot of different things. So it's not just this like you've got to go to this place to see the porn star, like like the DVD store or the show and it's this big deal. There's just a lot more content creators and people shooting, and it is a lot more empowering and there's a lot more money for all
the girls. But the whole horn star thing is a little more saturated. I think, um we recently spoke to someone about that. It's it's almost like the same with Hollywood too, where like you didn't know what Jack Nicholson was doing in eighty five, but now Ryan Reynolds tweets every day and everything
else. It is accessibility. I wonder how it's it's both accessibility, Yeah, I wonder it's both probably helped your folks as brand or being able to sell, but it's also and this isn't necessarily a bad thing, it's also taking some of the mystique away from you guys. Right, it's another great word. Yeah, try the accessibility and the mystique. And that's the push pull, right, It's like, yeah, it wasn't it's it's not such a big deal anymore or not saying it's like when your fans saw you in
the street, they wouldn't be like, oh my god, wow. But it's yeah, it's like it's not everybody's creating content. Everyone's on only fans. Like it's kind of level the playing field, whateveryone on an equal level, and some of the stigma's gone now. Leveling the paint playing field is great, But I wonder if some of the people who were in the industry longer feels like it kind of takes away from you know, you put in the hard work. Again, all of us are I think all four anyone
being able to create any amount of content. But do you sometimes look at these girls who have, you know, pulling one hundred grand a month or something on they're only fans, and you're just kind of like, fuck, that girl didn't put in the hard work. I put in the hard work. Do you ever feel that way? Or now all positive vibes negative monster by the way, so I feel more like motherfucker. I'm like, you
figured out the beginning of covid and your only fans and I didn't. Yeah, I wait until they shut all my businesses down and went fuck, now what do I do? The first time I attempted to do a podcast before I hooked up with my friend Shane here, Joe Rogan was on episode thirty seven, so I could have really gotten in on the ground floor of the podcasting thing. Now we're just catching up, So that's good, that's great.
I'm sights here. I also was buying bitcoin at one hundred dollars a coin and then selling it at a thousand, So I've always been early on stuff and then fucked myself before it really metabolizes, which is why I'm trying to find the next goddamn trend for the next goddamn decade. What it's gonna be. It's not piss. Stop saying it's piss. Well I don't know. Yeah, well he's just saying spiss. He likes piss. Yeah,
that sitcoin. I mean, do you have any I mean, I have someone that trades for me, and I try to watch it a little bit like I have someone that leverages for me, and I mean, I don't know. Man, it's so volatile, but it's fun, right, as long as you're not over extending, it's all fun. And that was part of the problem with the pandemic is that people were looking for fun. That was with the robin Hood trading, which I had robin Hood a couple of
years before the pandemic started. I was I just see something and I go, hey, there's a utility for that. And there is a utility for bitcoin. The problem comes in watch Shane fall asleep. Just google some piss porn chain. The problem with bitcoin is that it is the ultimate fight against the government being able to print money, and at the same time, the government does have the ability to an extent, to put a boot on its neck at any point at once. It can shut down exchanges, it can
do whatever. People will say, Yeah, but the great thing is Matt can take his computer over to Shay's house and trade a bitcoin for Fiat, like I can type it and send it over to you and everything like that, and it's like great. But if stores aren't accepting it, and if hard dealerships aren't accepting it, and you can't do this and that, then
what is the actual cash out and put it in your bank account? If even if you said I'm going to trade it on you know, whatever platform I'm going to trade it on, and then I'm going to still sell it by it do all these things, then at what point do you say, like, then what do you do with it? If you're an American citizen, you can't put in your bank right right? Again? The government has the full ability. Wow, we are we we talked about family and politics
today, folks. Um, the government, regardless of who's in office, has the full ability to put the back is politics? Oh I don't care. I was going down politics just in the sense that I like the idea of bitcoin. I just worry that if the government, whatever government, I feel like when I when people say politics and then this day and age, I'm always like, oh God, let's not fight. No no, no, no. But but this doesn't feel politic you at all. This feels
like intelligently financial. Okay, all right. I think it's always smart to have a little bit of everything because you never know what's going to absolutely absolutely am I'm a real estate person, like I've rentals and airbnbs and stuff, but I'm a little bitcoin I have enough bitcoin that like, if something happened, it wouldn't be a big deal, but if something happened positively, you could make something out of it. Yeah, and I have always have someone
with someone trading and leveraging it. But I don't have money in the stock market anymore. Sure, I'm mostly in cash, but I have a little bit of tech stuff because there are certain companies. I just Amazon is a company I look at and I go I use Amazon almost every day. Yeah, I want to see something, sure, but I do. I get what you're saying, and whether it's what the guy who trades for me says, is he's like, whether it's bitcoin or tea or that's the next thing.
The way society is now is that they want something someone can't control, right, right, which is what you kind of just said. Yeah, yeah, but they can't. Again, the fear is that they can block the means for you to be able to use it. So again, bitcoin will never go away in the sense that I can go to your house and I can send you some bitcoin and you can trade me something perhaps like piss
pornography in kind for that, but they block pegging. Pegging point, yes, you know, he would take the piss, I'll take the pay. Well, I would sell it to him for fiat currency, So that's what I would probably do. But um, you know, the fear is that now you are holding something that you can only trade with other bitcoin people.
You always want to be able to cash it out, and if the government saw it as too big of a threat, they could then put their boot on the neck of coin base or whoever else you would use to cash it out to a money that you would use. The best thing for bitcoin would be is if companies start integrating it, which is to to do with the volatility of it. If they started integrating it so you could pay for things with cryptogray. Didn't they start that, Like didn't moneygrams start doing one.
They started to when bitcoin was around sixty thousand. Now that it's sitting around thirty thousand, they're a little less because if they're not cashing, if they're actually holding any of it, you've lost half of your value, you know. And then there was like that whole thing about I know, there's that
big lawsuit. We're going way down the rabbit hole with the XLM and all that the XLM and all that stuff and them actually having like a bank because the banks at some point they were saying that they want to have a way and sort of like the wire and the old school way of doing things, like to actually fucking send money through a cryptocurrency would benefit the banks and everybody to be able to do that. It's sort of the next big technological advance
of the banking system. So what currency are they going to use? Right? XRP has a lawsuit in XLM is they were talking about it. Well, just keep your eyes open for central bank digital currency going forward. That's gonna be one. There is gonna be one though, because it's smart what
I mean, they decide it is is gonna be the one. Right, Oh boy, I am going to take you down just a two second real political rabbit hole, okay, And you do not have to state your opinion whatsoever, because I don't want to political because I'm not no no, no, no, no no. My My answer is gonna um is gonna come political. No either way, I'm not gonna give my opinion on it. But um during Okay, you're Canadian. Remember the trucker strike, the convoy
thing, COVID They didn't want to get there. I've been I've been down and I have you a citizenship. I've been here a long time. No oh no, But I just mean if it came up in the mind. I also don't watch the news. If that was big stupid. I don't watch the news because it makes me cry. No, it's okay. So what Trudeau was doing was actually uh suspending bank accounts during that time of people who didn't want to give vaccinate, didn't want to do whatever. Again,
whatever anyone's opinion is doesn't matter to me. But the idea that if you had a digital currency that was controlled by the government, and say you used your share of carbon emissions this month, so what we're gonna do is pause your ability to spend your money. Or if you were going through red lights six times and no police officer caught you, but a camera did, and the fine could just be assessed to your central bank. Digital currency that is
full government control. And that's what's a little bit scarier than something like Bitcoin or ethereum, which by the way, are the only two I would recommend because ethereum has a use and bitcoin is the band Aid or the Google of cryptocurrency. So I have right now, I'm learned to get kind of like a black cellm but only just a teenage just a mess with it. You never know what's gonna pop. You just you know, diversify that. But the idea of anyone having control of your money is to me, the opposite
of what cryptocurrency should be. So if the government, any government throughout the world, is running their own cryptocurrency, I'm not interested personally. Yeah.
Sure. So anyway, when you were who was your favorite performer to shoot with back in the early two thousands besides Keona dew York, I won't always ask me that, And it's like everyone has something to offer and depends on the day of the week, Like I mean, you know, like how do I Everyone's got different fun things, you know, I think, and I would never say who was on my no list, But it's more like, who's your no list? Those are the people I definitely don't want to
shoot with. But everybody else like, oh, it's this person that'll be cool because of X, and this person's today and that'll be wold, she's fucking wild, that'll be cool. Like I mean, I don't. I don't really had like total favorites, you know, makes sense? Is there any Is there anybody in today's industry that you have yet to shoot with that you'd be interested been shooting with? Oh? Fuck yeah. So I all the time we get told that Reagan Fox and I And this is a funny
story. So I went to AVN maybe like four years ago before COVID just to go say hi this some people and everyone's like, you looks like Reagan Fox. And that's where I had one of those moments where you were like, wait a second, I put this on. I'm like, I look
like Reagan Fox. I've never heard of Reagan Fox. I mean. And then I was like very humbled because I'd been gone for ten years and come to find out she's like pretty popular and done a lot of stuff, and and so she comes running up. It's like hi, and we met and we became very good friends. We've still not shot together to this day, but people still come up to us like directors and agents and mistakes for each
other. We constantly get people posting on Twitter pictures of each other. We don't think we look drastically alike, but everybody else's they're like, you should be sisters, which, of course right now is huge. Right, So I'm really looking forward to shooting some stuff with right again, Oh, I've got the scene. We can incorporate all of the incest taboo stuff. You are both taking your college sons to school and your sisters, and then the
sons then fuck the ants. How does that work? Yeah? Oh, there's so much really really cool, like super creepy, like because her and I are both pretty good but the step mommy talk at this point, so she's got some pretty cool script ideas and we're we're we're excited. We've been talking to a few people about it. I don't know where it's gonna go or how it's gonna work out, but that's that's what I'm really excited about. Fair enough. Yeah, so that's where the devil horns pop out.
Right, It's like, oh, that'll be creepy. What can we do with that. It's it's never It's never been my thing. But I totally understand, and you know, I get it. Especially I like when they really emphasize it's like step, it's step, just so you all know it's deep. Well, that's a legality, is it really? It's compliance? Yeah. Yeah, you gotta say step and you've got to establish age,
which you're well versed on because we've done it on this show. So imagine, imagine you forget to say step one time and then the government hits your central bank digital currency for a nice little fine. That's the problem. That's where I'm really happy that I got paid for the scene and it's not my company. There you go. Um Shane, any final questions for Shae here? Um No, she answered my favorite one. I'm glad she would piss board me. Thanks good. I pissboard this ship out of you. I
won't be piss boarded, but I will piss board you. I think that's the best answer I've ever gotten on this show. Thank you for that, chick. I think I'm a solid pisser too. Sure. Sure, drink a lot of water, I assume see. I like to eat a lot of asparagus and drink coffee, so yeah, yeah, it comes out like Ellie sometimes, so you know, oh wow, I have your doctor looking outs. That guy's a quack. Uh. Ladies and gentlemen, we had on Shay sites today. One of my favorites of all time from the Golden
age and still crushing it nowadays. Make sure you check out all of her stuff on Twitter at Shay Underscore sites, on Instagram, at Shay site's official and on only fans at Shay Underscore sites. All those links are going to be in the episode description. Um, she's been wonderful to talk today, a lot of fun. She's a great talker, which I can just imagine what the dirty talk is like because that's something I like. You know, Um, wonderful Shay. Thank you very much for coming on today. Thank
you guys so much for having me for your worst friend. I'm Matt, I'm Shane. See you next week. Thanks for listening to your worst friend Deeper