You're listening to your worst friend going. You're listening to your Worst Friend with Shane and Matt. I'm Matt and I'm doing today by my friend and co host Shane. Hi. We have a very special guest with us today. I was scared we were not going to be able to fit her in the schedule for this season, and I pushed one of the greatest publicists in the
world, Erica, like please, let's get this going. She was booked for a scene the last week when we were supposed to have her, and I was like, oh shit, can we not get her on the season? And Erica was like, I'll just fucking bother her until she agrees to do this thing, and that was really nice of her. Ladies and gentlemen, We are joined today by Miss Penny Barber. Hello, Hello Penny.
You can find Penny on Twitter and only fans. Do you have a Is this a paid monthly only fans or is it like free and then pay per view? Oh it's it's not just paid. It's for only fans. It's kind of expensive. It's like fifteen bucks. So here's what I'll say, same thing we say every episode. Go pay for your fucking porn people, go pay for it, you know, if you're we had to go do
it anyway. Twitter and only fans, same name Pampered Penny. Go check out our website taboo View dot com and her mainstream and indie projects Penny Barber Films dot com. Ladies and gentlemen, Penny Barber, thank you very much for being on with us tonight. Thank you for having me. Wonderful. So right off the bat, let's get let's do the basic questions to get them out of the way and introduce you to our audience. How did you initially get into the industry? The tale as old as time. I was
eighteen and I needed money. You need it money? Sure good? It is the wild West. You know. McDonald's wasn't hiring. Oh okay, wow lucky I'm not dead ye right, yeah yeah. Backpage and Craigslist right at the time. We're yeah, thing of the past now, but um yeah, it's it's uh we we We did speak to somebody once though, who I think did have a run in that almost ended in disaster. Was that a Craigslist story, Matt? Was that a was that a person from
Craigslist that they were going to meet? No, we can recount that story, but i'd uh as much as I pushed you to make sure you did your plug, Shane, I just skipped over him. Go ahead, Shane at the end, Well, let me just do our plugs first. It's at your Worst Friend dot com, Worst Friend Cast on all social media. Check us out, follow us on YouTube, Twitter, Instagram, all of that, Shane, Please go ahead. Yeah, yeah, you can find my wife's only fans at x X. Goddamn, that's God with a g
ah. You know it's not God like the Christian one. And then go to Twitter Kiki Underscore Filipina xo U. But yeah, the the idea like she's getting into the the adult content market. Now, you know we're in our thirties. But you said you did it at eighteen, and so Craigslist was an option and that's the one different time. Yeah, yeah, was there ways that you vari Well, I mean, okay, can I ask
who was your first shoot with? Was it or maybe your first mainstream shoot or did it take a while to get you to your first mainstream shoot? My it was it was just like GWCS And like, you know, I don't know what I was thinking you were thinking. I'm hungry and I need food and need a place to stay, right, I was, But I should have been more cautious. I would not encourage anyone to do what I did. And it was a different time, you know, like it wasn't
quite so open as it is now. You know, you still had to there's it wasn't just anyone was on the internet. I guess anyone could have been on the internet. Well there must have been most options too, huh. Sorry, there must have been far fewer options for getting this opportunity, at least on I mean, because I mean there was no only fans when you were eighteen, was there? No? I mean I was involved in some very early crowdfunding type things, you know, sort of proto only fans
was did you guys? Ever hear of my free implants dot com? Sounds awesome and I want to contribute to it. Sure, it's it's gone away forever now it's dead. But um, you know, at at like that's how I funded my breasts. You know, I don't even know if we called it crowdfunding, but it was very very early crowdfunding. You know. I got to be on Playboy TV, and I was ever so excited.
But yeah, I started shooting with companies up in San Francisco. I just didn't want to go to LA, which now I think was a big mistake. I think I should have gone to fucking La. UM. But yeah, well, why is that those because of the shoots in San Francisco were so poor? Because the ones in LA are so much better. The ones in LA are I mean both the shoots in LA are are better. The people who are really serious about their careers go to LA. You know,
why wouldn't you? Um. And so there's there's some stuff kind of still up here, but you know, ever since kink dot com kind of you know, it died and now it's kind of come back in this sort of zombie form. Um. You know, but even a lot of kink stuff isn't really up here in San Francisco anymore. That the culture has sort of died and it's it's coming back a bit, you know. I don't want
to just think that it's gone forever. But um, you know, LA is just so much more professional in my experience, it's uh, it's more beautiful, you know. I When I go down there, I'll be working with these professional photografs with like twenty years of experience who create these gorgeous images, and you take their craft very seriously. They're not just shooting like what
gets them off, They're shooting, you know, what looks good. And so I have a lot more work that I'm just prouder of, you know, sure, so well you reference kink dot com everything I've read on you. I always like to do a lot of background research. That's my excuse to my wife for watching all your videos. Um, sorry, sorry they're gross. So sorry, no, no, you got not a lot of it. Not necessarily my thing. But I make no judgments on what people
are into. Well there's some exceptions judgment, Yeah, there for sure it is and I'm going to ask you about that later. But um, you did so okay, that's interesting. Early on in the process, one of our first interviews was with somebody with kink dot com. Very famous, very popular with kink right now and I'm wondering what you meant by the zombie form. What has changed with kink dot com where it was to where it is
now. So our interview was with Charlotte. Um, Charlotte, okay, yeah, and she's one of my boy Well, I don't know what that look he's a baby. I was like from back in the day, I'm like, what is she? Well see see see that's and that's the thing that is my recollection of kink dot Com is kind of Charlotte directing scenes there now and doing this and that. What was it like back when you started? And what is different between that and the zombified version that it is now.
Charlotte was not there right for sure? I don't think she was an adult. Um, you know, we were shooting with people like Lou Rubens and Schanta Rose and Peter himself and you know, um, you know, I know Matt Williams is coming back and he has some fun ideas actually a Doormatt adore his wife d very cool people. But that's so interesting because I think of Charlotte as being so new, you know for sure for sure, Well, to be to be fair again, kink dot Com wasn't when I
was regularly going to personally. So that is my snapshot of it, having done that interview and talked to her and delved into more of these kinks and fetishes and everything like that. But um, are you just because your first for first interview with Charlotte, No, first interview of this season. Okay, right, yes, yes, uh the first No, you know, she's she's on my personal Mount Rushmore. She looks just like my wife. Um, I appreciate there are many things, and we discussed that with Charlotte.
Yeah, exactly, my wife might like you more than me, so, um, she does that. But what I'm what I'm wondering is again from Kink that you knew to Now, are you just saying people have turned over since then? Or have they turned toned themselves down or tone themselves up or they've definitely toned themselves down a lot, which is not necessarily a problem. You know. One of one of the things that so one of the stories from one of my earlier shoots there for what is it called Electro Sluits
something like that was a band I was in in high school. But yeah, it was. It was from their electricity website. I can't recall the exact name. So sure the stuff. Yeah, and you know that the shocks really really hurt, and you know, in the middle of it electricity, it's a lot of electricity. Yeah, but in the middle of shooting one of the things broke and they're like, oh, well, we're just gonna keep going, just act like it hurts. And I was like,
we could have done that the whole freaking time. Wow, oh my god, because it was really really painful, and you know, I am a masochist. I like pain to a degree. But so it was kind of like the worst parts of like, you know, of of the scene. And then you couldn't really get into subspace and sort of roticize the pain because you know, you're stopping every two minutes and you know, it's just it's
not you really doing a scene at that point. So they definitely cut tore themselves down, which in some ways I'm like, Okay, you know, it's a movie. You know, you don't need to it's a movie. Whatever, So that doesn't actually bother me. I know, they're really hardcore people are like, oh, it's all fake now, and I'm like,
it's a film, you know. If you can do things like one of the little tricks they would do to sort of tone down the cattle prod is instead of just putting all the batteries in it, they'd take like a little section of a Dowell and like wrap it and aluminum foil. I've never done this myself, but this is what I was told, and then they'd use that and put that in there, so there was like less of voltage going into you cool and so you know, I'm all for them doing stuff like
that. How has it changed in the zombie way? You know, it's it's less glamorous unt you know, they used to be at all the awards shows and you're spending all this money, and I guess they kind of realized, well, we don't have to do that. It doesn't make sales, which is true, but there is, you know, part of me that likes to be very appreciated for my work and these big you know, pageants
basically of porn are part of that. And I felt like I kind of missed out on it, and I was kind of like coming back into the scene now. And yeah, Kinks is not the same as it used to be. You know, I don't think that people would feel the same way about walking around at kink dot com sweatshirt sweatshert, you know, like I'd
rather wear a deeper sweatshirt at this point in time. I read a book on the early days of HBO, and HBO for many years was losing money by dumping so much into it, but it was always about the quey. They never base their success on subscribers as much as they did the award shows, because the subscribers will come with the high end, high quality content.
So there were a lot of times early on, and you know, around the Sopranos time and stuff like that at HBO, when it was like, hey, we could cut this and make this cheaper, and they go, well, is that going to cost us an award? Well, maybe it'll give us less of a chance. No, put the money into it, spending and and I'm not even necessarily saying it's the money issue, but it could be in a sense, you know, making that good product though.
But also I wonder in today's society if maybe they're also and maybe I'm wrong. I have no insight into this more worried about scrutiny h which which again, um, we understand this is consulting adult adults. You are a masochist. You would enjoy the things they are doing to you, you know, I mean, maybe they didn't need to hit you with all that electricity. But at the same time, it does give a good billboard for some woman somewhere to go. Look at this abusing women. Oh my god, it's
terrible. This is what the porn industry does. You know. I'm surprised it hasn't happened already just because of uh, like you say, you know, you want to appease people in advance, right, And there's already so much oversight in regular films about safety and protocol, like like, look at a movie like The Rate. It's a martial arts film, Okay, cool, So like yeah, yeah, those dudes beat the shit out of each other in that movie. And there's fighters, you know first, an actor's
kind of second. Sure, but a lot of those stunts would never have been allowed on an American set. There's physical contact happening. Um yeah, yeah, yeah, Like I didn't know that. There's definitely ways you could do them in American movies, but they wouldn't have looked as realistic as they did in that Indonesian movie. I'm almost certain that the guy who made the movie, he's either a Canadian or an American. I think he went there
to make it specifically to get around like film restrictions. So m my, my my point is, I'm shocked there hasn't been some sort of massive over site in the adult film industry too. Um, you know, like, you can't do this, you can't do that. I know that there's certain things you legally can't show, you know, or sell as adult content. But um, like you can't hit your actors on a film set. You know, like you you can't you can't. Um, you can't tell Brad
Pitt to punch Leo for real. Um. But in adult films you can do things that you couldn't do with regular films, which we're not advocating for. By the way. I don't at all, No Brad Pitt should punch anybody. Oh no, I'm okay with that. I'm saying I don't want as much regulation and born I want safety. I think that's fine, but I like safety, but you know the regulation. Hey, look, if Penny wants to get the ship beat out of her with a caning thing,
let her do it. I'm okay. There are certain there are legal concerns, like you can't consent to assaults like you just rant. Sure, Well, what is the definition of assault? Though? Oh, I know now you're sounding like a lawyer. So there are certain things that you can and can't do. It's mostly determined right now by the credit card companies, which is terrifying pervoc company, which is basically New World cash. You know,
Sure is making these determinations. It's it's kind of scary, but at the same time, I mean, I don't know how I feel about it, because I do think that you can go too far and you do have girls who will come on set and be like, oh well, I felt like I had to do it to get paid, and they're kind of right because I'm like, that's that's the shoot, you know, like, and we've all heard horror stories. Um, I don't have any yet, thank god, thank god. Well, I mean a big part of it too.
Should I mean, in avoiding the horror story, shouldn't it be like, you know that the only way to get paid is to do the shoot, but you should know exactly what you're getting into before you show up once, right, like that that should all be laid out for you. So you do and you don't. Most of the negotiation takes place like immediately before you
shoot, and it kind of depends. It kind of depends. Like I just did a shoot for Adult Time where they just really made sure They're like, are you okay with p and I was like, yeah, I'm having Yeah, you can peel over me. You know, I'll brush my teeth with it. I don't care. Yeah, sure, and then all the right things for me. And then I got there and they're like, okay, we're gonna do this the thing now. And they had the girl turn around and they handed her a you know, a douche with with water in
it, and they're like, okay, squeeze this in. And I was like, they went over it so much, and I was like, oh, I thought she was gonna pee, and she was like, well, she doesn't have to, you know, we can just do it this way. And I was like, oh, right then, you know that, Okay, I don't I didn't mind. I was like into it. You
know, I'm just a cute girl. But my my, that's always been my scrutiny about the adult industry is from doing these interviews and hearing the I mean, we've talked to some of the biggest names in this and that is I've never understood why. And maybe it's a both sides thing. Maybe it's it's sometimes the performers are unreliable and sometimes the studios are. But I've seen stories of you know, this girl getting on the plane flying somewhere you guys,
paying your your travel up front, some of you. Now again, maybe that depends on level. I assume right right, paying travel up front, getting there, booking your own hotel, told, being told you'll pay all of you know you'll be Uh what is the term I'm looking for? Reimbursed reimburse I want to say redeemed reimburse for all of that. And then scenes canceled and never mind, we don't pay a kill fee. Sometimes we do, sometimes we don't. But you're fucked. You're out of luck to
me. If I'm a girl, and trust me, I wouldn't make a pretty one my I would definitely have to BBW fantist. Thanks sweetie. Ah yeah, well not this big anyway, m My. I would want this. I would want personally, and again, you tell me if this is ridiculous, and you know, if I had a track record of always showing up, I don't cancel right, put in a contract. You're gonna cover
this, You're gonna cover this, not cover it. You're gonna buy my plane ticket, you're gonna send me my reservation for the hotel time, and I want a detailed itinerary of everything we will do on set that day. We're doing double anal, we're doing facial at the end. We're doing this that. Hey, you don't have to make grimaces. It's what I like as a pretty beautiful, big woman anyway. Um, you're pretty demanding. Man. I just want someone to cut of my house and fuck me in
the ass. Is it ridiculous to say maybe we could have a little more back and forth in terms of responsibility from the people. And this obviously falls more on the content creation aiders themselves, like the mainstream studios. Hey, this is all laid out, this is taken care of for you. If you don't show up, we'll probably not work with you again, and fuck it, we might sue you. Who knows, maybe nothing will come out
of it, but we might sue you. So make sure you show up on time, you get on the plane, you get in their hotel, and you're ready to shoot. It is it is a risk, you know, Like I produce content and I also appear in content, so you know, I mean, yeah, you never know if an actor is going to follow through. But I think that one of the ways to make sure that they are going to follow through is to have a really great working environment and to treat them well, and I do think that it creates, you know,
a sense of obligation for some people, and I don't know. On the one hand, I feel like, well, that's the cost of doing business if like one girl in fifty doesn't show up to her call time or you know, the boys too. I'm sorry, I always like default because I'm a lady, me too. Yeah, but like if someone you know doesn't show up, well, that's the cost of doing business. I've I've been out and flown out places and I don't pay for my own flights.
But I've flown out places and something happens and we can't shoot, and you know, thank God for early fans because otherwise, you know, I've wasted that day. That money's not coming back. I've got to do something, you know. I don't have a lot of the things that people who have, you know, straight jobs have. I don't have like four oh one
K matching. I have to pay for my own health insurance. You know, you don't have PTO personal time off right where you get paid for those days off right now, you're an independent contractor essentially, Yes, So yeah, it's nice if you can get people to pay for it. I've started being a little more proactive, let's say, in asking who who else is going to be on set? Like I used to just kind of get booked and I'm like, well, what about this guy? What about that guy?
What about this girl? You know, just because on the one hand, I want to work with people I like, but on the other hand, I also understand at the company that's booking me isn't going to want to book me with like the same five people over and over and over again. So it's it's seven hours the same scene at that point. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, what are you going to do? Right? How would you vet somebody knew that you'd be working with or would you not vet them or
is it a gut feeling when you meet them or you know? Um so normally, yeah, I'll look at their their social media and stuff, and you know, people talk. Sure I might have heard something. Oh god, I just had like it's not really quite a horror story, but I did just have a my god, my first scene where the guy just wasn't listening to me, and it was utterly bizarre. It never happened to be I've been doing this for like twenty years. It never happened to be before
you behind her in front of the camera for this in front. Can you imagine if you're going down on a woman and she says, can you do this instead of that? And you just said no. Wow, I didn't know I could do that. Yeah, I didn't think that was allowed. And now this is on set filming and you're the performer. Yeah I was. I was performing, and you know, I was just like, can you He kept licking my urethra and I was not loving that as much as I like a uti. Um. I was like, could you lick my
clit instead? Like it's you know, like I tried to make it all cute. You're like, oh, it's right here. I didn't try to be sexy about it, because you know, I don't want him to like lose his erection or anything. Um, And you know, I like to have my I don't know if we're allowed to say clit here, but I also just think, whatever you want. The internet's the wild West still, so go ahead. Well, I prefer to have my clitterest licked than my urethra as as you do. Yeah, yeah, you know. And what
woman's response did he just flat out say no? He said no, No, I'd rather lick your pe hole. Yeah. It was over and over again, like the whole scene. Like he was he wasn't kissing me, like, um, he kept licking my chin, which, hey, that's just weird. That's like I didn't think it was sexy. Um, And so I like held his face and like started, you know, kissing his mouth was crazy idea, Yeah, imagine that and he's just and so he's he's like, no, I really like you, so I want to do
this, and then went back to licking my chin. And I was just like okay, you know, and you know, the director kept playing you aside. He's like, are you okay? And you know I was fine. You know, yeah, you didn't feel you were in danger losing his virginity to you? Was that was that in the scene? Way? Wait? Wait? Were you not understanding the concept of the scene. He was an eighteen year old boy, he was playing in this and he just had left Mormon camp and this No, he just left camp. I wish or
or can I say this? We've told well it was it's not going to be sexy. You don't have to do that, but um, is it that? However, he was licking your your wreath robe was potentially more esthetically pleasing to camera, because I've we've heard plenty of times that that doesn't excuse the chin licking. No, that's like, yeah, jeez, that was graceful. I went through six different things that were all too offensive to say about somebody licking a chin. But let's put it. Not the smartest person
in the world, I'll just put it that way. Um, that was a thought I had. I didn't say anything. Yeah, not all the chromosomes in order, I understand. Um, but how was his dick though, Let's be honest, was it? Okay, does it matter at this point? Yeah, let's put it. I mean, yeah, exactly doesn't matter. But he ruined himself. He was he was a pretty guy, you know, like, but he ruined himself. And I was just like, Okay, you didn't seem to like female pleasure. He didn't seem to
know how to eat pussy. I mean, and you know what, let's let's say that it whatever. You know, I'm just gonna say it. No, I don't think it was more esthetically pleasing. Did you prefer to watch men licking your Rea throws the dude, I don't know where the clid is Okay. I've thought it was a myth all of my life, so I can't tell you what I think of that. But that's the wrong question
to ask a guy with a p fetish Yeah. Yeah, no, Shane, Shane has me, you know, so, UM okay, all right, Now here's the thing I'm not asking you identify the person obviously or the site obviously. Um, but have you seen the final product yet or is it not out yet? No, it's not It isn't out yet, and I will be checking for that, but I'm going to be checking the index dot com every time you put out a new scene. Is it this guy?
Is it this guy? Yeah? But what what I was trying to say about it is, you know, it wasn't a great day on set for me, right, but the director was kid being like are you okay? And two different crew members came over to me and they're like, you know, it looks kind of rough out there, like do you want to say something to the director? And you know, I could have like ended the scene, or I could have just been like, well, like my chin is getting licked a lot today, and you know, just kind of
stuck it up, get paid and go home. Because if I call the scene. No, I don't get paid, and honestly I don't really I mean I kind of get it. You know, like as as a business owner, it's very tempting to not waste the you know, ten twenty however, many thousands of dollars they spent on everything else for the shoot just because
you know, some model is being fussy about getting her chin licked. So sure, yeah, and it's it's you know, you can you can always make the same comparison the regular film, right, Like, if you're you have a bad actor on set, are you going to cancel production just because he is is the standout bad portion of the scene. It's like, if you got to get the scene done, you've got to get it done.
Everybody's here. I guess this scene is going to have one bad performance, you know, but let's try and let's try and focus on the whole. Um and and that's that, yeah, the whole That was the problem. He was focusing on the whole for the wrong hole. Oh yeah, yeah, but you know that that's was your professionalism. Um, you know that you're so yeah that your cognis isn't of you know, performers, and uh and I'm sure that that will go a long way in booking you more and
more scenes and less and less for mister chin Wetter. That's that's his name. Now, in my mind, is the goal in your mind to get to the point where you don't necessarily have to shoot for other sites. I love shooting for other sites, Actually, I love it. I love getting to talk to the dps. I love getting to talk to the photographers. I just I love getting to see all the gear and stuff that they have.
God, I was just like on set and this guy was telling me about like he started using the e L zone to set his exposure, and I was just like, well, that's so cool. I love it so much. It's the best. Now, are you a Nikon or a Cannon girl? Like Cannon? That's fine, I don't know. I like can and as well, first Cannon, So it's we're a Canon family here, folks. Um. That is a question I just came up with today, and I've never ansked this on the show. Uh do you ever suffer from
imposter syndrome? Do you know what that is? First? I do know what that is. Thank you. I'm just paid. It doesn't need you to man explain it. I was lady explaining it. That's when you explain it to a lady. He has a lady. Yeah, as a lady. Yes, I'm playing a gender in my own head. I have no idea what's going on and figuring it out still, yeah, you do him? Yeah, I get imposter syndrome. Um, no, I'm sorry. Whenever I actually it's kind of the opposite. Whenever I'm having a really rough
day. You know, I'm married, and my husband will just like, you know, get me home, be like you are Penny fucking Barber, and I'd be like, I am Penny fucking Barber. Does it right? Nice? I think that's I mean, I think that's how it should be. I think confidence, you know that hard I deserve. I wonder, and I guess we'll determine this by more of these interviews that we do.
If that separates people from full on content creators like you, who have almost like built your own business on top of the work you did, you know, if that differentiates between someone who's just strictly in front of the camera and or strictly has reached a level of celebrity. Maybe not. I don't know. I have no idea, No idea. Yeah, I mean, i'd be interested to hear or I mean, I know it's not like you're going to do a formal study, but it would be interesting to see some like
statistics here. Some people talk about things even just you know, experience. Sure, sure, you get imposter Syndra every fucking day. We had a cancelation before this another one of Erica's clients car trouble, not her fault. Oh that's a boomer. But um literally, I was at Exotico with my wife last year and I saw this same performer and I said, oh, she's too big. We'll never be able to talk to her, like, we'll never be able to get her on the show. And then I almost
had her on the show. You know, in our first season we got Sarah j you know. Oh so that's you know, and now she does a lot of podcasts, I learned later on. But at the same time, yeah, I've worked hard, I've put this together. I've been able to sure And at the same time, I finished these interviews and I go, why the fuck would anyone want to talk to me? Ever, so yeah, yeah, yeah, because somehow I wroped Erica into this. Um
no, I yes, I definitely I suffer from that. And that's okay, because imposter syndrome only really matters if you pull yourself back and bury yourself after that, as long as you keep continuing moving forward, your work will show and it'll prove itself. Um. Anyway, I don't suffer from imposter syndrome. I know you're the fucking best. It's great. All you have to do is give him nothing to do and then he'll fucking crush that. It's so good. Well, dude, y'all, you get caught up in
your whole identity. I'm a podcaster and this is what I am, and I am my work and it represents me. It's like, dude, you don't fucking exist. Your life is an illusion, and so is yourself and your consciousness and all that bullshit. Just fucking die already. Matt escalated off the rail. Yeah, that's about every episode. We're being honest. Um, that's what. Yeah, how we made our name, that's how we got Erica's attention. Yeah. Yeah, here here's another general question. No,
it is a general question, but it's porn related. Um, over the last ten years, and actually it seems like this is a fetish you are you have participated in and you're very interested in. But I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. Uh. In the last ten years or so, incest has made a big push as the fetish of the decade. Oh that's not what I thought you're gonna say. Yeahs like screen, No, Well, now I need to know what it is? Which one? What is it? I'm not If you know, great, But if you don't know,
you don't want to know. Oh no. On set, like, I always apologize to people because we'll get there and people are like, this is gross. We have to do more of this taboo stuff, and I'm like, I'm so sorry. I'm the reason I love this stuff. Oh yeah, it's cool. OA. Like I could force like every dude on earth to like call me mommy once. That would be great. I just learned how hot that is. Yeah, it's really appealing. Let's come back to
that. But I want to finish this question. What's a trend, a kink, or a fetish that you'd like to see takeover for the next decade. Maybe that's the answer. Sorry, I didn't actually realize this until you brought it up. You know, what kind of porn i'd like to see morea I really like I'm getting into it. More's it's not even it's it's okay. Like I say it, You're gonna think like the really gross like
grocery store ones, but I don't mean that. I mean like the really nice, designer, like high quality, very like soft, beautiful pantyhose. I would about them coming on pantyhose, fucking through pantyhose. I just really pantyhose. I do like to wear them. I like to see them all, you know, because I have a I like feet a lot too, and legs and like you know, like like just a you have like like yoga pants, like just like make as look perfect shapely. Yeah, so
it's like they're like yoga pants, but you can see through them. I like it, you know, and like ill just like like a foot, like a really feminine foot with like red toenails, like going into like, okay, really sheer black pantyhose like oh oh see. I was thinking of like the skin colored ones with like the padding that's in them, and I'm
like, oh, my Grandma, that's what people think. Yeah, And I'm like, no, not like those like the like the nice Woolford's or like the thirty dollars like folk pantyhose, you know, the really sexy ones secure to waste. Yeah. Now going back, Um, the mommying fetish, if we if we can touch on that for a second. Um, the wet fetish? What was that? What is it? No? I said, the mommying one. What's the wet one? The well with a wet one? Hold on my screen? Just like decided to stop being a
screen? Can you still hear me? Yep? Man, she's gone. Oh she's recording. I'm gonna pause it, Shane. Okay, all right, sorry technical glitch there. Um, we were talking about the mommying fetish, which you are a fan of. I assume I am a big fan. Yes, Now does that extend to like diaper ring and stuff like that? So okay, yes, if you could explain it, Yeah, it's okay to make fun of it as far as I'm concerned. Um, let me let me explain what I do like about it. So the the Avydale
thing, it's a couple of things. First of all, Um, you know, if you look at most of my partners, they don't really look young like. I like guys with full beards, you know, I like really busty women. And um, part of it is an embarrassment thing, like I like to see them doing something like like like that they shouldn't really
be doing. Um. For for a while, my my husband got a big bag of these like dumb dumb sucks, you know, little dumb dumb suckers, and after dinner, you know, he just like comes sit on the couch and he would just have one, and I just I couldn't stop staring at him. It was so filthy. Um. I was like, you're not allowed to eat those and just in the house just walking around. But it was a lot of fun to watch. Um. Uh. As for the thing, so, if I'm a plastic fetishist, I like rubber.
Yeah, like latex and stuff too. Um, but yeah, I like the kind of plastic casing. Um. I like peepee um. If you if you haven't done this yet, I highly suggest it. But if you get stoned and you kind of like lie back and you have your partner use like a really really soft makeup brush to just like rub baby powder into
your cock. It feels fucking amazing, and you should do it for your partner to like have her just lie down, open her up and just like take a brush you know, a little baby powder and just brush it over her clip and her labia. It feels really fucking good. Yeah. I've been doing that since I was a teenager. Oh well there you go. Um, so so it Yes, I like it. It combines a lot of separate little elements that I like. And I mean, like, I
know it's weird, and I understand if it makes people uncomfortable. You know, I don't like shove it in people's faces. Um. You know, every serious partner that I've had has started off being like, oh, that's fucking weird, that's gross, and then eventually they're like, I want to try it, and they always like it, you know. And is it just suckers though, No, it's it's the whole experience, right, isn't
that. I mean, you can play video games. I mean like it can be anything really um and like there's sort of like a gimpy It depends. It comes with a lot of different flavors, you know. So is it like anything infantalizing, anything that makes them seem young? And I don't want to say vulnerable, but like like innocent or or naive maybe or kind of like No, it's not it's not about them being innocent or naive. It's about the because I do. I'm really my husband is like a huge
guy, right, He's he's very big. He's got a gigantic beard. You know, he's muscular, he works out, um, and so just seeing him do and it can it doesn't have to be an abdl thing. Like he genuinely does not want to wear panties. He fucking hates it. Um. I've gotten him to do it, uh twice and it was pretty great because he just he looked like he didn't like it. He looked upset, and it just it made him look more masculine for some Okay, so
the frustration brings out the masculinity. Okay, Yeah, it's it's not that they seem innocent, it's that they're kind of like a little bit angry, like they don't want to be doing it, you know. Okay, like they're they're genuinely humiliated by the situation. Because then it's a power thing, you know. So I'm like, oh, yeah, I just you guess you're oh you know, um, yeah, I like to see him in bondage, you know. I like to just make him capitulate in any way
that I can really um. And I like to do that too. And when we first started, you know, dating, he just did not understand. He was like, how come you like to do things that you genuinely don't want to do? And I was like, I can't explain it. I don't know. It makes it just makes me feel like powerless, but
not like oh powerless, like not like Damsley. It makes me feel like, oh you motherfuckerre you just like it's kind of like aggressive, like really okay, yeah, because powerless and okay, yeah, it's almost like you're powerless to a situation and not not to like a like an act or a or a person. You know, it's like you're you're being vulnerable, but it's too like this thing that you're attracted to, it's like this uh um.
And also like I think you're His aggression that really hit on it for me was like you like seeing him get mad about the the humiliating thing whatever it is. So it's like that to me, it's like you're bringing out like the animal in him, you know, like the thing he can't control. This This one time I had him tied up actually he was in roe bondage, and you know, I had like a. I had cock tight up too, and I had a rope coming off of it, and I was like, you know, cheasing. I'm like, oh, you can't
fuck me, can you know you can't you're outside up. And I was like cheasing my clitterest, like masturbating with the rope basically, and he was just like so frustrated, and you know, I could do a quick release tie and so just when he was like really just like on the brink, I pulled the quick release out and he was free and he just fucked the
shit out of me and it was great, you know. So yeah, that kind of like just like oh, you know, you know of him being like you know, you know, I'm gonna wear this thing for you. It's really embarrassing. I really don't want to wear it. You know, if you tell anybody, I'll deny it. But yeah, that's I like it. It's a power thing. I wonder if it's the same reason, Like I'll put on a really awful YouTube video or a kid's video we don't have kids, and I'll make my wife just watch it, and it's
not a sexual thing. I like to watch her annoid. It's really fun, like her like what the fuck are we doing? What is this? What do I like? Not the same? But I get it. Child, we're child listen thirty years old? Why can't we put on KIU? You know what's the problem with that? You don't like watching this? Kid? Just do it? And I think it's funny. I understand that. What is the is the term? Okay? See, I thought you were more leaning towards and it sounds like there's kind of a mishmash of overlap.
Yeah, well no, no, I wouldn't say an overlap. I would say a mishmash of different things. You kind of threw out there, like, I don't see how him wanting to eat the lollipops is necessarily the way. You know, he doesn't like me looking at him weird when he does it. Okay, fair enough. I was gonna do the term baby heading I have heard before. And what's that? That is when you literally are you're the mommy and your husband there, Uh you diaper him, you um
feed well, yes, or some from your your nurse them. That's what I was going for. Um, that's a term. Well yeah, let me you know, let's let me spank him when he's out a line. Uh, baby heading. Okay, that's going too far. Uh it's an expression I've heard before. I've never heard it. Oh no, but it is it is. It is the fool this person is a baby experience. Maybe they you know, you put them in a giant crib or something like that. The diapers. Yeah, it's not my thing, you know.
Oh I'm not in the world. Oh yeah, but I oh, okay, well then I guess you answered the question. Then thank you. I don't know what the question was. The question was, do they is that part of the fetish with this baby? Not that not for her, but yes, baby heading is they pissed the diaper and the mother changes them and this and that. What a fucking mess. So when we look so pissed right now, like she likes that's kind of it. That's kind of what I'm going for, Like, yeah, you don't like that, dude?
Is that gross? So then so then if you two were in a relate, she would demand that because she knows how to get around that. Oh man, So you can't ever let her know your your weakness because she'll use it against you. Yeah. I'm happy to get her off. Yeah yeah. Yeah. And Plus people don't understand how annoying, I can be, so if you think you can annoy me into getting frustrated. Oh, we're watching Kay you all night, sweetheart, That's just what we're doing. I'm
talking to my wife here. I was like, I don't I feel like if if you were and I were alone together, one of us might die. I don't. I don't know. Yeah me, me, It's not even close, so you know. Um so yeah, okay, all right, Well I wanted to touch on your thing, but we're running out of time here. Um, Shane, we mentioned Shane's wife is a content creator. You wrote an article for XBIS magazine about advanced tips for making cinematic POV
content. I just called it tips for making POV content. They added that little advanced in there, which was a little bit of an egostroke. But I just want to be clear that I didn't call it that. Okay, fair enough, fair enough. Yeah, Well, when they give you credit, you don't necessarily have to wave it away. I mean this is these are advanced tips. Um, how important. So I'm going to assume you don't like the type of content that I like. I really like professional content
shot that kind of looks like dog shit. So what's that mean? Not actual dog shit? Um, I will tell you my favorite site going right now is I'm going to give him a little plug. Maybe I can stop paying for it. Have you ever seen glory whole swallow dot com? What is that? Okay? No, you see the way she reacted right there, just pure disgusted and confusion. Yeah, that's what does it for me? Right? No, it is just basically it's a guy going out to
a glory hole shooting it. But you can hear other videos going on in the background. It's like a guy with a high quality four K camera and a light. But then you know they may be part of the guys in and the shoot. Maybe part of the scene may not be part like maybe part of the industry may not be. It has a very real feel to it, and it is not the prettiest cinematography amateur feel. It is not the pictures an aesthetic you know, amateurs aren't it. It isn't a skill
level. It's an aesthetic. That's what I think is important. Sure, sure, I like high resolution, not necessarily the highest lighting and the best. You know, shoot something in four K let me see all the dimples. But at the same time, you know, I don't need a beautiful set and stuff like that. It seems like from your article here, do you notice I like candles for you? Yeah, I thought they were electric? No, um, so it seems like you prefer a pretty shoot,
right I do? I just okay, I Vixen is my go to. I mean, they don't do like a lot of the weird stuff that I like. But you know, yes, I like high production values. I I I When I say I'm a fetishist, I mean I am a fetishist, you know. I like things in their perfect You want to bask in it? You want to bask in it? I do. I feel like it's easy to make things pretty nowadays. So I don't know why people don't do it, but well, because sometimes so it sounds like you're more of
like a kill bill girl than a grindhouse girl. I don't like both, I can, but there's a definite the static difference between the two. No. So pulp fiction, the cinematography and pulp fiction. It's not the best, to be honest, but it works for that story. Okay. So, and as opposed to like the cinematography and Once upon a Time in Hollywood, it's really sharp and slick because it's once upon a time in Hollywood, you know, it's about filmmakers and all the stuff, whereas in pulp fiction
it's pulpy, you know. So it's not like, like I said, amateur is an aesthetic. So if there's a good reason for it, if it if the filmmaking supports the storyline, oh my god, I'm so pretentious. I'm so sorry. So then so then amateur girls at a glory hole. Hello, it's gonna seem more aesthetically pleasing to have it a little more amateur. Look, it could be, but I would still want things like a pickup shots, and I want to like see what she's thinking. And
I want like, you know, rudimentary character developments and everything. Character I like, Dick got the dude, but Marshall, I want to know what are here? Yeah, the money at the end, and it's for the star who is not part of this amateur world we're building, this world we're building. Yeah, Yeah, the girl's sucking a stick in this in this booth like shy right, exactly what is she doing? But she's not there for a check. But sometimes you might not Sometimes you might not want to
know why she's in there. DA, it might be worse than to know actually the reality why that actual person is there. But you know the story of like you're like, oh, well she like you know, she just graduated college and she's like experimenting, or like she broke up with her boyfriend she's trying to get back at him or something like that. That's a good one. I like that one. See now you're making assisted reality TV. You're doing the Kardashian show me, I'm real worlds us. No, I'm
not not even doing a sister. I'm just doing like flat out cinema. Oh my god, she's talking about making a film I want. Yeah, and I don't care if it's like looks amateurish, but I don't really I don't want reality. Reality sucks. Have you been here? Have you been to reality? But? Oh not not not in the years, No, I have it. Um, the service has gone down in quality. Yeah. Uh, we are going to wrap this up, Shane. Do you have any additional questions for so anyway? Yeah, you wrote this great article
about shooting things properly. Um, people should definitely check that out. I'll put a link to that in the episode description. Um, Shane, any final questions here for Penny. Uh now, she answered my favorite one. I'm glad she's a pee fetishist. Sure I am. Are you are too right? I can't tell if you're joking. Oh yeah, totally. I ask every person on the on the show, and I always get mixed responses.
You know, um, some people love it, some people hate it, some people are annoyed that I asked, can I tell you one more like quick little story? Of course, you can. You can anything. So there's there's one poor and guy that I really, well, I really liked. Then I fucked him off camera and I thought, oh, it's gonna oh, we're gonna you know, it's gonna get weird. And you know, he had a long day granted, so he just kind of like
you know, came over fucked me. You know. He shot twice, which was fun but is pretty much the same kind of sex we have on camera. And then after we were done, he just went into the bathroom and just pete in the toilet and I was just like, why would you do that? Oh yeah, why not on on me? Yeah? I'm right here, you know, I'm naked. What are you doing? So? Can I ask you? Is that real? Real? Quick. Is that wasted? No? Um, is that just a taboo? Is that
the same thing where it's like this is an uncommon thing. It turns me on? What turns you on about piss? Then? I like the warmth? All right, I'm not asking you, I'm asking the pretty lady on the camera here, I understand what do you like it warm? Okay? When a when a guy does it inside of you, it just feels like he's just like coming, like just like so much, and so that's kind of fun. You know, it's just like because you know, you can't
much you die. You know, we've we've all been to the drunk tank on a Friday. Yeah, I understand. Um, you have to stay over the weekend if you get arrested on a Friday generally. Um, okay, I was implying that men had sex with me in a drunk yeah anyway, Um, all right, we're gonna wrap this one. All right. Ladies and gentlemen. You can find miss Penny Barber on Twitter and only fans.
Make sure you pay for your porn at Pampered Penny and let those peas pop uh taboo view dot com and if you want to check out some of her independent stuff that she told me, I don't necessarily have to plug, but I still think you should send some clicks her way. Penny Barber films dot com. Check the episode description for all the other stuff we talked about today, and uh yeah, thank you very much for coming on with us, Penny, thank you for having me. I appreciate it. For your
worst friend, I'm Matt, I'm Shane. See you next week. Thanks for listening to your worst friend burn