You're listening to your worst friend going deeper. You're listening to your worst friend going Deeper with Shane and Matt. I'm Matt, joined today by my co host and friend Shane. Hello, Hello, thank you. We have a very special guests with us today, Miss Alison Ray. Now I'm gonna spell People get a little annoyed because I spell out the plug every single time, So I'm going to spell out her name once for you and then you plug and play, or better yet, just go in the episode description and click
all of her links because you can do that too. So it's Alison Ray A L I s O N one L and ray is r E y. I want you to go and follow her on Instagram A ray O Sunshine a r e y O Sunshine, Twitter, Alison Ray x x X only fans Alison Ray XO, TikTok, Allison Unhinged, and you can check out all of her stuff at our like main page at Alison Ray Fans dot com. Alison, thank you very much for joining us today. Hello, thank you
for having me. When I was a kid, there was a girl I went to elementary school with named Alison, and in a way she kind of looked like you, there are certain facial features and stuff. She was much less attractive than you. She always used to chew on her hair. She was that girl in class. Do you remember that kid in class that always kind of like chew on their hair and it was sopping wet and grows. Yeah, you weren't that kid, were you? No? No, that
was me. Yeah, that's gross. First question out of the way. Cool. Can you tell us how you jumped into the industry, how you got your start? Yeah? Who you started shooting with? Stuff like that? Sure, I was in the industry because I met a girl. My boyfriend and I at the time were on a swinger's website. We were trying
to find people closer to our age. Like you know, it was all very new to me, and you know, most couples that are exploring on monogamy or in their thirties forties, and I'm just like this little eighteen year old, I'm like, I want somebody close to my age. So the one couple that we found, we were getting to know them as you do, and she was telling me, like I asked her, like what do you do for a living? And she was like, I'll tell you, but don't freak out. I was like, are you a drug dealer?
Like what and she's like, well, I do porn. I was like, cool, tell me about it. And she was a student, Like I was so much better than international arms dealer, right, Like you were relieved when I heard that human trafficker. Yeah. I was like, oh, that's that's it, okay, cool whatever, and told her to tell me about it and she did, and I was like, that sounds awesome because she was a student. She goes up to LA for a week, shoots, comes home, study, uses her money for the next three weeks,
and does it once a month. And I was like, that sounds like a really great way to make a living wall I'm focused on my studies. So she helped me get an agent, went out to LA shot my first few scenes. My first scenes were with lethal hardcore ATKA girlfriends, Reality Kings, Team Ski and real girls play like I just kind of you know rich like did all of the things the first week and born. So let me ask um, is that typical of girls in the inter Are you still
good with that person or no? Because I've heard that story a million times and those stories don't generally end well. I normally ask like, are you still friends with that person? They're like, no, I burned their house down. I don't want to speak to them anymore. And you're like, oh, fuck, all right, good moving on you still well. She and I actually never even met in person. We never got there. It was just kind of like texting. And she left the industry probably six months
after that happened, and we didn't really keep in touch. So it's not that we're not good, we're just like nothing actively friends. Yeah, sure, sure, okay, nothing in common after one and a bang. It wasn't even yeah, yeah, pretty much. It was like, I think she broke up with the guy that she was with at the time, and then there was you know, no like swapping to happen, and she wasn't like I don't think she was super attracted to my boyfriend at the time.
It was just yeah, it just didn't work out. Sure, But you dove in and it seems like you grab mainstream stuff right off the bat, right Is that typical for a lot of girls that you've you've seen or I'll be honest with you, we've done work with Team ski before. I'm very appreciative of all the big name sites and everything like that, especially the exposure they give. I like the grimy, dirtier sites, the sites that are
like not disgusting. I'm not talking about like dogs and such, but the sites that are a little more like, Oh, Metallica is playing in the background. That doesn't seemed like a licensed song, but hey it's there anyway. Are yeah a little bit? Um? Is it just that you were so beautiful you were like, oh, all the major studios will just grab me right off the bat, It's okay, and then they took you on?
Or were you a good sorry, my questions go on forever. Were you like good work ethic, like you really pushed hard to grab like the biggest names. Was that always your intention or were you just like what pays
the most got it? Um? Well, I honestly I didn't. It was just kind of the side of the industry that I fell into because she was shooting for you know, a lot, Like she had an agent OC Modeling and they're just like one of the mainstream agents, and so when I met her, like she just had contacts in the mainstream industry, and then when I found an agent, like the agents in charge of getting me good work and a lot of agents, especially if they're licensed in Los Angeles,
they're gonna only book you with, you know, really repeatable websites. So it was never really my goal too. It was funny because when I got in the industry, I was very like I wanted to dip my toe in, like I was a little bit hesitant. I was like, I don't know if I really want anybody to see this, Like I want to like
try it out first. So I even't ask my agent to you know, book me with like some of the smaller sites to begin with, because I just wanted to be able to see what it was like before, you know, potentially ruining my entire life, as they tell you we do. And it was yeah, I actually never intended on making a career out of it.
But here I am eight and a half years later, and so I read that I read an interview with you where you were eighteen at the time you'd shot eight scenes or such, I think, and your stated goal in the thing was I want to get out of this by the time I'm out of college. Now are you doing like a Tommy Boy type of college thing? Are you still there nine years later or are we no? Are you getting your doctorate next week, Like, how's this working out? I graduated
a criple major in twenty sixteen. What kind of degrees do you have? Psychology, sociology, and justice? How did those things help you in this industry? I'm not saying don't. I'm actually asking that was not farcastic yet, no, no m in justice. I mean it's definitely like, um, not educated. I don't know. It's contributed to my social activism. So I volunteer for the Center for Positive Sexuality and I've been very involved when the FC or APAC is doing, you know, if they're like doing any
kind of like lobbying, like back when Prop sixty was a thing. I don't know, like twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen. I try to be very active in those in those circles. And I guess sociology kind of plays in that too, So like justice and sociology, I've definitely opened my mind from how I was raised to being more open to you know, a diverse crowd of people in this industry, and not only just like the performers and the directors and crew members, but even outside, you know, even like on
the fan side. I feel like I've gotten a lot of benefit from what I've learned about people and groups of people and how you know, groups interact with each other in othering. And it's just given me kind of a well rounded perspective on the job here. I don't feel like I've ever been naive about what it would be. Well, okay, no, at the beginning, it was definitely naive, but I hadn't graduated yet, I hadn't learned all of the things I had learned. Yeah, yeah, you weren't certified
yet. Sure, exactly does that? Does that help you at all give advice to other performers or new girls coming into the industry or do you? I guess rely more on your industry experience for that type of thing. Definitely rely more on industry experience for that type of thing. I think it's more helpful. In terms of marketing, there's been anything totally can you? Marketing is mostly psychology? Sure? Sure? Can you? Yeah? Your video froze up below? Can you hear me? Maybe? I can hear you.
I can hear you, Shane, I can hear you both cut out? Yes, there you are something? Now there you are? Hi, I'm moving my hands. Yeah, um, can you? Because we also we do a series called Yours from Brand New Faces where we talk to new girls getting into the industry, um try and give them like a step up, or also gather some of the information from the big names we've interviewed and kind of teach them. Not like we're educators anybody. Yeah, that's true,
you're not. Uh, you know. We try and tell them some of the ways that we've seen people try and scam them or get over on them. And I got to be honest, We've done some interviews where I look at the girl and there's no offense to the girl themselves, and I'm not going to name any of them for that reason, and I go, I don't think they have the mentality for this. And I won't tell them that because I'm not going to pop a bubble, but maybe someone should and
let them know. Does your sociology or psychology, any of those backgrounds. Can you look at a new girl coming into the industry and go, like, six months, that's what she's got? Yeah? Does having three degrees make you a fortune teller? It does not. It does not in fact making me a fortune teller. But I think it's hard today too, because you know, if you had asked me this question four years ago. I think I might have said, yeah, I can tell who's going to be
in and out. But now with only fans, like people can stand for a really long time, like not working for it, Like I think you do have to have a certain mental fortitude and work ethic in order to be successful in the mainstream, you know, industry shooting for studio. But now that it's you know, gotten really diluted, with a lot of only fans
creators, I just think the landscape is so different. I can't tell who's going to succeed in who's not, because you know, somebody might do really really well at home alone, while somebody else does really really great at the studios. Let me ask you a question, because I've been kicking this one around for a while. Who can make more money nowadays? A girl that looks ten out of ten or a girl that is a six out of ten but knows the social media algorithms like it's the back of her hand. I
think it's I think it's the second one. I think it's all about social media algorithms, and it depends you know, it depends on not even to social media algorithms, but how much bandwidth? Does she have to run her only fans or does she have a good enough team behind her that is making her that money? Because it's you know, it's not even neces sarily about who you know, you ask who's going to make more money? A ten out of ten or six out of ten? I'm like, well, six
out of ten. Who knows social media algorithms, probably understands marketing. She's going to make a good amount of money. However, what are the fans willing to pay her compared to a ten out of ten? And how many more people are actually seeing? You know, Like it's so complicated. I think it really depends on the girl, but yeah, you more likely. Second, you mentioned something else there too, and who's supporting her? And I get you meant the fans, but it's like it made me think of
like who's supporting the performer? As in, like, you know, you have your agent. I don't know if you have a manager separately or whatever, And I don't know how you shoot any content that you that you do on your own. But if you don't know how to use a camera, if you don't know how to edit or whatever, you're going to be lost, you know, so you've got to have either a background, or you've got to be a really quick learner, or you've got to have people to
help you build your brand. So what how did you I know that you um, you shot with what Reality Kings team skeet you said, m quite a few right at the beginning? Was it just a really good agent and and and how do you keep the momentum going now? Is it just you jack of all trades or I guess jail of all trades or do you have like a bunch of folks you know, helping you out doing your makeup and
editing your videos and stuff. Sure? Um, two part question. So at the beginning, yeah, it was just because I had a good agent who had you know that they have all the contacts for the directors and all that, and especially sites like Teams to Eat, Reality Kings Love Love like you know, brand new girls because it's such an appeal for them. So you know, it wasn't too hard to get take my wife guys, Yeah, not you, not you, nor website. Got it, got it?
Got it? Um? And then now I don't have like a bunch of people, but I do have a small staff to help me with my social media posts to help me manage my content. So there's some editing being done, uploading and tagging posts or like like tagging pornhub videos. Right, So all of the websites where you upload your clips, they want you to like write a description. You gotta tag your coworkers, you gotta you do.
There's so many buttons you have to click in order to just upload a video if you wanted to get exactly it's time consuming and I just don't have that kind of time. So I have somebody helping me with that. Um and then I also have a live in assistant, if you will, just kind of helping with like day to day task so I can kind of focus on creating content and stuff. The key is, and we've said this in other interviews before Shane a while ago, you need a simple army, is
what I think you girls need. You girls really need someone like I'll see one of our first big interviews of Sarah Ja, we interview, Wow, she's great, but you'll see, I mean, ten times a day some fan is letting her know, hey, there's a fake account of you out here, or retweeting her over here, or to push in this or whatever. And I think the most successful girls are the girls that really like hit a connection with fans where they're able to go like, hey, I need
you just as much as you like watching my stuff. So maybe not I need you, like don't fucking come in my backyard, but you know, tag me in this, push this, promote this, do whatever. And I don't know that enough of you performers do that, like use those resources as well as you can. I'm not saying you necessarily, yeah, just
in general. I mean, you guys, some of you have hundreds of thousands of people who are like, hey, these guys, you know what you're back and call push it. I think I think part of the problem with that is, well it's it's twofold. One is then you're you're crossing a boundary from fan and support or to somebody who then feels entitled to your
time, your attention. A lot of times they will abuse you, know whatever contact Like if I've DM somebody one time because they offer something like, they will then d because unless I block them, and I'm like, I'm not trying to block anybody. Unless I block them, it's highly likely that they're going to be dming me all the time. And then getting upset with
me when I don't respond. So, yes, having a symbarmy great, but it gets it's a slippery slope, you know, like because they don't realize that even though yes, we want help, we're willing to like show our appreciation and like even give you a few free bees for it, Like it does not grant you unlimited access to us. But that's what they think they're getting when you accept their help. You're not on the staff, is what. Yeah, you would need another staff member to deal with them.
Yeah exactly. Yeah, yeah, yeah, well I just mean the guys doing this or the people doing this you're not on the staff. Don't think you're being on the staff. I wonder if dominatrixes can get away with that a little bit of easy. Oh I think they can. I think they absolutely can. Yeah yeah, yeah, I have really been like I don't want to like get more into dom work just so I can have like a stack and able to yah. Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna. Yeah.
So you mentioned some of your activism right now, what is apack? Who's Who's the president of a pack? I feel like it's somebody we've talked to Biden. No, I don't think. I don't know at this moment. I know they just I feel like they just turned over. It spent of minutes since I've done any things for a pack, Okay, I've been Sure. Tell me about your activism, though, tell me about what you're interested in, what you're pushing, what you really want to get through with that
kind of activism. Sure, I'm really passionate about the humanization of sex workers, so I do that just with my brand in general, but also specifically with the Center for Positive Sexuality. So they it's the Center for Positive Sexuality Los Angeles, and we do all sorts of things. There's a research guess a division of our organization, and I am part of the education division,
so I volunteer. And what we do is various colleges, mostly around California that we have had, like a few other colleges hire us at the center. What they'll do is they will book a panel when we have I want to say, like seven different categories of panels, and let's say it's a sex work panel, and there's a few different panels I like am part of because I identify that way. But for sex worker panel, you know, they'll they'll ask us who's available, and then we'll go and we'll talk to
a class, we'll give our presentation on like what sex work is. And the primary goal of the center is to humanize the people involved in these various aspects because it's so often sensationalized, like in the media and just you know, in society in general, that we're just trying to like put faces to these ideas so people can see like, yeah, we are normal people that just you know, like something a little bit different, and yeah, so
that's you know, my focus right now is because they're all like college classes that are like human sexuality, so they are people that are already kind of open minded to that, and then getting to talk to them directly so we have our presentations and they can ask questions, which is like the most valuable part of it because then they can really see us, like you know, it's not just giving like a robotic, you know, lecture, it's they
get to kind of connect with us as humans. And I think that more than anything like that, like you were talking about the individual connection that we can utilize, I think beyond just fans, that that's how we break through the stigma of society is actually connecting with more humans as much as possible. Well, she has it in her bio. I don't know. You know it's Anna Fox right now. Has a violence there you go. Yeah, we've interview before. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's great to me and
she uh, she pushes it. Now let me play devil's advocate. Let's let's have a little discussion here about this, right, and you'll be able to assess this with your psychology degree, because I just have a film degree, which means I get to be a podcast that's about it, um and I can edit this real nice afterwards. Don't worry about it. Um. So part of it is the the when we talk about the humanization of sex workers and stuff like that, are we talking about legally? Are we talking
about in the eyes of people? Are we talking what do we want to do? Um? Hoping in all aspects, but the main concern just just legally, we're just still going to look at them like pieces of fucking garbage.
What are you talking? Okay, So I'm saying, I'm saying, like, why go ahead, I'm I'm making I'm making like a cynical point about no, you said it was like you said it with like no tone though, so it almost sounded like you were just like, oh, yeah, well that was yeah, that was the point is so it sounded harsh and an abrasive. But anyway, so you know, like the the idea
is like why why wouldn't they be humanized in every conceivable way? You know, like if she tells me they're not trying to get them humanized in every way, then we're going to have a problem. I agree, it was a stupid question. My point was more that I'm a big sports fan and I watch players get hounded for the things they do and and stuff like that, and I wonder if there's a part of the psychology where viewers of porn
dehumanize sexual person stuff like that. Absolutely, but but is there an aspect of it that not that you agree with, not that you think is good by any stretch, but you kind of can you understand why they do that? To another one hundred one hundred percent? No, I completely understand it. Um. I think the problem actually, like, I think the reason people do it is because of the shame that we have been taught to have around our sexuality in our society, because it's like a largely like even though
like we're a little bit. You know, we're moving past, Like Yeah, even though we're moving past like Christian America, like, it's still very like there's still a lot of soul norms that are still very much based in
Christian values. And I think in order for people to enjoy their sexuality and masturbate to porn, there needs to be a certain level of objectification of the person, because if they were to accept that it was like a real person, it would make them feel bad about what they're doing and watching, because they would see themselves as a bad person for watching this other person in such
an intimate way. But because we can't like openly express our desires and our just spexual interests, we have to separate ourselves from that experience, or most people do, in order to actually enjoy it. So is the path to humanizing sex performers and sex workers is the first step? Or is the last step? Or any step? Is Is that on the viewers part to recognize and deal with that shame that they are projecting onto the performer. I think
it's very much a chicken and egg kind of question. I don't know if it's the first step or the last step, but it's it's in there. I think it's it's a both and we. I think in humanizing performers, like, for instance, on my TikTok, I my original TikTok anyway Virol and TikTok, and I had a lot of people telling me like, thank you so much for showing you and you know, because it largely became like a very personal TikTok page. It wasn't just there to promote my porn.
It was just like, Hi, this is me, and people are like, oh wow, like I you know, I'd never really seen you know, the person behind the porn performer, and this was like really interesting. And then when I would answer their questions about the industry, a lot of them are like, wow, like this makes me feel a lot better about watching porn like this, you know, it's nice to see this side,
to know that what I'm consuming, you know, is consensual. So I think in humanizing performers on TikTok, like people actually got more comfortable with their sexuality and if they're working through their shame, I think it's a lot easier to humanize performers. So like, yeah, I think it's depend on a person. It's like, what is the thing a feedback. Yeah, yeah,
totally, that's awesome. So then do you have to walk just a razor's edge though, in terms of humanizing yourself while also keeping certain people at bay, I mean certain fans at bay. Like again, we talked about that barrier that you don't want to cross, right, you don't want to you don't want you know, some guy on Twitter to go a house and ray it's my girlfriend and you go, okay, well that's fucking crazy.
She's not. But okay, how do you humanize yourself to that? While also saying I am a celebrity though, so you know, don't come in my backyard again, don't swift me. You're not allowed in my neighborhood. Thank you. Right, I've been fortunate enough that I haven't had that experience
with my fans. And that is the other thing is I don't really posture myself as a celebrity, Like that's the whole thing is like I am a human being and this is my job, and well I do enjoy my job, Like I don't think I'm you know, more special than anybody else, just because this is what I do for a living. And I think because of that, and then I'm open about that. I think it actually like
desensationalizes me so that people aren't trying to cross those boundaries. But I think there is something really appealing about having something that we can't have, And so maybe I hurt my career in certain ways because I'm probably like ostracizing myself from certain fans who like love the idea of like I can't even have her, yeah, the fantasy, and like I can't have her, so like I'll you know, I'll pay whatever to like get like a piece of her.
But that's just never been like I've never been comfortable with that, Like it doesn't like I enjoy making people feel good because like that's who I am, and like, yes, of course, like a little bit of notoriety,
like the attention wonderful. But I'm not comfortable having such a big divide between me and my fans because I do think sex and just pleasure are such intimate experiences that I, like, I actually do enjoy having those with people, and I would much rather have a small set of devoted fans who really value the depth of myself that I give to them than a bunch of fans who
only know me and appreciate me superficially. Sure. Sure. Can I ask you, Shane, We've done this in the past, we haven't done this recently, but could you rank from me in order why you're in porn? Oh? No, not that other one chain. Maybe we'll get to that too. Can you rank for me in order why you're importn money, the sex, the fame. Oh. I feel like I need to answer from when I got in too now, because like it is evolved. A lot of people say that, yeah, really really okay, Um, I think
when I first got into porn, it was the money. Hell yeah, and then the sex and then the fame. Okay, Now I got to really think about this. I think now, Oh, I think it's now the money, the fame, the sex. Okay, Okay, see that in a way it seems natural. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not calling you out. I'm not saying whatever. Doesn't that in a little bit of a way contradict what you said a second ago in terms of the same being second
there, Like the money is always this is your job. You want this to be your job, you know, would you take an office job for the same amount of money you make? Wow? No, but that's not because of the sex or the fame. Oh yeah, the social No, no, it's I don't believe. I mean, so you can spread your message, go ahead. Sorry. I also that's okay, that's okay. Um, it's literally like I wouldn't take an office job if it was for the same amount of money because I never want to work for anybody else again
in my life. Oh yeah, fair enough. Yeah, yeah, I like. I like the power and autonomy that I have over my schedule. Um, yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't want to have to listen to anybody else ever. Okay, fair enough. I feel like it makes sense that aggression. I feel like, no matter why you get in it, I feel like eventually, if you're still in the industry money, it makes sense for that to be your number one because like, now, this is your career, right, Like, so why does anybody you know?
Yeah, I think we're those last two place really tells you more about somebody who stayed in a while. And the fame I was. I was thinking the same thing as you, Matt, Like you know, involved with APAC trying to spread social justice humanized sex workers. You kind of need a little bit of fame if you're going to do any of that. Meaningfully you know, sure, I mean, we can't see you at a conference somewhere.
If they're like, oh, here's Alison Ray she is forty two followers on Twitter, it's like, oh, all right, well, yeah what she says might make sense. But at the same time, like you know who is yeah right rus so that the fame comes along with it. But then again, there are other performers who the fame is, you know, one of the most important things, getting your name across everything and spread in because then with that the money comes along as well. So I totally get
that there's no real wrong answer to any of that. Yeah, yeah, no, it's just kind of a philosophy. And then I think also, like really the only reason, like I was literally aoud to be like you know what, no, actually, it's the thing because like I really had
to think for again whether it was sex or the fame. And the reason that sex and fame switch places are because when I got in I was eighteen, I still didn't know what I liked and there were just all these hot people that I wanted to have sex with that like I didn't have to like be awkward and like hit on people for I didn't need to use tender like they were just supplied to me. Sure. Um. Now, having been in the industry for eight years, I know that most of the mainstream sex
that has had is not that pleasurable. It looks great on camera and it's fun to watch, but it's not. It's not pleasurable like X at home. So like it's now sex is down on my list. Like yes, I still love having sex with the very hot people, and I do have a lot of fun doing it, but it's not nearly as pleasurable as I expected it to be when I got in the industry. Makes sense? Makes sense? Let me let me run one of the old classic question, Shane,
and then you can bounce back. What are okay? Sarah? Jay Again, one of the first people we interviewed has been offered X amount of thousands, thousands of dollars more than I could even say no too, to do an anal scene. She never has okay, it's her not her preference. She doesn't want to do it, you know, five digits across the board she's been offered, not gonna do it. What is something you would not take an amount of money? Oh? I guess what did we used
to call it? Shane Sack. Okay, oh yeah. When we first started doing interviews, we would ask this question and inevitably the girls would say one of Sack, it was sit animals or kids, and we would point out, hey, we knew that was out. We're not you know, like one of the first interviews, that girl goes, well like, I wouldn't fuck a dog, and I was like, well, we didn't think you would, and I wouldn't say it on a platform like this, So
Sack is out. We understand that, we're well aware of that. What is something that, regardless of the amount of money, you're like, I'm not going to shoot that kind of scene. Is there anything there may not be? And then I have an inverse question to that after yeah, um ooh, I maybe like like, triple vadge. I don't even want to try that, Okay, yeah, okay. At some point, and we talked about this with another girl as well. I sorry, sorry to always
harken back to other interviews, but it's a triple vadge. The guy in the middle was having sex with two guys, right, they're in a triangle. They're all having sex. No, yeah, They're like, She's like, okay, they're like holding her up and they're just like three dudes. Okay, so I'm thinking of it like this, right, and well what you're saying, so it's not one, two three you're saying, it's it's going in like that because if it was three stacked one, you would have
an enormously tall vagina. Second, the guy in the middle is getting his friction by rubbing on two other dudes. Yeah, yeah, but no, this is not that that. I don't think that's possible. I've been five years. I think I've ever seen Yeah, I think that's more for double. I feel like maybe holding triple of bags, but like triple that's real. Yeah, okay, all right, okay, all right, so that's out. You just worry that's gonna that's gonna send you home with an air
ice pack for a week. Right, I could even do it. No double, I've ever done double. I have in my personal life. Not for video, but sure you saving that for video or is that something now? Was necessarily I would? It was just like, I mean it's hard to shoot, and it was like it's yeah, like I would, but it's not like on my priorities list. And also like you know, it's for such a short amount of time. Sure, And I couldn't do it for a studio because like I couldn't do it sober like, because I can't
relax enough to like let it happen. So like, you can't shoot that for a studio. Okay, okay, all right, fair enough. Now the inverse of that question is you have your rate, say it's whatever number, and either this type of scene comes along, this type of studio comes along, whatever it is something you just go wow, I am a fan of that, and they offer you twenty percent less than your normal rate.
That's what the normal pay is. Is there any type of scene or any type of studio or any person you would want to work with that you would take a discount from your normal rate to work with? Oh oh, that's such a complicated question because the first thing that came to mind was anything for Vixen Media Group, because I think their stuff is so beautiful. It's just you know, it's just it looks like high fashion. It's very cool,
luxury corn. However, because I know how much money they make, I would be offended if they wanted a discount from my rate because my rates to have, like I've always kept them kind of like the thing like I've never you know, been like, well, I've been in for X amount of years. I deserve more. I'm like, I do genuinely like my job, and I also know, like just you know, supply demand your worth.
I know my worth, and also I know that I'm you know, not a Sarah Jay and I'm not gonna get you know, like huge rates. So if they wanted to discount off of my rate, which is like a very very normal, reasonable rate, I would be offended. Sum is there? It was, Yeah, how about a type? Do you have a type of scene that you would like a genre or something where you're like, wow, I've never really explored that before. And again again we're not
talking Walmart rates. I'm saying we're taking you down. I think it would be more likely that I would do it because of a person I get to work with and the person well, so it would be the person I get to work with, or if it was for let's say a friend's website, I think, is you who? I would you do that for? Um? Because I think about like I was thinking, I don't know, maybe a scene for king dot Com? I like, no, fuck that, Like I want my full rate yeah, and yeah, I think it would
be like if it was somebody I really really wanted to work with. But thinking about it, like I can't think of a single person that I haven't worked with that I want to work with that badly. Like, and it's not even that it's a lot of money. It's just like nobody comes to mind, have you worked with Manuel Ferrara? I have not, Okay, so no, he okay, I want it's life changing. Yeah that's all I hear. And there's that great grilly girl. Oh yeah, there's some
great clip of the girl. After they cut, she like starts crying. She's like that shaking, credible thank you, blah blah blah. The best best marketing he's ever had, by the way, I mean, just insane marketing to see some girl like break into two. Most of the time after I'm done, my chick cries too, but it's just because you're so disappointed, like hurt, but just hurt by the fat crying staring at your sweating
mass. Yeah yeah, yeah, dude, Manuel Ferreira is like the one dude I would never let my wife be around because it's like she's gonna get me gone. You know, yours too, Um, he's a snatch him. Yeah, I've been. I've hung out around Manuel. He was very attractive. I would, yeah, I would take part of it account for Manuel. It's just not like I don't know, it's been so long since I think at this point, I'm just like, I don't know. I want to like have sex with people who want to have sex with me.
Like he's never hit me up. I'm like me fair enough, and then everybody else that like I have that I do want to funk, Like we've probably done it for content if it wasn't for a studio. So I'm like, I've already done it. A studio is gonna pay me my full rate. I read in another interview of yours that you started watching porn very young.
I believe, Um, did you have I'm waiting for the girl who is like around our age and starts naming all female performers that I loved, and I'd be like, yes, yes, So like I have a wife with together a long time, I had a long term girlfriend before that. I've never been without getting laid, and yet I still love collecting porn, watching porn. Knowing all about the ins and outs of porn, I don't know why. Maybe it's a mental illness of mine, but I really enjoy
it. Did you have when you were younger? Okay, let's keep it legal, but not legal. I just don't want to get pulled off at X videos for this. Did you have favorite performers or what kind of searches would you go through? And did it happen like all of a sudden, Like did you just type in like boobs or something like that and it stop? Or like how does it work? I mean, like, how did I start watching point? Yeah? How did you get into it? Was
that a friend's house? Was it go ahead? I'm pretty s I was literally like I just remember being in the cafeteria and my friend saying like, you have to look at this website. And I went home that day and I looked at the website that was you know, so it was by myself and I was checking it out. Um. Also, I may have seen some girls gone wild commercials at like two am. Yeah. Um, I'm not sure which came first. It's a gateway drug, yeah, yeah, very much so, So that was how I got into that. My favorite
performers were Cytheria Yep. I loved watching her squirt squirting. Yep, there you go. Fay Reagan, I cannot She's so hot. I saw her in your Little Marquee and I was like, it's Faye Reagan. These are all my favorites. By the way, yeah, these are all pick no one can see them. Mix up you because I'm hoping one of you girls one day will be like, oh I've worked with her before. Faye Reagan. I love puffy red nipples. Not a huge fan, but they were.
I mean, she's phenomenal. Go ahead continue if you have anyone else. Um. And then James Dean, I always really liked, you know, all the cake stuff. I loved the upper floor, UM a lot of Oh. I loved watching Fucked Hard eighteen, but like massages in the Blue Room. I actually got to go to his house. I never worked
for him, but like it was like two months in the industry. I shot with his friend and then after the scene we were like hanging out and then the owner like invited us over and I got to see the room and I was like, oh my gosh, this is so cool. So we could take this out if you want me to. I'm not going to call anyone out by name, but that kind of brings to mind some things, and there's been a lot of stuff on Twitter lately. How do you work
I don't know how to phrase this cancelations in your industry? Right? Is it just a let it sit and see if it clears up? Is it You'll never work with a bad person ever again, no matter how much good they do going forward? Is there you know? I don't I'm not saying any names or anything like that. I just I think you know exactly what I'm yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. How does that work in your own personal mindset? Because here was here was the weird thing of a bunch of
cancelations. I saw this last few weeks and seemed to happen every few months. It's almost like, um, girls will get mad that other girls aren't backing them per se. Right, Like girl A has a bad shoot with Guy A. Now Guy A may have had a great shoot with Girl B, no issues whatsoever. But girl A is expecting Girl B to really like stand up for her and be like, no, I'll never work with this guy again. How do you approach that? And how do you see that
type of stuff in your industry? Like you approach cronyism? Sure, yeah, or or click mentality or because obviously, yes, um, you know, get the scumbags out, have to have to get the scumbags out. But what one person, well, one person may interpret as being a scumbag. He rushed me and was screaming at me. That girl might have showed up forty five minutes late for a shoot, no makeup or anything like that.
Is it just sussing out the details and making your own opinions on things, or is it what like, how would you approach that if somebody you enjoyed working with was all of a sudden on the chopping block. Yeah, I mean that I have had that experience. I think there's five sides to every story. And you know, cancel culture is great in some respects because it does like put some fear into people to not behave, you know,
in some toxic ways. So I think that's helpful. Personally, I do believe like people, like obviously like people make mistakes, and people are human beings, and there can be a lot of miscommunication and misunderstandings between people, and I try to go like I go off of my personal experience or if the evidence is so blatantly like if they yeah, yeah, if it's overwhelming. Then I'm like, yeah, I just don't want to take my chances.
But if somebody had already worked with before, who I had a good experience with, who I felt safe around, Um, I'm not going to assume that this one person. It's not that I don't believe that she had a bad experience, sure, but her you know, like sometimes like feelings aren't facts, right, and a lot of times like feelings get mixed up into these accusations, and I just like to try to be cheerful of that.
Totally. Yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, and again I always feel bad for the girl, the second girl in that equation who's being told, like why aren't you standing up? I was watching girls fighting over the last few weeks saying this is good, this one. I say, you know, you got to show the proof, show the evidence and just kind of, you know, get the scumbags out there are obviously scumbags. There's scumbags in every industry, Guys making your hogies, that fucking stink and their
jerk offs. Okay, get them out of there too, Like that's how it is. But I don't know, Shane, do you have a go to question? And then any other questions you might well know. I just think with cancel culture, it's it's it's useful like Christianity is useful, right, kind of like how you mentioned before. I mean it's like if somebody who would be doing something really awful is not going to do it because they feel like God is watching them, is going to punish them or judge them
for it, then who's to say it's wrong? You know? Um, same for cancel culture. I mean, all opinions aside. It's like it serves the same role at least where if you if you would have gone out of your way to be a fucking prick, but now you're not going to because you're afraid people are going to report you to your job and get you fired, well then maybe it's not such a bad thing. You see it as a cross. I see it as like a big gun, and it can be at the right person, the guy that deserves to get the gun
pointed at them. But then sometimes it can just start spraying off everywhere, and then you got to watch out for that one. Sometimes Dick Cheney's behind the trigger, Yeah exactly. I don't know. That guy probably deserved it. I don't know enough about it his friend. Yeah, he deserved it, Shane. Your question, Oh, I mean I could have. I guess I could have just done a little more research on my own before this, but I yeah, I'll just I'll just ask it. I mean,
how do you like piss? I love that. That was a great you know, no no transition, just straight to it. I like it. He did not go to film school actually, which is shocking because you would think he has that radio idea behind him. Like, let's segue into this, so a piss Alison Ray, Um, I have filmed a couple of things, like you know, literally just like me pissing in the woods and then I'm pretty sure like my ex, like you know, he pissed on my face for a video. I don't want to drink it, not into
it. Yeah yeah, I will not even like drink it, Like I don't want it into my mouth, like sometimes it's like a and then it's just like dripping kind you know, but like I'm not into that. Um. I I've we've we've done some other piss play, Like there's one I think her I think it's else a gene Uh. I like really talked a lot about like she liked it. When guys like piss inside her. So like, I've tried that with my ex. I was it was an interesting
experience. I don't know if I would do it again, but it was an experience. UM have pissed on other people. That's fun. I like how powerful it feel? Okay, cool? Yeah see that, And that's the dynamic I like. I like the power dynamic where it's like the woman's pissing all over the guy and it's like, you know you're dirty, so here take my waste, you know? Great? Yeah? Um, Alison ray Uh, we're gonna wrap up with Alison ray here. Alison ray a l I s O n r E y on Instagram, A ray O Sunshine
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thank you very much for joining us today. Yeah, of course, thank you so much for having me who I was talking to you guys you as well. It was awesome. If your worst friend, I'm Met I'm Shane, see you next week. Thanks for listening to your worst friend going deeper.